Ok, well thanks for the tips I'll give them a try! Might just be my slow old man fingers lol
#protection
fallow fern
warm plinth
That's a wild bug lol.
umbral atlas
i did some testing last night and found that either removing all profession gear or removing all items that use the same slots as profession gear (so head, chest and hands for me as an alchemist/engineer) will prevent 3 from happening, it will do nothing to stop 1, 2, 4 and 5 though
right now my character is completely bricked, i tried to do a skyreach earlier and it dropped stance 8 times during the run, losing my buffs each time
become unhealable
warm plinth
Did you ever have it occur when you weren't wearing armor? I think you said last night that it wasn't happening when naked right?
umbral atlas
yes, i narrowed it down, what was happening there was that part 3 of the bug wasn't happening because i wasn't wearing armor that took the same slots as my profession gear
warm plinth
So the other parts were still happening even with no armor (1, 2, 4, and 5)?
umbral atlas
yep
spare estuary
with shields high ilvl the go to ?
umbral atlas
i've been tanking today on a 2nd prot warrior with identical spec to my main and he does not have the bug
warm plinth
My next thought was gonna be Haranir thing; guess not XD
tall lance
Hello guys, since this morning in keys I appear unfriendly to my teamate sometime and then it come back to normal and so one.
Do you know what cause this ?
Because I have to run the key by healing myself, my healer can't heal me :/
umbral atlas
❤️
tall lance
and it's really annoying
tall lance
checking
warm plinth
Hmm, are you in war mode on either character @umbral atlas
umbral atlas
nope
happens in keys, follower dungeons, even target dummies
i had it happen one time in the middle of stormwind out of combat too, i was flying from the mage tower to trade district with steadyflying and it switched me to skyriding and equipped my alchemy gear in mid-flight and i just dropped out of the sky
warm plinth
rofl
umbral atlas
ikr
tall lance
ok, I have exactly the same symptoms
umbral atlas
character is bricked
round pendant
brilliant
warm plinth
That's one of the craziest bugs I've heard of in my almost 20 years of playing
umbral atlas
anecdotally i have a suspicion that it's something to do with shield charge, possibly related to the tier set bonuses and revenge
that's what seems to cause it the most
might just be random though
warm plinth
Yeah, though if that were the case, it wouldn't be affecting other tanks/non-tanks
round pendant
You just said it happened while flying, no?
umbral atlas
and it happens on at least death knight, paladin and demon hunter tanks too so probably a different cause for each
tall lance
My stance dropped and be reactivated 4 times during my last dungeon and my character switche to unamicable for ma team 6 times
in +11
kekw
round pendant
Maybe have a look in a log to see if there's any weird casts or something when it happens
warm plinth
Does re-enabling your stance make you friendly again? Or is it just time passing?
umbral atlas
You just said it happened while flying, no?
yep, it's been happening countless times over the last few days in all situations, it feels like shield charge causes it to happen most often though
tall lance
Once I have switch the stance and I became friendly again but another time it didn't worked, so I put aside this cause
round pendant
Curious what a log would look like
warm plinth
One was posted last night; you couldn't really see anything though from what Nimchip said. It just shows the stance dropping
I didn't look at it myself
umbral atlas
here is a clip of it happening in a follower dungeon, you can see just as that mire laborer dies i drop stances, lose mark of the wild and arcane intellect and equip a fishing rod (this is with all addons disabled)
umbral atlas
combat log
polar cradle
So if we dont stance dance we should be good?
warm plinth
Has nothing to do with stance dancing
tall lance
no stance dance is done
umbral atlas
nope it's nothing to do with stance dancing
tall lance
it's just fade
warm plinth
The game is dropping the stance seemingly randomly
And making you unfriendly to your group, so you can't be healed and all their buffs drop off you
tall lance
we don't touch any of our stance and it fade randomly
polar cradle
Oh thats fucked
tall lance
And making you unfriendly to your group, so you can't be healed and all their bu...
this
warm plinth
Yep. Actually insane
umbral atlas
note that it doesn't dance you into the other stance, it actually drops you into no-stance
warm plinth
Do both of your warriors have tier Nikolai?
toxic pewter
u disabled all ur addons right
round pendant
yep this smells like a bug
warm plinth
I wonder if it's some kind of bug that got copy/pasted between tier sets
No but you said it was happening even naked
nvm
umbral atlas
yep
warm plinth
Hopefully Blizzard can figure it out because that's a serious bug
spare estuary
gunna sound dumb af here, are there shield enchants
warm plinth
People's characters are literally unplayable
toxic pewter
have u tried reinstalling/repairing the game
umbral atlas
absolutely bricked my character
umbral atlas
haven't tried re-installing no
toxic pewter
could be worth trying that i know its a pain
warm plinth
gunna sound dumb af here, are there shield enchants
Not in retail, no
jagged pier
nah it will be a bliz thing not a reinsatall angle
warm plinth
Yeah, especially if it's only happening on some characters
round pendant
what if there's some keybind that got default bound to stance buttons
and people are just pressing it
warm plinth
Yeah but Nikolai said it's happening on one of his warriors but not his other warrior
It's making people unfriendly to their group. No keybind does that.
toxic pewter
did u do a racechange recently
round pendant
That's what they want you to think
toxic pewter
or server transfer
stone tundra
Some toys might, but who the hell would do that
polar cradle
Maybe an old macro doing weird stuff on rotation
jagged pier
I mean hasnt happened to me at all
stuff like this hasnt happened to me, one of my chars cant do delves, i just wont let me change beleera give he any curios/ says one of them needs unlocking
umbral atlas
i've actually got about 10 prot warriors and as far as i can tell it's only happening on main (although i haven't bothered to extensively test all of them)
jagged pier
but only on 1 char its very strange
outer willow
i've actually got about 10 prot warriors and as far as i can tell it's only happ...
This is so weird
warm plinth
It was tested last night with zero macros; the guy literally deleted all his macros to test and make sure it wasn't a macro.
round pendant
Why do you have 10 prot warriors?
outer willow
Why do you have 10 prot warriors?
You don’t?
umbral atlas
i just think they're neat
round pendant
Sorry
jagged pier
ppl like to make a lot of somthing to win the rng lottery
round pendant
Why do you ONLY have 10 prot warriors?
toxic pewter
stuff like this hasnt happened to me, one of my chars cant do delves, i just won...
that not good
tall lance
@umbral atlas are you gnome on your warrior who have the issue ?
outer willow
Why do you ONLY have 10 prot warriors?
❗️
toxic pewter
yeah i cant deny wow is prob buggiest it ever been
tall lance
because I am
jagged pier
that not good
ah its okay its just an alt
umbral atlas
human on the one with the issue
jagged pier
surely it will get fixed
tall lance
ok
jagged pier
tall lance
so not race related
toxic pewter
hmmmmm
try repairing your game just to see what happens can even delete that certain folder i forget the name of it so it can rebuild
polar cradle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ftTMX87JyH3ZzGPD?fight=2&type=auras
The guy from the report is alliance too
round pendant
To me, it looks like people are getting reset to the just-logged-in state
warm plinth
Well, you are in def stance when you just log in
warm plinth
And you're not unfriendly to anyone :p
round pendant
okay it's a pre-just-logged-in state
warm plinth
XD
warm plinth
You're not even part of the matrix yet
jagged pier
Well, you are in def stance when you just log in
nah in like week one of the season i was doing keys an noticed i was in bstance
i dont even have a button to change stances
fathom basin
try repairing your game just to see what happens can even delete that certain fo...
I reinstalled whole game today deleted all addons, i put bliz ui on default removed all bindings etc. It didnt fix it so dont bother
round pendant
I wonder, do you appear unfriendly to both factions outside of instances?
warm plinth
Yeah that's super weird Jakey; I unbound mine too and was always in def stance
so idk
round pendant
The default stance shit has been fucky since they changed it
warm plinth
Maybe accidentally hit the special action button for it
fathom basin
Btw it removes ww buff and bladestorm wont work neither on fury atm
warm plinth
It's like ctrl-F1 or something by default though so it would be weird to randomly somehow press that
round pendant
in that log
umbral atlas
me, hostile to the group in a 10 the other night
round pendant
he lost
- def stance
- spell reflect
- violent outburst (spent?)
- best served cold (idk what that is)
at the same time
warm plinth
Best served cold is the buff that makes revenge increase your next TC
Or the buff that makes the free revenge do more damage, whichever one. It's from the talent
stone tundra
Everything sounds like those pseudo mind controls from spirit kings or similar bosses
warm plinth
fallow fern
One other question, how are you guys tracking rage? Are there any good add-ons? On my UI the portrait with my rage bar is very small and not that useful when lots of shit is going on...
round pendant
nvm they weren't all at the exact same time
ye idk just report it
it won't get fixed like 90% of the other bugs
gl
warm plinth
the talent, yes. It wasn't always exactly this effect. Iirc it used to increase revenge damage based on targets hit or something like that
round pendant
yeah I remember now
drowsy comet
TW dungeons finally feeling good and not overtuned like the bullshit we had in prepatch
round pendant
get back to m+ lil gup
drowsy comet
get back to m+ lil gup
round pendant
and he calls the puggers toxic
solid sun
Last boss of caverns
Does the group take less damage during the gauntlet if the big dudes casting get interrupted?
tribal wharf
new pug destroyer
umbral atlas
they get a damage buff
tribal wharf
final boss caverns
umbral atlas
stacks for each that gets interrupted
solid sun
Good to know
tribal wharf
we quit to final boss
umbral atlas
i think the proper way to do the gauntlet is for everyone to run and gather at the top but not enter the room, tank lags behind at the bottom and everyone enters at the same time when tank interrupts the 6th and final add
don't quote me on that though
solid sun
I’ve been using the silence from javelineer to interrupt one
toxic pewter
yah i do that too
stone tundra
Yes
umbral atlas
yep
solid sun
I assumed the circle would be a big damage zone
toxic pewter
what happens when u enter the circle
severe sonnet
Any experienced prot player that does coaching or able to answer some questions dm me please
umbral atlas
i don't think it damages, i think it just slows, not 100% though
solid sun
How long does the dam buff last
stone tundra
I javeline one, bolt other, charge pummel, charge pandaracial
solid sun
Guess could shockwave too
stone tundra
Yes
solid sun
If bolt works
solid sun
Does the dam buff last a while
umbral atlas
buff lasts x amount of seconds (can't remember) after the final add is interrupted, so in a perfect world everyone waits at the top but doesn't enter until the tank at the bottom interrupts the last add, then they all run in at the same time for the full duration 6 stacks
stone tundra
Would need to look up the duration
umbral atlas
pretty sure that's how it works
stone tundra
Yes
solid sun
Sick
The squad has been ignoring them and just blitzing through
I’ll get them to stop
stone tundra
umbral atlas
everyone runs in as soon as the tank interrupts that is, they don't wait for the tank to catch up
essentially if you all run in to the boss before all the adds are interrupted then you lose stacks of the buff and if you wait too long to run in after they're interrupted then you lose duration of the buff
i think that's how it works
tribal wharf
i dont understand, when i fight that final boss of caverns, totems come in and something attacks and kills a team member
i dont get it
i dont like that dungeon any more
stone tundra
He jumps onto them and the totems do damage afterwards
toxic pewter
should i be standing inside the circle that shows up where the totems will be
or like around that circle
the 3 little circles
stone tundra
You should not stand in the circles
umbral atlas
afaik you shouldn't stand in them
toxic pewter
ok
dont i want to be near it tho to help spread the damage
like how does it all work
stone tundra
He jumps there,deals damage and places a totem
If you take damage from your own it is fine
toxic pewter
yeah but doesnt the damage get split
tribal wharf
well its theres something about he deals more damage for a further leap too
i think i heard that
stone tundra
yeah but doesnt the damage get split
No
stone tundra
toxic pewter
lmao
solid sun
That’s how powerful he is
toxic pewter
i am gonna starrt doing 17s soon
warm plinth
i am gonna starrt doing 17s soon
Just to learn how the peasants live eh
toxic pewter
Just to learn how the peasants live eh
lmao
toxic pewter
hell yeah
solid sun
APB “im queuing up for a 17 rn”
solid sun
“lol what’s a route idc about that nerd stuff”
toxic pewter
i dont know bosses, routes, mechanics
stone tundra
Yeah same
drowsy comet
and he calls the puggers toxic
They are 
potent token
Is Prot still bugged? Defensive stance and any heals falling off?
jagged pier
thats not a prot thing
outer willow
Is Prot still bugged? Defensive stance and any heals falling off?
Man you guys are scaring me. This ain’t happening to all of us right
jagged pier
happening to everything
toxic pewter
havent experienced it myself
potent token
It seems to be happening only in instance based content.
potent token
Def stance falling off in M+, delves and LFR
umbral atlas
happens everywhere (i haven't tested BG/arena) but it happens on target dummies in SW, silvermoon and garrison at least, those are the places i've tested it
also follower dungeons
daring marlin
Gonna try my 16 MC tonight. I didn't get to play yesterday at all. 😒
toxic pewter
Do you go right or left
opaque bronze
Anyone have advice for handling an offtank in raid who thinks they're the main tank?
opaque bronze
last night, in front of the entire raid he referred to me as the off tank
lusty grotto
not really an opinion, thats just a fact
jagged pier
tank ego right there
opaque bronze
meanwhile its pretty obvious to everyone that im the main tank
lusty grotto
tell him to go back to classic
umbral atlas
xD
lusty grotto
replace asap
jagged pier
no main or off tank anymore
lusty grotto
stone tundra
Was not really a thing for 10 years+
opaque bronze
ive been told that people who say theres no main or off tank are the off tanks coping
umbral atlas
main tank has the longer health bar
stone tundra
I guess in alot of guilds the tank that played there for the most time is considered the maintank
But it is only a title without meaning like those fancy new job titles
lusty grotto
no
stone tundra
The dimwitt that taunts every single time he does not have aggro?
lusty grotto
like Xsage said, its often due to seniority, it has nothing to do with who is tanking what
oak ivy
(it's a bit king)
warm plinth
All sounds like semantics to me. People wanting to be the "main" tank because it boosts their ego or whatever. You can sometimes have an off-tank in some raids on some fights, like the few fights we've had over the years that people sometimes three tank to have one tank doing one specific mechanic
stone tundra
On mop i am the maintank, because the other one does not really know mechanics and i have to explain everything
They just stand in stuff and call for healz
warm plinth
The more important question here is what happened to the other 56 Funkykittys
stone tundra
He is a special kind of kitty with more lives than usual
Might be due to his funkyness
oak ivy
that guy's literally 228 of me holy cow
warm plinth
I'm just asking a question. If you take it as an attack, it makes you look kinda sus tbh. 👀
umbral atlas
no one taunt on the pull and whoever gets aggro is the main tank
gray pecan
41k dps on dummies. is that good?
waxen frigate
ive been told that people who say theres no main or off tank are the off tanks c...
Lmao?
stone tundra
no one taunt on the pull and whoever gets aggro is the main tank
So the one ripping every single cooldown, got ut
oak ivy
no one taunt on the pull and whoever gets aggro is the main tank
the rogue who walked in a second early is now the main tank
stone tundra
He has evasion, he can handle it
warm plinth
Co-tank is always how I've referred to them, at least since like...cata or something lol
umbral atlas
gl to him
cerulean tusk
I'm just asking a question. If you take it as an attack, it makes you look kind...
What do you mean by 56 Funky's
waxen frigate
Co-tank is always how I've referred to them, at least since like...cata or somet...
How it’s always been for me since I started in 2020
warm plinth
What do you mean by 56 Funky's <:sadge:820202363359854633>
You're Funkykitty57. Why are you the 57th one
WHAT DID YOU DO
lusty grotto
hes just cat 
waxen frigate
Some fights have a primary/secondary role that’s more clearly defined but that’s usually dependent on like who’s playing what spec that tier
cerulean tusk
Ah, mods renamed me
waxen frigate
So that you can do the necessary mechanics
desert moss
My guess is the main tank is the one who is calling the shoots, I mean swaps and stuff.
But overall I think the term is out of date. It was probably used to define the tank who tanks the boss, and the off tank was probably the one who was gathering adds during the boss or tanked the additional add or smth. Again that’s only my guess
cerulean tusk
There we go
jagged pier
ppl call swaps? they happen at the same time every fight
warm plinth
#JusticeForFunkykitty1Through56
jagged pier
and u both do the same job
there is no calling required or one that does more than the other
stone tundra
Rather save than sorry i guess
waxen frigate
ppl call swaps? they happen at the same time every fight
Sometimes one person is forgetful
And if there’s nothing else goin on it’s fine to have as a reminder
desert moss
ppl call swaps? they happen at the same time every fight
I mean, like sometimes u just have one tank just calling it, I never encountered that my self but I guess it’s about who has more XP
oak ivy
the only boss we've had to comm is paladins but a silly lil macro fixed that
jagged pier
but calling doesnt mean main or anything, i used to call like every mechanic, does that mean im main dps
and mainn healer too?
the reason y there used to be a main tank was because there was a boss tank and a tank that did adds etc
lusty grotto
yup
delicate badge
Anyone got a specific open world/prey prot build?
desert moss
the reason y there used to be a main tank was because there was a boss tank and ...
So my second guess was right
jagged pier
Anyone got a specific open world/prey prot build?
Any build
Doesnt matter take the first one for icy veins or faq
warm plinth
or like in tbc wrath taunt swaps didnt really happen
Yeah, the other guy was just there in case you fucked up and died 
jagged pier
Yer but that didnt work most of the time because u need to be hit to generate resources to get aggro so u were never second om threat ither
warm plinth
Yeah
umbral atlas
warm plinth
Okay that's pretty funny
desert moss
Was just a guess I wasn’t around in the old days but yeah tanks do same stuff now
cerulean tusk
All you can say to that comic is: ||Truuuuuuuuueeeee||
warm plinth
Or possibly ||What happened to the other Funkykittys?||
cerulean tusk
What is this obsession with Funky today
toxic pewter
Anyone call me off tank in front of my guild we gonna have some words
warm plinth
Anyone call me off tank in front of my guild we gonna have some words
You're the main tank of my ❤️
jagged pier
I dunno from someone who literally tanked for the same guild since EN (expect for 4 tiers) and pretty much always having a different tank as a cotank i never considered myself the main tank 
toxic pewter
You're the main tank of my ❤️
Anyone talk down on my name publicly like that we stepping outside the instance
G quit may even be in order
cerulean tusk
I dunno from someone who literally tanked for the same guild since EN (expect fo...
Because the Main Tank doesnt need to refer to themself as thus. The main tank just is. A man who says he is the main tank, is no main tank.
warm plinth
Ok gym time 💪 be nice boys and girls
cerulean tusk
Last time I used the term "main tank" was, I want to say, wrath?
Other than in a more honorific way, ofc. Kinda like how you treat a senior at work, giving em a little more tad fancy title. Just to give a nod of respect.
cerulean tusk
Ok gym time 💪 be nice boys and girls
Be careful, dont let the Funkykitty bite 
umbral atlas
if you don't consider yourself a main tank then you're likely an off-tank
jagged pier
Ok gym time 💪 be nice boys and girls
cerulean tusk
No, thinking about it, I am pretty sure I used the term "main tank", for the tank who initiates the fight - "you main tank Guardian" in my head, means you taunt and position him on pull, start the rotation
cerulean tusk
Yeah, EU got its quirks, especially when it is Greek/English/French mashed together
cerulean tusk
Oh, is that the thread of the convo? That someone gets an ego check by it?
stone tundra
It is either "you take" or "you start with" atleast for me
cerulean tusk
I mean, I presume, as I mentioned the honorific entailment of it, there could be some pride taken by it
Guess it could be a slap to the face if you feel entitled to the gesture, but dont get it?
stone tundra
Sometimes "you are below me on the food chain, bow to my magnificent tanking skills" but thats rare
cerulean tusk
I have no idea where this discussion started
Hopefully not a "I am the main tank, so listen here you little shit"
lusty grotto
yeah its 100% ego
stone tundra
cerulean tusk
Based on regulars only, I guess the sprout that initiated the convo got either consoled or had their ego checked yet again
Oh I just read the line
...
desert moss
Does it matter who is main if u wipe together ?XD
cerulean tusk
If you know tanking, you for sure dont want to be the percieved "main tank", offtank gets off scott free and gets to avoid annoying whispers
"I taunt" - Offtank
desert moss
If you know tanking, you for sure dont want to be the percieved "main tank", off...
Those whispers XD
stone tundra
U got ur own opinions and quirks? Maintank syndrome
cerulean tusk
Main tank syndrome, guess we got to make that a thing we call out ppl for now.
... what is this, 2008?
I feel younger just talking about this, holy nostalgia buttons
lusty grotto
i dont think it has anything to do with it
cerulean tusk
Back in mah' days, I was the main tank, I tanked the boss and got all the loot. Other guys just stood there and I did all the work.
lusty grotto
tank ego, and main character syndrome in general has just existed without
jagged pier
Back in mah' days, I was the main tank, I tanked the boss and got all the loot. ...
i mean tanks back then did do all the work because the dps just stood there and pressed 1 button until theboss died
stone tundra
Will always exist, everyone is the main character of his story but some forget that there is more than one story
stone tundra
i mean tanks back then did do all the work because the dps just stood there and ...
Tank pov
And now trying to find the gif of the guy dancing and singing for dps
cerulean tusk
Will always exist, everyone is the main character of his story but some forget t...
You might be the main story, but I am the arc breaker, the plot twist. Your story ends with me! IT IS MY SHOW NOW.
stone tundra
You might be the main story, but I am the arc breaker, the plot twist. Your stor...
Sounds like an offtank to me 
cerulean tusk
Look at me, LOOK at me! I am the main tank now.
cerulean tusk
Gz Shadow Bear
stone tundra
Gratz
jagged pier
happy birthday Pash
lusty grotto
happy bday Witch Bear!
stone tundra
cerulean tusk
Now, go back to dreamgroove you stinky
desert moss
Happy birthday day
lusty grotto
cat stuck in the past
cerulean tusk
I refuse to allow Pash to escape the past
jagged pier
bis toy btw
cerulean tusk
Once a dreamgroover
cerulean tusk
always a dreamgroover
stone tundra
bis toy btw
Love that thing
cerulean tusk
bis toy btw
I seen lots of ppl use this toy on all their members, and boost low characters as full teams
kinda neat movement
undone beacon
stone tundra
Sometimes a slurry
undone beacon
bis toy btw
the one from Blinding Vale works the same, 10 min cd 60 min duration works in combat
its awesome
jagged pier
yer but u cant form the blinding vale one
stone tundra
The death curl animation tho 
jagged pier
cause it drops from m0
jagged pier
pangolin
cerulean tusk
With jakey gone, then who will now mod #protection
Guess it must be the rat in a hat
stone tundra
Pangolins remind me of the southpark episode
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
Imposter, a chatbot forged from the soul of poor innocent Jakey the Prot warrior.
Now only Jakey the Bear remains
jagged pier
innocent and jakey 
cerulean tusk
I know, all gone
Allton, feel free to ask your question, aint stupid questions - only stupid Skyholders.
frosty mango
I think I could cook up some stupid questions
stone tundra
cerulean tusk
We know, trust - we know dont
swift elk
The only trinkets I've gotten so far are a "Drums of Renewed Bonds", a Crusader's Keepsake, and a Heart of Wind. They all sim pretty much identical. Is there anywhere I can go that has proc rates for trinkets? I figure whichever two give me the best uptime with Haste are what I should wear.
All at Heroic, and I definitely don't Mythic raid.
cerulean tusk
I agree with your logic, just use that setup for now. You will get better from the vault with time
frosty mango
The sim will account for the proc rates, and the difference between them is likely so negligible to your output that it doesn’t really matter
cerulean tusk
PPM can usually be found by searching the trinky up on WoWhead
swift elk
Aight
stone tundra
for example the crusader one
shows rate, if not on trinket, then on the corresponding buff
swift elk
Ahh, I will go look up the buffs.
lusty grotto
The only trinkets I've gotten so far are a "Drums of Renewed Bonds", a Crusader'...
just use heart and drums
cerulean tusk
Enjoy, just have fun testing the trinky difference, then chose what you vibe with after the fact
jagged pier
set drums to haste tho
swift elk
Oh yeah, drums are on haste.
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
Wish more questions came in like that Feels like hope
undone beacon
Guys should I drop all the apex talents and take the execute package
oak ivy
did i hear someone needs a quarter of something
undone beacon
I'm a pioneer, 0/4 type shit
cerulean tusk
Dew it, it aint worth much either way, but what ya gonna take
going for the spellbreaker talent value?
lusty grotto
undone beacon
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
Imagine if some sprout came in and went "oh that build looks legit, thanks Skyhold! 
"
lusty grotto
i worry about that constantly
oak ivy
like years ago I was conditioned that if I'm gonna shitpost a talent set it comes with a big bold "THIS IS A JOKE DON'T USE THIS"
lusty grotto
umbral atlas
undone beacon
I usually caption it as "Turbo-turtle Sexecute" to help dissuade people from thinking its real tbf
But I digress
oak ivy
Hear me out. (DO NOT HEAR ME OUT)
lusty grotto
jagged pier
slender bison
People talking about zero apex but no anger management should be insta ban
cerulean tusk
not everyone got anger issues to resolve
open crest
Hey,
Have you guys had any issue with defensive stance just not procing ?
I also have my shield just dropping buff dropping in middle of fight and my character don't receive BL... Any idea where that can come from ?
jagged pier
seems to be a bug across a lot fo specs atm
cerulean tusk
You are one of many who come here with weird problems like that today
just join the rest of the forums, make a thread response to highlight the issue
We have not been able to make sense of it
it is just too random
open crest
I timed a +12 this morning and didn't take any damage, and just got wrecked in +10 tonight
Any link to the forum post ?
If not I can find it myself
cerulean tusk
Not any I got bookmarked, no - godspeed o7
open crest
Haha thanks
From what I can read, seems like to be linked to profession gear
So your character is seen as "Ennemy" by your teammate
And can't be buiffed
cerulean tusk
that was a theory, but we had ppl confirm the bug with, without and with all different kinds of professions
Meanwhile ppl had the same setups, yet no problems
umbral atlas
i did some testing on it and spoke about it earlier here
open crest
Welp I guess no more M+ until we get a fix
I really don't get how you can get this kind of bug
That might explain also why the "Show ore and Herb" on map was turning on and off randomly
umbral atlas
yep, character is bricked, i'm playing an alt, only thing you can do if you're determined to play the bugged character is to just let it happen and stay in no-stance taking an extra 20% damage, if you switch back to defensive again when it drops you out then each time the bug happens there's a chance of a much worse outcome (like your whole group decides you're the enemy)
open crest
Tbh that's kind of funny
daring marlin
https://klipy.com/gifs/ew-uh-1
open crest
Decide to defensive stance -> Straight to jail
daring marlin
Am I in the twlight zone? Every single time I peek in here he's saying his character is bricked
umbral atlas
any time someone comes here and says they have the bug i tell them they are bricked and to reroll brewmaster
open crest
any time someone comes here and says they have the bug i tell them they are bric...
I was actually thinking of leveling up my brew again
seems like the call
cold pilot
Do we make a shield boys?
jagged pier
Do u raid mythic?
cold pilot
Once we finish Heroic I will be 😄
jagged pier
then no first boss drops a shield
cold pilot
So what are we thinking otherwise then?
lusty grotto
depending on his guild
cold pilot
I think we're about to start culling the herd on the bad DPS so we'll be in mythic next week
jagged pier
nah like hes already getting myth track vault, and the first few on mythic are easier than march hc so e'll be in mythic sooner than later
just craft emblishments
u wont replace them
jagged pier
we dont ascends
acranoweave on back and bracers
max ilvl wep is better than crafted
warm plinth
Guide recommends weapon embellish for early power spike iirc
lusty grotto
its not early anymore
jagged pier
right but when i have i ever spoke about gearing in the short term? place i said u dont replcae them im not going to mention a wep that will be replaced
undone beacon
just hard carried a dk through an 11 MT, did less dps than me, and then said "I have friends I can do whatever I want"
undone beacon
Can you beat this in a MT?
lusty grotto
probably
undone beacon
slick
I'm going to dinner here in a few but I'll prob tank a few more for vaultsies later
I'll ping ya
lusty grotto
outer willow
Can you beat this in a MT?
God damn lemme see that breakdown
warm plinth
I wasn't saying anyone here recommended anything.
errant leaf
is there a doc where i can see all reflectable spells of the season ?
undone beacon
God damn lemme see that breakdown
lusty grotto
is there a doc where i can see all reflectable spells of the season ?
pinned
errant leaf
ty
outer willow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2NYhLBtaqJfF9b6g?fight=last&type=summary
Fucking beautiful
errant leaf
is the shear from the bladetalons in skyreach reflectable ?
lusty grotto
its physical, why would it be?
lusty grotto
oh true its nature
vocal owl
Hello, is there any macro there is good to use?
cerulean tusk
#showtooltip /cast Pummel /cast heroic throw
haughty copper
been using these wowhead talents to do m+
till +11 i do fine thanks to xal'feet buff i guess, but in +12 usually get shreded, is there a more tanky variation of the talents o3o? or these are fine and i just need to keep practicing till i git gud?
loud rune
@undone beacon thanks for the analysis and tips a few days ago! did take it all in account and went from 6-11 parses in raids and dungeons to 65-80
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> thanks for the analysis and tips a few days ago! did take ...
Happy to hear it! 
Big improvement, good job
undone beacon
been using these wowhead talents to do m+
till +11 i do fine thanks to xal'feet ...
Something a lot of people do is drop Tough as Nails to take Battle-Scarred Veteran, which is a pseudo cheat-death
Can help a lot in sticky situations
slender bison
Sometimes I'm feeling sad but then I remember that there are paladins who can't tank Vorasius 2nd soak on mythic
haughty copper
Something a lot of people do is drop Tough as Nails to take Battle-Scarred Veter...
ty, will try it on my next m+ :3
undone beacon
Since when did we swap from dropping TaN
lusty grotto
TaN is a last resort to swap
undone beacon
especially for someone struggling to live
slender bison
TaN is 8% dmg
undone beacon
To be fair I think I dropped bloodsurge for BSV but
lusty grotto
yeah bloodsurge is fine to drop
i dont play bloodsurge, i play bloodborne
idk why people need bloodsurge but jakey might eat me
undone beacon
I don’t play either but I play EA so
errant leaf
whats the haste beakpoint to play itf ?
undone beacon
1188
haughty copper
hmmm think i'll try the drop of bloodsurge to add BSV :3
shrewd moss
How's my rage management here? Can I learn anything from looking at this?
safe sand
hey Y'all new to Prot (trying something new) with the prio list from wowhead it says excess rage on Ignore Pain do we not keep this up 100% of the time ? i always thought we priod ignore pain and Shield Block. or am i just reading the wrong tab
shrewd moss
those dips shouldnt happen
Got it! I'll look out for that and see what I'm doing wrong
lusty grotto
hey Y'all new to Prot (trying something new) with the prio list from wowhead it...
read on IP usage here: #protection message
do not follow the wowhead guide
use icy veins instead
but at the very least, that part on the wowhead guide is correct
safe sand
read on IP usage here: https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941...
cheers
shrewd moss
read on IP usage here: https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941...
thanks!
safe sand
read on IP usage here: https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941...
thats helps immensely!! damn thats changed my view big time
lusty grotto
outer willow
those dips shouldnt happen
👀 go on…
I’m listening for a friend who doesn’t understand.
shrewd moss
yeah I think I'm just dumping everything into IP instead of hitting it once
undone beacon
Being rage starved is just as bad as being rage capped, stalls out your rotation
shrewd moss
oh dude yeah rage starvation is absolutely a big problem for me now that you mention it
outer willow
Hmm. Now I’m afraid to check my own logs
undone beacon
Let’s all your defensives fall off
outer willow
I’m afraid it’ll expose me as bad
shrewd moss
this was my first 13 ever and we timed it and I'm proud, but I defo can improve
undone beacon
With proper rage management you should always have something to hit. Revenge is a good low cost filler, and if you spam IP you won’t have rage to revenge/SB
Plus you’re losing potential resets on SS
undone beacon
I’m afraid it’ll expose me as bad
Everyone does it, my logs are sure as hell not perfect lol
shrewd moss
bad is temporary, learning is forever
undone beacon
Sometimes I don’t pay attention and starve out, or turn weirdly and take unblocked melees, etc etc
But the point of logs is to improve!
shrewd moss
the biggest thing I changed recently to help me was focusing on SB. I noticed I was spending more rage on IP instead, which is, like, not great. That helped with rage management a lot. I would stall way more. I still think I'm double-tapping IP though
undone beacon
Def easy to double tap IP esp in a frenetic environment yeah
shrewd moss
made a bar with arcui to track my SS and am way more focused on it now
lusty grotto
shouldnt happen too frequently though since it has an icd
warm plinth
Def easy to double tap IP esp in a frenetic environment yeah
Frenetic environment is the only environment we have in this world.
robust lava
Is the crafted shield from the recipe that the vanguard boss in the raid drops, better than the regular crafted shield?
robust lava
Gotcha, thanks
outer willow
So I can’t just look my logs up right? I need to upload them through the addon
lusty grotto
if someone logged your runs it should show up with your character in wcl
lusty grotto
just search your character and see if things are logged (on the website, no addon needed)
warm plinth
You don't need an addon for logging, but it definitely makes it easier since you don't have to think about it. You do need their uploader though.
Shameless sharing of my own instructions
outer willow
just search your character and see if things are logged (on the website, no addo...
Nada
outer willow
Shameless sharing of my own instructions
Ty! I’ll get on it tonight
warm plinth
You do have a Maisara log and a Windrunner log
You can tell there is at least one log for those dungeons because they wouldn't have DPS numbers in the Best DPS column without a log.
cold pilot
Do I craft a 3rd myth track item or should I hold these crests for next week? I'm not sure when my guild is going to start mythic raiding
fathom meteor
Do I craft a 3rd myth track item or should I hold these crests for next week? I'...
legit about to ask the same thing. im not myth raiding atm, wont be for a few weeks. i still have champ track wrists and theyre looking raplacable hahaha
lusty grotto
craft away
the only reason you might wanna hold myth crests (or sparks) is if you can guarantee a myth item dropping for that slot
dropping and winning it
just keep a healthy amount for next reset's vault
undone beacon
I mean you can if you want but
lusty grotto
do you only have 80 crests or something?
undone beacon
If you get 3 myth slots and one is wrists, the other two gotta be real bad to not take
lusty grotto
youre fine, if you get a vault myth piece you can just do keys next week
fathom meteor
aight sending
tribal wharf
key stone logs, maisara caverns entry 10, still no vessel at least not for me, the bosses have proven to be too powerful and or complicated on tryanical for my groups without explanations
perhaps they have hidden it really well inside of there
tribal wharf
nerfs coming tuesday
carmine frigate
We will survive
green frost
I somehow had this guy in my grp, which stands as a testament to the lower difficulty of the 10s nowadays. Wont state his name here for obvious reasons, but look at this damage breakdown in a 10 Pit. Bear in mind... This guy played Thane
undone beacon
nerfs coming tuesday
???
tribal wharf
REMOVE WHIRLWIND from prot spell book
undone beacon
I somehow had this guy in my grp, which stands as a testament to the lower diffi...
This guy has the secret sauce
tribal wharf
thane more specifically
carmine frigate
Whirlwind as thane prot? lol
tribal wharf
CDR and bonus dmg when proc
green frost
No wonder I was facetanking as Arms all dungeon
undone beacon
Whirlwind as thane prot? lol
Whirlwind as prot at all is wrong
green frost
My guy was juiced to the gills on whirlwind sauce
carmine frigate
Just missed the time on a 12 Acadamy because a Marksmanship hunter pulled 50k overall
carmine frigate
Do we know about how much of a dps % loss it is?
harsh trellis
yes, its a shit change
tribal wharf
i wouldnt be able to tell you for sure
carmine frigate
Let's pull a paladin and shut the discord down
harsh trellis
Youre also going to be sitting around longer waiting to tc
when they are bringing all the other dmg of tanks up
tribal wharf
i am infamous here for not listening to anyting and zug zug everything
tardy abyss
It literally doesnt matter how much of a loss a gameplay change is because usually there will be compensation buffs
tribal wharf
im not good with deep math i guess is way to put it
harsh trellis
It literally doesnt matter how much of a loss a gameplay change is because *usua...
theres not in this case
its just a straight dps loss
solar shadow
how much dps do i lose for using WW over Revenge i really like its sound effect more
does anyone have a sim
carmine frigate
@green frost We found him
harsh trellis
Is acuity the way to go with the MH? I tried simming and it just tells me worldsoul aegis and im like wut?
lusty grotto
yeah acuity or berserker's
harsh trellis
Thanks Nim
harsh trellis
are u roughly swapping around when the shield pops
Yes and No
are you the first tank with Alleria?
round cliff
alleria starts on the inside right? so yes
i havent done the fight yet
im studying ahead of time
round cliff
so im on the simulacrum first
round cliff
and then you swap
our tanks are swapping every shield pop rn
harsh trellis
so if dps is slow or the arrows dont hit the adds and a shield pops its better to just have dps go to the other add to burn the shield down
round cliff
like we're making sure they die
harsh trellis
OK thats good
harsh trellis
so the tanks just need to listen to the audible of when ADDS spawn
like dbm says adds inc so you swap
harsh trellis
no the adds cant be near the shield add
round cliff
yea thats what im saying
grim zinc
Tanked my first ever key just now. A +10(normally I dps). It went pretty smoothely. I'm still button watching a bit too much though.
round cliff
u want alleria on the outside when adds spawn, and u want to swap them when shield is down + adds die
is that right
grim zinc
Could be doing things a bit more smoothly of couse but that will come with time I guess.
harsh trellis
Alleria to the outside. Adds spawn kill the adds.... taunt swap to dps shield.
grim zinc
I fel like very often I take no damage until all of a sudden I take a fuckton.
harsh trellis
I fel like very often I take no damage until all of a sudden I take a fuckton.
70 rage hit IP regardless
grim zinc
0 vers probably doesnt help.
grim zinc
70 rage hit IP regardless
Okay!
lusty grotto
0 vers probably doesnt help.
doesnt matter
grim zinc
Right now I'm kind of just mashing everything 😄
grim zinc
That makes sense.
harsh trellis
do you have 4 set?
dusty orchid
Thats rough - shield charge is free shield block
harsh trellis
does this really only work in an outside zone?
grim zinc
Just comes with practice I guess.
harsh trellis
cause I may need to keep a second tier helm just for AA with this
dusty orchid
does this really only work in an outside zone?
Only the Healing - Leech works everywhere
grim zinc
Big pull on algethar was spicy 😄
grim zinc
But I'm basically always playing mountain thane right?
lusty grotto
sure thats fine
oak ivy
Only the Healing - Leech works everywhere
oh hi there
dusty orchid
well hi!
tribal wharf
no
i am an expert more or less in reading mtg and ygo cards
and thats just saying its an additional effect
Note that its capatalized on its own line.
grim zinc
Is it really dumb to just bind my shield block to slield slam?
lusty grotto
yes
grim zinc
Okay just thought I would ask. 😅
fringe mural
i am an expert more or less in reading mtg and ygo cards
maybe that's why i wasnt even getting the slighest idea this could be misunderstood
leech -> everywhere, health percentage regained on kill -> only outside
tribal wharf
example of me being stupiid
im at yog saron
and i cant figure out how to leave once i do the portal
lusty grotto
the 8 abundance events per week is still a thing right?
or did that shit get changed while i was on vacation?
tribal wharf
i dont have details but i know it got some kind of nerf\
fringe mural
the 8 abundance events per week is still a thing right?
yes it is
need to get them for the epic profession items
i'm doing those with 8 alts now -.-
and no didnt get changed, still need 20k points for 900 abundance per run
vocal owl
How bad is it to macro ignore pain to a spell? If its okay what spell do i macro it too?
vocal owl
Haha okay 🤣
lusty grotto
you can macro IP to a skill to ONLY IP
and that skill is SS
but you cannot use that macro to SS
thats the only thing that is acceptable
you never want that bind to do anything other than IP
vocal owl
Can u send the macro?
solid sun
lusty grotto
its on #protection-faq
or in the icy veins guide
again: DO NOT use that macro to SS
that will be stupid bad
the idea behind it is that if you IP, it can send a recently reset SS
vocal owl
Thanks
opal ledge
hey guys, i got the resilient key by making all 12's
but my key is a 10 (i pugged all my keys)
is that 10 a resilent key too? can i break it and it will stay a 10?
lusty grotto
gcd-> IP ogcd into gcd
in the first gcd window
youre supposed to weave it correctly lol
if you arent, then thats a whole nother problem
sharp rover
That sounds extremely clunky
lusty grotto
it really isnt
coarse bay
Is this about the ss into ip macro
lusty grotto
yeah
coarse bay
Not even noticeable really
Just happens
The only thing clunky about pwar
Is our heavy plate armor
lusty grotto
im assuming they are coming from a BDK perspective
but we're not gcd locked
or barely
sharp rover
It's from the perspective that I press SS with my left hand and IP with my right hand (mousewheel down)
lusty grotto
ok so whats wrong with that?
ive played with ogcds in middlemouse before
in xiv too
sharp rover
I guess I can see the logic that IP has a 1.5s cd which means if you start pressing it ~0.5s into the GCD, you'll have the same 0.5s leeway to cast SS
warm plinth
It's not something you think about, and it doesn't even happen all the time as it means SS was reset by an auto attack while you were going to press IP.
sharp rover
But I feel like if you're trying to press SS out of IP you're going to double cast IP too often
lusty grotto
youre not pressing it to SS
youre pressing it to IP
i thought i made that very clear
warm plinth
Yeah, the SS is just an incidental sometimes occurrence. You still press SS separately otherwise.
coarse bay
Youre hitting ip, and if a reset happens itll ss
lusty grotto
again: DO NOT use that macro to SS
the idea is:
- you slam the IP macro in a gcd window (because its off-gcd, this is called weaving)
- it queues an SS if a Strategist reset happens
thats it
sharp rover
Only if you're pressing IP while your GCD spin has finished
lusty grotto
no... spell queue exists
lusty grotto
we're a haste class, it doesnt matter how short
warm plinth
Honestly you're way overthinking this. You're not meant for it to have any real impact on anything you do.
lusty grotto
our gcds will be naturally low
warm plinth
You can play without the macro and it will make no difference
sharp rover
That's what I'm expecting lmao
warm plinth
I mean, it will make a difference in that the occasional SS won't get immediately used when pressing IP, but it's not meaningful enough for it to need a debate like this.
coarse bay
Default spell queue is 400 ms
lusty grotto
etc
coarse bay
Meaning there’s a window of 400 ms before next gcd is available where it will read any presses and activate that ability as soon as gcd is available
sharp rover
That sounds like a relic of the past when they were accommodating people on 300+ ping
timber ledge
hello, i just came back to war after the month of expansion and i was wondering how easy is to beat the ?? boss and how should i aim the fight. I guess the go is valeera healer to get the bleed but how we deal w tank buster?
sharp rover
hello, i just came back to war after the month of expansion and i was wondering ...
Virtually trivial
lusty grotto
spell queue actually became a thing after WotLK so its not that old
sharp rover
The tankbuster does negligible damage if you even just have shield block and IP
warm plinth
That's still over like 16 years ago XD
lusty grotto
true im just saying its not a vanilla trilogy thing
coarse bay
That sounds like a relic of the past when they were accommodating people on 300+...
Its there to help prevent gaps between abilities and casts, it’s much more noticeable of a benefit on casters
timber ledge
The tankbuster does negligible damage if you even just have shield block and IP
so i can just facetank it and thats it?
tribal wharf
I asked gpt what it thought easiest and hardest keystones are and it claims MT for easiest and nexus for hardest (told it do for 12 or 13, which you need for 3k)
lusty grotto
i mean we would need more information
higher ilvl will make it easier
valeera levels will make it easier
and difficulty can be very subjective
replying to you here @timber ledge
stoic hound
guys can you guide me on how to check shield block uptime in a dungeon log on wlogs?
warm plinth
Damage Taken > Hover over the number in the hits column
lusty grotto
hover your mouse over melee hits (or any blockable hit)
stoic hound
this one?
lusty grotto
that'll be your effective uptime
yeah you can improve on that
should be 90%+
at a bare minimum
ideally 95%+
but yes thats it
stoic hound
thank you
timber ledge
i mean we would need more information
267
valeera 40
its alt
all curios 4/4
or 268 i dont remember
stoic hound
and these two uptimes irrelevant?
warm plinth
Not sure of the context there. Are you looking at casts?
sharp rover
so i can just facetank it and thats it?
If you take it literally raw then it will hurt, but... just don't do that? Pop shield wall or something if your SB drops
timber ledge
Ye i mean facetank like that
stoic hound
yes its from cast tab
timber ledge
With monk I dodged it so
And to maximise my dps in raid?
Is revenge useful or should i dump energy on IP instead
warm plinth
That's pretty low uptime for Ignore Pain; I'd imagine there's a fundamental misplay happening for it to be that low. But I can't tell more from that. Can you share the log?
warm plinth
Is revenge useful or should i dump energy on IP instead
You use IP when you're above 70 rage; otherwise you Revenge
warm plinth
Yep. There's the culprit. You're wasting a metric ton of rage.
Like 30% of your rage from every source is just disappearing into the ether
lusty grotto
Is revenge useful or should i dump energy on IP instead
you do both
read this #protection message
never rage starve though
stoic hound
i think I know what is the problem. this is my first every try to play a tank and since the start (2-3 weeks ago) I used that macro:
lusty grotto
always keep a healthy 30 rage, and dump into IP at 70+
stoic hound
#showtooltip
/cast shield slam
/cast shield block
/cast ignore pain
and for a couple of days doesn't use it anymore
warm plinth
Oh dear
stoic hound
and it seems I started to press ignore pain less
warm plinth
That's...a macro 😅
stoic hound
will work on that, ty
warm plinth
But yeah, just make sure you're pressing IP. Your casts per minute of IP should be around where SS is; yours are like half as many
Any time you go over 70 rage, you should be pressing it, and during cooldowns that can happen a lot in a short time.
Focus on that and using your CDs on cooldown (your Avatar and Demo Shout usage is a bit low as well)
lusty grotto
#showtooltip
/cast shield slam
/cast shield block
/cast ignore pain
and for a c...
that macro is illegal
stoic hound
yep I figured it out here, that macro will never appear on my warrior:)
lusty grotto
or on anyone's warrior, I hope
timber ledge
read this https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/148...
thanks
so we are not spamming ignore pain like last season? or i did it bad there too
xD
chrome hull
Like 30% of your rage from every source is just disappearing into the ether
I’m new to WoW. Tanked in Fellowship. Could you explain a bit why rage is disappearing? Sorry for the dumb question here, but it’s tracking wasted rage and I don’t know what that means. Stuff like refreshing shield block before buff expires?
timber ledge
that can explain many things of my logs
lusty grotto
if you did, you were playing incorrectly
warm plinth
I’m new to WoW. Tanked in Fellowship. Could you explain a bit why rage is disapp...
It's not disappearing; it was just a figure of speech. It's being wasted because he's generating rage while he's at the rage cap.
timber ledge
nice