protection

[hollow forge]

true no macros for me 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Do you have any stances keybound

[lusty grotto]

we asked all these questions apb

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[hollow forge]

its also not only stances im dropping some buffs too

[umbral atlas]

1. it switches me from steadflight to skyriding whenever i leave a dungeon and sometimes whenever i leave combat
2. it switches to my profession gear randomly in the middle of a dungeon and i start hitting shit with a fishing rod
3. it literally sets me as hostile to the group in a fucking dungeon so i had to finish tanking a 10 earlier by just fucking kiting everything because the healer couldn't heal me
4. it drops defensive stance (doesn't put me into battle stance, just puts me into no stance at all)

the way i think i can replicate it is to turn on steadyflying then charge one of the tanking dummies and do shield wall

[lusty grotto]

oh?

[umbral atlas]

oh yeah and 5) removes all my buffs

[toxic pewter]

What in the world

[umbral atlas]

fucking send help

[plush tendon]

yea, someone had a similar problem earlier today

we have no clue my dude

this is a ion problem

[lusty grotto]

is this related to the mog system by any chance?

[undone beacon]

It sounds like something is maybe fucking with the instance system? Esp for 1/3/4

But if that’s the case, that’s way above us lol

[lusty grotto]

when you say fishing gear, do you mean the hat?

[umbral atlas]

this is me in a dungeon with the whole group hostile to me

[lusty grotto]

ok thats... something else

[undone beacon]

Yeah this is a file a bug report type beat

[umbral atlas]

i mean all profession gear, sometimes i'm hitting shit with a fishing rod, sometimes i'm dressed as an alchemist, i've seen a chefs hat and rolling pin before

[lusty grotto]

but fishing gear is already equipped

its not put on your character's equipped gear, its in its own separate thing

its not like before DF

thats the part i dont understand

[umbral atlas]

i can 100% replicate it right now by switching to steady flying, charging a target dummy, then using both charges of shield wall

[lusty grotto]

im not saying i dont believe you

what im saying is fishing rods go in here

[umbral atlas]

can anyone test if that fucks it for them too?

[hollow brook]

bro you needa get fishing

[lusty grotto]

i have 300 on 2 characters

no need for more

[hollow brook]

ok nvm

[umbral atlas]

yeah i think the fishing rod is just a visual bug, i don't get trucked so i'm pretty sure i've still got my shield on

[hollow brook]

i take it back

[lusty grotto]

if you could ss or sb, your shield was equipped

[umbral atlas]

yeah it is

[glacial ridge]

go to the npc near the recraft, and get it to show profession gear only when doing that profession

[lusty grotto]

thats a good idea

[glacial ridge]

otherwise profession gear look stays on even after..

[umbral atlas]

tried that earlier

[lusty grotto]

the tauren npc

oh

[umbral atlas]

i think the bug is with steadyflying

[glacial ridge]

hmm

[lusty grotto]

do you guys toggle that in regularly?

or have it bound?

[hollow forge]

i can tell you i dont have it bound and i never changed to steadyflight

[umbral atlas]

guys please someone test it for me, turn on steadyflying, hit a target dummy, use both charges of shield wall then run away and drop combat

[lusty grotto]

but i dont use steady flying, thats for boomers (though i am one)

[hollow forge]

i did that didnt clear buffs or drop stance

[lusty grotto]

i suppose i can try

1 second

let me try

nope

still in dstance

[cerulean tusk]

Hold up, it is spreading to more ppl?

[lusty grotto]

yeah no it doesnt do anything with stances

[umbral atlas]

ok maybe not just shield wall, it did it on ignore pain then

as soon as i did ignore pain on the dummy it dropped stances and when i left combat it had switched me to skyriding

[cerulean tusk]

we need to quarantine this discord, hold it closed, till blizz fixes the dstance issue

[umbral atlas]

also wearing alchemy gear now

[lusty grotto]

i did a full opener

nothing happened to stances

or battle shout

a full opener with a wall cast

[cerulean tusk]

Just making sure, this new round of testing, is done without addons enabled - ye?

[umbral atlas]

<.<

ok that's a fair point, i'll turn everything off

[cerulean tusk]

If you can still replicate it, then we at least one step of the bug report down

as the go to response will be "turn off addons"

[umbral atlas]

yep still happening after disabling all addons and restarting the game, turn on steadyflying -> hit dummy -> spam some shit -> run away, every time it either puts me into skyriding, equips a random profession set (engineering that time) or drops me out of all stances into no stance at all

or all 3

[cerulean tusk]

You NA or EU?

[umbral atlas]

EU

darksorrow

[hollow forge]

am eu too

cant replicate his bug but thought i'd give context

[umbral atlas]

i take it no one has had the more extreme version yet where your whole fucking group turns hostile in the middle of a dungeon? 😛

[hollow forge]

nope 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

it has been reported on the forum

Also, I cant replicate your issue

[opal ledge]

working on a custom ui for my prot, themed around dark iron dwarf

[lusty grotto]

is the other guy also EU?

what was their name, sorry

the third person, i mean

[cerulean tusk]

Jobey?

[hollow forge]

@fathom basin

[lusty grotto]

hold up

@fathom basin are you EU or NA?

ty

[cerulean tusk]

I am EU, and cant replicate it tho stupid bug, I want to be included

[solid sun]

I spent some time with the fam. Did we discover a cause yet?

[hollow forge]

i didnt check NA forums before only EU and yeah NA forums has multiple bug reports about profession equip and its always warriors dropping out of stances

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[cerulean tusk]

Think all we can and should do atm, is just send ppl directly to the forum, to add their experience of bugs to ongoing threads

put some eyeballs on it

[solid sun]

Ah so it’s related to professions?

[umbral atlas]

interestingly i cannot replicate it on a different prot warrior, level 83 one

[cerulean tusk]

same zone?

[umbral atlas]

yep

same server, same faction, same dummy

[cerulean tusk]

warmode also on/off, and all that jazz being the same

[umbral atlas]

warmode off on both

[cerulean tusk]

What I dont get, is how random it seems to be. The conditionals you lads are mentioning are different, yet same-ish end result

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[hollow forge]

yeah its only happening in keys for me 🤷‍♂️ cant replicate shit in delves dummies overworld but as soon as im in a key rip my stances randomly

at it only started 23.30 German time never had a problem before for me

[solid sun]

It’s time related lol?

Maybe d stance is tuckered out

Needs a rest

[umbral atlas]

yep, went back onto main, leap at dummy, hit it for a few seconds, fishing rod gets equipped, run away, as soon as i drop combat i also drop stances and switched to engineering gear (stayed in steadyflight that time though)

[hollow forge]

i was literally running dungeons the whole day but starting 23.30 it happens every key

[umbral atlas]

ok so you have it too right phailguy? or something similar?

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, tested all of my warriors, I cant replicate it, and dstance just stays on as the good buff it is

I throw in the towel, Nim - make a copypasta with a forum link let the devs who gets paid to figure it out, do it

[hollow forge]

similar

not same

[solid sun]

Hey cat

Try your dk

[cerulean tusk]

But why, what am I looking for?

[solid sun]

Maybe it’ll drop buffs

[umbral atlas]

ok lets compare notes, CkEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4nBAAGzwMzMzMmNzMLDjxMZmxwyYmZGzwMDAAAAWmZAmxAMwCssY0YGAzWMzGGzMzgZbAwMDAADwA this is my spec, i'm using gaze of the alnseer and solar core igniter trinkets

[solid sun]

If it does the devs might get them more buffs

[cerulean tusk]

u sillybilly

[hollow forge]

CkEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4nBAAGzYmZmZmxsZMLzYMGNmxwyMzMzwwMDAAAAWGDwMGgB2glFjGzAYWiZ2gZGzwMLDAmZAAYGwA

is my setup so its not the same. trinkets are heart of wind and crucible so no overlaps

[cerulean tusk]

I already tried to replicate the dung drop offs in M+ keys, with the different builds that were used, no dice

o7

[solid sun]

Okay did you try gathering first

[hollow forge]

im just gonna accept im cursed and go to bed for the moment 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

Bring out the holywater to have under your pillow tho

ya never know, cant be too safe

[lusty grotto]

honestly we cant solve much here

[hollow forge]

just to throw some more wrenches btw. my profession gear are a dragonflight rod and a green midnight tailoring shirt and dont even have a fishing rod 🙂

[lusty grotto]

we've gone through basic troubleshooting and stuff

[hollow forge]

yeah i know at this point im just venting

[umbral atlas]

any chance you could link your io? if you're comfortable with that, just to compare specs and gear and stuff

https://raider.io/characters/eu/darksorrow/Spyderman

this is me

[hollow brook]

gentleman, is it worth crafting a 285 weapon, or holding on to what i got atm and getting a myth sword from vault, and using myth crests on the myth shield?

[hollow forge]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/ambossar/Vollid

[lusty grotto]

dont bet on vault

[hollow forge]

no prob

[cerulean tusk]

I am just waiting for a 5th lad to show up and say it happens when: "I spin manually around in a circle and then charge, but only if I used IP within the last 15 sec"

[hollow brook]

ok so crafting is the move

[hollow forge]

if you want to look

[umbral atlas]

i can't see anything super-unusual that we both have that might explain it

[lusty grotto]

please change your builds

youre inting without stance mastery

and without shield spec

[hollow forge]

kk just copied one from r.io tbh you got a build for me?

[lusty grotto]

icy-veins

[hollow forge]

aye o7

[lusty grotto]

and do not run ITF with less than 1188 haste rating

swap it with Heavy Rep

you can grab Nikolai's that one is fine

[gray pecan]

are there any good Prot Warriors i can watch on YT?

[onyx hearth]

Shield Slam, Thunder Clap, Shield Slam, Shield Slam, Thunder Clap, Revenge, Shield Slam, Thunder Clap

[lusty grotto]

Sense

[hollow brook]

im at 924 haste atm and Heavy Rep gives much better uptime on SB

[hollow forge]

did it boss

[gray pecan]

ty Nimchip

[lusty grotto]

np

[gray pecan]

ok i think my haste is killing my damage output

[lusty grotto]

nah

well it might but

[lusty grotto]

just farm keys and get it up

thats def very low haste

just equip haste pieces

hero tracks obv

[gray pecan]

how much haste should i have?

the thing is i usually compensate with flasks

[umbral atlas]

this is only a protection thing btw (the bug) i can't replicate it as arms

[gray pecan]

i can get my haste up to 25% through buffs

[mighty valley]

just take all ilvl upgrades and then take haste when you have vault options or crafts and you’ll be fine

[umbral atlas]

back to prot and still fucked

[daring marlin]

@plush tendon 50% AA damage boost for prot pally lmfaoooooo

[lusty grotto]

as much as you possibly can

but follow what Harrow just said

[gray pecan]

right on

thanks

[plush tendon]

surely that will help prot paladin

and a whole 2% more magic DR

😄

[daring marlin]

bdk changes are yuge

[plush tendon]

still waiting for someone to do the math

and tell me how much DR we get from the armor

[lusty grotto]

i can get you the formula

but it depends on current K values

its basically the same one for block

except it caps at 85%

[plush tendon]

can you do the math for me Nim

im lazy

thanks, you the best

[lusty grotto]

would have to get the new k values

ill try later for sure

[daring marlin]

bdk stonks rising

[sage rune]

OK guys, what have been your overall DPS on M+ so far? Im 271 ilvl, 4 pc, shield and main hand 285 and Im doing something around 65k. Some keys I can go over 70k. Is My damage poor? I can see other tank specs do something over 75k. I dont know if the problem is in me or the prot

[daring marlin]

seems fine to me but that also depends on your pull size

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a good number to be at

Guil is right about 1 thing, the other part of that is dungeon

[daring marlin]

you'll have a higher overall in something like MT for sure

[lusty grotto]

and duration of the key as well

[sage rune]

I just completed a 13 PIT and made 70k. A usually pull the big as the pull can be

[umbral atlas]

can confirm the bug still happens if you're in battle stance and also can confirm it happens if you start in skyriding

this character is literally bricked, the only way i can play right now is to let the bug happen and just tank shit in no-stance

testing it in a follower dungeon, every single pull it drops stance and removes all of my buffs

[gray pecan]

😮 video?

[lusty grotto]

nah lets not

lets please move this to the blizzard forums

[umbral atlas]

i cannot be rebuffed by the party unless i switch back to defensive stance either, i can't get mark of the wild or arcane intellect or anything, only my own battleshout

[lusty grotto]

again we cant really solve any of those issues here, its above what we can solve

[umbral atlas]

mate, this is so fucked, i doubt jesus could solve it

[lusty grotto]

all bugs can be solved trust

i do it for a living

[umbral atlas]

i'm open to suggestions for narrowing down the exact cause of it

[lusty grotto]

just gotta identify what cases can be reproduced consistently, and whether they are related at all

[umbral atlas]

ok now this is interesting... i've found a way to completely fix it and stop it from happening

i'm currently bollock-naked, completely unequipped all of my gear, only using my shield and thunderfury (it was the only random 1-h that i had in my bags) and this has completely stopped it from happening

i'm going to put my gear back on one bit at a time and find out what item is causing this, i'll keep you updated 😄

[lusty grotto]

good find, just post it on the forums

any of the bug threads, it'll be helpful for everyone there

[warm plinth]

I think it's still worth discussing here, especially if he finds out what item is causing it (if that's what it is). At least we can tell people who ask.

Not everyone goes to forums to find answers, so the more places the answer/workaround is, the better

[lusty grotto]

yes if there is one sure

but if its a bug

with the game...

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying he shouldn't post it in the bug report forums. Just that moving the discussion entirely there is a disservice to the people coming here to find out if there is an answer or at least temporary solution.

[lusty grotto]

they should at least copy it over there

[warm plinth]

I agree

[lusty grotto]

but if it ultimately results in being a bug, we cant really resolve much

[warm plinth]

No, but if he finds out that it's attached to a specific item, we can at least tell people what's causing the bug and they can avoid using that item

[lusty grotto]

with that new information, then yes i do agree

but up until that moment, the assumption was that it was just... a mystery

[somber compass]

Hey Folks 🙂 can someone explöain to me why some Tanks play 1/4 apex talents and some 3/4 and some 4/4 ? does ist just depends on key or why?

[warm plinth]

You should always play 4/4. I have no idea why people think they should run less.

[lusty grotto]

we cant explain it, we recommend 4/4

there's no reason to go under 4/4

[somber compass]

the talents you can pick if u go 1/4 are pretty strong i guess

^^

thanks for the answers btw ❤️

[proven kite]

In m+ - How bad is colossus in comparison to mountain thane?

More dmg but less rage/surviv?

That was the trade off last I knew (last xpac)

[lusty grotto]

that wasnt the tradeoff last exp at all

MT is just easier to play

thats it

you lose about 1k dps, which is not massive

[lusty grotto]

they are not

and you can pick them even by going 4/4

[verbal glade]

1/4 lets you pick up indomitable, last stand, and bloodsurge which is a pretty big powerspike in terms of defensive ability and sustain. You could pick up one or two by flexing points out of tough as nails or violent outburst but you can't take them all without cutting down to 1/4

i'm not convinced it's worth the tradeoff, but multiple of the top rated prot warriors are at least experimenting with 1/4

[round cliff]

so

without 100% shield block uptime

if i know im not gonna have shield block and its in the middle of a fucked up pull like pre-vexamus in algethar

do i just have to kite? or do i save demo to use as a defensive and stack it w/ shield wall?

ive been leaning towards the latter

[undone beacon]

Shield wall and get SB back within the wall's duration. Though if you're running HR its a lot easier to maintain SB

[lusty grotto]

yeah just run HR

[round cliff]

i thought i was

maybe im not

[lusty grotto]

indom you can swap enduring
bsv you can swap bloodborne
anything else you can swap TaN

last stand is not that big of a defensive deal, EHP is not something you want and might only be needed in those very top top top top keys.

and there is no fucking way you will want to drop outburst

You can have it all and still have 5% ADDITIONAL DR from 4/4

its just really dumb talenting

period, end of story

if they were smart they would go for the least impacting talents to go for defensives, but they are not

outburst is pretty fucking massive

4/4 is pretty big

going bloodsurge over outburst is just strange, because outburst is so much more rage gain

[verbal glade]

like i said i'm not convinced it's worth dropping 4/4 - i'm still running 4/4 - but some of the best players aren't just trolling with their talents for no reason

it might be that the extra defense only truly matters at the very highest keys where they're getting 1 shot through defensives

but there's clearly a reason they're running those builds and it's not an insane thing to experiment with

obviously you can pick up specific talents by dropping other talents but cutting down to 1/4 gives you 3 more points to pick up virtually everything relevent in the tree and run them all

[lusty grotto]

yes but being the best player does not automatically mean you make the right decisions with talents, they just make whatever they pick work because they are the best

and everyone under them just copies them

[verbal glade]

yeah i mean i agree with you completely, just running the highest key doesn't make them right and people shouldn't blindly copy

but it's interesting to figure out why they think 1/4 is the better play and figure out if it ever applies to anything under a 17 or 18 or w/e

[lusty grotto]

that'd be a question for them, we honestly cant make assumptions here regarding their choices

thats why anyone that comes by asking about aggregate site talents are turned around

[mighty valley]

the main takeaway is that talents matter a lot less than good play unless you’re picking real dumb talents

high keys have been done with very different builds tbh

[lusty grotto]

well i kind of disagree with that, going for their build can put anyone else at a considerable disadvantage, simply because they can help compromise from any difference in skill

but that's when comparing with the very top and not idiots that just get carried by their team

[dusty ruin]

Hello all, i am new to prot. I love the sword/board kind of character, but leading a m+ group makes me nervous. Should i start at a 2 and just slowly work my way up as i get more comfortable per dungeon?

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

and do remember you can run the dungeons with bots (not in a key though) just to get the hang of a route

follower dungeons, i mean

[dusty ruin]

Ok! Ive been playing mostly solo so im around 249 atm, just didnt want to dive headfirst into something without a bit of prep work

[lusty grotto]

the best teacher is just going in

and learning from mistakes

but you have options

so take advantage of those

[solid sun]

I was just kinda curious

So I took a look at the current top rated m+ pwar

They're def 4/4 apex

[lusty grotto]

well thats just wild then

i wonder who people are looking at

[solid sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/EAOAVVUREVUWYRqRQBEOVUVFRFRWRRREV0BEFVVVVUCAQ

[mighty valley]

murlok bullshit

[solid sun]

I looked at what they're currently logged out and it's 4/4 apex but then I went to their dungeons and saw that they ran a 19 pit

This was the buil dthey ran the 19 pit with and it's also 4/4 apex

[jagged pier]

No sheild spec is wild tho

I love take 16% more damage from the highest damage source in keys

[solid sun]

I had a brief conversation with augusto about that also because he chooses not to take shield spec

[opal ledge]

they buffed other tanks, and nothing for prot x.x

[lusty grotto]

idk why this keeps being a thing either but alas

[solid sun]

But I'm not a good debator of talents

[mighty valley]

yeah that’s the annoying thing, the best players can make an obv bad choice like that and still accomplish big keys

because team skill > all

doesn’t mean everyone should be doing it

[solid sun]

Pit has some big pulls I imagine

And it has graveblades

Graveblades don't fuck around

[jagged pier]

He not doing those higher keys

[solid sun]

Yeah but he drops it to take BSV

Doesn't make sense to me

But I am just a simple rhino

[jagged pier]

[mighty valley]

dropping defense talent to take other defense talent is weird but whatever

everyone’s feelycrafting at this point

[opal ledge]

i got my 3k with "non optimal talents"

[mighty valley]

this looks fine

[undone beacon]

the biggest oddity is Enduring Alacrity and Instigate being the points you swapped but

[mighty valley]

i’d take a rage talent over last stand for sure but whatever

[undone beacon]

But like, sure its fine yeah

[opal ledge]

i think shield mastery and indomitable are really good...
i can swap HR for ItF sometimes, i got around 1200 haste... but i'm always scared 1200 haste will leave me without SB uptime

[mighty valley]

sticking with hr is always fine if you’re worried at all about sb

people are too obsessed with switching to itf asap

[jagged pier]

Your loosing value on indom wothout instiagte

And bloodsurge technically

Indoms power isnt 10% hp more hp is never going to save

[solid sun]

285 is max craft right

289 is max myth track

[jagged pier]

Ye

[forest lagoon]

Don't worry, they're preparing to nerf us!

[undone beacon]

deserved, freakin hate prot warriors

If theres one thing im good at, its not wasting rage in a key

If theres one thing im bad at, its spamming jump and forgetting im a drac so i get melee'd in the back

Did a weekly 10 caverns with guildies for vault, wasted a grand total of 6 rage

I will get the elusive 0 rage waste key one day

[drowsy comet]

brew just gets so slightly nerfed lmao, BDK looking good and Prot Pala finally getting more damage

[sharp rover]

As a primarily DPS warrior, how are prot players feeling about the Colo and Thane changes?

It looks like prot gets to cast Demolish twice per trash pack, which seems nice?

[torn gulch]

Garbage changes with no logic

[outer willow]

wish me luck

first 10

[mighty valley]

you don’t need luck there’s no pressure

[drowsy comet]

May your DPS be able to kick

[fathom basin]

Eu

[lusty grotto]

a person said something about unequipping gear

[outer willow]

wow

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[outer willow]

I didnt know I was capable of a 10 this early

ty ty

[severe star]

nice work

also nice job completing the 10 in 10 mins

[outer willow]

hahaha I posted that after the first boss I think.

though I have a weird bug that maybe you gyus have seen - I cant see /party when the mythic starts

when it ends I can see everything

[fathom basin]

gonna try that today. when i wakeup more 😄

[indigo wadi]

Heyo, new getting into tanking, me and my mates will just be doing 10s, and maybe up to 13ish for 3k mount.

Is it bad to say macro slam and SB together? like

#showtooltip
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Shield Block

[lusty grotto]

yes its bad

[outer willow]

Do not do that

I did that once and man it’s bad

[indigo wadi]

how so?

(I don't doubt you, just wanting to understand)

[lusty grotto]

SS is your most used button, you'd be burning SB when you dont need it

[outer willow]

You don’t want to be spamming SB as much as SS

[lusty grotto]

and also subtracting rage gains from SS

[outer willow]

Sometimes you wanna dump that rage into slapping people

[indigo wadi]

Right right right

but I assume during pulls you wanna keep near 100% uptime of SB?

(And I guess this macro would make it so when pack is ending, I got 1 charge of SB left, I slam + SB, pack dies and my SB runs out before we're fighting the next pack and I got no SB up etc)

[lusty grotto]

are you running HR?

[indigo wadi]

ya

[lusty grotto]

then the big deal is when you finally swap to ITF, its gonna kick you in the ass

[jagged pier]

Think of it this way u are on the last mob u press ss u have now put block on cd, u not longer have block for the start of the next

And now suffer a dps taken increase because u wasted your active mitigation when it wasnt needed

[lusty grotto]

[jagged pier]

U are also spending rage u could use on something else like 1.5 revenges or ip

We want to spend rage but we want to spend it correctly

U can also think of it as the boss has a move away mechanic, ive press and use sb just as that move away mechanics happens ive now wasted shield block

[indigo wadi]

Gotcha gotcha. ✏️ 🗒️

1.5 revenges?

[jagged pier]

This all becomes more of an issue when u swap to itf cause u dont have as much shield block as when u have hr

But lets not build bad hadbits then complain im squishy because u can manage 1 buff

[lusty grotto]

1.5 revenges = 20 + 10 rage = 30 rage cost for SB

[jagged pier]

When u swap talents

[indigo wadi]

Oooh, ok ok. Solid stuff.
Thanks for the quick replies

but the ignore pain / shield slam macro listed in the FAQ here is good to go?

As I understand it, it's good just cause it sends slam if available when I'm trying to add to my ignore pain? (And you alsways wanna slam?)

[lusty grotto]

its good if you understand that you'd be using it only to IP

you need a separate SS button

the one that you will use to SS

[indigo wadi]

Aye, got those two separate

[lusty grotto]

yeah then go for it

[indigo wadi]

Got my dedicated kind of "short" defensive button for all my classes, press it out of muscle memory when I need a defensive regardless of class, and kind of fits well with IP

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

IP is a rage dump

SB is your active mitigation

SB is demon spikes, marrowrend, iron fur, sotr, purify

thats your main, maintainable defensive buff

[indigo wadi]

When you put it like that it makes more sense cause spikes is on the same bind as IP rn.

Just in my head I figure it as a spammable mitigation it goes there.

[lusty grotto]

IP isnt spammable

youre not supposed to spam it

70+ rage? you press it, thats it

under 70? you dont press

[indigo wadi]

You don't try to keep it always active?

[lusty grotto]

it'll be active with proper play

what you need to keep active is SB

read this: #protection message

that'll get you sorted out on everything related to IP

no other tank has a resource dump like we do

so you cannot equate it to anything else

SB is our bread and butter active mit, like i mentioned

[indigo wadi]

ooo, nice, thanks for that, makes sense

[mild vessel]

No buffs for prot warrior? 🙁

[jagged pier]

we getting our buff to colossus next patch

[indigo wadi]

Another question
I know this is highly personal, but as people more experienced, are there either utility (bottom bar) or active abilities/CD (top bar) you would not track?

I try to keep it in kind of a priority list, slam being the highest followed by TC.

Always keep big CDs to the right on this to easily find and see CD

Sb being tracked with the bar to keep it up.

[drowsy comet]

What the fuck

[lofty glen]

and i am just running 12-13....

[drowsy comet]

and brew is just getting like a 4% nerf lmao

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hang-first-time

[lusty grotto]

nah thesea re fine

i track similar things

[drowsy comet]

watch healer meta swift to resto shaman

[jagged pier]

it will probably cause its the only 1 with a kick

and its needed in +20

[drowsy comet]

yea

and resto shaman seems alot more chill than resto druid, i can tell you that because its such a hussle sometimes

especially this stupid ass firebird in Windrunners, this really slaps alot sometimes

[lusty grotto]

thats a grass-is-greener comment if i ever saw one

[drowsy comet]

because im talking about druid? get it cuz..druid..grass..forest shit

heh

[lusty grotto]

no, cause youre playing one and not rsham

so you think its better but in reality is not "chill"

the saying goes "the grass is always greener on the other side"

[drowsy comet]

i chose druid not because of meta, I chose it because I saw the visuals and saw that you can have little trees helping you heal. I got blinded by this... and receive bad whispers from tanks

but idgaf, ignore and move on

[coarse bay]

Where is avatar

[indigo wadi]

That is a very good question

I realise I didn't hit it at all in the dungeon I just ran

[coarse bay]

That, sir, is an oof

[indigo wadi]

It's added

[coarse bay]

[indigo wadi]

Luckily I'm just practicing in HC dungeons

[coarse bay]

You got this king

[indigo wadi]

from a video I watched though, avatar is just send on cd when you can? (obviously maybe save if it's a smol pack or pack is ending, but generally?

or is there mote to it?

[coarse bay]

Yep thats the jist

Send it on cd

Unless pack dying

[lusty grotto]

im not accusing you of anything, the point is you standing on one side of the fence looking at the other side

[coarse bay]

Accuse him

[lean slate]

is the NP rings worth it? Or are haste>crit rings better

[jagged pier]

we like the stats so no reason not to get them

[lean slate]

👍

[drowsy comet]

i am indeed

[rapid lance]

Why not warrior dmg buff when its the lowest right now??

And in 12.0.5 will be nerfed

[jagged pier]

its not the lowest

[rapid lance]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/18345446236627406012/DD7E2C5FE3F71941E7F279E86F1E9AE90887841E/

The 2nd

lowest

[rapid lance]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15360089064574308515/CADDECEDDBF4A35FAFAD91A8B8E3C5FA3C20B91B/

In high keys

[jagged pier]

ST, burst cleave and cleave fights we are not lowest on any

bliz doesnt tune around high keys

they tune around raid

the top warriors at least some of them are also dropping dps talents for surviability

[lusty grotto]

also high key players play defensive builds

[jagged pier]

so they are loosing damage

just based off that

[lusty grotto]

looking at those is just silly

[coarse bay]

Nim r u there

[lusty grotto]

yes

[coarse bay]

How do rets sim do you know

I asked and got ignored 7 hours ago

[lusty grotto]

i just do the same as prot

as us*

[coarse bay]

Cool ty

Wasnt sure if they have specific target and time

[sharp gale]

in the paladin discord ? you discovered the issue

[coarse bay]

The prot section of pally discord is very good imo

Never ventured in the ret area

Just a vibe spec and i usually just run tank gear but i wanted to sim

[sharp gale]

well, it is the most weird section of class discords i've seen

[coarse bay]

Ya the alpharet is crazy

Lil gup caught a ban for disrupting it

[sharp gale]

bolas is insane

[coarse bay]

Idk bolas really

Just know that people blame him for the discord closing thing

[sharp gale]

the one who closed the discord

[coarse bay]

When it was apparently the whole group

[sharp gale]

and closing help channels + banning/muting people helping at random times, bc it's strike time

[lusty grotto]

that seems power trippy

i didnt know that was bolas

[coarse bay]

Idk i never heard any of that but i also dont talk to anyone that goes there

[sharp gale]

my friend plays ret since a while and he shared me the gossip of The Strike and other random stuff

[ionic adder]

is monk dead with nerf ?..

[jagged pier]

why dont u ask the monk discord

[frank surge]

anyone here running loa worshipper's band? i noticed the current #1 m+ protwarr has it

[ionic adder]

because i dont play monk yet

[coarse bay]

For a lot of people it’s simming as a pretty strong boost rn, it’s something of a short term option. Sim options for yourself if youre deciding your next craft

[frank surge]

makes sense, i personally prefer to build for long-term rather than short, ty

[tardy abyss]

The nerf doesn't do anything

[lean slate]

How good are the seat gloves?

[analog lily]

Not even a scratch.

[analog lily]

0.2%

[frank surge]

is mastery our 2nd best stat for m+ now since almost all craft haste+mastery bracers?

[marble sundial]

just did my first +4

weoo

[lean slate]

Gratz!

[pastel geyser]

Haste + mast bracers huh?

[frank surge]

ye i see it on a lot of the highest m+ protwarrs

would say most crafted item in top20

[pastel geyser]

Hm prob cuz they want the defense

[frank surge]

ye and scales with tough as nails i guess

which does dmg now unlike in tww

[pastel geyser]

I went crit haste on most of my gear but ig i should prob go some mastery too cuz i feel squishy sometimes

[frank surge]

ye funny part is the same ppl who have haste+mastery bracers have crit+haste 1h i cant really figure out whats going on ngl

[tribal wharf]

im having the exact same type of problem i had with oribos in this new city

where the center of it is just a big cricle

[naive ravine]

Is Prot warrior that good dmg wise that it doesnt get a dmg buff?

[tribal wharf]

so everything looks the same

so i get lost until i hard re-orient my self

non issue here but

[tardy abyss]

Crit is also good for defense

In fact better than mastery

[coarse bay]

Not how stats work, youd sim your gear and not worry about statsweights outside of getting haste where you can

[tribal wharf]

im never ever running skyreach on a 10 due to the wind section lol

run that once and thats it

[tardy abyss]

That dungeon is hell for us anyway

[tribal wharf]

AA is a bit hellish

that keystone gets extremely scary the more you up the key lvl for it

[tardy abyss]

I find SR worse

Not by much tho

[indigo wadi]

When logging m+ dungeons, is there something you have to change in your settings?

I'm logging raid fine, (have advanced combat logging on).

But just uplaoded the run of my first m+ as tank, and it seems to only have logged the last boss(?) of the dungeon, and shows it as abandoned but we +2

[tribal wharf]

i understand if you kill the bird on boss 1 of cavern before the dude has time to bring it back... i mean... i just explained it.......

he brings it back to life obviously very clearly right

but well, if you kill HIM, first, the bird does an enrage, and basically what im trying to ask is is that a forever enrage on the bird that will hard wipe us on a +10, sort of like with the ghost and golem in WRS

cuz i have basically next to zero questions about the boss 2 and 3

maybe, when do you reflect for 2,, the drain life channel?

[lofty warren]

Brew is dead now?

[coarse bay]

Ask brew disc

[lofty warren]

Updated tier list when

[coarse bay]

Youre the tier list maestro

[drowsy comet]

LMAO

[tribal wharf]

i wonder what suspect him to believe brew is dead

[drowsy comet]

this chinese resto shaman was "only" 272 ilvl and managed to heal a +20.. thats so absurd

[tribal wharf]

probably some streamer

shamans have capability to be some of best healers period in the game for keys

[drowsy comet]

yea i mean, they got bloodlust and 1 kick. The only healer who still has one

[tribal wharf]

i prefer monk and shaman the most these days in general but i try not to be critical of anybodies spec of talent choice

do i l ike warlock healthstone and brez and lust

oh ya

but only some classes bring it

so if other classes also could share health stones

is the big one for me

brez and lust are semi common

[coarse bay]

[tribal wharf]

for the love of the light blizzard

give healthstones to another class!

[simple bridge]

hi guys is feel bell dumb alsking this but what addons have people been using to track your cotanks stacks? (i did hear enabling private auras in bigwigs is the way to go but kinda lack the understanding there)

[coarse bay]

Im not at computer to give actual instructions but bigwigs is indeed the answer

Or dbm

Or northernsky

Whichever u use

[simple bridge]

it isnt standardized in bigwigs is it? honistly feel like im back at the start since the addonapocalypse

[coarse bay]

Im not sure, i feel like it isnt

Those things are also visible to me on raid frames

But that might be another thing i enabled in bigwigs

Id just dig through the options, can be complicated but theyre there

[simple bridge]

atleast i am looking in the right place thats good to know XD

[lofty warren]

No pwar buffs why wtf

[coarse bay]

Because theyre tuning focused around raid and pwar is good in raid

It is also good in m+

Buffs would be nice but unneeded

[pastel geyser]

U can skip that whole thing with 1 hc leap :D

[simple bridge]

do you do the jump or just the tornade + leap ?

as in which one do you prefere XD im more of a option 2 tbh

[tardy abyss]

Option 2 is way easier

And very consistent

[echo egret]

Get hit by a tornado and leap to the top ?

[tribal wharf]

caverns is going to be painful on 10

sent the mage through the ringer

[heavy sparrow]

You'll do great

[tribal wharf]

someone was upset we werent kicking spirit rend

and it will kill us in future

so i'll have to remember that when i run it

[dry gulch]

Can this be done? And which tornado the first one?

[drowsy comet]

SIX SEVEEEEEEEEEE-

[echo egret]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WR8WqN-IBSo?si=wx_Z8vAw9_IvqmZR

[drowsy comet]

bro now its too obvious

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tua5BknXyjE

video i cam across recently

[lofty warren]

Nice

[dry gulch]

Thanks

[drowsy comet]

I saw it

[tribal wharf]

lmao

this dude really captures it so well

[indigo wadi]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xhnQt9Ly7kvjrHAB?fight=last&type=auras&source=3

Heyo, if anyone has time for a few pointers, finally got logs working.

So like my 3rd mythic as tank now,.
What I'm thinking, I pressed ignore pain quite a lot too much.

Wasn't tracking it at all, just pressed it as I had 70+ rage pretty much. (might have hit it a few times while lower too) but this probably lead to overcapping on IP, while it was still "full?)" Probably cast more revenge?

And SB uptime got some ways to go, like up to 90%+ I'd assume?

[drowsy comet]

DPS player´s biggest enemy:

[stone tundra]

Relaxed, but not that relaxed

[cerulean tusk]

Meanwhile I do 11s on my 230 character, no que or issues

sucks to suck

[tribal wharf]

i wont promise i will go for 3k

but i will see about 2500

4k is aint no way

i dont have the cards to play that game 20s

you need to have the cards

2500 which i think is just 1 chest 10s

i can do that, no problem, probably some suffering

[fringe mural]

what cards, single, 20-30 and working from home?

[tribal wharf]

lands to tap for mana

summonable monster, maybe some spell cards

[fringe mural]

mtg is the way

but kinda died with the internet

[tribal wharf]

yugioh is fun too but its really realy fast pace

[fringe mural]

people just copying meta decks all the time now

[tribal wharf]

you lose so fast in ygo its crazy

[fringe mural]

before that people thought on their own

now they'll google the decks

and buy the cards

it's the same in arena sadly

and with wow talent builds

it should work this way: you look at the talents, try out some stuff, and if you're unsure about some choices, THEN you ask the pros

[tribal wharf]

its just always been that way, in some form

[fringe mural]

people skip out part 1 now

a lot at least

[tribal wharf]

theres always a main stream way to do things

and if its even slightly off

[fringe mural]

when i played mtg, every elven or goblin deck for example was different, they had similarities yes, but were not a straight copy with 1 card difference

"meta" was much more subtle

[solid sun]

We don’t care about the IP value. If you’re at or over 70 rage you hit it, regardless

[fringe mural]

you cant miss revenge if you press ip at 70+rage

i don't know what he means by "casting more revenge"

okay what clearly would be dumb when expecting a heavy blow at 50 rage, not to cast ip to have it up when you get hit

if sb is up already

and prioritize revenge over it

what was the proc again that gets you a free ip?

was it a ss proc?

@solid sun you surely should be called Rhino, Bane of Multidudes by now

given how many names i've seen in the past weeks

[solid sun]

You blocked 84% of melees. We want to see that closer to 95%.

7 spell reflects seems low. It’s a short cd and can be used as magic DR.

1,309 rage wasted. Could definitely work on lowering that

I kinda think you didn’t press tc/tb enough but someone smarter than me could probably evaluate that

[indigo wadi]

Solid stuff
I imagine most of that % is from me pulling kind of poorly getting hit in the back, and not doing well on position.

Good pointers to start with, appreciate it 😄

[solid sun]

Just two

Other banes have been friends just being silly. I think Cam has been baning too with Rhino as a name

[tardy oak]

prot war is nice guys?

cant decide on prot war, brm or prot pala ffs

[reef sluice]

how are you seeing rage wasted?

[solid sun]

Go to resources and where it says “hit points” click it and swap it to Rage

[solid sun]

Pwar is great. We always recommend picking what you have the most fun with

[cerulean tusk]

Cant say I would recommend VDH or BDK atm, they feel... off, to put it likely. Pwarrior is just solid and plays alright. If you want big DPS numbers on screen, Monk and Ppally is for you.

[solid sun]

Such an elitist

[cerulean tusk]

Well I wont recommend someone to play something I myself feel plays like rusty nails over gravel.

I recommend what I find to be at least, mildly interesting or amusing

I am the most trustworthy individual in here when it comes to 'feel' play

[solid sun]

Hey cat

Guess what

[solid sun]

My friends and I were doing some keys last night and one of my friends decided he wanted to play some BDK

About 3 pulls into a 10 pit my healer friend asked, “does bdk still have bone shield”

Because my friend had no idea he needed to have bone shield stacks up and just wasn’t keeping them up at all ig

[reef sluice]

Anyone else's tracked bars stop working? Ignore pain, shield wall, shield block bars?

[jagged pier]

no but i did notice the other day SB was disappears for a few seconds at a time from the default CDM

so bliz probably screwed somthing up

[reef sluice]

Ran into a mythic solo and the bars seem to be working on trash. Definitely not working in delves right now. Maybe I'm good to send some keys?

[reef sluice]

Noticed the same thing with SW, like I would pop it and it not display, but this was intermittent.

[tribal wharf]

my healer warning me about 10 key spirit rend in caverns i guess

[toxic pewter]

lol

[vocal owl]

Hello how are we on damage vs other tanks?

[undone beacon]

This is fantastic yogi thank you

Legit saving that

[jagged pier]

yer like here SB is suppose to be ext to IP u can see i have the buff in the top right, then 2 days ago when i ran keys after i noticed this, just didnt happen again so no idea

i asked around bigger brains than me

and no ones seems to have noticed anything

[undone beacon]

Between CDM fuckery and people reporting their buffs randomly dropping off, I’m going to no evidence blame RWF addon-fixing fuckery for these issues

[cerulean tusk]

Boneshield management was fun, when it had an effect on your rotation, now it is just... well, shield block - just bad and with annoyances of being consumed as you go

Hey, at least after the coming armor buffs, that fixes nothing about the gameplay, you will overgear content earlier - so that is neat

[undone beacon]

As in blizz keeps messing shit up trying to stop being from solving luura

[jagged pier]

probably yes, but i dont even have addons thats just deafult ui so im just blaming bliz

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but if they did a global fix, you would think it would affect everyone. At least some of the regulars

it just seems to be hitting some ppl at extreme random

Almost a "you, yes you, fuck you" thing

[undone beacon]

Yeah I did a bunch of keys last night and had no issues with any elements of UI or gameplay so, god only knows

[tardy oak]

prot pala does good dps?

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, they got big numbers on screen going on

They got two build paths, one where you are more squish but do silly dam, or one where you are tanky but do mediocre dam

[reef sluice]

Try running into a delve and see if any of the bars work. Doesn't for me.

[jagged pier]

it was fine yesterday and today i dunno seems really odd

[solid sun]

Hey

[jagged pier]

hi

[solid sun]

You guys are awesome

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

Gj being the best discord

What you hmming for on me for

[reef sluice]

Tried so hard to remove weak auras only to give us substandard replacement. Shame.

[lofty warren]

Just wait till you see what the rwf ppl are doing

[toxic pewter]

hopefully they ban anyone using addons that try and bypass restrictions

perma ban

[reef sluice]

Q'd a key and ignore pain flashed as tracking for 1sec in the first 2min. I'm cooked until they fix this.

[tribal wharf]

more like 60 days ban

how about banned for 1 sesasonal length

[toxic pewter]

if it was up to me would ban entire race to world first people perma

[tribal wharf]

too many toxic and leaver or whatever points and you can play but you cant use LFG for raids or keys

you have to join guild group

you can still play the game, but you cant do anything meaningful

[jagged pier]

execpt they literally talk to bliz and ask if things are okay

[tribal wharf]

until your time out ends, or until you can chill out

[jagged pier]

one of the addons they used on lu'ra has already been fixed

and they got told not to use it

[toxic pewter]

yeah but they did use it

proactive exploitation

[jagged pier]

and got told not to, and stopped

and then it was fixed

[solid sun]

I wonder if they asked about that one and blizz said yes and then changed their mind

[tribal wharf]

its all in the control of blizzard end of the tday

and they can so nope

[jagged pier]

yer thats the one im talking about

[tribal wharf]

revert

[toxic pewter]

Permabans for all at this point, been out of control for years trying to cheat

[tribal wharf]

u didnt kill the boss

[jagged pier]

bliz said yer thats fine, then went on further thought no dont use it

[tribal wharf]

u didnt get loot or title or mount or SHIT

and thats really how it should be

[reef sluice]

World first race is the reason we can't have tracked bars work properly. They are hotfixing server side and screwing normies.

[tribal wharf]

NO CHEATERS, really sweaty players, sure

[fallow fern]

What's the target number threshold to use violent outburst on thunder clap vs shield slam again?

[fiery spindle]

violent outburst doesn't affect thunder clap anymore

[shut summit]

0

[fiery spindle]

just shield slam

iirc anyway

[chrome relic]

Not trying to be a fan boy but my understanding is they do exactly this before using anything

[shut summit]

0 thinking needed for outburst now

[fallow fern]

Just use on SS all the time then?

[shut summit]

read the talent

[tribal wharf]

only "challenge" of it is to use it on time

in quotes

[fiery spindle]

you can't spend it outside of shield slam

[fallow fern]

Oh, did they change it? Sry im on my phone

[shut summit]

yes, can only use on shield slam now

[fallow fern]

Yes I see they changed, please disregard 🙂

[ionic adder]

hi chat why i only have 5/5, shouldnt it be 3 craft this week ?

[fallow fern]

Im trying to improve my dmg in raid.. when off tanking.. is it better to hit revenge or SB? I am not having any issues surviving..

[jagged pier]

cause u got a spare spark week 1 that had nothing to do with dust

[toxic gyro]

But it increases dmg of your slam and you always want to have it up

[fallow fern]

Even when not taking melees?

[ionic adder]

so how i get this spark now ? i only have 1 spark of radiance

[jagged pier]

u already got it on week 1

[undone beacon]

The quest Midnight: World Tour awards an extra spark per character for doing the weekly zone events

It’s offered by Lor’themar is Silvermoon as a purple “important” quest

[outer willow]

Very easy quest, just a little involved

[tribal wharf]

i never read what that affix does until today

30% CDR

okay then

[outer willow]

It SUUUCKS on Maisara when the affix goes off on the last boss right before you’re sent to the shadow realm

[toxic gyro]

If you want to improve your dmg you should read the talents you play. Understanding of your spec is one of the keys to do good dmg. After that check pwar guide and make sure your rotation is correct.

[tribal wharf]

melt down incoming

godddd

LOL we vote to abandon as it dies

apparently this boss on tyranical is the pug destroyer

whatever this was happened

entire team hp drop to 1 hp

[tardy abyss]

Seems like the key was doomed anyway

With half the time being gone and still at 1st boss

lmao

[tribal wharf]

the video starts when it all went wrong

[outer willow]

Homies sharing a frontal together. Romantic.

Another witherback. Another bag of coin

[tribal wharf]

we did NOT infact take his prey

he really wants to defend it

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1175211241925525604.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[solid sun]

Myth craft weapon is such a big uppy

We are zooming now

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

If Jakey were on NA he would be witness to just some fantastic warrior gameplay rn

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

Maybe one day they will stop segregating us

[jagged pier]

one day

[tribal wharf]

i need to come up with a plan for that boss if it happens is a similiar way again

ill try to pull it awy from the ice traps best i can do i gues

[warm rivet]

Hey guys. New to Prot Warrior. Are you guys managing shield block or is it just macro'd into other abilities?

[jagged pier]

u dont marco it

u manage it

[warm rivet]

gotcha, that's what I figured

[mild river]

Strenght still gives bonus to armor?

and vice-versa?

[west basalt]

i'm not a warrior main, but is there a good reason NOT to macro shield slam and shield bock together?

[outer willow]

You do not want to send SB as much as you spam SS

[warm rivet]

But doesn't the timer stack?

[jagged pier]

because u spend rage on it which could be used somewhere else

and u will waste charges

[warm rivet]

Ohhh that makes more sense

[jagged pier]

if your running HR it wont matter as much

if u run ITF it does matter alot

[outer willow]

Stacks and then you run out of charges

[jagged pier]

like for instance u come to the end of a pack u press SS, youve now put SB on CD and u waste the buff as u move to the next pack

[outer willow]

And when you swap to ITF you gonna feel that pain

[jagged pier]

u press SS and TC is on CD and u dont get a SS proc

but u have spent 30 rage on SB too

so u cannot fish for procs with revenge

[west basalt]

what's ITF?

[warm rivet]

Forgive me, what is HR?

lol

[outer willow]

Is there a / command for this?

I think there is…

Pls hold

[jagged pier]

heavy reprocussions and into the fray

[west basalt]

heavy reprecautions and into the fray - choice node

[outer willow]

ok so the official Skyhold (subject to approval of Valkyrs and Stormforged) Midnight numbers to swap from Heavy Repercussions (HR) to Into The Fray (ITF) is:

1188 haste rating

Do not talent Into the Fray (ITF) below 1100 haste rating, use Heavy Repercussions (HR) instead. Your SB uptime will suffer with ITF and low haste rating.

Note for experienced warriors:

You can talent ITF with lower haste rating only if you're confident and experienced in managing SB effective uptime. Effective uptime is uptime while getting hit by blockable attacks.

Note concerning raids:

You play ITF in raid regardless of haste rating unless... on fights that have you split from the group and away from having full stacks like: Chimaerus, Imperator if tank moving away from adds, Vaelgor/Ezzorak, Salhadaar if constantly moving away from orbs. It's safe to be ran on Vorasius, Vanguard, etc. If this is the case stick to HR and follow the haste rating guidelines.

[pearl herald]

Unless you play title keys you can macro it, but it will leave gaps if your haste is on the lower end.

[jagged pier]

it has nothing to do with title keys or not

u dont make bad habits

[west basalt]

thats cool. I don't like it macroed. feels cheesey. I guess i can put it where execute used to be

[jagged pier]

its prevents u to get as high as u can or want to go

[outer willow]

Cheese will melt when you swap and have bad habit

Is that the right thing to say? Melted cheese is also delicious

Hmm

[west basalt]

mmm melted cheese

[outer willow]

Yea my bad. I love cheese

Damn.

[jagged pier]

bliz is literally 1 tuning change away from make SB somthing u really have to think about again

it also happen S2 of last expansion

u had to actually track SB and rage usuage correctly

otherwise u were just weaker

this discord is to help ppl improve and get better

not to go make a bad habit

[solid sun]

no bad habits

be good boys and girls

[pearl herald]

Improve? People knowing how to play it or not is up to them. You guys keep acting like some weirdo reddit
mods where "its a bad habbit". Giving options to people is way better with good advice than saying to never use it or the regular "we dont support that here".

[jagged pier]

i literally just explained why its bad

we literally had someone in here yesterday who was doing it, i got them to check their logs and guess what they were taking way more damage than they should because they were wasting SB charges because it was macro'd to SS

I dont know what else u want its not opinion its literally statistics proving its worse

[pearl herald]

Yup, so advice + info lets people make their own decisions.

[fallow fern]

Im assuming this applies to both raid and keys?

[jagged pier]

yes

it applys everywhere

[fallow fern]

...I gotta go fix a macro.. 👀 lol

Was thinking to do this anyway but good to confirm

[round pendant]

If they ask for advice and disregard the correct advice to instead play worse, that's up to them

but no one here is gonna say it's the correct choice

you're free to play how you like

[jagged pier]

im not going to give advice with back up proof for years now, and then go but play worse if u want because thats the other option

that makes literally 0 sense

[round pendant]

here's a screenshot

this is from a poe discord, applies everywhere

[pearl herald]

Thats fine, but im saying its a good choice for people who understand the difference and know how to use it. Its just the weirdo answers people give to the topic when i read this is bad.

Just let people have all the info is better than one sided info. There is plenty of title runners who play macroes, i do myself, people i play with who play high keys each season do.

This one sided argument is not informing anyone.

[jagged pier]

what is there to understand about the different and know how to use it

so u come to the end of pack and stop pressing your main generator?

and make yourself weakier for no reason

[warm plinth]

It's not a good choice; that's our entire point. By your logic, if someone asked how to make spaghetti, we should tell them boil noodles and warm up some sauce OR you can drop the noodles on the floor before you put them on the plate.

[delicate patio]

For a fresh 90, what are the best stats on a crafted axe?

[round pendant]

macros in general are fine, macroing shield block to anything is not fine

[jagged pier]

haste/ crit or vers

[rapid lance]

Which tank is better in M+ Pala or Warr?

[warm plinth]

Sure, that's certainly an option, but it's not something you should do, and no one would ever say to do it because it's a terrible idea.

[round pendant]

Cutting the brake lines on my car is technically an option

[warm plinth]

Your mechanic should have told you that

[delicate patio]

Thanks!

[jagged pier]

personal preference

[rapid lance]

Do you think any of them got survivality problems?

[jagged pier]

also this macros are fine, i even use macros macro active mitigation to anything is bad

[jagged pier]

what content do u want to do

[rapid lance]

high keys

[jagged pier]

what do u mean by high

[rapid lance]

+17-18

[outer willow]

Damn girl that’s high

[fallow fern]

In raid, is there a general rule for how to manage SB.. like when not actively tanking.. do we only hit when we proc the free Slams or something like this? Trying to improve my damage in raid.. I play with another warrior that is out parsing me same ilvl.. but i suck at looking at the logs to see what im doing wrong..

[jagged pier]

then it dont matter both warriors and paladins have done it already

[round pendant]

warrior seems a lil stronger but maybe it's just cause more people are playing it

at that key range

[jagged pier]

u manage SB to hve 2 charges back for when u start tanking

[round pendant]

either is fine tho

[rapid lance]

So they can survive it?

[round pendant]

yes

[jagged pier]

well as they both have timed 17s and 18s

yes

[rapid lance]

i'LL TRY BOTH OF THEM

Warr Mountane Thane will be nerfed in 12.0.5?

[jagged pier]

at the moment yes

[rapid lance]

Not good

[jagged pier]

its an annoying nerf, but we should get some compensation for it. but it was a nerf aimed at fury and the devs dont seem to understand how bad it actually is for prot

[fallow fern]

Would you guys be willing to have a look at a log and attempt to tell me where I could improve..? or am I just slow on my rotation (im just an average joe lol)..

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NnbVWHvJRCkgMYpZ?fight=last

..if your willing

[nimble pilot]

How are some players topping warrior rankings warcraft logs with a protection warrior?

[jagged pier]

talents are wrong, your casts are low your missing a fair few casts a minute

[fallow fern]

Hmm thought i took the IV raid talents.. maybe I didn't..?

[jagged pier]

le me check mwahi could have changed them

[pallid yarrow]

What’s your opinion on the jellyfish trinket? Is it 💩? I don’t raid so don’t have access to the nice trinkets

[fallow fern]

I may have made a couple small changes but imported it from there

[jagged pier]

bad

[toxic pewter]

I just got that jellyfish trinket lol

[jagged pier]

yer theres some changes so thats not gunna help

[pallid yarrow]

Damn. Figured

[rapid lance]

Yup typical bvlizz balance

[jagged pier]

u over send on execute a bit u have the same casts as the other warrior of execute however, he has more casts in general so more rage

so he can afford to send execute that much

[warm plinth]

I thought they learned the last time they tried to change the cd reduction on tclap during Avatar, but I guess not.

Don't even think it made it to live servers the last time

[jagged pier]

u very rarely press execute as thane

u still press it for DWs but im rpetty sure u need to be higher than 40 rage cause sending an execute with less rage u should just revenge instead

cause execute is dodo

[fallow fern]

Did thay change from TWW? Cause I always saw other warrs doing way more execute dmg.. hence why I was trying to prioritize it more

[jagged pier]

but the tldr is press more buttons

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Execute was actually good in TWW

It's not now

[jagged pier]

yes it got nuked

[desert moss]

Hey all I desperately need help, could u tell me, is it ok to split the first pull in the academy like that, I know u can step away and de sinc the stacks but I just can’t… I just fail it all the time

[fallow fern]

Oh ok

[jagged pier]

yer u can split it, or just run bsv

[desert moss]

Already bricked 2 +13 s with that pull…

[fallow fern]

Sometimes I find i dont have anything to push... maybe cause SB is macroed to SS (which I will fix) but not sure that's the only issue

[desert moss]

I mean the giga one pull strategy

[jagged pier]

that will be one issue yes

and leading to y some of your casts are a little low

but they are a little low in general

thing is with warrior its all like one massive feedback loop u gte 1 thing wrong it makes everything else fall apart

so work on getting used to not having the macro

and it will improve a bit

and then we can take another look

etc etc

small improvements for us add up

[fallow fern]

Ok, should I be taking Thunderlord for more demo shouts?

[jagged pier]

that should give u more damage according to builds

masscre is pointless cause execute is terrible

[compact silo]

is critical block affected by crit chance as well or only mastery?

[jagged pier]

all the execute talents are dead

[jagged pier]

only mastery

[fallow fern]

I see the other tank has this.. plus also tough as nails

[compact silo]

yes

[toxic pewter]

that other tank is pumpin

[jagged pier]

yer they dropped shield spec its only heroic so thats technically fine for more damage

[toxic pewter]

is that ur guild

[fallow fern]

Ya he is lol

Ya

[toxic pewter]

r u guildies

maybe talk with them get some tips too over discord or some crap

plus info in here too ofc

[fallow fern]

I will, that was just last night

[toxic pewter]

that guy do big dam

gotta love big dam

he must have some nice trinket or some shit

[cerulean tusk]

If you didnt die to the swing, the talent is wasted, as such you should take a DPS talent instead - think of the time saved in keys when you focus on the most important aspect of being a tank, DPS

[toxic pewter]

ah yep got the gaze

[jagged pier]

i mean if your just looking at the one fight

hes cheesing on adds

[toxic pewter]

ah the dragon adds

there it is

boss dam still a 99

ddamn that trinket

[fallow fern]

Also, not sure how much of an issue it would be.. but it's an OCE guild and im not OCE lol.. would that be slowing me down?

[toxic pewter]

yeah prob

latency suk ass

[jagged pier]

a little

but not too much

[jagged pier]

yer but if u look at like ST fights they are alot closer in damage they guy still pumps tho, but is getting like 7 more casts per minute

and has a high dps talent build than ottus

[warm plinth]

He's also just playing better overall. His casts per minute on everything is better. He's also using proper talents and hitting adds so he has a lot more demo casts.

[toxic pewter]

lower ur spell queue window to 150 too that what i do help a lot

[toxic pewter]

makes sense

[warm plinth]

He's also using battle stance for most of the fight

[toxic pewter]

yeah that guy doin all the dam stuff lmao

[fallow fern]

Oh he's is battle stance?

Hmm

[jagged pier]

battle stance really doesnt make a massive difference

its not the facto thing here

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's like...3.5% or 4% difference in damage while it's active. It's not why he's doing like 70% more dps

[jagged pier]

its less

its 3% crit

[warm plinth]

3% crit + 3% crit damage

[jagged pier]

thats not 3% damage tho

[fallow fern]

How can I improve casts per minute? Just practicing the rotation?

[jagged pier]

ye

[jagged pier]

not wast rage sending SB when casting SS

[warm plinth]

And when doing so, don't waste rage because you will generate more. You're doing pretty well on rage waste right now, but speeding up as much as you need to will make it more difficult to avoid wasting.

[jagged pier]

this will lead to more SS rests through revenge which then leads to more rage and more rests etc the circle continues

[umbral atlas]

just as a quick update to my testing of the bug that's going around at the moment. it's not just a warrior thing, it seems to be affecting other classes too (mostly tanks though from what i can tell) on other classes it manifests itself as 1) constant and repeated removal of group buffs (like mark of the wild etc), 2) being flagged as hostile to the group and becoming unhealable and untargetable until death and 3) equipping profession gear mid-fight and resetting the profession gear visibility setting to always shown at the NPC, with warriors specifically it also 4) will cause to to drop out of defensive or battle stance into no-stance-at-all, finally with me only it also 5) changes flight style from steadyflying to skyriding.

whenever the bug happens between 1 and all 5 of these things happen

[round pendant]

game just works