protection

[strong forum]

Uninstalled, sub ran out a few days ago.

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-the-rock-smile-windy-handsome-gif-15812740

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/freedom-braveheart-musical-theater-6901DbEbbm4o0

[gray lintel]

Hey guys! I posted about how I was feeling a bit insecure while tanking m+ and you helped me out a ton. May I ask for your help once again? https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1489549710330036355

[drowsy comet]

for logs, all I have to do is download archon app and tahts it or is there more?

[jagged pier]

we dont self sustain

thats not how the spec works

[slender oak]

Hi guys, i just started out this season as prot warrior, now i'm kinda struggling with keeping shield block up, when i watch other people play even single target they have like ~15 seconds uptime at all times, while i barely have a few seconds unless it's trash packs.

Guides say spam shield slam and thunder clap off cd which i am, use shield block and never sit on 2 charges, but still...

Is there something i'm missing?

[jagged pier]

need logs

[ionic fern]

Peak reading.

[uneven snow]

did you use wowhead spec with into the fray instead of heavy repercussion? that was my problem

[slender oak]

Omg.....

Hit the nail on the head, might be the issue here yeah

[uneven snow]

u fell into the same noob trap as i did haha

[slender oak]

Thanks man! was looking, but somehow didn't check that talent at all...
Much appreciated

[drowsy comet]

Shouldnt we make fun of reddit here

[slender oak]

Man this feels sooo much better much tanks again

[ionic fern]

Reddit pushes people to discuss, i like that.
But when you read most of the threads there, they have..very interesting takes.
Even in that thread linked above, some people say "guides are only focused on 1% of top players", while others say "Guides are only focused on the new/mediocre players".

[ionic fern]

Remember to swap back to ITF later once youhave more haste and feel comfortable with it.

[drowsy comet]

"dungeons are so easy" sure bruh

[ionic fern]

uh?

[drowsy comet]

reading these kinda posts daily

for healers these "so easy" dungeons are such a stress

and ppl go in there massively undergeared

[ionic fern]

The ease of the dungeon for healers is similarly to the tank, tied to the DPS'ers.

If the DPS'ers do mechanics/kicks/use their cooldowns, it's a breeze.

But the same dungeon on the same level can also be a nightmare if the DPS'ers don't do anything.

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-image-format-ECCEjxHQb2Qo

[wicked plank]

What is the haste breakpoint for itf ? 30% ?

[slender oak]

Is there a breakpoint you suggest?
Or wouldn't it be possible in S1 since the lack of stats

[mild vessel]

I see that top Protection Warriors don't use Versatility, but tend to stack Haste and Critical Strike.
Is this because the Warrior is so resilient that they don't need Versatility, whether in Raids or M+?

[gray lintel]

there's been a couple times where a healer was healing me very little and I was told that they "usually can ignore other warriors since they can stay alive on their own", and things like "imagine dying as warrior". Is that just bs?

[jagged pier]

that points to u not mitigating correctly

not self sustain would need logs

[tribal wharf]

logs are the truth of wow combat

it will bury you or set you free

[tribal wharf]

here, they said chain,

im wondering if that was enough time, if i had done chain or double pulls in this tunnel

if we could have still made time?

6 and a bit minutes, seems like it was doomed at this point without divine intervention

[woven perch]

group had the interrupts to handle lich and skeleton mage, what were your deaths to

[tribal wharf]

its been the only 10 i've attempted period since tww.0/.1

so i m not in tune at all for what the timers should be at, for each boss,, on a 10

to time it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bPq8gCnBtpXvF2j6?fight=last https://youtu.be/iRIwBBcNVTI?si=eA5MmDxvmFKBeX_n

video unlisted

just a raw video file i shat out and raw uploaded to yt

but, dps just got insta sniped cuz i would miss taunt on some skeleton boy mad charging after druid hes got aggro on

wrong place wrong time, wrong button

wrong target, tend to do that sometimes

it was unlisted

so we had a pov

of why what happened in the log happened

not self pormo

cuz it got deleted just now

i saw it

im trying to get to core of why shits going wrong

log just show THAT it happen

that, im not hitting the buttons or i get hit from back

[woven perch]

so to save the tl/dr that i was typing, it looks like a lot of your deaths were kicks not happening

your groups deaths

those necromages getting off the big purple aoe i think 4 times and each time killed someone

1 time lock died cuz dps not focusing gargoyle

[daring marlin]

paladin sucks, should've used freedom

[tribal wharf]

sry i was about to be crashing out, i'll cut that off rn lol

[woven perch]

1 death on krik & ik cuz no kicks and dps not focusing down the fake Kriks fast so the kicks arent even needed

[tribal wharf]

but, like, i always have this issue, every expansion

im supposed to be blocking 85+% of attacks

melee

and then its 60% and im wastin rage, not hittin buttons

so i gotta figure it out once and for all

[woven perch]

you into the fray?

[ionic fern]

And like every expansion ever since you joined. it's the same exact issues that we have pointed out to you 50 times.

[tribal wharf]

yes, someone made a video, im aware right

the i cant remember his name

but it was basically echoing, you are bad, which was and is true

[ionic fern]

It was not.

It literally went over in detail minute by minute pointing out exactly what you did wrong.

[tribal wharf]

shield slam not pressing comes down to, im not in range, for some stupid range

thats its entire own issue

but, for avatar and demo shout

i have always had issue to get them to go together

and immediately use sc

even today, i will think i have hit avatar and demo

and i didnt hit demo, somehow, it didnt go off

but, ya, thats always been my intention to this expansion, take a look, see what its about, find out

we are in the finding out section now

but, that video mwhai is also unlisted

and then the main topics are, hit in the back, use leap for "show" something we talked about back then, random use of stomp

yellow names are cringing

[woven perch]

that run i'd attribute mostly the problem to kicks were bad, causing deaths, healer did fine, frost mob at the end was done poorly but run was fucked by the time you got to krick and ick

if doing 10 skyreaches has taught me anything, i don't trust DPS kicks anymore on important interrupts

[tribal wharf]

but yes,

i remember the video VERY well

thats not something i just shrugged off and oh its nothing

heres a way to put it, i realized it too

and i played all of bfa

all of shadowlands

quit half way into df

quit start of tww

[tribal wharf]

...

[solid sun]

What is going on here

Someone made a video about what yogi did wrong

[jagged pier]

Yes a long time time ago

He ignored it all

This is y we all just dont try and help him anymore cause thats the level of work we did put in

[solid sun]

Yogi why did you ignore all that hard work

Liquid had WA style addons for the memory game on last boss

Idk dudes

[jagged pier]

They have to input it

Its not done with computer

[ornate palm]

No strategy, only zug.

Live by the zug, die by the zug. Mostly die.

[solid sun]

I don’t think Yogi is mean enough to just intentionally ignore hard work like that

He never comes across mean spirited in interaction here

[tribal wharf]

and so, now thats another highest key over time

and worst to me is its with a guild person i know

[solid sun]

But he does kinda not respond to stuff

[tribal wharf]

i dont know them sorry

[solid sun]

So maybe he is a master ignorer

[tribal wharf]

but, good way to introduce myself scew up thier key

can you see now why

this game is driving me crazy

[solid sun]

Yogi why did you ignore all their hard work

[tribal wharf]

well that AA was going well

until that boss

and ppl just die

i dont have the link to that old shadowlands video they are talking about

its a theatre of pain

timers in video games just plain suck

any kind of a timer that is restrictive

[grim zinc]

As a person that hasn't played protection in 10 years, how hard is it going to be to pick up again?

[solid sun]

Have you been playing wow over the course of that 10 years

[grim zinc]

On and off

[solid sun]

Probably not too bad

Pwar is a fairly easy spec all things considered

IV guide is the one we recommend and we always answer questions here

[grim zinc]

Great! I'll give it a shot.

[tribal wharf]

god that doragosa fight is horrible

i think i had the exact same reaction in DF as well

"its free" at low keys

"its a nightmare" at 10 and up

[fringe mural]

lol the order system is rigged

If you get a multicraft proc the one making the order gets the stuff

if you get resourcefulness proc the crafter gets it

[grim zinc]

I was so happy when I +2'd my pit of saron key only to be devastated when it was an academy 14.

[fringe mural]

So as the crafter never go multicraft when crafting for randoms

[tribal wharf]

the entire game is rigged and bugged is the way i see it

[solid sun]

Tbh I’m disappointed

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdbDeqN79YE randomly showed up in my yt

dude talking about how to play col pwar for 13 minutes straight

[solid sun]

I always thought of yogi as an eccentric but kindly sort

My world view has been challenged this morning

[daring marlin]

of course he's canadian

[solid sun]

Turns out yogi is mean

[tribal wharf]

what in the

[solid sun]

No whirling blade

Is that VO missing

[tribal wharf]

its from the video above

[solid sun]

You can watch that video but not one made just for you to help you smh

[plush tendon]

No whirling blade and no outburst?

[tribal wharf]

so, now im getting youtube recommends

about how to play my spec wrong

[plush tendon]

that build is kind of cooked

[solid sun]

My BDK is 82 now augusto

Not having deaths echo was pretty poop so I adjusted the talents to go ahead and get it

[plush tendon]

yea, gotta have the double grip/da/dnd

you playing Unholy to level?

[solid sun]

No

Blood

[plush tendon]

give Unholy a try

its pretty fun

[solid sun]

That’s probably how I’ll raid

Blood dungeons and UH raid

I feel like that’s way more annoying to do as a warrior since different weapon loadouts

[plush tendon]

its quite easy as blood

you can just gear for unholy

and use the same loadout for blood

only caveat is to have some haste jewlry if you want to play San

and you gotta get used to changing runeforge

[solid sun]

Why

[plush tendon]

some runeforges are better for certain things

Blood ST/San: Rune of Sanguination

Blood DB: Rune of Fallen Crusader

Unholy: Rune of Apoc

[fringe mural]

not really, it changes your weapons automatically and both specs prio haste so

[solid sun]

Brother

[tribal wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/38W7RVqmNn6CZbxd?fight=last&source=1&type=resources&spell=101

i have a log for that AA i ran

[fringe mural]

or you mean because you need twice the weapons

[tribal wharf]

literal like 10 minutes ago now

[solid sun]

Yeppers

I don’t play the vampire tree, augusto

I just do the one that turns your blood boil into a blood freeze

[tribal wharf]

it seems like just the final boss that got us

[solid sun]

I didn’t know UH didn’t use fallen crusader though

[plush tendon]

yea, ive been rocking Death Bringer

[solid sun]

Fallen crusader has been the rune forever

[daring marlin]

At least it's not fallen crusader for all

and runeforging is a free enchant

[plush tendon]

yea, Im not sure why it changed to rune of apoc

but thats what supposed to do the most damage for unholy

[solid sun]

It’s going to be funny when apb witnesses me get one tapped in 10-12s

[plush tendon]

but thats why you have purgatory

[daring marlin]

impossible

what would one tap you?

[solid sun]

That’s just what blood does sometimes

It’s a feature

Well sometimes it isn’t being one tapped

Sometimes it’s just dying

And usually the less experienced you are with blood or the worse you are at blood the earlier in key levels that starts to happen

[coarse bay]

Purgatory is a defensive

And having healed a bdk recently, ive found that sometimes if they arent prepared, if you arent already casting a heal before the gather theyll die

[solid sun]

It’s a tough spec to play imo

I feel like blood and vengeance or paladin are the hardest

Of the tanks that is

[tribal wharf]

purgatory is just different BSV isnt it

same end effect, you dont die, i mean

[solid sun]

Purgatory is arguably the best cheat death iirc

[plush tendon]

Purg is better then BSV

since it only procs on death

BSV can proc at meaningless times

[solid sun]

You just have to heal and blood is very good at doing that

Or at least it was

Cat says it isn’t anymore

[plush tendon]

Im not so sure any of them are hard; I think them being a bit undertunned makes Paladin still the hardest

since you have to juggle your CDs so much

[solid sun]

I mean

I think if a tank spec is prone to dying it’s hard

[plush tendon]

but those, plus Prot War, are the tanks I play

soooo

I prob a bit biased

[plush tendon]

I think thats a difference of opinion; like Prot Pal Season 1.5 of War Within was the meta tank, but it was hard to play properly

Prot Pal right now isnt as hard.... but its just so damn squishy that it falls over

[coarse bay]

Prot pal in s2 was painful

Heck priory

[plush tendon]

I skipped S2 of War Within

[coarse bay]

Smart

Bad ppal season

[plush tendon]

I thought it was a VDH season?

[coarse bay]

It was

I still usually push my ppal the furthest out of my tanks

[plush tendon]

I stopped playing my paladin as much after Season 1

I was getting really ticked off at pre wogging for block chance

for spells

[coarse bay]

Ya

Pretty lame

[plush tendon]

actually cringe behavior

[coarse bay]

I think thisll be the first season my ppal takes a back seat

[plush tendon]

let me heal myself at full health so I can block spells

IDK, Im enjoying mine

hes just not gonna see anything larger then a 12 for a bit

but the spec plays fairly nice IMO

I just think its baseline defensive are way too low

[coarse bay]

For sure

[plush tendon]

and its ST leaves some room to be desired

but that about it

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t play paladin this season

I would murder the group in nexus point on that last boss

One poorly timed divine toll

Gg

[coarse bay]

At least doing it in arakara was funny

That one in nexus is just a splat

[solid sun]

@plush tendon can you give us the lore behind the bdk civil war

[cerulean tusk]

Folklore tell about a secret tech, one much foul and evil, one that is whispered in hushed tones in fear and awe, one where you activate spell reflect and then mass interrupt

[solid sun]

I’m about to eat breakfast and would love a good story time

[plush tendon]

theres a BDK civil war?

[solid sun]

There was

[cerulean tusk]

He talking about the Archeus split, and want you to spill some tea about it

[plush tendon]

there was?

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, smh

[plush tendon]

news to me

[solid sun]

Alright cat you’re up!

[cerulean tusk]

you a bad source to call upon apparently

[solid sun]

Spill the tea

[plush tendon]

yea, spill

[cerulean tusk]

I wont, I got standards

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

Cat

[cerulean tusk]

I dont cower news that drag in ppl and I cant just brush it off as a fool

nn Rhino

[plush tendon]

what a tease

[solid sun]

Mandl and his armies

Vs Kyrasis and the Russians

I got my eggs here. Some sausage. Coffee. I’m ready for an epic tale

[plush tendon]

oh that

thats been going on for ages

Kyrasis has his own guide for how to play BDK that is antithetical to the one posted from the discord/wowhead/icyveins

[solid sun]

In what way is it antithetical

Surely there are only so many ways to build your talents out

[plush tendon]

its not really just talents; it be things like rune tap/no rune tap

stack vers or sim

[cerulean tusk]

it is a battle of ego's, a battle of theoretical and practical

[plush tendon]

UE or no UE

[solid sun]

Mandl specs UE now. I saw that

[plush tendon]

use cheat death trinket or not

[cerulean tusk]

Some would say all paths lead to Rome, some would die on their hill saying all paths lead to themselves

[plush tendon]

the opprotunity cost of using it is no longer the same

[solid sun]

Tbh

I find these things fascinating

Theoretical vs practical

You can’t argue with math unless the math is wrong

But sometimes the proof is in the pudding, as grandma would say

[plush tendon]

there are top preforming BDKs on both sides of the isle; idk, I dont really think too much on it

but the 'split' has been going on since forever

quite frankly, there is a lot of pushback amongst the playerbase for all tank reasources

I know a lot of people dont trust guides from wowhead/icy veins

[cerulean tusk]

Good thing we push against things in here and can be civil about it

[plush tendon]

some prefer to get their info from streamers or just see what top keys are doing

[undone beacon]

Y’all see that big ol reddit post warning tanks not to use wowhead or icyveins at all

That was neat

[plush tendon]

I did

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, Mwahi did kinda troll

no?

[ionic fern]

That was peak comedy read.

[cerulean tusk]

oh, Mwahi

I didnt see you

Oh my

[ionic fern]

[solid sun]

It’s just interesting

No reason to be emotional about it

[plush tendon]

it is; with so much access to information, how do you know what to trust

[cerulean tusk]

If you dont feel emotional about something, it aint worth the time either tho.

This be human nature at its core

[jovial holly]

Wasnt the point of that post saying to just not blindly paste talent exports?

[solid sun]

Idk cat

[plush tendon]

you got streamers saying one thing, wowhead (which historically has been a pretty trusted resource) saying another, you got top keys running something totally different

[solid sun]

I think being interested in something while not overly invested can be helpful

Learning is good!

[cerulean tusk]

Who cares about productivity, when you can cause drama and lama

[undone beacon]

No the point of the post was that wowhead/icyveins guides promote bad tanking because they prioritize damage

[plush tendon]

^ yea, that was the key point

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, I know where they are coming from with that title alone

[undone beacon]

Like I get it. Most of the post centered around VDH shit I don’t know about and most of the comments were about PPAL taking sentinel or not so

[plush tendon]

yea, prot war is very simple XD

our talents basically choose themselves

[cerulean tusk]

this is herecy!

[wary gyro]

hes talking about +7 to +10 keys i think theres probably some bigger issue happening than just the talents there

[plush tendon]

oh 100%

[undone beacon]

But it’s also like, idk a lot of tanking is more about skill than talents

Yeah

[plush tendon]

the real fix to all of this is to log review

but its a lot easier to blame talents/gear

then gameplay

[cerulean tusk]

I will also argue that if you die in 7, you could have lived with some more safety-net talents

[undone beacon]

I could run execute build and time 10s because I know how to play a prot warr

[jagged pier]

I mean if it resolves around 7 to 10 keys thats just not good play

[jagged pier]

Weve had tones of ppl already saying dropping 3 apex has increased their surcivbility in 10s when most likely they are just taking bsv, and tbe other points are doing nothinf

I myself even think u should take bsv in some keys past 12

[tribal wharf]

they game is too much complicated

[cerulean tusk]

BSV can save someone in a low key, even LS can

[plush tendon]

I run BSV all the time tbh

[tribal wharf]

is my take away

[jagged pier]

But if you dying in 7 10s you are jusy playing wrong

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

its overly complicated everywhere

[plush tendon]

even if it dont proc; Im just lazy to change talents

[undone beacon]

Just drop shield spec 4head we are already shield specialists

[jagged pier]

I only ran it in aa because it makes the key free and it was the last 1 i needed for legend

[plush tendon]

... I do 😛

[tribal wharf]

too much shit on the ground too many buffs and monsters and spells and stats

there is too much going on

[jagged pier]

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1175211241925525604.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[cerulean tusk]

Just remember, this isnt a question of "does playing better fix the problem", it is a "does this talent help negate the problem the individual is facing"

If the problem is a tank dying due to lack of healing, or a too high DTPS situation, then having those extra HP refills help immensly.

Do I need them? Not at all. Can I see how it would help someone else? Yes, I can.

[jagged pier]

No i get bsv does that, i disagree ls and indom are helping the ppl that switch at all

[plush tendon]

Indom and LS I dont get

[undone beacon]

But if the issue revolves around swapping a talent to compensate for poor play, it’s silly to turn around and say that “the guides set me up for failure”

[jagged pier]

They just take all 3 and go wow im not dying, which is what bsv is doing 'kinda'

They just not noticing

[cerulean tusk]

LS is an emergency health refill, that is efficent in lowkeys where healer lacks awareness of the tank rotting away. It is basically a restart.

Indom is an anti-rot tool that got value in low keys as DTPS vs HPS is closer.

[undone beacon]

I’d be willing to bet players that lean on Last Stand have never hit Impending Victory in their life

[jagged pier]

But both of those dont matter if u jave bsv ither way it will proc and heal u anyway

[plush tendon]

if it works for them, good for them; I still think its a bandaid fix and they be better off learning how to play better

[cerulean tusk]

Mhm, but it is about layers and degrees of failure prevention

[solid sun]

I’m sure some of it is like if their preferred streamer says something that’s contrary to what the guide or we say, they feel compelled to “defend” their streamer. Not much critical thought to be had

[plush tendon]

quite frankly, its a part of the community I just dont understand

[cerulean tusk]

The more layers, the safer you are

[jagged pier]

Im just saying ppl should follow the guide and use the flex poitn for bsv and it would be the same effect they are seeing after dropping 3 apex talents

[plush tendon]

I cant imagine failing a 10

regardless of what build I run

[jagged pier]

Well ppl do

Ppl fails 2,3,4, etc etc

[plush tendon]

yea, thats the problem; I cant visualize or empathize with their viewpoint

[solid sun]

Yeah my friends have failed two 10s the last two nights

[plush tendon]

to me, its nonsensical

[cerulean tusk]

Again, it isnt about what someone who knows what is up, can do. It is about layers of fail safes.

If you disagree that LS, BSV and indom are tools that act as that, then we got something to argue about

[jagged pier]

But your elitest

[undone beacon]

Watched my friends guild group fail a 10 caverns last night. Overpulled, brew tank kept popping like a grape, people failed boss mechanics

[solid sun]

And now my bear friend is done playing bear

[tribal wharf]

well, the players who are failing 2 3 and 4 keys are like

they are like 10 times more oblivious than i am

in worse gear illv and stats

[solid sun]

Sometimes it’s hard to know what to do

There are still bosses I’m confused on

[jagged pier]

Ls and indom do somthing in higher keys for sure but for the pll failing 10s i disagree they wont be playing correctly to get use out of indom cause they wont soend rage to make it worth while and ive seen enough low key logs they dont press sw

But bsv they would get use out of

[tribal wharf]

thats like the whole team is pug and 50/50 blues and veteran gear, avg ilvl of probably 233

[jagged pier]

Cause i bet they out it down to like 1 or 3 deatbs oved a key which bsv would prevent

[solid sun]

Idk what the arrows on the jellyfish boss mean. Is that who I’m getting ducked to? Is that who I’m supposed to fight? Do I fight the ones that are shielded or target the one that isn’t? No clue

I just hit everything

[jagged pier]

If your gunna die the 10% hp from indom will do nothing

U will die anyway

[waxen frigate]

Tells you which you need to kill when they shield

[cerulean tusk]

I will argue that BSV and LS both are good value to reset a situation, and in low keys Indom is efficent HPS

It is purely a matter of HPS vs DTPS, and any effect even if low and not optimised will slow a death by seconds. And that is enough for a healer to react (that is of lower level)

[plush tendon]

omg, are we gonna have a Prot War civil war

[undone beacon]

My issue is that while yes, these are layers of fail safes in the right situations, the people who are swapping to them aren’t doing so because they know how to leverage them well. It builds bad habits when we should be encouraging them to learn to play better. Even if they do start timing 10s because they live, they then come in here asking why their damage is low and when we suggest dropping those bandaid failsafes, they go back to failing because they never learned good rage management or defensive use, they just relied on BSV/Last Stand, Indom

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

Indom is never gunna save for a few seconds its not that strong

[cerulean tusk]

Again, I dont disagree with the point they could play better.

I never di.

[tribal wharf]

one thing i really disrespect about AA is how there is all the giant green circles on first pull, that they disorient you, so EVERY SINGLE TIME, if you dont move out of them on fort, they just go attack the team

[cerulean tusk]

What I argue is that it is layers, that reinforce upon themselves, making the experience feel safer for the individual tank that choses to take them.

[tribal wharf]

and you cant block or dodge or whatever during that

[cerulean tusk]

Remember, low keys are not high keys.

[waxen frigate]

Good comms

[tribal wharf]

so you HAVE to move out, or the key is just over

[undone beacon]

I just think low keys are where people need to learn the basics of the spec to really succeed, and adding these “defensive layers” doesn’t serve the goal of improving gameplay, just allowing sloppier gameplay to succeed

[cerulean tusk]

What kills you is not getting overwhelmed through CDs, it is in 90% of cases simply rotting and wasting away. As healer doesnt react properly.

[jagged pier]

Exactly and they get their builds from high keys

[cerulean tusk]

Let kids use safety wheels, it is fine. Even if they dont actually help them while biking, it allows them to feel safe while learning how to ride.

[jagged pier]

Lets also not forget a kot of these ppl are also taking itf and bb in these builds

[cerulean tusk]

Once they feel safe, you remove them, and the kid notices there was no difference and no need

[jagged pier]

Which dont help with tankiness at all

[undone beacon]

But that’s a healer issue. Low keys are also where healers learn. Everyone needs to at some point. Healers gimp themselves if their tank in a 7 runs all defensive layers, and then freak out when their tank in a 12 needs attention

[cerulean tusk]

That is just life, Pash. But you shouldnt live for others future

live for the present

[undone beacon]

I mean, that’s kinda a silly sentiment in a game about improving personal performance ngl

If I brick a key because I played bad, I learned and do better in the next one

[plush tendon]

we care about improving preformance; some people just wanna get the key done XD

[cerulean tusk]

For most, it is just a place to chill, not to strive to improve

[plush tendon]

getting better isnt a goal

[solid sun]

We are making a lot of assumptions rn

[plush tendon]

we have to

[undone beacon]

I guess. Those players are just in a different league than the average class discord user I suppose

[plush tendon]

no clue who these players are

[cerulean tusk]

We got to, or there wont be a dicussion

[plush tendon]

the TBC players I play with maybe come close?

[undone beacon]

Yeah the whole thing is based on generalizations of the community lol

[plush tendon]

but its a whole set of people I have no interaction with

[solid sun]

Well

[jagged pier]

Wanna get a key done yet blindky copy top ppl using itf when they could just tun hr and not die cause no gaps

But no top ppl not running bad talent

[solid sun]

I think what’s missing is that they’re being logical

And then treated like they aren’t

[cerulean tusk]

I am litteraly saying they are acting logical

[plush tendon]

I mean, everyone is logical in their own worldview

[cerulean tusk]

they are solving their issue

:(

[solid sun]

Not you cat

[jovial holly]

The average player isnt looking at a yt video, let alone a class discord on how to play, they're just pressing buttons

[cerulean tusk]

Rhino, you are supposed to act outraged, this is how you build things up - get ppl riled up

[solid sun]

Nah I love everyone here

[cerulean tusk]

You are no fun

[solid sun]

But I am squishy

And that’s fun

[cerulean tusk]

Should have used indom

[tepid sparrow]

tough as nails is neat

[solid sun]

If I’m dying on pwar

[undone beacon]

I just am not one to support choices based on the need shore up personal inefficiencies because someone isn’t willing to take a few minutes to read a guide, BUT I only pay my own sub so it’s whatever

[plush tendon]

quite frankly, I dont even know what the profile of the average wow player is

[plush tendon]

it is! does big dammies

[undone beacon]

It’s like the guy who came in here the other day with a flat 0 H Beloren parse. Didn’t hit shield block once

He got the kill though

Whatever works

[plush tendon]

lets go

[jagged pier]

Average player usually isnt doing m+ or doing very low m+

There are more players that dont partake in m+ than do

[solid sun]

Collectors

Gotta be the average wow player

[tepid sparrow]

i had 1 tank fail on heroic chim. taunted the big guy, tried to gather the nerds, got carried away trying to interrupt the ranged add, and took a non-shield wall collosal strike to the face and it rekt me. i think i might have been outranging the pres tho

[fringe mural]

myth+ is very niche

for most of the players

[daring marlin]

LOL

[jagged pier]

I mena u can see it in io stats u get like a 1millon chars in eu usually that run 1 m+ at least it hink

[jovial holly]

I play regularly with (many) people who I think are above the average player and they dont have any concept of even how to look at self improvement outside of give excuses and mash buttons harder

[jagged pier]

So that involves alts etc

[cerulean tusk]

Turn that logic towards a more likely situation:
You are Joe, you play a couple hours a day, a few days of the week. You are a tank, you want to be tanky.

You done some homework, you copied a guide, yet you notice that you feel squishy. So you look through your talents.

"Hm, I seem to die, what is this? 10% HP and % health regen?" ... "Well that makes sense, oh what is this, a big heal? I will take this too."

They are extremely logical actors. Dont expect them to think "I got a problem in a game, I should find someone elses opinion and ways to resolve this"

That is not gaming, that is copying. It isnt fun.

[fringe mural]

I think it's great they included some sort of ingame guide throw m+

[undone beacon]

I think the average wow player is Chuck Johnson, a middle aged father of three who logs in one, maybe two nights a week to fly around the world, do some quests, drink a beer, and maybe queue up for a normal dungeon with his buddy Bill who is going through a nasty divorce

[fringe mural]

with the lindormi buff

[jovial holly]

I think so too

[fringe mural]

Blizzard themselves said the players of today are the nerds of 2010

[jovial holly]

But their name is Bill Bobson

[fringe mural]

now grown with kids or not

but less time

and motivation

they just use the game to chill

[tribal wharf]

also

there is drama bc sylvannas is back or something?

[fringe mural]

is she already? Didnt run the scenario yet

[plush tendon]

spoiler!

I havnt done March yet

[tribal wharf]

is it really? i saw beluar and the streamers talking about it go

[undone beacon]

But the main conceit there is that you didn’t “do some homework”, you copied a guide and looked through your talents. You didn’t use any other part of the resource available to you that you ripped the talents from.

I’m not saying that picking Indom or whatever is “illogical”, but I’m saying it’s a bandaid solution to a problem that can be mitigated better through better play. The average Joe might not care, which is fine! I don’t pay their sub. But when they turn around and come here saying we’re wrong, or post on reddit saying the guides are bad, or complain on the forums that tanks are bad, I’m going to think they’re irrational.

[tribal wharf]

and i mean we got wind runners dungeon

[fringe mural]

Blizzard confirmed she'll return

[tribal wharf]

so like, how is it a surprise that shes in the story some how

[plush tendon]

yea, but Windrunner tower has been in the game since TBC

was a questline in there back in the day

ya silly goober

[tribal wharf]

its its own DUNGEON now is what im saying

thats a big deal

[fringe mural]

In the prequest arathor went to her in the maw

Asking her to come back

And help

[plush tendon]

spoiiiiler

I didnt pay attention to the storymode

[fringe mural]

this was before midnight

[cerulean tusk]

you missed the main point

[plush tendon]

[fringe mural]

mr spoiler

[solid sun]

Why do paladin guides not take sentinel?

[undone beacon]

I fundamentally disagree with that point

But that is also a highly subjective matter

[solid sun]

Idk they can just turn on the assistant and have everything highlighted for them. Don’t need guides anymore

[daring marlin]

I wanna do DAMAGE

[solid sun]

How much damage do you do when you’re dead

[undone beacon]

I think building my character out, optimizing, finding the balance between damage and tankiness, playing well, all of this is fun to me. It’s my subjective approach to gaming. I want to emphasize again I didn’t say anyone was illogical or stupid or whatever for doing what they do, but that also doesn’t mean I’m going to encourage they do it

[daring marlin]

Keep up SotR and stand in consecrate you'll be fine

[solid sun]

But paladins are paper

This is known

[daring marlin]

bzzzzt wrong try again

[plush tendon]

tbh, Im not sure why the wowhead guide doesnt have a note detailing when to use sent

[solid sun]

Idk Augusto just said it

[undone beacon]

And when people do the same back to me and try to talent choices that are superfluous with good play, or wholesale dismiss tanks or tank players as bad, that’s their subjective experience and I don’t have to agree with it

[daring marlin]

Paladins sure aren't crying about a fire dot in skyreach

[solid sun]

And Augusto is good

[clever yacht]

Holy shit do you guys pull the whole room AA +15 I’m not a dwarf and cannot survive it.

[undone beacon]

Because doing 7s with Indom isn’t fun to me

[daring marlin]

or bleeds in general

[undone beacon]

#splitthepull

Blizzard hates us and made AA suck now sorry

[plush tendon]

like, id recommend crit wings initially, but there should be a note/caveat detailing when Sent is appropriate

[clever yacht]

Yeah I’m going to have to

[solid sun]

When is sent appropriate?

[tribal wharf]

if you dont want to suffer brain rot in AA pull 1

split it pretty much in half

[plush tendon]

I speced into it when I did ?? Nul on my Prot Pal

it helped me have CD coverage for all tank busters

[tribal wharf]

pack of 3 with the 2 plants to left, then chain other side of room in

[undone beacon]

Sent is never appropriate because ppal is never appropriate

[plush tendon]

I prob couldve done it with crit wings, but it was much easier to have the extra defensive CD to plan around

[tribal wharf]

but then again, i suck at wow and that dungeon

[undone beacon]

Yogi you’re a gamer

[tribal wharf]

went to run it 8 and proc bsv to pack 1 cuz green circle

[clever yacht]

3050 io and getting rolled in that pull

Other tanks no problems

[tribal wharf]

then we bricked it because i'm not putting boss exactly way they want

[daring marlin]

Whereas I man moded it with crit wings 😤

[undone beacon]

Pretty sure every tank struggles with that pull haha

[daring marlin]

both valid memes aside

[undone beacon]

It’s a hard DPS check and tank skill check

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPOF5FgG3DU

that keystone when i realize im going to brick it

[solid sun]

How do you kite if you have to stand in consecration

[undone beacon]

They really wanted to discourage the full room pull this season

[plush tendon]

honestly, just detailing when you take certain choice nodes or detailing why they arent recommended would go a long way for people who review guides

[daring marlin]

If you kite you're not getting hit

[plush tendon]

like looking at the Prot Pal wowhead guide, its basically just 'here are the talents, now leave'

very little information beyond that

[solid sun]

But there are ranged mobs and dots

[undone beacon]

Does ppal have a similar wowhead vs icyveins type beat

[daring marlin]

Plus pallies are probably one of the best tanks for certain big pulls

Two guardian charges, ardent defender, guardian cheat at low hp, bubble taunt

[plush tendon]

which I think is a core reason there is outrage/frustration from people saying the guides arent helpful

[daring marlin]

That's crazy value

[plush tendon]

if you explain the thought process, people are receptive to that

[plush tendon]

yea, but once those tools are gone

[lofty glen]

why does randoms always wipe at pulls like this in HC? 🙁

[tribal wharf]

hold on

[solid sun]

I mean we have that here too

I made Nimchip use all caps on me yesterday

[daring marlin]

Invite good dps

👍

[solid sun]

Okay come dps for me

[daring marlin]

I'm trash

[solid sun]

Try again

[jovial holly]

Had a 12 nexus point where my ele by the end had 2 whole interrupts

[daring marlin]

Failed another 15AA last night by like 2s

most unfortunate

[plush tendon]

15s way too high for me

[daring marlin]

One dps was a little low

[plush tendon]

Im a 12 only gamer now

[undone beacon]

AA sucks bro worst key this season

[plush tendon]

[daring marlin]

And we had a couple deaths

But it was smooth otherwise

[plush tendon]

I like AA, but its hard to time

[daring marlin]

I'm still amused last boss and tree are the two shit bosses

[undone beacon]

It’s gonna be my holdout key for each resil I feel it now

[plush tendon]

I think Caverns is my least favorite

[daring marlin]

Crawth and Vex, historically the hard bosses, are cake

wtf is that

[solid sun]

Does Ppal still only heal itself when it has free wogs

[undone beacon]

Tree boss feels fine to me idk, except that on a shadow priest I get out-padded because I can’t dot all the lil fucks

[daring marlin]

wog should be ogcd

It's a crime that it isn't

[torn gulch]

they cut too much of the timer in AA it's as simple as that

32 minutes was appropriate

[plush tendon]

also, the mobs afte the first boss room are quite scary

[tribal wharf]

so this AA final boss

the group was showing me something like this

[plush tendon]

idk, AA final boss I think is easy sauce

[tribal wharf]

bit of a remix of that image we were posting the other day

[torn gulch]

I think you start at the start of the room

[plush tendon]

I pull him back to a corner, and kite around the room

once it fills up with pools

[daring marlin]

True and real

[solid sun]

@daring marlin

Do you only wog when it’s free?

[daring marlin]

They also nerfed the flight buffs

like why

[daring marlin]

I do

[tribal wharf]

they shwoed that too, but its like, the boss like, sort of sits there casting things if i try to make it walk

[plush tendon]

ideally yea

[tribal wharf]

to door, right at start

[plush tendon]

sometimes you might have to wog when it isnt

[daring marlin]

Compared to before I mean

[solid sun]

Is it more or less fun than bdk

[daring marlin]

It's way less annoying as tank as she doesn't breath now

[tribal wharf]

so my compromise would be to pull it like that

[plush tendon]

so Crit Wings->Divine Toll->big hammer is VERY fun

[daring marlin]

HUUUUGE

[plush tendon]

plus captain america shield is awesome

[solid sun]

And laser cannons

[daring marlin]

especially with apex giving 3 hp

[solid sun]

3 hp

Their apex is indom

[plush tendon]

holy power

[solid sun]

Interesting

[plush tendon]

to me, prot pal is more fun in AoE then blood

less fun in cleave/st

[fringe mural]

Captain america shield has to be the most fun part of the pala

at all

[solid sun]

Everything has felt worse to me

From TWW to Midnight

[daring marlin]

ST is the only time I feel like a noodle

Mosly playing ret now tho cuz even in M+ spec they still do great ST damage

AND PUZZLEBOX OWNS @undone beacon

[plush tendon]

Ret really good

[undone beacon]

CUCKLEBOX

[plush tendon]

honestly, S tier DPS for weekly keys

[tribal wharf]

more like take unblocked attack box

[young oasis]

Fuck me, Colossus is mega buffed. Was already playing it and was amazing.

[daring marlin]

I wonder if you can use it with demolish to still be able to block while casting 🤔

we had weird fuckery like that with bladestorm

[solid sun]

Did you guys see APB featured on McConnell’s stream

[daring marlin]

Was mccuck glazing him?

[young oasis]

Will be prepared for it. Since hero talents released, I only played colossus. Even s3 TWW. I was one of top highest scote m+ while it lasted (not cause of skill, because no one played it)

[solid sun]

He was

It started with him laughing about APB playing vulpera

Then APB destroyed the dungeon and he was ready to hop on apb’s lap

100%

[waxen frigate]

Tell that to Reddit they’ll freak out

[daring marlin]

babies

[solid sun]

I probably just need to eat more sardines

That’ll increase my skill to Nish’s level

And then I can enjoy wow again

[plush tendon]

I gotta read the comments of that post more

but, Im also not in danger of dying in 12s.... so

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-whatever-i-do-what-i-want-gif-5247872

[daring marlin]

what post was this lol

[tribal wharf]

well i know about mcconnel

and he was after some loot or carrying or something

[solid sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/BTmGrDQyY7

[fringe mural]

you should try being old

helps you not giving a f about streamers and their opinions

[solid sun]

It was cool seeing one of our regulars featured on a stream like that

Getting glazed

[tribal wharf]

for me its just streamer i enjoy is online

doing thing person enjoys doing

okay, i'll come watch

example there is 1 guy plays pretty much nothing but doom

and so i watch

[fringe mural]

i either play myself

or do stuff in the house

no time to chill and watch other people play

[tribal wharf]

hey blizzard

once again your game is BROKEN

[fringe mural]

maybe those guys are really hard on those servers

so it has to be emphasized

[hardy snow]

"again" could be used if it was fixed at some point

[jagged pier]

None of us like m+ enough or have the time to push keys

[tribal wharf]

i think its an addon but what in the fuck lmao

[jagged pier]

best we had was andy

he used to ask nome for build then push to rank 1

[solid sun]

Yeah

Well APB putting in work now

Said he might go for title but we probably have several of those

[jagged pier]

apb is known for rank 1 arms warrior in solo shuffle

[tribal wharf]

talk is cheap

[solid sun]

Pretty slick

[tribal wharf]

i have probably claimed many times i will get 3k

never did

thank god, that failed 8 aa doesnt count for shown score

i can forget it ever happened

they could find it, but they'd have to look

[daring marlin]

this is true

[solid sun]

You sound like you love keys

And are already attempting 14s and 15s

Isn’t that currently title range

[daring marlin]

I have some 14s and a 15 timed

[drowsy comet]

unemployed ppl

[daring marlin]

But I also have time for 2-3 keys a day max

[jagged pier]

the biggest correlation to high score is time

[daring marlin]

Unless it's an offday

[jagged pier]

its literally time

if u have the time and the want u will just push

[plush tendon]

my guild regularly uses Sense's stream for raid prog

[solid sun]

Nice

[plush tendon]

big Sense fans

also, big Critcake fan

[jagged pier]

he was in the mdi once

and no one could figure out why he was play prot

when it was like just behind bdk

[daring marlin]

he was owning too

[jagged pier]

'must be to buff the warlock with banner'

[plush tendon]

bro, S3/S4 SL Prot War

was awesome

[jagged pier]

no its because prot warrior isnt shit like all u streamers said it was

[plush tendon]

I loved it

was very fun to play to

[solid sun]

How far did he make it

[plush tendon]

BDK that season was strong but so degenerate

[jagged pier]

pretty sure it was US final 4 teams

whatever showed up on stream broadcast

[cobalt inlet]

whats the haste % that is our gola?

[jagged pier]

as much as possible

[coarse bay]

@solid sun if you find my balls ping me

[solid sun]

I didn’t know you golfed

[coarse bay]

I used to at least weekly but its been like a year so im playing horriblt

[solid sun]

You’ll get back into the swing of things soon

Second half you’ll catch up

[coarse bay]

It’s getting better but ive been leaving some cammy balls for future golfers

[solid sun]

Helping lift up the next generation

How kind

[coarse bay]

[tribal wharf]

just imagine

hes gunna lose that ball in the woods or the lake

and someone will think hes a street fighter guy

[drowsy comet]

lul out dps´d a deva evoker hihh

[urban bane]

lmao

[drowsy comet]

and I got a heart of wind, ggs

[tribal wharf]

here we go again

do it till i get it right

[drowsy comet]

first try heart of wind, meanwhile on my druid im looking for it for literal days...

slowly getting back to tanking, taking mini steps

[fringe mural]

is there also +7 casual?

[jagged pier]

ye

[fringe mural]

are you trolling me?

[jagged pier]

no its a setting u can have carried offered, relaxed or competitive u have to choose 1 when making the key

[fringe mural]

oh

so it's the amount of tryhardness you're willing to deal with

kinda

[jagged pier]

kinda ye

[fringe mural]

i see, i wondered what exactly a competitive abundance group is

in contrast to a relaxed one

so relaxed is more like a dolph lundgren healer approach

towards the tank

just chill and finish, time doesnt matter

if he dies, he dies

[solid sun]

I feel it’s a little subjective

I kind of assume relaxed is still trying to time it but we aren’t tryna be dicks

Casual is more like idc if it times or not

Competitive means it better time and if it doesn’t someone’s gonna be racist

[fringe mural]

gotcha

[solid sun]

Probably more fair to say competitive means if you aren’t going to time it they’re going to forfeit

I don’t really buy into forfeiting rn because I still need more gear

So I list everything as relaxed

[fluid widget]

I do the same, competitive feels like it gets the tryhards who only want to push

[tribal wharf]

tank issue

ya, that method works better

[drowsy comet]

the only dungeon I am struggling with routing is actually Pit and Seat, these 2 are abit hard to route. The rest Im quite comfortable with

Yea +2s as I need to gear my boy up but so far it feels good to be tanking again

[tribal wharf]

algethar is hard due to final boss and first trash

horrific demonic gameplay design in those spots!

[drowsy comet]

yea

first pull can be rough, the boss is quite easy as your team has to stick with you

[solid sun]

Split the plants

Lust the tree

[drowsy comet]

and if no lust

[solid sun]

Drums

[warm plinth]

And if no drums, pray

[tribal wharf]

and if no paladin or priest to pray for you

rip and tear

until it is done

[ruby void]

Hey folk, about what is the haste needed to drop HR?

[undone beacon]

1188

[lofty glen]

little achiv 😄

[plush tendon]

I prefer 1066

[jagged pier]

good year

[plush tendon]

I knew Jakey would get it

[jagged pier]

like someone in the UK doesnt know when the battle of hasting was

actually the younger generation probably doesnt

[lofty glen]

you mean generation "6 7" ?

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

I play lots of Paradox games

so I have a uncommon knowledge of important dates in Euro history

[tribal wharf]

did somebody say 6 7

[drowsy comet]

for the PTR change, is Thane getting nerfed so Colossus gets buffed?

[plush tendon]

on PTR, Thane is nerf, Col got buffed

prob indepedent of each other tbh

[lofty glen]

well at this time the knowledge you get from assasincreed (early parts) is also "uncommon" XD

[plush tendon]

I used to love AC

[toxic gyro]

1410?

[drowsy comet]

maybe we gonna play colossus then who knows

[tribal wharf]

i am horribly bad with dates

[plush tendon]

Silly Teutons

but EU4 start date is Nov 11, 1444 so from then to 1821 is when the game takes place

[lofty glen]

pls not

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9F0ydAGuyE this game is how i learned about the boston tea party

[toxic gyro]

Battle of Grunwald but your answer was pretty much it. Not bad

[plush tendon]

as a American, I'd give myself a A++++

[tribal wharf]

and the only thing i ever did in this game, is i would load my ships up with a bunch of troops, and then raid the indian camps until they gave horses and cannons

what a great game

dunno why its in french

cuz it was super easy to die in this game is all i remember for sure

[toxic pewter]

he not wrong LMAO

[plush tendon]

based

[jagged pier]

[daring marlin]

based

[drowsy comet]

lmao

[delicate patio]

Is there a recommended UI and addons set up for Prot Warrior?

[jagged pier]

nope everything u need is in the default ui

[plush tendon]

UI is a very personal thing; the base UI gets you like 95% of the way there (and some people get a UI that works for them with no add-ons)

there are some notable add-ons; I really like Better Cooldown manager

[drowsy comet]

You should check out Ayije´s Cooldown manager, easier and imo better because you can show more things and have more options

[plush tendon]

Im actually a fan of less options

I get a little overwhelmed from too much customization

I just need something that works and fits my needs

[drowsy comet]

ah, valid tbh

[plush tendon]

I think the two things I use for the CDM is the CDM centered cause I like it centered visually

and BCDM because I like their reasource bar (and its crazy its not in the base UI!)

[coarse bay]

Ive found ellesmereui to be very easy to customize and has anything you need

[plush tendon]

when I first looked at ellesmereui it wasnt done yet

IDK, maybe this weekend I might try to clean some stuff up

but what I got is working soooo

[coarse bay]

Ya its hard to change once u got something that works

Ellesmere has had some ups and downs but i havent had any problems with it

I hate building ui’s but eui has actually been enjoyable

[daring marlin]

same tbh

[fringe mural]

I raided with standard interface for years with no issues and just made what is now the buffbars and cd icons with weakauras

Which i dont need anymore now

because standardui is fine for that

i never found a good place for my hp bar though

If i put it to close to the center my view narrows too much and my surrounding awareness gets worse

if it's too far away i dont notice when i'm low

or too late

[drowsy comet]

Finally I got my wow token sold, now im less broke

[fallow fern]

What's better defensively? Vers or Crit? And is it different for raid vs m+? Both are simming the exact same and im debating which to put on my crafted items..

[exotic musk]

Hi, whats the prio on upgrading gear with crests for prot? its weapon, trinket rings?
Thank you

[jagged pier]

Crit will stop more damage over a key, because parry just stops damage

Vers will help more on bleed and thing, unless they can be parried too

Which sometimes they can

So its up to u

[woven radish]

Both pretty equal though I'd argue more crit for m+ bc all the melee parry

[fallow fern]

Is there a target for either? Or not really?

[woven radish]

Thinking adapts in SR and little plant bois in WRS

[tribal wharf]

GO TO THE CORNNNERRRR
LEARN FROM THIS!!

[jagged pier]

There no target for any stat

[tribal wharf]

I hate this dungeon and this boss so god damn much!

[fallow fern]

Ok thx

[spiral mountain]

AA is just damned pain dude

[jagged pier]

Just take bsv with the flex point

Then its not an issue at all

[fallow fern]

I already put haste vers on my shield but I think I'll do haste crit for braces/cloak

But damn cloak mats are pricey atm.. like nearly 50k on my server..

[tribal wharf]

its mostly a later patch thing to worry about

bc right now, we have to put alot of effort to get 1188 static haste

in 12.3, we will not have to put even close to that effort to reach it

[plush tendon]

thats kind of what I did

make crit/haste shield and sword

but wanted a little vers so made some haste/vers bracers

[tribal wharf]

im back to thane at the moment

for weekly 10

but im gunna attempt more as col in the future definitely

i know why i didnt like it when i first tried it

which was when it was in the beta

cuz i could jump and cancel my special attack

[woven radish]

I love colossus, a lot more engaging imo

[tribal wharf]

and some times there is awkward moments where you are slow while using it so take more dmg

but, other than that

i love the fact that i have 2 abilities that hit for over 50k dmg

demolish is trash deleter, i like it alot

[cobalt inlet]

anything I could do to get people to not always interrupt my reflect?

I remember there was weakaura or smt

[tribal wharf]

i dont understand how my friend died here

[cobalt inlet]

looks like interrupt was missed

surge

also believe he was hit with the bleed fro the eel

[tribal wharf]

if i try this on a 10 little tiny errors like that is going to murder my group :S

i found the real problem

he was likely drunk

is warlock nvm, actually warlock did fine

[coarse bay]

I like thunderblast more than demolish

[woven radish]

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[lament osprey]

Yo can I drop my logs here for st? I need help for st damage

[coarse bay]

🪵

U sure can

[tribal wharf]

who evers doing the ATT addon put a bunch of zoomer SFX when you collect shit

WOOOWWW thats pretty good and so on

[jagged pier]

what ever happened to use laying pipe

only SLs bois would know

theres also

but that was SLs beta

[rocky crest]

Anyone with the SB SS macro ?

[solid sun]

Hi Jakey

https://tenor.com/view/leave-the-plumbing-to-me-mario-chris-pratt-the-super-mario-bros-movie-ive-got-this-handled-gif-7130780333251572830

@coarse bay are you 4 under par

[jagged pier]

no because its bad

[coarse bay]

I am at the stage of my life where i didnt keep score for myself

No ball to be seen for me

[solid sun]

lol

We should play golf with your friends

[fringe mural]

Imagine the following: you are about to kill a mob/pack and have 5 seconds left on sb, you cast shield slam to finish them off and cast sb again because you macroed them together, now you waste almost the entire second shield block unless you keep on tanking all the time

effective uptime needs to be 100%, not total uptime

also you waste the rage that could've been used for a preemptive ignore pain for example when you charge into the next pack with charge and shield charge

what you can and should use is map shield slam into shield block

so when you press shield block you automatically use ss resets

[jagged pier]

if its up

but it doesnt replace your SS bind

[fringe mural]

yes

[jagged pier]

same with IP

[fringe mural]

it's just an addition to the sb bind

behind it

macro:

#showtooltip
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam

macro 2:

#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

you could also put it into Spell Reflection theoretically right?

[toxic pewter]

wat in the world

[fringe mural]

would it make sense to map avatar to thunderclap?

before it

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[coarse bay]

Those macros suck

[fringe mural]

avatar and tc?

yeah probably

[coarse bay]

All of them

The ones u typed out earlier

[fringe mural]

Why exactly, because they miss the runuierror clear part?

[stoic hound]

Guys, need a tip...I"m not sure if I ever need IP tracking... at least I have not find a good reason to continue to keep this tracker. SB and SW are usefull, but it looks like IP should not be tracked at all, or am I missing something?

[fringe mural]

Well i got the recommendation from @undone beacon

[undone beacon]

huh

[fringe mural]

to map the shield slam resets to ip and sb

[coarse bay]

the macros u listed were wrong

[fringe mural]

how so?

[undone beacon]

I think you misinterpreted what I had said originally

[fringe mural]

okay then tell me what needs to change

[jagged pier]

no the ip and sb ones are fine

they are for sniping resets when using active mitigation

they arent for pressing SS

[coarse bay]

oh is it IP first i havent looked at it

[undone beacon]

Yeah those IP/SB into SS macros are normal

[coarse bay]

i for some reason thought it put ss first

[jagged pier]

so say its bad but not read them

[undone beacon]

Cam what the heck

[coarse bay]

im just dumb

im sorry

i read them but im bad at macros i shall refrain from bad info

[lament osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3vDytXMYWzLnJFdh?fight=15&type=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3vDytXMYWzLnJFdh?fight=15&source=48

I want help if possible to get more ST, idk if talent wrong or I was just dumb in pressing buttons

Possibly stats/gear?

[jagged pier]

no idea bb isnt doing anything for u tho

[lean slate]

Do I ever press revenge in st

for m+

[coarse bay]

when ss and tc/tb are on cd to fish for resets

[fringe mural]

okay phew

you had me for a moment there