protection

[digital galleon]

Quick question: How do you utilize Intervene (with Storm Shield Mountainthan talent)? What am I missing? I think it sucks

[solid sun]

Use multihammers instead

[digital galleon]

I do

ever since

[lusty grotto]

you just use storm shield if you need to intervene people for movement or whatever reason

[waxen frigate]

That’s fixed now, at least it was at home

They did an emergency funding bill

[lusty grotto]

yeah but it depends on the airport atm

[waxen frigate]

I literally walked straight through security in San Antonio, no waiting

[lusty grotto]

ok good shit

[digital galleon]

okay so intervene is just movement

[jagged pier]

dont even run it

its a waste of a talent

[lusty grotto]

it could have utility but it depends on the encounter, its very minimal and probably not worth grabbing

[lusty grotto]

it was a 5 min line for us at tucson

ive heard it went down for sure in a lot of places, but not all of em

[pallid shell]

Damn why they love to nerf thane again?

[jagged pier]

fury change that effects us

cause they have no clue what to do for worrir

and how everything effects each other

[rocky briar]

Guys, for bis trinkets

Gaze and Heart or the Plume ?

[waxen frigate]

to be fair it was at 10am on a Thursday

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

But I was shocked at the fact there was literally zero line whatsoever

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[lofty warren]

Are we all America eastern time zone

[mighty valley]

i'm west

[toxic pewter]

central

[waxen frigate]

Central time best time

[tribal wharf]

est

[solid sun]

Central

[dusky canopy]

Cst gang

[tribal wharf]

i like col but my healers dont

[lusty grotto]

they shouldn't notice a difference between thane and colossus

and if they do that's not a thane vs colossus problem

[coarse bay]

Those are two strong trinkets, no such thing as bis though youll just have to sim whats stronger for you

[fleet flicker]

my tank just realized he was sitting perma in battle stance on paladins :icant:

[lusty grotto]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder

[fleet flicker]

heart is kinda bait, and it sims lower now since a default miss metric was added, if you have access to gaze + plume I'd say those

[glacial skiff]

They also finally added stances to CDM and you can make the wrong stance glow if you get cooldownmanagercentered

[lusty grotto]

oh cool

but yeah im just putting that there for the guy that said their tank didnt know

[toxic pewter]

oh wow didnt know about that

[glacial skiff]

Yeah I was pretty excited for it. I liked the addon it’s great but kind of a pain to configure lol. I still use it tho bc I hate being in wrong stance.

[lusty grotto]

the missing class buff addon also does it

or did

thats just what i get

[vocal wagon]

Sim is telling me Acuity (+STR) is about 30% more than Berserkers (+haste) for main weapon enchant, should I ignore this and follow the guide or what?

New to tanking

[toxic pewter]

I use str myself

[fading dirge]

Anyone know of some Heroic Leap Bugs? Guildie is having consistent problems with not being able to cast it. They do use a macro but as you can see if the VOD, it comes off CD right about the time they land. They rocket jump and the Macro button and the spell on their CDM goes dark.
https://streamable.com/wgstvh

[toxic pewter]

I try to keep my secondary stats as static as possible personally

[lusty grotto]

can you link sim?

[vocal wagon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mWjBBeJYXAqfJm6dpxZfT4

[lusty grotto]

dont sim hectic add cleave

[vocal wagon]

I am only M+ tank

[lusty grotto]

1target patchwork for ST 3min or 5min

5 target patchwerk 1:30mins

for aoe/keys

[vocal wagon]

kk will change it thx

[glacial skiff]

Question for those of you doing higher keys, I’ve noticed some dropping talents into phalanx (like the 4th, and 2/3rd points) are they really worth dropping for survivability from stuff like indom etc?

And I recently noticed tough as nails is suggested (thought it wasn’t a great talent before) but did they buff it for midnight or something? Is it really good damage, threat, or both?

[lusty grotto]

mathwise it shoulnd't be the case

but i just got back from vacation so i cant confirm gameplaywise

in my experience on situations like this, the gain is very minimal and only needed if youre pushing past the current ilvl cap threshold

[toxic pewter]

definitely strange.. it grays out after charge.. seems the macro may be incorrect would recommend just removing the macro or redoing it

[glacial skiff]

Oh and noticed people also using heavy repercussions. I’m guessing we’re not reaching 100% block uptime with joining the fray at these haste levels? Idk what the breakpoint is but i’m barely at like 900 unbuffed I believe.

[lusty grotto]

its 1188

[glacial skiff]

Oh yeah I’ve been fucking my healers whoops

[lusty grotto]

yeah play HR before you reach it

[vocal wagon]

same result LOL

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GsQQ3pKTtUT9zagjugeJe

[lusty grotto]

thats also not 30%

[fading dirge]

I thought the macro might the issue but the spell on the CDM goes dark as well which would indicate an issue witht he base spell

[lusty grotto]

its 0.6%

go with haste

[glacial skiff]

No wonder I’ve occasionally just procced battle scarred when I seemed fine lol

[lusty grotto]

is my recommendation

[vocal wagon]

30% more dmg yes 999 vs 1600

[toxic pewter]

definitely strange, I have not experienced this.. hmmm

[lusty grotto]

youre doing math wrong here

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto come pick me up it’s a 2 hr metro ride

[lusty grotto]

you do 0.6% more dps in the sim than berserker rage

with acuity

its right there

[vocal wagon]

i'm comapring the enchants only, a vs b

[glacial skiff]

So if I wanted to grab indom for keys would the best choice to drop be enduring alcarity or blood surge/whirling blade?

[lusty grotto]

youll have fun 😄

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

Surely this is at least like cheap right

[lusty grotto]

so is the sim

[glacial skiff]

I’ve seen others drop punish and best served cold for points elsewhere but I feel like losing punish really guts your boss damage

[waxen frigate]

But overall dam is all that matters bro what’s prio/st that’s fake news

[vocal wagon]

like this one is +1461 vs +2357

[lusty grotto]

click the base one

click berserker

you gain 0.6% dps using acuity over berserker, thats the point

[vocal wagon]

ok thx

[lusty grotto]

either way go berserker rage

the difference is very minimal

and haste is good

maybe next season when we have more haste, we can swap it up (or when you get more haste this season)

[tribal wharf]

I CANT lie, every tim i see new affix gril spawn in

has puprle puddle

void zone

i run out

[glacial skiff]

Nah. I’m an ethical gamer and want keys to go as smoothly as possible and not be a burden for others lol

[tribal wharf]

it attacks ppl ol

[waxen frigate]

Wrong answer bud

[proud dock]

someone said around 1.1-1.2k haste is when u go from HR to ItF. how do u know ur safe to swap to ItF?

[waxen frigate]

You will be a meta slace who only listens to streamers or else

[lusty grotto]

1188

haste rating

[proud dock]

tyty

[glacial skiff]

lol I play warrior i’m already losing. 😂

[lusty grotto]

how do you know? the answer is that if you still have gaps at that point, you should stick to HR

[proud dock]

got it

[lusty grotto]

its around the threshhold we do every expansion release (aside from things modifying SB uptime like TWW S2, where SC had CDR)

[waxen frigate]

Yah as a longtime brew main I’m having to deal with fotm morons for the first time in peak and it sucks lmao

Actual fuckin room temp iq motherfuckers

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

now that you say that, i just realized that peak hasnt had a season where that was the case until now, are they holding up alright there?

as in they arent used to it

[waxen frigate]

I feel bad for Kate

I’ll put it that way

[lusty grotto]

damn

[waxen frigate]

And my years of clout now mean nothing to the new gen’s

[lusty grotto]

haha it never does

[lament osprey]

When are they nerfing brewmasters?

[waxen frigate]

Hopefully soon so we can go back to being autistic obscure one tricks

[lament osprey]

Hold up aren’t we the warriors getting nerfed?

[toxic pewter]

no..warrior is weak.. yes... def not tankier than brewmasters...

[lusty grotto]

depends, if the change goes through without protection getting removed from it

[lament osprey]

For the record, brewmaster taking 21 stacking bleeds come the adept of the dawn in Skyreach is fucking stupid.

Where as prot warrior 8 stacks and crying

[waxen frigate]

You say that like brew isn’t also notoriously fucked on by bleeds

[mighty valley]

isn't that the dot where you need to step back for like a second to drop stacks

or shockwave

[lament osprey]

Jes

[toxic pewter]

yah I actually did that today and was great

Ive been doing but consciously been stunning, lightly kiting and worked well

[waxen frigate]

So just do that 4head

[mighty valley]

"i don't believe brew can dunk their dick in lava for no reason for longer than i can"

[toxic pewter]

lol

wat in the world

[lament osprey]

I think you understand, a chud brewmaster first timer will take it to the face no problem.

[mighty valley]

the chud brewmaster first timer has no effect on my day

[lament osprey]

Prot warrior gotta walk it back or stun.

[toxic pewter]

they will sweep or rop tho

like taking 21 is not optimal

shit hurts

[outer willow]

I don’t want brew to get nerfed. I want other tanks to get buffed.

Why hate on them when we can join our tank brethren

[tribal wharf]

my theory is correct

col = healer mad

thane = not

[outer willow]

Pls present your evidence

[tribal wharf]

well the heler didnt rage out on me

[lusty grotto]

my theory is correct

not a colossus issue

[mighty valley]

it's easier to play colossus bad

i guess

but the solution is to not do that

[lusty grotto]

nah

[coarse bay]

Pikaboo has come online

[mighty valley]

oh nim there was a yogi clip when you were out, lemme dig it up

[tribal wharf]

this is my own anecdotal evidence

[lusty grotto]

your theory is incorrect

[tribal wharf]

ok

[tribal wharf]

ya

since bfa

same shit then

[mighty valley]

i think it might not be the hero spec choice that makes the healer mad

[tribal wharf]

so,

[solid sun]

Everyone should just play bdk

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

[solid sun]

Really skew the metrics

Who was it that went to nome’s guide and ripped the talent build and started doing big keys on stream

And it was just to see what would happen to aggregate sites

[lusty grotto]

andy?

[solid sun]

I think that was Andy yeah

We should do that one season

[ornate palm]

I’m here for it. Tauren warrior and that mog is on point. He looks good even getting deleted like that.

[solid sun]

Like all of us who level all the tanks

Just start doing all our keys as the least represented tank spec and see if people start asking why

[tribal wharf]

getting into rwow be like

no sound i think lol

[solid sun]

What am I watching

[tribal wharf]

is there sou nd

[solid sun]

No

[solid sun]

Guys

Hot off the presses

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/EvpeOwgqXB

[tribal wharf]

u need to take the damage reduce talents so u live longer as tank

cuz tank job taunt most hp

not put frontal on me

not at all about deal dmg

[lusty grotto]

instant downvote

[solid sun]

I’m just perusing

Lots of complaints about Ppal guides?

[tribal wharf]

hes mad about dh

[lusty grotto]

there's a guy that explained why they suggest the builds, and he got an upvote

the argument of this dumbass is

You can keep 100% uptime, but even looking at the top 10 DH only 2 or 3 didn't take this talent.

[coarse bay]

I read that post yesterday too

Pretty sad

People acting like authorities based on assumptions

[lusty grotto]

yeah i read enough

it aint anything different than what we get around here

[coarse bay]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

except sadly it got upvoted because people are stupid

[solid sun]

“I remember Max talking about this on stream, basically every class discord tank channel is terrible because they only advocate for doing more damage. Then thousands of tank players hit a wall cause they don't care about survivability cause they were told damage is king.”

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/men-in-black-will-smith-fJR

[coarse bay]

Pretty much people complaining about ppal and talking about kyrasis or whoever the dk guy is

[solid sun]

Yeah Mandl catching strays

Idk who kyrasis is

[coarse bay]

Idk his name the guy that plays bdk and goes against the tc-ers and guides

[ornate palm]

I mean, the wowhead prot guide is off. I don’t agree with all the comments regarding class discords necessarily though.

[tribal wharf]

im going to test my personal theory again

that applies to me

and see if col makes more healers angry

[lusty grotto]

yes and we mention it here regularly

but that guy didnt even care to explain the why

[ornate palm]

Exactly.

[lusty grotto]

his "investigation" was way too shallow

[solid sun]

I’m surprised max was accused of saying this

[lusty grotto]

max does mention it

its not accusation

[solid sun]

I became significantly better once I started reading here and asking questions here

[lusty grotto]

it happened

[ornate palm]

Like people are commenting about class discords also being garbage.

[lusty grotto]

hell, i did it here

[coarse bay]

Ya he explained his experience 10+ years ago

But its an old experience and he says as much

[solid sun]

You did what here

[lusty grotto]

i said running a cheat was fucking stupid

[solid sun]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

because the context where they were running it, they were dying because of other reasons, and it was a crutch, its better for those players to identify what they died to and fix it (and more often than not these players were certainly NOT gonna check logs to see where it proc'd to fix their mistakes)

the problem with Max and the PoddyC on that topic is first of all what Cam said

it was ages ago

second, we're not recommending those players (dorky, dratnos, or max, or any high level player or streamer) to not do it, but also dont know if they come in with other names

or we weren't

[fringe mural]

this discord is as old as legion, cant be that bad

and a friend of mine recommended archim to me 20 years ago already

cant be that bad

[lusty grotto]

we aint bad

youre preaching to the choir here

reddit just LOVES to generalize

just like any stupid amount of people do

[ornate palm]

Without this discord I would still be running itf instead of hr and vanishing faster than yogi in that video.

[lusty grotto]

there's 0 nuance if youre in such a hurry

[fringe mural]

Don't you know that not spamming ignore pain means not using it ever except when above 70 rage

😄

[solid sun]

Okay so that K dude

Kryasis or whatever

He must be the guy who has the second DK discord

[torn gulch]

yes

[fringe mural]

that's like using wrecking throw on cooldown because it says so in the iv rotation when there's enemies to silence

[hazy crest]

Wait, should we be running HR over ITF?

[torn gulch]

yes up to about 1200 haste

[mild river]

Defensive stance reduces bleeding damage?

[lusty grotto]

do you have 1188 haste rating?

[lusty grotto]

all DR does

including Dstance

[mild river]

Thanks

[fringe mural]

does the 1188 haste account for 1 stack of Itf or all 5

[coarse bay]

I think max was talking about stuff in mop or something i cant remember

[fringe mural]

Mop was elitist jerks era was it not?

[lusty grotto]

4 stacks, its 4 stacks now, but yes

[lusty grotto]

tankspot

[fringe mural]

ah yeah tankspot

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto when are you doing keys big dog

[fringe mural]

that was in between

[lusty grotto]

when i figure out how to 5 star this fucking weapon

[coarse bay]

Idk how true it is but apparently some of the stuff he pushes is straight up proven wrong by some tcers and they just say no instead of proving things. They stand behind his high io instead of info

[daring marlin]

what weapon?

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-gif-16760445902809235517

[hollow spruce]

whats the thoughts on mountain thane nerf and colossus buff? will colossus be better post patch?

[fringe mural]

Artisans gold star and someone who loves professions

Like me

[fringe mural]

i can build max axes/polearms i think

[daring marlin]

oh axe

lame

[dusky canopy]

Rank 2s bro

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[torn gulch]

use rank 2s

[dusky canopy]

That’s your problem

[fringe mural]

Wrong materials

[lusty grotto]

i know what it is dw

[fringe mural]

use the expensive shit

[lusty grotto]

yes

[daring marlin]

yeah rank 2 mats are unironically fucking massive

[lusty grotto]

i know

relax

[fringe mural]

ah

[daring marlin]

NIM IS A KNOWER GUYS

[dusky canopy]

Relax dn

[tribal wharf]

skill issue

[lusty grotto]

im trying to turn not have a big deficit here

[fringe mural]

you try to do it without

[solid sun]

Oof

[tribal wharf]

blacksmithing skill issue

[mild river]

I don't mind playing colossus. All I have to say is ppl must wait 3 sunders to dps lol

[fringe mural]

or with minimum effort

[solid sun]

I’m just going to ask your merry band of aussies, cam

[tribal wharf]

find someone with 30 points in that

and the thing outside of it

[solid sun]

They know everything

[coarse bay]

Lmao for what

[tribal wharf]

and with the purple tool

[solid sun]

Everything

[fringe mural]

purple tool doesnt help

[lusty grotto]

it does help

[tribal wharf]

tiny bit but

[lusty grotto]

but im behind a week and a half

well a week, and 1 day

[fringe mural]

no, purple doesnt have higher skill

it just has more resourcefulness or smth

that doesnt increase the quality

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre right

[fringe mural]

you just get more stuff back which is great

[lusty grotto]

thats exactly what i was figuring out right now, so ill just craft the blue tools andgo from there

[fringe mural]

but blue tools/accessories are enough to max craft

i made purple tools to get more back from crafting

If i craft a weapon for someone idc about the tip

Because i regularly get rank 2 sterling bars back from it

purple tool gives you about 4% more resourcefulness compared to blue

you also get materials back from the patron orders

pretty neat

[tribal wharf]

whatabout this

there is same thing for bs

[lusty grotto]

guys guys

[tribal wharf]

if thats not

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt asking for help

[coarse bay]

I, too, am a crafter

[lusty grotto]

i was just telling guil

[fringe mural]

alright

[lusty grotto]

but yeah the skill thing helps

so ty

i was dreading running that dogshit ass abundance garbage with my entire crafting army

[tribal wharf]

i get them with patron orders

50/50 for bag, (have to check each one what it gives)

bag gives all kinds of crap related to the profession

and often sone of the "combine 5 to make it better version"

[sharp gale]

yas

[lusty grotto]

gz happy

[toxic pewter]

Grats dude

That badass as hell

[solid sun]

Nicely done

[sharp gale]

i died on the kill

[humble mason]

I am extremely conflicted

Devouring banding or sigil: void?

Im having durability issues in high M+

but im not sure which is better for that.

[daring marlin]

14AA wewlad

that was fun

[lusty grotto]

were waiting on friend to finish and going into a key if you wanna join

ah wait nvm we need a healer

[daring marlin]

BOOOO

[lusty grotto]

ill let you know

[lofty warren]

True wowhead outdated and icy veins is pretty good just imo missing delve trinkets and st rotation may or may not have a bug for mt but that doesnt raise to the level of "setting tanks up for failure"

[tribal wharf]

im in love with the colo

[sand condor]

Hi gang

Got curve

Am happy

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[sand condor]

As a dps

But still :(

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

[sand condor]

Thank u nin

New raid team is solid too

[solid sun]

Grats

Was it hard

[sand condor]

Got m1 to 5~% in 2 pulls

[solid sun]

I haven’t even stepped foot into H

[sand condor]

Nah jt was pretty doable

[cerulean tusk]

Rat in a hat is back

I hope ya had a nice little vacation

[sand condor]

Who dat

Oh nim

[fringe mural]

reward from timewalk firelands

lul

[lusty grotto]

ty cat, it was fun for sure

[undone beacon]

We cleared N/H Dream, N March, and H VS up to Crown last night, hopefully get crown down again fast tonight after we dump the backups and stop raiding with 30 people

[undone beacon]

Damn give me that for my priest thanks

[fringe mural]

go join a group for last boss only, but dont forget to tip 😄

[ornate palm]

How much did you tip?

[undone beacon]

tipping skip groups

[mighty valley]

tipping skip groups? more like skipping tip groups

is this clever, do we like this

[fringe mural]

2k

[undone beacon]

I mean I just join them and don’t tip because idk I don’t gotta do shit

They’re making money forming and leaving groups for hours at a time

[fringe mural]

i dont tip every time

but i appreciate the effort

[fringe mural]

It's dull af

[undone beacon]

So is gathering profession, and basically every other gold making method so meh

[fringe mural]

but they're helping us casuals not fight every boss

so i'm fine, they're not forcing you to tip

but i was surprised that it gives you a hero item

thought you'd get some veteran stuff

[ornate palm]

If the note states tips appreciated but not required, I default to the not required.

[fringe mural]

tips in germany are never required

It's stated in the word

tip

it's not a fee

[undone beacon]

I mean tip if ya want I just ain’t

I wouldn’t be shocked if they did a tuning pass to nerf some of the trinkets tho cuz I got a cracked stat proc one on my hunter

Seems a bit overturned perhaps

[fringe mural]

i got the rag trinket everyone was hunting for back in the day

vessel of acceleration

only champion but still kinda funny

[placid raft]

Nice third boss in SoT

[fringe mural]

i think that item was bis when fl was active

for most dds

[fringe mural]

dat spell reflect

[ornate bear]

I know it’s gonna vary a lot but I like my buttons sort of in order or groups of rotation and things like defensives. Does anyone have something they can share with me? I tried following the rotation guide and putting my buttons in order like that from icyveins but it’s not flowing very well

[daring marlin]

I gotta get rid of these 10s I have

wtf

[lusty grotto]

SS first, then TC, then Revenge, then Execute, if youre playing thane

[cerulean tusk]

SS to do the things, then press TC and Revenge go reset SS

Any excess rage is thrown into IP (rule of thumb, if over 70 rage, press IP)

And that is it. CDs you throw on CD, if you got not some special reasons to hold em

[ornate palm]

Execute is just there for show right? We don’t actually press it right?

One of those first three is gonna be off CD or lit up 100% of the time right?

[undone beacon]

Thane, single target, 40+ rage, no SS/TB

[cerulean tusk]

Not really, no. It is a minor dps increase to use it as a "damage rage dump" instead of IP

Poor execute they really just killed it

Hope they remove the 3 target thing and just let it clap ST hits again

[lusty grotto]

you press it as thane and only in pure ST

[ornate palm]

Ima be honest. I was looking at logs from this weeks hc dreamrift. I hit almost all my SS, shield blocks, and avatar casts. I had zero execute casts. How bad is that?

[lusty grotto]

it is a slight dps increase

[cerulean tusk]

To be expected

[lusty grotto]

were you running DW?

[cerulean tusk]

No way he would, or ya got it on the default raid Thane build?

[ornate palm]

Thane build yes but no deep wounds.

[lusty grotto]

the default build runs DW

for raid

[ornate palm]

That’s actually a good question.

[cerulean tusk]

If you got no DW, you really didnt lose nothing

[lusty grotto]

well the offensive one

[ornate palm]

Default IV guide which is normally my go to has DE

*DW

[strong forum]

mmmh builds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162823147347771472.webp?size=96&animated=true

[cerulean tusk]

Surprised DW would be more value than TaN

[ornate palm]

However, I switched to tough as nails

Feel free to roast me, I’m no theorycrafter. I just feel better running it over DW

[cerulean tusk]

Back to the retirement home with you, enjoy the Sunshine

Do ya even dabble with WoW atm

[cerulean tusk]

It doesnt matter, I would do the same.

Game is about feeling good about playing it, so you are doing it the right way

As long you dont die, position well and hold threat, you doing great

[ornate palm]

It makes sense in my head. I rarely find myself in a position where I don’t have SS, TC, or even a revenge available.

[lusty grotto]

in ST it is because youre getting hit less

[cerulean tusk]

I know

[lusty grotto]

either way, you still press execute in ST without DW

[cerulean tusk]

Why would you think i didnt

I tanked raids for decades

[lusty grotto]

just making the clarification

[ornate palm]

Plus I’ve gotten light years better at keeping shield block up 100% of the time. So TaN is like my reward for shield block uptime.

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto @jagged pier

[cerulean tusk]

I love the attitude, tho your reasoning is a bit weak

[ornate palm]

I can live with that.

[cerulean tusk]

TaN is one of those things that just feel right tho

I completely am on that side

In the end, play it like you feel to, just follow the rule of:
If you are lacking, start correcting towards the meta play

If not, go ham, haters gonna hate, you still in the top 1 to 0.1%

[ornate palm]

That’s the most important thing to me. All those boxes are checked.

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

Are we talking about talent preference

Not allowed

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, we discussing how to MinMax IP uptime

[coarse bay]

Oh

[cerulean tusk]

Gotta aim for that 100%

[coarse bay]

I was gonna say something but we dont like misinfo

[cerulean tusk]

[waxen frigate]

We’re talking about tinned fish

Welcome to #protection

[cerulean tusk]

Sardines, IP or doom

[coarse bay]

Sardines are good

[cerulean tusk]

Good choice

I prefer makrell personally tho

[coarse bay]

Canned smoked oyster bis

Tbh

These

[waxen frigate]

I’ve heard smoked oysters are great

[waxen frigate]

Mackerel can be alright but if I’m doing something like that I usually prefer kipper snacks (herring)

[coarse bay]

Ive only had those geisha brands, my dad always had them

Good

[waxen frigate]

Sardines are wonderful but they can be tricky to get into. The cheaper brands you find in most US grocery stores are awful

But anything packed in extra virgin olive oil or made by a reputable higher end brand is peak

They’re also like one of the healthiest foods you can possibly eat

Straight up cheat code tier

[vivid orchid]

had some canned kippered sardines

pretty solid

easy to eat

[waxen frigate]

Kippers are herring

Similar though

[ocean elk]

my old boss, a boarded nutritionist, used to eat a sardine and ketchup sandwich on wheat bread every single day at lunch. Peak nutrition efficiency

[waxen frigate]

Ketchup isn’t very healthy but otherwise yeah

[ocean elk]

Oh it's not? I had no idea

[waxen frigate]

No it’s super sugary lmao

It’s basically sugary tomato paste

[vivid orchid]

i know, but thats what the can says here lol

[ocean elk]

I'm messing with you. Ketchup obviously isn't a pinnacle of health

[waxen frigate]

Is it a translation thing?

[vivid orchid]

maybe

[waxen frigate]

Oh. I mean some people legit don’t know lol

It would make sense to be a translation thing especially since “sardine” in English is actually a word applied to something like 2 dozen species of fish

[vivid orchid]

definitely

but it is herring for sure in this case

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[vivid orchid]

people read sardine and know its "canned fish" essentially

[waxen frigate]

Yep

[vivid orchid]

they dont really care what kind mostly lol

[waxen frigate]

Generally for actual “sardines” it’s either brislings or pilchards

But both go by various names and encompass a few sub species

Brislings are the little ones, pilchards the big ones

[solid sun]

Talking about sardines again

[waxen frigate]

Yessir

Scroll up I got some fancy ones

[solid sun]

Is that a New England special

[tribal wharf]

What other specs have hard silence besides us when throw+ jav(passive) and priest (they had it some point maybe it's shaow only)

[solid sun]

DH can silence

[tribal wharf]

Not, stop a spell and they are locked out of ice spell but he's ice AND earth monster so just casts earth bolt

The reason is loosely speaking doom

In doom, if it can't draw a line to fire on you monster will walk as close as it can to you

I'm hoping some dps have it

Everything comes to giant kill pile we can are them down fast together

Other wise skeleton mage boy just free casting crap at my team and I don't git aggro on him

[unreal sequoia]

Am I crazy for thinking it might be right to play actual defensive trinkets this season?

[lusty grotto]

depends on what content youre doing

but it hasnt been different than any other season

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-sylvanas-windrunner-gif-24238605

@cerulean tusk

[lofty warren]

https://giphy.com/gifs/warcraft-8qDgtPX3FBCTAIKK0t

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gallywix-trade-prince-jastor-world-of-warcraft-gif-12598133641175716096

[brisk cloud]

I wish spell reflect was less obtuse

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say that here, youre gonna make us very sad and angry to losing spell block

[brisk cloud]

I just wish there was, at least like a note or something in the journal that said "spell reflect" or something

rather than having to trial and error every ability 400 times to make sure there's no false positives or negatives

[lusty grotto]

i mean you really dont lose anything by just pressing it

is it magic? is it on you? press it

you still get MDR

even if not reflected or deflected

[brisk cloud]

yea i guess but im greedy

i tank in battle stance because im a greedy little boi

[lusty grotto]

if you want damage its pretty simple to understand which deals damage and which does not

bolt -> reflect

super simple

its a 18s cd, no reason to just hold it for the next dungeon

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[outer willow]

Love it

[oak ivy]

Holy the fear cast on dreamrift is FAST

[cold pilot]

Man my guild is STRUGGLING with the adds in phase 2 of Crown...

[undone beacon]

does myth salhadaar have a hard enrage?

i thought he just has a soft in "room fills with shit"

[stoic hound]

guys I did kill chimaerus on heroic, will I have a chance to get the trinket from him in m+ vault?

or I need to kill one more boss to try to loot it from raid vault?

[undone beacon]

nope, only from raid slots

raid loot from raid slots, M+ loot from M+ slots

[harsh trellis]

Tank stacks on Mythic Imperator... how many should we both have before taunting

[stoic hound]

thank you, so I just need 1 more kill on heroic

[undone beacon]

Yep. Jump into a hero pug and kill ass much as you can

[opal ledge]

just tried a gnome on ptr...
prot gnomes are funny

[undone beacon]

Highlight from Vorasius prog tonight

[solid sun]

so good

[undone beacon]

i was so stunned i had to pause my music

[frosty mango]

Why are you playing a priest

I was the priest

[undone beacon]

Because our healing priest threw a tantrum and quit the guild

so im in priest jail

tbh shadow kinda fun but im still learning the minutia

[frosty mango]

That’s how I ended up in monk jail

[undone beacon]

i got the shadow damage neck from hero crown

[coarse bay]

i wish i was in that raid

[undone beacon]

my raid?

we vibin

one shot h crown, got M imp and vor down

vibin

[coarse bay]

a group of kings it sounds like

[undone beacon]

This was one of the wipes on Imperator tho

Felt bad

Got the kill right after tho

[coarse bay]

We had problems with dispels

Healer raid frames struggling to spot for a couple of them

[undone beacon]

We had dispels down pretty fast, had our raid lead call who to dispel so it was smooth

That pull was just unfortunate tanking and he was in immunity area

[coarse bay]

Rip

Sub 1% is crazy

[undone beacon]

we got it down tho

and our prot warr got his shield

big ups

[coarse bay]

Big uppy

[undone beacon]

i feel dumb i wasted hero crests upgrading a neck just to get alleria neck thats 6/6 already smh

[coarse bay]

Damn

[undone beacon]

crest inefficiency detected time to reroll

[coarse bay]

At least since we dont need to optimize for trading up it isnt a huge setback

[undone beacon]

yeah it just means one item will sit at 3/6 hero longer than the others

Poor wrists i suppose

I sent a cata charge on boots earlier that was epic

[coarse bay]

I went to cata a helm earlier

And cata’d the wrong item

[undone beacon]

oop

[coarse bay]

Thankfully i still have like 4 charges but couldve been a bigger oopie

[undone beacon]

Time to reroll sorry

[coarse bay]

Ya already started on another

[undone beacon]

look at us being inefficient

[coarse bay]

My alts are so far behind because ive been unlucky af

[undone beacon]

Our guilds hpal sent his first cata charge on boots because he thought boots were part of tier (?)

[coarse bay]

Ive spent like 30+ keys getting no gear

Lmao

If this season has taught me anything

Its that i should be playing my 2nd mage too

Surely my bad luck is character specific

[undone beacon]

oof

It really do be like that

I also realized halfway through vorasius prog that i hadnt macro'd my mag'har racial into PI/Pots like I thought i had

So that

sucked

[coarse bay]

Rerol

Reroll

I didnt use pots first raid week because i was too lazy to update my macros

Maybe

We can get apb to carry us

[undone beacon]

apb Cam and I are washed can you carry

[toxic pewter]

damn hell yeah

im jealous af

ur prot warr in ur guild is a lucky dude

[toxic pewter]

i can barely get into any myth raid lol

that badass as hell tho 2 m kills u guys prob kill king too

[coarse bay]

They for sure get king

[toxic pewter]

are dragons pretty difficult

[coarse bay]

Pash are u guys only 2 day 3 hour?

[coarse bay]

Ya

[toxic pewter]

yah had a feeling

[coarse bay]

Itll be the first decent boss for non top guilds

[toxic pewter]

are the guilds doing march on quel denas mythic yet

bosses on hheroic actually no joke imo

mythic prob nuts

[coarse bay]

I was watching really good guilds actually needing to prog it in heroic

Liquid’s on it

Mythic that is

[toxic pewter]

yeah beloren i killed yesterday

actually not an easy fight if i say so

[coarse bay]

Nope

[toxic pewter]

and midnight falls actually wild

[coarse bay]

They definitely turned up the dials

[toxic pewter]

only pulled lu'ra like 7 times only got her to 64% or so

[undone beacon]

we bumped it up to 3 day 3 hour

Wed/Thurs/Sun

[coarse bay]

Dang

I wish i raided more

[undone beacon]

Def has let us squeeze more kills in

and we're refining the roster

in a good spot i feel

[coarse bay]

Ya dialing it in and upping hours feels good

Really pushes prog so much

More gear and prog every week adds up to more than 3 hours each week over a season

[outer willow]

boys I have arrived.

[coarse bay]

Grats

[outer willow]

That algethar strat worked like a charm.

ofc at an 8, life is easy

[toxic pewter]

grats

[outer willow]

ty ty

onward and upward

[nova gorge]

Can wipes still be useful for analyzing logs? Currently progging on Mythic Vorasius and looking at current parses I’m doing really poorly - where on the fight before I did relatively well. I feel like I lag on vorasius and it seems like it may be causing me to miss globals for instant SS procs.

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[coarse bay]

Wait do you mean like a wiped pull? I thought you were talking about some analyzer that i never heard of

Nim how’s the return to wow

[lusty grotto]

just spamming keys

not getting any loot

same old

[coarse bay]

As it be

[lusty grotto]

we've ran like 4 seats, 0 gloves

[coarse bay]

[jagged pier]

[coarse bay]

My gf is 20 AA this week alone and no puzzlebox

[lusty grotto]

i got 1 mark of light and one hero chest that i didnt need and that was it

[coarse bay]

Im like 10ish AA and no ring

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

bout damn time

jkjk grats!

[undone beacon]

cucklebox

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

Our WW was like "do u want me to make a macro that whispers you for PI when i hit puzzlebox

and i was like

no

[coarse bay]

Lmao

As if spriest holds pi for someone

[undone beacon]

I'm a shadow priest I hit PI when I hit Voidform and if that doesnt line up well for you then sucks to be you ig

[coarse bay]

Yup

Pair spriest with a 2 min and just hope it works out

[drowsy comet]

Man these chinese mofos are crazy, are they all unemployed or what lol

[coarse bay]

Well funny u say that

Because most of the top chinese teams

Are employed through key boosts

[undone beacon]

"Soulhunter’s Mask has been renamed to Shroud of the Soulhunter." kek

[outer willow]

I AM SLOW. but I will get legend.

[undone beacon]

everyone progs at their own pace

[outer willow]

this is the way

[undone beacon]

You got this!

[coarse bay]

Yup not a race

[undone beacon]

speaking of race

👀

i kinda wanna make my priest a drac

for the glide mobility but also

[drowsy comet]

i doubt this rank 1 team is boosted, they definetly will boost others, and I assume it will be the same mess like last season where at the very end everyone who ran +14s suddenly ran a +21 key lol

[undone beacon]

i really like being mag'har

[undone beacon]

their job is selling boosts, not being boosted

[coarse bay]

Thats what i mean, the teams have incentive to push io because they make their money selling keys. It’s literally their jobs

The chinese top m+ scene is much different than eu/na

But the reward for a chinese team winning mdi keeps going up so maybe some teams will lean more towards that now

[drowsy comet]

yea well thats not really a job, but more has a side hussle, but overall chinese players are different than us/na plebs

[coarse bay]

It’s their job im pretty sure not a hustle

At least from what ive heard i obviously dont know them

[drowsy comet]

why do i think some of them live still at their parents house, in the basement with 30 lol

[outer willow]

I wishI lived at home and didnt pay mortgage

damn

[coarse bay]

Because youre looking at it from the perspective of living in a different culture and country

[outer willow]

bout to call mom and ask if she can build a basement

[drowsy comet]

*Mom Im coming back"

[outer willow]

she'd probably love it

[lusty grotto]

got my first critter of the night

well the day i guess

just an amazing critter that didnt understand how resetting instance worked after a vote abandon was on cd

[drowsy comet]

whats a critter?

[lusty grotto]

an insignificant mob that just chirps and does squeaky noises

[drowsy comet]

ahh

[lusty grotto]

its always a wizard too

[drowsy comet]

a gnome wizard

[lusty grotto]

oh nah

gnome wizards are cool

[oak ivy]

got to hit a fun clip tonight during dreamrift.. dont mind the reaction i was hyped

i GOTTA fix my timers that shits atrocious

[warm plinth]

ngl I'm shocked that it even let you do that since you were over empty space; normally it yells at you that there's no path in those cases.

[hollow brook]

fellow woyers, would you recommend indomitable, or shield charge?

[lusty grotto]

SC

[hollow brook]

and one more question ty

intervene over pain and gain eh?

ive been sacrificing mobility for that sustain

[undone beacon]

Neither Pain and Gain nor Intervene are must haves

[warm plinth]

I feel like these are not choices that should be choices. Or am I crazy?

[hollow brook]

ty for the feedback, sorry just swapped to prot and was hoping to optimize

[undone beacon]

I would peep the IcyVeins guides

They have reliable builds to utilize

[hollow brook]

how these talents performed last dungeon

[undone beacon]

This kind of information is meaningless

[coarse bay]

[coarse bay]

Our healing isnt something to pay attention to

[hollow brook]

roger ty

[warm plinth]

Shield Charge is not optional for any talent. If you want Indomitable, you drop Tough as Nails, but it's not needed. We're not a self-sustain tank. We're a mitigating tank.

[lusty grotto]

use the icy-veins builds

[jagged pier]

Droping sc when its part of our actove mitigation and part of our tier set???

[hollow brook]

haha yeah im a noob, ty for the feedback all

[warm plinth]

Overwhelming Rage is a waste of a point as long as you're playing correctly as well

[oak ivy]

nice hdr monitor

[hollow brook]

hdr always brightens screenshots, i swear its not as bright as it seems!

[lusty grotto]

you cant turn it off

in snipping tools options

[hollow brook]

ill take a look at that rn

[drowsy comet]

how did you know

[hollow brook]

alright talents optimized, ty again for all your knowledge guys!

[hollow brook]

good call on OR, i guess if youre dumping rage into IP and ur rotation you dont need the extra 30

[lusty grotto]

open snipping tool (not via the shortcut), hit the three dots on the right into Settings

[hollow brook]

i did

toggle that

[lusty grotto]

ok gotcha

[hollow brook]

ty tho

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry was only paying half attention to disc while running a key lol

[hollow brook]

my bad! dont let me distract you and hope you are smashing / smashed the key

[lusty grotto]

oh nah lol

[drowsy comet]

Win Shift S will be your best friend

[hollow brook]

this screenshot is with that keybind, is there a big dif between that and prt scrn?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its noticeable on my non-hdr 2nd monitor

[drowsy comet]

based transmog

[lusty grotto]

hes using stewart the fish

always goated

[opal ledge]

yayyyyyy i got 3k ^^

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[opal ledge]

the rank 1 prot from my realm has the nick really similar to mine, its weird

Rank 1 - Pertis Rank 2 - Petri

[hollow brook]

lol ty!

finished a key and these talents are feeling a lot better

[lean slate]

Hey guys! Learning prot for m+ to get my alt into more guild keys. Any tips for a first timer? I've played 2 keys and it feels like the complete opposite of blood dk

[lusty grotto]

thats because it is

BDK is a reaction-based tank

we're a preventative-based tank

keep Shield Block up at all times, make sure youre always facing mobs, thats the first rule

play Heavy Repercussions instead of Into The Fray if you do not have 1188 haste rating

to make sure you do not have SB gaps

[lean slate]

Do I Shield wall > Shield charge > Shield wall?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lean slate]

oh block

not wall

My b

[lusty grotto]

wall is your wall hehe

[lean slate]

SB > SC > SB?

To manage stacks?

[lusty grotto]

SB

you do not need to manage stacks

just keep it up, its a maintenance buff

[lean slate]

I did it again

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

this is very important

[lean slate]

Do I ever press rend with TC applying it?

[lusty grotto]

no

you can remove rend from your bars

[lean slate]

oh okay I got only 730 haste

[lusty grotto]

then swap that talent to Heavy Repercussions, it'll help with SB uptime

[lean slate]

oooooo

Okay

[lusty grotto]

the 2nd rule of prot

is rage management

[lean slate]

Im not rage dumping into revenge

[lusty grotto]

very important cause it'll provide cooldown reduction on your Wall and Avatar

you keep your rage between 30 and 70

[lean slate]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

if you hit 70+ you press Ignore Pain

ok you got that part

[lean slate]

Yeah that part feels blood dk ish

Never be at 0

Always have like 50+

[lusty grotto]

never cap, never starve yeah

should be pretty standard resource management tbh

[lean slate]

So this is the build atm, Just came out of a seat so I took the magic DR instead of armor

and then I had into the fray but I swapped it for the other talent cause my haste is low

[lusty grotto]

ehhh

you should be playing 4/4 apex

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/midnight-talent-calculator#JB-DJVCleLIQcGXOsItNNRR1FdaqpBGE8NKJFC-CMFNLEKmhOZYIJXe8+iiqKlYRFsphEA-AAAA-TQAEYM4ohZhQRQ-

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents?area=area_4

[lean slate]

No indom?

[lusty grotto]

what key levels are you doing

[lean slate]

10-12 ish atm just to get use to it

[lusty grotto]

no indom

[lean slate]

indom is for higher keys to not get one shot by tank hits?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lean slate]

o

[lusty grotto]

its just for people that want to have some additional self-sustain, in the bleeding edge it might have an effect... but thats' extremenly debateable

straight up DR is much better

[lean slate]

Fair

How often do I press IV? is it an oh shit button or should I press it before something dies

[lusty grotto]

its an oh-shit button

[lean slate]

kk

[lusty grotto]

usually pressed if pot is on cd

[lean slate]

So what's the opener for a pack? Shield charge > Avatar > clap > Demoralizing shout ?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[lean slate]

👍

Does SB "pandemic"?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lean slate]

is that the right word for a buff

[lusty grotto]

you can stack its duration up to 3x times

[lean slate]

Oh wtf

Okay

I was letting it get to like .5 left before doing it again

[lusty grotto]

just be careful of pressing it too much that you lose a charge for the next pull by using it when mobs are about dead

and remember SC grants it also

[lean slate]

Awesome, ty for the help

[lusty grotto]

anytime

[outer willow]

Yes btw

That is the correct word

[lean slate]

Looks like prot uses similar gear to arms as well

[outer willow]

Even if it doesn’t apply here

[drowsy comet]

tank ego at its finest lmao

we failed a +9 algethar and hes mad, and ofc its my fault. For him not popping CDs

[opal snow]

where is a place to find mythic+ specs

[lusty grotto]

icy veins

[opal snow]

ok

[drowsy comet]

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

let him "save" the name

that way you avoid him in the future

[drowsy comet]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/eredar/Karthax

[lusty grotto]

dont do that

lets not witchhunt the guy

[drowsy comet]

you know you´re right

hes a fucking idiot and I should move on

he can tattoo my name on his ass or something

[lusty grotto]

yea it is what it is

what did he die to anyway, out of curiosity

[drowsy comet]

it was at the crawth fight, the second boss. During the Deafening Screech phase we all kept getting a big dot, I searched why and found out that casters shouldnt cast during this to avoid this dot. Our Mage ignored it and we died to this twice

[lusty grotto]

the dot does not silence

it does if you cast when it goes off though

[drowsy comet]

yea i just searched it, now i know how to avoid, was not fun to heal against it as the dot was hitting hard

[lusty grotto]

how was he even low in that fight on a 9 to begin with

lol

[drowsy comet]

this idiot didnt pop CDs

he was our tank, pwarr

[lusty grotto]

no need though

was he severely undergeared or somehting

[drowsy comet]

didnt pop CDs and kept taking huge amount of damage

[lusty grotto]

he does not need cds on a 9

he was doing something severely worse

[drowsy comet]

he wasnt even 250 ilvl

wait no

he was abit above 250, but yea he definetly did something wrong

idk why tanks feel so squishy

[lusty grotto]

its cause he was playing like an idiot

[drowsy comet]

"I will safe your name"

[lusty grotto]

savage peck deals less damage than the boss' melees in this iteration of AA

the only thing i can think of is that that hes one of those dudes that cant figure out SB

and/or he was definitely eating avoidable shit

[cerulean tusk]

You aint, but there is a lot of knowledge of what is dangerous and have a plan to handle it

Might be the #1 reason this season ppl tank once or twice, then quit

Game doesnt tell you "this is dangerous", you just die and fast suddenly.

Not exactly fun for the casual

[lusty grotto]

wat

[drowsy comet]

he fucking was

every time ppl eat avoidable damage

like a hoe

absolute nasty

[lusty grotto]

i mean you can confirm that with a log

[cerulean tusk]

You should take a shower, eat a meal and take a walk

Lill un'

[lusty grotto]

but im willing to bet we aint wrong heh

[hollow brook]

Oof, i hit 2.5k io on arms on day 4 of m+

[drowsy comet]

i dont have logs, i dont do that shit tbh

[lusty grotto]

you should

[cerulean tusk]

Logs are the only way, other than a clean VOD, to really go back and see what/why/how

Its quite useful

[lusty grotto]

just to be clear its not to assign blame, but to understand what things went wrong and improve upon

[compact silo]

How do you kite the bleeding mobs in Skyreach on high keys? aside from maintaining tc slow and occasional shockwave/piercing howl

[lusty grotto]

but also... sometimes you just gotta chuckle at jerks

[cerulean tusk]

Stun with wave, as you backpeddle, it will fall off. You can just continue backpeddaling as ppl micro AoE cc, and it will never be an issue

[lusty grotto]

you face tank until a good number of stacks, you shockwave and you stutter step back into the boss' platform

dont kite all the time, you wont generate rage and that will kill you

just watch stacks

[compact silo]

there's a ton of those mobs in the dungeon and the bleed gets scary fast

[lusty grotto]

its not a bleed, its a fire dot

[cerulean tusk]

Backpeddaling aint knitring tho, it just gives a 0.5 sec extra of time frame after the CC ends

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats what i meant by stutter stepping

also its back pedal

damn it cat

[cerulean tusk]

I dont fight my AI anymore

[lusty grotto]

backpedaling

[compact silo]

oh yeah. though same but different

[cerulean tusk]

I given up

[lusty grotto]

no but cat is right

the only ones you gotta worry about are the ones after 1st boss really

[drowsy comet]

That people taking this game way too serious, yup

[compact silo]

there's abunch before last boss too

[lusty grotto]

yeah but in that area you have a bunch more space

[compact silo]

i mean

yesterday i pulled the mobs before the boss platform back to the end of winds platform lol. granted, dps wasnt that good but still

[lusty grotto]

what i mean is you can just leap out -> reset -> charge in

[compact silo]

yeah i leap, howl, swave

[lusty grotto]

instead of backpedalling in a tight space etc

either way what cat said should still work there

just gotta watch stacks

[cerulean tusk]

Prob should just take inti shout and have another AoE stop

[compact silo]

howl works good too

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, but AoE slows are almost always there either way

A stop is just valuable and limited

[compact silo]

ig i'll try it next time

[turbid stump]

is there a GOOD spell reflect sheet for this season?

[lusty grotto]

yes its pinned

[cerulean tusk]

I am not a fan of all these "you need to reset a bleed" mobs lately tho

Just makes tanking feel sheit

[lusty grotto]

yeah it does

[compact silo]

yeah just giving anxiety

[lusty grotto]

even worse when you cant fucking dwarf it

[cerulean tusk]

Just meld it

[lusty grotto]

like fiery talon, smh my dwarf head

[cerulean tusk]

Not only drops it, you also dont get hit again by em for a good while

[lusty grotto]

true

aight is rat time

gngn

[cerulean tusk]

Nn, Ratta

[dull night]

Good Morning guys!

I played a AA+10 last night with Prot (GS 263 atm) and was literally deleted on the first big pull. I was cycling Shield Walls with Last Stand + Demoshout, always filling with Demoshout and Shield Block on 100%. Ignore Pain feels like an absolute disaster right now cause it pops up and literally gets deleted instantly. I see other Prots doing this big pull at ease in 14/15 keys. Is there any secret i don't know yet?

[lean slate]

Prot can fully pull the tree boss room right? or are the bleeds awful

[cerulean tusk]

The big flower mobs, throw a bleed on you. If you pull them in at basically the same time, they will cast it at the same time. So you want to do that

Once you taken a set of bleeds, and you cant have it removed by any source.

You can leap away and let it fall off, then go back in. For the set after again, intervene away.

Continue like this till they are all dead. Do remember to pop dCDs as you go back in, as the mobs are likely enraged

[dull night]

That sounds absolutely reasonable!

[cerulean tusk]

You can take double sets, if you got a dispell at hand, but you will need to wall the duration of the 2nd set

[dull night]

Is the Bleed removable by dwarven stoneform or anything else?

[cerulean tusk]

Dwarf, Evoker bleed removal, BoP if you can cancelaura play it, there are ways

[drowsy comet]

some people really dont know shit bruh...decided to run a +2 magisters and we lowkey depleted this because 2 ppl didnt know the soak ring mechanic from Degentrius

wht

[strong forum]

Not even in the slightest. Only through osmosis from hanging around with my friends