protection

[toxic pewter]

so they gaavbe it their aall

[coarse bay]

Glad you got it

[toxic pewter]

my brain is fried

I have a new appreciation now for like the race to world first

where the raiders are like radding for 12+ hours

and stuff

at such a high level its taxing as hell

[coarse bay]

Ya for sure

I can barely play that much in a day

Let alone raiding at the most extreme level

[toxic pewter]

theres me in front that little vulpera

[coarse bay]

The most powerful vulpera warrior i know

[toxic pewter]

[coarse bay]

All the skeletons really add to the 9 hour grind

[solid sun]

apb

honestly

that's heckin' legendary

I'll never forget this moment

[toxic pewter]

I appreciate the hype up guys

means a lot

[coarse bay]

I told you im framing a picture above my fireplace

[toxic pewter]

I had to share it with the channel this my main hangout spot

[solid sun]

Almost all of my favorite wow moments include skyhold

[toxic pewter]

hell yeah

skyhold is an amazing place

[solid sun]

And no less than 2 of them include apb specifically

[toxic pewter]

hahahah im honored

[solid sun]

apb walked into pash's home and straight up murdered him

[coarse bay]

Hows the adrenaline after it going down

[solid sun]

right next to the coffee table

[coarse bay]

Lmfao

True

[solid sun]

And then he went and pugged mythic chim

[coarse bay]

Pugging within hof window

[solid sun]

week 1

[toxic pewter]

lmfao

[solid sun]

while his guild is still progging normal

[toxic pewter]

I have to admit when you read it typed out like that

just makes you laugh LOL

[solid sun]

Lol I play every day for hours. I hit 3k and aotc and ce chimmy without hof then go to PvP where I work to became the worlds highest rated vulpera arms warrior in solo shuffle
These days I spend my days world pvping if any of you have been in war mode in NA CHANCES are i have killed u
I am a very powerful individual
My /played is like 6 years or some shit

[toxic pewter]

XD

[solid sun]

I have this dude on my friend's list. How cool is that

HE SENT ME DM'S TODAY

[toxic pewter]

lol

[coarse bay]

I think it needs to be edited a little, it downplays the chimmy too much without the context

[toxic pewter]

we gotta do keys next week

Ngl tho

[solid sun]

I wish Jakey was awake to see this

[toxic pewter]

the sickest part is the title

Dream-Eater

[coarse bay]

Oh u got a title?

[toxic pewter]

that bad ass

[coarse bay]

Oh hell ya

[solid sun]

holy cow if they ever make a race that looks like that pokemon Drowzee

You gotta change your warrior to that with the dream eater title

[toxic pewter]

lol damnn hell yeah

[solid sun]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sleep-drowsy-4

apb at culver's watching the goth chicks walk in

[toxic pewter]

lmfao

[solid sun]

ngl i thought it just said eeeeeeeee at first

[toxic pewter]

damn culvers sounds so good right now

[solid sun]

yeah you need some celebratory dessert

[coarse bay]

Actually ya

Youre east coast right so its late

U need to reward yourself

[solid sun]

surely we have a 24 hour fast food joint around here

with working ice cream

[toxic pewter]

central time zone

but yeah its kinda late tho

[solid sun]

Yeah apb lives next door to me

[toxic pewter]

yep

[solid sun]

dude i'm so hyped for you

Are you fingers all jittery

[toxic pewter]

ngl

that adrenaline starts pumping when it at the end

[coarse bay]

U arent sleeping soon after that lol

[toxic pewter]

and its a race

like we sac'd other tank

[solid sun]

how different was it from N

[coarse bay]

I know something like that i wouldn’t be able to sit still and steady

[toxic pewter]

and we were just racing

its kinda similarr but some very annoying situations occur

[undone beacon]

The a in apb stands for awesome
The p in apb stands for powerful
The b in apb stands for badass

[toxic pewter]

like with fears

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

yeah but apb doesn't afraid of anything

so the fear doesn't work

[toxic pewter]

i out damaged the other prot warr

[solid sun]

is that why you did so much damage

[toxic pewter]

i actually parsed an 81 (on boss damage)

lower overall

[solid sun]

Damn you're basically ready to be in liquid then right

[toxic pewter]

i did 14k dps mopre than the other prot warr

cotank

[coarse bay]

The a in apb stands for awesome
The p in apb stands for powerful
The b in apb stands for badass

[solid sun]

we need to get this log to max

so he can get you in the guild for the new raid tomorrow

[toxic pewter]

wait sorry was a 78 on boss dam

[solid sun]

The a in apb stands for awesome
The p in apb stands for powerful
The b in apb stands for badass

[coarse bay]

There isnt gonna be many logs so a 78 amongst a small number is really good

Youre competing with rwf splits

[toxic pewter]

i was giving it my all

[coarse bay]

U ate that

[toxic pewter]

pressing buttons perhaps better than i have ever done

[solid sun]

apb

legendary anime character

a punchy boy

[toxic pewter]

XD

i messed up though and forgot to kill mythic first boss of voidspire lol

so my vault is cooked

for raid myth gear i mean

[solid sun]

I FORGOT TO KILL ANOTHER MYTHIC BOSS IN A PUG WEEK 1

WHOOPSIES

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[solid sun]

this guy

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

holy guacamole

he's about to stay up

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[solid sun]

become a tic tac toe master

[toxic pewter]

im still logged in

what am i doing with my life

[solid sun]

you should start a pug

and tell everyone to link m chim achievement

[toxic pewter]

XD

[solid sun]

and when people inevitably ask you to show yours

you can show 'em

[toxic pewter]

:nodders:

[proud dock]

if disintegrate from L'ura can be reflfected, do we pop it and run into a beam?

[ebon geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QBH1D23gtGhNFrxZ

ok so first ever 10, i was panicking a lot since it was a pug (very chill though) and my first 10 on war. what can i do better and improve on

at least i can go now to sleep finally with a decent(at least for me ) vault

[valid sleet]

Hi friends! The last boss in Magisters Terrace, Degentrius: getting dispelled drops the pool. I know I should bring it out to the edge. I'm scared about going out of his melee range though. Will he smack someone else if I go too far, or is it ok?

[solid sun]

SB uptime is 65.41%. Some downtime can happen and uptime isn't as important as percentage of hits blocked but that seems kinda low to me.

It shows you blocked 73% of melees hitting you. Would like to see a minimum of 90% and closer to 95% or more, imo

[ebon geyser]

not gonna lie i didnt play well, i was anxious since it was my first 10 and i didnt wanted to suck

[gray pecan]

how are you guys keeping that high of an uptime. I'm usually too busy looking at the screen to make sure I'm positioned correctly

[solid sun]

If you're looking at the screen don't you look at where you are positioned lol

[gray pecan]

yeah but also having to pay attention to skill cd + mechanics, etc etc lol i guess thats what seperates the best from the rest eh

[solid sun]

Well fine tuning your UI so that you can see where your character is and what's going on around you while also monitoring things that you need to is kind of a personal journey

Everyone's UI is usually a little different and people prefer different things, etc. etc.

But the more you play and experience things the better you're able to make the necessary adjustments

[valid sleet]

Never mind. Just watched Yoda's video, his auto is ranged, so we're good to run out 🙂

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

[solid sun]

did you just get it?

is that fresh off the presses

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-joy-lizard-hi-there-well-hello-there-gif-15622233555234689915

[oak ivy]

[opal ledge]

are we getting a catalyst charge tomorrow?

[sleek wagon]

best trinkets? all 266 hero track

[lament osprey]

is it worth ITF with 900 haste?

[opal ledge]

i'm using those last two

[sleek wagon]

same here. i swap out globule for puzzle box sometimes for dmg

tryna push 14s

[lofty glen]

giving a reminder for delve weekly. you can obtan crazy loot. my arms twink got the hast 2h on champ too

[proper moss]

What do you guys have your SpellQueueWindow set to?

[vast epoch]

Still waiting to see a warrior with though as nails on my heal and dps char , this hurts my soul so badly watching them play without it man 😭

No wonder someone legit said here once "don't see anyone running it" since most people seem clueless

Also man how are always people getting panic attacks from 12s on randomly on the most simple things , had a pala healer with 12s intime already die on first boss skyreach TWICE before the boss even hit 50 % and we just finished it off without him then dps started voted abandon zzzzzz

Thanks for coming to my ted talk , this is my first vent out in prot channel so super big moment k byee

[vast epoch]

"Always" aka whole tww + now when trying to start running them seasons starts xd

[rotund parcel]

Welp I just got keystone legend and am a happy meatshield this week

[drowsy comet]

Du Glückspilz ._.

[narrow prawn]

so close and yet so far

[edgy patrol]

How exactly is Prot doing good damage in raid? I'm barely breaking out of grey (7/9H, 1/9M). Am I just spending too much rage defensively?

[lofty glen]

:3

[mild river]

Noob question: what is block value?

[pallid quiver]

Block value is how hard you block when you block, effectively. It's only source of value from gear comes from the shield itself, hence why shield ilvl is so important.

[pallid quiver]

I haven't been playing this expac, but Prot Warrior hasn't really changed enough. The main things that cause you to do less damage than you should is:

• Losing uptime (walking away from boss, not doing mechs as fast and smooth as possible, etc.)
• Not actually filling every GCD even if you think you are
• Not sending your CDs on CD unless there's encounter specific things worth holding for (adds, bonus damage phases, and the like that ARE NOT too far off; if they're far off enough that you lose a use through the fight, generally you're worse off holding unless the group needs it to clear the encounter)
• Not using shield block at all while not actively tanking (Shield Slam does 30% extra damage while shield block is active; you do want shield block active while you're tanking, but if you waste any potential duration otherwise, it's lost damage)
• And then basic rotation hiccups (not sending rage properly, like oversending on IP/not sending enough on IP to try and hoard rage for Revenge or something, etc)

You can do decent numbers even without pressing execute a single time even in a lot of the recent expacs where Execute has been strong, so you can get by even just pretending it doesn't exist as long as you maintain the above. I don't know the exact tuning for Execute atm since, as mentioned, I haven't been playing this expac, but last I had checked it wasn't doing as hot as it has before, so that's probably even more accurate now.

If you want more specifics, you'd need to post a log for review sop that people can see what you're actually pressing

[edgy patrol]

Is there any priority/budget for pressing WW?

[pallid quiver]

Off your bars

We ain't Fury or Arms, so Whirlwind should just literally never be pressed

[edgy patrol]

WHELP that solves that

[pallid quiver]

The literal only circumstance in the game to press it

Is if you go to Torghast and get the power that makes it so whirlwind grips things in.

[edgy patrol]

So it is quite literally a waste of rage relative to it's dmg?

[pallid quiver]

Ye

It's more expensive than it seems, as well, since it doesn't interact with any of the rest of Prot's kit

Revenge has a chance to reset SS cooldown, for example, both making it so you get more rage over time, making it effectively cheaper, and also gives you more damage, as SS damage is stonks

[edgy patrol]

Ok I think that alone should make a huge difference. I was hitting WW as a rage dump as if it were Slam

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, your basic rotational priority is SS > TC > Revenge, and all your globals should be filled

You prevent rage capping when around like 70-ish rage by pressing IP

That'll also serve the benefit of maintaining your IP absorb for all situations except some of the toughest and most dire in the game

(It's fine if it blips off every now and then as long as you stay stable, basically, since you'll soon press it again)

[edgy patrol]

OK so ideally have SB up for SS, and SS > TC > Rev. And IP when >70

[pallid quiver]

Yep, that'll be the basic day-to-day rotation goal. Your CDs will have higher priority anytime they come up (manual Ravager if using that, Shield Charge, Demo Shout)

oh yeah

Unless you really need Demo Shout for a given instance, it should be sent on CD for the damage bonus and rage gen

It'll also serve the benefit of just making you take less damage for a time, too

[edgy patrol]

I appreciate the recap. I think removing WW entirely will fix A LOT...I know I've been full spending that

[pallid quiver]

No worries, I had free hands to help before bed

[edgy patrol]

🙏

[mild vessel]

During a single target fight, speaking of rotation priority, does Thunder Clap always have priority over Revenge?

And also

The same question in reverse: in the case of an AoE fight, does Shield Slam always have priority over Revenge?

[jagged pier]

your generators always have prio

[pallid quiver]

In pure ST, it's for the rage gen; the more rage you generate, the more you get your CDs back. So TC will pretty much always be higher prio than Revenge for both Colo and Thane, barring anything really weird

For the latter, yes always for Thane, since Revenge is much weaker than the main Shield Slam/TB loop that it runs on, and for Colo, you can farm adds when there's 3+ targets to get Demo stacks to reduce its CD faster to get more casts out (unless they removed that and I didn't notice), but that's generally niche and you can do fine damage without

That last scenario is pretty much the only time in raid you'd ever consider using Revenge over either of your generators

[drowsy comet]

first time seeing an Arms warrior, in a +8 WS

that will be fun

[ruby berry]

that boi is juicing

[narrow prawn]

i miss clicked my heroic leap and wiped my entire group

i feel guilty

[drowsy comet]

he switched to fury xD

[strong forum]

my new addiction is having 7hrs maintenance today

pain...

[strong forum]

i literally woke up early only to be hit with that

[cerulean tusk]

Why does it matter, you got all the time in the world, being retired and all

[jagged pier]

Nome doesnt like the outside

[strong forum]

i do like the outside

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

but i dont like it when its grey, rainy and cold

but also im addicted to shooting bad guys right now

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[jagged pier]

blankies and shooting it is then

[slate void]

what's warrior strength compared to the other tanks ?

[strong forum]

block

[jagged pier]

its a door

[strong forum]

Block OP

[slate void]

but other tanks do the same

[strong forum]

no, cuz they dont have block

pwar doesnt lose HP vs most attacks, only vs attacks that are specifically unblockable/ magic attacks/dots. For those you need your cooldowns.

a good pwar will always hover at 90-100% HP

[cerulean tusk]

Other tanks:
Ouchie, I take the hit, I better press feel good button now.

Warrior:
I aint gonna feel no ouchie, Shield up and front! Bonk

BDK:
"Why did I die through purg in one GCD... again" white swings in death log "ah, someone micro stunned them"

[pastel geyser]

its worth sending catalyst on champ gear asap if u can get 4 set right?

since now catalyst drops from random stuff when u get it i heard?

[jagged pier]

ye

[pastel geyser]

does it drop often? :D

[tribal wharf]

I was asking same question last night and got less of response don't feel so bad, coz I was asking if it caps them at like you only get 2 or 4 a week, or only for 10s and heroic raid kill

Same with this 272 10 vault reward, lvl 7 key reward in-game also shows 272 item, hero 4/6 I wonder, cuz it doesn't tell you in game

Cuz, ive done tons of ksm in past, but it changed sometime tww

You can't leave without voting it now

Uhh the different affixes are different, the io formula is different

[ripe seal]

I've done around 15-20 +10s after getting my 4set, and I've gotten like 3 catalyst charges.

[tribal wharf]

I did, I dunno 5 or so since get 4pc

Got 1

So I will go based on what you said drops every 5.5 keys

[tame jasper]

I think I got 5 with full NHC, 6/7 HC and about ~40m+

So quite common

[ripe seal]

NHC is a criminal abbreviation

[tribal wharf]

You'd have to search my messages and stalk my raiders profile to know for certain

In not at PC just yet crappy hand smartphone

So I'd have an easier time picking fly ship out of pepper with boxing gloves hanging upside down from ceiling

To pull all that up in next 5,-10

[coarse bay]

It’s hard to answer the question of if it drops often because it’s just rng, ive heard of people getting like 4 in a day and ive heard people complain about getting 1 in 40 keys

Ive personally gotten like 6ish in a decent amount of content, but i havent found myself running out

[tribal wharf]

I was able to get1 solid use out of it with bracer

[ripe seal]

I believe If you're out of range he still casts on whoever has aggro, so I think you should be fine.

[tribal wharf]

Turned it to crit haste and kept the avoidance +socket

On some hero bracer

[coarse bay]

Last boss magisters auto attacks are spells, you can be at edge of arena and still be the target

[tribal wharf]

Yes you do not have to he within melee or group wipes

I asked some blizzard dude on stream

[coarse bay]

I tried being neat and dropping puddles at edge but spending too much time out of melee isnt worth it, id just keep the puddles off to a side and handle any soaks in the area

[tribal wharf]

The mechanic for that is a debut gets put on you and it gets dispersed and few seconds later poop on the floor

[coarse bay]

Its not a few seconds later, its a 30 second debuff, it drops when healer dispells so you can drop it where you want if youre communicating

[tribal wharf]

So it's you job to bait them left and right repeating, away from where players are and volleyball land

To me it always felt like there was a 2 or 3 second delay between dispell and floor crap

Kind of spreads out slow I think

That's another he'll boss cuz if hit with star balls can't move for shit

Always has been, I fought it's 4 or 5 section variant on mythic once lol

[pastel geyser]

guys do we enchant avoidance or leech?

[atomic shore]

Guys is there are reflect-able debuff cheet for Midnight??

[pastel geyser]

in pins

[coarse bay]

Leech, avoidance isnt as important for tanks usually

Most of the damage we take isnt tagged as aoe

[pastel geyser]

got it

[coarse bay]

The amounts we get from enchants are also usually pretty small fwiw and u can pick whatever

[solid sun]

Speeeeeeeed

[coarse bay]

I too take speed when i can

Speed bis

[tribal wharf]

leech is dependant on you hitting your buttoins

i normally take speed one

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4M9cck-cig

somebody had a bad time in seat lol

[narrow prawn]

This pull is so easy, idk

[cerulean tusk]

No, he is just fishing clicks

doing it for every pull

it is just good tube gameplay

[tribal wharf]

i can see what you mean

[cerulean tusk]

Just lack the factial :O experssion

[tribal wharf]

i swear i've seen that arrow on other yt videos

its called the soyjack face

or just soy face

[solid sun]

Idk

I thought that was a solid video for tanks

Explained lethal mechanics people might not know about, showed an example of how to pull it in a way that avoids dying, even showed what happens if you do it wrong

More YouTube content like that and less tier lists

[jagged pier]

more tier lists

more money

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l6WQq21xEVo

pwar in a nutshell

[glad magnet]

ready to run a single dungeon boys

[gentle spindle]

if theres no tier lists how am i gonna know what my overlords consider good to play at that specific week

[solid sun]

Just play pwar

[pastel geyser]

imagine not being an engineer with 50 different repair bot toys

[tribal wharf]

actually for serious blizzard, how about fix weapon/shield durability lol

i could understand

if head smash attack from ogre

damaged my god damn helmet

[gentle spindle]

if john youtube doenst put it on A or above i cant man

[tribal wharf]

or toe stomp damaged my boots

i think shield block destroying shield durability

is something that firmly belongs in clasic

not retail

even with perfect play, and no dying, 1 keystone will have you repairing shield for 30 gold

[gentle spindle]

actually is insane the amount of times ive started an encounter with my shield broken without me noticing and having to swap to a shitty one so i can block

[tribal wharf]

i have 30 shield crafting points in black smith

and master hammer that doesnt die

but repairs and durability seem out of control

[cerulean tusk]

I rather have tierlists, ngl

[solid sun]

Wild

[cerulean tusk]

A lot more emotion is involved

=

better content

[solid sun]

Emotion from who

The viewer?

[gentle spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmuFYB4PO0

this has a lot of emotions too

[tribal wharf]

this is the sort of thing quake 1 and 3d games speeds runs are based on what hes showing

when it gets to the jump part

because you move so fast due to whatever the hell, and then you gain and keep that momentum going into a jump

he isnt jumping much in that one but there are others just like it where he does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-p5ru5FGNk

its as i often say

crazy things tend to happen (often and wildly!) at the polar extremes of anything

such as speed

[royal marten]

Fully specialized blacksmith should have the ability to make an item indestructible. Make it soulbound too, idk. Other professions should be able to do the same

[solid sun]

Well if you’re a maxed armorsmith with a masters hammer you can repair everything for free

That’s functional indestructibility

[tribal wharf]

its not lol

can still break

there is a cast time to the repair

so its not free

and its a dps loss

invulnerable and invincible are two very similiar sounding things, that infact are quite different, like the diference between composite and component cables for old CRT televisions

[solid sun]

wtf did you just say to me

Did you just say because repairing a piece of armor has a cast time it isn’t free? If you wanted to say it costs gold to make the hammer that’d be a better argument than it having a cast time lmao

And it’s a dps loss

Why are you repairing your equipment in combat

Just repair after every dungeon, ya goober

[tribal wharf]

guild inactive purge lol

[tribal wharf]

cuz , combat is how it breaks

dying too, yes, but that is almost always combat

if you are fighting a skeleton in the crypts

and your gun jams

or your drop your staff

or your sword bends or breaks in 2

[solid sun]

You shouldn’t need to repair in combat. I’m not even sure you can. If you get hit while mining it stops the action so I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens when repairing too

[tribal wharf]

then you have to repair it or use something else immediately

[royal marten]

Counter point, I'm lazy and just want to see the word on my armor cuz its cool

[swift narwhal]

Hi guys, I heard in the grapevine that as a prot warrior I should actually be opening the great vault as fury? Any validitity to that?

[jagged pier]

do u have a myth shield or raid mythic

[fathom meteor]

whats the strat for the 3 adept pull after the first boss in skyreach

[swift narwhal]

I have a 285 shield

[tribal wharf]

i cant get my shiled to take dmg

[fathom meteor]

getting blasted by firey talon

[tribal wharf]

im at the dps dummies lol

[royal marten]

For those guys you just need to stun and/or kite once in a while

[tribal wharf]

i dont think you take durability at dps dummies

i was sitting here for like 3 minutes

[fathom meteor]

roger, i got blasted and thought i was dumb turns out i am

[warm plinth]

How would you damage your armor at a dummy that doesn't hit you

[royal marten]

Nothing wrong being dumb, its the first part of being dummy thicc

[fathom meteor]

im a wall

[solid sun]

Where there’s a will there’s a way 😂

[tribal wharf]

ya, you can repair mid combat

i had to take int fall death to dmg shield to even test it

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-ian-malcolm-jeff-goldblum-should-could-gif-16617300

[tribal wharf]

shield shouldnt have broken mid combat

[solid sun]

This is how I feel everytime I see one of those creepy robotics videos

[warm plinth]

Why is it always then harassing the robot too, trying to knock it down and shit. Like are you trying to piss it off???

Them*

[solid sun]

Yeah it’s crazy

I feel like some people didn’t watch terminator or iRobot

[tribal wharf]

no

u have to put a kill switch

just in-case it does happen

thats what happend with the jailer

[gentle spindle]

switching to ur secondary is always faster than reloading

[lofty glen]

Guys. I have 264 gs and gettig doomed in 12+ as example 1st pull WW or after 1st boss sky. I get Hella fuxked there

[gentle spindle]

thats why u always carry an adventurer shield u got weeks ago, never catch me lackin

[harsh trellis]

Pugs?

[lofty glen]

Yes pug only sadly

[harsh trellis]

OK so sky... theres no reason for you to get destroyed after the first boss. are you trying to pull all 6 mobs up the stairs?

[lofty glen]

And I used every single cd in those 2 pulls

[harsh trellis]

In windrunner, you gotta move things out of the shield faster plus you gotta have a healer keep you alive

[lofty glen]

Yes

[harsh trellis]

Thats your group not kicking

so split it up

[lofty glen]

Hmmm okay

[harsh trellis]

if you dont trust your group split that pull up

Dont buy into the whole... (if you dont pull everything youre doin it wrong) an extra couple of seconds splitting the pull is worth it over dying

[lofty glen]

And it feels like disci and holy pal suck with warry? Only good good exp with sham and dudu

[harsh trellis]

Disc priest suck

holy Paladin is awesome

[swift narwhal]

Yeah priest eems weak this time around, had god experiences with hly pally and resto druids

[plush tendon]

a Paladin in general is big in these keys

[harsh trellis]

Holy Priest, Resto Druid, Resto Shaman

Paladins are strong

[lofty glen]

Hmm okay. So keep on trying 12+ qnd hope for "the best"

[solid sun]

Log a key

Bring it to us

[plush tendon]

the timers in these keys are free

[harsh trellis]

You should probably try to get into a group or start a team to run +12 or higher if you want to push

[plush tendon]

dont need the A-team to time them

[lofty glen]

Well sky was timed after i splitted all pulls

With 3min -

[plush tendon]

thats fine

a time is a time

[harsh trellis]

yep

[plush tendon]

im just chilling in 11s

[plush tendon]

just farming looties

though I wonder what this week affix is gonna be

[harsh trellis]

im leveling a brewmaster in my downtime

[plush tendon]

last week was super chill

[drowsy comet]

i get the mount, but dont get the fucking trinket

what the fuck

[solid sun]

All my tank friends quit

Already

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

why?

[jagged pier]

cause tanking poopy

[strong forum]

for some reason some of my friends who initially didnt plan on playing, did end up caving already...

weak...

[jagged pier]

addicts

[drowsy comet]

tanking really sucks yea lol

[solid sun]

My bear friend tried the AA plant pull 3 times and failed to live any of the attempts. We discovered he was letting IF fall off but he doesn’t care to fix anything and went back to frost mage

[plush tendon]

idk, tanking fun

[solid sun]

My other friend freaks out anytime he tries to tank so he went back to ret

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

And my other friend hates trying to get into raids as a tank so he went back to healing

[plush tendon]

I like being the main character

[jagged pier]

so much tank anxiety

[plush tendon]

everyone else is a side character in my adventure

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

It’s probably not the correct thing to say, to tell people to get thicker skin or stop caring so much about what randoms in a game think

Buuuuut

The tank anxiety thing is peaking

[jagged pier]

its the correct thing to do

[sand condor]

hi gang

is colossus actually good

cus i just did a 12 NPX and it went so muych smoother than on Thane

[jagged pier]

and thats in like real life too if u cant take some tough talking to sometimes u just arent going to make it

[sand condor]

might be bettter dps/haelers but still

[gentle spindle]

tank does have taxing components, u have to research way more bout the things u do

[jagged pier]

no ppl think u do

[swift narwhal]

Let it cook a bit longer, might have just got lucky with good group

[jagged pier]

thats just not true fir 99.9% of players at all

[gentle spindle]

going blind in a dungeon as DPS is not anywhere near the tradegy of a tank going blind

[sand condor]

i mean i also ran a 10, and i got complimented by a pug dps priest

[jagged pier]

i went in blind to all dungeons for the past like 8 seasons

[sand condor]

is colossus the recipe..or am i just a chef

[jagged pier]

its been perfectly fine

[gentle spindle]

how long have u been tanking

[swift narwhal]

Depends how long you been playing WoW, eventually you've seen all mechnics and just pick things up

[solid sun]

The thing I find most annoying about tanking is finding a pug raid that doesn’t have two tanks already

[ripe seal]

To piggyback off of Jakeys' answer. Yes It Is valid to do this but I tend to just open as arms. The logic behind It Is so you reduce the amount of items you can possibly get, which you don't need. If you have mythic crafted weapons or If you're raiding mythic (particularly during this tier) then you'll easily get a mythic shield, so you don't want one to drop from your vault potentially taking the place for another item which could be more useful.

[jagged pier]

a long time but, if the excuse is u need to know a dungeon thats just not true

[solid sun]

Or pinging in dungeons

[jagged pier]

knowing a dungeons and knowing how to tank are not the same thing

[sand condor]

I did ping a lot for positioning to the puggies

[plush tendon]

I agree with Jakey

tanks really dont need prio knowledge of dungeon or trash

they just need to know how to tank

[harsh trellis]

I mean knowing the route is easier this season

[plush tendon]

and, quite frankly, have good instinct

[jagged pier]

its been easy for like 8 seasons press w

[plush tendon]

^

[harsh trellis]

I find myself looking at keystone guru less and less

[plush tendon]

only Caverns is a bit screwy

[swift narwhal]

well i've got a 285 shield already, so feel like opening as fury is the play?

[solid sun]

Yeah pressing W is the correct method for the vast majority of us

[plush tendon]

every other dungeon getting count is super ez

[harsh trellis]

when you get into the higher keys you do see if people are changing up what tup pull

also

[undone beacon]

What the hell did I walk into

[harsh trellis]

Bring a lock to Mag terrace to skip the last 2 void dudes before last boss

[ripe seal]

What is your weapon? Since I believe If you're opening as fury now then you're also risking getting 1-handers IIRC.

[plush tendon]

no, locks are evil and stinky

[undone beacon]

Fury can’t get 1H anymore

[plush tendon]

[harsh trellis]

I use a crafted 287

[swift narwhal]

very bad, veteran

[ripe seal]

Ahh good to know

[swift narwhal]

Ojhhhh

[plush tendon]

its a big day today though

[fringe mural]

i'll craft shield and 1h so i'll not open as prot

[swift narwhal]

Then arms for possible 1-h and still a chance at alns?

[plush tendon]

first mythic vault, first mythic reset

and another craft?

[swift narwhal]

ha, now I am not sure, don't need a shield

[solid sun]

If you’re using a vet weapon you should open the vault as prot

[ripe seal]

You could craft a hero track 1-hander and just open as arms/fury, that way you don't get a 1H and/or shield to occupy one of the vault slots.

[solid sun]

So you can try to get a myth track weapon

[harsh trellis]

remember 4p > everything else

[swift narwhal]

No sparks left.

[fringe mural]

US reset time is so weird

[ripe seal]

Damn what'd you use them all on

[swift narwhal]

maybe SOL on this

[sand condor]

what if we all open as arms

[ripe seal]

Are you raiding?

[swift narwhal]

Crafted gloves like a dummy

[sand condor]

in a protest yk

[undone beacon]

Something something myth weapon and shield are better than crafted weapon and shield so open in prot until you have both

[solid sun]

What pash said

[plush tendon]

its Tuesday; for some reason everyone decided this is the day of weekly office meetings, lots of traffic, and wow reset day

[fringe mural]

So articulate

[solid sun]

Yall thinking too hard

You open as prot until you have myth shield and weapon

Ez

[undone beacon]

I tell it like it is

[swift narwhal]

but can't I get myth weapon form arms?

[tribal wharf]

vault soon boys

[ripe seal]

Not a 1-hander no

[undone beacon]

Not prot weapons

[harsh trellis]

just open the vault as prot

[fringe mural]

1h arms?

[swift narwhal]

while also possibly get alns?

Oh ok

[fringe mural]

cute

[swift narwhal]

right right, so prot it is

[sand condor]

renaming spec to fingers

[fringe mural]

This

[sand condor]

Finger Warrior.

[waxen cradle]

something something... open as prot and hope for the best

[sand condor]

wait...

[fringe mural]

Rogues feel insulted

[sand condor]

scratch that

[fringe mural]

Fingernail warriors

=rogues

[tribal wharf]

if i ever randomly fell into 5 million dollars, i would pay for wow m+ trainer

[swift narwhal]

Thanks for the advice all

[tribal wharf]

become 4k on all tank

[undone beacon]

Open as prot until you have weapon and shield on myth, then do arms or fury because there’s no diff between the two

[harsh trellis]

LOL wut

[waxen cradle]

what about toe nails.....

[tribal wharf]

something to do

[gentle spindle]

in my opinion u have prior experience on routing/cd usage and can connect the dots with pattern recognition, not saying u NEED to research, but u do end up thinking more about what mobs do and where to go than dps do

[tribal wharf]

cuz i always struggled at wow

[solid sun]

Hey everyone did you guys see that @toxic pewter pugged M Chimaera yesterday???

[undone beacon]

What if you only fall into 3 million

[solid sun]

APB the Dreameater

[tribal wharf]

i figure if i had professional trainer at it i could work it all out and do portals

i aint rich is what im saying

[harsh trellis]

if I fall into 3 million, im buying 2.9 million cats leaving me with 1 mil to feed them

[toxic pewter]

just woke up.. phew what a night

[tribal wharf]

and imagine it would be expensive as hell

[toxic pewter]

new raid comes out today also pog

[undone beacon]

Yogi you can do that for free

[fringe mural]

Better buy a math teacher

[solid sun]

APB pugging m new raid today

[toxic pewter]

lmao

hell yea

im gonna murder a'lar's baby

[undone beacon]

Belororororoen

[toxic pewter]

[swift narwhal]

First time raiding, how long do we have until next raid tier? Thinking of trying for a cutting edge.

[undone beacon]

A few months

[solid sun]

Respect the name

[swift narwhal]

already got dreamrfit aotc

[fringe mural]

Ahead of the curve is ages

like months

[undone beacon]

The difference between AotC and CE is very high. You’ll want to find a raiding guild

[swift narwhal]

Nice

[tribal wharf]

if you make the mythic raid the only thing you think about daily

you got it

[fringe mural]

what is cutting edge again?

[swift narwhal]

Banged my head against the wall for heroic lmao

[undone beacon]

Pugging CE is nigh impossible

[tribal wharf]

cutting edge is clear mythic raid

[undone beacon]

Kill the last boss(es) on mythic before the next season release

[tribal wharf]

TBF you could easily pug first like, i dunno, half of mythic raid

[undone beacon]

Yeah but the first half doesn’t get you CE

[swift narwhal]

Is it all bosses or last bos?

boss*

[undone beacon]

Last boss specifically

[tribal wharf]

gets you the gear to do parses to get into final boss mythic raid

[undone beacon]

This season there are three CEs

[plush tendon]

and three Hall of Fames

[undone beacon]

People don’t pug the last boss of mythic

[plush tendon]

I got my first one this week

[tribal wharf]

well i would hope not

[undone beacon]

I need a peepo headpat emote

[tribal wharf]

its like, if you go to race in formula 1

you have to pass a ton of tests

and prove you arent a pyschopath or idiot

[swift narwhal]

only a few guys in my guild that are pumping, sadly don't think I can get a group for mythic raids.

[tribal wharf]

to be a ble to race in it

[undone beacon]

Find a new guild if you want CE then

[harsh trellis]

I mean there are a ton of idiots in f1

[plush tendon]

what we thinking for our 3rd craft?

I may go with ring

[tribal wharf]

yes, but they filter them out

[undone beacon]

I’m thinking ring or wrists

[tribal wharf]

there is a million and 1 hurdles to become f1 racer

[plush tendon]

engi wrists or blacksmith wrists?

[harsh trellis]

Why are you even trying to play prot war? go be an f1 driver

[undone beacon]

Oh boy I forgot engi wrists

[plush tendon]

I miss the days of engi goggles being BiS

[undone beacon]

Yogi already is and that’s why he’s playing wow now smh

He was too good he beat F1

[toxic pewter]

wait are engineer wrists any good

[harsh trellis]

OH snap I wonder if I have his lego car yet

[tribal wharf]

back in the day i played all the racing games

[undone beacon]

Does engi shit still have tinker gems or whatever

[plush tendon]

idk, lets take a look

[toxic pewter]

do engi tinkers count as embel

[elfin elk]

Iirc they can have a single secondary stat

[plush tendon]

I do know they can be one stat

[tribal wharf]

story time

back in the day

[plush tendon]

instead of two

[tribal wharf]

i had got this shit or similiar

for ps1

and i was playing gran turismo 2 on the oval with 99 laps

and i found a GIANT HEAVY DUSTY ASS TOME

30 pounds book

and i sat that bitch on it

[harsh trellis]

lol not to derail prot war chat. but ... cool sim stuff there. I am a massive Forza and Horizon fan.

[tribal wharf]

and i won

[swift narwhal]

oooo nerfs to dungeons

[tribal wharf]

forza 3 was incredible but i erased the save file mid playing one day

forza 4 is okay

not as much tried the horizon games, i like being a little bit on there is a road and ditch and suchg

right, you know what i mean

[fringe mural]

My raiding days are behind me

[harsh trellis]

nothing wrong with that

[fringe mural]

Specifically raid leading days

did it 5+ years

[harsh trellis]

If I didnt love my raid team Id just do M+

[tribal wharf]

i wasnt crazy about, sometimes you are on road in that, and sometimes you are in field

[harsh trellis]

next one is in Japan

[fringe mural]

I'm chilling in delves and professions

[swift narwhal]

I swear to god blizzard will never achieve class balance.

[fringe mural]

the main reason i'm not raiding is the time frame

like people start raiding when normal people didnt even have dinner

i'd rather raid from 10 pm to 1 am

[tribal wharf]

huge nerf to keys

[fringe mural]

then start early like an elder

or a teenager

[harsh trellis]

oh god..... Mages werent able to blink out of something... FULL STOP URGENT OUTLOOK COMPANY WIDE message

[fringe mural]

people my age are like 'oh no i cant go to bed late, i'll be so tired in the morning

[molten gorge]

is there a break point for where Into The Fray is better rn btw or no? (in m+ I'm talking)

[tribal wharf]

who the hell is gladious sauro n

[swift narwhal]

lmao

[fringe mural]

1187

[plush tendon]

are you west coast?

[tribal wharf]

oh, thats guardian slauros

[fringe mural]

i'm baltic sea coast

germany

[swift narwhal]

I still think mobs hit too hard in maisara, but maybe I've been unlucky with groups.

[plush tendon]

[molten gorge]

the specificity of that number makes me think you're joking, but it's also a plausible number

[plush tendon]

yea, good luck Euro boi

cant help ya

[harsh trellis]

Are you a right route person or left route person?

[molten gorge]

[plush tendon]

we have the inverse, we have a guy from Denmark raid with us

[tribal wharf]

mages being bullied once again,

[plush tendon]

on NA

[swift narwhal]

I'm going right next time

After researching I think it is better for mob %

[harsh trellis]

oh I always go left

[fringe mural]

It think it's the right number, either that or 1188

haste rating to switch to itf

[solid sun]

When do you raid Augusto

[fringe mural]

So mean

i have a raid guild on my server that's not too bad, they're alliance though

and times are abysmal for people with kids

[solid sun]

Yeah I game only after my kid sleeps

Unless it’s a lazy day on the weekend

[jagged pier]

no such thing as a faction or server guild anymore

[ebon geyser]

I dont see numbers so dont see the nerf

[harsh trellis]

The game right now is fun just solo leveling.

[fringe mural]

Yeah i know

[fringe mural]

This

[tribal wharf]

huge keys nerfs boys lol

even more free than before

[tribal wharf]

if its easier to see, it will be easier to avoid

[lofty warren]

What are you supposed to do on last boss of academy?

[solid sun]

Kill it

[tribal wharf]

you cannot drag it through the puddles

[harsh trellis]

You move it around so melee can hit it

or you keep it stationary if you have 3 ranged

just dont make too many clustered puddles close to it

[tribal wharf]

you want to try to make sure that all possible exits (NSEW) are safe as in no crap there

[lofty warren]

How do you make a puddle? When he spits purple at tou?

[swift narwhal]

Puts a ring around players, players should run it out to the edges

Then it'll drop the puddle

[tribal wharf]

im going to guess its this

the tank blast thing is you just need something to live it

[coarse bay]

3 stacks if the debuff

Which comes from the circles u get or getting hit by balls

[swift narwhal]

Failed at the boss with DPS getting hit by the orbs too many times

[coarse bay]

Stacking and moving around edge of room is probably strat

[swift narwhal]

Get a group that knows how to move out of the way

[hazy fractal]

Astral blast gives the tank a stack too. The 3rd stack drops a puddle

[coarse bay]

Yup tank buster too

[tribal wharf]

those trash monsters that do the star balls end of seat are gross btw

they like to nuke any group im in if i dont move them away

[swift narwhal]

If in pool move out of pool. xD

If in fire, move out of fire.

profit.

[hollow patio]

You also get random stacks from time to time.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=373326/arcane-missiles
Has no cast time and will give a random player a stack

[coarse bay]

Thats the circle i mentioned i believe

Goes on dps

Or healer

2 at a time i think

[tribal wharf]

your job pepega is to NOT get hit by any balls, use defensives for attack, and move it out from under circles

[lofty warren]

What happened was the dragon dk gripped everyone while balls were under him and ppl died by touching his balls

[swift narwhal]

move the dragon away from the balls

[coarse bay]

If theyre close to boss they dont get gripped

[hollow patio]

No, that's Energy Bomb. It can also go on the tank but you can reflect it

[tribal wharf]

its the old in out

[hollow patio]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=374352/energy-bomb?dd=8

[tribal wharf]

when it does the vacum

thats when it will do the huge circle

but its also you need to keep it off the small circles then too

[undone beacon]

Make players immune to the little orbs while being pulled in and the fight is 100x better

[pastel geyser]

You can see df was the era of too much bs on screen

[undone beacon]

I’m trying to pump and here I go getting yoinked through a 70mph orb

[pastel geyser]

With how algethar is compared to the others

[tribal wharf]

they made alot of mistakes with dragon flight sure

[undone beacon]

idk man I go into pit and the horrible nameplate stacking on these pulls with 18 thousand little mobs certainly gives my ui a run for its money

[solid sun]

I have discovered a life hack for making AA more tolerable

[undone beacon]

Don’t do AA?

[hollow patio]

I don't think the other bosses are that bad. First boss doesn't do that much. Well without a poison dispell you are kind of fucked but that's something else.

[solid sun]

Listen to Britney Spears while doing the dungeon. Especially Hit Me Baby One More Time during last boss

Makes every orb touch funny

[plush tendon]

i was unaware that the last boss of AA was hard

[undone beacon]

They amped that sucker up I swear

In DF that shit was nap worthy

[tribal wharf]

no

it was always kicks your ass

[solid sun]

Yeah it’s harder than df for sure

[ancient coyote]

Hi! Quick question : why i saw some wartank using just one apex point, and talents like tough as nails and last stand? More survability ? Or just for big Keys?

[plush tendon]

in DF you would pull all the trash on him

cause it was free AF

[undone beacon]

Those tanks are silly, don’t do that

[tribal wharf]

well, its free if your group is good

[undone beacon]

They also juiced the trash before last boss and pulling them with boss is suicide

[plush tendon]

oh yea, those guys suck now

[ancient coyote]

Oh i won't it was just in case i missed something

[plush tendon]

granted, you dont have to pull much there anymore

[tribal wharf]

nahhh that trash has always been gross

[plush tendon]

its like 5 mobs

[plush tendon]

it wasnt bad in DF; it used to kill itself and you could Z axis the whirlwind

made it pretty free

[tribal wharf]

its not the 3 on the stairs

[solid sun]

They made the snakes worse too

[undone beacon]

Yeah you used to be able to pretty easily pull from the steps and blast it down

[tribal wharf]

its the 4 pull after

[solid sun]

I miss lining them

[tribal wharf]

and they do like a u have to bait out type of thing

shoots a ring a short distance

and it hurts like hell

[undone beacon]

Some tanks at the highest level forgo a LOT of damage (and survivability) in favor of niche minor defensive gains in order to push the highest keys before anyone else. These tanks also run in coordinated groups with very reliable DPS that they know can make up for their lack of damage

[tribal wharf]

thats why that pull is so painful

and that its a bit close to other packs you might aggro

the 2 on the path

you need your group to be baiting that attack out

[ancient coyote]

👌

Thx a lot

[undone beacon]

[tribal wharf]

one of the 4 in that pull is a caster you should kick

dunno why

im team kick all the spells

[solid sun]

Also another life hack

[dusky canopy]

Pain

So close

[undone beacon]

what a scrub

just deal .7% more damage 4head

[solid sun]

Brew falling off??

Get APB in that raid

Awesome. Powerful. Badass.

[dusky canopy]

3 deaths.. it was so a kill

[solid sun]

Are you extending this week

:>

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely not lmao

[undone beacon]

lmao

[solid sun]

Lmao

[drowsy comet]

Lmao

[dusky canopy]

I did however aquire this

Loot council god blessed

[woven radish]

Super ready to loot my mythic shield today, right?....RIGHT?!?!?

[undone beacon]

no int, mid sorry

[dusky canopy]

Almost had double bis trinket in one night because aln dropped but it went to a better dps

[undone beacon]

you'll get aln in vault dw

[dusky canopy]

God I hope it’s not a weapon vs aln

That’s what it’ll be you watch

[toxic pewter]

damn hell yeah

[plush tendon]

had a couple of wipes like that last night

but we got it

[dusky canopy]

Gz!

[plush tendon]

our RL, who is playing elemental, was 100% crashing out

from both the boss and playing elemental XD

[undone beacon]

Elemental

[dusky canopy]

I’m honestly surprised we didn’t get it but we had good success either way killing chimaeras can’t complain

[solid sun]

Is there somethigb wrong with elemental

[dusky canopy]

If only I did .7% more dps

I was noober

[plush tendon]

its damage profile in raid is bad and really struggles

in M+ its good

[solid sun]

Gotcha

Isn’t that kinda what warrior dps is

They just pad on adds

[undone beacon]

All i know is shadow buffs today

[solid sun]

Pash shall be immense

It must be nice to play a spec that gets so much attention

[dusky canopy]

Oh shit you know what

[solid sun]

If nothing else every balancing patch will feature psychic link

[dusky canopy]

Because we didn’t kill fallen king

I have higher likelihood of mythic aln in vault

[solid sun]

Brew sandbagged to ensure m aln in vault

[dusky canopy]

🤫

[solid sun]

Genius play

[dusky canopy]

Don’t tell em

[harsh haven]

Havent played since DF are we still spamming IP till 100% or is it not as important as using revenge as much as possible?

[solid sun]

Ummmm

We don’t care about ip uptime or amount

We press ip at roughly 70 rage

[warm plinth]

We've never spammed IP til 100%

[drowsy comet]

damn

[harsh haven]

Not even at start or is it handled from Violent Outburst and Brutal Viatlity?

[warm plinth]

It's an incredibly common misconception that IP needs to be spammed or has an uptime requirement

[warm plinth]

You will press IP a lot, but it's incidental. It happens with proper play naturally as a rage dump.

[solid sun]

Our primary defensive non-cd ability is shield block

Not IP

[undone beacon]

Yeah if you play protection correctly IP manages itself really. Rage above 70? IP.

[solid sun]

IP is a rage dump

We also still hit revenge

[unreal sequoia]

What’s the best way to get better. I did my first 10 this season and I’m pretty sure when I get randomly one shot I’m the problem lol

[harsh haven]

Sweet ill make sure to use it only as a rage dump then. Thanks 🙂

[undone beacon]

Practice

You can post logs here too for us to look at

Point out issues in performance and find ways to improve

[drowsy comet]

learn by playing, the more you play the better you get

[undone beacon]

But without logs we cant give advice aside from the generic points like, practice and keep SB up

[solid sun]

I noticed keeping SB up is a lot easier for me than keeping DS up on VDH

[unreal sequoia]

Got it. Logs require the addon right?

[solid sun]

Maybe it’s because my DH isn’t 90 yet idk

[warm plinth]

No, but it's more convenient with an addon

[drowsy comet]

speaking of logs, how do you even get them tho

[unreal sequoia]

Can I just find the run from raider io

[drowsy comet]

oh god

thanks

[dusky canopy]

It’s very easy

[unreal sequoia]

Wait is it the same as the final fantasy one

[dusky canopy]

You can do it

[warm plinth]

Yes it is

[unreal sequoia]

Oh

[warm plinth]

Except different site

[unreal sequoia]

Easy peasy

[tribal wharf]

i use something called "loggerheadlite" or a very similiar name

[warm plinth]

Warcraftlogs instead of fflogs

Same people though

[tribal wharf]

and what it does is when you enter dungeon it hasnt logged, it will say, do you wan to log this

and then it will automatically segment each log for you

[unreal sequoia]

So keep sb up 100%. Log. Practice. And any advice for not shitting myself in big pulls?

[jagged pier]

dont

[warm plinth]

If you don't want to use an addon, you can also manually type /combatlog to start logging

[solid sun]

If you’re learning

[solid sun]

Genuinely I wouldn’t just start ripping big pulls

[tribal wharf]

and so as you can see there

[solid sun]

The timers are very lenient rn

[tribal wharf]

its seperated all my different keys

[undone beacon]

Leverage your whole toolkit. Shield wall, Spell reflect, Victory Rush, potions, etc. Dont let mobs ever get behind you ever for any reason

[tribal wharf]

into its own file

[dusky canopy]

Install “Loggerhead” it’ll give you a one time prompt to enable logging in a specific instance and then you never have to think about it again

Launch warcraftlogs program hit live log and play the game

Ez

[unreal sequoia]

Is it better to backpeddle or swing your character to reposition

[jagged pier]

backpeddle

[undone beacon]

Hold S

walk backwards

[tribal wharf]

backpeddel but technically sideways run

[undone beacon]

If mobs get behind you for any reason then you are taking raw unmitigated damage

since blocking only works from the front 180 degrees

[unreal sequoia]

What’s the angle I can turn that isn’t considered back

[harsh haven]

Cant block with your back haha

[drowsy comet]

https://youtu.be/bpclkaH8Uoo?si=P4xVsuxL7Q_7GGGb Ppl died there? lmao

[tribal wharf]

it is possible to move fowards and keep blocking

but its a lil tought

[harsh haven]

If you are strafing it should be fine

[solid sun]

Very commonly. Don’t be a prick

[unreal sequoia]

Is this a shield only thing? Do the other tanks care?

Is parry possible from behind

[jagged pier]

every tanks cares

[jagged pier]

no

nither is dodging

[drowsy comet]

just curious, but how do you wipe there tho. Dont pull everything or get Lust ,no?

[jagged pier]

well the higher u go the scaling gets worst the harder the pull is

[drowsy comet]

yea that true

[solid sun]

It’s a hard pull

[swift narwhal]

I can't oull that +10 or higher

Impossible

too much damage, can't mitigate fast enough

Maybe is I use all my shield blocks

[harsh haven]

With CC and constantly repositioning you can do it

[drowsy comet]

the only thing I noticed on my resto druid in that pull is that Tanks really have to pop their CDs otherwise you get shredded, and I have done it on +10

[jagged pier]

i mean its fine itsa spill issue

[drowsy comet]

and Algethar last boss is getting nerfed

[jagged pier]

but thats okay

[undone beacon]

Bears have the most leniency since they dont block or parry, but yeah even for bears you dont want shit behind you because dodge

[undone beacon]

That pull ends up being a hard DPS check and a hard tank knowledge check. Doable but not neccesarily easy

I cant be assed to trust pug dps to kill shit fast enough even with lust so I just split the room

[toxic pewter]

honestly as I go higher in key level I will prob just pull like half the room then chain

[drowsy comet]

DPS are (mostly) braindead, so its a gamble

[solid sun]

Well

Kind of wow players are just a complete unknown

Idk why dps gets singled out there

[swift narwhal]

It's not faster if you pull the whole room and die shrug

[solid sun]

I see tanks not know how to keep their defensives up etc

I see healers refuse to dispel anything during keys

[undone beacon]

and waste lust while you're at it

[solid sun]

It’s all roles

[drowsy comet]

yea and then its always the healers fault, tanks need to stop being too confident

you cant play keys like you played M0s

[toxic pewter]

id rather take a bit safer and slightly longer than brick the key on fist pull

[drowsy comet]

period

[undone beacon]

100%

[harsh haven]

people are always learning and forgetting after months/years of not playing like me forgetting how IP isnt a high priority spam. It just takes mistakes and humbling yourself to ask question to get better

[toxic pewter]

ngl I hate bicking first pull

[undone beacon]

Me watching the tank in a seat 12 die repeatedly trying to pull the whole first room

[toxic pewter]

actually makes me want to alt f4

that seat first room is no joke

[solid sun]

I don’t get the entire first room thing in seat

[toxic pewter]

especially if u dont understand the champion charge

[drowsy comet]

You need lust

[solid sun]

I can see the little dudes and maybe two packs with lust

But the whole room?

Nah

[toxic pewter]

hell no lol

first three packs max

[drowsy comet]

same for Windrunners first room, if you go for the full pull you need lust

[harsh haven]

If the dps arent kicking its so rough in big pulls with caster mobs

[drowsy comet]

oh first 3, yea depends

[toxic pewter]

the main issue with seat first pull is the champion charges

if tank doesnt understand how it works

can shred them

[drowsy comet]

DPS need to do their fucking job and kick and do damage

then its not as punishing

[toxic pewter]

windrunner first pull is not bad imo

[near salmon]

seriously i hope they hotfix that. Getting pulled right into those flying orbs without your control feels like boss just trolling you

[undone beacon]

The wombo combo is wild

[toxic pewter]

now maisara caveerns first pull if u bring in bears can get crazy

[drowsy comet]

it is

[harsh haven]

windrunner got like 2 or 3 casters its not that bad imho

[drowsy comet]

you need lust otherwise its a wipe

ive done this so many times now

[toxic pewter]

wel lyeah def lust first pull i nwindrunner

[undone beacon]

Windrunner first room is not nearly as tank dangerous as seat or AA

I mean i guess if shear stacks get too high

[harsh haven]

Its always the 2nd big pull that gets dps killed because they havent kicked the casters who are in the back from my experience

[drowsy comet]

DPS can actually stay in the bubble to get like a 90% damage reduction in WS first room

but no, we all run behind the tank and watch him die

[mortal stirrup]

what would u guys drop for cheat death in a pushing scenario?

[solid sun]

Being the one observant dps in a pug 10 with some tools at your disposal is so fun tbh

[toxic pewter]

windrunner is a fun dungeon tho imo

we are strong in there too if i say so myself

[solid sun]

Handling all the kicks and cc and getting orbs from the affix

Meanwhile the ret is just standing there pumping

My bar looks bad rn but I kept everyone alive

Also where did Aug come from

They got dumpstered at the end of TWW

Now they’re back

[toxic pewter]

i did some like 14/15s with an aug and im not gonna lie it was great having one

[solid sun]

Are they still support?

[toxic pewter]

was knocking shit up

off healing

all kinds of crap