protection

[supple flume]

So, in Kira’s guide he says to use 4 points for raid, but for dungeon talents only 1. Is IV really the right thing to follow for dungeons?

[ebon geyser]

my biggest grief in pit is that ppl dont talk to the slaves

[solid sun]

Yes we support IV

[ebon geyser]

ignore what he or yoda or dorki do, are you running 20s with your own group ? no then use what iv says

we are 4 apex point happy clappy bois

[winter aspen]

4k overall dps is literal bot

No routing can do that

[coarse bay]

We did a caverns where we didnt free first slaves and noticed when we dropped into boss arena

[ebon geyser]

oof

[toxic pewter]

what route u guys using in MC

[supple flume]

But in terms of how it feels in keys with 1 or 4 points, what is most people’s experience? Or are people not really testing it for themselves?

[solid sun]

I don’t see where anyone said someone was doing 4k

[ebon geyser]

i left a group in mt because why im not using yoda way of pulling packs im like well thats a bye for me

[ebon geyser]

we all use 4 points

[winter aspen]

You gain single target over survival

Up to you if that’s worth

[supple flume]

Now that’s a response that was at least somewhat fair, thanks.

[supple flume]

I think you don’t need to do the same pulls as them, but rather understand why they’re using it.

[solid sun]

I mean it depends on the build

[ebon geyser]

they can swap point around because they have THEIR OWN groups, people and team, and they know they can pull the whole =20 and live because their groups know already what he is gonna do

[ebon geyser]

@supple flume this

[supple flume]

I brought this up because I wanted to know if there was any data on using 1 or 4 points in Apex.

[solid sun]

We have seen people drop VO and apex talents but pick up indom. Idk what Kira uses as a build

This isn’t the Kira discord

[jagged pier]

If your not taking the last point in apex there isnt much point in taking it at all

Tbh

[ebon geyser]

the only reason i mention them is kira and dorki are the ones that were saying 4 points in apex is garbage and you trolling using them , well mainly dorki

[jagged pier]

They stuck in beta thinking

[solid sun]

The last point def seems kind of important. Them moving the 5% DR to the last point clearly shows an intention you’d go all the way with it to me

[supple flume]

A lot of warriors are using 1 point in Apex, which is why I came to ask about it. So would the conclusion be that it’s just herd mentality, or is there actually a reason to use it for one reason or another?

[winter aspen]

Well you can be tankier but also sandbag on bosses

[jagged pier]

The reason is u get the wave proc

[winter aspen]

Isnt that shit on the first point?

[jagged pier]

But if your arguement is im taking ls indom and bsv to be more tanky and my dps doesnt matter u should jist drop it and go for VO too

Cause thats more defensive

[winter aspen]

Those 2 talents are def pretty beefy for defensives

[undone beacon]

At the end of the day people like Kira are running the hardest content ASAP with highly specialized and coordinated groups of people. They've made the decision that to try and beat the damage scaling they'll drop a lot of damage output (and survivability in the process) to pick up more "upfront" protection in things like last stand or indom. As such, their DPS players have to pick up the slack but they know they have a reliable team that can do that.
People then see the top players like Kira doing that, and instead of taking in the context of why they end up just copying the build and propagating it throughout the community. However most of the community is not Kira, and not playing at the highest echelon of content. Trying to mimic that ends up making them simply play worse, which is bad for them and their keys.

[ebon geyser]

number 1 war prot , 1 apex point look at the key levl

[winter aspen]

Well bro has 3 world class dps

Prolly on meta specs

[viscid rivet]

What do ppl take instead of those apex points ?

[ebon geyser]

number 2 war , 4 apex points

[winter aspen]

You wont have that

[undone beacon]

For the vast majority of the playerbase, running the recommended build is what will bring them success. Taking indom, last stand, bloodborne, whatever wont save a worse player. In fact it is more likely to make them play worse and reinforce bad habits

[jagged pier]

Its all most like its about group play more than talents

[winter aspen]

You will have 1 max 2 decent dps and usually 1 sandbag

[solid sun]

Sigh

[winter aspen]

The “meta” pick

[viscid rivet]

The party owner is usually the sandbagger

[winter aspen]

True

[solid sun]

Listen you dense blob. As long as I live as a tank, it rarely ever matters how much dam I do in raids as long as I keep threat. Tank dam is cosmetic. I also, again NEVER SAID tanks should not do damage. I can repeat it for you again if you want. TANK RAID ST DAM IS NOT RELEVANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT BRICKING M+ PERFORMANCE OVER IT. Thats what I mean with irrelevant.

[viscid rivet]

We do pretty sick dam tho

[arctic citrus]

thunder clap goes brr

[winter aspen]

If the apex talent was aoe big dam

Id never drop it

But ST eeeeh

[viscid rivet]

I wish colossus was a thing

[jagged pier]

We dont if u drop apex talents

[winter aspen]

You got dps ST specialists

[winter aspen]

True

[jagged pier]

It technically is

Better than mt

[winter aspen]

Thane kinda boring

[jagged pier]

Jist harder to play

[undone beacon]

when did that happen because last I saw thane still had a slight edge on damage

[ebon geyser]

it is, they have their OWN teams, and their teams know what he is gonna do before he even does it is all \

[winter aspen]

I might go colo cuz arms is trash and I love demolish

[solid sun]

Arms isn’t trash

It pumps

@dusky canopy show him

[winter aspen]

In m+?

[solid sun]

Yep

[winter aspen]

Surely not

[dusky canopy]

in key after

[winter aspen]

Show me

[dusky canopy]

my pb is 148k oa

[undone beacon]

Yeah it does pretty good in M+ actually

[winter aspen]

In AA only ?

[undone beacon]

Solid middle of the pack in picks

[viscid rivet]

That defensive trinket from skyforge is pretty good, nice to finally have at least one defensive trink

Good to have another button for some of the disgusting pulls

[ebon geyser]

need to be a PIn

[dusky canopy]

+15 pit

[ebon geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-christian-bale-gif-5333467

[winter aspen]

Damn

Nice

See ? No sandbags

Now imagine the hunter under that bdk lol

[undone beacon]

idk that mm lookin a lil low

cant even beat an arms warr

[winter aspen]

True

[undone beacon]

Man if evokers get mass disintegrate why can i have mass mind flay

that would be so cool

[winter aspen]

Is that the reg build on wowhead ?

Collo ?

[dusky canopy]

CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmxsMzMzYGAAAghphxwMbLzMzMjZGzMAAAAAGbmB2iBsZGDLwAzoNaMYBYGMGMbmtBzMAgZmhB

[dusky canopy]

thats what i run

[ebon geyser]

is arms easier or harder than fury

[dusky canopy]

iits "harder" sure

fury you just brain off jaclappa

arms you also brain off jacleava but you have to do the setup properly

[undone beacon]

ew set up

Who would wanna do that

[dusky canopy]

intellectuals

[undone beacon]

I play shadow priest half the pack is set up

[sharp gale]

Don’t glaze yourself brew

[undone beacon]

I’m so hype for reset tho gonna be big in keys

[dusky canopy]

lmao

dw I'm noober

[solid sun]

Brew always shines bright like a diamond

[sharp gale]

Im arms noober, my sin is envy

But I don’t like the gameplay enough to learn to do 99s on arms (level it would beat my fury on an arms fight)

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-bright-like-a-diamond-rihanna-diamonds-song-i-wanna-see-you-shine-i-wanna-see-you-glow-gif-13419490103795828708

[tribal wharf]

is it advisable to alwaays pull entire room WRS and i guess lust it around a 10 key

i think around a 12 or so key that would be quite hard without a lust

cuz it seems like it saves a ton of time to just pull em

as opposed to wait for lust on boss

[blazing shuttle]

So, the first week is almost over.

How are we feeling?

[solid sun]

In the groups I’ve been in I’ve been seeing first pull lusts in every dungeon

[waxen frigate]

In most seasons there are literal top keys timed without lust

[solid sun]

Don’t they just use drums

[frosty mango]

Is this the part where I climb back on the soap box and start shouting about how play skill > gear and comp

[sharp gale]

i couldn't launch battlenet /uninstall or install it again, i had to delete every single mention of it

[waxen frigate]

Well yeah

[sharp gale]

that's a big boy

[rocky crest]

Getting ass clapped in AA first pull also battle axes are cringe other than that it's decent

[blazing shuttle]

I am managing AA's first pull now but.

I had an experience. In which a DH dropped Darkness.

At the end of the pull.

[rocky crest]

Any pointers ?

[blazing shuttle]

Also yeah. Those battle axes are really fucking horrible.

[rocky crest]

I rotate Demo, SR SW and pray to god

[blazing shuttle]

I did it only as a 12. I doubt I could be of any help.

But I rotated, made sure to kite a bit at time.

[rocky crest]

it also helps if ppl with soothe could soothe those pesky insects

[blazing shuttle]

And also

Health pot.

[rocky crest]

mhm if bleed too high cry for not being dwarf

[blazing shuttle]

Also FWB on everything

[rocky crest]

I cant seem to drop the fucking bleed dot, even if I leap to narnia they still manage to get the dot on me

[tribal wharf]

if i wasnt getting duplicate loot

this would be fantastic

game give me loot

[winter aspen]

20% haste good enough for itf ?

[tribal wharf]

no

1188 which is more or less 30%

you will need huge ilvl or cheese it

[winter aspen]

crazy

[tribal wharf]

everything is haste something

and still 1000 only with 260

[winter aspen]

idk why the base build has itf then

[cobalt inlet]

Anyone know some wierd ass huge fkn shield I can use for my dwarf? the bigger the better

[winter aspen]

bulwark

HD version from WoD

[cobalt inlet]

that?

[winter aspen]

yea

[cobalt inlet]

its dope, but do we have bigger?

[winter aspen]

or this

[cobalt inlet]

give name please

[sharp gale]

I use uldir shield

[winter aspen]

its from mage tower

[cobalt inlet]

[winter aspen]

yeah Uldir also bit

big

[fringe mural]

Weird ass huge is the sunwell shield

[sharp gale]

Im fan of tower shields

Bigger than my gnome

[jagged pier]

I want a door in 1 hand and a door in the other

[sharp gale]

Tol dagor door shield bis

[jagged pier]

Yer but cant have 2 of them

[fringe mural]

sword breaker's bulwark

[chrome prism]

Guys, i've a doubt. I've 2 hero trinkets, a Jelly Replicator and Solar Core Igniter (who doesn't even appear on bloodmallet). It's there a way to figure out which one is better? I mean, Jelly replicator shows up on bloodmallet but gaining a 30% HP shield and 380 versa looks kinda good

[jagged pier]

U sim

Trinkets

[chrome falcon]

any hall of shamers LMAO

funny ass tier

[toxic pewter]

those are defensive trinkets why would they show up on bloodmallet lol

[sinful copper]

with 778 haste, do i take heavy repercussions or itf?

[sharp gale]

I guess it’s automated

Trinket on simc -> shows up on bloodmallet

[sharp gale]

HR

[fringe mural]

You need above 1180

[sinful copper]

omg lol

[fringe mural]

something like that

[waxen frigate]

I chimed in with a

[undone beacon]

1188 haste rating to swap to ITF

[fringe mural]

Yeah that's the sim value, effectively you need less since you dont get hit 100% of the time

[sinful copper]

i was using itf at 778 haste. no wonder it felt so bad

[warm plinth]

That's not the sim value. You're not waiting to swap due to dps which is all a sim will tell you.

[fringe mural]

do the 1188 take the charge with block into account?

[warm plinth]

The haste req for swapping is purely survival based

[daring marlin]

SHIELDSTOOOOOOORM

[fringe mural]

this

[mighty valley]

most players will be best served by just sticking with HR for this whole season lol

[undone beacon]

^

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/door-dark-souls-3-dark-souls-iii-dark-souls-dark-souls-ii-gif-4046331747508077032

Jakey PoV

[mighty valley]

just use your brainpower on playing better in other areas

[jagged pier]

I want

[undone beacon]

They need to add a 1 handed mace that’s just a shield model

Stat

[fringe mural]

Is there a particular reason the crafted sword is recommended?

[warm plinth]

Cos playing the double shield dark souls guy? XD

[fringe mural]

over the axe

[mighty valley]

weapons all the same, don’t worry about it

[warm plinth]

It doesn't matter

[undone beacon]

The difference is cosmetic, I think sword had cheaper mats

[fringe mural]

ah

[sharp gale]

Isn’t the axe recipe a raid drop ?

[mighty valley]

unless you craft a non-str weapon

[fringe mural]

nah axe is talented

[warm plinth]

It also never matters. I think they always just use the sword as the rec

[fringe mural]

i can craft it

[warm plinth]

For simplicity

[fringe mural]

k

[sharp gale]

Bc 2h axe is raid drop

[undone beacon]

Craft an int sword to be a smart warrior

[mighty valley]

gotta grind up that weapon skill

[sharp gale]

I may know someone who crafted 2 intel dagger on his rogue

[undone beacon]

When I was crafting on my priest I checked so many times to make sure I wasn’t crafting an agi staff lmao

[fringe mural]

Did he not look at the greyed out stats and thought it'll be agi for him?

[mighty valley]

you think people look?

[undone beacon]

Also hype for another craft next week, gonna have my big mastery proc belt for priest

[fringe mural]

i crafted a caster axe that was so weird

[sharp gale]

Idk it was in S3, they all have the same name and/or icon

[fringe mural]

for pala heal

[mighty valley]

remembering yogi’s day-long crashout over equipping agi warbound gear

[undone beacon]

Yeah that was fun

I need like 2 more 10s on the warr so I can craft a weapon and shield and feel big

[daring marlin]

YOU ARE BIG

[jagged pier]

Probably crafting shield on reset

[fringe crater]

i wonder if arms is the play for raid (dps) with my stats (prot) next week...

[undone beacon]

[jagged pier]

It doesnt matter u can play prot with ither stat prio

[undone beacon]

I don’t plan on going into myth raid pugs on the warr so I’m just gonna make a shield and not think about it lol

[sharp gale]

You can play fury or arms, just change your jewelry to heavy mastery if you go fury, it will be enough dw

[fringe crater]

alright thnx for all your inputs

[tribal wharf]

im tempted to create fist weapon

[drowsy comet]

Im tempted to virtually punch people

[waxen frigate]

how bout you create some happiness in the lives of others

[drowsy comet]

Theres no happiness when tanking with pugs, specifically

[daring marlin]

so tank dungeons for my warlock 😤

[coral quartz]

On lightblinded vanguard with the tank swap do we taunt during the judgement cast or after the judgement as I had some varying results in the raid there

[undone beacon]

During the cast

[tribal wharf]

i did it anywayws

[coral quartz]

That’s what I was doing but sometimes finding it would still follow up on other tank.

Maybe my taunt mouse over is a bit fucked

[inland garnet]

hey anyone has a brew alt? somehow the damage I can pull in comparison to prot warr / pal is like -20% lower

[sharp gale]

Aren’t you having fun tho ?

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-online-internet-computer-gif-8180219

[drowsy comet]

why u ask here, the monk discord is there for this kind of question

[sharp gale]

Im sorry to tell you pal is not 20% behind prot

Im sorry for your friend*

[drowsy comet]

French fry

[sharp gale]

You are here since months and you still missed the vibe

[dusky canopy]

I need a shield that big

[bleak breach]

Comparatively brew is about the same as warrior, ever so slightly less but not really noticeable.

[inland garnet]

got it thanks

[bleak breach]

Either a rotation or gearing issue.

[drowsy comet]

The vibe is here, im there

[drowsy comet]

Skill issue more likely

[inland garnet]

I am just shocked by myself, dmg on my warr seems more than fine but brew is kaput

[drowsy comet]

Brew is basically just Keg Smash and Fire Breath

[inland garnet]

I thought so too

[drowsy comet]

gets so boring so fast

[bleak breach]

Can take a while if you’re not used to it

[inland garnet]

I play it for already 3 days but not might that easy :)))

[sharp gale]

Brew should do slightly more than you, but not very noticeable in overalls

[bleak breach]

I think we’re slightly ahead now after buffs/nerfs

Only just, but slightly

[drowsy comet]

i could be a dick and get Jakey here but since im in a better mood, I am helping

[drowsy comet]

Sure you run the right talents and stats? What about your ilvl gear

[inland garnet]

same ilev, talents are wowhead recommended shadowpan M+

[drowsy comet]

stat priority is for all classes quite important to hit certain breakpoints

[bleak breach]

Master of Harmony got nerfed pretty hard too, so you probably want to be running shado pan

[sharp gale]

You run shadopan for dmg yes

[drowsy comet]

shadowpan does good damage on its own yup

[waxen frigate]

thats literally not true lmao what

[drowsy comet]

maybe your opener or whole playstyle is wrong

[waxen frigate]

there are no breakpoints on brew

[inland garnet]

99.9% it's a skill issue

just checking if I am missing sth

:)))

[sharp gale]

Yeah I was doubting if lil pug is rage baiting with stats breakpoints

[waxen frigate]

you can dm me your logs if you dont want to put them in monk disc

[bleak breach]

@inland garnet easiest start for me if I find I struggle on a fight is compare your log for the same fight to see if your damage profile is the same. I.e is your top 3-5 damage abilities the same as theirs?

[inland garnet]

aha!

[bleak breach]

If the overall profile is the same, then you’re probably not pressing those buttons enough, if it’s not its rotation.

[pallid quiver]

you need at least 1 HP to be alive, most important breakpoint, don't @ me

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-grin-smile-smirk-awkward-gif-22382508

told you im in a good mood

[sharp gale]

To be real honest, you should do very similar on both, it might be skill issue (we all have skill issue on other specs)

[inland garnet]

got it

just practice then

[drowsy comet]

learnt to not giving a FUCK about what others say. DPS deal no damage, type DAMAGE??? And move on

btw where is Nim, this old fella I havent seen for a couple of days

is he okay

[bleak breach]

He’s always lurking

[sharp gale]

Old so he has to sleep in the afternoon

[drowsy comet]

i know, hes a rat

[drowsy comet]

might explain why nothing is going on here

[waxen frigate]

retruth

[drowsy comet]

my sleep schedule is fucked anyway lol

[bleak breach]

Alleria on heroic is interesting

[drowsy comet]

Oh boy you dont know what I have witnessed when I took a couple of days off of tanking, and went healing...

[bleak breach]

Hopefully knock her down tonight

[drowsy comet]

the urge to get back to tanking got so high today lmao

[sharp gale]

P1 is doggo

[daring marlin]

Nimchip is in the desert

[drowsy comet]

need that dopamine kick

[bleak breach]

P1 feels boring then in p2/3 I can barely see anything other than black on my screen

[drowsy comet]

Arent you supposed to be sleeping, isnt it like 4 in the morning in NA or so

[drowsy comet]

P3 is basically a DPS check

[daring marlin]

It's nearly 5pm

[bleak breach]

But I mean as tanks in that fight we don’t honestly have that much to do other than tank and spank

[drowsy comet]

Then go back to sleep, jesus

[sharp gale]

Wdym ? Are you tanking or dps ?

[bleak breach]

Tank

[daring marlin]

It's 5am in the phillipines

[drowsy comet]

yea fuck timezones, never liked them

Who invented this shit

[sharp gale]

I feel it’s usual raid boss, nothing but taunt swap every X sec

[drowsy comet]

taunt swap with dragons is fun

[bleak breach]

Yeah P1 can be interesting if you tank the solo add, but I find it’s pretty chill as warrior anyway. The little things only melee

[sharp gale]

Taunt swap with dragons : there is no taunt swap

[drowsy comet]

funnier when just one person is able to wipe the wipe the whole raid when hes feared

[bleak breach]

Plus you get the good parses tanking the solo one

[bleak breach]

Yep, just out gear and don’t swap =gg ez

[drowsy comet]

We had to, because one half always did so much damage

[sharp gale]

One half ?

[bleak breach]

DPS just need to switch targets

[sharp gale]

You can hit both

[bleak breach]

That’s not a tank problem

[sharp gale]

Melee can hit the one flying

[daring marlin]

I just swap tbh

[drowsy comet]

with pugs its a nightmare

[toxic pewter]

just gotta start doing 15+

pugs get a lot better

[sharp gale]

100% more cursed if tank swaps in p1 and p2

[drowsy comet]

ayy now the cool people are coming back

[mild river]

Any tips for the last boss in AA besides "get gud"?

[sharp gale]

You cause most of the wipes just bc the swap

[daring marlin]

I'm talking as dps

[bleak breach]

Yep, the tough point is that 10-13 range for pugs

Either get pumpers or spuds

[drowsy comet]

Pray.

[toxic pewter]

yeah like after u start doin 15s and crap it filters out a lot of dudes

[drowsy comet]

Pray for good

[mild river]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

I just keep moving the dragon

to open spaces

[bleak breach]

The only time I’ve ever swapped is p3

[sharp gale]

Some think you need to in p1 and p2

[bleak breach]

It’s all just about the group not getting too many pools everywhere, but start all the way down one end and slowly drag to the other end.

It is a lust boss though because it sucks.

[drowsy comet]

think imma go back to my ppal, no other class gives me that dopamine when divine toll hits. 230 ilvl rn... ugh but atleast I already got shoulder tier set piece, somehow SOMEHOW it dropped on my brew monk lmao

[drowsy comet]

tame the beast

[sharp gale]

Every time Im logged on you are on a other chat lil gup

[drowsy comet]

wdym by that

[sharp gale]

You were healing for few days no ?

[drowsy comet]

Yea

i told you js minutes ago im going back to tanking lol

tho i also learnt I shouldnt take anything serious what some idiot is saying ingame...always DPS thinking they rule the world lol

Think with how I pull and my routes Imma time ALOT more keys than what I saw from other keys

When I did a +4 on my healer, our tank somehow messed up to get to 100% in Maisara Caverns, so after the final boss we had to spent another 5mins to kill a couple of trash lmao

same thing happened in Windrunners lmfao

im talking too much again

[bleak breach]

I hadn’t looked at a route for Windrunners and reckon I had 160% at the end of my first 10 hahaha

[sharp gale]

It’s at that point where rio score can mean they are a functional human beings under, don’t expect much

[bleak breach]

A couple of them are so streamline going over doesn’t make much difference. The dungeons are so linear that the extra % doesn’t add any time as it’s just slightly bigger pulls.

[warm plinth]

You're a functional human being.

Fuckin gottem

[sharp gale]

[drowsy comet]

Everyone under 4000 io is bad

[sharp gale]

Im not saying that

[drowsy comet]

isnt that obvious

[sharp gale]

Ppl can be goated players at every rio, just the score gives you the hint only at a certain point

[drowsy comet]

Nah im just playing. There are people who can play, met some in pugs too. But theres very very few

[toxic pewter]

oooh a yogi video

😄

[tribal wharf]

i did what had to be done

[toxic pewter]

oh no...

[mighty valley]

ok. how would you describe your own play here

[tribal wharf]

well i fucked us up, then i unfucked us

[maiden quiver]

Roughly 50% of players are better than average

[tribal wharf]

i mean, i dunno how else to say it

[toxic pewter]

u timed it tho very nice

[bleak breach]

Toxiccccc

[drowsy comet]

All comes down if you have a brain and know to use it. Many many MAAANYY people lack braincells

like genuinly

if you as a tank start to pull 2-3 packs and not use any defensives...you are fucked lol

and dont blame the healer for your stupidity

blame the DPS

[maiden quiver]

If the dps killed faster it wouldnt be a problem

[drowsy comet]

bad dps

damage??

my favourites are the ones who legit said "I couldnt interrupt I was in the middle of my damage rotation"

BROTHER what the FUCK you mean

[lime geyser]

are you using something that tracks dangerous casters in m+? i remember in the last season i used a wa that automatically targeted all the enemies with skulls/circle etc so everyone in the group had one of them to kick

[sharp gale]

i use the infamous random kick macro, and i try to kick/stop everything

i have casters nameplates in different color

[lament zealot]

Is thane doing more dps than col atm?

[undone beacon]

Do I be a meme and make the embel shield instead of a normal shield

[ornate palm]

Most definitely

It’s the only way to ensure you get a mythic shield in the vault.

[undone beacon]

An absorb shield for 1200 damage randomly is preeeeeetty huge

[drowsy comet]

Do we still go MT or Colossus in keys. While im here maybe I should go Pwar instead Ppal, some dungeons are hitting abit hard especially in pugs

[proud dock]

Wat the idea behind chain pulling? It feels like a waste of time killing off 1 mob but a caster in my group is complaining about not being able to cast during chain pulls and wants to finish off a single mob. Am I wrong for trying to optimize time and move along once enemy casters are dead?

[drowsy comet]

replace caster with UDK, problem solved

[undone beacon]

Chain pulling is very normal. The only reason to not chain pull is if your healer needs mana

[drowsy comet]

jokes aside

yea chain pulls are common. Casters need to get used to it

[undone beacon]

Also most casters have something to do as you're chaining. If they aren't, they aren't optimizing

[drowsy comet]

Replace them

melee superior

[proud dock]

yeah, thanks. thats wat i figured. just dont know how to get them to git gud.

[drowsy comet]

Tell em the truth. They need to adjust, you are the tank

You could wait and do slower pulls, but that costs time

[undone beacon]

It most def is a skill issue on their part. Chaining is a very normal thing for M+. They just need to practice

[drowsy comet]

Pash can u answer my question now

MT or Collossus in keys

if it even matters

[undone beacon]

Mountain Thane

Both can perform but Colossus is much harder to play

[daring marlin]

based

[ruby void]

Tell the casters to learn stutter stepping. You can take a couple steps at a time during the gcd, which adds up. Not to mention chain pulling doesn’t mean you’re in a whole ass sprint going pack to pack.

[drowsy comet]

@sharp gale how much gold did you pay for your 1h and shield, if you crafted them

[chilly brook]

Fury feels kinda…off?

[sharp gale]

as tip ?

i crafted a 2h, it was 22k + 1 k tip

[drowsy comet]

2h? arent u playing pwar?

[sharp gale]

no

im a dps war

[drowsy comet]

ahh forgor

[jaunty finch]

INTRUDER

[sharp gale]

but i used to be prot/ i do some keys as prot

[drowsy comet]

hes french, its fine

[jaunty finch]

i didnt pay anything, cause im weapon and armorsmith by myself, but most of people are tip around 1-5k

[mystic cave]

im a 5ker

[drowsy comet]

Yea think imma go prot, thought again about the dungeons and tbh think pwar is doing better than ppal. Especially when going up keys

atleast i can blame the dps for not kicking

[sharp gale]

it's just i don't like raid tanking at all, and raid is my main content

[soft dragon]

hihi

sorry to bother

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/g481vbjGYXVWnKP6/7ZDzyRNwxG9Pt2dj?type=damage-done&fight=29&source=11%2C484

[sharp gale]

tww

[soft dragon]

is the dps difference that huge only from trinket and mastery ?

(had no haste flask Zzz)

[drowsy comet]

3 as boomie

hm okay, yea tank raiding is quite a hussle

[cosmic harness]

Hi guys, quick question, weapon higher prio than shield?

[sharp gale]

banbiwar got punished by not hitting the adds

on the first boss

[soft dragon]

Yeah for that one its alright, i knew it so its okey

but on the second

one

[sharp gale]

he is stance dancing

vantus

[raw parcel]

I believe shield is basically always top priority.

[sharp gale]

vastly better trinkets

you don't have your tier set

[jaunty finch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/99647259?zone=47&metric=playerscore
anyone got some advices? Playing pwarri since s3 tww. Feeling a bit squishy still.

[desert brook]

how are you all doing your big lust pulls? im just getting slammed it feels like. im doing something wrong i know i am, and then when i try to save myself i blow through all of my defensives.

[mighty valley]

Dump all this overcapped rage into IP for a start

[mighty valley]

Have you got a log where a pull went wrong? It’s kind of a broad question and it mostly comes down to doing all the basics correctly, not getting hit in the back, using defensives proactively for the highest damage in the pull, and not panicking and rage starving yourself

[fringe mural]

So if revenge is basically an optional spell defensive-wise, could you theoretically just dump all rage into ip and use a little now and then for the occasional shield block cast? I guess that would net in way less wasted rage

[mighty valley]

It is not an optional spell

You need to press it when your other offensive abilities are on CD to maximize SS reset chances

[fringe mural]

oh it can reset ss right

[cosmic harness]

I asked cause in the guides says weapon first, so I was wondering

[solid sun]

Well there’s nuance to it

[raw parcel]

I believe that might be because the first boss of raid drops a shield, but I don't raid so... shrug

[mystic cave]

Revenge is worth after SB/with procs oto

[solid sun]

If you raid mythic and are going to kill the first boss soon and you think you’re going to loot that shield asap then it makes sense to forego the shield craft

[cosmic harness]

Yes, then I saw the loot table and maybe is because of that

[solid sun]

But you absolutely can craft a shield if you’re going to get there later or not at all

[cosmic harness]

I won't kill M first boss in a while so better start crafting the shield

[mighty valley]

You can just craft both now, right

[fringe mural]

There‘s also a good shield for open world pvp tokens

To start with

[solid sun]

Yes you can

[fringe mural]

if you dont want to spend sparks

[solid sun]

You need like what 160 myth crests to craft both

[fringe mural]

160 yes

80 each

[raw parcel]

Nothing else to do with them until we get myth vault anyway.

[fringe mural]

Fury warriors cry about sparks though

[mighty valley]

Makes sense

[fringe mural]

need 8 for the weapons instead of 4 like everyone else

because 2 2h

[solid sun]

No?

You only craft the main hand

You don’t craft the offhand

[fringe mural]

you do?

why no oh

[solid sun]

Because the OH is way way way less important

[fringe mural]

Is the skill dmg still calculated by mh only?

[solid sun]

Idk I just know everytime this comes up the vets here say fury only crafts mh

And I’m not gonna argue

[fringe mural]

okay

well me neither, archim is older than the fucking spec

but it makes sense

i‘ll try to get me some myth crests to craft the shield

[jaunty finch]

Yee.. i cast way to much revenge and way to less IP.. need to swap keybinds i guess.

[fringe mural]

I tested a little today, the moments you waste rage are the ones where shit procs

so if you see a lot of bling, cast ip

😄

[mighty valley]

Nah, you don’t need to cast revenge less, you just need to cast IP more

It’s not on GCD, just press both

[fringe mural]

it happens when you focus on the rotation too much, you lose focus on the rage bar

[cursive jacinth]

can you guys tell me what im doing wrong with my spells in m+ my dps seems low

[fringe mural]

Whirlwind?

[warm plinth]

Are you ragebaiting us

[cursive jacinth]

that was my tank

I was healing

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

That's not good.

[daring marlin]

sensing a pattern here

mages suck

[fringe mural]

maybe he was from a time where revenge only hit one target

and thought he would aoe the shit out of stuff with ww

[cursive jacinth]

can you explain this

single target

[jaunty finch]

those whirlwind casts killing me

[fringe mural]

Wild

[daring marlin]

swoosh swoosh swoosh

he likes the sfx

[fringe mural]

Is that the integrated dmg meter?

[mystic cave]

o_o

[cursive jacinth]

its details but thats just a reskin

[mighty valley]

Quick hit the link before the mods get here

[warm plinth]

<@&257983573498265600>

[fringe mural]

we dont clap cheeks, we clap thunder

[warm plinth]

Oh shit, rare Macrologia sighting

I'm honored

[fringe mural]

cant bait us with cheap links

[mighty valley]

it takes way more expensive links than that

[undone beacon]

This is bad on a legendary level

Tell them to unbind whirlwind and hit revenge instead

And if they argue, find a new tank friend

[fringe mural]

well tbf for a second when i came back end of tww i was thinking maybe prot will use whirlwind if it has the spell

but just for a second

[cursive jacinth]

it was a pug tank it was just a nine so it didn't hurt us I was just looking at the logs at the end when I noticed he did 11k dps on a boss

[mighty valley]

tbh I don’t know why whirlwind is still in the spell book, pure new player trap

[fringe mural]

Exactly

[ebon geyser]

i dont even have it in my bars and im the shittiest here

[undone beacon]

flavor

[mighty valley]

but it doesn’t taste good

[fringe mural]

This isnt mtg

[undone beacon]

bad is a flavor and some people like it okay

Like that guy

[ebon geyser]

Whirlwind

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-king-of-flavour-gif-18146501

[tribal wharf]

8 pieces of duplicate non weapon non trinket

and 35 death 6 pos

cuz the dps cant figure out put circle on glow for 6 wipes

[ebon geyser]

slowly getting YUGE

[tribal wharf]

game is annoying me

[daring marlin]

last boss?

[tribal wharf]

ya, dunno language issue or something

but we went over what we had to do first try

could have timed in in first 3 tries

but it was rage leave immediately after boss dies

[fringe mural]

You need to add sockets

What‘s patron of war, is that the simp title?

where you did some twitch stuff

[lime spruce]

Got 3k last season tanking for the first time. Was one of my best gaming memories ever going from suck to champ. Loved the difficulty and learning curve, was hoping for some of that experience again in S1. Unfortunately, 3k doesn’t feel like a worthwhile goal for me anymore (based on dungeon design & tuning).

I’m at a crossroads now: either play something else, OR amp it up and go for M+ season title.

Just how hard is it to get top .1%? How hard is it to pug? How important is team comp / having a regularly scheduled group? Do I have to learn new strange tech or is that more for MDI levels? What are the pain points that are new for someone going for HoF who only pushed to 3k last season?

[ebon geyser]

you cant no settings unless you get them from vault

[tribal wharf]

its the rogue lmao

he has no brain

[fringe mural]

I was messing with you

because the overview says it‘s missing

got unlucky with rings?

or is it a good ring

[ebon geyser]

me yes

[fringe mural]

stat wise

[ebon geyser]

keep getting capes and helms

[fringe mural]

i got a 200 haste amulet today with proc on shadow dmg

can you embellish amulets?

to change the effect

[tribal wharf]

ya, mostly the rogue

but the entire group didnt seem to understand that boss

hunter priest eventually got it

that guy is top 10 biggest morons

ive encountered recently

[undone beacon]

The gap between 3k and title is much higher than noob tank and 3k. Pugging to title is a war of attrition, you can expect many many many hours of failed keys. Having a team helps a lot, but even then they all have to be playing very very well.

For context, the cutoff for season title last season was 3912 rating or so, which was all 21s?

[lime spruce]

Gotcha, thanks for the honest feedback, probably not for me then

Trying to find a game that scratches the challenge itch on a dad gamer schedule that isn’t an extraction shooter lol

[undone beacon]

If you want to set a good goal for yourself and work towards that level, pick a resil goal. When you do all 8 keys in time at a level you get that level as resil. Pick a key level that seems like a reasonable challenge and shoot for it

"I want to get resil 16s" this season

And if you get it and want more, go for resil 17

its a great benchmark

[fringe mural]

resil?

[undone beacon]

Resillient Keystones

[fringe mural]

they dont break when you fail?

[undone beacon]

When you time all keys at a level 12 or above, they become resillient and dont deplete if you fail

[fringe mural]

ah

[undone beacon]

So if you do all 12s, your keys cannot deplete below a 12

same for 13, 14, 15, so on

[fringe mural]

they fall back to your resil lvl

gotcha

[lime spruce]

Idk what kind of weird brain conditioning I’m under but if there’s no extrinsic reward in an MMO I’m way less interested in that (even if that makes a ton of sense to use as a goal) when it’s not like “I want to 100% Tears of the Kingdom” is more intrinsically valuable 😂

[tribal wharf]

im gunna have to start putting the finishing touches on the mdt routes for all these keys now

notes n shit

[undone beacon]

Yeah, sadly nothing between 3k and title except for the resil achieves themselves i suppose

[lime spruce]

Yeah that’s unfortunate I understand why they don’t want to but tbh maybe a 3.5k achievement and reward is the solution to the undertuned season

If there was some permanent trophy / reward for hitting 3.5k I’d be logged in rn otherwise I’ve been trying Warframe for the first time in years

[torn gulch]

the 3k achievement was added as answer to player feedback about the lack of rewards
maybe at some point they'll add another breakpoint, something like top 1%

[undone beacon]

I think they're trying to tamp down some of the fomo, i mean hell people whined about keys giving better vault rewards as you did higher levels

up to 18s i think?

[torn gulch]

that lived for 2 weeks on beta

[undone beacon]

exactly

before it was slashed

[lime spruce]

Yeah I don’t want it to be power fuck it man literally give me a housing trophy and I will log on right now

Something to put on the mantle for 3.5k

I’ll fuckin do it

[undone beacon]

you'd be suprised how small the overlap between people who want to push to 3.5k and the people who enjoy housing is lmao

not that i disagree though

[lime spruce]

Raiders get a trophy, make one for M+ too

I couldn’t believe they didn’t do that

[ebon geyser]

you want a ring.. best i can do is

[lime spruce]

Yeah I’m not so much looking for FOMO as much as opportunities for permanent meta-progression like cosmetics and titles and shit

[undone beacon]

they shoulda made busts like for prey

woulda been cool

[lime spruce]

It doesn’t have to be big I just want something

[torn gulch]

they could've made the same trophies you get in raid

[lime spruce]

Absolutely those are way cool

A bust representing the dungeon if you clear its +17-18 or something, hell just slap the final boss of each dungeon on a bust and call it a day

All I need

[fringe mural]

That trinket isnt too bad is it?

haste plus str proc

[daring marlin]

man

pit is ez

have a 15 AA now and uh

fuck that

[mighty valley]

astalor makes me bust

[daring marlin]

[undone beacon]

real and true

[solid sun]

hes a little to broken

[daring marlin]

@undone beacon come ride in a wagon with me in Silvermoon

We can hold hands

[undone beacon]

if i wasnt doing hero crown i would

[daring marlin]

get that loot

[undone beacon]

i hope

i want the cool shadow damage neck

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-blizzard-activision-blizzard-activision-bobby-kotick-gif-10247464055084334428

[undone beacon]

do one of those but make it say lizard

[tribal wharf]

these loot hoarder give me the loot! ppl i swear lol

not even 5 seconds after it drops

[daring marlin]

KEEP IT

[bronze rune]

why protection warriors don't take a lot of versatility (vers+haste for example)

In theory high vers = bigger pulls = faster run

[torn gulch]

because the quantities of versatility we can get are too small

[daring marlin]

you can't stack enough vers to matter for your survivability and never have been able to outside of S4 BFA

[torn gulch]

and crit is a better bet as the majority of damage is melee than can be parried

[bronze rune]

but vers can help with bleed/magic etc

and we can hardcap it 3times) any1 tested that?

[torn gulch]

again the quantity is too small to be helpful

[bronze rune]

hm...okay

[torn gulch]

you will not hardcap vers this season most likely unless you do some demonic stacking

and even them i am doubtful

[tribal wharf]

i told him hell nah

aint no way

[onyx hearth]

How is resonant voice compared to crushing force?

[solid sun]

It's prettier

[onyx hearth]

the damage from a longer demo shout compensates the damage from crushing force?

[solid sun]

I didn't say that

I just said the voice is prettier

[onyx hearth]

I know, I'am just asking

[solid sun]

Sim the difference

[proud dock]

how troll is HR vs ItF?

[torn gulch]

you need a certain amount of haste for ITF
around 1100 to 1200

under that you run HR otherwise SB uptime will suffer

[proud dock]

oh cool thank you for the insight

[narrow prawn]

algethar is turbo stupid

was about to time a +13 with an amazing group

02 minutes remaining, last boss had 5%

the dragon bitch uses the pull

and one shots

everyone.

[onyx hearth]

The difference was like 2%

[torn gulch]

you got combo-ed by the pull into pool?

[narrow prawn]

i think two or three players had 2 stacks

and got hit by a ball on the pull

[torn gulch]

yep combobreaker

classic AA

[narrow prawn]

i had all my defensives up and yet i got instakilled

very fun algethar experience thanks blizzard

[torn gulch]

last boss is actually hard because it forces players to pay way more attention to their stacks

and where they leave their pools

[narrow prawn]

last boss is hard because there are balls everywhere

not even a soccer team has seen so many balls

[torn gulch]

well you'll have to pull the boss away from pools and hope that the dps and healer know what they are doing with area management

I start the boss near the wall deep in the room and rotate it around the edges of the room

[narrow prawn]

i know, it was still a +13 though

algethar would be better with a timer 2 or 3 minutes higher

[torn gulch]

yes they cut it too short

it used to be 34 then 32 and this version is 29

and there is no significant difference between then 29 and 32 version

[narrow prawn]

there are zero room for mistakes in this dungeon

[torn gulch]

they need to take it back at least to 30 but ideally to 32 again

plus the echoknights pulls are very dangerous now

pulling more than 2 in a pull is gg

[undone beacon]

the echoknights fuckin suck

[narrow prawn]

i'm not taking 3 knights into that small room ever again

[undone beacon]

AA is prob my least fav this season

[torn gulch]

you don't take 3 period

2 at most

[undone beacon]

They really amped that place up

^

[narrow prawn]

the thing is: we could take 3

now it's deadly

[torn gulch]

they cut the times too much

and you can see it

[narrow prawn]

if my group is good, i grab 3 casters and 2 knights to the stairs

kill theqm

and then bring the other 2 casters + 2 knights inside

[torn gulch]

I only pull 2+1 and 2+2 there

i make count from earlier

[narrow prawn]

on what though

unless you pull more wyrms before the bridge

i don't see how

[torn gulch]

I take all the small ones more or less

[tribal wharf]

wow and doom are shootem ups

change my mind

[onyx hearth]

Single target is 1% the difference between crushing force and resonant voice, I can make this deal

[tribal wharf]

same thing as wow and doom to me

"can i deal enough dmg in this limited time'

and "can i avoid all thish SHIT on on the screen"

i got a couple nukes that might save me (blood lust)
I got a couple shields that will save me (defensives and like warlock cookies)

and if you die more than once the games over

you guys were saying i should bee line for 4 set?

regardless of hero or not? cuz more drop get i get 4set?

i could do champion head and legs

[worthy brook]

anyone have any tech for how to live the first big pull on alg without dwarf/bleed cleanse? like is there anything we can do besides kite with leap to get it to drop off

[tribal wharf]

dragon can remove it

healer one

[worthy brook]

yeah i mean without a bleed cleanse

[undone beacon]

we have 24 people and 4 healers and we keep failing the dps check im going insane

[tribal wharf]

learn from THIS

[narrow prawn]

which boss

[solid sun]

What’s the normal in mythic

4 healers or 5

[undone beacon]

heroic crown

last two are the tanks so they get a pass, and the shaman above them we made swap to healer

so his damage is gonna be low by that merit

[tribal wharf]

algethar is very painful as the key level rachets up

but its fun at normal levels

[solid sun]

White dps on top

[tribal wharf]

where as w pit of saron, and to lesser extent seat is very apparent what to do

for if you have double digits iq

which is rare

[undone beacon]

This is a good fight for spriest i will say

[solid sun]

Do you get to snipe adds

Is that still a thing

[tribal wharf]

they keep changing holy

which is why i dont want to play it

and i dont like disc or shadow

or, im not good with discipline

its the total polar opposite of can i play it and care and do it well

[daring marlin]

crown is multidot boss

until p3

[undone beacon]

Yeah i get huge funnel value

[tribal wharf]

odd times i do play healer, is shaman typically and monk i guess, never tried trhe dragon

besides priest this is

[kind talon]

How are you guys finding prot so far pugging in the 10-12 range?

[fiery wasp]

hey all quick question, is it possible for a prot warrior to solo soak the mythic chimaerus soak and live?

[undone beacon]

we got it but i was dead on that pull :(

[daring marlin]

yay and boooooo

[undone beacon]

i need to look back at the recording because i swear i was sabotaged

[narrow prawn]

i'm not inviting disc priests ever again

[undone beacon]

rip disc priest

what about a cool shadow priest

[waxen frigate]

Oxymoron

[tardy badge]

so.. is anyone elses war feeling super squishy in some pulls lately. hasn't been feeling good for me the last few keys ive run.

[undone beacon]

Theres been no changes to pwarr recently so

[sharp spindle]

I'm having issues with the Adept of the Dawn mob in Skyreach, right after first boss. What have y'all found the best method for dealing with Fiery Talon?

[solid sun]

What kind of keys are you running, 739th lunch box?

[tardy badge]

6 to 10s mostly just tryin to farm out some hero gear. teh adept mobs in skyreach are a weak point. got plastered in magisters terrace a few minutes ago.

[solid sun]

Well, if you would like to run a key and log it and then show it to us we can probably help you out

But pwar is tanking the highest keys rn iirc

Or maybe one key level lower

[tardy badge]

going to try and get some logs together in the next couple of runs to see if I can find what im screwing up then. if nobody else is having an issues then its definitely a me problem.

[undone beacon]

gamers out here

[ebon geyser]

My life is a lie... you a priest

[undone beacon]

Yeah for raid prog i'm in priest jail

[ebon geyser]

sadge

[undone beacon]

We lost our holy priest

[ebon geyser]

Let me speak with your guild manager

[white stag]

Hey real quick, do we built Rebuke or Palisade?

[undone beacon]

Rebuke

Palisade is not only more expensive, but the embel on it sucks

[white stag]

thank you!

[signal magnet]

I've just started playing again after a decade plus and am having trouble wrapping my head around gear choices as prot. I've done some sims but they're just showing DPS and I'm not sure how well they translate. Should I pick champ 256 item, champ 246 item that's a set piece, or vet 243 trinket? I'm lost.

[undone beacon]

The general rule of thumb is that if it increases your damage in a sim, it increases your survivability

Exceptions of course for defensive talents and trinkets

Also if you have a champ 256 and a champ 246 tier of the same slot, you can upgrade the tier to 256 without crests

[signal magnet]

ok, been staring at this vault for a week trying to decide haha.

Everyone has been like "get your set piece!" but then also "ilevel is king"

and then there is a trinket sitting there so I've been going nuts

[undone beacon]

I would not take a vet trinket from a vault

ilvl is king but it’s also imperative this season to get 4set ASAP, as once you do you’ll be able to farm the currency that lets you turn normal pieces into set pieces

A currency which normally you can only get once every two weeks

[signal magnet]

So then go for set piece?

[undone beacon]

Seems to be the best choice, yeah

[signal magnet]

Thanks. I was leaning towards that but the ilevel was throwing me

appreciate the feedback

[undone beacon]

Absolutely

Also champion crests are easy to come by, so don’t get too hung up on upgrading with those

Hero and Myth crests are the more min-max ones

[signal magnet]

awesome. I've just kind of been running around throwing stuff together but with reset coming I needed to figure out my plan

[undone beacon]

Fair fair. It’s also worth noting that your vault doesn’t go away with reset, you just can’t access your new vault til you pick from the old vault

[signal magnet]

ohhh ok, didnt know that

[raw parcel]

I don't raid, so I'm curious... what key level would you say the raids are, in terms of difficulty? If that makes sense? Like is heroic raid as hard as a 6, an 8, maybe a 10?

[undone beacon]

There’s not really an easy comparison to do as the content is so different

Some bosses on mythic for example have more mechanics than entire dungeons

[drowsy comet]

at what key level to ppl care about meta tanks? higher than 15s right?

btw good morning!

[sharp gale]

you will know when all keys have 1 single tank spec

[drowsy comet]

Brew is such a boring ahh spec. Its only tanky and does "okayish" damage, but has no util at all

[slender bison]

I'm tanking 13s and people already go "lmao guys look a warrior"

[drowsy comet]

bruh no way

[sharp gale]

it does basically same dmg as us

yay

[drowsy comet]

lmao true looking at archon rn

what happened to brews 100k dps lmao

[sharp gale]

dont look too hard on these, it's the first week

[slender bison]

Ridiculous tank representation

[drowsy comet]

thats what showing for me

oh for 15 and up

hm but even then scrollinog thru the keys, its alot of brews and second comes up alot of warriors. Think ppl dont realize that Brew plays by itself since healers barely know how to heal stagger

but also for raiding its warrior and brew, safe to say warrior is better for overall. As Brew has 0 utility for lower keys and pugs

[sharp gale]

you see 3 warriors

but again, it's the first week, dont worry too much

[opal ledge]

not being a dwarf really hurts in algethar first pull x.x

[jagged pier]

Not really u can only clear it once in that pull and the higher u go youll get the stacks back and just have then for longer

[opal ledge]

for big pulls with lust, in a 12, clearing one time seems enough

i tried playing with champion spear, but they spear dont lock up the lashers idk why

[drowsy comet]

you guys get lust?

luxury privilege

[opal ledge]

u can buy drums xD

[drowsy comet]

wdym by drums

[sharp gale]

they are elite mobs

[opal ledge]

you make dum dum dum on the drums and u get lust effect
like a bard

[drowsy comet]

huh when did they add this lol

nobody told me that

[jagged pier]

Tbc

[drowsy comet]

[charred ivy]

How much dps are you guys pulling in keys? Avg

[jagged pier]

Depends on the key but like 65-80k

[charred ivy]

Ok im around 55 with not so much gear yet so not too bad then. Played with a dk friend tank he did 90-100 in keys. Was over the dps. In 11 key

[sand condor]

Aye gang

Are we strong

[jagged pier]

we r not monk

[sand condor]

And i dont mean are we meta, i mean, if we as a class were to enter a lifting competition against other classes, would we win

Yeah fuck monk

We get being angry, they get alcoholism

[drowsy comet]

top 3 tanks for keys and very good in raids

[sand condor]

Hmmm very good yes

[drowsy comet]

look at raider io, we are here kinda often

prot pala i only saw Yoda lol

[sand condor]

I wish we had an easier gather tool but that’s the only thing i feel warrior somewhat misses

[sharp gale]

rip roar

[sand condor]

Why cant mass taunt just snap all targets to the same spot if they are in combat

[vast epoch]

Bro is just not inviting lust classes to his keys smh

[drowsy comet]

bro wasnt tanking the past couple of days smh

gimme a couple of days smh

smh my head

[steel forge]

Is there a place to learn how to read CombatLogs? I can understand some of it, but of course learning myself leads to quicker improvement. Like I am unsure where to see if I am capping rage, taking too many backshots (unblocked hits), etc.

[vast epoch]

Smh bro

[drowsy comet]

smh

[vast epoch]

[steel forge]

Question. Should I be prioritizing shield slam or thunder clap? Looking at some of the top guys it seems theyre throwing out a lot more claps than slams

[sand condor]

Clap on mutlit target, blast always

Iirc

TB>Ss > Clap ST
TB>Clap>SS MT

Idk how Phalanx interacts to see the ss prio

[gray pecan]

Hey guys I'm having trouble with the lightblinded vanguard on heroic.

1. Im having to manually click on the boss because tab targeting is f**ked

2. I'm pulling opposite boss mid cast on judgement but i'm still getting blown up. idk if i have the timing right

any tips?

for 1) is there a way to ignore a specific target for tab targeting?

for 2 what strat did u use

[ripe seal]

My cotank and I just swap midcast on every judgment. Make sure to use spell reflect for the follow up cast that happens after judgment.

[uncut juniper]

taunting mid judgment cast is correct but maybe your co-tank doesnt get the right timing leaving you in a really bad situation :x

what i did was to give my two taunt targets green and red headmarks and only focus on the two playing taunt pingpong.

[ripe seal]

From the kul'tiran paladin you can reflect shield of the righteous, from the blood elf paladin you can reflect his templar's verdict.

[gray pecan]

yeah thats what i want to do, but maybe i need to optimize the plates mod

do you guys tab target or manually click?

[ripe seal]

I personally use tab target a lot, I find it quite useful.

[gray pecan]

hmm maybe i should just tab off 2 seconds before they even begin casting judgement

[ripe seal]

I use platynator though, and I've color coded it so that whenever my cotank has aggro, the nameplate of his aggro target is cyan coloured. This makes it way easier to separate who has aggro on what.

So in my example, since I'm the one tanking the holy paladin aswell, I'll always have 2 green bars, and I just make sure I have targeted the cyan coloured nameplate a few seconds before judgment.

[gray pecan]

ohh

that's smart. I'll try that out

[ripe seal]

Another thing that personally helped me out, was to toggle on the countdown setting for the judgment cast on the kul'tiran paladin, as she always does her judgment first a few seconds before the blood elf paladin.

[drowsy comet]

who the hell is clicking targets?

ofc you tab targets because when you are in a big pull and a caster is casting, just click tab and automatically select the caster that you can interrupt

or blame it on the DPS, both is fine

[celest notch]

See, I normally do this, but blizz did something with the targeting, and sometimes it will tab target every enemy EXCEPT the one that is casting

[drowsy comet]

that is weird, i never had a problem with it

[charred ivy]

I have the same . Used to have no problem with this xD

[ruby berry]

Yeah it's been like that since beta. I guess the logic was too good

[celest notch]

Yeah, prior to the add-on purge when I was using plater, I had 0 problem with it. Now, it feels like it just refuses to select casting targets. It's easy enough to ignore with a coordinated group and focus target kicks, but with pugs it's actually awful

[steel forge]

So I know this is a 'my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery' but the new issue im dealing with is rage capping. I feel like i cant hit buttons fast enough to let it out with ignore pain / revenge / execute when i have TB/SS up, i assume i should be popping those ASAP

[ionic fern]

Correct,you want to use TB/SS as they come up. Ignore Pain needs to be on a comfortable button because you will be using it a lot, it is also off the global cooldown. Revenge/Execute you only use if SS/TC are on CD.

[steel forge]

Ok, thank you for the clarification.

@ionic fern One other question. What aspect of CombatLogs tells me if im getting hit in the back too much?

[ionic fern]

If you want to check for that specifically you need to look at Damage taken - melee - filter for Shield Block up and then hover over "hits".

[steel forge]

Thank you so much

[ionic fern]

Here you can see 93 percent were blocked,which means I got smacked in the back for the other 7

[steel forge]

Im comparing a good run vs bad run to see what the f*ck i did wrong.

[ionic fern]

For what? Dying? Damage output?

Remember that every run is different due to team comp.

[steel forge]

Well, im learning to read the logs as best I can so I dont have to outsource to others.

And that is a good point, thank you 🙂

[ionic fern]

[steel forge]

I just feel like i mfalling short survival wise, which is concerning since Prot Warrior i keep hearing is fucking amazing for that, so its me trying to deep dive to find out where IM going wrong

DPS has gotten better due to yalls tips for sure

[ionic fern]

Check for blocked hits.
Check for SW usage.
Check for IP vs Revenge usage.
Check for demo shout/Sr usage.

[steel forge]

Should I compare to the 'top guys' on the run as a metric?

Regarding what you just mentioned

Since I admit I have no frame of reference for proper usage

[ionic fern]

In some dungeons/pulls your survivability is heavily dependant on your team. You can run the same dungeon 2 times and one time it is a breeze while another a nightmare. This is due to the actual damage output of the dps players and them interrupting important casts.

[steel forge]

That's very fair, but my default is me thinking 'what could I do better?'

[ionic fern]

No, you do not run the same routes,nor do you do the same pulls.

[steel forge]

Understood

[ionic fern]

Start with damage taken then. Look at what hurt you. Was it casts? If yes,check your interrupts

And SW/SR usage.

Check your death log to confirm what you died to

Analyze that. Was it because you pulled too much? Was it because you had no CDs?

[cursive jacinth]

yeah I fell into this trap in last expansion learnign tanking I figured I would try dungeons at lower keys to practice and got dumpstered in a 6 necrotic wake finished the painful run then went into a 10 dawnbreaker and two chested it no one was interrupting the necrotic bolts in the 6

[glad granite]

Guys i do have a question, do i have to activate my shield block when for example boss casting a spell or an important casting ? Or can i just save it until he turn on me again

[steel forge]

I hope Im not being dense here, but when you say check usage, am I looking for if it was up at time of death, uptime, etc? Im trying to not glean the wrong info or do the whole 'mmmm yes... numbers' thing

[ionic fern]

Yah,the team makes a HUUGE difference

[cursive jacinth]

you should be able to keep it up 100% of the time if you have the appropriate amount of haste

it buffs your shield slam

[ionic fern]

You can do it - SB increases SS damage,but be sure you have it up when actively tanking.

[glad granite]

What is the cap for haste ?

[cursive jacinth]

I dont recall how much you need but even now its possible

or warriors couldnt do m+ because when you fail to have it up in m+ you die

a lot of m+ warriors just have it macroed to shgield slam

[ionic fern]

Yes,first check if you had it up when dying.
If you did not have it up then look at when you last casted SW. From that you can confirm if you had it on CD or you just did not press it..e.g you died without SW up,but your last SW was cast 2 minutes ago..this means it was available and you just did not use it.

[steel forge]

Thank you so much, Mwahi

[kindred coral]

Is this actually a thing?!

[cursive jacinth]

yes its off the global cd

[kindred coral]

Like bear druids with iron fur into swipe

Whelp ive learnt something new

[cursive jacinth]

if you are in game right now thunder clap and you can see it never cycles a global on block

something like this
#showtooltip shield slam
/cast shield block
/cast shield slam

a simple one

[kindred coral]

I knew it was off the gcd i had just never considered this a thing to do

[cursive jacinth]

you can also macro uignore pain to sheild slam

to cast extra procs

not as big of a deal as it was early tww before the rage nerfs

[kindred coral]

Yeah but at times i want a revenge or execute not a IP

[cursive jacinth]

I mean when you presss ip it casts ss if its up

[narrow prawn]

i macroed Slam to IP lmao

[jagged pier]

please do not macro Sheild block to SS

u need to manage it

even if u have enough haste to run ITF

[grand mantle]

Stat priority for prot warrior in M+, Haste -crit or haste-versa?

[cursive jacinth]

is there a reason not to it rolls the time over and you cant run out

[jagged pier]

if u play ITF u very much do run out of time

having 100% effective uptime does not mean 100% uptime

[steel forge]

Arent crit and vers about the same?

[cursive jacinth]

so you die in m+ tjhen?

because running out means you die

[jagged pier]

i dont run out because im running HR

because i dont have the haste for ITF

[cursive jacinth]

also did you forget shield charge exists

[jagged pier]

wow something i know exsists exsists

amazing

that doesnt changing need to pay atteion to your buff