protection

[worn forge]

I feel worse for the healers but yeah

I'm finding myself even using stuns and fears too, pretty much every single cooldown the whole time

[raw parcel]

Seat is one of the rougher dungeons, and also a routing pain in the ass. So much that can be asspulled

[white stag]

Yea but some of those void herald pulls are kind of wild to achieve thank god for charge I can’t imagine the slower tanks not having speed boosts up at the right time.

[raw parcel]

I also have a bad habit of missing something and ending with 98%, so gotta port back and do the walk of shame

[worn forge]

happened to me twice this season

I felt pain as a tank

[toxic pewter]

yeah i always mess up the route in seat

[white umbra]

What trinkets are we farming for defence? Or all garbo this tier

[toxic pewter]

imo pretty much gloom-spattered dreadscale

[white umbra]

Nothing worthwhile in dungeons?

[toxic pewter]

I suppose that jelly one?

only like 3 tbh i think

dreadscale, jelly, rotting globule

just prefer dreadscale or rotting globule I guess over jelly if i was gonna use one cuz they on demand vs jelly is random procs

oh wait i forgot about

that one seems strong cuz it got strength on it

[rotund parcel]

anyone done a high skyreach key and if so how did you pull the trash between last ruhkan and last boss room

i seem to be struggling

[toxic pewter]

thats a very dangerous last stretch

prob best to just take it 1 pack at a time tbh

can perhaps chain

[rotund parcel]

pretty much the 3 packs in the corridore before boss room thats what i do, never hear the end of dps bitching at me about it

[toxic pewter]

ignore them

[rotund parcel]

whahhh i cant use cd's

[toxic pewter]

those mobs can end a run

[rotund parcel]

just did :D

[toxic pewter]

just take it at the appropriate pace there

thhe bladetalons alone

prob dont want more than 1 even

they dont play around

and the fire dudes

obv dont want 2 of those

just take it at your pace

and if u feel strong chain it

[rotund parcel]

solar dude mixed with bladetalon yeah

[chrome relic]

i pull based on how strong my team is in a general sense. and if we are just doing 10s the timers are so forgiving that you can just chill after doing some of the early big pulls/consistent double pulling

[white stag]

How is everyone’s dps, I feel kinda low compared to brew and paladins for tanking

[rotund parcel]

the guys that dot are fine, easy to manage

was skyreach 14 pulled g24 with g29, solar went off and it all fell to shit

camera angles boss hits hard too in there

[worn forge]

45k overall ish with 251ilvl

I rarely ever press Revenge

is that a mistake

I feel like I always dump rage into ignore pain

[fading dirge]

Gotta take my humble brag while I can! NEVER thought I would ever get a HOF title. (I fully understand this is only possible due to the way that blizzard did the bosses this tier but was awesome to see my name towards the top!)
Mythic Chimaerus

[glad magnet]

fuck yeah brother solid job

damn i thought i pumped in this 12 MC then i check and see this fucker doing 95k? got damn brah

[ebon geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7cmXqQgKL2R81PMdok

hopefully better than last 🤞

[round pendant]

[sturdy canyon]

anyone know, how i could get my thunderclap casts to hit for more in raid, im looking at others doing more damage specifically on the dragons and my thunderclap cast is on average doing 40-60k less damage per cast

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XKj31bnyHL2Mg8C7?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=2

i think its my stats possibly? but it just seems so different, im well geared too, just not 4 set

[coral spindle]

Hey, Im bit new to tanking, but there's a way to simc it? Because the raidbot says it just sims for dps

[errant wagon]

fellas, is puzzlebox trolling

as a tank

[undone beacon]

yeah kinda

[undone beacon]

sim for dps, thats it

[errant wagon]

it's just kinda like playing stone idol from last season, yeah?

i ran that in some 20's so kinda used to it.

[coral spindle]

ok, but focusing on dps won't mess with surv?

[sharp gale]

Every stats for tanks gives you survivability

[coral spindle]

ok, so just juice him up and scream for the mobs, thx!

[fluid widget]

Stone idol was a 0.5s cast time compared to 2s

[errant wagon]

very true.....

[steel forge]

At 263ilvl (285 weapon, and 285 shield) I am only doing 27-30k dps in mythics. I suspect its shield slam issues, but overall are there any good guides to look at to perhaps steer me in the optimal direction to practice good habits?

[ebon geyser]

icy veins

[steel forge]

Thank you

[ebon geyser]

and/or post logs here

[steel forge]

I admit, im still figuring out why it wont log it properly, so until then... icy veins it is.

Benchmark wise, what is an expected DPS (ballpark wise)

[ebon geyser]

depends lol theres some degenerates that are making 90k+ in the warcraft logs

[steel forge]

What in the...

[ebon geyser]

boss dependant though

[steel forge]

Wait, theyre pulling 90k single target on a boss?

I have a lot to learn. God lmao

[ebon geyser]

can even be build related, IV is the go to

[steel forge]

Are more running Thane or Colossus at 12+?

Its where im hitting my wall, I admit

[ebon geyser]

thane

[tepid sparrow]

How do you know if you're outside your depth as a tank? I felt like I was keeping aggro but we just did skyreach 11 and ended up wiping on the last boss

We finished it like 2 minutes over but it still felt like it was my fault

[ebon geyser]

folks here will need logs

[outer willow]

is the cd on a dps kick 2 min?

[ebon geyser]

doubt it , is lazyness

[outer willow]

is painful

[vast epoch]

Which dungeon? Also warlock ,hunt and boomie maybe not the most insane compitition to keep up with warriors on interrupt amount xd

[outer willow]

Nexus!

Disc was having hard time keeping us alive bc heal absorb

Felt bad for her

[vast epoch]

Allright that sounds like pain kekw

[outer willow]

Yea I had no idea I had to pay so much attention to what healer I had.

usually just zug

but this season i'm really realizing some pulls are not [spec] friendly

[vast epoch]

Yeah definettly wouldnt have been my 3 dps invite choices for nexus hahaha but still could had been more from them idd

Btw had healer in magister terrace last night that thought its a fun idea to let 3stacks of magic endboss debuff tick on me , "since debuff was usually never an issue before"

[outer willow]

jesus

[vast epoch]

That was not so fun in the 10 hahahaha

[rigid spruce]

any reason why players craft swords over say, maces?

[ebon geyser]

mog imo

[outer willow]

Mog

[vast epoch]

Based

[outer willow]

armor gets in the way of tanking

[cold pilot]

No but prot warriors have 3 interupts

[outer willow]

Does stormbolt show up on that int chart?

[cold pilot]

No

[outer willow]

disrupting shout surely

[cold pilot]

Talented wrecking throw id assume

[outer willow]

wow

til

[cold pilot]

And its ranged goated

[outer willow]

love it. ty

[cold pilot]

Hunters are 24 seconds tho and if they overlap their int by accident they are basically useless for an entire minute lol

[vast epoch]

Yeah thats why i was trying to semi defend the dps since its really not great interrupt competitions for us those 3 but definettly still slacky

[jagged pier]

nah dps are just bad, i got told in a 12 yesterday i need to chill on pulls, the only problem was ppl not intuprting

i was on double everyone else on the pull they complained about

[vast epoch]

Meanwhile i complain about not dispells on magisters endboss but actually in the same run had my shield break on the SHIELDBREAKER mobs , fun memes
(Oh they are called spellbreaker maybe oops)

No auto-hammer with me so just crafted 214 shield quick

Actually enjoying disaster runs aslong its memes and not skill issue and still intime

[warm plinth]

What do you mean by logging properly?

[steel forge]

I am just being ignorant in the setup of the CombatLogs have had issues with it recording. Ill figure it out, its definitely a user error 🙂

[warm plinth]

If that helps

[steel forge]

I have seen that, but thank you for posting it again 🙂

[ebon geyser]

im pretty sure you know already but make sure you have selected advance combat loggin in the options under networkl

[steel forge]

I have, but thank you 😄

[ebon geyser]

do you have quality of life addon? or mdt

[winter aspen]

Are you running battle stance in keys or sit def ?

Feel like with that talent def is too comfy

[autumn pawn]

Does anyone have the problem i have where whenver i move the CDM icons around in Edit Mode, it jumps back to a default position everytime i exit edit mode again? And anyone know why

[lament osprey]

Click save and make sure you’re on same profile

ALWAYS SAVE

[trail dome]

Hey team, just picking up my warrior since last season. Possibly a dumb question but with the loss of rage on avatar do you kind of just have to charge into packs without SB these days, or do you folks open with SC? 👀

[ionic fern]

It's trickier now. Generally you can charge + TC and that will net you enough rage for SB. Alternatively, try to keep some rage from the previous pack so you can SB as you charge in.

[jagged pier]

Just sw the first before the first pack after that u ither will have sb block up or enough rage for every other pack start

[trail dome]

Thanks gang <3

[winter aspen]

Doesnt demo shout give some rage too ?

[ionic fern]

Yes,but ideally your first ability would be something that generates threat.

[winter aspen]

Btw is anyone using the manual ravager over the proc ?

Most builds have the proc

[warm plinth]

You have more uptime on Ravager with the proc version

[winter aspen]

Thought so

Always hated ravager anyways lol

Also do you pick into the fray for haste still or pick the other one ?

[sharp gale]

I think I got my last wow memory crash, I might need to reset my pc

[ionic fern]

With low haste you pick HR (in m+) to cover the SB gaps. Once you get more Haste you swap over to ITF.

[frozen narwhal]

wait you pick ITF when you have more haste? I thought it was the other way around (i am badly informed so this is me pointing out my own fault)

[winter aspen]

What would you say is low haste ?

I have some moments when IB is off for 1-2 secs

Couple times in a dung

[warm plinth]

Yes, ItF when you have more haste, because it's a multiplicative increase (i.e. more haste = more haste from ItF). You need enough haste that your haste rating + ItF is enough haste to make up for the lack of Shield Block extension from Heavy Repercussions.

[chilly brook]

Well gents

I’m back to warrior

https://tenor.com/view/you-couldn’t-live-thanos-endgame-back-to-me-you-could-not-live-gif-16221515858415007908

[blazing shuttle]

I'm saving this gif.

For when my friends come babck to me to ask me to tank again.

[cobalt inlet]

new warrior player here, how do yall know if a mob is casting at u? (spellreflect)

[jagged pier]

U put target name on spell cast in default ui

[arctic finch]

guys i plan on changing to another race this season can you help me please

do the dark iron dwarf racial and the standard dwarf racial only remove bleeds or they also make you immunte to them for the duration?

[trail dome]

😢

old avatar I miss you

[marsh tiger]

Only remove. Dwarf gives 10% dr for duration. Dark iron gives bonus stats

[winter aspen]

Same man

Orc looks dumb with shield

[hollow patio]

Thank you so much for this. I didn't know about this change.
I was really annoyed with me multiple times on the first pull of the key because "my SB didn't go through. Did I not press it? Am I dumb?"
I was so used to charge -> Avatar + SB that I didn't think about it.

[autumn topaz]

I noticed my old pc started doing that as well. Must be something new with midnight

[wicked lantern]

Going left in NPX, wtf is even going on over there man it’s hell

[trail coral]

is there any haste breakpoint for prot to maintain almost 100% sb uptime?

[elfin elk]

Quick question re: when to chose ItF, is there an approximate amount of haste that you want to hit before swapping to it or is it just a case of swap when you feel like you can cover the reduced SB uptime?

[trail coral]

how much u need from gear to swap to ITF to have almost max uptime

[random stump]

Gotta learn to play tank cuz no tanks in the games, coming from fury. How hard is it to play t he spec + learn the dj as a tank for +10 to +12 ?

[waxen frigate]

Like 1118 or something for ITF

[trail coral]

ty

[waxen frigate]

Might be 1188 idk

[tribal wharf]

when it comes to race, choose the one you like, looks, or race ability wise

wont make drastic changes to your gameplay

1188 for haste yes

because i dont know why, but 1188 is a math number somehow

[coral quartz]

Guys i don’t have a log to show apologies but im struggling with the first pull in MC im playing with friends nothing crazy but i just was in a 12 and we wiped on the first pull. I have been using tactyks route as a basis and found I just got slapped m I’m thinking maybe when im grouping im getting hit n the back by a berserker.

I’m pulling the berserkers the other pack and a mammoth, thanks for any advice

[autumn topaz]

There isn’t really an approx amount of haste. Most bosses don’t hit that hard, the alternate ITF talent, I forget its name, isn’t very good in multi target. Compared to ITF, personally I find the only time I’m in danger is in large multi target pulls like AA. Not taking ITF is a huge disadvantage. Just so you can have a permanent buff in ST that doesn’t cover all the dmg you are taking multi. For example you where to for go blood surge and ITF in AA you could find yourself in a situation where you have SB and Shield wall up, and still dying faster than your healer can keep you up, because your rage starved.

In raid, I couldn’t say, I’d assume you always take ST talents just to make things less complicated. Your dps doesn’t matter what so ever in raid, and you basically don’t take any dmg outside of a tank buster.

Edit, I guess there is, still seems like focusing on that misses the forest for the trees however

[drowsy comet]

4pc lock and still bottom lmao how tf you do that

[autumn topaz]

Jfc 22k is pissing in the wind, might as well have a second healer

[autumn topaz]

Hard to say without more context, or literally watching the pull. Personally I find my pull failures start and end with taking back shots, otherwise I’m pretty much the unstoppable force. Not a lot of magic dmg this go around.

That pull has those mobs scattered pretty hard. Which could lead to you overcommitting revenge casts to make up for a positional mistake when grabbing threat. I’ve done it myself.

[coral quartz]

Yeah I your right it’s probably taking back shots. I’d check but for some reason my combat log for the game isn’t there.

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/backshots-backshot-buckshot-roulette-rdj-gif-18211261510575829861

[tribal wharf]

i would say never take back shots

[autumn topaz]

Positional skill is pretty much the entirety of why players don’t tank.

People blame routing, but these days you can pretty much W key and land plus or minus 2% at the final pull.

When Tettles did his brewmaster monk run in s3 TWW, positional/threat management was the entirety of what was failing his runs.

It’s crazy because you don’t really practice it at all unless you PvP.
As a dps or healer player I mean

[tribal wharf]

but hey

i get hit in back often

[coral quartz]

Haha yeah it appears I do too mate, thanks for the advice

[small topaz]

Hey hey, quick question and sorry if already answered but in xenas, the Shadowguard Defender that puts null sunder on me. Do I just kite them or what is the best thing to do?

I can't seem to find any advice on them in guide or videos

[coral quartz]

Aye I’ve dabbled in tanking and liked it but the anxiety put me off so I have have never committed fully until now. I got flamed for my route in there too

[tribal wharf]

there is a big sense of uh, situational awareness, that goes into playing tank well, sort of like playing call of duty or battlefield games,

the ability to know an enemy is near by without seeing or hearing them

or to predict that something is likely to happen, ie there is an open door with a room, so there is likely bad guys in there is good possiblity

im only meh at that sort of thing

[autumn topaz]

Null sunder is rough, and this is blizzards way of saying we don’t want you to pull too many packs at once here. Going left in xenas is a major tank test and due to mobs not being high target counts, it’s tempting to want to pull multiple packs, they are all landmine though. I think the idea is it’s supposed to give lower target count dps specs a chance to perform.

In terms of null sunder itself, we deal with it pretty well. You can leap away if you want, I haven’t really needed to. Just make sure ignore pain a lot

[small topaz]

Ok so I should be able to tank through it?

[autumn topaz]

Yes. If the pull is going too long it’s a dps problem

[small topaz]

Glad to hear that 😃

[tribal wharf]

and if its a dps issue, there is a possiblity they are being tanked wrong

which is why they arent deal dps

[autumn topaz]

I’ve seen some tanks, shield walling on pull for first left Xenas pull. Similar to AA, not saying you are doing this, but I always recommend saving that shield wall for when you hit high stacks

[tribal wharf]

3rd pull NPX you always get 3rd group to left

every single time i've found

[trail dome]

No worries friend. :)

[drowsy comet]

healer damage donesnt matter that much, whats wrong with you lol

ah omh

my bad i misunderstood what ur saying

[tribal wharf]

still relatively low keys

[drowsy comet]

Sorry, you a cool guy. I didnt use my brain

[tribal wharf]

this is route i'm going by

[autumn topaz]

Haha, it’s true healer dmg isn’t relevant, but neither is that warlocks XDDD

[small topaz]

Ok thanks, will import and try it for myself

[round pendant]

toxic lil gup smh

[drowsy comet]

i thought you somehow were judging my healing, then I realized you meant the Warlock xd

[drowsy comet]

Bro what should I do

This warlock was doing no damage, always out of range when the tank went to the next pull and on top he pulled extra trash...

[fringe mural]

Is that an addon?

it sure looks helpful, but also kinda lame tbh

[round pendant]

unless he's toxic or bricks your key but blames someone else

move on go agane

but you're free to do whatever you want lil gup

I was just joking

[solid sun]

lil gup has def gotten toxic since season start

[glad magnet]

you're a tank, call them a slur, kick them, join a new key in less than 3 seconds. gg

treat it like a LOL lobby

[hardy snow]

can this work in M+? 🤔

[autumn topaz]

I don’t think I’ve ever been snared

[glad magnet]

yeah im not sure where that would help

[daring marlin]

It doesn't get better either fyi @drowsy comet

wtf is that

[glad magnet]

traitor

[autumn topaz]

Ugh Pink

[daring marlin]

hey man I play pink and brown both

[autumn topaz]

It hurts

[round pendant]

uhm

[autumn topaz]

Maybe in delves?

[round pendant]

oh, paladin and warrior

right

[daring marlin]

yeah, that's what I meant

[round pendant]

Have I missed this character arc

[glad magnet]

At least there are two decent dps in that, although i 100% believe that any mage pug is bait and i wont take them, they're all like that... this was my 12MC

[trail dome]

Another question. See during Burst of Power in aoe with avatar up, now that we have phalanx, assuming you're not at 2 charges of thunder blast should you weave TC in between every shield slam to maximise phalanx?

That was a lot of qualifiers. 😂

[tribal wharf]

mythic dungeon tools MDT

shows a whole bunch of key related stuff

[daring marlin]

I'm normally beating everybody. That DK was stacked tho.

His damage on first huge pull was insane lol

[solid sun]

Yeah. It isn’t super blatant or super often, but I’ve seen our little buddy in here numerous times yapping about people from his runs

[glad magnet]

they need to stop with this anti shield behavior, ill be blessed to have an indestructable shield drop... monks dont deal with this nonsense

[tribal wharf]

i don't know for certain that it is useful, but im trying this

when you have an MDT route

[round pendant]

As long as he ain't shit talking em ingame

[pearl fog]

this is just made up? I just tested it and it gives 16 secs total (15 seconds if you factor in the 1 sec gcd of SB)

[tribal wharf]

it will have a box of, okay, you are going to pull this and that for next pull

i dont super love it

[glad magnet]

i just keep a pick of my route up on the 2nd monitor, i wish you could tie the MDT route into the new blizzard highlighting thing... that would be fucking SICK

[tribal wharf]

blizzard mdt is my stance

[autumn topaz]

No way blizzard leaves us paying shield tax, right, anakin?

[tribal wharf]

and then have it switch to 15s are standard for 12.1 .2 / .3, so 20+ is where good players push to

[pearl fog]

you should check even after you were answered, because he just made that up

[glad magnet]

:blankstare:

[tribal wharf]

i see a whole bunch of like, i dunno whats, but between 10 and 17

[glad magnet]

raider IO lie, like robit

why raider IO lie

[tribal wharf]

i took the only sensi ble option

craft my own shield with 30 shield crafting points and a master hammer

so the free repair isnt even a consumable

[glad magnet]

GG blizzard

[tribal wharf]

i say, make it so, if you critically block, you repair part of your shield

[round pendant]

or just remove durability

because it provides nothing of value to the game

let's stop pretending wow is an rpg

[glad magnet]

just allow a free shield embellishment like the DF food one, that makes shield indestructable

[tribal wharf]

no, i like the challenge

you die

you go back

[round pendant]

Challenge?

Clicking a vendor?

[tribal wharf]

does ppal have this problem?

or any other weapon class

i mean, rogue, sort of,

i know all about rogue weapons breaking mid raid

they should rebalance how durability works for niche cases

anything that attacks very fast or blocks, or parries,

[oak ivy]

rebalance how durability works by removing it pls

[tribal wharf]

where is the punishment if you dont have to pay because you died

thats like you get arrrested in gta, and you go to hospital/police, do you keep your rocket and all your cash, probably not

[oak ivy]

-15sec timer

[solid sun]

What’s been your favorite dps to invite to keys so far

[autumn topaz]

Monk

They are all gamers

[tribal wharf]

never changes with me

anything with lust, something with tricks of trade/md

[autumn topaz]

They tiger lust me on CD

[solid sun]

Yogi when are you inviting me to keys with you

[tribal wharf]

melee is good, but they tend to take alot of dmg, so i like a warlock instead for cookie or mage for being mage

healer is doesnt matter

are you na

id probably only be doing maybe 10 even those i am afraid of

[solid sun]

Yeah I’m na

I’m NA’s kindest warrior

[tribal wharf]

oh alright, well, im on NA,

it may end up in tears for party if i tank it lol

[solid sun]

I don’t think there’s anything in the dungeon pool that you can’t tank

[tribal wharf]

im a bear

trying to hibernate

sleep off winter literal here

till ram winter apocolypse ends

gpu drought and storage

[drowsy comet]

when the key bricked be found it funny, like he didnt care he was doing no damage apparently

[drowsy comet]

I was the healer :(

[drowsy comet]

im only scared for this key deserteur debuff, tho i never willingly left a key, always make sure to /abandon

After what happened I dont really wanna go back to tanking ngl

[tribal wharf]

if, everything works out for me

i have no idea

i will be in hugely better spot for wow

[drowsy comet]

tho when thinking about it again, tanking was what I could do good...

[solid sun]

What happened

[tribal wharf]

for me keys and wipes, its generally 3 strikes your out

depends how and when

like if its like 10 seconds into first boss and we just hit lust

im going to be on edge

start to feel woozy when that happen

but, alot of the times its me who causes the wipe anyways

[rugged mural]

How are you tanking last boss of MT in pugs? I feel like between dropping dispels out and catching bouncy balls, I’m out of range half the fight

[autumn topaz]

I don’t think we catch bouncies out of range

[chrome relic]

What key level are you putting all this pressure on ? I find it kind of ironic that blizzard added this relaxed/competitive listing option on keys. They helped create an environment where it isn't about just chilling. This isn't a criticism of you or anyone specific but keys are alot more fun when you can laugh at absurdity. There is a time and place to be locked in for sure, but even then give yourself some breathing room

[autumn topaz]

On beta it was quadrants, looks like they are keeping with just bisect. Should have plenty of bodies to do a bounce without you going out of range

[rugged mural]

Maybe I’m just not trusting the DPS enough

[autumn topaz]

Idk why players are running anything higher than a 10 this week. Crests are capped, and we need hero pieces. I guess if your capped and you have full dungeon bis, but even then seems like you would wanna wait till you get 1 mythic piece. People cite getting ahead of the curve, but seems like missing the forest for the trees

[solid sun]

Are you suggesting that having listing options for both relaxed and competitive somehow created a toxic environment for keys?

[chrome relic]

No it already was that way

[drowsy comet]

in a normal raid in voidspire i didnt had any comunication to what to do first or not, and when I made a mistake 10 DPS were throwing slurs at me and when I quit the group mid fight, the raidleader messaged me and told me to unalive myself because im "braindead" tank and dont know anything.

Few days have passed now and I just need to go back tanking, random tanks have no idea what to do and healing is driving me crazy, all these frames, all these dispells...

[daring marlin]

The challenge, probably.

[chrome relic]

But i inevitably find ppl who list as competitive in 10s are on their 2nd 10 of the season and over wound up

[tribal wharf]

AA tyranical will take alot of ppl my surprise on the bosses

[daring marlin]

I need rings and a neck but eh

[tribal wharf]

notably bird and kinda vex and totally on dora

[daring marlin]

I'm shocked the last boss is the most annoying now

[tribal wharf]

oh god

[daring marlin]

Vex is significantly easier

[tribal wharf]

noononon just u wait till tyranical loool

have fun with that

[daring marlin]

Vex definitely was the worst in df

[solid sun]

Guilford has been doing them on tyrannical

[tribal wharf]

vexamus is terrible if ppl dont manage the debuff

[daring marlin]

I did it on a 12 with two dps

[tribal wharf]

and its on a 10, tank should maybe be taking 2 balls each time

[daring marlin]

The arcane mage did 35k dps

bro may as well not been there

[autumn topaz]

Yeah I can take 4 with shield wall and spell reflect

[drowsy comet]

back on my tank lets see what I can do

[tribal wharf]

on tyranical, without good gear , and defensives, the vaccum placed badly is a 1 shot wipe

and the dodge balls are basically cyber demon rockets

MIGHT survive it

probably not

[daring marlin]

gl run sentinel if you're a coward

[tribal wharf]

7/10 times not

but, tyranical overall i find to be easier

cuz its just focus on dont do the dumb on the boss

[daring marlin]

yogi it's tyrannical+fort

Everything are a bunch of sponges

[tribal wharf]

ugh, so its both same time for 10s?

[drowsy comet]

just fuck yourself man, Im not even playing Paladin

[tribal wharf]

man

oh god

[daring marlin]

so mad

for no reason

[daring marlin]

yeah it's both 10+

[tribal wharf]

that sentence made me angry for a second

[daring marlin]

Then 12 the only difference is no mastery buff ball

[tribal wharf]

but i mean like, whatever

[solid sun]

Yeah blizzard is actually so funny sometimes

[daring marlin]

and more time lost when people die

[tribal wharf]

i suppose if the buff kind of evens it out

[drowsy comet]

you piss me off, what did you expect?

[solid sun]

They said, "Oh you don't like swapping between fort and tyr? Well instead of taking both away, like you probably hoped, we're giving you both"

[tribal wharf]

im getting mastery, i dunno if everyone else gets mastery, too, but i dunno how great that is for what specs

[daring marlin]

yeah everybody gets the same thing

It's a shame it goes away at 12

[tribal wharf]

well then 100% im not doing a 12 any time soon then

nope

[solid sun]

Eventually 12's become easier than 10's

[daring marlin]

I think you can do them

[tribal wharf]

when i have 20% more mastery and 10% leech from gear, sure

[daring marlin]

If we're basically 4manning them now you got this

[tribal wharf]

it dropped bracers for me too

same dungeon same bracers

worse

duplicate loot is driving me insane

[daring marlin]

I need to farm seat for the gloves

[tribal wharf]

only champ seat glove

[daring marlin]

I also gotta be like Brew and spam Nexus.

gimme the rings!

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-american-psycho-gif-23191099

[daring marlin]

The chad Arms gamer

the buffs will continue until morale improves

[solid sun]

I got 'em!

[tribal wharf]

okay, and so the way it works is it swaps between fort tyrfor under 10s

weekl

like i know about both on 10 now

and i know that you have to run a 10 to get myth vault

[dusky canopy]

Big grats

[waxen frigate]

Pretty sure it’s like an 8 for that but 10 lets you save crests

[dusky canopy]

My raid lead asked if the changes makes arms more viable

[pastel geyser]

Myth vault is 10 +

[tribal wharf]

god, i dont even want to think about both tyranical and fort being active at same time

[dusky canopy]

We’re getting closer

1 buff ata time

[tribal wharf]

when did this become the thing

[waxen frigate]

Oh they changed it my b

[pastel geyser]

Its not as bad as u think

[pastel geyser]

It was never the case tho?

[waxen frigate]

It definitely was lower than portals at some point

[pastel geyser]

Pre dragonflight maybe

Shadowlands is the expac i missed so idk there

[waxen frigate]

Well portals only got added halfway into SL

[drowsy comet]

shadowlands remix when

[tribal wharf]

i still dont understand this

we wiped to it somehow

[pastel geyser]

U kill his clones

Thats it

And interrupt

[royal marten]

Kill clones, keep the main guy interrupted

ez pz

[pastel geyser]

Honestly yes, so many cool cosmetics locked behind shit content

[drowsy comet]

i want it so bad as I never played thru any expansion other than TWW, DF and Midnight xD

[royal marten]

BFA had a ton of cool stuff that never saw the light of day, and the content in BFA was overall not bad

[pastel geyser]

Yea some stuff is easy to get but some is downright evil

[daring marlin]

BROOOOOOO

[pastel geyser]

Like the light sabers from zereth mortis

[daring marlin]

how does it sim vs fury?

[waxen frigate]

Literally df s4 smh

[daring marlin]

You probably blast adds like crazy too on a bunch of fights

[pastel geyser]

Was it then? I missed the ‘remix’ season of df

[waxen frigate]

And maybe early TWW idk but definitely in df s4 you got myth vault from doing 8s

[pastel geyser]

Tww no

It was always 10 in tww

[waxen frigate]

Df s4 is when they did the squish

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t simmed yet idk if the guys implemented the changes

[pastel geyser]

Ah then maybe

I stopped after s3

I know it was 20s for myth vault

[waxen frigate]

I could’ve sworn it was 18s

[analog magnet]

Morning guys! Just recently main switched to Prot Warrior to go back to tanking for my guild. For a quick jump into the class Icy Veins still the go to?

[waxen frigate]

It was 16s in s2 df

This guys a fraud

[ornate palm]

Yessir

[analog magnet]

Thanks a bunch!

[drowsy comet]

got all routes imported, time to get some rating going

[jagged pier]

dumb boss

[waxen frigate]

Nerf incoming

Fun detected

[jagged pier]

i mean its one boss

like in DF where we had halls so probably ok

[waxen frigate]

What was the one with the dragon at the end of it where you could reflect then they brought it back and you couldn’t

[jagged pier]

nah u reflected the beam

on the water boss

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but there was another

That they removed halfway through

[jagged pier]

but most ppl refelcted the knockabck jsut before hand because their SR weak aura told them to SR

[waxen frigate]

The one where you’re in the library or whatever then you go down the rings and fight the dragon

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

You could reflect it’s tankbuster in the first season then not in the second one

[daring marlin]

What's this

[jagged pier]

a boss in m+

[waxen frigate]

Screenshot

[daring marlin]

WHICH BOSS MAN

[waxen frigate]

@jagged pier @tribal wharf

[daring marlin]

[jagged pier]

the last one in skyreach

[daring marlin]

Oh that's funny

[glad magnet]

average tank age

[shut summit]

reflect is yuge in seat too, can do 3 of the 4 bosses

[solid sun]

You're yuge in seat

[drowsy comet]

all old af

[tribal wharf]

How good really is affix buff dose wise

I think u get 20% mastery and 10% leech?

[daring marlin]

yep

[tribal wharf]

I wonder what comps for those that get it biggest effect.

And how much dps it add

[waxen frigate]

It adds 30000%

[undone beacon]

That’s an old receipt lol. I was wrong yeah, Nim pointed it out. My testing was flawed

[undone beacon]

I mean it’s more important to do it because every orb you miss gives 20% DR to the mobs you’re fighting

[pearl fog]

sry that came across more harsh than I wanted, all good mate just stumbled upon it while looking up sth else

[undone beacon]

All good

[daring marlin]

guess pash isn't a knower

smh my head

[autumn topaz]

Ye, dps that game out the orbs do some crazy stuff in my tens tho. I have a premade that maximizes orb uptime and they crank way higher than good pugs

[undone beacon]

It’s all the shadow priesting, got me messed up

I did get what is apparently a bis trinket out of caverns even tho it kinda reads like trash

Sims well though

[undone beacon]

That’s fair. In two key levels tho that’s irrelevant because at 12 the xally affix goes away n all

[round pendant]

Did you report them? At the end of the day anybody doing shit like that is less than worthless

[autumn topaz]

Totally agree, we aren’t pushing yet as we still are missing a ton of hero pieces

[round pendant]

You can get far in wow with the chat completely disabled, I'd recommend it

also, try one of those chill m+ communities

[daring marlin]

mastery one or...?

Picking up orbs zzz

[undone beacon]

No the uhhh Soulcatcher’s Charm

It does have aura

But yeah it’s just a shadow damage proc. Ranks high on lists and sims well though

[solid sun]

Grats on the bis trinket

best in show

[daring marlin]

ohhhh

[drowsy comet]

yea due to my depression I took this abit too serious, I did report them yea. And after this key, my pulls are so much better than what I witnessed when I was healing

[last pebble]

I am having a hard time with the bleeds and sheers in sky reach. Any tips? Do I just need to go dwarf?

[undone beacon]

Breaks the pulls up a bit more, make sure the healer knows when they need to babysit you, hold defensives for big bleeds and shears

Pray

[last pebble]

Yeah I feel invincible in every key and skybreach I’m in full blown panic mode the entire time. We did a 15 and we woulda timed it but I tried to rush too much and pull without cds but the bleeds and sheers make me panic bad

[lime plaza]

What are our endgame BIS embelishments?

[undone beacon]

Skyreach has a pretty generous timer, it’s worth going a bit slower to survive because a tank death and wipe is way more of a time loss than not pulling an extra pack together

[drowsy comet]

or dont use defensives at all and blame the healer

[last pebble]

Yeah that’s what I did on the 14 and we had plenty of time

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

Why aren't you asking in the fist of justice discord or whatever paladins call their hideout

[last pebble]

I miss spell block man

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[solid sun]

Listen all natural paladin we are the other shield user

[round pendant]

Best thing is to forget and go again

learn from your own play, ignore non constructive criticism

if you wouldn't take their advice why are you taking their criticism

[undone beacon]

Hit em with the gg no re and dip

go next

[round pendant]

I like to hit em with the || ||

[solid sun]

I like providing a little trivia factoid

[round pendant]

I can't say the word I would write there in here

[undone beacon]

Hit em with you “you are an unpleasant individual” and a fat block

[solid sun]

Key is over

Probably timed because you were there

They've been moaning and groaning

"Schlitterbon is an amusement park where water jets are used to propel you upward, similar in nature to rollercoasters."

Then leave

They're left confused and bewildered and their headspace is cluttered with useless knowledge

[autumn topaz]

Bro that blitzed me

I thought I was stroking out

Have to keep that one in the back pocket

[solid sun]

It works, dude

[ornate palm]

My spirit animal Rhino. I do stuff like this on those occasions. It’s really the best course of action.

[undone beacon]

y'know, i was going to dispute the veracity of such a tactic but its efficacy was immediately proven. Well done.

[solid sun]

ty mate

ty to both of you

[round pendant]

I simply call them trash and leave

[solid sun]

yeah but that's mean

[round pendant]

They lost my respect by being cunts in the first place

[cold pilot]

I think there might be a cap to the dawnlight manaflux? I was getting them every other dungeon but i havent gotten one in the last like 20 m+s

[nimble void]

Does anyone know if there is a list of niche/important spell reflects for M+ this season?

[round pendant]

tbf I only ever talk back if they're being toxic to my friends

[undone beacon]

maxroll.gg has one thats being continuously updated

[nimble void]

Thanks!

[solid sun]

You can find the link in the pins

[ornate palm]

One time I just typed a math equation and left.

[undone beacon]

I've gotten all of one since getting 4pc on my priest, but like three on my hunter. Wish they would clarify

[cold pilot]

i just want to catalyst my bracers so i have the "full set"

[ornate palm]

One of them whispered me a minute later and said they all reported me.

[undone beacon]

lmao

[undone beacon]

literally easiest to just not engage

[round pendant]

I am not a great man

[solid sun]

That's alright.

You're great to me

[undone beacon]

i just do not fuck with this color palette, but at least you get the LFR + Norm versions when you finish heroic set

[round pendant]

I thought you disliked me Rhino, ngl

I've had a headache for 4 days

[solid sun]

We're literally friends in discord

[round pendant]

I mean from before that

[cold pilot]

well thats why i want the whole set

so i can get the red one

[round pendant]

Like when you called me an elitist

😔

I think that was you, might be slander idk

[cold pilot]

it's sad that this combo isn't very good.. what is the point of this neck, shadow priests?

[undone beacon]

The controversy, the drama

[royal marten]

The true purpose of cata charges are for getting transmog sets

[undone beacon]

shadow priests, demon hunters, dark ranger MM, uhhhh

[royal marten]

drip lasts forever

[undone beacon]

warlocks i think still do shadow. At least Aff and Demo do

Plus wearing those is still free damage

Typically cantrip effects arent super strong, theyre gravy

[cold pilot]

yeah out of 100m damage in a dungeon it does like 500k but it is free

[undone beacon]

Like the set from having the Xenas rings doesnt do very much damage

But its still damage you wouldnt be doing otherwise

[cold pilot]

if i dont get hero neck and pants today im gonna crash out

[daring marlin]

You're the best man, love

[round pendant]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shy-anime-shy

[round pendant]

what is this image

[solid sun]

You probably are sometimes. Anyone who is good at something can often "struggle" with being elitist about it

But nah, I think sometimes we disagree about stuff but I never had an issue with you

[round pendant]

I think it's a common thing that people simply aren't aware of the breadth of their knowledge

and assume something is easy/simple when it's built on tons of pre-existing knowledge/experience

that's my issue at least

"it's easy"

but I don't think I'm elitist 😔

[daring marlin]

stuff is just easy tho

😏

[round pendant]

it's true

but it can still be intimidating for newbies

[daring marlin]

M+ without all those fuckass affixes is like

babymode

[round pendant]

I usually say shit is easy to encourage people rather than to shit on them for not being able to do it

[tribal wharf]

I forgot something when listing the classes I want to see in group

Brez

My opinion group should always have 1 heroism 2 brez but whatever

[round pendant]

Like all the times I tried to encourage yogi here to push for portals

😔

[tribal wharf]

I'll get wcm portal

[solid sun]

I've been trying to get Yogi to tank keys for me

[daring marlin]

same

[tribal wharf]

Then quit

[round pendant]

bres optional until higher keys, hero basically always mandatory imo

[solid sun]

My only Caverns this season so far is a +5

Trying to get into any Caverns key rn is brutal

[tribal wharf]

Heroism is you don't time key

[daring marlin]

then you get some bozo augvoker that puts "2x title" in his note that uses lust at 5s left on sated

"I used it idk what happened"

So I had to drums

LMAOOOOO

tbh m+ is hysterical

I love it

[round pendant]

It's a good time

[serene wave]

How do I not get railed by bleeds on alghetar 1st big pull?

[solid sun]

Someone come supply me with a Caverns key

You kite

[serene wave]

I get murders if I turn my back

Like throw a stun and jump?

[solid sun]

And dps has to kill stuff in a timely manner

[undone beacon]

Yeah. Or you just split it. They made the pull much harder this season. Unless you have very good dps that can quickly nuke the pack, its not worth doing

[serene wave]

Save bl just for boss?

[solid sun]

You can also go to arcane side first

And lust stuff there

[serene wave]

I always get to the end of the pull and like die as the last 4 mobs are alive

[undone beacon]

Yeah, thats what I prefer. Just lust tree boss because tree boss sucks

[daring marlin]

tree boss is a sponge

[undone beacon]

Yep. If everything isnt dead within about a minute its gonna be a wipe usually

[undone beacon]

yeah thats why it sucks

[solid sun]

Timers are super lenient rn so you don't have to do some of these absurd pulls

Another you can simply not do rn is that first giga Seat pull

That first area sucks

[undone beacon]

Tree boss makes me sad because all these mages and DHs pad on the lashers and i can only dot 6 at a time

[daring marlin]

I just do 3 packs

[solid sun]

I think 1 of those idiots at a time is plenty rn

The ones with the chains

Heck those mobs

Heck 'em right to timeout

[daring marlin]

wake, dt and hammer go BRRRRRRRR

[daring marlin]

bring a pally

[small topaz]

i see many high players only taking phalanx rank 1 but instead take stuff like indomitable and battle scarred veteran. is that worth it on keys like 7-8 were i am now? really doubtfull on builds atm, many variants

[solid sun]

We recommend the IV guide

It has m+ builds that will serve you well

In 7-8 I can't imagine you needing BSV or indom

[undone beacon]

We reccomend 4/4 apex talents. You lose a ton of damage and survivability only doing 1/4 apex. The keys "top players" are doing are special circumstances, but honestly most people just go 1/4 because Kira said to. Once more people with 4/4 apex climb to the top, the dynamic will shift again

[solid sun]

Dude have you noticed some of these fish

Look at the icon on this thing

It's so detailed and pissed off

And it's just a fish

[flint charm]

so im having some issues with the Adept of the dawn packs in skyreach, is there a good method for handling them?

[small topaz]

Ok thx both you and Rhino for the response

[tribal wharf]

I'M NOT A HERO, I'm not a saviour, forget what you know.

[dusky canopy]

with a 15 MT ez

[drowsy comet]

now is the time to touch some grass

[daring marlin]

Feel like I shoulda took this week off lmao

grats big dog

MT prolly easiest dungeon this season right?

[oak ivy]

WS

tied with seat

[tribal wharf]

seat yes and no

i call it toilet seat

[oak ivy]

this is for keys 10 and higher

[tribal wharf]

i could do pit of saron 10 most likely fairly easily

[daring marlin]

You could do any on 10 just send 'em

you got this cow man

[solid sun]

Brew couldn't live first boss of caverns

:(

I'm cursed to be stuck with this 5

[waxen frigate]

Do it you won’t

[cerulean tusk]

Any EU shield max shield crafters on atm?

[jagged pier]

U on tarren mill?

Or related realms?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, but char is guidless so can do that work around

[jagged pier]

F i was just gunna suggest i guy who seemed to have done half my guilds crafts

Even tho hes not in the guild

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9mc-smile-cat-sad-so-lGBecpB2dIMwt6ohfI

[toxic pewter]

u guys think its safe to run puzzle box in keys

talking like 15+

[cerulean tusk]

not at all

[toxic pewter]

think im gonna do it

[cerulean tusk]

madlad

[jagged pier]

If u want

Just send it before pulls

[toxic pewter]

ya that was what i was thinking

most trinkets this season kinda suck?

ones from dungeons at least

[coarse bay]

Ya dungeon trinkets are mid

[cerulean tusk]

I dont know, I am kinda hooked on em

[toxic pewter]

does that hook do any dam

[jagged pier]

It does something

[tribal wharf]

i dont think so

i can check

[toxic pewter]

im down bad on trinkets

[tribal wharf]

i don't really play him

[toxic pewter]

am i actually considering making a darkmoon trinket O_O

[coarse bay]

[pastel sleet]

how are yall dealing with AA bleeds in high keys?

[jagged pier]

Prey

[coarse bay]

First pull?

[daring marlin]

just get dreamrift trinket man

😏

[pastel sleet]

and birds

[toxic pewter]

[coarse bay]

Stun and kite when it gets too bad

[pastel sleet]

they apply the bleeds from range

[daring marlin]

[coarse bay]

Get healed

Unless youre dwarf you cant do anything really

[daring marlin]

bring a paladin, ask for bop, profit

[coarse bay]

Bring a dragoon

[daring marlin]

make a cancelaura macro tho lol

[coarse bay]

This is a bleed and dot season

And we dont have tools for it

Most tanks dont

[sleek mulch]

is 2 set of nexus rings worth running the high mast ring instead of another crit haste ring? or is this just a sim it and damage will answer that

[coarse bay]

Sim it, it’s probably worth it

It having haste is good

And mastery isnt bad

[tribal wharf]

if i get that im never trading it

my precious

[toxic pewter]

i would wear that for sure

[coarse bay]

It’s just a flex to show off the shiny

Look at my really good stuff is it bad

[undone beacon]

100% a sim question. I know shadow priest for example really doesn’t want the crit ring

[coarse bay]

My rings on all characters are all still vet and only 1 with haste

[undone beacon]

Cam would know that if he was a true emissary of the coven

And not a wizard poser smh

[coarse bay]

I said sim it

[undone beacon]

This guy out here casting ebonbolt still thinking he’s an edgy

[coarse bay]

Whats ebonbolt

Domt be old

[undone beacon]

shadowfrost

[coarse bay]

That was like 12 years ago

[solid sun]

Why are my dads arguing

[undone beacon]

that’s the JOKE AAAAAA

[coarse bay]

He called me a dunce

A stupid

[undone beacon]

No I called you a poser very different

[coarse bay]

Im a priest

[undone beacon]

You can be a wise and smart poser

[coarse bay]

Of the light

[solid sun]

Cam heals keys

[undone beacon]

The light stinks it turns you into a council raid boss

I don’t wanna be a council fight

[solid sun]

That's pretty covenish

[coarse bay]

I do heal

Im a healer

[undone beacon]

Are you actually healing this season I thought you were a mage now

[coarse bay]

Im always a mage

And a tonka

And a healer when im told

[solid sun]

Cam uses many types of magics

[undone beacon]

Gotcha

[solid sun]

Just like a covener

[coarse bay]

Oh did i say mage

I meant witch

Im a coven

[solid sun]

I am a coven

That's power

[undone beacon]

hmmmm

[solid sun]

https://klipy.com/gifs/charmed-interview-charmed-netflix-1

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

All of that is Cam

[coarse bay]

U should have seen me pash

I was healing with my covenish totems

[solid sun]

It's true

I don't think anyone died

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

And they kept saying things like

"Make Cam sweat"

"Pull even more stuff and harder stuff so Cam has to try more"

[coarse bay]

[daring marlin]

You don't wanna be a whole ass boss? smh

Plus didn't that happen with the void and Crown too?

[odd igloo]

why does rank 1 warrior not go the full new talents below?

[undone beacon]

I’m cool and deserve to be a multi phase single target fight

[undone beacon]

Because he plays a different game than the rest of us with a specialized team designed to optimize content almost nobody else is doing

[odd igloo]

ok but in wat world does it make sense to not go the new talents xdd

[coarse bay]

None

[jagged pier]

Stuck in beta mode

[undone beacon]

He’s sacrificing a lot of damage and making the dps compensate, for what is very lackluster boosts to survivability

[coarse bay]

The best players have the leeway to use suboptimal talents, because talents arent the deciding factor

[jagged pier]

Hes sacrifcing a lot defence no VO

No 5%dr on apex

[undone beacon]

Yeah I really don’t get no VO

[jagged pier]

But take bb??

[undone beacon]

TAN and Bloodborne, but no VO

[round pendant]

This discussion happens every season

I love it

Sometimes, you really do gotta appreciate that some things don't change

stronge

[loud rune]

@undone beacon where did you see the shieldblock uptime in the logs

[undone beacon]

Buffs -> Defensives

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/byrnedavid-dancing-partyhard-talking-heads-gif-8766748912154929337

[loud rune]

okay improved on avg 10% and around 60% less damage taken per npx since yday

we getting there

[undone beacon]

Nice! It’s all about practice

[ebon geyser]

did something happen last nite that my cdm is reset?

[coarse bay]

Blizzard

If youre using an addon maybe they got borked, if its base blizzard cdm then it’s just a midnight feature

[ebon geyser]

smh

[drowsy comet]

guys i need your opinion

Was it my fault we depleted the key, or this warlock´s fault since hes way too undergeared

bro stood in every puddle possible in Echo of Doragosa boss bruh

[round pendant]

what key level

[drowsy comet]

7

[undone beacon]

Who the hell let a 192 into a 7

[coarse bay]

What are you doing in a 7 with someone that just dinged 90?

[drowsy comet]

the other warlock was his friend apparently and they heard keys are so easy..

[coarse bay]

They didnt even buy ah gear

[round pendant]

sounds like a shit group

[drowsy comet]

bro came fresh out of the campaign 😭

[round pendant]

water off your back

[undone beacon]

Bro if I joined a 2 and saw that I’d leave insta

[coarse bay]

Nah they wanted to get carried to skip the early gearing

[round pendant]

carry on

[coarse bay]

You should be forming your own groups

[round pendant]

I wouldn't

it's comedy

[coarse bay]

If not, be picky with who you run with

[drowsy comet]

The tank was great, good bear. But yea... I think I should stop being a healer idk

[undone beacon]

More like a waste of my time lol

[ebon geyser]

hell not even me join a 7 and im 253ilvl

[undone beacon]

Nothing to do with being a healer, everything to do with being in a shit carry group

[round pendant]

yeah maybe not as a healer tbh

[drowsy comet]

oh we reached the 45 minute mark and had over 60 kills

[round pendant]

wtf

[drowsy comet]

the warlock lowkey said "if our healer wouldnt die this much, we would have completed it" SUUUUURE

[undone beacon]

I think as 192 clothie in a 7, any rot damage or pulse would instantly cause them to implode

[undone beacon]

[round pendant]

idk what the season is like so

[undone beacon]

Yeah that one isn’t on you lil gup

[round pendant]

but I usually don't mind taking undergeared people cause keys are free below like 12

[drowsy comet]

one bubble hit him for 90% of his HP

[round pendant]

but if it's 4 other idiots then it's geegs

[drowsy comet]

and you know what the arena looks like in Doragosa...

[maiden quiver]

Currently the Nexus Rings for me are doing ~2.5% of my overall at ilvls 263 and 250. Considering they're well statted does that mean they'll generally be considered bis especially if you can get 1 or more at myth track?

[coarse bay]

It’s like day 3-4 though

[undone beacon]

You can get at least 230 within an hour or two of getting max level, this was actually someone trolling

[ebon geyser]

some undergeared ppl i have pug with are the most vocal and rude in my season 1

[drowsy comet]

its always dps players...ALWAYS I CANT

I FUCKING CANT

[coarse bay]

Theyll probably be good, and have haste, but it’s a sim question at all ilvls

[undone beacon]

It’s the same thing where in prepatch everyone said “dimmy is easy now” so pug groups spent hours progging and bitching. The season is easy so far… for people who aren’t dog at the game

[coarse bay]

It isnt limited to dps players, there’s just more of them in a key and youre usually one of the other 2

[ebon geyser]

i joined 2 m+ discord and im happy they are chill

[drowsy comet]

bro I even joined a mythic undermine for transmogs, and the whole group died instantly after the first bomb phase

[jagged pier]

Were u the tank?

[round pendant]

that's fair

[drowsy comet]

i heard of a discord server that does tht

[maiden quiver]

The IV guide has the bis as being the void ring and the ring from Lura in Seat, that ring has super high haste and is probably a realistic path to hitting 1188 in s1

[undone beacon]

Yep. People hear from streamers and content creators that X or Y is easy, and then when they don’t barrel it over with no effort on characters they haven’t put work into, they whine

[drowsy comet]

No I was the healer. But im seriously considering to end my healer journey bruh

[coarse bay]

Bis lists arent a thing, sim always. Bis list is just required by the site

[undone beacon]

BIS lists are not hard and fast guides. The answer is always sim

[jagged pier]

Everything is the tanks fault so not yours

[ebon geyser]

i DESPISED ppl that compare the group they are with the groups yoda, dorki and kira have

[drowsy comet]

"B-but its our Healer, or Tank.." no its not, DPS contribute to the majority of damage, so USE YOUR KICKS and deal DAMAGE AAHHHHH

[undone beacon]

[round pendant]

stop quitting after a couple bad keys/interactions lil gup

Just go again

you have healer/tank privilege

[undone beacon]

True, go next

[ebon geyser]

are they THAT DENSE that they dont know that they have been running for year in the same group and almost always with the same ppl..

[undone beacon]

And inspect the group members

[undone beacon]

Yes

[arctic citrus]

check if players have gear etc

be patient and see your party how they look like

[drowsy comet]

No this time i have to defend the tank, he was doing great pulls and knew what he can handle. Other than other tanks Ive seen...Windrunners first room you cant pull as a whole without lust but dummies, ahem I mean Pugs, dont understand that and blame the healer

[jagged pier]

U ever been in a delepted pug key, blame the tank

[arctic citrus]

tank can soak the blame

xD

and go for another dung

;D

[undone beacon]

I spell reflect blame sorry

[round pendant]

Also, worth considering it's usually not just one persons fault

[ebon geyser]

im happy that the discords im in they are ZERO elitism and rudeness to the point of you get kicked and ban no questions asked if you pull any elitist stunt like , curse , belittle yell to some other member

[drowsy comet]

Yea but its been like 4 depleted keys today already, I heal and heal and heal and heal, and DPS take sooo much damage and tanks overpull too much and think they can play keys like M0s..

Spoiler

[round pendant]

Sometimes shit just goes bad

[drowsy comet]

this doesnt work

[round pendant]

4 depletes?

Go next

[arctic citrus]

tanks are getting shredded on 10+

[drowsy comet]

The coolest and most reliable tanks were Blood DKs, lowkey they were insane

[drowsy comet]

My pulls and how I played M0s as tank were godly / professional level compared to what the FUCK I have witnessed bruh

[round pendant]

well yeah m0s are trivial

m7s are a little less trivial

[arctic citrus]

We are used to handle more since TWW

now we are a we bit nerfed

[drowsy comet]

i can catch up on that on my monk in less than 2 days ngl, did a +4 WS on my monk to see how keys really are, and lowkey they are easy, when you KNOW HOW TO PLAY

I know my limits and what I can pull, and even use defensives (shocked pikachi face)

[coarse bay]

Have you considered adding similar skill and goal people you come across or joining a guild?

Pugging is poo

Always has been

[drowsy comet]

yea but they already have fixed groups, and guildies are super casual they are still doing +4s and such

[coarse bay]

Then find a better guild

[drowsy comet]

pugging is faster for me, downsite is I get the most braindead monkeys

[coarse bay]

And u dont find fixed group people pugging a 7

Make some friends

[drowsy comet]

i did make a friend yesterday he was giving me probs for my healing, we did a couple of keys. But he doesnt seem to play a whole lot tho

[coarse bay]

Thats a good start

[ebon geyser]

join a m+ chill discord

[round pendant]

I'd suggest joining one of those no-toxicity discords lil gup

I can't remember if you're eu or na

but doesn't Ghash run one of those

or is at least a mod

[coarse bay]

Gup is eu

[drowsy comet]

EU

[winter aspen]

The dps I tanked for were always trash

Like 3 bricked 9s

[coarse bay]

Discord group is good idea, and i still recommend finding a guild. Might not find a good fit first guild but keep looking

[winter aspen]

2/3 dps below tank

[coarse bay]

Will improve your experience by a lot

[winter aspen]

Like how

Bro had 1800 io, did 20k overall

[drowsy comet]

have u seen this +7 key

[winter aspen]

Oh lord

[drowsy comet]

a whole 4.3k DPS

woahh

[winter aspen]

This is me on the less trash key

[undone beacon]

Wait were these the overalls for the dungeon?

[drowsy comet]

out dps whole 2 DPS lmao

[winter aspen]

4k is incredible tho

Literal garbage

[drowsy comet]

overalls yea

[daring marlin]

Had a mage nearly 3k doing 60k so I guess it's all relative

pugging is a crapshoot

[solid sun]

Try finding an Australian group

[ebon geyser]

or you could pug a windrunner and get a dps curse you out in why you went green instead of purple to the undead boss

[lavish onyx]

Honestly 3 k this season prob isn't a super good gauge

[solid sun]

They have multiple good tanks and coven healers and stuff

[winter aspen]

Feel like most dps get carried

[solid sun]

I don’t think judging dps based on damage in a single key is particularly helpful. I’m sure there are a good amount who aren’t particularly good but you never know how much routing and stuff alters their performance

[daring marlin]

It's not. Point was bro was doing 12+ already with dog dps anyway.

[winter aspen]

Hell nah

If Im ever under tank Id uninstall the game

Literally

That cannot happen unless

Youre trash

[tender zealot]

Do we get a 2nd catalyst charge next week?

[toxic pewter]

hmm

i dont think we do.. would be next week iirc

[daring marlin]

We should be

[toxic pewter]

oh is it weekly now

[tender zealot]

thats what I thought

its bimonthly?

[winter aspen]

This week?

Or next next

[daring marlin]

Should be this coming tuesday

[toxic pewter]

yea damn i lost a week LOL

[supple flume]

Good afternoon, everyone. Are you using 4 points in the Apex talent? I’m seeing some people in high keys using it, but others aren’t. What are you doing regarding that?

[solid sun]

Let Guilford tank a key for you and watch you lose on the first lusted pack

[ebon geyser]

4 point yes, ignore what others do

IV is the guide to go by

[winter aspen]

That is overall bro

Per dungeon

[ebon geyser]

kira for example dont take it but he do 20+

[solid sun]

Idc

[winter aspen]

Ofc you can lose a pack

[solid sun]

Some specs vary wildly just because of routing

[coarse bay]

This do be a true