protection

[somber ravine]

hows the feeling about current prot state in "high" keys? 14+

[jagged pier]

its been used in 16s so probably fine

[solid sun]

Is bizentein always arms

Or is he just all warrior specs

[ebon geyser]

... this guy dont spawn... ugh

[undone beacon]

Rhino are you starting fights in my guild disc

are you conflating again

flitting around as you do

[solid sun]

I am flirting so hard

Wait

[coarse bay]

Wait

Is there a disc for flirting

That im not in

[peak iron]

i thought that's what this server was for

[undone beacon]

Yeah its called #protection in Skyhold

[coarse bay]

Thats here

[solid sun]

Hey cam

I found something for you

Nobody else click it, it’s just for my friend Cam

https://beta.todayinwow.com/

[upbeat plover]

susge

[solid sun]

Hey daddy

[coarse bay]

Ya nobody click it

[solid sun]

What you doing here

[coarse bay]

Its for me

[undone beacon]

[upbeat plover]

Gotta check on yall every now and then

[undone beacon]

you are you angy leland

[coarse bay]

Ending soon

[upbeat plover]

[solid sun]

Season already over

[sharp gale]

#protection message

[peak iron]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[pearl ravine]

first hero piece not half bad stuff

[lofty warren]

Fiery but mostly peaceful ✌️

[coarse bay]

Grats1

@solid sun can u carry me into a heroic raid

[solid sun]

Yup

[coarse bay]

I got my warrior up to like 255

I still need to do my shaman

Alt raid tomorrow

[upbeat plover]

32 boss kills on my monk. 0 tier. Big sadge times

[solid sun]

I think your warrior beat mine in ilvl

[undone beacon]

Skill issue or something

I went from have 0pc and dog trinkets to 4pc and a bis in one raid night

[upbeat plover]

Made a dream rift in my warrior inviting no plate.
No tier

[coarse bay]

My warrior hasnt killed any bosses outside of funneling loot

[lofty warren]

You can have 3 catacylsm charges in 3 days

[plush tendon]

shouldve done splits

[coarse bay]

Literally samesies

4 pc heroic and the dragon trinket

[undone beacon]

Yeeee same

[solid sun]

How do you get 3 charges in 3 days

[coarse bay]

Weekly reset gives another free one

Is maybe what they mean

[solid sun]

How many charges am I supposed to have now

[undone beacon]

Yeah, on reset we get another charge

[solid sun]

If I didn’t use any

[coarse bay]

2 including 2k ui

Io

[undone beacon]

1 for free. 1 you can earn

On Tuesday it’s 2 free 1 earnable

[solid sun]

I only have one rn

[undone beacon]

You have to earn the 2nd rn

From 1600 rating in PvP, 2k M+ IO, or AotC voidspire

[solid sun]

Everyone is so big and strong

With their big muscles

For 2k io

[undone beacon]

2k io is like all 6s

I got mine on spriest without stepping foot into skyreach

[coarse bay]

Rhino surely we doing keys this weekend

[solid sun]

I haven’t even done Marissa caverns yet

[coarse bay]

I didnt even do AA on mage before i had 12s

[undone beacon]

Also did a few 10s on my warrior this morning, haven’t done anything else and I’m still like 245 and owie ow first room of seat hurts

[solid sun]

Did you pull it all

[undone beacon]

God no

[coarse bay]

I think the 1 seat i tanked i did it in 2 pulls

[upbeat plover]

2707 on my brew just mostly puggin

Season real ez

[coarse bay]

Ya it is

I havent even touched my brew in 2 weeks

Still like 242

[upbeat plover]

First room of seat is crazy.

[undone beacon]

I tagged along with on priest with a healer bud to pug to 2k

Easy invites

[upbeat plover]

Imagine having friends? Disgusting

I just ran my own key over and over mostly.

[undone beacon]

We’re you’re friends Leland even if you won’t accept it

[upbeat plover]

I don't remember adding your btag...

[sharp gale]

I played with 2 Russian tank, they did 2 insane triumvirate route

[undone beacon]

I’m in there if you look hard enough fr fr ong

[solid sun]

I am babby

[undone beacon]

That’s like what, 1600?

[upbeat plover]

owopat

[solid sun]

1703

[undone beacon]

See you’re literally on the cusp of 2k

[upbeat plover]

I could run some on my war for alt gearing

[undone beacon]

If you time a 10 MC that’s like 300+ rating in one key

[solid sun]

This is what I keep seeing in my keys pash

[coarse bay]

Rhino i dont have any keys

But ill do with you

[solid sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181574946321870999/1474155743987892366/bahahaha-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[undone beacon]

I’d be down to fuck around on my hunter in stinky alt keys

[upbeat plover]

My warriors key is a 2

We got this

[undone beacon]

That’s pretty intense idk

[coarse bay]

All my keys are 2

[undone beacon]

2 hard you mean

[upbeat plover]

My warrior has +2'd an 8 tho. We Bing chillin

[solid sun]

I think y’all are making fun of me

[solid sun]

I can’t prove it

[coarse bay]

Im big

[lofty warren]

What ilvl

[solid sun]

But

[upbeat plover]

My brews key is a 12. But I'm scared to go into 12s

Even tho I've +2'd two 11s so far

[coarse bay]

12s are the same

[solid sun]

Leland did I make you proud

[upbeat plover]

The night is dark and full of terrors

[upbeat plover]

That's a great name. So yes

[lofty warren]

At 12 you have fort and Tyrone affixes at the same time still?

[upbeat plover]

It takes away the balls

And adds further scaling

[solid sun]

I think even though pit of Aaron is kinda gloomy dreary

It’s kinda fun to lawnmower through

[tribal wharf]

2000 for mount?

saw someone say 2500 is decor

[lofty warren]

There's q mounts i think

2

[tribal wharf]

then i would guess flying mount is 3k

[undone beacon]

you get a mount at 2k and at 3k

at 2.5k you get the classic "all versions of the tier set have mythic flair" item

[lofty warren]

3k is going to be hit without even noticing with how easy this season's scaling is

[tribal wharf]

i' dont think i ever reached 2500

[upbeat plover]

You would if they rewarded lumber decor I bet

[undone beacon]

dont

do that

leland

[tribal wharf]

how about if it gave a chainsaw

[solid sun]

Hey I did a quest in the neighborhood and now I see lumber icons all over the map when I’m flying around

[upbeat plover]

That woulda been from goblin season if it were to happen

[solid sun]

I’ve turned into quite the sawyer

[upbeat plover]

The weapons kind of already are

[undone beacon]

i miss undermine

fuck man gimme my stupid car back

[solid sun]

Just go visit the goblins

Every neighborhood style should have their own version of the car

[undone beacon]

I want to drive up and down the freshly healed dead scar and pollute it

[solid sun]

Like human neighborhood should get drift horses

[undone beacon]

something worse than the scourge: industrialization

[sullen gust]

Quick question, this season there arent any tank only trinkets worth keeping prot loot spec for right?

[solid sun]

Nelves could have drift panthers

[upbeat plover]

Don't you almost never want tank trinkets unless it's like a cheat death?

[undone beacon]

Not really, but keep in mind they changed fury so you cant get 1-handers in fury loot spec anymore

so if you have a good wep + shield, you can run arms or fury loot spec

[solid sun]

Alnseer is on the prot loot table right? So like when you open your vault prot spec can get you a great trinket or a shield or a weapon

[sullen gust]

Oh shit I fully didnt know that, thanks for the info

[tribal wharf]

trinket is trinket, you have it or dont and can use it or not

[undone beacon]

[tribal wharf]

pit of saron not drop green ooze thing trinket

cuz i've been running that

[coarse bay]

We used to have a goblin here

[undone beacon]

das my hunter still

[tribal wharf]

and nexus

nexus is good

[pearl ravine]

back to back upgrade 😄

[undone beacon]

good job jori

[dusky canopy]

@daring marlin Arms Owns

[undone beacon]

arms bis??

[solid sun]

I saw bizentein was running arms

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-american-psycho-gif-23191099

[solid sun]

I think arms is harder than fury though

[dusky canopy]

well yeah it is the intellectual spec of warrior

[undone beacon]

me when i spam cleave

[solid sun]

There’s more to Arms than just cleave pash!

We got elbows and shit!

[dusky canopy]

ignorance is bliss

[proud dock]

wirthout weakauras, anyone have another addon to help track other tank's debuff in raid? to know when to tank swap?

[undone beacon]

DBM, BigWigs, Naowhs QOL

[proud dock]

ah ok thanks

[tame jasper]

To add: At least for BigWigs you have to mark tanks as Maintank to properly track debuffs

[daring marlin]

The Chad Arms player has entered the chat

what a lad

[lofty warren]

Type cotank into curseforge. Its the only one that I found that actually shows buffs and debuffs unlike the naowh one thay I originally tried and caused wipes bc i couldn't see cotank debuffs

[hidden sinew]

I’ve only used it for 2 runs so far. But on both runs it auto selected the other tank. Maybe a setting issue?

I didn’t mark me or the other tank anything special

[mighty valley]

a lot of other factors go into difficulty, though

[daring marlin]

Are the dungeons just easier?

[heavy sparrow]

A ton more casts do happen too. You're right

[daring marlin]

like the base before modifiers?

I didn't play TWW at all.

[mighty valley]

could be that, could be lenient timers

[heavy sparrow]

I think so too

[daring marlin]

I like that they're all around 30/34.

Long dungeons suck.

[heavy sparrow]

TWW season 1-3

[tribal wharf]

its fort

cuz 6s are steam roll

fort gets activated, everybodies dyin

[drowsy comet]

Wanna know why stuff feels easier? Because you could get relative good gear quite early on so ofc ppl blast tho

[mighty valley]

that's true every season

[tribal wharf]

nothing at all to do with the improved ui and spell tracking lol

[drowsy comet]

and because of the ilvl reduction we had yk

Pug some keys then you have your difficult keys

(some ppl really lack braincells)

[plush tendon]

we did have a full week of getting heroic gear/tier before M+

[tribal wharf]

im trying to get the game to drop a weapon or trinket or any tier slot at hero

[mighty valley]

the whole discussion is that people doing week one 10s and 12s are reporting an easier time than in previous seasons, pug or no

[drowsy comet]

id be happy for atlaest 2pc set bonus bruh

[daring marlin]

While true, in DF we had M+ heroic week the ilvl was just capped.

[mighty valley]

heroic week prob mattered a bit but i do think the dungeons are just baseline easier than usual

[tribal wharf]

ya cuz of on count of you wanna know why?!?!?

[daring marlin]

Despite some people bitching(myself included, especially about tier) it's super fast this go around to gear up

[drowsy comet]

yea as I said, you could get pretty good gear so fast. During Heroic week M0s, so full champ before keys, ofc you blast to whatever keys mfs are doing rn

[tribal wharf]

cuz we dont have grevious

and bolstering

[drowsy comet]

raider io already has 18s and 17s lol

[tribal wharf]

and uhhh what else is horrific

[undone beacon]

i think the game is healthier when keys are easier tbh. Let people who just want to get the gear have less of a nightmarish time getting it. Let the people who want to push push higher. 10s and 12s arent prestigious keys, they're literally vault farm keys

If little timmy can get their vault 10s done, cool. Doesnt mean they can use that gear to do "big boy" keys still. Whether that big boy key is a 14, 18, 22, whatever.

[mighty valley]

there was always a stretch of m0s being available before m+, some people will have done one more heroic raid than usual

also lil pug aren't you new, what experience are you comparing to

[drowsy comet]

Far more people atleast seem to try Mythic+ though, thats definetly a good thing

[drowsy comet]

ive done research and read forum posts

[tribal wharf]

alot of the barriers have been lifted for geting into keys easily

[drowsy comet]

god forbid ppl doing research before arguing

[mighty valley]

yogi we haven't had these affixes for over an entire expansion

[tribal wharf]

that thing where they show the rout for really low keys is fantastic for learners

[drowsy comet]

yea i enjoyed that alot, tho im healing. I had 2 tanks today who still messed up, we kileld the last boss and had to go all the way back to kill 5 mobs lmao

[lofty warren]

Game is healthier when its easier imo. For m+ ppl will get to the "hard levels" bc it scales forever. Should apply for raid too i personally hate wasting time in raid and wiping on same boss for 2 weeks

[drowsy comet]

doing things slowly, I dont stress myself

[plush tendon]

100% agree

people who want to hardcore it can push M+ as high as they want

[drowsy comet]

these are the ones who gonna complain that theres nothing else to do lol

[plush tendon]

the rest of us will find a key level that either A) lets us get in and out as fast as possible B) gives a good challange, but not make us miserable

[plush tendon]

there is so much to do in WoW; those people are just grifting

theres like 5 different versions, theres pvp and pve content in each

alts

[celest notch]

I don't even think M+ is 'easy' right now. It's just where it would be after Blizz did their tuning pass after the first week. People are mad that we don't have a week one City of Threads or Throne of the Tides again

[plush tendon]

or just go outside and have a healthy relationship with wow

[drowsy comet]

hurr hurr no content hurr hurr

[plush tendon]

like, omg I dont have to grind 20 hours week 1 to get a 12 done. Shit, now I gotta pay attention to my gf. No content, wow is dead

what a tragedy

[lofty warren]

Why would anyone want to do week 1 city of threads or stonevault or that one cata dungeon in tww s1. Was so aids

[celest notch]

Grim Batol, I think?

[lament osprey]

Faster you do them the more time you have to touch grass and not be fat

[lofty warren]

Yes that one

[drowsy comet]

my goal is to get all +5s done, i dont need to stress myself. Im still learning to properly heal and i like to stuff chill

Season goes how long? 6 months?

[lofty warren]

Is anyone really complaining about keys being too easy? Can send example bc i just cant believe

[plush tendon]

yea, you got plenty of time

I just need 10s cause its expected for Mythic raid

[undone beacon]

I want a season thats just city of threads. no other dungeons

[mighty valley]

i haven't really seen anyone complaining, just pointing it out

[lament osprey]

10s super easy atm, easy cap and rest.

[celest notch]

I see it in trade all the time. People have fallen off now that it's been a few days, but Tues/Wed, all of trade was complaining about it

[plush tendon]

some are complaining that wow is being dumbed down

[plush tendon]

and made too easy

but who knows, they just faceless internet voices

[mighty valley]

idk, there's a level of player that finds ksm or ksh or whatever hard for their group of friends, and they work at it for a while until they complete it midseason and that feels good for them. if they do that week 1 or 2, i can see them being kinda let down

[plush tendon]

all I know is that everyone in my guild is playing all the time now

[celest notch]

Give me a Halls season. Halls of Stone, Halls of Lightning, Hallf of Atonement, Halls of Reflection, etc.

[plush tendon]

and is super into wow

[undone beacon]

Every december they should do a Deck the Halls miniseason event

[plush tendon]

even the guys you used to have to drag to do their weekly keys

[lament osprey]

The alt game is strong this xpac and tier.

[plush tendon]

big supporter of alts

[celest notch]

That would be so much fun holy shit

[lament osprey]

First time ever playing more classes lol

[celest notch]

We're literally 4 days into Season 1. The raid isn't even fully released yet.

[drowsy comet]

cant wait to get my tierset on this druid my healing will be so much better in raid

[ebon geyser]

Do we get mythic crest from heroic voidspire or not this tier

[coarse bay]

How can a system that’s infinitely scaling be easy in a negative way

[coarse bay]

Last 2 bosses i was told, i know crown for sure

I dont pay attention

[lofty warren]

Archon tier list for m+ updated and now we so far down

[coarse bay]

What class does archon play

[peak iron]

blood dk can honestly blow me i dont buy that at all

wait til they start dying from m+ trash white swings like they do every season

[plush tendon]

theres no shot BDK is A tier

[lofty warren]

Archon lying? Let me check some of the other ones

[plush tendon]

this is a better view

[opal ledge]

can a healing like indomitavle crit?

[plush tendon]

everyone but Brew is basically identical

[peak iron]

we need to nerf brewmaster

[plush tendon]

not saying this is at all accurate

[hidden sinew]

Ah, yes, the week 1 “tier lists.” I will say… the number of BrM logs is wild to see. Beautiful, really

[plush tendon]

but a blind man could tell you brew was gonna be the best tank for M+ currently

[coarse bay]

It’s almost like brew and bdk are also being played in raid as well

And people are playing raid characters during prog

[hidden sinew]

Legit just this lol

[solid sun]

That couldn’t be it

[plush tendon]

so is prot war!

and bear!

[coarse bay]

Prot warrior is fake news

P tier

[solid sun]

Protection warrior

More like

Baby kangaroo warrior

[coarse bay]

[hidden sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[undone beacon]

the p in prot stands for protection

the r in prot stands for rotection

the o in prot stands for otection

the t in prot stands for tection

any questions

[lofty warren]

Wow meta raid list has pwar down in the dump for d 🙁

[solid sun]

I thought the r stood for rotund

[lofty warren]

Is that an 18 i see on brew where everyone else is in 15? Unbelive

[plush tendon]

theres prob one team pushing right now

everyone else is just doing weeklies XD

[solid sun]

Brew isn’t even good trust my dad works at Nintendo

It’s just an illusion

[molten gorge]

for the casual, it's lowkey whatever, 10s are insanely free

would be surprised if people struggled with the 3k rating for the new mount even as well

[lofty warren]

This one fully contradicts archon since it has bdk in lowest... idk how these lists can vary so wildly

[coarse bay]

Ive never even heard of these sites

Do you have bookmarks

Of every tier list

[peak iron]

anyone ranking vdh above pwar right now is on the chronic vdh feels worse than it has in years imo

[coarse bay]

And those lists are literally all different

Besides brew

Which is whatever

[molten gorge]

it depends on your criteria as always

[solid sun]

Well archon is pushed by wowhead because wowhead sold out to big aggregate

[lofty warren]

https://wow.gg/meta/mythic-plus/tank

This looks like a data aggregated site and now someone's feelings about whose good

[plush tendon]

this one doesnt even have blood dk on it

whats going on

[coarse bay]

But like what data are they aggregating, it’s day like 3

[lofty warren]

Tbc classic!!!!!!

[coarse bay]

Most pushers are raiding

[solid sun]

Oh we aggregating like crazy

[molten gorge]

American data; so irrelevant obv

[solid sun]

We are inflating

Deflating

Conflating

And aggflating

[coarse bay]

Those are some big words

Im gonna take that as a sign of disrespect

[solid sun]

Listen cam

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

I’m a bit of an Ultracrepidarian

[molten gorge]

hopefully they just buff all the other tanks to be in line with Monk 🤝

(they won't, they'll nerf monk obv)

[solid sun]

Come now

Blizzard is very smart

They are waiting until the raid is over and the real keys are done

And then they will accurately assess the situation

[molten gorge]

[solid sun]

And come to sensible decisions about what needs to be done

[plush tendon]

Blizz is always on top of the ball with making sure the game is balanced

not once in 20+ years have they left something OP or unplayable

though we do have two more scheduled tuning days

Today and next Friday we should expect some notes

what is in them? no flippin clue

[coarse bay]

15% buff to arcane mage

[lofty warren]

They not gonna touch anything until their free marketing event race thjng is over

[plush tendon]

there was a blue post about tuning already

like a month ago

[coarse bay]

Ya there’s weekly tuning passes

This is known

[plush tendon]

besides, all available mythic bosses already dead

[lofty warren]

Yea, sub rogue 0.25% damage buff, warlock 0.0005% nerf, guardian increased threat modifiers by 0.00002%, arms warrior damage done decrease by 50%

[solid sun]

Arms warrior is the best melee spec in the game

So that might need to happen

[coarse bay]

Rhino is the best melee in the game

[daring marlin]

facts

[solid sun]

[tribal wharf]

priest dont like pit

[daring marlin]

Nice lmfao

[void skiff]

Doesn’t Archon aggregate the data directly from logs to make all of its lists?

[undone beacon]

competitivo

[void skiff]

And based on that pic I would assume that one is only going off of rating.

[undone beacon]

it does, but also pepega is a discord cryptid dont let him bait you

[void skiff]

I’m bored at work so it’s worth

[solid sun]

All these aggregate sites psh

[undone beacon]

Fair. carry on

[solid sun]

Listen you dense blob. As long as I live as a tank, it rarely ever matters how much dam I do in raids as long as I keep threat. Tank dam is cosmetic. I also, again NEVER SAID tanks should not do damage. I can repeat it for you again if you want. TANK RAID ST DAM IS NOT RELEVANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT BRICKING M+ PERFORMANCE OVER IT. Thats what I mean with irrelevant.

[void skiff]

I appreciate you tho. ❤️

[lofty warren]

Believe so

According to archon data bdk better then pwar. They did get buffs recently

[coarse bay]

According to my butt

Dk can suck my toes

[solid sun]

I’m about to hop on my dk

Uwu

[upbeat plover]

gleyes

[void skiff]

The change in where they rank paladin is also wild

[jagged pier]

[daring marlin]

This shit is hilarious

[plush tendon]

Thats a key I want to join!

looks like a group of good players

[heavy sparrow]

🥲 laughs in tww raid logs with blue parses

[solid sun]

What’s that mean

[lofty warren]

Thoughts on this?

[undone beacon]

bad

[void skiff]

Peak. But for a different reason than Pash says it’s bad

[undone beacon]

Listen you dense blob. I came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet... I spend my days world pvping if any of you have been in war mode in NA CHANCES are i have killed u
I am a very powerful individual

[lofty warren]

Cant you just use that spell to unfear yoirsel

[undone beacon]

thats called a copypasta crossover

[undone beacon]

No

[lofty warren]

Berserker cage

[solid sun]

That’s for fear

Not horrify

V different

[sharp gale]

Berserker rage removing slow very powerful

[lofty warren]

Legit always thought fear and horrifying were the dame

[void skiff]

Can make your healer deal with it tho.

One of our dps was using it in 0s last week and kept making the healer get rid of it for him.

I thought it was hilarious

[sharp gale]

One of our healer used it last week, i bet he will fail his apply

[frosty mango]

Has there been any sort of replacement drummed up yet for the old spell reflect weakaura

[sharp gale]

You have targeted spell addon, but idk about spell reflect

[frosty mango]

because ngl im lazy and old and having to remember the list is painful for my old brain

[jagged pier]

thats never gunna be a thing again

best u can do is enable the thing that makes bars show if its cast at u

[undone beacon]

Yeah, blizz shot those dead in a ditch

[frosty mango]

I know the weakaura wont exist but it looks like the game apis are still there UNIT_SPELLCAST_START is readable, wasnt sure if someone wrote an addon

[undone beacon]

Just macro Spell Reflect into shield slam and use it on CD (/s)

[frosty mango]

ill just write me own, then I'll feel less lazy

[sharp gale]

There is an addon that tells you if you are targets by a spell

[undone beacon]

Can the api read the specific spell though?

[frosty mango]

spellids are not explicit secrets so I think so?

[sharp gale]

But the move targeted -> telling you you can SR, no longer possible

[frosty mango]

I haven't really done much dev work on the new apis so I'm not 100% sure

[undone beacon]

I'm not an addon dev by any stretch so i havent researched it, I feel like it would've been made by now if it was feasible but

If you make something that halfway works that would be neat

[frosty mango]

no one updated itemrack in tbc anniversary until I did and there were like a million people playing so im not so sure lol

[undone beacon]

yeah thats stinky tbc anniv tho

@grok vibe code me a spell reflect addon thanks

[frosty mango]

sadly ai will be bad at new addons for a bit

until training loops get new api data and blizz doesn't expose it really well in their documentation

[void skiff]

Vanguard judgment taunt.

Should it be while it’s being cast or after the cast completes before the second ability?

[jagged pier]

during cast

[void skiff]

Thats what I thought.

[jagged pier]

best u can do is that

[lofty warren]

No. Still waiting on roidberg sr addon

[lofty warren]

Which addon is that? Its more than the plater im using

[jagged pier]

thats base ui

[tribal wharf]

ya i was playing around with those

i think i have it only for ally name pates

which i always turn off as tank

cuz i just want to see monsters

mark my self , and healer,

i have to set it up more

[mild river]

Is it possible to track interrupts in a m+?

[marble cipher]

Double arcanoweave lining embelishments stack right? Higher value, or proc more often?

[jagged pier]

nope

[warm plinth]

Higher value

[frosty mango]

after poking at it for an hour it appears blizzard was very thorough in their quest to prevent this type of thing from being built

guess I gotta engage brain

[solid sun]

Is what you’re describing cheating

Are you about to become like the RWF wa writers

[frosty mango]

im not sure I'd call it cheating, lets call it reasonable accomodations (for old people)

regardless, blizz locked down every single potential way for you derive whats being cast on you, you can see it on the screen but every single value related to a cast (even the dumb icon) is secret so anything tainted can't touch it

[solid sun]

lol

When are we doing keys since you’re back now

[fathom meteor]

Yes

[safe jolt]

I'm a fan of spell reflect but it's strange to me that Spell Block was too hard to tell what was blockable but knowing what is reflectable is totally reasonable. Found out that that clone of you that sometimes chases you in nightmare prey can be spell reflected.

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[tribal wharf]

be careful what you wish for, you just might get it

i dont hate this dungeon

but i will

[ornate palm]

That’s always a joy when some derp DPS says that. Bro, I’ve seen y’all’s limits already, but if you wanna be like that I’ll pull more. Shortly followed by “Why you pull so much?”

[clever egret]

Just started playing prot in dungeons today. Do y'all ever just run out of rage? I feel like this can especially happen on tough pulls

[tribal wharf]

didnt really happen on purpose but the pul devolved rapidly

we did manage to kill all of it with some deaths, tail end really sloppy

last boss hard

[ornate palm]

I tried it on my +11 key for the first time yesterday. It was rough. 16 deaths, but we timed it with 0 seconds left 😎

Never. Didn’t. Have it.

[undone beacon]

You want to manage your rage so you hover between 30 and 70 typically. If you’re running out of rage that means you’re probably spamming ignore pain more then you should and starving yourself. Just gotta stay calm and leverage your kit

[tribal wharf]

more often than not we run into problem of rage over flows

[ornate palm]

Is there a reason why execute feels more like a tickle?

[undone beacon]

Because blizz is cruel

[ornate palm]

I can’t even bring myself to press it sometimes. Feels like a waste.

[undone beacon]

It’s only worth pressing as MT in ST

[ornate palm]

And only if SS and TB are unavailable yes?

[undone beacon]

Yep

[ornate palm]

So mostly never 😉

[undone beacon]

Yep

[ornate palm]

Not sure if lucky or I’m bad, but it feels like I’ve always got 1 of those two available. Like the SS resets happen a lot it seems.

[undone beacon]

If you play prot correctly it uncommon to be out of gas like that

[bleak breach]

I’ll be honest, even in ST I don’t think I’ve hit execute once this xpac

It’s so underwhelming.

[tribal wharf]

no good hero loot anywhere boys

[ornate palm]

I’ll take that as a good sign then. Thanks to this discord, I’ve been making a concerted effort to send my cooldowns basically immediately. You definitely notice a difference.

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah. Pwarr is all about maintaining the rage engine. Rip em and ship em

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-bait-clickbait-gif-7373851025472833661

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-pls-xqc-dance-pepega-dance-pepe-pls-pepega-gif-16147647

[vocal portal]

Anyone found a replacement for the reflect WA yet?

[undone beacon]

Doesn’t exist and most likely won’t

[bleak breach]

I just literally work of the basis that if it looks like a spell I can reflect it

[vocal portal]

almost feel like we should just send it on cd now

[bleak breach]

To a point, gotta think it’s also a magic DR even if it doesn’t reflect anything.

There’s a few bosses in M+ I’ve found you can basically kill with just spell reflect. Can’t think which one it was now but spell reflect was by far my top damage ability for the boss. Was between 5-8% per cast.

It’s just hard if you pug convincing them not to interrupt lol

[undone beacon]

Yeah some bosses have big SR value for sure. Third of seat comes to mind

[ornate palm]

It’s a new mini game blizz added for us midnight. Spot the reflect targets.

[vocal portal]

ust would have been nice if they added some new icon ont eh cast bars or something for us

[daring marlin]

@dusky canopy MT12

had some fuckery at the end with him trying to skip stuff lol

[undone beacon]

Toeworshiper

[daring marlin]

yeah lmao

[tribal wharf]

sdlklsd;lkd;lskf;lkasd;lkfda;lfda;lskfldasfka

shoulders

when i have tier shoulders

and hero shoudlers in my bag

[lofty warren]

HOW IS THIS LEGAL

[solid sun]

We got some gamers around here

[lime kestrel]

you mean the bugged personal loot? 🙂

[pastel geyser]

oh this trinket seems pretty good , wasnt the raid trinket that did basically the same thing pretty good

[tribal wharf]

trinket tiers tend to go raid > keys > delves

if you dont have something better use it

pretty generic trinket you have but effect is good

[sand condor]

hi gang, quick question...

is spellbreaker that bad?

8% to half any magic damage?>

[tribal wharf]

worthless

no point using it

if i really had to choose from that node, i would choose hunkerdown

[daring marlin]

Skyreach 12 is pretty snoozeville

[tribal wharf]

i still dont like it

ran it once as +2

havent touched it since

[daring marlin]

hold up

did they remove spellblock?

[solid sun]

Yup

[daring marlin]

this game sucks

🚨 FUN POLICE 🚨

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4we8iFk-fY

THIS GAME SUCKS

[opal ledge]

any shadowmeld tricks this season?

[mighty valley]

Averages out to 4% damage reduction against magic damage only. You decide if it’s worth the talent point

[dusky canopy]

Ret pumps! 💪

[undone beacon]

watching a friend play frost mage and man it looks easy

makes me think i picked the wrong spec

tho there are juicy shadow buffs tuesday

[sand condor]

fuck me why cant we get a good effect for such a cool name

[pastel sleet]

itf %?

[daring marlin]

1188 iirc

[pastel sleet]

ty

[odd plume]

Is it true that we waste a lot of money on shield block?

[daring marlin]

Shield blocking? in this economy??

[odd plume]

I guess its true then

[daring marlin]

portals are warbound now?

lol

[mighty valley]

…what?

[odd plume]

There was a post on reddit that said that we sepnd 25g on each dungeon when using shield blockl

and there was the math, but i was too alzy to follow it up

[cunning forge]

Weird question, does anyone know any tanks that I can talk to in terms of realistically pushing for title and what comes along with it in terms of mentality and learning? Much appreciated if anyone has any suggestions

[opaque wyvern]

Hi guys I was wondering if I should craft a myth shield or sword; i was in a rush and already spent the first two sparks

FYI what i currently have equipped is 263 champ sword and 263 champ shield

[undone beacon]

Are you planning on raiding mythic?

[undone beacon]

If you are going to raid mythic VS, 1st boss drops a shield. If you aren't planning on raiding Mythic VS, I'd probably say rip a shield for keys and such but either works

[undone beacon]

Like talk to one on one? Some title players do mentoring, others linger in discords. I dont have a good contact right now for you though

[opaque wyvern]

yeah I was planning on it

I didn't know that so thanks you 👍

[undone beacon]

If you're hitting mythic VS then wep all the way

[cunning forge]

Appreciate the response, just looking at having a chat with someone that has done it before and how they went about it. Struggling to break through from high keys to seriously pushing for it

[undone beacon]

Generally, are you trying to pug it or put a team together? Title pushes tend to be smoother if you get a good group together with some comms, esp now that cc chains are a lot stronger

[cunning forge]

Much happier if I am able to find a team, just struggling to find a team that want to push for title rather than just "high keys"

[vocal wagon]

any tips for dealing with bleeds in M+ ? I am new to prot been fury for 21 years, ilvl 258 finding it starting to be a little hectic in a +8 WS

[onyx hearth]

Do you guys get high value with indomitable or this talent is just garbage?

[warm plinth]

Garbage is probably a strong word, but it's not a necessary talent.

It's better than it was, but still not as good as it was in DF

[onyx hearth]

It got 10% of my heal, not garbage, but not very good also

I didn't have a single stance I needed Battle scared veteran neither

Is blood surge really that good? Its hard to valuate

[warm plinth]

It's a lot better in keys than raid

[hexed shore]

what is a good addon to track M+ debuffs like Fiery Talon in Skyreach in a more visible location?

its something I would have used a WA for in the past to put the debuffs in the middle of my screen

[bronze wraith]

What is a good starting place for M+? I am 261 and just getting into it again.

[toxic pewter]

Go do a +2 dungeon

[marsh tiger]

Find routes for dungeons. Id suggest tactyks pug friendly routes on yt. Then learn the tank busters And work on your rotations

And maybe watch boss guides before your keys

[sharp gale]

Im always surprised by his deeds

[rocky crest]

Any pointers for 1st pull in AA. Seems impossible once the bleed stacks hit 3+

More kiting i guess?

[celest notch]

Stun and leap away. By the time they unstun and make it back to you it falls off

Also just let your healer know

Cause it hurts either way

[rocky crest]

But you cant stun the lashers (big ones

[celest notch]

Oh, right. Then just pray your dps kills them fast

And IP spam

[undone beacon]

That pack is a hard DPS check now. If you can’t kill it in about a minute, you’re basically gonna die

If you aren’t confident, just split the room

Key is totally time-able without doing the mega pull

[celest notch]

Yeah, it's actually preferable to chain pull it instead of doing one big pull, imo. Your dps will just be mad

[rocky crest]

I had my thoughts about splitting. But ya know pugs go "omg wtf omg take all

[celest notch]

Just tell them they do no damage if they're dead

[rocky crest]

"Monk can just take all"

And you go well i aint monk

[celest notch]

Also, as a PSA, don't invite Unholy DKs to your Xenas

Dark Transformation gives their pets an interrupt that autocasts on their leap, and it WILL autocast leap onto Lothraxion

[simple moat]

is violent outburst talent good for m+?

[undone beacon]

It is one of our best talents yes

There is never a reason to drop it

[simple moat]

is this the right talent for push

[undone beacon]

No

Take 4/4 apex

[simple moat]

what to drop

[undone beacon]

Drop BSV or Tough as Nails

Maybe Bloodborne

But the 4th point of apex is what gives you the DR so not taking it is very bad

[simple moat]

what is bsv

[undone beacon]

Battle Scarred Veteran

[simple moat]

oh

[undone beacon]

Swap one of those three for the 4th apex point

[simple moat]

ye okie

what about last stand and idomitable

[jagged pier]

[full gulch]

The general consensus is that last stand and Indomitable are not worth taking

[jagged pier]

Indom doesnt really have a place u have to drop something better to take it. And LS kind of goes against how you use SW the strength in LS is the heal bjt you want to you sw before u take damage not after, there are niche scenarios in very high keys in very high rot damage pulls where the heal from ls can be good, but outside if that its worthless and falls in to the same situation as indom there is just better stuff

[mint pike]

Dropping BSV is crazy for how good it is

[jagged pier]

When we still had 5% dr on first apex u could argue u can take both but now its moved u cant

[vast epoch]

Dropping tough as nails is crazy for how good it is

[jagged pier]

Bsv is good if u need it, i havent found a need for it yet

[bleak breach]

Question friends, what is making Brew the top pick for m+? They seem good but not like that good?

[jagged pier]

They good

[mint pike]

True if you never die

[jagged pier]

Or strimmer said its good so everyone running it

[vast epoch]

Probably this is the reason like usual for most muppets

I enjoyed tanking with monks both weeks in raid tho

They were very friendly also somehow hmmm very sus

[bleak breach]

I get that, just couldn’t work out the reason why they’re so heavily picked atm? Like they don’t seem that much better than other tanks unless I’m missing something?

[jagged pier]

Its the trickal down effect

Top person runs 1

So everyone else follows

Its why u see wack talent builds sometimes

Ppl mostly just copy

Like not even joking

[vast epoch]

Or tourists on so many "meta" speccs every season

[coarse bay]

Everybody copies the top logs and aggregate sites

[vast epoch]

Problem is that most have no clue how to copy well

[jagged pier]

Like ppl dont remeber this because it was a long time ago, in SL every warrior was in high keys were running the same talent build that was just worse, andy then pished his warrior to the top using Nomes build, the next day all the top warriors were running his talents

Like literally is takes someone to put bdk or druid up there and everyone will swap

[vast epoch]

This restored my faith in humanity for today reading your opinions jakey thank you

Because that is so fckn real

[jagged pier]

Its not opinion its mostly the truth

[vast epoch]

It is

And i am glad someone else recognizes this

[jagged pier]

Happens every season, but ppl seem to forget it every time

[vast epoch]

I am maybe a filthy casual but i was happy to read all this ty

[lean frigate]

hey whats a good profile for platynator? Im using quazzis but figured i should swap to something more updated. Im also having issue with platynator not stacking name plates. should i swap to plater- if so what profile?

[maiden quiver]

Something that no one mentioned is for M+ you should definitely swap the +30 max rage for the 15 sec CDR on Shockwave. The only reason the +30 max rage is ever good is for raid because you can pool more rage before you actively tank

[simple moat]

thanks mate

how much haste should we go for minimum

[maiden quiver]

You can't get too much haste in season 1

You want 1188 to swap to ITF from HR

[simple moat]

i have like 738 only

crit 606

versa 564

[maiden quiver]

Yeah it's unlikely that most will reach 1188 until late season 1, but more realistically season 2

So for now just prio ilvl over all, then stack as much haste as you can

[simple moat]

which tgrinket would u prefer for m+ heart of wind or heart ancient hunger

[maiden quiver]

I'd sim it but assuming the same ilvl I think the crit one slightly outperforms the haste one

Iirc

[compact isle]

Hey why is there difference in damage, eventhough dps is same and speed is same? Does it matter which one to craft?

[fringe mural]

one has more max dmg but less min dmg

The axe can hit for less but also for more

Leading to the same mean dps

[mild river]

Anyone getting destroyed by the first mobs in Seat? I timed a 12 and man, so much damage from the enraged mobs.

And I think it's pure physical damage but still hurts

[tepid ice]

Anyone knows how to deal with the mobs in Skyreach that shred your armor? I find the pulls leading to the final boss and the mobs after 1st boss dreadful

[worthy slate]

any important abilities that can be intervened this season?

[maiden quiver]

Yeah I noticed the same on an 11 but wasn't able to pinpoint the cause. The rest of the trash wasn't nearly as problematic so I'm assuming I was doing something wrong

[fringe mural]

block scales with incoming dmg, but ignore pain only does up to a certain amount, so once incoming dmg is too high, you are left with "only" sb making it seem as if dmg is increasing rapidly

try to chain stun if possible

i miss being able to disarm enemies in pve

it still works in open world in war mode, but not in dungeons sadly

[mild river]

I have zero problems. You do a mega pull at the beginning with lust. At the end of the dungeon, I just pull small. But I just did a 11 until now.

[inland sail]

Do we really need cheat death in keys or should I swap it for tough as nails?

[maiden quiver]

What enchant are you all using on your MH? Acuity or Berserker?

[ionic fern]

Acuity.

[wicked lantern]

Are you talking about the Adepts? They put a stacking fire dot on you and it stacks QUICK. I’ve had some hit/miss success with shock waving them and stepping away to let the dot reset.

[wicked lantern]

lol someone asks for help and your response is “I have zero problems” funny stuff

[vast epoch]

Guess it depends on the player and the keylevel but for now in a 10 definettly still not needing any cheat death

[marble cipher]

No, he means the mobs that do 'shear' which lowers your armor by 20%. That hurts too, but that's just a 'use your defensives wisely' angle.
The adepts fire dot is very painful too, but stuns or small kiting resets it quickly luckily

[marble cipher]

I haven't thought about BSV for now. Don't feel I need it for the 10's I'm doing.
And pushing will be on my brew most likely, so my warrior is just going to use the main DPS talents instead of going for safety

[sullen latch]

Cc to let the stacks fall off is my tip

[maiden quiver]

I feel like if you're properly using your abilities and not trying to pull too big, you shouldn't really be considering the swap to BSV until +12 and above

[tame jasper]

What Diamon do we put in our gear? It's not listed on Icy-Veins (cc @ionic fern )

[steady fiber]

Hi all, does any one have decent prot talent tree for M+ ? with examples what are must have and could be swaped to what if possible

[fathom meteor]

Boys lads girls lads, need tips for AA. In a pre-made, got a dev DH. They don’t combust till a bit into the pull. Should I split the first room in half. Been trying to do the room but it’s living forever. Stuck on +13 😤

[harsh trellis]

Split the first room

it doesnt take much longer

[steady fiber]

because atm i have these talents but no idea they are good for pushing or shit

[harsh trellis]

Do you have a route youre trying to follow? Link it here.

[fathom meteor]

Not really I just watched a vid, do you have suggestions? I watched a 15 key from the other day. Defs not the way to do it, didn’t have the same comp, or coms ect. Or gear

[cold pilot]

This gloves/neck shadow damage combo is cheeks lol

Out of the 100m damage i did in a key, it contributed like 500k

[harsh trellis]

https://keystone.guru/route/algethar-academy/yreJcCQ/patii-aa/1

You can split pull 1 up in half. Its only week 1, eventually youll outgear it and can pull the entire thing and not die but why chance it when it only takes a few seconds longer

[fathom meteor]

Yeah for sure

I’m blaming my dps 😤🥹

[cold pilot]

When does Haste start to fall off?

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-paul-dano-riddler-somarra-gif-835799788689308789

[cold pilot]

I don't get the meme 🙁

[jagged pier]

It doesnt

[waxen frigate]

^

[cold pilot]

Oh dope, I always assumed it had like some DR

[ionic fern]

Oh damn,thanks for pointing it out. I thought I added it. Will do it today.

[maiden quiver]

The diminishing returns start at 30% gained from rating, but even with the diminishing returns we still continue to stack it

So it never "falls off" for us

[waxen frigate]

It does but it really just doesn’t matter

(Most DRs don’t matter that much for most specs tbh until you’re in like the heavy range of DR)

[tame jasper]

Thank you 🙂

[maiden quiver]

Yeah it only tends to matter later in xpacs when you have a lot more secondaries floating around as well, rarely does anyone encounter DR issues in season 1

[urban lotus]

Question: Where in this discord would I post findings for optimizations to the warrior APL? (if any discovered?). Is this the current area?

[solid sun]

Well this is Skyhold

We aren’t shaman

[torn gulch]

Is this related to protection APL or warrior at large?

[urban lotus]

all specs

[torn gulch]

Probably general works in this case

[urban lotus]

kk

[cold pilot]

How many weeks in do they usually uncap the crests?

[undone beacon]

Last expansion they did it around the halfway mark of the season with turbo boost, though without a turbo boost it’s hard to say

But we’ll probably see that in either the .5 or .7 patch

I.e far enough away that it won’t matter by that point

[cold pilot]

well i'm dumping my hero crests into my tier pieces, rings and trinkets because i'm already full hero. I've probably wasted a few crests but it really doesnt bother me all that much

[drowsy comet]

just had a pwarr in a +9 WS...this tank pulled waay too much than he could handle and we literally wiped 20 times, he played like its a +0 lmao

[waxen frigate]

Good comms

[drowsy comet]

this guy didnt know shit

our DH shouldnt have invited this 249 pwar into the +9 lmao

[waxen frigate]

249 is more than enough for a 9

[drowsy comet]

yes, when you know HOW to play

[waxen frigate]

Well that’s something you can’t know so yeah idk what to tell ya

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

Keys are so much more of a vibe as a dps man I forgot that

[waxen frigate]

Guild keys are a vibe

[undone beacon]

Literally standing in the back kicking things and spewing ghosts on people

[coarse bay]

Especially right now

[undone beacon]

Guild keys are only a vibe if everyone in there is vibin. Tried a 13 Windrunner last night that got bungled and our healer was very hard on himself :(

[waxen frigate]

True

But I’ve just been running 10s to farm shit

[coarse bay]

Healing rn is borked

[undone beacon]

Meanwhile I’m jamming to music and hitting buttons and wishing priest had literally any worthwhile CC in their kit

[waxen frigate]

Since I’m still like 245

[coarse bay]

Tell them i think they did good

And its blizzard not doing the philosophy change they promised

[undone beacon]

He did do good! Honestly a few pulls just got bungled I think because the tank was ironing out the routing

And things that were fine on a 10 were not on a 13

[waxen frigate]

I love holding W and hopin for the best

[undone beacon]

True

[solid sun]

Sometimes I would hit shockwave

And then wonder if I killed pash in the process

[undone beacon]

Nah I was just getting myself killed being bad

[solid sun]

“Oh, all of them are synced now huh”

Javelineer wrecking throw is so sick on those gargoyles

[undone beacon]

What sucks is there’s so many undead this season and the one aoe CC priest has literally doesn’t work on those

[coarse bay]

Just scream louder

[solid sun]

But yeah dps is def a vibe

My healer friend squirming in discord because they have baby gear

And don’t know the dungeons super well

And I’m just vibing

Not a care in the world

Unless I do no damage. That feels bad

[coarse bay]

You do good damage

So its vibin time

[ornate palm]

We talked about this last night after a guild run of 12 sky. I was fine for most of the trash and we 1 shot bosses. But those mobs that do the fiery slash were absolutely deleting me.

[daring marlin]

divine storm go brrrrrr

30s Wake and DT is the best dopamine hit in m+

[ornate palm]

Looking at my deaths it was basically fiery slash 240k damage, followed by another fiery slash for 200k damage, followed by fiery slash 180k dead.

[signal frigate]

do i revenge without a proc?

[jagged pier]

yes

[signal frigate]

so as long as iam safe i and want damage i spent my rage on revenge?

[undone beacon]

If you have shield block up, you aren’t close to rage cap, and both SS and TB are on CD, yeah

[signal frigate]

Wait why is being close to rage cap important there? :

[jagged pier]

u just got to step or stun

[signal frigate]

Is it because IP costs more so i can evade getting capped more easily?

[undone beacon]

Correct

[ornate palm]

Copy. I really need to just go and test it out. Mechanically how does it work?

[undone beacon]

Well, and it’s off the GCD

[signal frigate]

ahh ok thanks a lot 🙂

[undone beacon]

So you can dump rage quickly to not cap, whereas revenge uses a GCD

[signal frigate]

I couldnt get that out of the wowhead guide for me, maybe its in there and i didnt see tho

[undone beacon]

The icy veins guide should be a bit more clear, wowhead guide isn’t being as actively maintained

[solid sun]

We recommend the IV guide

[signal frigate]

oh then ill look at that after my dungeon 🙂

[undone beacon]

Our resident wowhead writer stepped down, and his replacement is writing like 3+ guides

Not that pumps is bad by any means, but he’s also not a pwar main

[signal frigate]

understandable then that it feels a bit "short"

[undone beacon]

Yep. Check IV and if you have more questions feel free to ask here!

[signal frigate]

thanks that sounds great, ill see if i got any left later 🙂

[ornate palm]

This is the way. The elitism that most of the class discords show also appears here when you ask questions sometimes. Don’t let it fool you though, they’re actually really helpful here.

[undone beacon]

pwarr disc usually pretty chill

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

Some regulars are just a bit more blunt than others

[tiny mason]

question, in wowhead guide, for crafting the shield.. why do we use Arcanoweave Lining silver quality not gold? is it because cheaper? or because we dont need higher quality?

[coarse bay]

Im super mean

[coarse bay]

If it specifies the quality, and says silver, then its wrong

Use the higher quality for stronger effect

[coarse bay]

We recommend icyveins guide

[tiny mason]

thanks

[ornate palm]

Let’s go with blunt honesty to fault?

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

I think people mostly just butt heads with Nim because Nim is very blunt but he knows his shit

He’s on vacay tho

[ornate palm]

I’m still fresh in these parts, but I think I’ve got a decent read on people. Nim for sure knows his stuff, you just gotta have shield block up with him and take the advice.

[tiny mason]

is it recommended to craft both shield and weapon? or just go weapon and back? ( i dont think i will kill mythic bosses soon)

[coarse bay]

With nim its mostly people argue against the advice or will say that theyre doing something wrong but it works fine

[coarse bay]

Theres a pin for crafts, if you dont expect mythic boss id put it high prio, i personally did before wep

Wep/shield would both be very good crafts

[tiny mason]

good

if i craft it on hero crest, then recraft into myth.. i will get back the hero crest?

[coarse bay]

No, crafting on hero crests isnt recommended

No refunds

[tiny mason]

ooh ok

[ornate palm]

Fortunately there is a number of people here who know what they’re talking about. Even if some of them are “mean”.

[coarse bay]

One time i called @solid sun something mean

[solid sun]

Mess with the rhino

Get the horn

Meow

[coarse bay]

[ionic fern]

Weapon craft first is for a big instant powerspike.
Shield craft is an option if you want/need the defensive value.
The end goal is to have a mythic weapon/shield and Arcanoweave crafts on Back/Wrists.

[ornate palm]

Same. I was bad and went against advice here. Shield first is always my deal. I’ll see myself out now….

[coarse bay]

Mwahi is the guy to listen to there

[undone beacon]

Mwahi my beloved

[solid sun]

I can’t wait to do keys with mwahi

[ornate palm]

Technically I waited to have enough crests to craft both the shield and the weapon, but it was the shield that got sent first.

[solid sun]

When all the eu people swap to na for the great skyhold regional crossover spectacular

[vast epoch]

Mwahi rescued my selfesteem about weaponcraft and also made me stop smoking cigarettes. He is a hero

[ionic fern]

EU is the supreme timezone. 🙁

[undone beacon]

Any timezone that isn’t EST is a fake time zone sorry

[coarse bay]

But we have our very own measurement systems

[ionic fern]

My mage on NA is still level 10.

[undone beacon]

Skyhold power level party when

[solid sun]

Have we ever had a friendly Skyhold na vs eu competition

Like a squad from each region get matching keys and see who times it faster

[ionic fern]

I can agree to that since I'm from EST(onia).

[undone beacon]

[ornate palm]

IV has a note about crafting embellishments as in testing phase. Is it worthwhile to put arcanoweave onto crafted shield for now? Especially if you don’t foresee grabbing a myth shield for awhile?

[ionic fern]

If you don't raid mythic and don't do keys which net a mythic vault,then for sure you can put Arcanoweave on a shield. Just replace the shield once you get a mythic one.

[solid sun]

You’re usually fated to receive a myth track shield once you craft a shield

[ornate palm]

Got it. I do keys for mythic vault but not mythic raid, yet.

[ornate palm]

100%.

[solid sun]

We will receive a number of people asking if they should pick myth track shield from their vault even though they crafted a myth track shield

[robust egret]

2 questions for colossus, and desynced cds.

Is demo only used during CS, period?

How long can i hold one for the other (demo and CS)?

[ornate palm]

That’s why I’m going full out crafting it with all the bells and whistles. So that the first vault will really sting and have 3 shields in the mythic slots.

[signal frigate]

How big is the difference in dr on shields? is it a big defensive upgrade in just a few ilvls?

ive never played a tank with a shield till now^^

[undone beacon]

A shield is your single biggest defensive piece of gear. Even 3ilvls is significant

[ionic fern]

What's CS?

[undone beacon]

Which is why at the end of the day you want a myth shield over a crafted shield

[robust egret]

colossus smash

[warm plinth]

This is prot

[robust egret]

lmao

[ornate palm]

Go ahead and put me down as being one of these people. I’ve read the guides. I know the answer. But when I have to choose between a mythic tier piece or a mythic shield, brain will see crafted shield and say 3 lvls isn’t that big of a deal.

[robust egret]

thats awk

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-scared-homer-simpson-jUwpNzg9IcyrK

[undone beacon]

Oof

Prot with colossus smash would be neat I guess

[solid sun]

My brain was trying to contort it into a prot question

Like demo was demo shout and cs was demolish

[cerulean crystal]

Someone with game knowledge, is there a trinket and or talent that can spawn a raptor/butterfly that just... randomly pulls mobs in M+?

[coarse bay]

Literally what i was thinking too

[undone beacon]

If you have any logs or anything we could pinpoint it. My first thought would be that Lost Idol of Ha’key or whatever it’s called

That summons loa helpers or some shit

[cerulean crystal]

I reckon that'd be it

[coarse bay]

Ive never seen it in action

[solid sun]

Raptor/butterfly is a crazy slash

[drowsy comet]

man ppl are not doing any damage in +8s.. either massively undergeared or just straight ass

[undone beacon]

One of these maybe

[cerulean crystal]

I know but it triple pulled from 100m away in seat of triumvate "Who the fucks raptor is that?", wipe.... Same thing happens "BUTTERFLY THIS TIME"

[undone beacon]

lmao

[solid sun]

lol

[ornate palm]

But, but, it’s only 3ilvl difference. Surely that can’t be THAT impactful. Make it make sense

[solid sun]

I was picturing a raptor butterfly hybrid

[undone beacon]

I’d reckon one of those yeah, sometimes trinkets are dumb

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

Raptor wearing a butterfly suit

[cerulean crystal]

I couldn't believe what I was seeing

stupid butterfly just waltsing over with two sets of mobs

[solid sun]

Well

[ornate palm]

[solid sun]

You can catalyze any myth track piece into a tier piece for that slot

[warm plinth]

Sounds like the very very very very common trinket bug where the proc doesn't have a range so if you inadvertently target something far away and it procs, it'll just yeet itself over there

Not a bug I guess but more an oversight

[solid sun]

Idk

Are butterflies bugs

[cerulean crystal]

It did spawn a bug

yeah haha

[solid sun]

I feel like they are

[coarse bay]

[warm plinth]

If by bug you mean insect, yes

[undone beacon]

That’s your trinket

It’s stabbing one person in each state

[cerulean crystal]

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

What the fuck

How did you even find that

[ionic fern]

I have an excel on this that I did like...5 years ago somewhere,but the formulas should be the same. Can just upgrade that with current shield values and k-values and then get the numbers if you're really-really interested. You do have to remind it to me probably tho.

[solid sun]

What an insane pull

[ornate palm]

I know. I blame my brain. Luckily y’all can talk me down from that ledge when the time comes. Or just watch me take flight.

[tribal wharf]

bigger shield generally speaking better

[undone beacon]

I am full of peculiar images but I don’t post them here often as to not shitpost spam

[signal frigate]

i would be for sure

[tribal wharf]

hide behind rock

has been prevailing survival in real life strategy

for countless untold amount of years

[signal frigate]

Its probably overkill but iam always fond of to know the exact values 😄

[ionic fern]

I should hopefully be behind the PC in like..2-3h.

Can finally do my first mythic+ keys..still ilvl 223.

[undone beacon]

wow slacker out here

[coarse bay]

Busy busy

[undone beacon]

Rhino could carry you if you were NA

alas

[ionic fern]

Just had a baby beginning of this week,ruined my m+ plans.

[cerulean crystal]

It couldn't be Kroluk's warbanner could it? it says "axe throwers" so I dont think it'd be a raptor/butterfly but im not sure what the axethrowers even look like haha

[tribal wharf]

6's for hero farming, get to dodge fort and steam roll dungeons

[undone beacon]

Oh man, congratulations!

[coarse bay]

Massive grats.

[ornate palm]

Grats!

[tribal wharf]

oh thats cool

[ionic fern]

Thank you.

[undone beacon]

They look like orcs/trolls so, wouldn’t be them I’d reckon

[signal frigate]

congrats!

[ornate palm]

That’s honestly the single greatest thing to derail your life.

[ionic fern]

Yeah, it's been great - just need to get into the proper rhythm to figure out when I can do my own stuff. 😂

[cerulean crystal]

Probably when they leave for college

[ionic fern]

Probably. Guess the role THEORYcrafter is going to live up to its name.

[undone beacon]

Graduate to APB’s level and be a Feelycrafter

Still so funny he got that role lmao

[ornate palm]

You’ll figure it out. Is this your first one?

[hasty hill]

Maan do we really not use Champion's Spear, it sounds so cool

[ionic fern]

Stance Mastery / Battlefield Commander can theoretically be dropped, for it if you like the esthetics,but that's about it. It's not worth it.

[jagged pier]

[hasty hill]

Dang, makes sense, class already got too many buttons so was only gonna take it if it was good

Another question, do you guys track ignore pain? like the absorb itself or just the duration of it

[undone beacon]

No

You can if you really want but it tends to be redundant information. If you’re playing protection correctly it is a self-maintaining system

[ionic fern]

I track it out of habit, but don't really pay attention to it. If you play properly you will have it up most of the time anyways as MT. The only time you actively want to track it is if there is a big hit coming,just to ensure you have a full IP up before it hits.

[hasty hill]

That makes sense

[jagged pier]

u cant track the amount left anymor

[hasty hill]

Oh as part of the API pruning thing blizz did?

[jagged pier]

ye

[hasty hill]

Well I guess I won't worry about it then

[undone beacon]

Focus on maintaining shield block and use IP as a rage dump primarily and you’ll be alright

You can throw extra for a big hits

But yeah not worth tracking

[hasty hill]

I have yet another question, is there a secondary resource on warrior?

I'm using Ayije CDM addon, and it adds a bar when I toggle on "show secondary resource"

But I've yet to see it do anything

Oh wait the secondary must be ignore pain, but since it doesn't track anymore it's just a useless empty bar

[undone beacon]

Yeah we have rage and that’s about it

IP and SB and the likes are trackable buffs but not resources

Secondary resources are like, combo points or tip of the spear

Soul shards if those still exist idk warlock

[hasty hill]

Yeah or like on monk

[undone beacon]

Exactly

[tribal wharf]

i feel like

[ionic fern]

Nah,we got nothing like a secondary resource.

[tribal wharf]

a good portion of this topic

is that the base ui changed

[hasty hill]

one less bar to look at, that's nice

[tribal wharf]

to allow use to track spells and boss ability, 1 button cast spells

[undone beacon]

Pwarr really isn’t too complicated. Keep shield block up, face enemies, hit them with your abilities, don’t rage cap or starve

[tribal wharf]

which in turn, ups the dmg across the board

[undone beacon]

We have a ton of stops, good mobility, a ranged kick, and are built like trucks

[tribal wharf]

cuz everyone knows when ability is coming, and what dps buff they have or cd they have

[hasty hill]

I thought Mythic+ being easier was a good thing because it allows people to do way higher keys so that the spread is higher, so you can actually find the perfect difficulty. Less huge jumps in difficulty

[tribal wharf]

so you deal more dmg to the boss, it dies faster

[hasty hill]

By ranged kick you mean the silence right?

[undone beacon]

I’m on team “this level of difficulty is good”

[undone beacon]

Yessir javelineer

Which yea isn’t technically a kick but

Shhhh

[hasty hill]

Well, makes enemies come closer to me instead of casting 40 yards away