Is the mythic crafting still bugged?
#protection
regal yacht
sharp gale
wat u mean
there is a bug if you ask a craft without putting rank max required, it eats your crests or smth
brisk dove
well did a dungeon and no one died. or got close to.
but normal means diddly squat in the scheme of things.
toxic pewter
there is a bug if you ask a craft without putting rank max required, it eats you...
Oh wow I made a shield today and said rank 5 and it worked.. that sucks though for people that happening to 😔
lofty warren
I had 285 ilvl item crafted for me today and it worked fine
undone beacon
damn maghar orc actually lookin sick
Armor looks great on female Mag'har, its why i picked it lmao
wintry gate
any 2900 tanks na (est) want to join mythic team? (2965 resto druid here)
round pendant
Why would you hope that
undone beacon
because sleep is important 
pallid quiver
it'll make the difference psychologically
It'd make the difference on a fight that plays out almost identically/if you're just simply lucky 🙂
but most of parsing is abusing the mechanics of an encounter anyhow, so
opal ledge
what do you guys think about void elf teleport for making pulls?
sacred urchin
what do you guys think about void elf teleport for making pulls?
I'm not a tank, but honestly after it got buffed probs not bad
opal ledge
the teleport got buffed?
opal ledge
i'm just not sure how to use it as a prot
sacred urchin
Point it at the next pack as the one ur finishing is dying, pop it and pull it
gentle violet
What are yalls take on the 4th apex talent for prot? There is quite a few good talents on the spec side that I always thought it felt bad having to stick 4 into apex. Have been playing 3 so far.
undone beacon
What are yalls take on the 4th apex talent for prot? There is quite a few good t...
No reason to not take the 4th point, its a lot of damage plus its the only defensive value out of the whole apex.
There isnt a single point worth more you can move it into
undone beacon
Before when the DR was tied to the 1st point, there were theoretically builds that could give up pieces of the apex but even then it was losing a lot of damage for some marginal defensive gains elsewhere
If execute was good it may be a different story but
proud marlin
For mythics plus should i focus stats Haste > Critical Strike = Versatility > Mastery
pulsar timber
What are yalls take on the 4th apex talent for prot? There is quite a few good t...
top warriors on raider io are taking it, was kinda of following their builds for m+
rotund parcel
anyone using knight commanders palisade crafted shield have any comments regarding the effect? ive found it quite underwhelming but then its better than a 285 shield with no effect right
rotund parcel
anyone using knight commanders palisade crafted shield have any comments regardi...
Mine did 350k over the course of m10 seat and absorbed 190k damage
mighty valley
You’re almost always better just going with the generic embellishments rather than the baked-in ones
slender bison
Man, this season BSV is mandatory even in 10s if you wanna pull bigger
waxen frigate
slender bison
Was hoping to have both TaN and Shield block value but guess not
lament zealot
Are people going haste/vers or crit?
narrow prawn
man, i can't get a trinket for shit
edgy patrol
Man, this season BSV is mandatory even in 10s if you wanna pull bigger
what is that
jagged pier
Man, this season BSV is mandatory even in 10s if you wanna pull bigger
I mean its not
pearl ravine
Are people going haste/vers or crit?
yes
gray pecan
omg i just ruined a heroic run. feels bad
ffs i hit my challenging shout skill on accident while trying to grab aggro in voidspire 1st boss
grabbed the boss and the adds
-_-
had to leave after that everyone wasn't too happy with me since i messed up just before.
wanted to vent. thanks for listening
bronze locust
Things like that are what is wrong with most of gaming. There's no tolerance for mistakes, retrying, learning and getting better. What the hell man. Be lucky you didn't continue with them, because sure as hell it wouldn't have been a fun time running a damn game with them, even if it's about progression. Rant over
ionic fern
Are people going haste/vers or crit?
Haste/crit.
ionic fern
had to leave after that everyone wasn't too happy with me since i messed up just...
Happens to the best of us. I've messed up a couple of mythic bosses like that. 😄
narrow prawn
grabbed the boss and the adds
The adds on the first boss goes to the tank that has the highest amount of stacks
So do not worry on trying to grab aggro
They will get to ya
gray pecan
The adds on the first boss goes to the tank that has the highest amount of stack...
Wow. See i remember hearing it in a video but got a little overwhelmed with everything going on
Ok so no need to taunt at all. Makes sense
narrow prawn
After the third add gets free, it will cast a debuff on you
So just use your thunderclap to deal some damage and keep the aggro after the debuff goes off
And use your defensives
Cause if you don't have a high ilvl, their hits will hurt a lot
Demoralizing Shout and Shield Wall combo
gray pecan
Right on. Thank you piccolo
narrow prawn
you're welcome
wicked pollen
what should i drop to get crackling thunder?
ruby berry
Bounding stride, max rage, Shockwave cd redux, 10% more healing. Whatever you'd like.
bronze wraith
I finally beat the nemesis ??. All it took was 10 more item level and 2 piece bonus
lament osprey
This combo i like holy
shy python
Academy, the trash between Vexamus and the main plaza: all casts are being interrupted, all defensivess are up (Shield Block, Ignore Pain), the fight is on (mobs are at 40-60% HP), and I’m sitting comfortably at 80-100% HP. No big dmg Spikes. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I take a massive hit and drop to 20-30% HP.
​Unfortunately, I haven't been able to check the logs yet.
I heard of another tank making similar experience. Can you guys say anything about this?
lament osprey
gotta stun the corrupted manafiends
I know the battleaxes used to apply bleed but now its just straight arcane damage per hit
You can go in the MDT and right click the mob and see their abilities to check and confirm with warcraft logs if this is true
shy python
Yeah I have to study Logs etc next time. I'm here just to see if this happend to anyone else
shy python
This combo i like holy
Btw - what's this addon
lament osprey
Mythic dungeon tools
lament osprey
Btw - what's this addon
Oh uhh, Chonky character sheet
shy python
Oh uhh, Chonky character sheet
Thanks!
slate void
hello !
Icyveins says this is the initial rotation for AoE, does anyone know why revenge and not shield slam ?
silent shard
hello !
Icyveins says this is the initial rotation for AoE, does anyone know wh...
Basically as the article says it's a rotation for gaining aggro not for pumping giga dmg
And as @wicked pollen said, Shield Slam without your apex talent is just a ST ability, so you didn't get too much aggro for AoE
shy python
shield slam without your apex is not
Optimal is casting sslam and TC alternating isn't it?
shy python
Even of we sit on multiple charges
wicked pollen
i have 0 clue
slate void
but using Thunder blast gives you the apex talent for the next shield slam, so wouldn't it be better to shield slam and then use revenge ?
wicked pollen
i mash my keybaoard
silent shard
You cast Revenge, because Shield Charge gives you a free revenge
It's more wide than the apex
So better for getting aggro
Ofc dmg wise better to do TB and Shield Slam
wicked pollen
but aggro > damage
wicked pollen
your damage as tank is irrelevant compared to your dps living
slate void
that's right, i didn't know the range was wider on revenge
silent shard
And the article is just for starters, after time you get your own style
silent shard
that's right, i didn't know the range was wider on revenge
Not much but a little wider
lime reef
hi everyone, i jsut checked wowhead and archon.gg to see rotation. they dont use shield block at all? just spam ignore pain as much as possible
ruby berry
I'm sure both of those imply as close to 100% uptime on shield block as possible while actively tanking.
coarse bay
ya im not sure if they consider it rotational
it'll be highest priority when getting hit, and still high when not
charred shard
Im hesitant between the 285 craft of shield or weapon. I'm tented to go weapon because wprot is already tanky enough and want to max to 288 with weekly vault the shield, but at the same time there is not a single shield with Haste+Crit in the entire lootpool, while the hast+crit 1h is fairly accessible in M+ seat (i'm doing mostly m+). Any reco ?
pastel geyser
what should i drop to get crackling thunder?
the 3% leech or the bandage talent imo
cerulean tusk
Im hesitant between the 285 craft of shield or weapon. I'm tented to go weapon b...
Most important stat by a mile on a shield is shield block value, so ilvl is king.
If you got a good chance to get the Shield from raid early, I would craft something other than it.
If you dont, then I would craft the Shield and maybe waste a shard from the vault shield pick next reset 
Well, week is soon over. You could just hold till after vault
shy python
Im hesitant between the 285 craft of shield or weapon. I'm tented to go weapon b...
Cant you craft both with 4 shards?
wicked pollen
Well, week is soon over. You could just hold till after vault
funky ayuda me
cerulean tusk
What do you mean
wicked pollen
What do you mean
wicked pollen
wym
cerulean tusk
It used to be bugged, giving only value on VR
Maybe it still is. It is quite pointless
wicked pollen
okay
cerulean tusk
Happy clapping
raven lantern
hello !
Icyveins says this is the initial rotation for AoE, does anyone know wh...
With 4 Set Revenge is Free after SC
heavy sparrow
Im hesitant between the 285 craft of shield or weapon. I'm tented to go weapon b...
Me personally I'm satisfied with it being only day 3 or 4. I'm personally just going to wait to open vault and decide there
pastel geyser
Well, week is soon over. You could just hold till after vault
theres more days left in the week than days that passed man :D
well ig not if ur na
drowsy comet
lofty warren
does nightmare prey itself give heroic gear or does it give the item that lets you get a map in delve that is heroic itself
maiden quiver
does nightmare prey itself give heroic gear or does it give the item that lets y...
The weekly quest for 3 nightmare hunts rewards the item that summons the Nemesis to your delve who drops the map that lets you get the heroic trove
mild vessel
Is there a minimum haste cap to have 100% block shield uptime?
little ermine
solid sun
So do the bosses need weakauras
I haven’t watched any of the mythic bosses, but I’m wondering if Blizzard successfully designed their bosses with the addon purge in mind
cold pilot
If I'm in full hero gear, whats the point of holding crests?
drowsy comet
love doing keys with pugs and DPS standing in every puddle and killing the whole party smh
coarse bay
So do the bosses need weakauras
so far it seems like an easy raid
but we dont have the last 2 bosses yet
most bosses so far have been 10 pull bosses for the guilds doing them
solid sun
so far it seems like an easy raid
One of the things I remember was the higher end raiding community praising the loss of weakauras because they said they didn’t really wanna use those things anyway and only did because they needed to
But it kinda looks like all three of the RWF guilds are still using them
coarse bay
there arent weakauras telling you what to do or assigning roles
so u need to actually pay attention to if u get something and make a decision
but reminders and timers are all still there
solid sun
Gotcha
coarse bay
they havent had many mechanics that stand out for that
solid sun
Isn’t that what max is there to do. Be the timeline and reminderer
coarse bay
itd be something like paladins soaks, something assigning where to go and splitting groups accordingly or something
ya RL is the dbm
solid sun
It seems like they made an easy raid and made all these addon changes just for the big three guilds to still end up using all the same stuff
sharp gale
So do the bosses need weakauras
There is and they will likely not be released to public
But Blizz will nerf the raid before it matter
solid sun
So there are mechanics that require weakauras
sharp gale
The paladins dispels
solid sun
That’s unfortunate
sharp gale
they will likely nerf that
They have kick WA for saladbar kicks but not required at all
deft fulcrum
I might be late to the party but I've been doing a little tanking to make keys fast. And personally I feel like the 4set absolutely sucks. Am I alone in this ?
rough nest
Got it yesterday, haven"t tanked any key since. Is it just a free revenge proc ?
coarse bay
I might be late to the party but I've been doing a little tanking to make keys f...
almost every tier set sucks, not really an outlier
it's just some free damage
first season of expansion tier sets are usually underwhelming.
deft fulcrum
Yeah agree. But I think most of the dps ones are actually decent well I like the fury one anyway. A similar effect on reducing the cooldown on shield charge would be very nice imo.
tribal wharf
from a noob perspective it is seen as big boost that your major dmg CD is increased by 100%
just the way its worded
save 50%
everyones excited
its like how in nexus you get 300% dps
for more than 2 seconds
who the hell doesnt want that
tribal wharf
nope
solid sun
I want to see what I can do on my own merit
tribal wharf
whatever do biggest dmg output from me and my team
solid sun
Not after getting boosted by some light show
tribal wharf
i will ALWAYS take that option and go the nuclear route
that, and first boss of nexus
ppl randomly die, mostly to the orb crash it seems
and i wonder how much of that is me placing boss right, and marked doing its job
tribal wharf
seems like it has big potential to be insta wipe on tyranical 10-15s lol
fallen fern
Talking about trinkets, how good are the Darkmoon trinkets if crafted at 285?
Looking at Bloodmallet they seem to be pretty good
tribal wharf
or, i would put that on, if you want to be slightly more live more
old me would want it for "311 haste" disregarding proc and 12 seconds
vast epoch
If the haste would always procc would be fun
tribal wharf
so, you could probably have 311 haste, at random mind you, 30% ish of the time
vast epoch
Staying with 250 heart and the main stat on use pvp trinket with 1 min cd and crit as constant stat
tribal wharf
come on more patron orders
hang on i got some similiar trinkets, 1 sec
i have this on warrior
vast epoch
That globule definettly looks much more fun than the egg
chrome falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pzP69xHA1ZWYBGnk?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=16
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CRX8ygjHT6YMNKrZ?fight=37&source=3&type=damage-done
Hey can someone help me figure how why i do 20k less dps than this guy
Why am i getting turbo gapped
chrome falcon
Is it literally just gear? I don't want to just blame gear but i'm actually getting fucking owned and i think i'm pretty good at this game
chrome falcon
oh i was running HR the whole night
on a boss that melee swings 10 times in the entire encounter
ok honestly ignore me my talent setup is griefing hard
tribal wharf
no worries
just be sure to add "raid" and "keys" to your build name
or HR ITF or some shit some abbreviation of abilities u took
chrome falcon
I still don't get why the gap is that big off like two different talent choices and 8 ilvls
chrome falcon
yeah i guess he got 12 more slams in 1 minute shorter encounter
well his fight is 1 min shorter lol
pale sequoia
yo! how terrible is though as nails? i dont see anyone using it
chrome falcon
tough as nails is way overtuned
jagged pier
Crit luck a bit maybe
chrome falcon
every build should have that talent i think
jagged pier
Hard to tell on phone
But they have 4 more ss cast per mintue than h and 1 more cpm of tc at least
Over a fight thats a bit
pale sequoia
idk how you tested it, was on 12/13 and it bassicaly does nothing
chrome falcon
it should be doing like 5% of your damage
that's pretty good for a passive halfway up the tree
sharp gale
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pzP69xHA1ZWYBGnk?fight=3&type=damage-done&s...
He has 10 more ilvl than you, likely better trinkets to dps, you wiped, and then I would need to check timeline but phone so awful to do
chrome falcon
like wtf else are you gonna pick, deep wounds? sudden death?
pale sequoia
ah i guess we have a different perspective on overtuned 😄
chrome falcon
mmm in the sense that mine is right and yours is wrong yeah
sorry that was rude
but yeah
jagged pier
To much damage for 1 point
jagged pier
And is more damage than execute + execute talent even on st
chrome falcon
thank you blizzard i love our talent tree 🙂
chrome falcon
He has 10 more ilvl than you, likely better trinkets to dps, you wiped, and then...
yeah this dude has heroic alnseer lmao??
idk i do suck though alas
pale sequoia
what content are you playing exactly? mythic prog or m+?
jagged pier
I mean hes running masscre and hardly presses execute
So he could change talents and do more damage
sharp gale
yeah this dude has heroic alnseer lmao??
He killed the boss 1 min before your wipe, likely splits guild
Likely better prot too, just lazy to check on phone tho sorry
Timeline / replay is cursed on little screen
chrome falcon
yeah nah if i could go back in time 10 minutes and actually look at my talents before babyraging i would do
very obvious where my mistakes are (the talent tree lol)
as long as im pressing buttons basically correctly idc
jagged pier
Both
More tc than SSs
1 less tc a min than that guy
And 4 less SSs a min than that guy
U dont play apex
chrome falcon
1 less tc a min than that guy
im putting that down to his kill being a minute faster and me forgetting to pick ITF
jagged pier
U literally just send ss
jagged pier
But hes also running hr
jagged pier
As i said
He can have better talents
And do more
Masscre is also dead
He had that
chrome falcon
i picked massacre he didn't
jagged pier
jagged pier
Its under sheid slam
chrome falcon
ah ok dropdown i see
this guy seems to be playing around phalanx as well though
it was a higher % of his damage
jagged pier
He doesnt
chrome falcon
so how is phalanx a higher % of his damage that's confusing
jagged pier
cedar kite
maybe its the ilvl difference
chrome falcon
nah
sharp gale
Yeah he is 270
chrome falcon
i mean yes to some extent but
i can't analyse and improve that so why worry about it
it actually looks like i have more haste too so idk
sharp gale
He does 8% more dps than you just by ilvl
jagged pier
I mean relatively he has more casts per mintue of both
So he will relativley have more phalanx
So it will be higher
chrome falcon
He does 8% more dps than you just by ilvl
yeah but he did 50% more damage
cedar kite
so hes just always using abilities
sharp gale
yeah but he did 50% more damage
When you add up multiplicative % gains, you can easily do 50% more than someone else
cedar kite
vs you not using abilities
jagged pier
I mean he also had 20 vo procs versus your 22 in a mintue longer fight
chrome falcon
ok well how does that happen
because i wasted 2 rage and he was like 140
i guess just the cpm thing again
jagged pier
Well when u generate 85 more rage a mintue it adds up
chrome falcon
hmm
is there a skill element to getting burst of power procs
this dude got 19 and i got 10
and my fight was a minute longer
toxic pewter
is he using
chrome falcon
no
toxic pewter
almost double the amount does seem kinda high.. hmm
like if it was 2 or 3 thats prob rng
toxic pewter
yah 3 rage one much better
chrome falcon
yeah idk if this dude got 27 more free shield slam procs
that makes a bit of difference
chrome falcon
yeah i haven't really stressed too much about my parses since dragonflight
jagged pier
But still haveing more tc casts than ss casts is wrong
chrome falcon
burst of power is too stupid
chrome falcon
But still haveing more tc casts than ss casts is wrong
yeah im gonna go look at some other pulls to see if that's a consistent problem
toxic pewter
thee other guy had more clap casts I take it?
cuz the def will proc lightning strikes more right
jagged pier
didnt realize the swings were upwards of 100% tho ddamn
S2 it was reliant on tier set did it proc at the right time did it proc enough, s3 was basically did u get free tbs and bursts
All skill gone
toxic pewter
na revenge tc and exe
jagged pier
ss doesnt
toxic pewter
All skill gone
toxic pewter
maiden quiver
It's literally one of the more exciting tanks wdym. Have you even played a blood dk
maiden quiver
teleports have 8 hour cd wtf lol
It's always been like that lol. They reset when you time a key
round pendant
teleports have 8 hour cd wtf lol
No way this is your first expac having portals?
frigid valley
do i vendor or na?
tribal wharf
the only portal i have is WCM lol
cuz that for me is the easiest dungeon of all time
not for team
wcm is as easy as running vanilla mario 1
vast epoch
do i vendor or na?
Nice ragebait , giving you 7,5/10
solid sun
I cooked with onions last night
Washed my hands thrice and a shower later and I still smell hints of onion on my fingers
coarse bay
Did u taste them
coarse bay
Your fingers
solid sun
We got onioned up
coarse bay
coarse bay
Interesting
coarse bay
I bet you made some good food
glad nimbus
Is it the damage from Judgement that can be reflected on Lightblinded Vanguard?
solid sun
@jagged pier are you doing dungeons or nah
coarse bay
Is it the damage from Judgement that can be reflected on Lightblinded Vanguard?
Yes, and exorcism i hear
glad nimbus
Yes, and exorcism i hear
Thanks!
solid sun
That maxroll guide needs to be updated
I went to it to answer the question and saw so many question marks lol
tribal wharf
not updated 2 weeks
coarse bay
Ya i just remembered it being talked about and i told my guild’s warrior
tribal wharf
someone in my group ask me why i leaping for charge
then i realized i was doing it
and give him explanation i was being messy with it
funny how being called out breaks behavoirs
coarse bay
Someone called me out and called me bad
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> are you doing dungeons or nah
Some
coarse bay
Then i became good
jagged pier
Y?
coarse bay
Like a switch
solid sun
Y?
In AA are you doing the full plant room, full book room at the arcane boss, and a giga pull at the end?
Or are these twerps griefing
coarse bay
Scary
solid sun
Because these pulls do not seem to be working
toxic pewter
what is the best way to pull the end in aa
like those knights do giga dam
how many should i have at one time max
coarse bay
I did the 3 at stairs alone, then 2 at door into boss
toxic pewter
ok
solid sun
Idk stealth pot it and pull other stuff. The spinny idiots can kick rocks
toxic pewter
that is kinda what i do
toxic pewter
Idk stealth pot it and pull other stuff. The spinny idiots can kick rocks
interesting
solid sun
You pulled the spinny idiots into the boss
coarse bay
Ya
toxic pewter
i do a skip of the 2 snake guys after bird boss
solid sun
My entire friends list would evict me
toxic pewter
so i sort of have to pull at end
toxic pewter
ya doin just 1 is actually prob better
solid sun
I feel like every AA change made it worse
Bleed added to plant room, can’t Los snakes, spinny idiots
My friends quitting
coarse bay
My bear friend is ready to quit
Its safe to slow down rn, timers arent that rushed
toxic pewter
did they change aa final boss
cuz i swear it is shooting little ball orbs more than it used to or something
whole room is flooded with them
toxic pewter
I think so
solid sun
Maybe it’s the group doing oopsies
coarse bay
I fought boss on wall and moved it around room
toxic pewter
yeah i move her around a lot
plush tendon
last boss AA I just bring her to a corner
solid sun
And leave her there forever
plush tendon
team drops pools in that corner and then we shift to next corner
solid sun
Oh
plush tendon
but that trash before last boss in AA is aids now
coarse bay
Ya it helps to be stacked wherever u do it
plush tendon
well, in a 10 yesterday I did just end up pulling all of it
from the stairs to the door at once
XD
solid sun
But the snakes are lame now, apparently the birds hurt, the book arena seems worse
solid sun
Augusto standing in spinny idiot to get more death strike value
solid sun
Are you doing vampire tree or cold tree
hoary sluice
Hey guys. Was wondering if you could help me with something. I'm one of those people who SUCKS at making macros lol. What would the macro be for a button to swap between Defensive Stance and Battle Stance? Like can I put it on Control + Mouse Button 5 for example, and it'll switch between each both stances on the same button? Like from one stance to another and back?
solid sun
It was my favorite in DF
coarse bay
I wish i could help but i havent left defensive stance in years
hoary sluice
Macros under faq
Thank you!
solid sun
No
coarse bay
solid sun
hoary sluice
good looking guys. much appreciated!
hoary sluice
it's just a small improvement i'm going to work on. would like to eek out as much damage as possible, so finding moments to swap between would be good. and it's helpful if it's on one button so i can do it quickly to make it easier.
i'm pretty solid at cat weaving still, so comparatively it's not too much extra mental stack
and just know, even though it doesn't let me, i'm thumb upping your posts in my heart. 😂
hidden sinew
Feel like lot of tank swaps keep the OT with a hefty debuff or dot. Not sure leaving defensive stance is the right call in most fights this tier
Good for questing tho
hoary sluice
not in most of them. but definitely some spots when i take almost no damage. i take very little damage it seems to begin with on most fights. think i rarely drop below 75% hp.
and when i dont' have aggro or debuffs, would be good to get a bit more damage in
hidden sinew
Idk in voidspire, bosses 1, 2, 3 all have debuffs with dots or + damage taken. Bosses 4 and 5 you’re never off tanking. Haven’t tried 6 yet
I’m with you in concept tho. Parses are parses 🫡
timid wigeon
any tip to deal with AA's first pull ?
solid sun
Which part
timid wigeon
bleeds
timid wigeon
it hurts af
hidden sinew
Which part
He said first pull smh
solid sun
Yeah it’s a brutal pull. You can survive it for a bit but it’s kind of a dps check
What key level are you in
timid wigeon
12
solid sun
How close is your timer on an 11
Because if you can spare extra time it may be worth it to just not do the whole pull
timid wigeon
Because if you can spare extra time it may be worth it to just not do the whole ...
nah, go big or go home, I don't do chicken pulls
timid wigeon
I dunno i go to 5 stacks i leap i run around a bit its drops
interesting, I tried to leap away when it cast, but it still hit me
daring marlin
nah, go big or go home, I don't do chicken pulls
based
timid wigeon
I guess the flower needs to be in melee range to be able to cast it
jagged pier
I mean u need to kite in a few dungeons tbh
Skyreach too for the bleed
But that debuff is far shorter
daring marlin
I miss CnS tclap root
jagged pier
So its more of a 2 step
daring marlin
goated
jagged pier
Literally works on nothing
daring marlin
Are they stupid????
daring marlin
round pendant
Are they stupid????
Do you even need to ask
solid sun
Yam when are you doing dungeons with me
coarse bay
Now I look like a doofus in front of my friends
I hate when people do dat
jagged pier
2:30 pm
solid sun
So 5 hours
I normally can’t get online until like 8/9 pm
So that’s 1/2 am for you lol
round pendant
Yam when are you doing dungeons with me
Probably never
solid sun
Maybe on the weekends
It’d be fun to get some Skyhold NA EU crossover groups together
plush tendon
just come to NA
you can play with Canadians and Americans
much better than Frenchies
solid sun
Can you say that
cerulean tusk
I will play with you, Jakey 
Then you can tank my keys and I get to braindead DPS
cerulean tusk
Why? They have up a long time ago to stop us
solid sun
I see what you did there
undone beacon
I have barely even touched my bear so far 
plush tendon
im also like 97% sure Jakey is English
solid sun
Pash only likes specs when they’re fringe
cerulean tusk
Jakey is a brit, makes sense
solid sun
Cat are you Dutch?
cerulean tusk
Norwegian
Rhino fevereshly looking up the map atm
"wait, this isnt in the EU"
Mind blown
solid sun
Honestly
I was gonna ask if that was the same thing
But I didn’t want to offend anyone
cerulean tusk
Norway is in Europe, northern part. Not part of the EU
undone beacon
Why tho, bear is kinda strong
I've been put on priest duty for my raid so I'm playing shadow rn
cerulean tusk
We get snow, sure but also summers with no end, 20-24hour sun uptime baby
Pash a shadow of his former self
solid sun
Do you have dark curtains to block out the sun to make it easier to sleep
Or does the sun have no effect on your sleep abilities
cerulean tusk
Yep, big old double layer, make it pitch black
But i dont need em where i live now, as I am currently in the South
I am a weak southern
cerulean tusk
Nop, prob could find it, but we about that milk/cheese and hard bread
solid sun
Hard bread is interesting
maiden quiver
With the extra flat 5% haste should we almost always be taking ITF in Algethar?
cerulean tusk
If you want to, sure, also isnt it 3% in m+?
cerulean tusk
Hard bread is interesting
Tasty and doesnt spoil, soften it with milk and the kids enjoy it easily as well
cerulean tusk
That is Belgium no?
cerulean tusk
I had em, yeah
Bit too sweet for my tastes, but I get the charm
We dont have the OG no
Just brand spinoff
undone beacon
With the extra flat 5% haste should we almost always be taking ITF in Algethar?
Its 3% haste now, and for now its probably safer to stick to HR. You can play around with it though, as long as you're maintaining SB uptime you're good
undone beacon
what was the line again
Gonna take some time to block some users here but eventually Ill get only useful content I suppose
Still geeked over that
undone beacon
Pash ignoring me, fbm
solid sun
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen pash get blocked
undone beacon
I know, crazy work
solid sun
Two groups are 7/9 M before I’ve even stepped foot in Heroic
APB forgot me at the starting line
sharp merlin
solid sun
It’s good to see me left behind!?
What the heck, bear
We’re both part of the animal kingdom
toxic pewter
not first week but it is done
undone beacon
poggarino
toxic pewter
now what do i do
undone beacon
play deadlock
undone beacon
part of me wants to burn all these champ crests on upgrading this shitter champ gear cuz i know champ crests are more or less useless but also, farming hero pieces and saving crests
solid sun
If you’re gonna play deadlock you should play the slime dude
undone beacon
I play Warden
slender bison
Saving crests for what? Youll have 3k next weekend
toxic pewter
i love deadlock but im still too intimadated by it
something about it just seems very high skill game
undone beacon
Saving crests for what? Youll have 3k next weekend
I'm too traumatized by turbo boost optimizing
slender bison
Yeah, i dont know why they add Turbo in 4 weeks if everybody is so over M+ by then
oak ivy
I'm too traumatized by turbo boost optimizing
real
undone beacon
I mean, they're not doing a turbo boost in the same way as before so its not a big deal but still
slender bison
Yeah, its more like turbo min-max for BiS hunt. But BiS for what? Your main will be over-saturated by then due to current content difficulty being so low
You can use voidforge on alts I guess
jagged pier
Yeah, i dont know why they add Turbo in 4 weeks if everybody is so over M+ by th...
Raid nerf as it always is
So they dont need to nerf mechanis to much
Easier for tuning
hoary sluice
stats wise, is there a soft/hard haste cap? like 25%? 30%? or just as much as humanly possible? lol
undone beacon
There is not. We reccomend simming your character
The only stat number worth noting is 1188 haste, to swap from HR to ITF
mighty valley
There are meaningful diminishing returns thresholds but we ain't reaching them this patch
solid sun
I wonder how puggable M is this time
Since people are saying it’s so easy
Is it like easy for the crazy good guilds
solid sun
Or is it easy generally too
jagged pier
Its easy for the top guilds
But thats always the case for like the first 6-7 anyway
And easy, but can stack 4 hunters and 3 warlocks
mighty valley
there are still mechanics that will destroy pugs, the inc damage just seems way too low for rwf healers
hoary sluice
ok good to know! thanks
tribal wharf
OKAY, garfrost is a bit tricky
we wiped to him on 6 some how (EOD hero track gear, dodges fort)
only slightly
dps has to put the boulder not near a green puddle
hasty hill
Which video guide would y'all recommend for someone that has never played warrior, I'm not familiar with content creators besides dorki when it comes to tanks and he doesn't have one for warrior yet
tribal wharf
i like his content
he has indom in one of his builds tho, generaly we dont take that
mighty valley
his description of the rotation is pretty bad
slow pilot
I filled tank on heroic for saladbar, ended up solo tanking him from 20-30 million HP
and once for a half phase at like half hp, had to brez the other tank
pretty sure I got bopped at one point, feels good, 1st time tanking this xpac
2 am shitshow pug, 2nd attempt
coarse bay
I'm too traumatized by turbo boost optimizing
Me too, i literally have held all crests and had to be forced to spend
plush tendon
Me too, i literally have held all crests and had to be forced to spend
I have 150 Myth crests and 220 hero crests on my DK
and nothing to slam
game hates me
coarse bay
Ya i finally sent a tiny bit of hero crests
plush tendon
I'm supposed to send on only 3/6 hero pieces
coarse bay
I'm supposed to send on only 3/6 hero pieces
Ya ive been unlucky and only had a couple pieces
I did my pantaloons
And that might be the only one
tribal wharf
i am team send all crests
plush tendon
I was also asked to main swap from Pal to DK
coarse bay
Rip
coarse bay
For raid tank?
plush tendon
all depends on tuning right now though
we did Mythic Voracious last night
and shit was trucking me on DK
granted I was like I level 260
but still
coarse bay
Tbf when our tanks were asked to prep and upkeep bdks, there wasnt supposed to be a chance of me tanking
tribal wharf
i have a monk, but he is pretty much too weak overall
plush tendon
but good thing I was playing blood
coarse bay
and shit was trucking me on DK
Do you feel that 260% buff
plush tendon
we hit enrage on that boss
coarse bay
Oh is it a damage check
tribal wharf
doesnt help me that thane fury has rend and not clap in 1button rotation
not that i use that thing
tribal wharf
i use it to try to get idea of what to cast next for dps
plush tendon
but the first four mythic fights we are doing will be free by next reset
and thats a promise
tribal wharf
i dont i promise
coarse bay
Ya we dont have our raid night till monday and we’ll be heading to mythic
coarse bay
We’ll be pretty boosted by m+ all week
plush tendon
Ya we dont have our raid night till monday and we’ll be heading to mythic
first boss is basically same as heroic
theres a healer dispell
and dps have to full focus the add
second boss just be ethical and do call outs for the add drops to break walls
and chim, if you get there, be super diligent about fear casts
and, as a war, spec into your fear remove thing
coarse bay
and chim, if you get there, be super diligent about fear casts
That caused us more problems than id like to admit
plush tendon
there are two fear adds in the intermission
so make sure people are super aware, have dks to grip
and range interrupts ready
coarse bay
i appreciate all the info
Ill spread the word so that we can not waste time on dummy things
I think our roster for myth will he pushed tonight
solid sun
Did I make the cut
coarse bay
Ya
coarse bay
solid sun
Mandl doesn’t seem very excited about bdk
But Augusto acts like bdk is strong
I wonder if Mandl is being too critical
plush tendon
BDK isn’t great, but it’s perfectly viable
coarse bay
I think it’s more the feel
It feels kinda clunky
But it’d need like a full rework
plush tendon
Blood is a spec that I think blizzard is still trying to work out how they want it to play
At least for raid, my biggest gripe is ST damage and just general tankiness
For keys… well I could probably write a 100 page dissertation on that
Still totally fine doing weekly 12s
solid sun
The playstyle doesn’t translate to infinitely scaling content
Because eventually you just go splat
Generally faster than mitigation tanks
But that isn’t necessarily a bad thing
Just depends if you need every tank to be able to do the highest possible key or not
plush tendon
Mit tanks have a much more predictable damages intake profile
It’s why you hear healers be super happy they have a war or brew
But with BDK you gotta let Jesus take the wheel
solid sun
I do think sometimes there are tanks that don’t care at all about like pushing the limit of what they can do and are completely content to just do weekly 12s for the most part
BDK can really shine in that category of tank player
Just optimizing those routes and gameplay in that level of key.
plush tendon
all specs are capable of doing 12s
but balance really only comes into question when pushing limits
for the vast majority of players, you can play whatever you want with whatever you want
as long as you understand the general idea of your class and spec and have a vauge idea of the content youll be good
solid sun
Yeh I think everyone knows everything can do 12s
plush tendon
like I aint gonna throw a fit that a brewmaster can tank a 12 better then me
like, whoop di doo
we both can do it
solid sun
I think most people can say the same thing about world first keys too though
peak iron
is shield specialization not worth it despite the block value increase?
plush tendon
naw, those world first keys are insane
thats where balance and comp start mattering
solid sun
Idc that x class can do world first keys. Whoop di doo. I don’t even wanna do ‘em
opal ledge
i'm so tempted to change race to earthen to get 3.5% physycal damage reduction x.x
plush tendon
is shield specialization not worth it despite the block value increase?
i dont run it
I might get yelled at
but I run BSV over shield spec
peak iron
i was just looking at one of the top prot m+ runs and it looked like he sac'd shield spec to put a point in TaN so i wasnt sure if that was standard
solid sun
That’s crazy
peak iron
granted it looks like china realm and they do crazy stuff over there
peak iron
i figured it was a pretty substanital tradeoff
plush tendon
you can see the trade off on your character sheet
its like 4% phys dam mitigation
if memory serves me right
peak iron
whats the average gain from TaN in a key?
ebon geyser
is null spawn boss in delves random in delves or they have to be bountiful
jagged pier
random unless u have bacon
solid sun
We take both TaN and shield spec
jagged pier
yes
solid sun
But we don’t take BSV
solid sun
If you want that you move a flex point
jagged pier
so theres no way to trigger him without becon
nope
the flex point for BSV is bloodsurge, BB or Tan depending what u have
solid sun
The flex point is not shield spec
jagged pier
tecnically TaN is the right choice is u want pure defence standpoint
as its just damage
lofty warren
Na already won the race of world best guild? They're so fast nowadays
jagged pier
nope thats just mid tier boss
ebon geyser
Na already won the race of world best guild? They're so fast nowadays
i mean the last expansion and this raids have been so lame i miss the 30 days plus of race like in vanilla
opal ledge
whats the average gain from TaN in a key?
7% overall from TaN, i can't see myself playing without tan, i rather drop enduring alacrity
lofty warren
Ppl too sweaty for 30d race. Pretty sure doing wow is literally their job
daring marlin
Na already won the race of world best guild? They're so fast nowadays
ring ring hello midnight falls is the final boss
sinful copper
Ppl too sweaty for 30d race. Pretty sure doing wow is literally their job
i wish it was my job
lofty warren
i wish it was my job
You think you do but you dont. Try having to level 20 characters and like 7 of them being the same spec.
buoyant mirage
can someone help, I've crafted a weapon at 285 with devouring embelishment, now do I craft shield with darkmoon or arcanoweave?
sinful copper
LOL true. anyway, how are u guys feeling in 12's this week? pretty easy or is any dungeon more challenging?
ebon geyser
one thing that max said the other day stuck with me , you will never have the satisfaction or enjoyment of the game since you never identify with a class , you never enjoy a class or spec
lofty warren
ring ring hello midnight falls is the final boss
Not sure who midnight falls is but when I look at journal I see that crown as the last one. Maybe there are multiple race to world sweatiest guild achievements available now? Sounds like the eus still have a chance to get one
coarse bay
coarse bay
i mean the last expansion and this raids have been so lame i miss the 30 days pl...
There’s no 30 days of prog racing, itd be 27 days of prep and 3 days of prog. Nobody wants to watch that
lofty warren
LOL true. anyway, how are u guys feeling in 12's this week? pretty easy or is an...
I 2 chested +11s with 251 ilvl so its pretty easy now. So much diff from s1 tww
toxic pewter
It’s better this way if people want to push higher they still can
Meanwhile lower people can still make progress
And get achievements
daring marlin
apbased yet again
ebon geyser
There’s no 30 days of prog racing, itd be 27 days of prep and 3 days of prog. No...
i mean even now rwf is crap, i do get that blizz is making stuff easier and easier has time goes but idk like boss dying in barely any pulls
coarse bay
i mean even now rwf is crap, i do get that blizz is making stuff easier and easi...
We havent even seen the prog bosses yet
toxic pewter
I got aotc but green parsed ugh
coarse bay
Idk what youre expecting
toxic pewter
I gotta redo it now
coarse bay
These bosses will still take pulls for normal guilds
Youre looking at the best guilds in the world
toxic pewter
Heroic dragons literally destroying entire raids for two weeks straight
lofty warren
Fact: if every raid was easy like emerald nightmare id probably do myth raid. Not that I like it but it would be less of a time commitment
ebon geyser
Idk what youre expecting
idk i guess a closer race i guess
peak iron
never thought id see the day where the NA headstart actually unambiguously determines the race outcome but here we are
coarse bay
idk i guess a closer race i guess
The last race was insanely close…
coarse bay
never thought id see the day where the NA headstart actually unambiguously deter...
The race hasnt even really started yet
Youre literally calling ggs on the race at 7/9
daring marlin
Heroic dragons literally destroying entire raids for two weeks straight
It's honestly so funny cuz it's like get fear out soak gloom boss dies
lofty warren
That's why they should put the sweat ppl whose job it is to do wow into tournament realm, crank the difficulty up to 1000, and for everyone else give easy/semi soft bosses. The sweat ppl would actually probably like that too bc then they wouldnt have to spend all their time selling carries to finance their sweatiness
ebon geyser
The last race was insanely close…
i guess i want anoter edge of my seat race like fyrakk was
dusty flume
Is 4/4 apex for prot the move in higher keys?
coarse bay
i guess i want anoter edge of my seat race like fyrakk was
Last boss i think echo had a sub 1% pull, and many many sub 5% pulls
It was close
ebon geyser
The race hasnt even really started yet
i mean true but like max said until tues they can grind infite ilvl
peak iron
i mean i dont see why QD would be any different, this is clearly a departure from the past in terms of blizz' philosophy on the encounter design they've intentionally made everything easier and the mythic splits for top guilds will trivailize whatever is in the last two bosses
coarse bay
Is 4/4 apex for prot the move in higher keys?
It’s the play always. Take all 4 points
coarse bay
i mean i dont see why QD would be any different, this is clearly a departure fro...
Theyll tune around it for the race
It’s always tuned for the race
lofty warren
never thought id see the day where the NA headstart actually unambiguously deter...
America realm winning so bigly. Heard that if America wins all the races this patch they are legally required to rename it to race to world 2nd bc 1st place is already reserved
peak iron
they panic hotfixed pallies and alleria to make them artificially harder for the race and it made no difference at all lol its too late for this tier
toxic pewter
The less time the race to world first lasts the better I’m tired of twitchers and YouTubers in life
coarse bay
You guys are tripping
peak iron
they did their addon change and missed the mark trying to balance that with raid design, its not the end of the world but it is what it is
coarse bay
Too late for the race
tribal wharf
they seem to be panic fixing alot ot things
daring marlin
America realm winning so bigly. Heard that if America wins all the races this pa...
🦅
coarse bay
Imagine seeing fract die last season and saying the race is cooked and its too late
peak iron
they can try again next patch and it will probably be better
coarse bay
Am i being baited
peak iron
last season is not this season - the game has changed
sick sentinel
people always doom about stupid things
tribal wharf
the day keys went live the bombs boss 2 seat had 3 varitions on appearance
coarse bay
I have to be getting baited
tribal wharf
first it was jelly beach balls
then it was spikey basketballs
and then finally large spiked balls
all in 1 day
peak iron
you can either doom or cope those are the two options here
sick sentinel
or just making assumptions about things you dont know
peak iron
if you make any claim about QD you are by definition making an assumption thats what we are all doing
some are assuming it will be a lot harder some are assuming it will be more of the same with only a marginal increase in difficulty
coarse bay
We know nothing about the part of the raid that actually matters
When has the race been decided
By middle bosses
All guilds will be on equal ground by the time the race starts
lofty warren
Racers should be put into tournament realm, blizz crank the difficulty up to 1000 or add a whole bunch of unfair mechanics as they please, and for everyone else give easy/semi soft bosses.
The racer ppl would actually probably like that too bc then they wouldnt have to spend all their time selling carries so they can buy all the boes at the start.
Blizz wouldnt be forced to make raids unfair to satisfy the race ppl at the expense of e eryone else
coarse bay
Theyll all run splits and gear
peak iron
when have the first 7 bosses all been taken down in like 100 combined pulls lol
not even a mid-raid wall or prog boss
peak iron
Racers should be put into tournament realm, blizz crank the difficulty up to 10...
i would like to see this tbh
i want the WF raiders to really suffer
coarse bay
I mean most walls early on end up needing to be nerfed because of oversight
And those have never decided a race
coarse bay
Yes
solid sun
I been legit running from that dumb ball
lofty warren
You stepped too far to the left, raid wipe. You didnt interrupt the 0.3 second cast? Raid wipe
mighty valley
rwf is never gonna be an official blizzard event, they're not gonna make tournament realms for it
peak iron
raid wipes if no one soaks it
coarse bay
Back to work im done getting baited
lofty warren
Race ended
True. America realm win againe
peak iron
usa usa usa
solid sun
Back to work im done getting baited
I’m not baiting!
mighty valley
part of why anyone gives a shit is because it's on the same servers as anyone else
solid sun
I really did think I was supposed to dodge it!
coarse bay
I’m not baiting!
Not u lmao
undone beacon
Back to work im done getting baited
solid sun
Nothing about that ball screams touch me
peak iron
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