protection

[lusty grotto]

and if you dont get replies, just mention it here

[nova gorge]

bet, thanks

Is there a certain boss that's easier to review logs vs others? I've got 6/7H - not sure which would provide best "analysis".

[lusty grotto]

vorasius probably

at least for basic check up

[daring marlin]

LMFAO

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

that aint pink class

thats just a warrior with a pink mog

you aint fooling us

[coarse bay]

[daring marlin]

perhaps

[dusky canopy]

God dayum bro save some for the rest of us Hollyy

[smoky saffron]

So question for next week I got decent bracers so would crafting 285 boots with arcanoweave be acceptable or does it have to be bracers or cloak?

[undone beacon]

Boots are usually fine as well, still a low budget piece

[smoky saffron]

Excellent thank you

[daring marlin]

The pink mog gave me a raid buff

[dusky canopy]

Efficiency wise I’d suggest cloak or wrist personally

[lusty grotto]

i would suggest cloak

[lofty warren]

Min ilvl to tank +10? Realistic not the ilvl where ppl are carrying you

[lusty grotto]

boots have more stat pool

[sharp gale]

Boots or belt are usually my 2nd/3rd craft

(2nd if I craft 2hander)

[lusty grotto]

all of the gear you have now is going to be replaced

you have no "decent bracers" now

[smoky saffron]

Ok ill have ideally have 2 mythic crafts this week so weapon upgrade and cloak with embellishment

[lusty grotto]

unless they are hero track, i guess, but even then

[coarse bay]

We have no idea, nobody here has done a +10 tomorrow yet

[daring marlin]

yolo that shit

[undone beacon]

if i had to guess, at LEAST 170

Maybe 175 if you want to be picky

[coarse bay]

Depends heavily on group, and we still dont know how the tuning will turn out exactly

[bronze wraith]

How the hell do you do ?? nemesis as a prot warrior? I just don't do enough damage

[daring marlin]

It's a long fight

[smoky saffron]

It's an endurance test not a race

[lofty warren]

What ilvl does 7-9 end of dungeon m+ loot drop?

[bronze wraith]

The god damn ticks poison me to death

[undone beacon]

rotate hard CC on the ticks and burst em down

[lusty grotto]

reset your stacks with stuns and/or SR

they have a cast bar

use that

[lofty warren]

M7-m9 gives 259-263 and ur saying min ilvl to do a 10 is 270? How does that math

[undone beacon]

I said 170

4head

[coarse bay]

A good group can probably do it at 250, but thats still a guess

[lofty warren]

Ohh. 170 still not math good

[ebon geyser]

Leveling a mage because this job won't let me commit to be a tank like I wanna be...

[sharp gale]

10 gives 3/6 hero gear

[ebon geyser]

Adulting hitting hard today

So ty for the help you all have provided.

[bronze wraith]

I feel like I do 0 damage

[undone beacon]

Do you have a log of some kind or anything more to give us

[lusty grotto]

how much are you averaging

and you might wanna hold your cds when close to 75%, 50% and 25%

but only when close

otherwise just hit them on cd

[fluid widget]

Are you MT?

[lofty warren]

Easiest dungeons m+ s1 assuming no additional tuning?

[bronze wraith]

yewah

[daring marlin]

probably AA

That place is cake

[fluid widget]

I dunno those battle axes are going to be fucky

[daring marlin]

I feek like it's easier than the first time around

[raw parcel]

Algethar was the BEST dungeon of Dragonflight, too.

Love that place. Glad it isn't Azure Vault or the fucking centaur one.

[fluid widget]

I don’t like non-cast tank killers

[lofty warren]

AA has those annoying worm that cast arcane vomit on you

[daring marlin]

NO was ok

I could see people hating it on prot tho

[fluid widget]

I feel like magister’s should be ok

[raw parcel]

I just hate it generally, not spec specific.

[lusty grotto]

i dont like AA

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-bitch-aaron-paul-gif-11125967

[lusty grotto]

its just boring

shown up way too many times at this point

[lofty warren]

Which are the other easiest m+ dungeons other than aa

[daring marlin]

🔮

[undone beacon]

this is the first DF to be brought back smh

[daring marlin]

oh oh oh wait

[lofty warren]

Pit of sorrow?

[mighty valley]

first DN to be brought back, too

[lusty grotto]

yes, but thats the 3rd time it has shown up

[fluid widget]

God no

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[fluid widget]

Pit of sorrow is going to have so many butt pulls

And it had a lot of scary casts/mobs

[lusty grotto]

a lot of dungeons will have many butt pulls

not just pit

[daring marlin]

Especially if you invite dev dhs

[grand kite]

is there a spell reflect sheet this season? checked all over but can't find one

[lofty warren]

I don't want to do seat of triumph that one sucks

[undone beacon]

maxroll.gg

[daring marlin]

bring a paladin

freedom owns for chain mobs

[lusty grotto]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-reflect-guide

at least at the moment

[lofty warren]

Calling it now. Magistrate Terrance is going to be as hated as kings row from bfa

[drowsy comet]

t11 delves with randoms is something... fucking christ

[fluid widget]

Why??

[solid sun]

Magistrate Terrance

[fluid widget]

I love magister’s

[drowsy comet]

one of the easiest dungeons in the pool

[drowsy comet]

dont mock him

[solid sun]

You’re one of the easiest dungeons in the pool

[fluid widget]

I think skyreach is going to be hated

[solid sun]

Gottem

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-awesome-gif-14611487

[daring marlin]

Kings' Rest is goated wtf do you mean

[solid sun]

Specifically Kings Rest was awesome with the seasonal affix where you could portal skip stuff

[drowsy comet]

your mom

[lofty warren]

I get super fps when I have to deal with all the voice trash on 3rd boss. 1st boss gonna knock ppl into trash. Dungeon takes forever bc of the amount of trash and bosses.

[drowsy comet]

low damage - skill issue of DPS

[daring marlin]

Thought of you there 😂

[lofty warren]

There's a reason kings rest was never brought back? Same witg shrine of the storm

[solid sun]

Shrine should have been brought back

[lofty warren]

I guess i can only speculate based on my experience maybe in keys it'll be better

[torn gulch]

fortified shadow of zul oh my god

plus first and third boss

absolute cinema

[dusky canopy]

First time I got Nim with that was the best

[lofty warren]

As bdk in a +21 id run up to the random enemy mobs in the room after boss 1 without resources and he would 1 shot me. Bs

[dusky canopy]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[torn gulch]

i mean shrine is omega pwar dungeon

[solid sun]

Shrine is sick

Idc

Love it

[torn gulch]

reflect goes brrrr

[plush tendon]

I want more Wrath and some BC dungeons to become M+

and maybe even some classic

[lofty warren]

Having to death skip up yo 3rd boss and then even worse if some mess it up

[plush tendon]

[coarse bay]

Magisters terrace will be the new dawnbreaker

With the bugs

The z axis at the end

[dusky canopy]

Imagine brd mega dungeon

[coarse bay]

Is bad

[dusky canopy]

Sign me uppp

[lofty warren]

Tol dagor where all mobs get aggrod and come and kill you

[plush tendon]

a remake of Scarlet Monestary M+

would be sik

[daring marlin]

which?

[plush tendon]

could have two wings

[solid sun]

If they did BRD as an m+ would they split it up into two

[daring marlin]

I hope they add shadow lab

[plush tendon]

I hate Slabs

[daring marlin]

or arcatrqz

[daring marlin]

exactly

[plush tendon]

but im a big fan of Shattered Halls

[daring marlin]

Shattered Halls is fun with our kits now

Tab cleaving as a prot warrior was not it in BC

[plush tendon]

its fun when I do it on TBC

[daring marlin]

I hated that

[plush tendon]

but Im playing a Prot Paladin

cause Prot War stinky

[lusty grotto]

classic talk

[coarse bay]

[maiden quiver]

The Nexus wouldnt be a bad M+ but it is one of the least interesting options in WotLK

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-2

[plush tendon]

you just mad that my Ret Paladin got Gorehowl last night

[daring marlin]

I'm talking about nearly 20 years ago when I did it

[lofty warren]

Heard they gonna being back sanguine depths but this time the 1st boss is gonna be even more annoying

[daring marlin]

smh

[lusty grotto]

i know

[solid sun]

I want them to do violet hold as an m+ dungeon

[plush tendon]

20 years ago I couldnt even make it out of Durotar

XD

[daring marlin]

augusto you better be wearing pink irl too

Or you're not a true crusader of the light

[lusty grotto]

i know its classic talk because someone is talking about the dungeons like they were fun when people were even dumber than now

oh yeah Shattered Halls, with idiots that couldnt bind abilities

super fun

[daring marlin]

hence me saying imagine shadow lab m+

[solid sun]

Nim don’t be mad

[lofty warren]

In nexus point midnight dungeon, when you are fighting the boss on the right and he goes to pee in a line. What are you supposed to do?

[solid sun]

Skyhold is cooking

[lusty grotto]

what?

[fluid widget]

That’s oculus

[plush tendon]

no

but the paladin dream is already over in Midnight

got asked to swap to Blood

[daring marlin]

rip

[lusty grotto]

oof

[daring marlin]

NOT LIKE THIS

[solid sun]

Did you respectfully decline the request

[lofty warren]

Not sure his name. But what are you supposed to do when he flashes with his yellow light

[plush tendon]

No

but this is the curse of BDK players.... the last boss of the raid always wants one

[solid sun]

Why can’t you just have more unholy dks

Aren’t they cracked

[plush tendon]

so far, they appear meh

[fluid widget]

Avoid the charge and then stand in it for more damage

[plush tendon]

I dont think the raid fights suit unholy all that well

could be totally off, but thats what Ive seen

[lusty grotto]

soak it, it gives a 300% dmg amp when you do

[lofty warren]

Thx

[fluid widget]

You confuse me pepega

[harsh ermine]

guys. Can it be that prot warrior is a bit behind in damage?
A buddy is pulling ~150-200k dps in m0 on trash packs (prot pal with wings etc.)
values where I can't even get close to.

[undone beacon]

pepega is a wow discord cryptid

[solid sun]

Pepega is an advanced troll cyborg

[undone beacon]

ppal does big damage in aoe, and pretty dogshit in st

[plush tendon]

Prot Pal feels amazing in aoe

wings, divine toll, hammers

[lusty grotto]

it also depends on gear

[plush tendon]

big dammies

[lusty grotto]

specifically weapon ilvl

[plush tendon]

but then you also take big dammies and die

[lusty grotto]

and tier

[grand kite]

cool, thanks, I thought that there was a reflectable cast on Chimaerus, but it is not listed there... oh well will try it out

[lusty grotto]

yeah i have a reflect on it too

[bronze wraith]

I got past ticks and now the spell caster just has too much health. I do 0 damage

[daring marlin]

bdk good in nightrift too

[lusty grotto]

but not sure how to get in contact with wolfdisco, Jakey knows

[harsh ermine]

he is very squishy, like on vorasius Hc, he needs a cd or an external for every buddle.
I don't really care about the bubbles, ignore pain & shield block are more than enough for the fight for me

[daring marlin]

surely good in next raid too

[undone beacon]

whats your gear and overall like?

[daring marlin]

poor augusto

[lusty grotto]

ignore him, focus boss, use drums

[daring marlin]

stuck in bdk hell

[bronze wraith]

252 with hero weapon. I jave the damage scale trinket and the vers trinket from world boss

I do like 25k damage

[plush tendon]

Stuck playing BDK, all because when I made my first DK 16 years ago, I thought Veteran of the Third War was cool so chose to level as blood

[undone beacon]

ok you have more than enough gear to kill it

I did it at 242 lol

[lusty grotto]

more than enough

[daring marlin]

hey me too back thrn lol

[lusty grotto]

thats like 20 more ilvls than what i had

[daring marlin]

I think I did Null at 242 on my pally

kinda sucked

[lusty grotto]

i was 236

[plush tendon]

?? on Paladin was awful

[daring marlin]

Warrior

[lusty grotto]

and with an adventurer weapon

[plush tendon]

I actually speced into Sent

[daring marlin]

f u bro

[undone beacon]

I was world #141 for the ?? kill heheheh

[bronze wraith]

How should I have Valeria set up?

[lusty grotto]

healer

[bronze wraith]

Mine is level 26

[lusty grotto]

healer

[plush tendon]

War I did while drinking tea

[undone beacon]

If you're dying, healer with dagger tip and voidspire

[bronze wraith]

I even bought flakes and oil

[daring marlin]

bring drums for last 25% and nuke that goober

[lusty grotto]

mantle of stars is a good pick for mit, but since youre saying damage just keep porcelain

if youre not dying

just swap her to dps

with those same abilities

[plush tendon]

this one line of text baited me so hard

[daring marlin]

dude blood was so fucking cool

Diseaseless DPS blood too

[plush tendon]

I was garbage at the game

[daring marlin]

We all were

😉

[plush tendon]

I leveled as blood cause I realized I didnt need to heal when questing

[lusty grotto]

speak for yourself

[plush tendon]

and I was like 'damn, frost is awful! I take damage'

[lusty grotto]

tbc was peak nimchip, gladiator earning god tank

[lofty warren]

On first raid boss do you have fps issues? I was dropping to 10ish fps in a raid of 20ish ppl with all the bs stuff going out

[daring marlin]

calm down buddy you're giving uncle rico vibes

[ebon geyser]

I did this for the ticks

[lusty grotto]

yeah there are some fps issues, just lower view distance, environmental detail and ground clutter to 1

[lusty grotto]

PEAK

[daring marlin]

LMFAO

[daring marlin]

I wonder who will even get my reference

we're old dude

[plush tendon]

yea, that reference flew over the mountain

[undone beacon]

rico is a penguin from Madagascar

[plush tendon]

[daring marlin]

yeah cuz I yeeted it

just like his football

[lofty warren]

Are the fps issues from boss 1 the same as from myrhic sire denathrium p1 where server lag bc he could spawn 100 bs things and make 1000 textures in 0.1 seconds?

10 yes later. Still same problems

[undone beacon]

mythic sire was not 10 years ago bb

[solid sun]

Yeah but bfa was 8

Dadgum

Illegal factoid brought to us by our friend from the coven

[lusty grotto]

no that was due to elvui

[lofty warren]

Sire or thos current boss?

[lusty grotto]

just dont join raids with 30 people and youll be fine

sire

was

i did say was not is

[outer willow]

How old are we

Surely we’re all still young lads right

🥲

[lusty grotto]

in our minds

[outer willow]

I’ll stop playing video games when my daughter beats me at smash.

That’s where I draw the line

[lofty warren]

If you limit your environment distance then how do you play tic tax toes correctly? Spin your camera around and see through the purple background on purple floor for the correct thing?

[solid sun]

You know that’s the first time I was absolutely clueless what was happening in a fight. I just followed everyone. Very glad I wasn’t tanking it

[lusty grotto]

err sorry, it only affects you past the boss' arena

[sand condor]

i get called ol by my uni classmates, young by my guild

wtf am i

[sharp gale]

Middle> corner> side

[lusty grotto]

i just have mine at 3 cause im an fps nerd

[lofty warren]

Omg how do you see anything if ur capped at 3 fps

[lusty grotto]

wat

[pastel willow]

hello, Which embellishment do Prot Warriors use?

[lusty grotto]

hunt

[lofty warren]

"i just have mine at 3 cause im an fps nerd"

[pastel willow]

hunt and? or 2 hunts o.o

[lusty grotto]

check the icy veins guide

[pastel willow]

ty

[lusty grotto]

?????

do you really think i would have fps capped at 3 if im an fps nerd?

[lofty warren]

I'll need to check and change those settings. If 3 is good fps why not set it to 1 for even gooder fps?

[toxic pewter]

I am veteren of third war myself.. everyday it is a war out here in these pugs

complete and total warzone

[lusty grotto]

because i do outdoor content

and i CBA to change it manually every time

[undone beacon]

i think theres a WA for that

oh wait

[lusty grotto]

yeah i used it, i looked for an addon that does it but i havent found one yet

[undone beacon]

time to get vibe coding

[daring marlin]

shut up

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[daring marlin]

This was so stupid but I laughed at it anyway

lmfao

[lofty warren]

What would the addon do? Change in game settings based on how much bs a specific boss is going tp spew out?

[toxic pewter]

GOT EM

[undone beacon]

You could set it up to change settings based on zones you were in

[daring marlin]

Considering trying dragon heroic pug again but eh

[undone beacon]

reduce in raid etc

[daring marlin]

people are so stupid about the breath lol

[lofty warren]

I swear I saw that config. Is that not availae in game

[toxic pewter]

dude i just left a heroic raid im trying to get my parses better and a balance druid did 27k dps

[sharp gale]

im a default 5, i'll try 3 tonight

[daring marlin]

many such cases

[solid sun]

Just put markers down in a circle. Works every time

[toxic pewter]

its really rough out here

[undone beacon]

i love waiting 15 minutes to get one pull where some fuckin mage stands in the middle with breath, fears everyone, and half the people leave so we wait another 15 mins to refill and pull again

[solid sun]

APB shut up I do 27k dps

I’m coming back

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[solid sun]

I’m doing the mechanics and not dying!

[bronze wraith]

Was that dps increase we were supposed to get go live tomorrow?

[toxic pewter]

yeah but youre also not 254 ilvl rhino

(probably)

[lusty grotto]

it went live last tuesday

[undone beacon]

we already got a buff last reset. No buff tomorrow

[bronze wraith]

Well fuck XD

[undone beacon]

We're in a fine spot though

[solid sun]

Edwin manifesting another buff

I see you working

[lusty grotto]

sounds like skill issue to me

[toxic pewter]

Yeah honestly we are in a solid spot

[daring marlin]

my hair is crazy today

damn

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[bronze wraith]

It probably is

[undone beacon]

I did ?? nullaeus with a level 16 heal valeera, 242 ilvl, no enchants, and r1 consumes

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS > TC > Rev(non-ST)/exe(ST)

hit your cds, avatar + demo + SC on cd

and wrecking throw of course

[undone beacon]

wrecking throw doesnt int the boss tho keep that in mind

[cold pilot]

Should I hold heroic crests for next week or crank them into my heroic track tier pants and chest?

[lofty warren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/naowhqol

I have this naowhqol turned on and even with all its "performance optimizations" I still got 10 fps boss 1

[cold pilot]

pants and chest are bis after all

[lusty grotto]

are they 3/6?

[plush tendon]

I sent my hero crests on 2/6 hero tier pieces

[cold pilot]

I think so

I'll check in a second

[lusty grotto]

Mr Larias recommends the following:

[lusty grotto]

dont join 30 man raids

[undone beacon]

more like mr hairy ass gottem

sorry lari

[lofty warren]

Why does naowh have a qol addon but it isnt included in have ui pack

[lusty grotto]

it is included in the ui pack

[solid sun]

How relevant is larias’ guide to non-mythic raiders

[lusty grotto]

its relevant, up to where it isnt

[plush tendon]

I just gear off vibes

[lusty grotto]

the crest saves are good for everyone

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

It still lays out good guidelines, just might not be 100% applicable for every section of it

[next copper]

Not much you can do in-game if your CPU is weak. Upscaling was still broken and hurt FPS last I checked, too. Otherwise, view distance, liquid detail, and ray tracing (or shadows on higher settings) have the largest individual impacts. Sometimes environment detail and particle effects can.

[solid sun]

I would assume I will receive mythic items less frequently than a mythic raider, so I’m wondering how important it is not not upgrade items less than 3/6 heroic

[undone beacon]

I got chided for not crafting with my hero crests, clearly most of my guild didn't look at the Larias guide

[lofty warren]

I'll have to dig. I have a ryzen 7 pro max or whatever its called. It was really good back in like 2018

[lusty grotto]

the only setting you need for raids is Particle Density = Ultra + Projected Textures = Enabled

[plush tendon]

reality is, if you make a slight mistake on gearing this week

[lusty grotto]

everything else you can dunk in low

dont join 30 man raids

[plush tendon]

you might be behind like a little bit later, but its not a huge deal

[next copper]

I had an i7-8700k up until mythic Nymue. 24 FPS in raids.

[lofty warren]

Is there a link to larias guide?

[plush tendon]

I bet in 3 weeks we wont even give a toot about hero crests

[lusty grotto]

we wont

but its a necessity given crest caps

just a bad side effect of it

at least for people doing myth and pushing keys, rest can just do it if they want but no reason not to optimize

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-turtle-gif-24074451

[lofty warren]

What do you have now

Nimchomp can you give ss or ui? I think ur using the nao wh one right? I imported kira but got bunch of porbl3ms

[daring marlin]

I gotta get a new mouse ring addon

[lofty warren]

Why are the cds at the bottom so far down

[lusty grotto]

because its utility

wall, avatar and demo are in the middle cdm

[lofty warren]

Can you see how many stacks other tank has and are there any functioning audio alerts? Just those 2 alone and I'll probably switch over.

[calm tulip]

Do we know the chance for tier out of the vault? Is it the same for raid/dungeon/world slots?

[daring marlin]

yeah bro 50/50

[solid sun]

lol

[daring marlin]

you get it or you don't

[solid sun]

Did you carry the one

Guilford got his protractor and abacus out to do the math between sets

[lofty warren]

What happened to "bear massive nerf bear dead"

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[lusty grotto]

no, that is why you do all 8 bountiful delves, and raid

[daring marlin]

kinda glad I like delves

still wish prey had a harder mode that gave better gear

[solid sun]

It’s better than not liking them

Let me tell you a couple of my friends I don’t even know why they play

[undone beacon]

nightmare+, like M+

[daring marlin]

Hate everything?

[solid sun]

Yeah dude

[daring marlin]

Hell mode. Diablo style.

[lusty grotto]

i dont like delves 🤷‍♂️

[daring marlin]

😎

[solid sun]

Oh delves are so boring oh raids are so annoying oh m+ is too hard

Pack it up it’s time for a new game

[lofty warren]

Fellowship

[undone beacon]

Deadlock

[daring marlin]

moba 🔫

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/warden-warden-deadlock-deadlock-rabbit-rabbit-chewing-gif-11244860252969582965

[ebon geyser]

I like delves. Well liked. I love raids well liked.....

Sorry im in depressium

[sharp gale]

Pug raid is depressium guaranteed no refund

[lusty grotto]

i like how pvpers in my realm spam for pvp crafts every minute but you tell them "hey i could craft it if the pattern wasnt 100k, maybe you could buy it with the honor you have" and they just keep spamming

[lament osprey]

Valeera so hot and powerful.

[sharp gale]

the purple craft is 289 in pvp

with those

[lime spruce]

I can’t bring myself to do them this expansion

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[undone beacon]

sold a hero belt boe for 400k

right before they dropped in price further

[lusty grotto]

as you should

[next copper]

7800X3D. Lol Didn't feel like it helped on Mythic Ovi'nax, though. Still hit 35 FPS lows on that one, and Queen was really bad, too.

[lofty warren]

M+ best dungeons season when?
Maw of souls, freehold, that legion one they brought back in df s3 with the bats, atal de azar, arak spiders, eco domed, iron docks

[undone beacon]

maw wasnt really a good dungeon it was just short and easy to spam for AP

[tribal wharf]

waycrest manor for me

[daring marlin]

It's exhilarating

[solid sun]

A lot of people just think good means easy

[lofty warren]

Short and easy is what makes it a goat dungeon

[daring marlin]

maw was trash

Everything up to and including Ymiron was fun

especially reflecting him

the rest sucked

[undone beacon]

its a hot take but i want halls of infusion back JUST FOR LAST BOSS SPELL REFLECT

[tribal wharf]

i like halls of valor too

[undone beacon]

rest of the dungeon is butts

but man reflecting the tank beam was so cool

[daring marlin]

based

[mighty valley]

pepega have you considered getting into m+ blocks game

[lofty warren]

Would you rather do a maw of souls or spend 1 hour in halls of valor (the one with the long ass rp on last boss)

[daring marlin]

LMFAOOOOO

[solid sun]

Holyyyyyyyyyy loooooooooooool

[undone beacon]

LF DPS +15 Triangle Blocks resil

[rigid yew]

General question to all: What client are you using to manage your addons?

[lofty warren]

I already tried and mastered the shapes at the age of 20. No ne3d to revisit

[undone beacon]

Curseforge

[solid sun]

Wago

[lusty grotto]

WowUp

[solid sun]

Three different people three different answers

[undone beacon]

Seems like its dealers choice

I use curseforge because it also manages my stardew valley and minecraft mods lol

[lusty grotto]

curseforge does not update elvui

[undone beacon]

Oh i also dont use elvui

[lusty grotto]

unless its the wago curseforge

[undone beacon]

elvui stinky

[lofty warren]

I have wowup, curforge, and wago. I'll go and refresh/update all in one and then when I go other of the other ones I'll refresh and then different addons will show up as available for update that weren't on first one. Its a disaster

[lusty grotto]

use one

not all of them

[lofty warren]

Which one can update all

[lusty grotto]

wowup

or wago

[tribal wharf]

curseforge is the coca-cola

[opal ledge]

just found out that you can save a lot of gold if you are a blacksmith with this:

[viscid rivet]

do ya'll use thane in delves ?

[tribal wharf]

if you fill out armor and weaponsmith you can repair all slots for free

with purple version of t his

[opal ledge]

yes but take ALOT of kownledge points, will take months

[tribal wharf]

i had it for dragonflight

knowledge is just do your patron orders daily

[opal ledge]

a item to repair can go from 100-200 gold
the hammer cost 10 gold ea

[pliant cedar]

looking for a talent build for level 83 that has as many cc's/interrupts and as much utility as possible. it's ok if it loses some damage to accomplish it.

[paper coral]

Can I ask why you're looking for that for specifically 83?

[pliant cedar]

bc i'm doing dungeons atm and am tired of people not doing the mechs lol

haven't hit 90 yet

[paper coral]

I mean, I do dungeons as I level and I just kind of pull a bunch of mobs and kill them. My health doesnt move really and things die.

[lament osprey]

Have you tried ping or marking with skull?

[pliant cedar]

true. i think it would be fun to have crazy utility/cc though. not necessarily looking for anything optimal. just looking for fun for me.

can anyone help with that?

[pearl ravine]

you have to remember a lot of ppl in non mythic content use 1 button rota so u cant expect too much 😛

[paper coral]

I mean, if you have stormbolt/shockwave/interrupts, etc I think you're pretty locked in but I really just focus on leveling. You can level pretty quickly.

[paper coral]

Look apparnetly some classes can beat ?? Nullaeus with one button rotation lmao.

[pearl ravine]

you can play warlock with pretty much like 5~ dps difference over manual

5%*

[paper coral]

thats hilrious.

[pliant cedar]

i'm not struggling. i'm just wondering if anyone has a build i can test since i haven't learned every talent yet. this is purely for fun bc i like the idea of optimizing cc/utility/interrupts etc

[undone beacon]

Theres not really a lot of flexibility in prot builds so

[pearl ravine]

honestly just follow the talent bis guide, there is no point speccing into some meme builds

[pliant cedar]

it's mainly for content i consider trivial

[paper coral]

yeah the amount of time one could spend making up a funny interrupt/CC build you could be hitting 90 and rolling over everything

[pliant cedar]

guess i'll figure it out on my own lol

[undone beacon]

Even then, theres not really a funny interrupt/CC build

[pliant cedar]

not funny

fun

[pearl ravine]

dont think u can squeeze out anything else from warrior cc wise

[undone beacon]

My point is, theres not a lot, especially at 83, that you can even move around

If you want to CC max, you take Shockwave + Rumbling, Intim Shout, Storm Bolt, Jav, Champ spear out of main tree

But Champ Spear is not good for prot

The MT dungeon build basically takes all the CC you can anyways

Really the only builds that you could theoretically swap into are self-heal and bleed/execute builds but both of those are hard inting

[opal ledge]

self heal is cool

[undone beacon]

I mean its cool in concept but in execution is terribly lackluster compared to putting those points into useful things like CC

[opal ledge]

this is what i use when i want self heal

[undone beacon]

There are a lot of things in this build that make me sad but you do you boo

[opal ledge]

but i usually drop intervene for something else

[paper coral]

I mean, if its kind of a meme build for self healing, its fine.

[undone beacon]

Doesnt mean im not sad to see it

[opal ledge]

what makes u sad

[plush tendon]

no doubletime makes me sad

no improved leap another sad

no ravager super sad

[undone beacon]

0% mobility prot warrior

[opal ledge]

i usually drop intervene and get doubletime or improved leap.
(i get intervene for pit of sauran if i'm with a dps in a call and can intervene the boss fixate)

ravager is kinda sad

[undone beacon]

Alright heres the meme build
Turbo-chud self-heal bleed/execute apexless colossus bruiser

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[undone beacon]

You just wait jakey this is rwf material

[lusty grotto]

you already have max interrupts + stuns with the recommended dungeon build

fear, javelineer, disrupting, stormbolt, shockwave

[undone beacon]

They're level 83, they have some time yet to go

[lusty grotto]

you have it all

at 83 they can have it all

also not having whirling blade is a really bad take

not for the person asking for max utility

[opal ledge]

double time vs improved leap
if u can pick only 1

[jagged pier]

u have both

there is no u can only pick 1

[daring marlin]

LMAOOOOO

[opal ledge]

i'm asking if you could pick only one.

[undone beacon]

jakey a hater im in the kitchen makin a Michelin man meal

[lusty grotto]

the answer is no

pick both

what is second wind even doing for you

youre a prot warrior, there are infinitely small situations where you dont take damage (i.e. parry)

you always take damage while blocking

[opal ledge]

2% health every sec is a lot for prot, it's fun to solo bosses

[lusty grotto]

okay

im not gonna argue

[opal ledge]

but i'm not arguing it's good.
i just made a question, between improved leap and double time, what would be better?

if blizz put this as a choice node, what would you picj?

[lusty grotto]

but no whirling blade is very stupid

that is all

kinda seems like you dont want our feedback at this point so why answer

[daring marlin]

dude the first time I came back and saw whirling I was like "hey wtf is that" and "why is ravager not on my bar?"

[undone beacon]

Okay but if they put double time and improved leap on a choice node what would you take

[lusty grotto]

i take whirling blade

[undone beacon]

[celest notch]

improved leap. You have intervene, leap, and charge. 2 charges of charge isn't super necessary, imo

It may not be the most comfy, but it's doable

[jagged pier]

he has intervene

just drop that

[opal ledge]

i never wanted a feedback, i said it was a "self heal" fun build, because someone mentioned there was meme self heal builds.
i'm just curious on what would you pick between those 2 talents

[velvet epoch]

Method guide suggests Devouring Banding for weapon embellishment but wowhead recommends Hunt, anyone know what sort of difference we are talking about?

[lusty grotto]

check icy-veins instead

do not check either of the ones you listed

[velvet epoch]

Interesting okay, I thought a lot of the wowheads + icyveins writers were the same.

[lusty grotto]

ok gotcha

if its a meme build and you say you like to solo bosses, why would you want intervene

so drop that one instead

[lofty warren]

Is this the new streamer build?

[lusty grotto]

nobody to intervene if they are dead

[undone beacon]

Some are, ours are not

[opal ledge]

i sent this right after, i usually drop intervene.
i had intervene for a dungeon, was testing it in pits of saron

[lofty warren]

Why does the m+ talent set say to pick the run fast talent instead of fear?

[coarse bay]

Those are also something you sim, and at least for some other classes i play the differences between those wep embellishments is under 0.1%

[lusty grotto]

i play fear

[coarse bay]

The run fast talent nerf is wild

[lusty grotto]

you can play whichever pepega

[opal ledge]

run fast can help more than the fear in some situations.. but i usually go with the fear (it was good when it was at 30 sec cd)

[pliant cedar]

gonna level with this XD

[rugged spire]

Hello. Im bit of a beginner when it comes to prot warrior, can someone share their UI ? I've installed ElvUi and imported topicx profiles for addons and cmd , but as u can see it's looks a bit wierd. someone know how to fix this

[lusty grotto]

its better now cause its uncapped

it was not better on a 30s where you only feared 4 whole mobs

[lofty warren]

The fear now makes them stand in place instead of run and aggro everything right?

[coarse bay]

Youll probably need his edit mode profile as well if i were to guess

[lusty grotto]

no

[coarse bay]

If he has a discord you should get in there and ask

[lusty grotto]

they are 70% slowed but they still run

doesnt matter it breaks instantly

[lofty warren]

Well the fear breaks on damage still? Bc then it won't really matter

[lusty grotto]

mobs running from fear was never an issue in modern WoW

it does matter cause its a stop

actually i misread that

but yeah thats exactly what i said

[lofty warren]

Kinda like a jenk mass interrupt. But i assume it doesnt work on big beef mobs

[lusty grotto]

or undead

[lofty warren]

Plater has access to enemy mob type (undead, demon, etc.?)

[lusty grotto]

eyes do

[coarse bay]

It’s still very useful

[lofty warren]

Does platyornator?

[coarse bay]

No

[lusty grotto]

use eyes

[opal ledge]

hey is there other sims than raidbots?
i remember one that would let me pick itens and talents in a easier way, but i forgot the name

[lusty grotto]

no

[coarse bay]

I havent heard of one

Raidbots is the one that’s supported and worked on by everyone either way

[lofty warren]

If i had a nickel for the number of times I looked at a debuff picture and was like "yep thats a bleed" and then waist racial or times I look at mob and think "yep thats a demon" but its actually an undead. I would probably have a few hundred dollars idk I dont track it

[lusty grotto]

put mouse over

check tooltip

[drowsy comet]

just read

[coarse bay]

Literally just hit the button

What do you lose

[drowsy comet]

Just play the game

[coarse bay]

If youre in a dungeon with those mobs, putting it on cd wont matter

[lusty grotto]

basic default UI toooltip

no addons needed

[drowsy comet]

ElvUI chad

[lofty warren]

Undeads are Humanoid arent they

[lusty grotto]

no

[coarse bay]

Theyre undead

[lusty grotto]

it literally says undead if they are undead

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombies-pvz-zombie-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-gif-gif-8558923502871636224

[coarse bay]

Well acktually theyre forsaken

Oh wait thats prob different

[drowsy comet]

dont it make it complex

[lofty warren]

I'll be sure to hover over the specific mob in the pack of 10 that is casting and then read its mob type, make the decision, and then cast/nocaast fear appropriately

[coarse bay]

Just hit the button

[mighty valley]

pepega are you born fresh at the start of each m+ run and then die at the end

[lusty grotto]

or you could just

retain information

[mighty valley]

or can you like, learn things in advance, or remember things for next time

is that possible

[coarse bay]

We went over the same thing with spell reflect

[lofty warren]

Forsakens arent undead. Well they are but they arent

[drowsy comet]

Oh god the spell reflect

[drowsy comet]

Then why they look like undeads

[lofty warren]

Think enemy mobs don't get tagged as forsaken bc that is plauer race

[lusty grotto]

not surprising for the guy that asks for priority every single season tbh, the guy just doesnt have working memory

[drowsy comet]

Whats the meta yo

[lofty warren]

Well conceptually I don't necessarily like that the solution is "just memorize it bro" when I feel like its something that should be available at run time

[coarse bay]

Practice it

Do you refuse to play

Until youve read everything

[mighty valley]

there is so much information in the game, they can't put it all on the screen

do you want all spell tooltips that mobs could cast on screen at all times

[lusty grotto]

does it look like a skeleton? a ghost? a zombie? "ok let me check"

[mighty valley]

no, you gotta just learn the important casts and what they do

[lusty grotto]

we run the same key so many times, at some point you have to retain that information

[urban bane]

I'm seeing conflicting information about m+ crest rewards. Some places are saying +7 and above drop myth crests. Others say +9 and above. Anyone know for sure?

Could've sworn beta had +7 and above. But maybe I'm wrong.

[drowsy comet]

Make sure if it has a pulse

[pliant cedar]

In all seriousness.. I'm still learning prot. Can anyone explain why the meme build is bad?

[lusty grotto]

what meme build

and wouldnt you want to actually learn prot with the tools that are effective?

[coarse bay]

Ingame tooltip says +9 when you click on myth crests

[pliant cedar]

I like learning all aspects of a class

[urban bane]

that's the info i was lookin for, ty

[lofty warren]

I would like enemy mobs type available in the api so then platyournator can put a little undead icon on nameplate if its a caster and undead or its immune to war psycho scream

[mighty valley]

takes all the execute talents on the hero spec where execute is worst, doesn't take booming voice for some reason, doesn't take apex talents for some reason, takes spellbreaker over tough as nails, doesn't take armor for some reason, yadda yadda yadda

[coarse bay]

How about you untalent the ability

[lusty grotto]

first of all youre asking in Skyhold, we recommend optimal picks not meme half-assery

Second of all, using spear isnt really that hard, but also youre not talenting into one of the most powerful defensive talents: Stance Mastery

Third of all no pick there is different gameplay-wise that you would actually have to pick it to see a difference, youre just nerfing yourself

spellbreaker/hunker down provide no gameplay difference they are passive, and also they are bad

execute talents are lower dps, so they will yield lower threat

removing Deep Wounds, Massacre, Heavy Handed, Spear, and Spellbreaker will still leave you with maximum interrupts and utility

[pliant cedar]

Is there a way to tweak the icyveins m+ build to include champions spear and not be bad? I'd like to get used to using it.

[drowsy comet]

Yap Nim

[lusty grotto]

and the only difference in gameplay would be "using spear" which is literally the same as any ground targetted spell of any class

[lusty grotto]

no

the other talents are just so much more powerful

[mighty valley]

you could nerf yourself by 3% attack power and take it if you like

[lusty grotto]

well not just 3% AP

Rally/Intimidating shout also get their default power

[pliant cedar]

3% doesn't sound terrible if it's at least fun

[unreal yarrow]

Go for it. Let us know if you figure out a good use for it

[mighty valley]

idk, try it out if you want, but using spear as it is now is pretty weird

i just can't really see applications for the movement part of it outside of pvp

you don't usually want to root enemies away from you while gathering

[pliant cedar]

In reality should I just forget it exists?

[lusty grotto]

is warrior your first class?

[pliant cedar]

No

[lusty grotto]

have you played VDH

or BDK

or Frost Mage

[pliant cedar]

A bit in tww

[mighty valley]

i mean, if you're not doing any content that requires anything close to optimization, and you find spear fun to press, go for it

[frosty mango]

Leveling scaling is funny

[mighty valley]

it's just competing with better talents

[lusty grotto]

ok then if youve played BDK, its D&D

if youve played VDH, its sigils

if you've played any wizard, its a ground targetted spell

[frosty mango]

I pulled the entire Windrunner spire dungeon and took zero damage. I’m a god boys

Of course everyone else died but that’s a them problem

[lusty grotto]

whether it pulls back mobs or not, the gameplay is the same, you target the ground and shit happens

hell

just talent Ravager (instead of whirling blade)

and its the same

[pliant cedar]

Got it
I've been playing Brew this season and tried out Warrior and am considering switching tbh

[unreal yarrow]

D&d doesn't let you leap in to take backshots

[mighty valley]

the version of D&D that i play does

[pliant cedar]

My brew is 256 and has done almost all of the content, but I can already pull bigger with prot without stressing the healer out

[lusty grotto]

EK = ground targetted, youve already played ground targetted spells

[pliant cedar]

Kk

[lofty warren]

I checked with the addon ppl and they could show the enemy mob type icon on plater but they would have to show it for all types

[pliant cedar]

How is nullaeus ?? on prot?

[jagged pier]

a yoke

[lusty grotto]

but so is on brew

you just gotta play ox stance

🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i mean it is on a load of stff

[lusty grotto]

my brother hadnt played brew since legion and he literally picked up a build from Peak for it and kept ox stance up and did it

[pliant cedar]

I usually die on the second add phase bc i get overwhelmed. I'll keep trying...

Cleared it in a group just can't solo yet

[lofty warren]

You can do it in a group now i believe?

[pliant cedar]

You don't get the mount

[lusty grotto]

you always could pepega

you dont get the let me solo him achieve

or get in the fabled rankings when they were open

[lofty warren]

Ohh. Well for him you gotta save ur cds to kill the adds at every 25% hp and also kick and also dont stand in 💩

[pliant cedar]

Second add phase is my only issue

[plush tendon]

second add set does hurt a bit

[coarse bay]

If you only want the crests doing it in a group makes it even more of a joke than it already is

[plush tendon]

if stacks get too high

[pliant cedar]

I want the mount lol

[lofty warren]

Dwarf racial removes it.. or is it that you Shockwave to drop staxks.. one of the two

You can also wait a little until ur geared if you dont want a challenge

[solid sun]

Pepega how’s it coming with the rhombus shaped blocks

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

He’s concentrating

[daring marlin]

I always view that and delves as solo content I didn't even consider doing it in groups lmao

derp

[lusty grotto]

you can do delves in a group but it takes longer cause mobs just scale

🤷‍♂️

[solid sun]

Regular group delves are silly

Or regular delves in a group ig

Just making ‘em take longer

[lofty warren]

I was planning to get the fabled thing the morning after it opened but it filled up so I said fck it i can just easily get it without spending 15 minutes in a boss fight

[lusty grotto]

fabled has been closed

since wednesday

[plush tendon]

Delves are peak content

[lusty grotto]

you can still do the boss but you cant get into the rankings or get HoF

[plush tendon]

love delves

[solid sun]

You’re peak content

[plush tendon]

[daring marlin]

delves and prey are great additions

make 'em scale and give better rewards

gimme gimme

[plush tendon]

I agree

[solid sun]

Blood mage elf still hasn’t yelled at me

[coarse bay]

I do them because i’ll simply not play wow if im not playing with someone, they take ages and can suck though

[plush tendon]

I wish blizz was open to having a fail rate for solo content

but they seem pretty against making things like preys and delves failable

[solid sun]

I think blizzard is afraid of how the solo content gamers would receive that

[lofty warren]

You cant get good gear outside of myrhoc raid bc blizz scared that nobody would waist time in raid if it could realistically be acquires through other means

[solid sun]

I don’t think that’s true at all

[plush tendon]

yea, I dont agree with that

[solid sun]

There is plenty of good gear outside of raid

[plush tendon]

loot is literally showered on us in retail

[daring marlin]

????????? what are you even saying

[coarse bay]

Technically delves have a fail, if you run out of lives i think u get no loot. And nightmare prey would reset prog if u die but i think they removed that

[daring marlin]

they're adding voidforge too

[coarse bay]

I dont mythic raid on my tanks yet they end every season fully geared

[daring marlin]

crazy huh

[coarse bay]

It’s only like 1-2 weeks behind top raiders

[lofty warren]

In dragonflight s2 or s3 it was pretty easy tp get good ilvl right? Look at the myrhic raid participation those seasons.. if i recall they are quite lower

[round pendant]

it's still easy to get ilvl

cause vault gives the best gear in the game

[plush tendon]

this is true, but its tuned for you to succeed

[solid sun]

Dragonflight was 8 years ago

[plush tendon]

imagine if it wasnt

[daring marlin]

good evening yam

[round pendant]

don't scare me like that

[plush tendon]

[round pendant]

hi

[lofty warren]

Youre forced to play the vault lottery

[coarse bay]

Idk i at worst ended a season with some alts missing like 1-2 pieces, and thats why they have crafting

[daring marlin]

even hero gear upgrades super duper high ilvl

[coarse bay]

Mythic raiding is not a requirement

For anything

[daring marlin]

you're barely behind mythic raiders

[coarse bay]

I know a lot of title players that dont raid

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/head-explode-mind-blown-gif-11038567854390045170

[coarse bay]

By a lot i mean i know title players that know a lot of title players

[solid sun]

That’s because they game with you, Cam

[coarse bay]

No way

Im bad

[plush tendon]

tbf, a lot of title players will end up buying or getting carried on certain raid fights

[solid sun]

I bet Cam could beat Augusto in dps

[plush tendon]

to get a certain item

especially with dinars

[solid sun]

Because Augusto plays bdk now

:(

[coarse bay]

Bdk pumps aoe

[tribal wharf]

paladin lfr loot lol

[solid sun]

Walk the plank, yogi!

[plush tendon]

yea, BDK prob my raid main

[coarse bay]

Ya a lot of them do, but im not gonna give pepega more ammo

[plush tendon]

but I play the plate trifecta

[daring marlin]

I got that on my pally now I need it on my lock

[plush tendon]

Prot Pal, Prot War, BDK

[tribal wharf]

im playing him as ret with prot loot

[solid sun]

Is alnseer gonna end up a token target

If we get those again

[tribal wharf]

we are

i saw something about it

i gotta get my paladin a vault

[coarse bay]

We have like a bonus roll token but giga buffed compared to og reroll tokens

[solid sun]

I have to do three more +8 delves

[coarse bay]

And unless they nerf it more itll be bis for most specs

[solid sun]

I wish the reroll tokens awarded myth track items

So I can feel super powerful and mighty

[coarse bay]

You are powerful and mighty

Endangered rhinoceros

Strong

[tribal wharf]

i should have made a dh

[coarse bay]

More like dangerous rhino

[tribal wharf]

or druid

[solid sun]

So danger

[tribal wharf]

dont like paladin

[fringe mural]

it's also a cool eye

so cool

burning yellow

[ivory barn]

She finally be doing some damage

[maiden quiver]

How close are y'all to actually hitting the 1188 haste? Is it actually realistic this week? I am at 254 with haste on every item except 1 slot, gemmed, and enchanted, and with flask I'm still only at about 1050

[solid sun]

Man

[coarse bay]

She gigapumps if youre a healer

[ivory barn]

I have 590

[solid sun]

Are you rich

[fringe mural]

if you have that can you switch from itf or what is it for?

[coarse bay]

Will not happen in s1

Most likely

Idek if its a possibility, i think nim would know

[solid sun]

I can’t imagine enchanting and gemming this garage sale gear I have rn

I do instances on a budget

[maiden quiver]

I mean I'm using the slightly budget enchants so I'm missing a few points

[fringe mural]

be a jewelcrafter duh

[maiden quiver]

Yeah that's the number to switch to ITF

[fringe mural]

rgr

[fringe mural]

switch away from itf right?

so unless you have that you need the haste from itf

[coarse bay]

I mean if youre that close with full consumes current gear then it’s probably doable, im spewing nonsense

[maiden quiver]

No, if you have less haste than 1188 then you need HR for shield block uptime

[fringe mural]

gotcha

[ivory barn]

I also wonder if she is Ilvl based

[opal ledge]

what is the whirlwind blade uptime? 50%?

[maiden quiver]

It's 4ppm I'm pretty sure

[jagged pier]

its hasted

[jagged pier]

950 ish no buffs

[lofty warren]

Manaforge omega (when gearing via m+ is harder/slower), number of ce guids = 2576

Amirdrasil (easier to gear without myrhic raid), number of ce guilds = 1847

[coarse bay]

What does this have to do with a single thing

[opal ledge]

1188 is for shield block 100% uptime?

[jagged pier]

no

[lofty warren]

Still dont think that ease of getting good gear impact myrhoc raid population?

[coarse bay]

Mfo was one of the easiest ce’s, more guilds got it

Has nothing to do with m+ gear

Or undermine actually

[coarse bay]

It doesnt

Gearing outside of raid is easier than ever

All of tww it was incredibly easy to gear outside of raid

Idk why u think mfo was different

[lofty warren]

Liberation of undermine, when harder to gear non raiding, number ce = 2650

[waxen frigate]

Hi @jagged pier

[coarse bay]

Why do u think those seasons were harder to gear? They werent

[waxen frigate]

Debating with pepega is like fighting a concrete wall with a blow up bat

[opal ledge]

haranir + colossus + elixir of giant growth makes u really big xD

[paper coral]

in M0?

[lofty warren]

They were harder in relation to df. If I recall you could crests upgrade higher relative to mythic in df. Also crafted were closer to max ilvl

[fringe mural]

it is so you can swap to Into the Fray talent without losing 100% uptime

[coarse bay]

[fringe mural]

if i understood it correctly

[frosty mango]

Hell no in normal, I’m leveling. Only got a few hours a week to play

Don’t worry give me a month I’ll be pulling m0s

[lofty warren]

What? Is it not true?

[coarse bay]

Tww didnt require raid at all to gear

[lofty warren]

If you wanted bis and the best trinkets were in raid then yes. Also something with dh boots from s3

[mighty valley]

what's the number for aberrus

[coarse bay]

Did DF not have items in raid that were bis?

[lofty warren]

1967

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[mighty valley]

are you controlling for total sub numbers between df and tww

[waxen frigate]

How would you possibly do that

[lofty warren]

I would if I had those numbers?

[mighty valley]

yeah it seems basically impossible to attribute cause to anything if you don't know how many people total were raiding, right?

[coarse bay]

Number of ce guilds is not a useful metric when talking about raid and m+ gear

[maiden quiver]

Wtf are y'all even arguing about lol

[sick sentinel]

This is good, should be pinned or sumtin

[lofty warren]

Could probably take the # of keys timed above x threshold and the make a ratio of those runs to number of raid bosses in the later half of the raid. And then repeat for all tiers and see

[jagged pier]

chatting going on here

[coarse bay]

That has nothing to do with the gearing aspect, and if it did how can you prove it

[frosty mango]

Spend your time learning to play the game, which consequently will also gear you

There is no single piece of gear that makes or breaks your capability and there hasn’t been probably since the priest leggo belt in legion

The real bis is in your brain

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

I feel seen

[tribal wharf]

i wonder if i can throw my self into normal raid

fury

i'd probably not deal enough dps

[lusty grotto]

in lfr? i dont think dps matters lol

but didnt you say this same thing the past 2 days?

[tribal wharf]

normal lol

can u not read

[lusty grotto]

you would have been done by now if you just queue'd instead of asking yourself in here

well dps does matter in normal

[tribal wharf]

u tell me all the time i cant read

[lusty grotto]

so idk

[tribal wharf]

and no where i say lfr

i mean, about paladin

but thats done

i dont know what my dps was in LFR as WW on monk

but i was able to see my number on the dps

without enlarging that window

so WW is fun

all i had to do was set the one button rotation in a keybind i dont press, track it, and then just figure out when to hit what spell

whatever button it displays, i try to hit it

[fallow fern]

Question about execute.. when we are above 40 rage, will it always use 40 rage? Or does it randomly use between 20 and 40? Not that it matters just curious? 🤔

[tribal wharf]

psure if you have 40 rage, it will consume 40 rage

20 is the minimum rage needed to hit it

but the ability to hit it activates it when monster health hits range (below 20%, aka commonly called execute phase)

same for if you have 30 rage and hit execute, it will use 30 rage

[fallow fern]

So is it at all important to only hit when you will use the full 40 rage? Or this doesn't matter? Just use it only if SS and TC are on cd regardless of rage?

[tribal wharf]

hits for more dmg if you spend the full 40

[solar ginkgo]

Hey. This might be a stupid question. I main blood dk, but wondering if I should try out prot warrior. I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me how prot warrior compares to blood dk in terms of fun playing it.

Sorry if I am asking the wrong channel.

[mighty valley]

for the most part, people in the prot warrior channel find it more fun LOL

[tribal wharf]

greater focus on movement speed and helping the team besides obviously the shield.

[mighty valley]

we have more movement buttons than DK, but you'll miss grip

[toxic pewter]

There is just somehting about the pace of prot warrior that makes it fun even if we arent even tuned well

[tribal wharf]

predicts and prevents incoming damage as opposed to waiting for thing to happen and respond

[toxic pewter]

to me at least

[mighty valley]

we're also more about maintaining steady health than the bounce self-heal health bar of bdk

yeah you press many buttons as prot warrior

always be pressing, sometimes two at once

even if it has slowed down from its fastest

[tribal wharf]

SHIELD BLOCK, hit your shield block

all you need to know /s

[solar ginkgo]

Hmm. So more fast paced in most terms then? Press more buttons, maintain shield block and run/jump around?

I know people here would find prot warrior more fun then blood dk, but no point going to the dk discord and asking there.

[opal ledge]

what do i drop to play those 3?
they make thing so smooth x.x

[tribal wharf]

yes, but it takes a bit of getting used to

[mighty valley]

we'd have to see the rest of your tree to know what you can drop

[tribal wharf]

indom got a nerf at some point

[solar ginkgo]

I played some prot paladin and vengeance dh last expansion. I assume shield block functions similar to the paladin shield?

[tribal wharf]

and its no longer what it was

[opal ledge]

i dont like don't getting this
but i dont see other choice

[mighty valley]

i mean yeah, it looks like you've already made the best choice if you really really want indom

[tribal wharf]

shield block increases your shield slam (rage generator) dmg and gives DR with 4/4

[mighty valley]

i don't know the recent numbers on instigate vs bloodrage

[tribal wharf]

and makes any attack that can be blocked, blocked

[opal ledge]

something i'm like "what if i drop all the apex points"
the early builds with a single point there got me used to it

[tribal wharf]

so you dont really die to a group of melee bros jump you

[solar ginkgo]

I hope not when you place a big shield in front of you.

Does warrior still have spell reflect?

[opal ledge]

yes

we just lost spell block

[solar ginkgo]

Spell reflect is a lot of fun though. The few times I played prot last expansion that was one of my favourite abilities

[tribal wharf]

we have spell reflect, gives spell damage reduce even if cant reflect, shield wall

lesser extent ip def stance

[lusty grotto]

this is fine

[lofty warren]

Spell block requires too much niche knowledge but spell reflect is fine

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt drop instigate though (its higher rage intake than bloodsurge, bloodsurge is a 30% chance for 5 rage every 3 seconds while rend is ticking, and more rends does not increase it)

bloodsurge or TaN

are good picks

for scuffed indom

[tribal wharf]

i have forever given up on getting ppl to let me interrupt bolt

tehy just kick it anyways

[lusty grotto]

enduring alacrity for BSV is fine

[tribal wharf]

every fuckin time

[lofty warren]

Yea but if you dont have reflect they will always miss kick

[tribal wharf]

some groups in past i was able to get them into a quasi rotation me kick > them kick > me kick > repeat

getting them to do reflect rotation is pain in ass

usually if i can reflect succesfully it is type that i can solo it, as in , me kick,> me reflect > me kick > repeat

[toxic pewter]

which does morre dam single target TaN or bloodborne

[lusty grotto]

sim and youll see

[toxic pewter]

does tan even sim correctly

[jagged pier]

yes

[toxic pewter]

ok