protection

[tribal wharf]

i dont really care about falling behind

cuz final months you can reach "final form + endgame ilvl with all terts and all socketed, all enchanted and giga minmaxed"

and you, and your team is so strong, its, if your playing right, nothing can stop you

[sand condor]

Well god can

And with that i mean your game crashing

[tribal wharf]

you'll have to bear with me when keys llaunch, i dont have the foggiest what in the hell a i think its fortified keystone

i dont know what that crap is, only very vaugely

and then i guess they re-worked some of the difficulty levels? also i will need a spreadsheet of what key lvls drop what tier of gear (hero/myth from EOD, + vault requirements for same)

resiliant keystone, something about, i dunno, but ppl are, protective of it, is what i understand

my pc is so much stable that i never turn it off for any reason

use to be at least, would just leave it on for 2 months

[warm plinth]

How do you not know what a fortified keystone is? We've had those since keystones existed

It's a keystone with the fortified affix

[tribal wharf]

err, the resiliant, i think it is resiliant key they might be calling it now

it was some time in tww

[dusty orchid]

Resilient keys don't go down a level when you brick them
Ie you've timed all the seasons keys at +12 if you fuck up a +12 it doesnt drop below +12

[solid sun]

I don't believe i received the world tour quest on my second character

And I think I need it to receive the last spark I'm missing

Does anyone know what I can do to obtain that quest? I didn't do the campaign on this character

[sharp gale]

Lorthemar

You have to skip the campaign in the inn

[tribal wharf]

check your bags

there is a currency that tracks how many sparks you have gotten minus world tour

[solid sun]

I went to the inn in silvermoon and i don't see a dialogue option with her to skip it

[sharp gale]

Did you do the campaign on one character ?

Like did you missed a chapter or smth

[solid sun]

I think I finished the whole thing on my monk

[sharp gale]

It’s a woman hanging on a sofa in the inn next to the entrance, not the inn guy

[daring marlin]

Yogi has a lot of marl

dafuq

[tribal wharf]

eh, nothing leaked from 2nd mo nitor lol

god i love those types of racing games

ont he crt

from ps1 and ps2

holy shit do i ever love those games

[warm plinth]

If you hold alt while you press print screen, it'll only screenshot the active monitor, for future reference.

[tribal wharf]

when it comes to racing game i wont play it unless its on console with controller

only time i like controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg0fWTf9N7

hey sony

[sharp gale]

Souls game I have to use a controller

[solid sun]

Gotcha, Soridormi. Found her, ty

[tribal wharf]

re-make this god damn game, or microsoft

[sharp gale]

-> lorthemar give the world tour

[solid sun]

Yep just picked it up

[tribal wharf]

all of the zone world events that give a purple bag/box basically

"adventurers _____ box"

[lofty warren]

So in st ss > tb always?

[sharp gale]

I wonder if they will forget to NOT update the spark he gives in S2

[solid sun]

I don't speak in absolutes. All I can tell you is that the iv guide shows ss over tb in the priority list and i didn't read any mention of a time where that isn't true

That doesn't mean such a time doesn't exist. I just didn't see it mentioned in the guide anywhere

[dull urchin]

Hey guys, Im wondering on what to craft?

I have a fully upgraded shield + wep @ 263

Is it still belt + bracers? or is there a better combo? Going for arcanoweave + crit hast embellish

[solid sun]

I think generally we recommended waiting to craft until you have myth track crests

Then you'd be crafting a weapon first

Since you crafted already I'd probably just sim crafting an upgraded weapon vs crafting other items

[warm plinth]

Droptimizer is very useful for those decisions

[solid sun]

yeahhhhhh

[tribal wharf]

i saw a youtube shorts so i made a pwar meme about bsv about it

[daring marlin]

The more I pug dungeons on my warlock the more I realize I need to just always tank dungeons

[meager quail]

It took me from SL season 3 until TWW season 2 to finally accept that

[hard yoke]

I agree. "No one tanks like I do" is motto that I follow. I know there are exceptional tanks out there, but at my skill level, it hurts when the tank is pulling one group of mobs at a time in an m0.

[shut marsh]

should i use my hero crests if i get a set piece?

[hard yoke]

Larias' guide says no. You might get better gear next week that will be 3/6 Hero and you upgrade that with hero crests.

[shut marsh]

ah so if the set piece is at 3/6 i should upgrade it

[toxic pewter]

What level out of 6 is ur tier piece

[fallow fern]

Question about Eternal Voidsong Chain; is there a way warriors can trigger it? Or it's just bis for the stats?

[toxic pewter]

Certain trinkets do shadow damage

And even ring from nexus point xenas may also

Can’t remember

[fallow fern]

Hmm ok, but likely low priority to go to a warrior..?

That haste is nice tho

[ionic fern]

Hands can also deal shadow damage.

It has decent stats for us.

• the bonus effect if you can trigger it is just free additional value.

[tribal wharf]

RIP

no glove

no trinket

[paper coral]

wait that looks dope. what

[toxic pewter]

Yah I need those gloves forgot about those

[runic bolt]

so i just looted wep from HC and i crafted already

thats is full piss right?

[toxic pewter]

Just is what it is I also had that occur

That why many say to wait to craft

[daring marlin]

We're all gonna be trapped in Seat hell

[ionic fern]

If you crafted a weapon alread then swap it only for a fully upgraded mythic one.

[lament steeple]

I need the gloves and wrists from there I think

[runic bolt]

fully upgraded HC one u mean?

[ionic fern]

No.

[runic bolt]

yeah the wep is useless then i guess

[mighty valley]

it happens

[runic bolt]

what embelsh do we put on shield?

[ionic fern]

Our end embellishments should be Arcanoweave on Bracers/Back.

Weapon craft is just a "stepping stone" for a bigger power spike .

[warm plinth]

You're a bigger power spike

gottem

❤️

[ionic fern]

If only i was.

[urban vortex]

So I got a question - if I’m shield walling before a tank bleed goes out, will the resulting bleed do less damage?

On the other end, if I shield wall after the bleed goes out, will it also lessen the bleed damage?

[ionic fern]

It's dynamic.

The bleed will deal less damage as long as you have SW up.

[urban vortex]

As in, it works both ways?

[mighty valley]

It’s just… when the damage tick happens, it’s reduced by all the damage reduction you have active at that moment

It doesn’t care what was going on when the bleed was cast, that’s ancient history

Unless it’s specifically one of those tankbusters that applies a dot that’s relative to how big the initial hit was, they do those sometimes

[urban vortex]

Got it, thanks for clearing that up dudes

[tribal wharf]

group i had deleted that spire, ran whole thing in 17 minutes

[toxic pewter]

You talkin about voidspire raid?

[tribal wharf]

dungeon

i wish raid take 17 minutes

[toxic pewter]

Ohh was gonna say lol yah that would be wild fast for raid

[tribal wharf]

i run that dungeon every day tho

mount

[harsh trellis]

What seems to be the best build for the ?? Delve boss. I keep getting to 5% and I dont have the dmg to kill the add and the boss.

should I be colossus instead of thane?

[frail sphinx]

Hello ! I got a question about the crafted items, if we wanna get an embelish, what's the best piece to put it on? Depending on the websites I see different slots. Boots? Wrists? Waist?

[ionic fern]

No.

[ionic fern]

Any low budget item.
I'd suggest Back + Wrists.

[ionic fern]

What build are you using?

[daring marlin]

Imagine not getting the mount on your first run

[ionic fern]

Drop Bloodsurge for another damage talent.

[drowsy comet]

what does 2/2/14 mean in raid groups?

[ionic fern]

2 tanks 2 healers 14 dps.

[drowsy comet]

2 healers? lmao good luck

[undone beacon]

Boss ramps in damage after third intermission. Save lust for after intermission

Also hello Mwahi my beloved how are you today

[harsh trellis]

oh im not even using lust

[harsh trellis]

Ill try that

[undone beacon]

List and consumes make a difference, especially when you’re that close. Void-touched drums aren’t that expensive

[harsh trellis]

Ill pick those up, thanks for the item name also

[ionic fern]

Doing good, leveling shammy

you?

[undone beacon]

I’m alright. Taking a WoW break today to temper myself since it’s still early season. But at some point gotta finish delving on the priest

What spec you plan on playing?

[ionic fern]

Why you delving?

Going to be a Resto, always want to have a tank and a healer both.

[ivory barn]

Tuesday is fixing to be great, prot war keys

Did an 11 delve last night and Valeera was casually doing 70k DPS, like wtf

[undone beacon]

I need those vault slots to give me tier because no cloth drops ever

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

yeah my valeera as healer was doing 75k lol

like wat

[fluid widget]

Valeera pumps it’s great

[ember flicker]

Is the required haste for running Into the Fray with 100% SB uptime still 1188 rating? And can you use flask to reach that rating?

[lusty grotto]

yes to the first

as for the flask question: if you can make it work for SB uptime with ITF then go for it

its can either go lower or higher depending on how well you manage

also remember it assumes full stacks, so fights like twin dragons are a no no for ITF

[dusky canopy]

Veleera as healer with a tank and a couple dps

Ez mode ?? Boss

[lusty grotto]

and just about any fights (which there are a few) that do not have people or mobs close to you

[lament steeple]

I only just now realized how far under the haste min I am, time to go suffer more M0

[eager cargo]

whats the haste min

[lament steeple]

for running ITF

[lusty grotto]

you use HR until you have 1188 haste rating

and then you swap to ITF

[lament steeple]

which is why I want more haste because ITF is better if I can take it

[lusty grotto]

if thats your question, george

that's the tl;dr

[ember flicker]

Ok good to know! So with 1188 rating, 4 stack of itf and using shield charge on CD, I should achieve 100% SB uptime in theory

[lusty grotto]

effective uptime yea

there will be gaps if you missplay

[dusky canopy]

Perma HR because ez mode

[arctic citrus]

hi gang! Should i use crit/haste missive for both blade and shield?

[dusky canopy]

I would

[drowsy comet]

havent even done any raid this week yet, but rn with randoms..its fucking cancer wth

[dusky canopy]

Yes dragons hard walls

[ember flicker]

I assume by effective uptime, you are talking for raid boss? Is it viable to run ITF in keys if there is gaps even at that haste level?

[dusky canopy]

Effective means block is always active when you’re being attacked by melees

[lusty grotto]

yeah its defined there

the same rules apply for keys

except on bosses you will almost always be at full stacks

[ember flicker]

So in keys? What do I do when I’m about to run out of SB uptime during trash mobs? I kite for a few second? (Im new to prot warr)

[lusty grotto]

do note "high keys" and gaps are deadly, and by high keys i mean whatever is defined by the current ilvl

you can yes

super scuffed but that and stuns are the only answer

just better to play HR until youre at a comfortable level

[ember flicker]

Ok ty for the infos!

[arctic citrus]

another quesiton 😢 for embelishment i should go darkmoon sigil: hunt and arcanoweave lininng aye?

[lusty grotto]

sure

or whatever sims best

i believe those two are the higher simming ones

just keep in mind, that when you replace with myth tracks, you will need to embelish other stuff

[arctic citrus]

yea as i will craft both shield and main hand i will have slots taken up to next expansion iguesss

unless something bad happen

like shadowlands 2.0 xD

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

not until next expansion

until you get myth tracks

this season

if you do not get myth tracks, sure but you'd be incredibly unlucky

[arctic citrus]

i have luck for trinkets and share them with my gang

weapon wise

i am unlucky xD

[lusty grotto]

i feel ya

just important to always note Myth track weapons and shields are better than crafted, you craft now to get a boost in power

[tribal wharf]

they fixed the 20 veteran crests from end of seat, you were able to loot the boso and treasure for x10

now you can only loot the chest

[arctic citrus]

noted, thanks!

[mild river]

How's our aoe dps compared to other tanks?

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wayne's-world-wayne-thimbs-up-ok-well-done-gif-15694288732343736292

[lusty grotto]

equivalent

[tribal wharf]

champion occlusion

probably try to only use that set if i can

long as i can

[autumn roost]

Ye do it once for now, I'll have full advice tonight

[ivory barn]

All I wanna do is clap

[tribal wharf]

both trinket same run

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[lament steeple]

improved my dps by over 10k by simply not never pressing avatar

wow

and hitting rev less

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[delicate bay]

What is our dps rotation ? shield slam into thunder clap ? that's all ?

[ionic fern]

Pretty much.

Depends on how deep you want to go.

[daring marlin]

More class tuning the 24th and no new Arms changes @dusky canopy how you feeling bro

[mighty valley]

all CDs on CD, fill every other gcd with ss > tc > revenge, never overcap rage

is the basics

[delicate bay]

my rotation is kinda shield slam on cd, thunder clap on cd

and then revenge spam

[coarse bay]

Revenge is really only used when shield slam and thunderclap arent available

Otherwise our primary spender of rage at 70+ to avoid overcap is ignore pain

Which is ogcd

[fiery spindle]

wait really? or is this part a meme and i'm dented

[coarse bay]

Was worded oddly

They mean they werent hitting it

[fiery spindle]

oh

[coarse bay]

And when they did it was good

[fiery spindle]

not never pressing avatar

as in pressing it

[coarse bay]

Ya lmao

[fiery spindle]

big brain

[coarse bay]

Im assuming so

[fiery spindle]

🧠

how are yall doin btw folks

[coarse bay]

Happy that the season finally started

[fiery spindle]

actually stuff to do is kinda poggers

[coarse bay]

Having content is good

[cerulean tusk]

Unhappy, cause the real season hasnt started

content is sad and bad

[coarse bay]

Ya world content has been dragging on for me

At least daily m0 and raids is more than preys and delves

[fiery spindle]

it's not that I mind world content but 2 straight weeks of almost nothing else was kinda beans

I get they didn't want people to feel rushed

[lament steeple]

I was originally missing like 100% of my avatar casts yes

[fiery spindle]

but god damn

[fiery spindle]

gotcha, I initially read it as you not pressing avatar gave you 10k dps

I was like HUH

[lament steeple]

I have a small tiny brain

[fiery spindle]

nah mine is smaller because I play dwarf

[lament steeple]

I was like...struggling to hit 30k ever

for even a bit

so am happy i'm doing better

[fiery spindle]

not hitting revenge almost ever goes hard

[lament steeple]

I hit it more than I was hoping to cus I'm still adjusting

[fiery spindle]

well i'm proud of u friend

[lament steeple]

but my colossus casts were much better

[fiery spindle]

[lament steeple]

so maybe when we get into mythic I won't grief

[fiery spindle]

gz

[tribal wharf]

ALL TRINKET

[lusty grotto]

but you dont use revenge that often as thane anyway

[tribal wharf]

give them all to me

[lusty grotto]

or what do you mean

[fiery spindle]

I know, I meant it unironically lol

goes hard = cool

[fiery spindle]

I believe in you friend

[mild vessel]

Guys do you recommend any good guide to learn prot warr?

[tribal wharf]

i got that and the 2h

[coarse bay]

Icyveins

[tribal wharf]

so im pretty much capped on warrior

[lusty grotto]

icy veins, #protection-faq

thats it

[fiery spindle]

I got a hero 2h in my delve map on warrior

[lament steeple]

down to my last two vet pieces

I will achieve freedom soon...

[fiery spindle]

🙏

[cerulean tusk]

why no WoWhead?

[fiery spindle]

I was about to ask

[lusty grotto]

cat you aint new here

why you baiting

[cerulean tusk]

I am a man of the people, for the people

[lament steeple]

probably because wowhead is wrong more often than not

[lusty grotto]

but now that it was asked, we dont have writers in skyhold for the protection wowhead guide

[fiery spindle]

well then I will ask without bait, why no wowhead

oh

i've been using wowhead this whole time for prot.......

[lusty grotto]

only recently since Nomeratur retired

it was good for DF and TWW

[fiery spindle]

this whole time as in this expac I mean lol

[lament steeple]

mm, the vdh one was not great

[lusty grotto]

and it is 500% good for fury and arms since Archi manages it

[cerulean tusk]

500% good of what, if baseline is 0, that is 0

Aight I go do content now

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle

[fiery spindle]

the DK ones are maintained by people in acherus so all of them are good af

I can't speak beyond those specs

[lament steeple]

good to know it varies wildly from class to class

[fiery spindle]

yeah it does lmao

like I think hunter uses icy veins

cause the TC guy/guys aren't on wowhead

for all 3 specs

[lament steeple]

I'm gonna have to have a paladin leveled too I think soon just in case :/

which I've looked at for all of...five seconds besides legion remix

[lusty grotto]

whatever guide Hammer of Wrath discord maintains should be good

[lament steeple]

I don't know if we have pally buff or not so nonzero chance I swap a second time if we end up w/o pally buff

[lusty grotto]

i dont think the wowhead guide is good for it, its managed by pumps as well, you'd have to ask Hammer of Wrath

[coarse bay]

Ya i personally wouldnt recommend wowhead for ppal, pwar, or bear

[tribal wharf]

maybe i'll do more than 1 dps as arms nwo

[lament steeple]

how is ppal vs pwar this season

[coarse bay]

Very different

They still both do the same they always have tbh

[lament steeple]

this means nothing to me

[coarse bay]

Erm

[lament steeple]

unfortunately

sorry

I started playing war this week

and the game ever at the end of tww

[coarse bay]

Ppal is less steady due to how it mitigates damage

It’s much more cd based

Rotating defensives

Best way to describe pwar is safe

[lament steeple]

vdh plays very heavy on rotating defensives, is it similar

or is my self heal also trash like war

[lusty grotto]

no it doesnt

its not similar to ppal at all

[coarse bay]

Tbh the tanks all have a different playstyle

I wouldnt say any tank is similar

[lusty grotto]

frailty and DS are easy to keep up especially in this expansion

[lament steeple]

yeah I'm just trying to get a surface understanding of ppal

that's true I've had to think much much less

[lusty grotto]

ppal is extremely dependent on defensive cds

and standing on consecration

[lament steeple]

oh yes the pee

I forgot about that

[coarse bay]

Ppal without def cds rolling is probably one of the squishiest tanks

[lusty grotto]

VDH is more similar to warrior than ppal when looking at all 3 classes

[lament steeple]

hm gotcha

does ppal do much self heal or is it all just mit

[coarse bay]

It has self heal but optimally you dont want to use gcds on it

It isnt dk or vdh levels

[lament steeple]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

its not an automatic thing like VDH

you have to use WoG

[lament steeple]

I haven't played bdk yet

[lusty grotto]

with your holy power

[lament steeple]

ok that makes some sens

I'll go bother prot pally discord later if I need to pick that one up too

I'm gonna at least level the pally and have it on standby

[mild vessel]

Has prot warrior issues rn with survivability in heroic raid?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lament steeple]

not that I've run into

[lusty grotto]

no correctly played tank does

[lament steeple]

besides if I get way too many debuff stacks before someone swaps, which would be any tank

[mild vessel]

Right now, I'm looking for a reliable tank class, especially in terms of survivability, and I'm torn between Warrior, Monk, and Death Knight

Help me lol

[ionic fern]

Warrior.

[lusty grotto]

we cant make that choice for you

[ionic fern]

Totally not biased.

[lusty grotto]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

In terms of surv:
Warrior wins by default, by being the mitigation tank.

Monk is a close 2nd. BDK is a win more tank, you can only feel immortal in content you already conquer my default and will feel underwhelmed in anything else.

[undone beacon]

warrior is p cool methinks

allergies are not p cool i hate pollen and want to die

[ivory barn]

Warrior is the only class I play, because I enjoy berserk classes

[daring marlin]

pollen is my enemy atm tbh

[tribal wharf]

monk is crazy strong rn

unknown if it will get nerfed in future

[hoary gyro]

hello all, new to prot. Does anyone know which race would be the quietest? I find the Mechagnome shouts get really annoying

[tribal wharf]

effects too probably, i havent ever thought about what race makes noise, cow does though

[warm plinth]

Anything with a low voice should be tolerable. I've played a number of other races as warrior and gnome/mechagnome were the only ones that made me want to gouge out my ear drums

Played vulpera, dwarf, kul tiran, undead, tauren, and none of those were an issue

[meager quail]

Knowing that you played Vulpera is an issue

[warm plinth]

The warrior I've played since BfA was made as a vulpera

[vital vale]

eyo im trying to make a boss swap macro for cosmos, dragons, and paladins.

basically this will taunt my focus and then target it, but i want it to also set my previous target as the new focus, how do i do that if thats even possible

[lusty grotto]

not possible

[solid sun]

I can confirm that doing a random prey awards 1k rep towards blood elf guy

[lusty grotto]

cool ty rhino

[mild vessel]

In raid, while you don't have aggro on the boss, is it still worth keeping Shield Block active to increase the damage from passive talents that incentivize its use?

[undone beacon]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

ideally yes, but if youre playing ITF right now you want that to recharge SBs

[vital vale]

this just works actually

[undone beacon]

I thought we’re not supposed to be playing ITF right now at all, with how low haste is

[lusty grotto]

right

we historically always play ITF in raids, regardless of haste

the problem this season/tier is that there are a lot of bosses where youre just split and cannot get full ITF stacks

usually that happens in 1 or 2 bosses in the raid tier, but there's a massive amount of them rn

[warm plinth]

Like you're by yourself without friendlies too?

[lusty grotto]

yes

first boss

[warm plinth]

Lame

[lusty grotto]

twin dragons, you have groups with you but they are outside of ITF range because they are big dragons

[mild vessel]

And for you guys, do you still keep Ignore Pain up almost all the time, or does it become more of a "I have excess rage, I'll press it" or "Shield Block is on cooldown, so I'll use Ignore Pain while waiting for at least one charge of Shield Block to come back"

[lusty grotto]

do we still?

we never cared about IP uptime

read this #protection message

tl;dr: IP = rage dump, use at 70+ rage, dont track it, dont care about uptime

[warm plinth]

You press IP when you have over 70 rage; that's pretty much how it's always been, at least since IP was a thing (outside of the brief time where we had that alternate revenge/IP thing). If Shield Block is on cooldown when you're taking damage, you're either playing wrong or you're using wrong talents.

[lusty grotto]

ghash

[warm plinth]

Nimchipperino

[lusty grotto]

i prepared a whole wall of text talking about that

its in the link

[warm plinth]

I should put that in the cliff notes (and update the cliff notes in general lol) #protection message

[undone beacon]

It’s a very thorough wall

[lusty grotto]

add these too

[warm plinth]

Also it's funny that I wrote that shit like 3 years ago and all but like 5% of it is still the same as today

We're nothing if not consistent

[lusty grotto]

haste rating required for ITF midnight edition: #protection message
IP formula for midnight: #protection message

[mild vessel]

Thanks a lot, guys. Sorry for all the questions, but you're helping me out a ton to understand

[lusty grotto]

kinda need one for the whole 1/4 vs 4/4 thing which seems to be asked as well

probably with header fonts with pash saying ARCHON ONLY SHOWS 1/4 CAUSE THE SITE IS BUGGED

and "we've never recommended anything other than 4/4" under that

[mild vessel]

My doubt about Ignore Pain came up because, for example, since you recommend keeping Shield Block active in raids regardless to boost damage, I’ll definitely have some downtime on Shield Block at certain points. I thought that, in those moments, Ignore Pain would become the priority to avoid getting one-shot

[lusty grotto]

you dont have downtime with HR

just spec HR

you recharge SB when youre not actively tanking

[warm plinth]

You want to use Shield Block when not actively tanking ONLY if you won't hurt uptime WHILE tanking.

[lusty grotto]

there should be 0 downtime

its far more important to have available than the added damage to SS

[undone beacon]

Plus Apex adds even more value to that

[warm plinth]

Generally tank swaps are pretty scripted in raid fights, so you know what you can get away with once you've seen how frequent the swaps are

[lusty grotto]

as a general rule of thumb: spec HR if you have gaps

that solves two issues:

• not having the rating required to manage SB correctly with ITF
• not being experienced enough to manage SB in a raid setting

and IP is certainly not a crutch in the way you explained @mild vessel

its not nearly as strong as SB

there's an exception to that but im not gonna go over it

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

damn that was fast

[ionic fern]

https://giphy.com/gifs/morgancreek-cowboys-wild-west-young-guns-5q0vuiavNihv5Ic5Ie

Fastest gun in the west.

[fiery spindle]

genuine tanking question for yall, is it kinda required to maintain multiple tanks at a CE level of raiding

aka one tricking tanks (mostly) doesn't work out as good as, say, dps

[lusty grotto]

not really

having multiple toons is only good for early CE

its just for speed/RWF/splits

late CE guilds dont really need to have tanks doing that

because gear is a huge factor (and the incremental damage buffs or slow nerf of the raids)

[fiery spindle]

valid

[lusty grotto]

also note i said "only good", its not required

but also that depends on the guild

[solid sun]

I also did a second random prey and once again gained 1k prey rep

[soft flower]

they hotfixed in the catch up, if that's what your experiencing?

[warm plinth]

That's because you're a qt

[solid sun]

Working my way up the qt ranks

Does your car look better now

[ionic rock]

Can someone tell me what does the 4 set do? The revenge! Part

[warm plinth]

Revenge! is the free revenge proc

[ionic rock]

Aaa i see ty

[warm plinth]

Same thing that comes from this effect on revenge itself

[cerulean tusk]

Its easier if you divide it to HoF vs CE and late-CE guilds. Only HoF needs to care about the multiclass emergency minmax and split runs (most HoF dont even split)

So just say, if you do CE, dont worry about it

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre not wrong

but i dont think that person is on any of them so didnt wanna overexplain

[cerulean tusk]

Just hit em with:
Dont worry about it

Then get hate

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Yeah FunkyKitty, he doesn't want to overexplain. #protection message

[cerulean tusk]

That is more a rage post than anything

[lusty grotto]

in my defense the IP questions are never ending

[warm plinth]

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, cause you never answer them

[lusty grotto]

also ghash we had a versa question the other day

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[cerulean tusk]

Hey, the versa question!

Long time no see

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Was the question "why do people say versa instead of vers when shortening versatility?"

😏

[lusty grotto]

ive been spoiled by the EUs

[cerulean tusk]

versa =/= vers

[warm plinth]

So you're suggesting they are two different stats

[cerulean tusk]

versa, is all vers values - vers is just rating value

this is known

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

That reminds me of an ex girlfriend's mom

[cerulean tusk]

Works every time, half of the time

[warm plinth]

So if you don't know, some people in Missouri pronounce their state's name incorrectly as Missour-uh instead of Missour-ee. Except she took it one further and tried to say that the river was Missour-ee and the state was Missour-uh.

[cerulean tusk]

I would marry that mom

[warm plinth]

To this day, it's in my top 10 of dumbest things I've ever heard

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, I am sad to announce, I had to upgrade from 180 shield and 1hander for the ??

[lusty grotto]

no balls

[cerulean tusk]

The strikes just hit too hard with 20% sb value

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bdqMm.gif

[cerulean tusk]

I deserve the riddicule

didnt even 2h tank it

[warm plinth]

Nah you can't let me ridicule you

I'm not even subbed

[cerulean tusk]

You won

Noone can counter you anymore, you are free

[warm plinth]

Though I do get the feeling that the new nemesis is easier than last season's

[cerulean tusk]

Well, Ky'v took me ish 90-100

this took me, 6? if you count two fury runs for funs

[warm plinth]

Kinda disappointing how inconsistent they are

underpin was a joke

[lusty grotto]

i dont think they want the hardest one in the first season tbh

[cerulean tusk]

I was right on the money

[warm plinth]

didn't do the first one; I only did like 3 keys that season and that was it

[cerulean tusk]

They could have at least forced you to move a bit and stuff tho

[lusty grotto]

maybe

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, Ky just spoiled me

I loved that fight

10/10

[lusty grotto]

same

[warm plinth]

Underpin would have been really good except for 2 things: one is that you could cheese some stuff with gear (e.g. taking hits from things that were supposed to be insta-kill and surviving), and the other is that the lines for the balls would be invisible sometimes

If they fixed those two things, he would've been good

[lusty grotto]

the whole invisible telegraph thing has been a problem with z-axis in WoW for a long time, i dont think they can solve it without workarounds

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you saw it again with Ky'veza with the dagger mechanic

Except hers was MUCH faster and always fatal

[cerulean tusk]

Her daggers never were unfair or bugged tho?

[warm plinth]

Is that sarcasm?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I just never saw any issues with em

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

I didnt do that tho, Rat

[warm plinth]

Are we being baited

[lusty grotto]

they werent though the daggers themselves, the problem is with the telegraph issues

[cerulean tusk]

I dont get the issue, the lines showed, dont stand in em, dont get hit - they were always on point

[lusty grotto]

the lines are the telegraph

[warm plinth]

Yeah like the daggers functioned as they were supposed to, but the lines would be hidden under the floor in certain areas. It was WAY worse in the actual delves than the nemesis fight, but it happened there too

[cerulean tusk]

I have no memory of this, and I did that fight so many times

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/wLbD.gif

[cerulean tusk]

I think ya were just bad, got hit and did a cope+seethe "tele bad!"

[warm plinth]

I died to them a few times but not enough that it bothered me much. I was just saying the issue was present.

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-jH6s9HMMi53dSdI73r

[lusty grotto]

its not a consistent thing, its entirely possible you avoided z-axis / slightly elevated surfaces for the entire thing

[warm plinth]

My deaths were like 98% from the clones because I couldn't see them

[cerulean tusk]

same, and I didnt learn to set on the option to see the shadows before 70 pulls in

I was so annoyed I couldnt see em, so I clicked on everything

[warm plinth]

Mine was because of colorblindness; I've always had the outline thing on since it was a thing.

[cerulean tusk]

Colorblind brotha, ya green/yellow?

[warm plinth]

Only time in my 19+ years of WoW where I actually lost to colorblindness haha. Made it through Netherspite, Maiden in ToS, no problems at all

green/red

[cerulean tusk]

[warm plinth]

I think you mix/matched them there haha. It's either green/red or blue/yellow (or everything, but that's super rare)

[cerulean tusk]

All I know is that I struggle to diff green and yellow in particular

[warm plinth]

It's possible you are green/red and it's just not super bad so only some distinguishing is affected

[cerulean tusk]

It aint halfbad, it is just annoying when I say a colour and everyone just gives me the stare

[warm plinth]

The only real thing it affects me doing is the flashing yellow/red lights when it's dark or there's only one light

Which isn't super common, so it's rarely a problem

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, it aint an issue at all - not like we dont have a set 'this is XYZ' either way

it just aint what other see, and that is whatever

[warm plinth]

I don't have a set this is xyz

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe if I walked with art or something

walked?

worked

[jade yoke]

Hi guys, questions as im new. I plan to only push keys and not raid at all. can i still be well geared by doing this or will i fall behind quickly in temrms of ilvl. 247 currently

[warm plinth]

A lot of people only do keys

You'll be fine

[jade yoke]

sick ty

[cerulean tusk]

You will be fine, 12elv, you will just be delayed a few weeks

[lusty grotto]

gear rn does not matter

[jade yoke]

no shit

[warm plinth]

Max ilevel loot for anyone outside of mythic raiders is less frequent, but you'll still get some

[cerulean tusk]

If you plan to push keys, you will be maxed gear before season push is done either way

[jade yoke]

ok cool cool

[cerulean tusk]

I keep forgetting, we getting another silly turbo boost ilvl jump again?

[lusty grotto]

so far no

but we'll need to see if that changes

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/obvilyas-cat-1-Ncn7y0xz7ZfAxEcEml

so far so happy

[undone beacon]

Whats been announced is ilvl extension on weapons/trinkets through an item

And bonus rolls for phat lewts

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not via crests

[meager quail]

Sort of yes sort of no. The void forge thing is a bit of a ilvl extension as well as a bonus roll thing.

[lusty grotto]

its something different

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/2mG3TDbUTFY5UznyjS

[lusty grotto]

dw it doesnt seem like it'll fuck alts as much as the old turbo boosts

[cerulean tusk]

We will see

[meager quail]

So far the bonus rolls look like they’re bonus rolls done right (finally). Only rough edge I can think of is not being able use them for raid loot during prog if you’re not reclearing.

[solid sun]

If the two raids that are out now were just one raid, where would you position chimaera

[cerulean tusk]

As long it isnt another season of:
Want to do an alt? Better farm 920 crests.

[lusty grotto]

chimmie is probably the easiest of the bosses

big V can tie with him if anything

[solid sun]

lol wow that isn’t at all what I expected. Good to know

[lusty grotto]

heroic chimmie is slightly harder i guess

that big V

[meager quail]

You’ll be able to farm crests and the items for the extended ilvl in parallel, so should be a ton better.

Plus if I recall correctly the crest discount from the achieve is 50% now, rather than 33% like in TWW.

[cerulean tusk]

Cost went up tho

at best it is the same

[lusty grotto]

this doesnt sound good at all

it sounds more of the same

[meager quail]

I cba to do the maffs right now. I’d happily bet one hundred of @warm plinth’s hard earned dollars that it’ll be at least a little better than TWW S2.

[lusty grotto]

turbo boost was dogshit because:

• you had to spam content again to get +2 upgrades on every slot
• any character/alt that was already behind on crest acquisition was now 2 whole upgrade behind

anyone starting a character at turbo boost needed to farm an insane amount of crests

[warm plinth]

why are we betting my money

[lusty grotto]

if any of those are true with this new system

then that means its equally as dogshit

not to mention the crafted gear recrafting

[ivory barn]

Is that crest things account wide

[meager quail]

This part won’t be as bad, since the ilvl extension isn’t crests and can be farmed at the same time as crests.

I still think starting a fresh alt mid-late season will be painful. But it won’t be as painful.

[lusty grotto]

the only thing turbo boost was good for was dinars, thats it

[lusty grotto]

right thats what i said earlier

[solid sun]

Are we getting another turbo boost

[lusty grotto]

kind of yes

thats the PTR

[hidden sinew]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNhj5Bi-ths&pp=ygUVcHJvdCB3YXJyaW9yIG1pZG5pZ2h0

anyone know the addon this guy is using to track debuff stacks on the other tank?

[lusty grotto]

naowh qol

its on curse

[hidden sinew]

Yuge ty!

[lusty grotto]

the guy is also here, hes using naowh ui but for that one you need to sub/prime

i also use naowhui

just not at 2004 resolution

[hidden sinew]

Ohhhh ofc it’s a sub thing. Gate keeping vibe code :/

[lusty grotto]

the one i mentioned isnt

naowh qol is free

no sub required

just download it from curse

[hidden sinew]

Ah gotcha I misread as the same

[lusty grotto]

the entire ui is the one that's sub only

[hidden sinew]

Ty 🫡

Worddddd

Appreciate you, rodeo rodent 🤝

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

A guy in MPF shared an addon they made that has interrupt tracker.

Among other things

[lusty grotto]

recently?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

A few days ago

[lusty grotto]

because most of those addons were chinese made and blizzard instantly made them useless

and youre sure it works, and its not one of those i mentioned?

[warm plinth]

I don't know if it works or not since I'm not subbed. Itamae tested it and had some feedback on the death alerts but didn't say anything about the interrupt tracker.

[lusty grotto]

if it relies on reading chat, those addons are nuked

[warm plinth]

🤷

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/portal-authority

[tribal wharf]

eh

[lusty grotto]

thats super sus

no github either

[cerulean tusk]

I only install addons vetted by my mates

[solid sun]

Can I ask what’s sus about it

[lusty grotto]

it will break on tuesday

asap

i thought it was in but apparently it isnt

https://www.wowhead.com/news/some-last-minute-changes-coming-to-addon-api-before-mythic-raids-and-mythic-380900

these are security changes i guess

according to nui devs

kick tracking is using an exploit

and you can get banned

as of the 16th

im not particularly sure how true this is or what

its hearsay so take it with a grain of salt

[dusky canopy]

That makes sense because the blue post talks about how they’re changing the functions being used to track kicks

[solid sun]

Well

Wait

[solid sun]

Wasn’t there a post about how liquid is tracking cd’s and they discussed it with blizzard and it was given the all clear?

And if that’s true, why is it okay to track cd’s but not track kicks?

[lusty grotto]

no idea, thing is muddy

things are muddy, rather

[dusky canopy]

Max said even if blizzard doesn’t want addons to track cds he would just patch everyone’s screens together someway with the cooldowns he wants to see in the same area on the screen

They literally cannot win

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

[dusky canopy]

This is just annoying for the rest of us

[lusty grotto]

he can do that cause hes a 21st man

other guilds cant

[dusky canopy]

Right

[heavy sparrow]

I love the phrasing add-on exploits for features that were poorly designed and the general public of players just do the same thing with Weakauras but turn them into addons

[lusty grotto]

but also in his defense, a 21st man is not as reliable if they do not have that information

[lusty grotto]

this is not from blizzard

but also

yes they are exploiting

[lusty grotto]

i just linked that earlier

[heavy sparrow]

I 100% am not educated on the coding aspect though but I was under the impression if it can be made an add on, it was okay to do & use

[daring marlin]

damn man HQ items make so much of a difference when crafting

that's nuts

[lusty grotto]

addon security means something completely different than what you think

those changes announced only renames certain things and/or both limit or removes limits from the scope of the API calls

it will break addons, if they arent updated

but its not part of the exploit thing

[heavy sparrow]

Taking out the competitors (the free-range add-on authors). I was always under the impression if it could be stable with the in game features, and the capabilities of the add-on functions, anything goes

[lusty grotto]

two different topics, i was just looking into what had been said lately

[heavy sparrow]

Ahh this makes sense

[lusty grotto]

by definition addon devs arent competition

they dont have monetary gain

nor are their addons supposed to provide profit

idk man

ive been able to do content just fine

what is the problem?

the dispel thing is getting changed so at least healers won't have to rely on voice comms

[heavy sparrow]

I do understand the need to reduce external functions of add-ons to play or do content of the game

I'm kinda just not sure if add-on functions that can be used to play the game (like playing the AH, or gladius in PVP for trinket trackers) should be called an exploit because they're running their own DPS meters now

[lusty grotto]

playing the AH is not combat related

[heavy sparrow]

Woops mb just re-edited the post like same time you entered above

[lusty grotto]

gladius should def be limited

and if there are workarounds, they should get patched

bans are a step too far, but it also depends on how they are applying those workarounds

[heavy sparrow]

It is kinda cheese though, even back when I actually arenas in wotlk/cata

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure default ui has had trinket trackers, so i dont think that's gonna be touched

at least for a big while

so if gladius just skins those, it'll be ifne

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-stay-on-those-screens-long-enough-youll-convince-yourself-that-thats-reality-odafin-tutuola-law-and-order-special-victims-unit-staring-on-those-screens-for-too-long-can-mess-with-your-head-if-you-stay-on-those-screens-for-too-long-youll-think-that-thats-reality-gif-20049658

It truly is too - looks like adaptive outcomes and now tackling the workarounds with whackamole

[lusty grotto]

yes but unlike cheating

people will get used to it

[open wedge]

whats up with gladius

[lusty grotto]

nothing it was just mentioned as an example

[open wedge]

oh no like what needs to be limited, seems pretty bare bones no?

[lusty grotto]

my point was that if gladius tracks things that are not supposed to be tracked, then it shouldn't

[open wedge]

ohhh

[lusty grotto]

and can be considered an exploit

was trying to make a point

but as it stands, i dont think gladius is doing that

[heavy sparrow]

Would these changes affect PVE and PVP or still rely on our memory

[lusty grotto]

what changes

[heavy sparrow]

Cool down tracking. Also just wanted to mention that I only spoke about gladius because it tracked other player's trinkets, thanks for clarifying it was just bare bones

[lusty grotto]

there are no changes to cooldown tracking

[pearl ravine]

hey im kinda new to retail wow, i played a bit in dragonflight but its my first prot warrior on retail, currently 88 lvl.

do prot warriors use stance dancing on retail?

[undone beacon]

We do not

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone beacon]

We stay in dstance

[pearl ravine]

the 3s cd between swapping hurts a little bit

🤔

what im usually doing is

[lusty grotto]

there is dancing in high level raids, but thats about it

stay in def stance

[pearl ravine]

if i go into burst

i have these written

[undone beacon]

Nope, stay in Dstance the whole time

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[undone beacon]

They removed the damage penalty from dstance so you're essentially losing a ton of DR for a minimal crit gain

[pearl ravine]

#showtooltip Avatar
/cast [stance:1/2] Battle Stance
/cast Avatar

then i do champ spear + ravager and swap back to def stance

[lusty grotto]

dont

do

that

[pearl ravine]

with #showtooltip Thunder Clap
/cast [stance:1/2] defensive stance
/cast Thunder Clap

[lusty grotto]

stop

[undone beacon]

Yeah, we don't do that

[lusty grotto]

remove all stance shifts from your abilities

do not do it

[pearl ravine]

i did play a lil bit warrior on classic

[lusty grotto]

this aint classic

[pearl ravine]

that was common thing there but it was bit time ago

[undone beacon]

Retail is very different

[pearl ravine]

so

[lusty grotto]

yes i know i played both vanilla and classic

do not do it here

[pearl ravine]

stance dancing is sweaty for marginal gains?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[undone beacon]

Stance dancing is "I'm trying to 100 parse on farm bosses in mythic"

And "I'm trying to get myself killed for no real gain" anywhere else

[pearl ravine]

😂 i have these macros on... means im questing main story with these

[undone beacon]

Yeah absolutely stop doing that

[pearl ravine]

i meaaaaan

[undone beacon]

Also we dont run champ spear so as soon as you're 90 get rid of that

[pearl ravine]

if i already went with the effort of making one

i might as well use em

[undone beacon]

You're going to perform worse in endgame content with those macros

Literally inting

[lusty grotto]

its just as easy to replace them with skills from your spell book

[pearl ravine]

ive never raided but im interested in giving lfr a try

[undone beacon]

If you're going to do lfr please do everyone a favor and look at the bosses beforehand

[daring marlin]

If you do, go right into normal next

they're pretty much all the same

[undone beacon]

I love wiping to 1st boss in LFR because LFR tanks dont know the basics of the fight

[daring marlin]

return to tank hell

like I need to

[pearl ravine]

i love going in blind xD

[undone beacon]

Too busy being a shadowy witch sorry

[lusty grotto]

this aint FFXIV

or classic

[daring marlin]

I was having fun tossing chaos bolts

[lusty grotto]

do not go in blind

[pearl ravine]

called out

[undone beacon]

Yeah, please dont. For the sake of the 29 other people's time you're wasting

[lusty grotto]

^

[daring marlin]

until tanks kept wiping us in heroic first boss

[undone beacon]

it do be like that

[lusty grotto]

i aint calling it out, ffxiv players can do that, and its a great way to go into fights in that game specifically, but its not in WoW

[undone beacon]

One of our tanks almost passed out during H Salhadaar because they had given blood earlier

[pearl ravine]

btw hypothetically speaking if i wanted to make another char once i ding 90 on prot war

i want another tank but more mobile out of fight

[daring marlin]

wtf

bro needs to eat and get his fluids up dafuq loll

[undone beacon]

VDH is probably your best bet if thats all you care about

[undone beacon]

Real and true

[undone beacon]

But also like, spend some time at max level on one character and play the endgame. Theres a lot to do

Its kind of WoW's whole thing in fact

[sharp gale]

Do whatever you want , be a butterfly 🦋

[daring marlin]

I'll tank M+ for your shadowy witch self pash

[undone beacon]

Shadow is kinda ass in M+ it seems but hell yeah

Hopefully having tier eventually will shore up some of that

Shadow tier kinda juicy

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/roses-rose-sending-love-sending-hugs-love-you-gif-17730356

Witching up the dungeons

[waxen cradle]

Are you guys finding your having a rough time getting good uptime on parses for this week, I mean I am learning the fights on heroic but damn my numbers have felt awful

[lusty grotto]

parses dont really matter rn

youre against RWF with 4pc and good loot because of splits

[waxen cradle]

I mean yeah I am learning but damn it feels bad

[pearl ravine]

somehow i held aggro

[undone beacon]

uptime for what, SB?

[waxen cradle]

By learning I mean getting the heroic changed learned I mean

[lusty grotto]

right thats fine

[waxen cradle]

Nah I mean damage uptime and getting good numbers

[lusty grotto]

remember the parse rankings are comparisons between logs, if Liquid, Echo, Method and HoF guilds are pumping out runs they will just obliterate everyone else, not only because of 4pc and gear, but also because they have done the fights so much that they know how to maximize dps

[waxen cradle]

I am considering doing LFR for tier, but the gamble against 29 other people seems like maybe not worth

[lusty grotto]

no reason not to do it

[undone beacon]

^

[lusty grotto]

having 4pc fast means all of your characters get catalyst charges as drops after

[undone beacon]

its per character

not warband

[lusty grotto]

its warband

check wowhead

[undone beacon]

after this 0

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/completing-4-piece-tier-set-reportedly-allows-entire-warband-to-drop-catalyst-380861

[undone beacon]

big "check the news any channel" energy

[lusty grotto]

you were supposed to be a witch

https://klipy.com/gifs/destroy-the-sith-star-wars

[undone beacon]

i am tho harumph

[solid sun]

Pash, ghash, jakey, nome, and myself all not tanking this season

And some even more than just not tanking

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

In all their blue posts they say its supposed to be for that character so i assume its a bug

And likely will be fixed before I can benefit from it >:(

[lusty grotto]

glass half full okay?

[undone beacon]

I'm already 2pc on my rat hunter so... ideally i get a vault piece and then can cata and then we gaming?

My glass has long been shattered nim

[lusty grotto]

fix it

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/like-gif-25588262

[coarse bay]

[daring marlin]

wtf

[solid sun]

You guys should have seen Cam

[daring marlin]

I got nothing in normal on my lock lmfao

or lfr

[undone beacon]

I got jack shit on my prog main but got two pieces of warband mail tier from normal

[daring marlin]

like nothing even dropped

feelsgoodman

[solid sun]

Yesterday he was like, "I'm going to be in bed after work" and then gamed all night.

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

Then he was like we gonna play in the morning and I woke up and made breakfast to be ready for play making

And this dude yapped with his guildies like a nerd dragon

[coarse bay]

Actually i did go to bed for a few hours nap at one point and slept for 8 hours

[solid sun]

So mean

[coarse bay]

rhino i sorey

I will make this up with me life

[solid sun]

It's okay I'd yap with your guildies too

[coarse bay]

It was literally

Like

Hang on let me match

Math*

6 am for them

Why are they up till 6 am

[undone beacon]

rhino are you just in all our guild discs

[coarse bay]

Rhino is in all of your discs pash

You just dont know it

[opal ledge]

is there a easy way to keep track of other tank stacks on boss fights?

[maiden ravine]

freaking had ?? and I missed a kick somehow lol, 13 minutes into the damn fight too

[coarse bay]

I believe dbm and bw should be doing it

[loud rune]

which of the guides is the better choice #protection-faq icyveins or wowhead?

[solid sun]

No cam was just giving me the play-by-play of what was happening

[coarse bay]

Icyveins

[undone beacon]

FAQ and Icyveins are both maintained by active players here, wowhead hasnt been properly updated in a bit as our wowhead guidewriter stepped down. We point people to icyveins

[coarse bay]

I wanted to play with rhino

Im a hostage to the system

[dense basalt]

I’m looking at some high parsing raid logs compared to mine and I have a question? When you’re off tanking are you still hitting Ignore Pain just to not rage cape? Or are the Ignore Pain casts I’m seeing procs from Violent Outburst?

[undone beacon]

You still want to use IP to not rage cap, yes

The prot rotation is a rage feedback loop. Spending that rage feeds into VO and AM, which means more damage overall

[dense basalt]

Thank you what’s AM

[undone beacon]

Anger Managment, our cooldown reduction talent

[dense basalt]

Should you pool a minimum amount of range?

[dense basalt]

Copy

[undone beacon]

No reason to pool rage, spend it as you have it

Ensure you keep Shield Block running

Dump into IP at high rage to prevent capping

Send into Revenge when you dont have other buttons to hit

[dense basalt]

Sounds good thank you for all the help

[undone beacon]

[dense basalt]

Also for Revenge I’ve noticed like that half a second or so (I’m sure will be fixed with more haste) before thunder clap comes off cd.

[lusty grotto]

your rage needs to be constantly bouncing between 30 and 70 rage

[dense basalt]

Is it better to wait that .3-.5 second for thunder clap or hit revenge and then thunder clap

[lusty grotto]

70+ rage you send IP

[lusty grotto]

no

never wait

[dense basalt]

Just blast got it

But don’t blast to ZERO rage?

lol

[lusty grotto]

no

rage starving is a HUGE NO NO

and so is rage capping

maintain SB up, dont let mobs hit your behind

[dense basalt]

Yeah got that

[lusty grotto]

the 30 rage is for unlucky rage generators not proccing and having to refresh SB

and/or

for revenge to reset SS, etc

in a pinch

not always

[dense basalt]

Am I missing a talent or something or are there very short windows of not having SB

[lusty grotto]

do you have 1188 haste rating?

[dense basalt]

No

[lusty grotto]

if you do not

swap Into The Fray with Heavy Repercussions

those gaps will stop

[dense basalt]

I’m just curious how does haste lower SB

[lusty grotto]

you need 1188+ haste rating to talent Into The Fray, if you dont you will have massive SB gaps

[dense basalt]

Cd

[lusty grotto]

read the tooltip

if the cd is green its affected by haste

on any class, if their ability is green, it means its affected by haste, i should say

haste is our top stat primarily because of SB

and secondly because of gcd and rage gains

[maiden ravine]

?? done at 237 ilvl just to say I could, yay. Oh my fingers hurt from spamming shield slam.

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[coarse bay]

grats

[dense basalt]

Just to confirm 1188 haste and fray means you’ll have 100% uptime and if less haste you need both heavy rep and Fray

[maiden ravine]

it is terrifying seeing full stacks of ignore pain just vanish

[lusty grotto]

no

to both questions

1188 haste rating means you can talent Into The Fray, it does not automatically mean you will have 100% uptime

[maiden ravine]

I don't know if I'll be doing this guy weekly for 5 myth crests

[lusty grotto]

but you can maintain 100% effective uptime

effective uptime = SB is up while getting hit with blockable attacks

if less haste you SWAP Into The Fray WITH Heavy Repercussions

you cannot have both

its a choice node talent

[dense basalt]

Thank you

This is awesome advice

[lusty grotto]

read this for more detail: #protection message

[dense basalt]

Will do

[gilded crest]

So another dumb question, do either Fury or Prot uses TC/TB more often than the other? Like a bigger staple in the rotation?

[coarse bay]

Id assume prot uses it more

[lusty grotto]

fury only goes thane in dungeons and council fights (and this last one is debatable)

but otherwise id say its about the same

[gilded crest]

Preciate it.

[lusty grotto]

in pure aoe, cause fury does not TC in ST, we do

or at least its lower prio than other stuff, last time i checked

[sharp gale]

Hum, how do I tell you

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean

i guess twin dragons, vanguard and chimaerus

[sharp gale]

Every current fights is my big guess

[lusty grotto]

but thane will lose value on add phases on those if everyone just deletes them

no

bad guess

[young oasis]

Just downed Dragons HC. Fuck yeah

got leg tier

[sharp gale]

GG

[young oasis]

gray log

but kill is a kill

[sharp gale]

You did in pug ?

[young oasis]

I'm colossus

yep

guild only cleared normal, so I pugged HC

[sharp gale]

Was it painful to pug it ?

[young oasis]

yep

pugged Chimerus HC last night also

but ppl were good

[sharp gale]

Okok just to know for alts, thx

[young oasis]

np. GL

[sharp gale]

Thane fury is 3% lower st than slayer, if you use rend as slayer, it is more reliable, ppl will switch to thane in next reclear on every fights

[lusty grotto]

most logs are slayer happy

except for those 3 fights

[sharp gale]

It can change yk

[lusty grotto]

idk man

[sharp gale]

Like silken court being slayer first than thane (thane always was the best hero for the fight)

[lusty grotto]

yes but hunters was thane first then slayer

in fact thane wasnt used at all in manaforge after the first weeks

[sharp gale]

Bc bugfix yes, but my example is more ppl searching what is best

[lusty grotto]

if i had to guess it has something to do with reap being inconsistent and since it got nerfed to 20%, you just want reliable add damage

[sharp gale]

And thane has a better AoE burst window, the st is very close, rend is very awkward to use as slayer

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats true

[sharp gale]

If you expect failing to perfect rend so unbind in st -> slayer is just 2% ahead

2% ahead on a sim

[coarse bay]

[sharp gale]

Fuck arms, my cdm is so full on that spec

[coarse bay]

If i ever play dps warrior

Itll be the day arms becomes cool

[sharp gale]

I did a dungeon as arms the other day, I was surprised seeing it has RAVAGER still

They don’t know what to do with that spec

[coarse bay]

Ya the few arms keys i did last expact

I had rotational buttons on shift modifier

Get out of here with that business i say

[lusty grotto]

fortunately all you do now is spam cleave

[solid sun]

Is chimaera supposed to be a 10 minute fight

[sharp gale]

Yeah they calmed down arms rotation but it is boring having idk how many CDs just to spam cleave

[lusty grotto]

im not sure why they just havent turned sweeping strikes into an automatic thing ala imp whirlwind

[sharp gale]

Idk if I was just bad (I am), it seems like it is an infinite sweeping strike but you have to press it, like I couldn’t consume all the stacks

[daring marlin]

hmmm

can I get a puzzlebox

we shall see

I replaced my last blue at least