protection

[coarse bay]

So even split of adds is more important

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry i didnt catch the 198% thing because most of the questions about it have been about prioritizing etc

also its friday and brain is on friday mode

but we got there

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/IQVi.gif

[cerulean tusk]

I never got my question answered tho, fbm

[lusty grotto]

cat i will blast you with the wall of text i swear to god

[cerulean tusk]

[warm plinth]

fbm?

fart butt mouth?

[cerulean tusk]

feels

bad

man

[warm plinth]

that makes more sense

[coarse bay]

Your meaning of it made sense too tbh

Just diff perspective ig

[warm plinth]

I'm a simple man. I see fb and I think it's fart butt

[cerulean tusk]

fb = facebook

[lusty grotto]

i agree with cat

[warm plinth]

Facebook? Or fart butt

[coarse bay]

🤷‍♂️

Fart butt

Surely

[warm plinth]

Cam gets it

[cerulean tusk]

2 v 2 atm, we need a tie breaker

[warm plinth]

Summon yogi

[coarse bay]

@solid sun

Is it fart butt?

[cerulean tusk]

FB = Facebook, or Fart Butt

[coarse bay]

@toxic pewter

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

good tuning

[lusty grotto]

aspect of the hydra rest in piss

and devoker also got slightly nerfed

[warm plinth]

ngl I appreciate that they're including white hits in damage tuning finally. Only took over 20 years

[lusty grotto]

well

hydra was giga broken

they were doing so much fucking damage this week

it was absurd

cause they also had it do double damage to certain bosses for some reason

[warm plinth]

Idk what that even is; didn't realize there were damage-based aspects anymore

[lusty grotto]

MM thing

[cerulean tusk]

Passive 2t cleave

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/u4hXFeZF6C6.gif

That is one cursed gif

[cerulean tusk]

Reminds me of when I was young

[lusty grotto]

not as cursed as bruce banner

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah I'm still mad about that one

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if klipy has it

LMAOOO

ok im sorry im actually curious about the one that isnt super obvious

so here goes

https://klipy.com/gifs/avengers-secret-1

lame

[warm plinth]

What the fuck kinda gif is that

[lusty grotto]

yeah absolute trash

[warm plinth]

People who don't understand gifs shouldn't be allowed to make them

Nim, I have a week off coming up (not this coming week but right after), but I don't know what to do with my time off. Thoughts?

[lusty grotto]

im flying to tucson on wednesday

[solid sun]

Fart butt @coarse bay

[lusty grotto]

from wednesday to wednesday

[warm plinth]

What's in Tucson

[lusty grotto]

a bit late to suggest a trip but

staycation is good too

visiting friends, birthday etc

[warm plinth]

whew, 18 hour drive. Not the longest I've ever done 🤔

[lusty grotto]

LOL

fuck that

[solid sun]

Applebees in Texas

[warm plinth]

Bitch if I thought you'd be there I would go

[lusty grotto]

ive actually never been to arizona so im stoked

[warm plinth]

You're east coast?

[lusty grotto]

ye

[solid sun]

I’d be there

[warm plinth]

Bring lotion and chapstick

It's hella dry there

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

I've never been to AZ But I lived in El Paso for 3 years and I am told it's similar

[lusty grotto]

worried about the TSA thing but fuck it we'll just go to the airport like 2-3 hour searly

[warm plinth]

where in Texas

Do you even live in Texas

[solid sun]

I live in the largest city in Texas

[warm plinth]

Oh

That's a long way

BUT

[solid sun]

Everything in Texas is a long way away

It’s our thing

[warm plinth]

Not even close to as long as Tucson

Oh I know; we drove to El Paso from Pennsylvania

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck

[warm plinth]

Us kids got real excited at Texarkana because we thought we were almost there

[solid sun]

Loooooool

[lusty grotto]

you know one day i wanna do the whole

rent an RV with friends and do a huge drive around

[solid sun]

I drove from here to San Diego and we spent so much time never leaving Texas

[warm plinth]

11 1/2 hours is light work

[solid sun]

Not even half a day

[warm plinth]

Not much farther than driving to my mom's

[lusty grotto]

if only i wasnt allergic to driving

[warm plinth]

I don't like to fly because I'm tall and fat

So I drive everywhere

[lusty grotto]

2 hours is the most i can do

[warm plinth]

Farthest I've done in a single trip is a little over 19 hours

From here to upstate NY

I also don't like to stop

[lusty grotto]

im way too ADHD to stay driving for that long

i need out of the car

rage increases the longer im on it

[warm plinth]

East coast to Tucson would be too much even for me and I'd have to suck it up and fly

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solid sun]

I love driving

But I am an explorer

I stop at neat rest stops or gas stations

Never know when you may see them again. If you ever will

[warm plinth]

Buc-ees is the most overrated place in this country. 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🚪

[solid sun]

That’s true

And overpriced

[warm plinth]

Never understood the appeal; it's a gas station with narcissistic personality disorder.

[solid sun]

I do a 5 1/2 hour drive to the lake in Northern (not panhandle) Texas several times a year

We purposely avoid Buc-ee’s and stop at other places instead

Clean bathrooms and good food and no swarms of people obsessing over dumb branding

[warm plinth]

We have a couple good convenience store chains around here

Quik Trip and Casey's

[solid sun]

QT!!

I love going there

Any place that has a sign that just says QT basically is contractually obligated to be good

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's a good place. Casey's has better pizza but is definitely a subpar place overall haha

[solid sun]

I’ve also become a truck guy because of work

So my truck is like molded into my mobile battle station. Home away from home, office, trusted steed, etc

[tribal wharf]

rare monster in dungeon?

[solid sun]

Driving just feels great

[warm plinth]

If it's an m0 then it's probably a world quest mob

which means it's not actually rare; they just flag them that way

[solid sun]

Yes that’s a world quest mob

Did him the other night

[warm plinth]

You just gave me an idea for something to do this weekend: clean out my car

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

I’m cleaning mine this weekend

I usually do that every weekend but this past Saturday I had a flag football tournament

[warm plinth]

I need to get it detailed but mehhhh

[tribal wharf]

didnt drop anything of note

just legion resources and rep

this statement someone made is true

[meager quail]

I don’t know why my phone scrolled me back this far but trying to trick myself into getting back into shape is genuinely part of why I’ve switched to warrior. That and brain damage 🤣

[warm plinth]

Doooo iiiiiit

[solid sun]

Mez

[meager quail]

Rhino

[solid sun]

Go to a circus and find a funny mirror

Just keep looking until you find one that’s passable

Then take a picture and use it as motivation

[meager quail]

Thing is I haven’t put on much weight, I’ve always been naturally slim, but I’m way less fit than I used to be.

It’d be a lot easier to make positive life changes if 2026 hadn’t been a complete clusterfuck so far too

[warm plinth]

I believe

[meager quail]

I’m sure I’ll get there. We’ve already ticked off heating breaking while it’s snowing, aunt having a stroke, having all the pipes and radiators replaced, getting knocked out by flu for about three weeks, having to support an elderly neighbour because care wasn’t arranged after he left hospital, said neighbour passing away

And probably some other crap I’m forgetting 🙂

[warm plinth]

Tough times

[median torrent]

What does getting hit by the nullbeam on dragon fight even do? The tether still seems pretty small even with walking out of the beam instantly?

[lusty grotto]

its not small for the rest of the group

only for the tank

you just dont see how huge it is

it literally reaches the other tank

[median torrent]

So getting hit by the beam makes that second circle smaller?

[lusty grotto]

no

being the active tank on vaelgor makes your tether smaller by design

its not something that tank does, it just is

[median torrent]

Okay so there’s no reason to tank the beam then

You just walk out of it asap?

[lusty grotto]

it tracks

but yea

if youre the tank, you just walk out to the left

or towards the outside

depending on how the dragon is positioned

and youll drop the suck there

[chrome falcon]

So when it says "Nullzone's pull magnitude weakens as nullbeam stacks, up to 8 times"

[median torrent]

The dungeon journal says something about the tether being different based on damage from nullbeam

[chrome falcon]

What does that mean

[median torrent]

But maybe i’m reading it wrong

[lusty grotto]

youll take those hits anyway

[chrome falcon]

I don't understand what you mean

[lusty grotto]

it means the suck will not be as strong if you take those stacks

[chrome falcon]

For everyone?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[median torrent]

Okay which is good

[chrome falcon]

So we should definitely tank the whole thing to help the raid then

[median torrent]

So you do want to tank the beam lol

[lusty grotto]

on normal probably not, on heroic sure

[chrome falcon]

Weird mechanic

Weird boss in general

I didn't realise they only did a tail sweep during their tank mechanic

I was trying to position super cautiously the whole fight for 0 reason

[median torrent]

Yeah not a fan at all. The boss movement is a clusterfuck

[lusty grotto]

i took 4-5 stacks naturally by moving out asap

i like the fight

one of the best ones

[toxic pewter]

Heya

Just left movie theater saw that space movie

[coarse bay]

oh idk any new movies

was it good?

[toxic pewter]

Was alright what I miss in wow

Can’t play till Sunday

[coarse bay]

is fb facebook or fart butt

[toxic pewter]

lol wat in the world

Uhhh

[coarse bay]

@warm plinth

important

we need to know

[toxic pewter]

I guess fart book

[coarse bay]

acceptable

[warm plinth]

He's an innovator

[coarse bay]

Fart Butt has majority vote

[meager quail]

FB = fart book

[glad magnet]

i thought it stood for Feeling Bad... I'm real FB about arms RN

[meager quail]

I’d definitely be farting into about arms

[gilded crest]

Whats everyone's take on thane vs juggernaut? I see what the guides say but figured I get the consensus.

[lusty grotto]

you mean colossus?

thane deals higher dps but not by a huge amount, thats about it

[tribal wharf]

juggernaught is a better name

if you enjoy col and its fun, continue to play it

[lime spruce]

Thane is fewer mental GCDs and I like thunder go boom

I had a hard time picking up Juggernaut after Templar prot pally, Templar’s nuke feels way better in the rotation IMO

[mighty valley]

I like working around the cast time, feels chunky

Thane is butter smooth

Which I find more boring

[lusty grotto]

its the same amount of mental gcds

[toxic pewter]

I play colossus myself

[elder sentinel]

Colossus just feels like my Prot Warrior. I ain’t Thor dang it!!

[solid sun]

I’m pretty Thor like

[ebon geyser]

LITERALLY shaking

[sharp gale]

GG

[undone beacon]

Nice!

[ebon geyser]

might not have been hof but g dmn im proud

[sharp gale]

You can be, HoF was just unemployed show off

[ebon geyser]

lmao

god lol

orb was a pain in the a$$

[lusty grotto]

gz

[ebon geyser]

i ended up kitting in circle lol

but god it felt good

towards the end i mess up so much

https://tenor.com/view/pushing-buttons-quickly-dexter-dexter's-laboratory-tapping-buttons-rapidly-fast-hands-gif-3170826782271219120

literally me lol

at 5% i sent everything RC SW all the things lol

wait.. he drops mythic crest??

[lusty grotto]

yes and they dont count for the cap

hero too

its just a one time thing

[ebon geyser]

is it a one time only or once a week

[maiden forge]

one time

[lusty grotto]

one time forever

[tribal wharf]

the mage was calling my morshu a pumpkin

and i cant really blame him

[narrow jay]

why do we run deep wounds in raid with no execute talents deep wounds does zero damage essentially

[tribal wharf]

execute bugged

[lusty grotto]

it does quite a bit with bloodborne

since the damage adds up on execute phase

you do run a very important execute talent as thane

called Thorim's Might

[lusty grotto]

execute is not bugged

and also DW has pandemic

you 100% execute as thane in ST

[maiden ravine]

?? Drops 5 myth crests weekly

[tribal wharf]

for some reason tooltip ppl were saying the dmg was lower

[lusty grotto]

you may choose not to run it on vanguard but it has value on the other fights

[tribal wharf]

what i remember, anyway i can be wrong about it

[lusty grotto]

you are wrong about it yes

[lusty grotto]

true

[tribal wharf]

last i checked the tooltip was bugged

and i would assume thats why its not taken

[lusty grotto]

the tooltip has never been bugged

not in midnight

not in tww

not in DF

[maiden ravine]

Tank and dps Valeera is so absurdly broken for delves. I wish I was more excited for the prot apex talents.

[lusty grotto]

not as broken as running a healer alt with tank valeera

i steamrolled delves at 170 ilvl

as a holy paladin

[tribal wharf]

okay well, i just remember some talk about execute and its damage on a tooltip, but i dont recall why it was being discussed

[maiden ravine]

I actually haven't tried since they fixed the scaling issue with tank Valeera

[lusty grotto]

uhh

you mean with tank brann

when they fixed tank brann, it was as broken

[maiden ravine]

No, there was a bug making tank Valeera take massive amounts of damage

[lusty grotto]

well i did those this week so im guessing it happened the weeks before

there is a bug with the skills where you have to restart battlenet completely though

and she gets fucked

[maiden ravine]

The note was this week but may have been only for levelling delves

[lusty grotto]

also the seasonal adds are/were absurdidly strong

[lusty grotto]

the ones that apply bleed chunk

[tribal wharf]

at least 1 person who wasnt me said it

[lusty grotto]

streamer = wrong

[maiden ravine]

So how do people generally feel about the dirt cloud?

Maybe I'd like Phalanx more with a different animation

[tribal wharf]

or maybe it was "executes damage is less than revenge"

[lusty grotto]

yes yogi

that was true

but it was not a bug

it was just undertuned

[tribal wharf]

but it was something enough to kill the execute build

[gilded crest]

I know this is going to sound dumb, but between Thane and Juggernaut which has the most offensive power? Mostly because I'll be doing delves and solo content, except for the occasional M+ where I'll take all the defensive talents I can have.

[lusty grotto]

we answered you already

#protection message click this

[gilded crest]

Oh ok my bad.

Thanks.

[lusty grotto]

they are both equivalent defensively

also again, its not Juggernaut

its Colossus

[daring marlin]

what if I want it to be Juggernaut?

[lusty grotto]

you can be whatever you wanna be

[daring marlin]

so wait

Null gives how many myth crests?

I have 35 atm

[lusty grotto]

30 not on cap

5 on cap

[daring marlin]

ok

[lusty grotto]

its just an additional way for people that wont run keys to get em

just like the delve weekly amounts next week

its far more efficient to just do keys though

[daring marlin]

ofc

blastin' keys next week

[lusty grotto]

and/or the vanilla delves

[daring marlin]

gimme my 2h

hoping for tier tbh

[lusty grotto]

we all are

but screw you, you got aln

[daring marlin]

I'll get all boots

for sure

[lusty grotto]

💯

[daring marlin]

I'm using aln and baby aln

VESSEL

[lusty grotto]

vessel is sleeper good but holy shit those orbs are fucking invisible sometimes

worst orb graphic ever

[daring marlin]

I should pick up a puzzlebox

goof for 1min build

[tribal wharf]

blood mallet listing AA puzzle box and games as bis lol

from du ngeon

may need to be a pin about those 2 trinkets as i remember there was ton of talk about it during DF

[lusty grotto]

puzzle and heart are bis yes

from keys specifically

[tribal wharf]

well with some caveat i think right

puzzle is or was cast timer

which leaves you vunerable

and games is use AND have to do a thing and line it up to deal dmg

but, should be fine if you are good and use brain about it

[lusty grotto]

yes it has a cast time

but its fairly quick

[ivory barn]

finally got a 246 fury weapon....

[daring marlin]

oh wait

I know why I never noticed the puzzlebox cast time

It was bugged and you could use it while channeling bladestorm

shit was sick

[lament steeple]

Okay so I'm new to warrior as a whole and I'm going over the guides, but something kinda confused me about the suggested openers. From what I understand, shield block empowers shield bash. But the guides suggest using shield bash before the block. Is there something obvious I'm missing?

[lusty grotto]

read the icyveins guide only

[lament steeple]

Icyveins has that too

[lusty grotto]

we dont have people doing the wowhead one

where exactly on the IV guide?

[lament steeple]

I feel dumb questioning this but the abilities I have literally say I get dmg boost on bash if block is up

Opener

[vast epoch]

Well you need to press something ( like ss for example with avatar as opener) to generate rage for your first shieldblock before start the intense high iq buttonspam

[lusty grotto]

link where youre reading it

[lament steeple]

Sure one sec it's the one in the faq

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[lusty grotto]

@ionic fern

he'll get it sorted out

just shield slam or demo first and youll have rage

[lament steeple]

There's other stuff I do understand that I can fix (I have missed so many colossus casts that I'm embarrassed) but that one had me questioning my ability to read

[lusty grotto]

pre-midnight Avatar gave us rage so

there's some lingering stuff that hasnt been updated

now you can just send demo shout and you'll be fine

or even a TB

if youre thane

if youre colossus, you should just demo shout

[lament steeple]

Yeah I'm thane rn

I meant avatar casts

The names have thrown me

[lusty grotto]

just gotta be careful with demo shout in actual content because not hitting shit will lead to threat loss

so its much safer to just send an SS or a TC

[remote ocean]

is the "increased chance to block" from mastery worthless because of shield block?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lament steeple]

Oh I only am worried because I last min swapped for mythic raid to this tank from my main for comp reasons

[lusty grotto]

the rest is good for mastery though

[remote ocean]

mhm i see.

[lusty grotto]

if youre myth raiding youre pulling with taunt, so you can def safely send a demo to get rage after the charge

[remote ocean]

oh also. the racials "increases mastery by 1.5%" is that flat 1.5% or is that 1.5% more from your mastery rating?

[vast epoch]

Nimchip pls rate my random attempt of super helpfull comment above from 1 to 10

[lament steeple]

I parsed Grey and green clearing normal this week at 248 ilvl so I know I'm missing fundamentals... just immediately feel knowledgeless

[lusty grotto]

here are the fundamentals:

keep SB up, dont give your back to mobs ever

press SS on cd

[lament steeple]

I literally forgot avatar was a button

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS > TC > Revenge = Execute(only in pure ST)

thats your general prio

use IP at 70+ rage

[lament steeple]

Oh yeah I've got that part. Healers were happy with my mit. I'm fucking up dmg

[lusty grotto]

use revenge only under 70 rage and over 30, and ONLY if SS and TC are on cd

that's about it

[lament steeple]

TB is the thunderbolt proc that overwrites TC yes?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[lament steeple]

Okay sweet

[lusty grotto]

thunder blast

[lament steeple]

You lost me on IP

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain

[lament steeple]

Oh OK sweet sweet

I normally play vdh I'm just. Dumb

Is revenge prio over execute if it's free proc'd?

[lusty grotto]

proc doesnt matter for revenge

the only condition is

what i mentioned

[lament steeple]

Okay

[lusty grotto]

if youre using the IV builds

[lament steeple]

Sorry if that was a pointless question I just wasn't sure if the glowing button was blizzard bait

[lusty grotto]

you dont really cast revenge in pure ST at execute range

[lament steeple]

Makes sense

[lusty grotto]

only as thane

and only in pure ST

for colossus and any other target count you can disregard execute completely

[lament steeple]

I'm playing thane cus that's what my RL told me to do for now

So i appreciate the differences

I just don't really understand much other than the not dying buttons I think. I am gonna go whack a dummy for a while. I think missing avatar casts really was what hurt my dmg the most

[lusty grotto]

if you were a vdh player its understandable

since no offensive cds

[lament steeple]

Meta

[lusty grotto]

now

[lament steeple]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

but not before

its not even a huge one, free meteors is whatever

[lament steeple]

Yeah I've only been playing since s3 of tww

And I swapped to warrior on Thursday

[lusty grotto]

play any dps class and youll get it

and the rest of the tank's offensives for that matter

[lament steeple]

Fair

[lusty grotto]

its not hard though just send it when its up

then send everything else that does big damage with it

like shield charge

well avatar + demo shout

[lament steeple]

Yeah I think I'm gonna reorg my hotbar to make avatar more prominent

[lusty grotto]

since demo shout is also a damage cd

[lament steeple]

I press demo on cd

[lusty grotto]

sure thats fine

[lament steeple]

I just forget avatar and was getting baited by glowy rev

So I think that will fix a good portion of the fundamentals from what you said

Just prioing the right CDs

But I am sad revenge is bait cus I thought the TC buff was better than it is

[lusty grotto]

but you still use revenge

if you mean the proc, the only reason you disregard it is because the SS, TC and TB are just bigger damage (and are rage generators)

you just cant align a free proc with when you actually want to use revenge (i.e. to reset SS's cd)

via Strategist

[lament steeple]

Yeah I mean the proc

Er, no not the proc

There's a little buff that you get when you cast revenge that goes on the next TC

I need to figure out the name of what I'm talking about

[lusty grotto]

you mean BSC

best served cold

thats not something you should min max around

its just there as a nice-to-have and its also an obligatory talent point

[lament steeple]

Yeah that was the bait I meant

I kept thinking I needed to make sure every tc/tb had it

[undone beacon]

Best Served Cold is def gravy but not something to prio

A lot of things for prot are that way

[lament steeple]

I'm not very smart with non deterministic rotations

So BSC is far less important than never missing a TC/TB cast

[undone beacon]

Not many specs, much less tanks, really tend to run deterministic rotations anymore

Correct, the damage you gain from BSC is less than the damage you lose by overcapping TB charges for example

[lament steeple]

Okay that makes sense

And not hitting avatar is for sure costing me

[undone beacon]

100%

Lots of CDR on Avatar so holding it for long periods can lose you multiple casts

[lament steeple]

I don't hold on purpose, I just have it in an awful spot on my hb so I'm forgetting it exists

I think moving that a little more prominently and moving WW out of prime real estate will help since I only ever touch that when gathering adds anyway

[undone beacon]

The best place for whirlwind is off your bars entirely

[lusty grotto]

we dont use whirlwind

[undone beacon]

It’s not a spell for Prot yeah

[lusty grotto]

has 0 damage synergy with our talents

[undone beacon]

Nothing in the kit synergizes or interacts with it

[lusty grotto]

its just there for low level

[lament steeple]

It's been useful when I needed to grab void puddles that spawn behind me and I don't want to show back to boss

[lusty grotto]

before you get tclap

no

its not useful

[undone beacon]

Thunderclap does that but better

[lusty grotto]

if youre using it youre losing so much damage

[lament steeple]

Okay that makes sense

Goodbye ww

Got it

[undone beacon]

Into da trash

[lament steeple]

It does feel icky to press

[undone beacon]

Same with Rend if it’s on your bar too

[lament steeple]

No

[lusty grotto]

WW is just there to fill in for low levels when TC or revenge is not available

[lament steeple]

I took rend off my bar because all of my other casts give the rend proc anyway

[undone beacon]

I advocate for the removal of Hamstring as well but Nim disagrees with me there

[lusty grotto]

i dont disagree

i just find it useful to keep bound

[lament steeple]

I don't use Hamstring often

But I do have it in the deadzone of my hotbar

[undone beacon]

I don’t even bind it

It sits next to recuperate

lmao

[lament steeple]

Oh yeah it's not keybounf

I have to click it

[sharp gale]

I don’t have it on my hotbar at all

[lusty grotto]

click

?

oof

[lament steeple]

I have 3 hotbars with keybinds and 3 on the side for stuff I want but don't need enough to bind?

[undone beacon]

Nim you’re gonna ream me for this but I click some of my spells

[sharp gale]

Not even somewhere I can click, I never used hamstring

[lament osprey]

Nimchip, how much haste we need ish (minimum)

[undone beacon]

Some things don’t deserve a bind

[lament steeple]

Like mounts, toys, recuperate, racials..

[lusty grotto]

1188

[undone beacon]

I have mount bound, crazy not to

I hit Z, I mount up

[lusty grotto]

use opie

[undone beacon]

Easy game

[lament steeple]

I got 2 piece tier today

[undone beacon]

Fuuuuck me I need to set Opie back up

[lusty grotto]

nub

[lament steeple]

What's opie

[lament osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-smile-creepy-creepy-smile-smirk-gif-24584761

[sharp gale]

alt+button 5

[undone beacon]

Addon that lets you bind a bunch of stuff to a cool circle ui thing

[lament steeple]

Oh no fuck that

I no like that

[undone beacon]

Radial Binding

[lusty grotto]

so youd rather click from a bar?

[undone beacon]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/opie

[lusty grotto]

kinda wild

[lament steeple]

Y e s

[lusty grotto]

and you said you were headed into myth on tuesday?

[lament steeple]

No

We are doing heroic next week but we do myths after we get some gear

[sharp gale]

Why thumbnail circle has no useful spell you could put on it

[undone beacon]

Don’t ask me man I’m not Mr opie

[lusty grotto]

am i misunderstanding this?

[lament steeple]

It's not my first time doing mythic tanking I just started playing this char with any intent to understand it yesterday morning

[lusty grotto]

and you click a bunch of things?

[lament steeple]

Mounts? Recup?

[sharp gale]

Still funny he chose the worst possible example of his addon

[lament steeple]

95% of it is non combat

I just hate radial menus

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[lament steeple]

I use 3 rows of keybinds for combat stuff including my pots and a singular mount

[lusty grotto]

your screen must be super bloated

[sharp gale]

I do the same

[undone beacon]

To each their own Nim, you’ve seen my UI

[lusty grotto]

i hope you use mouseover hidden bars

[lament steeple]

No I have the entire center of my screen clear

No

I like that stuff on my screen

[sharp gale]

I just play with interface at 60% if I remember

[lusty grotto]

😬

[lament steeple]

I don't use any UI add ons except handy notes

I don't like them

They add the same info I already get in a more condensed format a second time and take more space on my screen

[lusty grotto]

you do you i guess

[undone beacon]

Oh wait that reminds me I told Guilford I’d share a video of one of our kills so he could hear my supple succulent voice and then I forgot

He’s prob asleep tho

[lament steeple]

But yes I've got a few weeks before mythic

I just suck now and don't want to suck by then

[lusty grotto]

just to make sure i have everything clear

[lament steeple]

I know I can do at least blue dmg if I fix fundamentals

[lusty grotto]

you started to play in TWW s3

[sharp gale]

I yap too much, I wouldn’t send a kill vid unless I’m forced

[lusty grotto]

and you've raided mythic on other tanks?

[lament steeple]

I did 6/8 M MFO

On vdh

Before patch

[lusty grotto]

just starting to play on that very same season?

[lament steeple]

I've played other mmos on tank for over 20 years before trying wow

Yep

[lusty grotto]

k

[sharp gale]

That’s pretty good

[lament steeple]

I'm brand new to wow, not tanking or mmos

[lusty grotto]

what other mmos

[lament steeple]

I almost got saladbar but couldn't find a group to get in so late in the tier but still before prepatch and gave up

[sharp gale]

Hello kitty adventure island 2

[lament steeple]

Started with EQ , did ulti/savage in XIV also

[lusty grotto]

ah the balance

[undone beacon]

SALADBAR

I’m going apoplectic

[sharp gale]

Not an EQ boomer

[lusty grotto]

which version of EQ

EQ1?

[lament steeple]

The only one I will acknowledge

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

what expansion

[lament steeple]

I am only old enough to have barely started in PoP

[undone beacon]

it’s salhadaar he may be a bitch ass poser but it’s still salhadaar grrrr

[lusty grotto]

ok well PoP was good enough

[sharp gale]

I miss him Pash

[lusty grotto]

but still EQ1 tanking is nothing like the other two

[lament steeple]

I know

But you asked

[lusty grotto]

blades of mercy taunt spam is the most outdated shit

[lament steeple]

Where i started

[lusty grotto]

and xiv tanks dont have offensive cds

[undone beacon]

There’s not good salhadaar gifs I must remediate that

[lament steeple]

Yes we did lol

[lusty grotto]

well i guess

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384936497685332019/1393346394357502173/Dodge.gif

[lament steeple]

I used to do parse runs over there

[lusty grotto]

but tank offensives in xiv dont have cdr

[lament steeple]

Some do

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

they are dead set

uhh

[lament steeple]

CDR got eliminated in last expac when they finally """fixed""" pally

Endwalker was cool but it killed so much class variety

[lusty grotto]

i dont remember fucking PLD having cdr on their combo

[sharp gale]

Goated story

[lament steeple]

And I quit because of dawntrail

[lusty grotto]

i still play it

and have since ARR

[lament steeple]

Husband convinced me to try wow instead

[undone beacon]

What is this FF bullshit we play WORLD OF WARCRAFT in this house

[lusty grotto]

shut up nerd

[undone beacon]

we have ANGER MANAGEMENT

[sharp gale]

Nerdy nerd

[undone beacon]

[calm bridge]

I'd agree but I enjoy both

[lament steeple]

Idk man you asked where I started tanking

I'm sorry;.;

[coarse bay]

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated

[lament steeple]

I just want to do less shit numbers before raid gets actually real

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated

[sharp gale]

Nim did they added new races in ff since endwalker ? I’m wondering what I will play the next time or catgirl again

[calm bridge]

After playing FFXIV, I got better at tanking in WoW Ironically

[lament steeple]

Nope...

[calm bridge]

they do it better imo

[lusty grotto]

no

[lament steeple]

XIV is harder mechs wise

[lusty grotto]

fuck no tanking in xiv is absolutely boring

[lament steeple]

So it Def didn't feel bad on that part here

But I just

I feel so dumb looking at warrior rotation

[sharp gale]

The common thing between ff and wow it seems

[lusty grotto]

especially after stormblood, there's very little shit thats engaging as a tank

[undone beacon]

Think of it less as a rotation and more of a priority system

[calm bridge]

just spam tf outta Ignore pain you'll be good

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone beacon]

Don’t do that

[lusty grotto]

bad advice

dont make me blast the wall of text

[calm bridge]

thats what I do I don't die much, my HPS reaches like 80K

[undone beacon]

Oh god you’re gonna make Nim blast the wall of text

[calm bridge]

hell yeah I am

[coarse bay]

[lament steeple]

I stay alive fine rn except when I got griefed by my cotank simply never getting alleria off me thankfully

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

he asked for it

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[calm bridge]

I completely ignore revenge too, unless I get a free one

[coarse bay]

Pease dont spread genuinely bad advice when newer players could be reading and trying to learn

[undone beacon]

^

[lusty grotto]

^^

[sharp gale]

^^^

[lusty grotto]

we're warriors not XIV's WAR

HPS does not matter to us

in this game

[calm bridge]

I'm fr though, I do basically just spam ignore pain and pull

[lusty grotto]

then im fr when i say

dont do that

read the wall of text

[undone beacon]

“Man why does prot do such shit damage”
The humble IP spam:

[lament steeple]

Listen I said my dmg was shit, not prots lol

[calm bridge]

I don't do bad damage either I get up to like 110K in M's so far

[lament steeple]

I probably overused IP regardless

[lusty grotto]

dont think pash was talking to you

[calm bridge]

no it's 100% me xD

[undone beacon]

I was referring to the general practice not calling you out

[lament steeple]

Lol you're good I'm sorry

I appreciate all the advice and tips fr

I don't want to grief in mythic

[nova rover]

Hey guys has anyone found a replacement for tiny threat?

[calm bridge]

I did copy the wall though, I'll add it to my collection of walls

[undone beacon]

Genuinely, it’s just not the right way to play. The beauty of wow is in a lot of content you can get away with playing very suboptimally and still get away with it, but in a place like this we don’t encourage spreading advice that leads to suboptimal play. We encourage people to play better. If someone just wants to spam ignore pain, this is not the place to discuss it. We don’t pay peoples subs, but we want to help them optimize and succeed

[lusty grotto]

yes over more than a decade, its called nameplates

and doing more damage as a tank

[sharp gale]

What is tiny threat

[lusty grotto]

i saw that once in details

[nova rover]

Tiny threat showed who had the highest threat on an add

[lament steeple]

Threat meter that used to be in details

[calm bridge]

A details addon that show threat

[lusty grotto]

its exactly what it sounds it is

[nova rover]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

a "threat meter"

relic of the past

[sharp gale]

I never knew it was a thing

[lusty grotto]

hasnt been relevant in well over 15 years or more

[lament steeple]

Omg my soul hunters kill wasn't logged I'm gonna cry

[calm bridge]

you have loggerhead?

[nova rover]

cant say Ive ever had problems with a prot warrior in threat, so not really an issue about that

[calm bridge]

my question is why do we play tanks for damage and not for tankiness

[lusty grotto]

because of threat

[lament steeple]

I play tanks for both

[nova rover]

Has to be a balance of both, gotta hit it hard enough to hate you, gotta be tanky enough to not die

[lusty grotto]

and because depending on the class, there's sufficient tankiness at a given point

the rest of the talents are either taken because specifically infinitely scaling content or pushing limits, or as a crutch

[lament steeple]

Also... you have to hit damage buttons too. May as well try to do it as optimally as reasonable

[undone beacon]

“Tank damage doesn’t matter” is a classic fallacy that leads to loss of aggro, bricked keys, and raid wipes

[lusty grotto]

so why not optimize damage if its a good player?

[calm bridge]

you guys would hate my build lol

[lusty grotto]

if you dont use the icy veins ones, yes we already do

[lament steeple]

I'm not even trying to opti yet tho tbh. I just need to get to passable

[lusty grotto]

dont post it

we dont wanna see it

[calm bridge]

I cannot stand icy veins

[lament steeple]

And greens are not passable

[lusty grotto]

too bad

[lament steeple]

Especially not in norms

[lusty grotto]

lucky for you, the builds are updated in #protection-faq as well

so no need to go to IV

[calm bridge]

it said my BiS item (On the BiS list and everything) Was F tier and I haven't trusted it since -_-

[lusty grotto]

BIS isnt really a thing

[sharp gale]

Yes

[lament steeple]

Oh yeah what are the stat breakpoints roughly

[sharp gale]

Normal parses should be easy if you are a myth raider

[lament steeple]

I think i need a bit more haste

[coarse bay]

Bis lists are something required by the websites. They arent something to actually go off of. Those sets are just one of the top simming gearsets.

[lusty grotto]

greens in normal at week 1 mean absolutely nothing

[lament steeple]

Yes, that's why I'm upset with my performance on this class

[lusty grotto]

orange, purple, whatever color

mean jack shit week 1

[undone beacon]

I’m tapping out goodnight gamers

[lusty grotto]

youre against RWF players that have 4pc day 3

[calm bridge]

that is quite annoying

[coarse bay]

Good night

[lusty grotto]

there are none

[lament steeple]

Oh

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

not in the first season of the exp

[calm bridge]

stats start DR at ~1300 rn

[lusty grotto]

no

[coarse bay]

Everything is handled by sims. Everyone’s gear and situation is different.

[sharp gale]

99 parses in normal or heroic doesn’t mean anything at every time of the patch, for a myth guild

[lusty grotto]

DR is well before that

but it does not matter

we ignore the DR

[calm bridge]

is that the cap then?

[lusty grotto]

there is no cap

you cannot ever get to secondary caps on the first season of an expansion

[lament steeple]

I think i used the wrong words for what I meant anyway

Let me try to ask less stupid

[lusty grotto]

there are no stat targets

prioritize haste

well

prioritize ilvl and then haste

and then whatever sims best

which is usually crit

[sharp gale]

Are you French nova ?

[lament steeple]

No?

I'm American

[calm bridge]

lol why french out of everywhere

[sharp gale]

Ok just curious bc stats breakpoints is such a widespread curse topic on my land

[calm bridge]

ahh

[lament steeple]

Okay so haste/crit is what I've been prioing with a little vers

[lusty grotto]

its an xiv thing too

[lament steeple]

No it's just a xiv thing and I'm dumb and new

[calm bridge]

disregard my previous question

[lusty grotto]

since you gear SkS and SpS for gcds

etc

[lament steeple]

Unfortunately I'm just a garden variety moron

[calm bridge]

tbh it could be worse

[lament steeple]

I'm ngl i don't actually know how to sim effectively

[undone beacon]

Stop being all self demeaning everyone starts somewhere

[lusty grotto]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

quick google

[undone beacon]

[calm bridge]

wish I had this when I needed to start simming -_-

[lament steeple]

Yes I've used that guide. I'm just really not sure i understand it even when I follow the steps

I don't get why but maybe I don't need to and can just accept it

[sharp gale]

/simc, paste in top gear on raibdot, and select what you search to compare, launch

[lament steeple]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

Sim what you have + what you can get soon/farm basically

[calm bridge]

thats fair, it's quite complicated, you need to parse the information it gives you and compare it to other scenarios, then based on that information, you can determine what gear would be best for you to farm

[lament steeple]

Rn I've just been focusing on full champ

I have 3 vet pieces left

[lusty grotto]

right now you just focus on ilvl > all

[sharp gale]

Keep stuff in your bags until they are obviously outdated ilvl etc

[undone beacon]

I can’t help myself
Simming essentially takes your character as input and runs thousands of iterations of a script that perfectly executes your rotation, then tells you the damage it did. By changing things like gear or talents, the damage output also changes, as such you use it to compare pieces of gear to see what actually results in more damage.

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

It literally simulates your character being played perfectly in a vacuum

CAM IM SORRY IM RESTLESS

[coarse bay]

[lament steeple]

Pash thank you but pls you said you gotta tap

I really appreciate the help

It can wait tho

[undone beacon]

[lament steeple]

I'm taking WW completely off my bar tomorrow

I'm happy I get to

[sharp gale]

Fury thane plays with ww on the bar it is cringe it deals more than regular abilities

[slender bison]

Hi, so is there an add-on to track DPS cooldowns?

[sharp gale]

sorry for the rant

[calm bridge]

tbf Nim, this is what I was told to do from someone in this channel so 🤷‍♂️

[calm bridge]

Blizzard CDM can do it

not an addon

[sharp gale]

Some ppl are bad in every channels, it is kinda hard to differentiate everyone

[slender bison]

I'm referring to DPS as people in the group

[calm bridge]

ohhh no

[slender bison]

So I can time pulls

[calm bridge]

not anymore as far as I'm aware

[sharp gale]

Maybe after the world first

[calm bridge]

I doubt it

[errant wagon]

Are y'all sending your 2nd spark craft yet?
I did a sword, witholding from shield since first boss of Mythic raid drops shield.

[sharp gale]

Since liquid addons seems to track everyone CDs maybe they will make it public

[calm bridge]

they seem pretty intent on keeping addons away

[lusty grotto]

no, but go for it i guess since i trust youre not using hero crests

[coarse bay]

Unless something very recently changed, no. They dont want us to be able to.

[errant wagon]

correct! yea might just throw wrists or something

[coarse bay]

Thats exactly why people shouldnt say stuff like that in here

[lusty grotto]

that'd be fine

[lusty grotto]

direct me as to whom

[calm bridge]

I dont' remember it was like 2 weeks ago

I will be keeping that wall though

[sharp gale]

Tldr press IP above 70 rage

That’s it

[calm bridge]

after a brief search through my sent messages(looking for a question I asked, that's why I came over) it appears it's been pushed too far back to find as well

[calm bridge]

so kinda like rampage for fury

only press over a certain amount of rage

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sharp gale]

Not really since you press rampage at low rage too

[calm bridge]

you're supposed to press it only over 100

[lusty grotto]

but unlike fury youre not maintaining uptime on IP

enrage = sb

[sharp gale]

There is 2 rampage in fury priority

[lusty grotto]

right

sb is the "maintain enrage" part of rampage

ip is the "use over x rage" part of rampage

if that makes more sense

[sharp gale]

But you are right, it serve the same function as rampage at 100 rage

[calm bridge]

ngl I forgot rampage set up enrage, but that does help

[sharp gale]

Rage dumping before overcap

[lusty grotto]

☝️

as prot you never want to rage starve or overcap

ever

always keep rage bouncing between 30 and 70

[calm bridge]

yeah, rage starvation sucks, in any spec

[sharp gale]

Kinda like bdk rune power

Overcap bad, 0 = you are dead

ofc the you are dead part will come in higher content

[lusty grotto]

you want the 30 rage in case you need to slap an SB, without SB we're dead

to be specific

but yeah essentially what happy is saying

[sharp gale]

Or you can always press revenge and not get gcd lock (when you can’t press anything)

[lusty grotto]

that too

but that's not as important

[sharp gale]

Both leads to death, SB sooner than gcd lock yes

[calm bridge]

should I be trying to keep uptime with it using Shield Charge as well?

[lusty grotto]

in a pinch only

SC is a nuke

dont hold it for SB uptime

[sharp gale]

Im not 100% on top of current prot rotation, but I use shield charge on cd, you shouldnot have an SB issue with heavy repercussion talented

[lusty grotto]

send it under offensive cds (avatar/demo shout)

but yeah on cd is fine

[calm bridge]

swaps to heavy repercussions may have forgotten that exsisted

[lusty grotto]

yes thats important

read this

#protection message

[calm bridge]

putting it on a choice node with Into the fray was rude

[lusty grotto]

no

it makes perfect sense to have it as a choice node

[sharp gale]

Heavy repercussion is kinda a needed design early in expansions

No 100% effective block uptime prot is miserable

[calm bridge]

yeah I just like having the extra haste at all times

[lusty grotto]

click the link and read

[calm bridge]

yeah I did, I also stole it for my collection of walls (wasn't kidding about having this lol)

[lusty grotto]

that changes from season to season btw

[calm bridge]

yeah, but it's good to hold onto anyways

[lusty grotto]

sorry from expansion to expansion

it might only change from season to season if there's a weird tweak to the talents

[calm bridge]

I knew what you meant lol, didn't read season until you corrected it xD

[sharp gale]

I don’t think they will change the node (HR mostly) for quite some time, unless they delete the choice (ITF)

[lusty grotto]

well they have nerfed ITF

HR not so much

[calm bridge]

what was it before?

[sharp gale]

Im too scarred by reprisal leggo from shadowlands, i think Blizzard got the memo, no cringe block uptime

[lusty grotto]

not recently

im just saying that its been done

[calm bridge]

oh ok, I thought I missed smthn since I tanked prot last xD

[mighty valley]

it’s more likely that tier sets give us sb uptime through some vector and affect the itf cutoff

[lusty grotto]

true

[ionic fern]

Get what sorted?

[edgy patrol]

Prot warr bis list says we are not using any crafts? Do we really not use embellishments? (wowhead)

[oblique abyss]

scroll down to embellishments

[edgy patrol]

so wep/shield and call it a day?

[ionic fern]

Avatar does not generate Rage anymore so you need to use some other ability after Charge to get Rage for SB. Maybe I misunderstood the question tho.

[ionic fern]

Weapon or Shield as your first craft if you do not have proper ones yet. Your end goal will be Arcanoweave on Bracers/Back.

[edgy patrol]

thank you

[compact silo]

since avatard doesnt remove roots anymore, do we have any form of root cleanse outside the demolisher charge talent?

[jagged pier]

nope

[compact silo]

this is sad. alexa, play despacito

[pallid quiver]

we do at least have access to snare removal not tied to a damage CD now, at least, with the Berserker Rage talent

[jagged pier]

yer if it worked on anything

[cerulean tusk]

it doesnt even remove snares, only slows

Roots = you cant move or be moved, snares = you cant move, but can be moved, slows = your movement is reduced up to 100%

Why does the difference matter?

Because ppl keep rooting my grip target! Especially stupid warriors and their charge!

[pallid quiver]

oof, i thought i remembered reading snares and slows, that sucks

at least proper snares are generally pretty rare compared to standard roots and slows

[jagged pier]

Well the talent says all movement speed-impairing effects

But it literally clears very little

[near wave]

Hey guys, sorry if im being slow but i need some help regarding what to craft, i looted a hero-track weapon and was thinking "let's craft shield", but then when myth crests come out, what should i prioritize? recrafting shield to myth or crafting a myth weapon?

[ivory barn]

Did you use heroic crests on the shield?

If you aren't doing mythic I'd go shield first

[true cove]

I crafted 272 1h and wrists (both with embelishments)

Wrists because it's an item with least stats, like cloak and waist

[maiden ravine]

You can always play gnome for escape artist. It's honestly a great racial

[sonic moat]

Nullaeus rank2 - Mountain thane or colo?

[jovial holly]

I did it on thane

[fathom oasis]

I hate when they use the word snare instead of slow or root

[cerulean tusk]

[fathom oasis]

I never know if a snare is a root or a slow, and I feel like different games use that word differently

[cerulean tusk]

Well, a snare is not a root or a slow

[fathom oasis]

Shroeddinger's snare

[jovial steeple]

hey gang, wowhead tells me, i should craft Haste/crit on 1h/Shield? is crit > vers ?

[cerulean tusk]

Snare = You cant move (as with a root), but you can be moved (by knocks, grips, so on)
Root = You cant move or be moved
Slow = you can move, but slowed

[fathom oasis]

[cerulean tusk]

Generally speaking crit is seen as more valuable, yep. Tho mastery and vers aint too far behind, especially when it comes to being a tonk tonk

The CC system makes sense, if blizz was consistent with it

[fathom oasis]

Many if not most spells that had the word snare on them had it changed to either movement impairing effects or slowing effects

[cerulean tusk]

Anything marked as "snare" or "root" is not removed by berserker, just slows - and not slows that are tagged as debuff, not with a slow tag but another like 'curse'

Tho we can remove curses that are marked as slow

tldr: they havent updated their tags, and never will. So you must figure it out on a case to case basis

[fathom oasis]

Fun times

[sand condor]

Aye gang

Another day, another zug zug

[solid sun]

Jordan hit us with some early heroic week 1 stats

Frost mage is the most popular dps spec and arms is the least

Brew is the most popular tank and vdh is the least

Resto Druid is the most popular healer and disc is the least

[coral quartz]

Guys I have a heroic track wep is it a bad move to upgrade it and craft a shield or should I craft wep

[tribal wharf]

last night ran spires

frost mage zooted out of his mind

someone i think him missed the hook for duo boss, , he called my character a pumpkinman ( i am quite round and orange in game, with som orange trinket effects), and then he didnt understand the final boss jump pad mechanic

i only really look at the class and not so much the spec

just some guyt doing his thing

[ionic fern]

What lvl is your shield?

[jagged pier]

@lusty grotto

[lofty warren]

In st if you have tb and ss available, which one should be preased?

[jagged pier]

another 8

still not wep or shield

[coral quartz]

It’s vet track currently

[jagged pier]

must be nice

[coral quartz]

Vet track, and I won’t really be doing mythic first boss any time soon

[tribal wharf]

tb first in any number of enemies

empowered tc

many such reasons

[lofty warren]

Icy veins says ss over tb tho?

[solid sun]

SS is our highest prio ability

In single target anyways

[coral quartz]

Even during avatar as mt

Didn’t think it was during av window

[solid sun]

I don’t see a special blurb on icy veins about avatar

But it shows shield slam over tb in the priority list

And I reckon the explanation coupled with the shield slam priority line is why

Tc and other abilities can reset shield slam

So ideally shield slam is on cd when you press other abilities

[coral quartz]

There is bit around mt and avatar and 2+ targets where TB is best

[solid sun]

I said single target

In aoe tb overtakes shield slam

And if you’re aggroing new mobs your aoe tools take priority over shield slam to gain aggro

[solid sun]

You aren’t saying anything different than me

[brisk lion]

Whats the play for Fury doing Nullaeus and how do we deal with the ticks in int2?

[solid sun]

This is the prot channel

[brisk lion]

woops!

[solid sun]

Silly goose

[tribal wharf]

more reloads more pings more reloads

which just makes the loop tighter (haste)

[delicate bay]

Hello ! i'm kinda new to warrior tank and i wonder, what is on rotation to maximise dps on raid boss ?

Do you use shield block while behind the off tank for the bonus dps ?

[sand condor]

If you have the rage

Yeah

[delicate bay]

i do prio shield slam => thunderclap => revenge

[near wave]

haven't crafted anything yet, and probably wasn't thinking of using hero crests on shield, rather use myth when that's released

am also not gonna be mythic raiding reliable

[delicate bay]

i feel like i could do a better dps idk

[tribal wharf]

tbh i have no idea if i can do 10s or whatever the weekly is

so i may just send on hero, if thats ever an option for me