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tribal wharf
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these are the trinkets i have as of now, but i am infamous amongst this server and channel for trinket defendering and hoarding

willow delta
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quick question from someone that isn't regularly tanking: Is it normal that you need to be nearly perfect with shield block now if you don't want it to drop off?

tribal wharf
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any trinket is i try it

tribal wharf
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thats the rule around here, if i can equip it, and i get it, i will try it

narrow thicket
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Shield block = damage

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increases shield slam damage

willow delta
# lusty grotto what do you mean

If I use shield block like 3-5s before it runs out, combo with shield charge eventually obviously, I tend to end up with like 5+ seconds without any option for shield block eventually

lusty grotto
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oh btw the reason its not mentioned is because den is not in this season, so you cant get higher ilvl of it

lusty grotto
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and make sure you swap

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if outside of raids only

tribal wharf
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i would only let shield block fall when there is non elite adds only around

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and weak ones

willow delta
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oh thank you, should have looked there first I guess sorry duh

lusty grotto
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if you are ITF, its hurting you in dungeons

tribal wharf
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like trash monster rather

lusty grotto
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youre good

tribal wharf
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on add have to keep sb active

willow delta
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thanks for that !

lofty warren
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I updated vet weapon to 6/6 and tghen when i go to upgrade champ I didnt get discount. why not

narrow thicket
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Sim can't sim the buff from permafrost essence lol

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I just tried it

lusty grotto
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ok ill look into it later

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but still once again it does not drop in the season

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so its a non factor

tribal wharf
lusty grotto
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you will replace it

tribal wharf
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RIP

lofty warren
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what do i need to do to get discount on crest upgrade

tribal wharf
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that weapon is no-beauno

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u dont have str from weapon and will have to find/use a replacement asap

lofty warren
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wtf

tribal wharf
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that scepter of endless night you have is perfect

lofty warren
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WHAT. DO.I.NEED.TO.DO.TO.GET.CHAMP.CRESH.DISCOUNT.PLS

tribal wharf
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i dont know either why it doesnt work that way

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cuz i item restored the agi axe from yesterday to get discount from crest vendor.... NOP

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now i got the gold for it at least

warm plinth
solid sun
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Good evening ghash

lusty grotto
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@daring marlin

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mount gang

toxic pewter
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just lead the raid and downed final boss

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perhaps I should make my own raids going forward

daring marlin
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let's go

pallid quiver
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wait

toxic pewter
lusty grotto
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luerce?!

daring marlin
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UNFORTUNATE

lusty grotto
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LOL

pallid quiver
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and then i click in to a fighting game server at random just to be terrorized smh

lusty grotto
ebon geyser
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lmao... thsi was my chest ...

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just gained a whooping 49ilvls

indigo pendant
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voidspire last boss: thane or slayer angle boys

lusty grotto
indigo pendant
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oh shit wendys my bad

lusty grotto
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no slayers here

cerulean tusk
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Hoy

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Lier, yet again

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gladge this lying rat

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Doesnt deserve that hat

lofty warren
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whats a slayer? is that a talent some streamer is using?

lusty grotto
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we are undercover slayers cat

lofty warren
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link me banned streamer talent setup

sharp gale
tribal wharf
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i almost want to play it

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that set is cuz unholy + looks good

toxic pewter
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looks good

warm plinth
daring marlin
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worst part of seat is you can't fly

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this place sucks

lusty grotto
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wym

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just use the portal room in silvermoon

daring marlin
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not being able to fly on argus sucks

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idc if it's like 2 steps away

lusty grotto
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lol

undone beacon
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why is seat tele right there by skyreach is like a mile away

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dumb shit

winged oar
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a day late but i fuckin did it boys!

lusty grotto
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gz

warm plinth
autumn heron
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Is US hall of fame not full yet ?

undone beacon
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It is

lusty grotto
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both are as of this morning

undone beacon
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It was full early this morning

tribal wharf
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i kind of want to do LFR but i only have blue 237 2h

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not 2 of them, so cant do fury

daring marlin
tribal wharf
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arms tho lol

weary vault
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Boys are we running only one apex?

daring marlin
lusty grotto
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always 4/4

weary vault
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simming it now

lusty grotto
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thats not what we recommend here

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sims will yield 4/4

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they did before

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they will now

weary vault
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okay yeah I thought I wasn't crazy its 10% dps increase

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my b

wooden dove
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is there a "what to do this week" list somewhere?

kind urchin
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WCL is showing all apex at 1/4

lusty grotto
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it is what it is

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still not our recommendation

shadow fog
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is there a spell reflect sheet made yet?

lusty grotto
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its not updated yet but you can find one in mnaxroll

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maxroll sorry

shadow fog
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👍 ty

winged oar
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damn I regret using my sparks this week now that I have the 90 hero crests lol, coulda upgraded the wep

mighty valley
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LFR fights frequently end with one tank and one healer scrapping out the last 5% of the boss, just go in there at least half-awake and you're doing your part

toxic pewter
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i only inv 250+ ilvl to my lfr raid

daring marlin
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lol

toxic pewter
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effectively vote them out

ivory barn
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bro the skybox after the last boss dies is... something else

toxic pewter
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like i do /rw YO VOTE X GUY OUT HE ONLY ILV L232

undone beacon
daring marlin
undone beacon
toxic pewter
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is the 400 champ weekly cap on purpose or wat

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im not complaining but

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seems much higher

fresh moth
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How’s prot looking this tier? Mained one for ages but went brew but got the itch to pick up the shield

daring marlin
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It won't be 400 every week I'm sure

mighty valley
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and has barely changed, so prot lifers are doing a-ok

arctic citrus
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joinin big boys! Prot op ❤️

ivory barn
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gratz!

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its T8 delve map is the same as a T11 delve map right?

tropic star
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so you can spell reflect the ret pally boss tank buster?

orchid mural
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Could someone describe the tank swap / tank debuff on vorasius in simple words -.-

ivory barn
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delve map, fun game

outer willow
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Got a shield finally

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Are you guys spending cata charges?

tropic star
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at least thts how we did it

pastel sleet
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any suggestions for good addons to track co tanks stacks. or boss stacks?

dusky canopy
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1033 haste in raid @lusty grotto xD

undone beacon
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First night of raiding on shadow priest done

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I did quite mediocre

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Hoorah

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I held CDs during Chimaerus intermission and i guess that was a mistake sadgers

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Tanking these fights seem pretty involved tho, thats cool

lusty grotto
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how the fuck do you tank swap on twin dragons

mystic cave
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intermission

lusty grotto
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uhh

mystic cave
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thats what we are doing at least

lusty grotto
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what about swapping on gloom casts and just shoot it inside

mystic cave
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now that might be tech

lusty grotto
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well it might be rough in heroic

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im only doing normal atm

mystic cave
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our first pull normal i just tanked one the whole time

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was getting punched but no die, bear was getting cranked

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second pull we swapped in intermission and kill

ivory barn
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so I just need 60 mythic crests for a mythic weapon?

undone beacon
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yeah on normal swap in intermission is very fine, on heroic its a bit more scuffed

mystic cave
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can probably swap after the breath/orb frontal maybe

undone beacon
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This talent has me fucked up man

outer willow
ivory barn
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30

outer willow
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Ok I was like wtf

toxic pewter
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prot pala's apex literally doing uncapped top dam

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meanwhile we over here KICKIN DIRT for like 7th place dam

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LOL

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is this real life

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prot pala whispering me laughing at me saying phalanx is a joke

ivory barn
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how to level delve journey?

toxic pewter
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doing bountiful delves basically

undone beacon
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Do bountiful delves yeah

ivory barn
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ah so just spam 8's?

outer willow
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Man you guys make me feel like I’m not doing enough. I’ve just been doing m0 but you chads are doing delves and raiding too?

mystic cave
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bountiful 8s give champ track

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gotta get that ilvl

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nightmare prey too

mighty valley
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If you can do m0, you can do the other stuff

outer willow
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Nightmare prey I’m down for. Does that give hero?

mystic cave
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champ

outer willow
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Rgr

outer willow
mighty valley
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You can always catch up, don't stress out

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Just play the stuff you feel like playing

mystic cave
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yeah most of it is irrelevant in 2 weeks cause of m+

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just sweaty min maxing

outer willow
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You right. Going to Disney this weekend I’ll be back right at the start of the m+ season

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Ty homies

mystic cave
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Np np, as long as you can do 10s you get hero track gear so all this is just to make the climb to that easier

outer willow
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I want that 10 loot! Gonna push hard this season so I can relax at 3k

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Maybe try healing

ivory barn
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making Valeera a dps is so fucking dangerous

pastel summit
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Ain't need no healer.

ivory barn
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yeah and doing that levels Valeera quite quick appearently holy

outer willow
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Anyone notice the ! in our set piece?

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They were so excited for us

ivory barn
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wait they took that talent away just to give it back as the fucking tier piece

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LOL

outer willow
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You're WELCOME

undone beacon
warm plinth
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We got most of the talent baked in

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It was 20% damage, grants shield block, and grants Revenge!

undone beacon
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"Imperator Averzian
Averzian now says “know your place” less often."

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lmao

kindred saddle
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Hi can anyone share talent build after apex talent changes?

undone beacon
kindred saddle
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Thankss mam

undone beacon
kindred saddle
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Damn no more indomitable and battle scarred veteran. Feels bad

lusty grotto
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you can swap TaN for BSV

copper cipher
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Kinda new to warrior, are we able to skip that wind tunnel thing in skyreach? Wasn’t having much luck with leap

kindred saddle
lusty grotto
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you just cant do it like the old version

lusty grotto
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other talent swaps could be bloodborne or enduring alacrity (but you better watch SB uptime if you do)

undone beacon
# lusty grotto no

if you walk around the outer edge like normal you can leap to the stairs but you still have to do part of the wind tunnel

lusty grotto
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yeah that one works

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just not the old school straight to the stairs

remote ocean
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can we reflect or mitigate this bs somehow?

lusty grotto
remote ocean
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heroic

dusky canopy
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Night one haul pretty solid

lusty grotto
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you gotta tank swap

remote ocean
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ah. i see.

dusky canopy
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Idr exactly but I think I still have 120 champ crests left to farm too haha

lusty grotto
dusky canopy
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Glgl!

lusty grotto
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its just normal heh

daring marlin
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better late than never for null

lusty grotto
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gaze dropped in normal

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big rolls, lost but i cant complain i got normal tier shouldies

lusty grotto
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sorry thats not gonna happen youre a pink ass bitch

daring marlin
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damn bro

lusty grotto
daring marlin
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oof

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I'm gonna play my warrior sheesh

lusty grotto
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ok that was harsh

daring marlin
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but only arms

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prolly

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and prot

tight mural
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Got through normal and first 3 heroic tonight. Dragon positioning is weird. Also all fking night stupid unhalted unit frames was just not showing my focus (cotanks) debuffs despite testing them before hand.

lusty grotto
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i had a weird issue on the otherside part of chimearus where nameplates were just not clickable

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but yeah dragon swaps are old school swaps

daring marlin
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shit was crazy

lusty grotto
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honestly just swap at intermission like Adeptt said, or maybe try to work it on glooms

tight mural
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Yup we only got three pulls in tonight. Full day tomorrow still

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Decent fights. Not the best, not the worst

daring marlin
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lack of m+ getting to me tbh

lusty grotto
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its gonna suck for me

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i only have tuesday to do keys

daring marlin
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gone next week

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qq

lusty grotto
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yeah

daring marlin
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this null toy is fucking sick

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wtf

lusty grotto
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what null toy

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fyi you can block the soak on chimaerus (the physical portion, only of course)

daring marlin
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the one from the quest to kill him

lusty grotto
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oh?

daring marlin
lusty grotto
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oh shit it does look sick

daring marlin
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It just procs when you stand still

lusty grotto
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ye i used it

pastel sleet
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any suggestions for good addons to track co tanks stacks. or boss stacks?

lusty grotto
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naowh qol is free (no sub needed for this one, its standalone from his UI)

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and has a tank frame

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im sure other QoL addons have them too

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maybe even the Northern Sky one

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im sure marking tanks up also works

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if you have stand alone tank frames

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with like a decent raid frame addon or whatever

bronze wraith
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Gloom-splattered dreadscale is absolutely cracked.

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It is so good and does massive shields I feel

lusty grotto
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yeah its a good trinket

opal ledge
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prot war is so tank compared to prot paladin...
on nulleaus, prot paladin takes like 1 hit k.o. from the physical hit, prot war takes like 20% hp with just shield block(100% uptime)

daring marlin
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took the talents that gave shield on them and buffed avenger's shield damage

opal ledge
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did you soloed it on prot paladin?

daring marlin
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yep

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hardest part was the tankbuster easily

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I tried with sentinel but ended up going back to crit wings

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anyway I wanna do it on my warrior to see how funny it is

opal ledge
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did u used lightsmith or templar?
idk in my paladin i just get wrecked, its super easy on warrior

daring marlin
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templar

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in final phase I had to rotate CDs and just ignored the ogre

lost yacht
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Does anyone know if prot warriors execute is actually scaling right? Ive been having my executes hit for 4k to 10k. Meanwhile having revenges hit for 20k to 80k

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Is there a bug with prot warriors execute or is it just me?

jagged pier
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No thats execute

jagged pier
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U dont really press it

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Mwahi can tell you the exact condition when to press it

ionic fern
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At 8am?? But moooooooom...

jagged pier
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Half 6 where i am i can barely think kekW

lost yacht
jagged pier
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Better u than me , (i also dont know the silly condition)

lost yacht
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Noice >.> so gotta wait til they unfuck us noice.

ionic fern
# lost yacht Okay so why does it suck atm? I feel like its not scaled appropriately atm

Because of what Jakey said. They made Execute hit like a wet noodle baseline. As MT it is still more or less usable due to the +25 % damage buff it gains from the Hero tree,but you only cast it on ST if both SS and TC are on CD.
For Colossus you only think about using Execute if you have DW talented. Without DW you unbind Execute from your bars. This is the "user friendly" version of it.

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This illustrates the damage numbers between using execute with various talents and not using it at all.

lost yacht
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Thank you for that

pallid shell
jagged pier
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Dps specs

glacial ridge
versed galleon
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so do we always press shield slam if we can? or does the mountain thane abilit take priority?

jagged pier
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Always ss

versed galleon
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what if my button for ss is mapped to a gun aimed at my hed

jagged pier
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U press it

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End your suffering

viscid lantern
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Hello guys, serious question here. Our war tank plays with x2 defensive trinks or x1 dmg x1 defensive trinket. I sugested him to follow the guides aka play with dmg trinks due to (dmg = more , things die faster , also crit favors parry , mastery favors block etc etc) Am i fking wrong and thats just for m+ or its like this also in raids? He seems a little big stuborn....

ionic fern
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You would only swap to defensive trinkets if the situation requires it. nodders

charred ivy
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Im considering try tank raid . Only did mplus and manage fine there. But any tips of how to keep track of when to taunt and all this stuff? Abit different as you play with other tank

cerulean tusk
jagged pier
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Taunts also happen at the same time every fight

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So it become muscle memory anyway

cerulean tusk
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DBM lady says 'Taunt'

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I taunt

charred ivy
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My dbm never say anything she lazy. I guess some setting

cerulean tusk
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To be fair, maybe taunt lady cant say taunt anymore, new changes and all that

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Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaakey

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Do taunt lady still say taunt?

jagged pier
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I dont know ive never heard her say taunt i play without sound

jagged pier
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Also im not raiding this season. Im belping my guild with hc and normal so they get more loots but that means im dps and not paying attention to anything

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So cant really tell yah anyway cause i wouldnt know ither way

cerulean tusk
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Meh, either way you can just remove all mechanics from the DBM timebar, other than the taunt mechanic, and just taunt after it happens

heavy sparrow
jagged pier
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I mean what first boss is on add spawn, second is there on?, third when tank runs away, dragons there isnt one, paladins on jugment, dreamrift boss when the other goes in

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Not sure on alleria

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Didnt do it

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I guess judgement is the only 1 u cant see really

heavy sparrow
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I'm glad we have another bloodhound mech for the tank homies to have an us vs them arithmetic

cerulean tusk
# charred ivy Im considering try tank raid . Only did mplus and manage fine there. But any tip...

So with this an example, I know I need to taunt swap around these stacks, so basically hold boss for 20 sec - your cotank will taunt off when stacks falls off. Then maybe there is a need to taunt swap during the weakended state as well, but yeah - not very complex, stuff.

So all you need to track there is yourself and your state. "Do I have stacks? Am I tanking? If no, taunt." then if the mechanic requires it "Is my cotank weakened? If yes, taunt." tho most likely he will just pop CDs to live that space of time while your own stacks reset.

So track the conditionals, by having your co-tank as your focus target is a neat way, to see their situation and your own.

Most fights got clear "why you taunt" mechanics. Often a mix of "X time has passed" (application of a debuff) or during "X condition has been met" (boss and/or adds spawn, that causes one tank to want to focus on one or the other). The 'hardest' mechanic usually being one where the boss chains a tankbuster combo, that requires you to notice what part of the combo is coming and what parts that cant overlap. Usually a "I do 1 attack, scary, 2nd attack is random type 1 or type 2, where you taunt if boss is casting type 2 - not if type 1"

So tldr:
Do your homework of checking the dung journal, spot the tank mechanic. Then with your co-tank, discuss how and when you want to do things. Do some light adaption on the fly as you progress, and finally solidify into a set strat.

Whispering your co-tank is your best tool in the arsenal, so remember to do it. Always - even in PuGs - whisper your cotank with a 'hello, [either a futher greeting, or a question about the fight]". Lifehack: Ask him a question you know he knows the answer to, even if you already know, to have him like you more from the getgo.

magic trench
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Is there a source to see tank mitigation for each tank? Like we have sims for dps. I’d like to have an overview of which tank spec has the most damage mitigation

jagged pier
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Its us

cerulean tusk
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Dont need to ask, it is warrior

jagged pier
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Because of class design

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But no, is the answer to your question

pastel geyser
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We’re the only tank that basically mitigates through the damage with nearly no selfhealing

waxen moat
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I want to sim my dwarf prot warrior for delves, to optimize damage. I play mainly for story (story mode raid yay !) and casual content, only doing delves/prey and occasionally a M+2 in fury for hero vault.

Which model would you recommand I use on raidbots for the sim ?

cerulean tusk
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As ST dam scenarios is where you going to be stuck the longest, I would just sim for that

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Honestly, at that level, just play however you feel it gives the best good vibes

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(I say, as I vibe play the top1% content)

buoyant sparrow
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Question: while leveling should I use a dps spec for speed? I feel like while I’m immortal I’m just killing slowly.

cerulean tusk
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whatever u feel like doing is the correct choice

lofty warren
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EHRPS sim

sharp gale
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I read herpes sim idk why

drowsy comet
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Now i like Preys even more, yes I may be a dick for stealing other ppls traps, because im simply faster, but i dont give a FUCK keks

frosty otter
frosty otter
hardy snow
frosty otter
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Mob grouping question... for things like dream rift, when you go down, whats the best way to group the mobs? Just auto the minis on your way to big mob? Let someone grip them all? Spam taunt on them as you head to big one?

hardy snow
drowsy comet
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Mhmm interesting monkahmm

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time to be even more of a dick

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oh wait, I did all Preys already. Then its next week

sharp gale
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Go war mode and kill ppl getting ambushed by their prey

hardy snow
drowsy comet
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do they give any rewards?

drowsy comet
hardy snow
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yes, you can choose between crests, prey currency, marls or something

drowsy comet
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woohoo void marl!!

lofty warren
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dwelve maps drop from any random 8+?

jagged pier
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Yer or u buy the itrm

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To spanw the boss that drops the mal

lofty warren
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item name

solid sun
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Jakey when are we joining forces to get title on NA

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I know m+ is your fave

torn gulch
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to get the map

torn gulch
lofty warren
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if i didnt touch any prey can I get all the way to mythic pray now

lofty warren
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rip

torn gulch
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your only options are either 5k undercoins or pray it drops

hardy snow
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there is also quest for 3 nightmare preys that gives one delve map

formal horizon
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hey how much ilvl would i need to tank m0?

torn gulch
hardy snow
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ah sry, mea culpa

jagged pier
torn gulch
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because tehnically ?? is a delve on it's own

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I need to do ?? on druid as well for those crests

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On my warrior the map dropped and I have the beacon of hope as well

drowsy comet
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The raid has just released lol

glad magnet
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seems reasonable for a week 1 heroic pug

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im more concerned with their mental if they're taking an arms

drowsy comet
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fr XD

warm plinth
drowsy comet
torn gulch
tribal wharf
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I nearly rage quit over that agility axe, in moment I realized I was about 3 seconds away from uninstall

solid sun
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“Underperformance ciao”

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Isn’t ciao good-bye lol

tribal wharf
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Can be yes

solid sun
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I’m totally gonna start saying that now

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UNDERPERFORMANCE CIAO

tribal wharf
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Spanish or Chinese i think is ciao

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+4
"Ciao" originates from the Venetian phrase s-ciào vostro, which literally meant "I am your slave" or "I am at your service".

solid sun
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I think it’s Italian

tribal wharf
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Well then

solid sun
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I guess it’s both hi and bye

tribal wharf
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I saw that as well

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But I was curious origin

solid sun
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How is it both???

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That’s so confusing

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Are you saying hi to me or are you telling me to go away

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It’s gotta be how you say it

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Ciao disdainfully means go away

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Ciao with a smile means hello beautiful

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Yogi and Rhino learning words

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Look at us go

drowsy comet
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is there like a portal room to TP to the seasonal dungeons or how do groups get there without flying endlessly to them?

torn gulch
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yes in silvermoon behind the crafting order npc

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it's labeled portal to the timeways

drowsy comet
torn gulch
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yes

drowsy comet
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ahh okay

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tyty

tribal wharf
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yes, it wil have both the zone you are teleporting to

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with the dungeon name

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so you really truly cant get lost doing it this time round

marble cipher
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Trinket list on wowhead is listing Alngazer and Heart of Ancient Hunger as S tier.
However, none of them are outsimming the renown trinket at equal ilvl, is the renown trinket not simming correctly, or are the other trinkets better once they are hero track and higher than the champ renown trinket?

tribal wharf
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so, also, i was asking about addons and how they are handled now

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cuz some of them say "incompatible" and others say "disabled"

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which i assume is essentially, very loosely "the graveyard and exile, zones. in a card game such as mtg/ygo"

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like one category is its just dead and the other is its SUPER dead

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i had some "spell announcer" addon, which original came from like patch 5.3 and then i guess it got updated for tww maybe bc that was what the curseforge was listing it as was like 11.5 or something

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and now it says incompatible

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and i read something along lines of blizzard doesnt want us to do addons that spam chat or type automatically and icon marker mobs very rapidly

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so, i have no idea on what the changes are, is what im saying

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wait disabled is just its turned off

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im going to figure this out and try to delete the ones that arent loaidng

lusty grotto
twilit inlet
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Hello,
I have this macro to target and taunt:

/targetexact Target1
/cast Taunt

How can I adjust this if Target1 does not exist to target Target 2?

marble cipher
lusty grotto
marble cipher
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Will do, thanks!

lusty grotto
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a hero drums is a decent trinket

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tumor is an aoe trinket so it kinda makes sense, especially since youre already high crit

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high compared to the rest of your stats, i mean

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at 6/6 vet alnseer isnt gonna beat them

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primary stat will generally be better

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that changes on later seasons of the expansion though

marble cipher
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Fair, good explanation, thanks a lot

lusty grotto
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for now the only sim bait that im aware of is an enchant

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the spore one

mint shadow
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has anyone noticed any weird aggro behavior? in delves. lots of mobs turning to attack other people, especially pets, with no change to plater nameplate behavior and no real reason to have lost aggro, almost like a fixate but with no indicators of a fixate. in dungeons sometimes i feel like i'll charge into a pack and with everyone pretty far away, some will turn immediately to run to the group before i get a TC off, seems like with proximity, they shouldnt beeline for the group

lusty grotto
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no

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in delves, shadowguard had the one with the beasts, so they just agro those, and thats normal

mint shadow
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huh, wonder if it's a latency issue or something, just seems a bit off.

lusty grotto
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the only thing i noticed last night on reclears was that the lothraxion cleave is festering-like

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i.e. it hits the closest target

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but no outstanding agro issues

daring marlin
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clearing out m0 so fun

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seat only mildly annoying one in certain areas

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place is gonna suck in M+

mint shadow
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boss mechanics werent as tough as i expected, never played legion, but theres gonna be a lot of room for screw ups

daring marlin
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ye

mint shadow
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a lot of personal responsbility on the fights

ivory barn
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What would the fastest way to get mythic crests be this week? T11 delve

lusty grotto
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no

mint shadow
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you have to get to journey 4 before mythic crests drop in delve

lusty grotto
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there is no fastest way to get myth crests this week

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wait for next week

mint shadow
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thats like 16k journey and each bountiful delve drops like ~300-500 journey

ivory barn
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Damn, wanted to juice a crafted weapon because I'm able to make a T5, RL said wait to see if you get a vault weapon lol

lusty grotto
ivory barn
tight mural
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does anyone know if there's any co-tank addons out there that are working for voidspire? essentially just an easy way to see cotanks current raid debuffs?

daring marlin
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last week

hoary sluice
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hey guys. so, sorry if this seems like a stupid question. been playing wow since WotLK, but decided to start tanking this xpac. had a question about my rotation. If I don't spend rage on Ignore Pain, I spend it on revenge instead correct? And shield slam/thunder clap have priority over revenge yes?

ivory barn
lusty grotto
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should have the answers you need, YnzerGod

ivory barn
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Meh, my prot set allows me to pull dungeons to a not care state so 💪

daring marlin
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idk how people in heroic raid are doing 40k dps

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honestly put on OBA at that point buddy

drowsy comet
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man I can definetly see why tanks need to slow the fuck down, as a healer it gets quite challenging to keep you alive lmao

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worse if the tank forgets mobs and gets the healer killed lol

lusty grotto
daring marlin
lusty grotto
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i dont see that number as too high

daring marlin
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on a target dummy boss that does nothing

lusty grotto
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oh shrug i did 30k last night on normal but i still have an adventurer weapon

daring marlin
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these are dps

lusty grotto
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oh lmao

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tbf maybe they dont know the fight

ivory barn
drowsy comet
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healing myself rn, i dont care how big the pull is, aslong as the tank is able to tank it and I can heal the group

tight mural
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i did 44.5k last night as prot on h vorasius

hoary sluice
lusty grotto
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no

drowsy comet
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just had a brew gnome in windrunners atleast 35 mobs and he was playing perfectly to a point I barely had to heal him

lusty grotto
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you never skip IP

hoary sluice
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ok

lusty grotto
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using IP is key to rage use

tight mural
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more rage spent = more anger management

lusty grotto
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and rage use means more avatars

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and more shield walls

drowsy comet
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brew self heal is quite strong

hoary sluice
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sorry if this seems dumb. never tanked a day in my life after 16 years of this lol. so it feels new again lol

lusty grotto
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youre good, its not dumb at all

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thats why were here for

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not talk about healers

ivory barn
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Never a dumb question here LETSGOOO

lusty grotto
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and keeping up with tanks

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COUGH COUGH

knotty crystal
lusty grotto
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treats will auto taunt

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thats normal

hoary sluice
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lol well i appreciate the help. so regardless, it's the 70+ rage rule, got it

tight mural
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it feels counterintuitive, cause ip doesn't directly do damage and revenge does

knotty crystal
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Ahh okay. Didn't know that. Annoying tho

lusty grotto
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yeah very annoying

hoary sluice
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my parses were fair, but they could have been better. so just trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong. which if that's the rule, a lot lmao

lusty grotto
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no idea why they put the dumb taunt back

ivory barn
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I generally keep 30+ for block, outside that its damage/IP

lusty grotto
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should be more impacting that anything else

hoary sluice
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uptime on....? or just damage uptime in general?

lusty grotto
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as in, hit your gcds, dont miss em, try your best to be in melee range most of the time outside of mechanics that you absolutely need to run away from

solid sun
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What are y’all seeing in your m0s for tank and dps damage

lusty grotto
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you can focus on the other stuff, but usually just not hitting the boss is what kills parses

hoary sluice
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i think I parsed a 77 on fallen king, like 50s-60s on the first two. averaged like 30-35k dps i think. not horrid for a first time raid as a tank, but i'd like to improve for sure

hoary sluice
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well the IP rule will definitely help i think

lusty grotto
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be careful with parse numbers on day 1-3

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they mean nothing

hoary sluice
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because i was definitely doing that wrong

lusty grotto
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the leaderboards arent full, not enough logs, not enough sampling size, etc

hoary sluice
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oh yeah they'll change an insane amount

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just wanted to see early on how it was comparing. but yeah as the weeks go it'll be totally different than it is now

ivory barn
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M+ shouldn't be capped next week right?

lusty grotto
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capped how

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crests are always capped

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until turboboost

hoary sluice
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nope it's the real start

ivory barn
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Like in previous it was capped at a certain dungeon level

lusty grotto
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no

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that aint a thing

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you can go as high as you possibly can

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with the little gear we have

hoary sluice
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i think he meant being stuck at M0 the past 2 weeks

small garden
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m10 tank first week?

daring marlin
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shoot me dude lol

lusty grotto
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the only cap is whats realistically possible

daring marlin
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14% enrage

small garden
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paladins do be topping ST

lusty grotto
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first week man, pretty normal

ivory barn
lusty grotto
daring marlin
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yeah but press your buttons man

lusty grotto
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ST is generaly bad for prot paladins

small garden
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unholy dk got un-nerfed yet fury and arms stil need a bit of help :((

lusty grotto
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and ret is ehh

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decent still

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guilford is just good

solid sun
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I think fury is pretty fine

hoary sluice
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wondering if prot pally is gonna get a sneak balance in before next weeks reset. thought it was odd they went completely untouched

solid sun
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Does it really need help

lusty grotto
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ok office time for me ill be back later

small garden
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i do wanna do better as fury in raids, but gonna spam prot cuz i seem to like tanking

hoary sluice
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i'd say it for sure needs a bit if we are comparing to other specs

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damage is low outside of cd's, and it's squishy

daring marlin
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??

hoary sluice
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at least from how it's felt when i play

dusky canopy
solid sun
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Hi brew

dusky canopy
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We killed chimaerus heroic on our 2nd split during enrage

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Was a sick kill

hoary sluice
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nice lol

ivory barn
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We killed the last boss with the platform engulfed sadge

dusky canopy
daring marlin
plush tendon
small garden
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shaman bzz bzz alt

solid sun
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Did my first m0s as fury last night brew

dusky canopy
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Sick did you own?

plush tendon
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but someone has to bring the Paladin buff

solid sun
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I competed with my enhance shaman friend while I’m 20 ilvls lower

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Probably says more about him than me

plush tendon
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no one believed in the Ret hype propoganda I was spreading

solid sun
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But we take it

small garden
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just hope i can gear my alt as fast as i did tanking

undone beacon
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Theres a DH in our group who has his 4set already, wild

small garden
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i beg your finest foking pardon?

undone beacon
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I guess he just got really lucky in LFR

small garden
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ooo, as shaman i cna que as healer for raid

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:)

undone beacon
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Its hard when no fucking cloth tier pieces drop during raid night yeah sadgers

plush tendon
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shouldve went plate

undone beacon
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Only 1 plate dropped

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It was all leather and mail

ivory barn
plush tendon
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thats unlucky

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plate bois got juiced this first week

tribal wharf
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me and pepega got juiced with int and agility weapons

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int was at least on monk, so it at least can be used

cold pilot
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So I absolutely don't want to use hero crests to upgrade my weapon, even though I got 50 uncapped crests?

jagged pier
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Dats up to u

cold pilot
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We get myth crests from 9s right?

true cove
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9+ yes

plush tendon
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cant really farm Myth crests atm

true cove
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you can obtain some myth from Tier ?? Nulleus

plush tendon
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theres a max limit on how many you can earn from delves I believe

true cove
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30 Myth crests from Tier ?? Nulleus

plush tendon
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yea, but you can get those anytime

cold pilot
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I am struggling to kill the ticks on him, but I'll figure it out

sharp gale
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20 per week from delves

plush tendon
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not like we have any myth pieces to upgrade with

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and ?? can be hard for people (prot war is chees though so maybe just send XD)

true cove
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I need some help, what items am I upgrading before the raid tonight?

I have hero track 1hand (I have not used any sparks yet)

cold pilot
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shield

plush tendon
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heroic? how many bosses?

true cove
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Normal first but then heroic after

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I'm sure we're smash normal

plush tendon
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id hold crests until after normal, then send champ, then do heroic

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you can hold hero crests

dusky canopy
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Wait the housing crest reward doesn’t apply to the cap??

plush tendon
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maybe you send for heroic Aleria, but you should clear everything no issue with current loadout

dusky canopy
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Now I have to do it if that’s true

sharp gale
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Yeah turbo send every crest under champ after normal raid

dusky canopy
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We’re sending champ too

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Only hold hero

true cove
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Thanks all

plush tendon
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we may need to send hero crests for Heroic Alleria

sharp gale
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Heroic bosses are beefy

plush tendon
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but not sure yet

dusky canopy
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We’re splitting first 3 + maybe dragons and then whatever time is left we’ll do paladins on all mains and see what final looks like maybe kill maybe not

sharp gale
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I had to st the first boss

cold pilot
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I got some haste and crit, but I need more

solid sun
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Single target or sit @sharp gale

true cove
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Where is your speed Billiam? 😄

sharp gale
cold pilot
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I'm a dragon so I can glide hehehehe

true cove
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😄

solid sun
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Happy the anti pad machine

dusky canopy
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Bro ain’t got no gas in it

cold pilot
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I only picked Dragon for glide and champion spear + wing buffet

daring marlin
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BREW MAKE THESE PEOPLE PRESS THEIR BUTTONS LOL

dusky canopy
solid sun
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Is fury better at aoe or st

daring marlin
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@toxic pewter I did the thing

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I told them to use OBA

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if they're only barely above 40k

dusky canopy
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Fury’s strength is being able to cleave 5 targets with 1 talent point

toxic pewter
sharp gale
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Yeah cleave is furry strength

solid sun
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That sounds like a fancy way of saying fury sucks

dusky canopy
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It’s actually very nice for prog

sharp gale
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It might be turbo cracked for the raid rhino

dusky canopy
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Sucks ass on farm when adds blow up

daring marlin
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8% wipe with bottomfeeders

dusky canopy
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The adds already evaporated in normal I had zero chance of padding

daring marlin
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I just know one of these goobers will win loot

solid sun
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So fury shines with adds in raid that live

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But other specs excel at single target or big aoe

toxic pewter
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dude last night went in for first heroic boss and even there people were doin like 30k and stuff literally couldnt kill due to dps

solid sun
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I’m destined to be mediocre

dusky canopy
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Fury is alright if a boss favors flat profile but that’s generally never the case flat sucks

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Something to be said for consistant boss damage though

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During prog

sharp gale
dusky canopy
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But that’s kind of coping

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Lmao

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B T W

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MM on paladins

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Absolutely busted

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Our MM did like 180k-200k on that boss

sharp gale
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Good. They are top in all bosses only bc of this boss

dusky canopy
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Idr exactly

sharp gale
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They are god of 2T

dusky canopy
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Oh yeah I bet they’re going to get cooked but hope not

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I like seeing the nieches like 2T cleave excel

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We’re arms!?

sharp gale
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Maybe next tuning

undone beacon
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Anyone have a good solution for disabling damage meter in combat?

sharp gale
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Tbf I didn’t expect arms to be top on a single boss but here we are brewj

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Justified nerfs pre-launch

dusky canopy
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It’s almost like 5minute sim doesn’t show the full picture

solid sun
undone beacon
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Thats not a bad idea

sharp gale
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I know, I trust Blizz with tuning since a while

solid sun
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I was being genuine

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Even though it sounds sarcastic

dusky canopy
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I play better with the damage meter turned off

undone beacon
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Same

dusky canopy
undone beacon
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But i wanna see at the end if i was suck or not

dusky canopy
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Alt tab warcraftlogs

undone beacon
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i dont livelog because it introduces additional latency smh

sharp gale
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I have dmg meter on, but I’m immune to pad

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On prog*

undone beacon
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I'm just playing a spec I've never played in raid before so im like

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on edge

dusky canopy
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Oh that’s true I guess I never had that problem

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Whatcha playing shadow?

undone beacon
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Yeah shadow

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I did... mediocre in normal but at the same time adds died so fast that I couldnt dot shit up

sharp gale
remote ocean
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hm whats the easiest way ofg getting coffer keys on alts? just spamming nightmare hunts?

tribal wharf
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probably did like 5k dps on that lfr boss

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never checked

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thats really generous assuming i got even auto attacks off

dusky canopy
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@lusty grotto oh you asked about playing around rampage, during recklessness you pretty much rampage whenever you can’t bloodbath ignoring the 100 rage condition, fill with Exe> CB

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Outside of cds play 100 rage condition

solid sun
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Bloodbath > rampage during recklessness?

sharp gale
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Yeah you kinda rampage bt rampage for a while in the first GCDs of reck

dusky canopy
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No
100> rage rampage
Blade storm
Odyns Fury
Bloodbath
Rampage
Execute
Crushing Blow

solid sun
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Where blast at

dusky canopy
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Oh I guess OF is above BB

solid sun
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What’s OF

dusky canopy
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Only fangs

sharp gale
dusky canopy
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I mean odyns fury

blissful fable
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What items are you guys crafting? Wep/shield?

solid sun
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Pins

blissful fable
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Tnx

dusky canopy
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I crafted vet pants

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Don’t @ me

solid sun
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How long do you stay enraged for brew

dusky canopy
dusky canopy
solid sun
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You’re perma enraged what the heck

sharp gale
ivory barn
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See my fury warrior breakdown must be hella fucked

solid sun
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How do I become like you

dusky canopy
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9/10 times hit more button more often

solid sun
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How come sometimes I hit blood attack and I get like one second of mad time

dusky canopy
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Because blood thirst extends enrage

solid sun
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And other times I hit blood attack and get like four seconds

dusky canopy
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It’s a talent

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Also can refresh it

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Blood thirst is giga

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It also heals you lmao

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Goated button

sharp gale
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Enrage is a non-issue on fury, basically like SB / with HR on prot

solid sun
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Is the bigger blood attack just the same thing but more dam

sharp gale
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Yes

warm plinth
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Doesn't bloodthirst only sometimes enrage you

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Whereas rampage is guaranteed

solid sun
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Yeah but I thought it was weird how sometimes it gives you just a second and sometimes it’s a full mad bar

sharp gale
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That’s the 4 second rhino mentioned

dusky canopy
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True ghash yes

sharp gale
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His BT procced the BT enrage

dusky canopy
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Full mad bar

solid sun
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When I’m doing the big angry cd

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And whirly mad attack is cheaper

warm plinth
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You're a big angry cd

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Gottem

solid sun
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I just wanna do that like as many times in a row as I can

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Which for some reason archi says you aren’t supposed to do

dusky canopy
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😆

solid sun
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But it’s the supreme melee ability in the game

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I don’t understand

ivory barn
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At least it's not arms

solid sun
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I will say

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After playing fury for a single night

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It is the only spec in the game that should use rage as a resource

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Every single ability is just “I’m pissed” the button

ivory barn
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I wish I knew the rotation better or had better gear lol

solid sun
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The entire flavor is being the most angry person

sharp gale
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I agree

solid sun
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That’s not true for arms and prot

sharp gale
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Delete rage on arms

ivory barn
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I'd rather play prot

opal ledge
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agreed

sharp gale
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Bear is allowed to be a mad spec

solid sun
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Yeah I don’t mind bear doing it

opal ledge
solid sun
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But neither of the other warrior specs even remotely come close to fury at being livid

sharp gale
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I wish the big mad CD had a big mad animation

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Im too bored of char turns redish or grey when avatar

solid sun
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Oh it def should

daring marlin
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@dusky canopy I'm gonna mclose it bro

ivory barn
solid sun
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Green starts with a G

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Just like Great does

sharp gale
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GreenGreen

solid sun
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You died on vanguard I assume

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Just don’t die next time ez pz

ivory barn
solid sun
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Or

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Since you were told to dps to make the raids dps better

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Show the raid leader it didn’t work so you gotta tank again

sharp gale
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Which boss I had to st mmmh

solid sun
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(It totally worked looo at how good you are doing you’re killing it)

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Saladbar obviously

narrow prawn
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i can't drop a shield for shit man

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dropped 7 cloaks already and zero shields

solid sun
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We aren’t supposed to drop our shields dude

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We use them

narrow prawn
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i laughed

ivory barn
solid sun
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You can raid with me

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I will let you tank and I won’t shit on you

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But I get dibs on warrior tier sorry

narrow prawn
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i should just kill voidspire first boss HC and get my guaranteed shield(lmao)

ivory barn
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We got a DH that isnt pressing Spikes sadge

daring marlin
solid sun
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Is he dying

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No spikes DH sounds like a dead DH

ivory barn
solid sun
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Ha what a doofus

plush tendon
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Ill be real.... if a VDH is dying to letting spikes fall off

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you shouldnt let em tank

ivory barn
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Maybe it's an underlying reason to why I was told to hold my sparks LETSGOOO

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I'll just go juice a 1h/Shield 🛡️when I'm told to swap

plush tendon
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oh for sure

solid sun
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I wish you were allowed to just game

plush tendon
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you are, but you also need to play well

solid sun
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I can’t imagine an aotc guild being so micromanagey

plush tendon
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a tank dying cause they arent pressing their no resource cost mitagation with 100% uptime is really bad

solid sun
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No

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I meant ggs specifically

plush tendon
solid sun
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I wish he was just allowed to game

plush tendon
#

true

lusty grotto
plush tendon
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gg should be allowed to zug zug

coarse bay
#

Doesnt vdh not keep spikes up all the time anymore, dont think its possible

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But gotta play around it

plush tendon
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its 100% possible

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and easily done

lusty grotto
ivory barn
coarse bay
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Oh i heard it didnt stay up mb

plush tendon
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heck, theres a talent that gives you two demon spike charges which isnt taken

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cause uptime is such a non issue

lusty grotto
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Yeah it's pretty easy to maintain DS now

plush tendon
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its literally the easiest mitagation to keep up

lusty grotto
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There's the talent that extends it like HR

plush tendon
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since its actually free

coarse bay
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Im not a vdh fan so i havent stayed in the loop for it

solid sun
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It’s easier to keep up than SB?

ivory barn
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I'm half tempted to post that log in here, but I don't want to have him flamed sadge

plush tendon
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SB costs rage

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Spikes costs nothing

solid sun
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HR SB is supremely easy

lusty grotto
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Yeah it's easier

coarse bay
lusty grotto
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We don't flame logs here

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Unless if you come with an attitude problem, which is not often

solid sun
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Was that part of how they made vdh more approachable for this expansion

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Give them free mitigation you can maintain forever

plush tendon
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amongst a lot of things

lusty grotto
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Yeah vdh is brain dead easy

plush tendon
#

VDH has been super simplified on all accounts

coarse bay
#

That and erm whats the word

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Frailty rework

lusty grotto
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Yup

solid sun
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What did they do to frailty

sand condor
plush tendon
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and not a stacking DR

sand condor
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:P <3

ivory barn
#

Almost gonna level my pally just for a second BS to craft sword/shield now

lusty grotto
#

Why dude

plush tendon
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I like Pally

solid sun
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Does it also amp damage to enemies debuffed with it

plush tendon
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I think its worth to level

lusty grotto
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You're overthinking crafting it's not a big deal

daring marlin
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prot pally in dungeons is the most fun shit

plush tendon
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Nim hates paladins though

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so even more reason to level

ivory barn
solid sun
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Paladins are our mortal enemies

lusty grotto
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Keeping up multiple rafters is expensive, trust me I maintain my army since the crafting rework

plush tendon
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I only do Blacksmithing and Jewl

lusty grotto
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Why do you care so much about both

plush tendon
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Ironically, the only things I ever need for recrafts on toons

lusty grotto
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Just do 2h and send free puppies to a hero shield until you have enough points to craft it or kill first myth boss

ivory barn
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I'm preparing to be asked to swap now

lusty grotto
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So?

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You'll be fine with a hero shield

plush tendon
ivory barn
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Haven't sent the sparked 2h

plush tendon
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tbh

solid sun
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Free puppies lol

lusty grotto
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Autocorrect

plush tendon
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if you are a dps main, send all resource on dps spec

lusty grotto
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But free puppies sound good

jagged pier
plush tendon
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also, if you upgrade/craft a 2h, you get free upgrades on shield and sword

jagged pier
lusty grotto
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I'm tanking atm in raid and I'm crafting a 2h

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Fuck it

plush tendon
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we also get our 3rd craft on the first mythic vault week

lusty grotto
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Yup

plush tendon
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by mid april youll be overloaded with more sparks then you can use

undone beacon
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but its mid march now peepostudy

lusty grotto
jagged pier
lusty grotto
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When are you back raiding jakey?

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Or not planning to?

solid sun
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After he makes his na character to join forces with me

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
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Lmao

dusky canopy
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I done goofed and spent 20 champ crests on 2H off hand 263

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Not sweating it though I got a handful of crest savers from raid

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Still ahead

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255ivl almost 256

ivory barn
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I haven't spent any crests Champ+

dusky canopy
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Got like 120 crests left

jagged pier
# lusty grotto When are you back raiding jakey?

I dont know i was think s2 but helping my guild out yesterday so they get more loot. I was just like meh. I have to like play at a high lvl i reckon to really enjoy it again. And i dont have the time for that

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I cant not take it seriously which is annoying me

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Like if i just didnt care i would just play, but if im raiding i need my char to be the best it can be etc and that means chore

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Which i dont like

ivory barn
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Is there a way to check ilvl across my raid group? I wanna see how 🗑️ I am

jagged pier
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Logs

solid sun
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Maybe raider io too? Isn’t there a guild area

lusty grotto
jagged pier
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Yer hence why i stepped down

lusty grotto
solid sun
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Have you thought about being like a mentor coach type dude

lusty grotto
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Mentoring isn't easy

solid sun
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Surround yourself with like an aotc group that you outclass and help them become better

jagged pier
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Yer i dont want to do that thanks

undone beacon
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I did computer science tutoring in college and all it taught me is that i dont want to be a teacher

jagged pier
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I coudl coach prots but i do that anyway for fun

lusty grotto
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Mentors need a certain type of patience that not everyone has

ivory barn
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I enjoy prot, my fury is just.... What the fuck do you press

solid sun
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Hold on

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I got you

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100> rage rampage
Blade storm
Odyns Fury
Bloodbath
Rampage
Execute
Crushing Blow

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In CDs

lusty grotto
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BTW

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Well kind of as a tangent

jagged pier
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I was jist pressing random buttons as fury yesterday kekW

lusty grotto
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ITF fucking blows on twin dragons

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HR fight all the way

jagged pier
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Itf sucks on a lot of fights mostly cause you never actually in range kekW

lusty grotto
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Yeah

frail prawn
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So i understand that the weapon is prior to make, but if I already have a 246 weapon should i still make one? Also i havent got anyone to make anything for me since they updated the crafting system. i barely understand how it works

sharp gale
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Yeah plenty of fights one of the tank is alone chilling somewhere

lusty grotto
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I think it only works well on paladin council and 2nd boss

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Maybe on 1st boss

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The rest nah

lusty grotto
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Ilvl > all on both weapon and shield

frail prawn
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So should i just hold all my sparks for now?

lusty grotto
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Ilvl means higher damage that turns into AP, which is very impactful

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For weapon

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Ilvl means more block on shield, which is very impactful

lusty grotto
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So don't use hero crests or you will lose those

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Use vet or none

frail prawn
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Okay, awesome. thank you