protection

[mighty valley]

website bug

[undone beacon]

Also thats a shit build

[strong forum]

struggling to comprehend that only 1 apex point is picked

instead of 4

[undone beacon]

1 Apex, no VO

[strong forum]

also who the fuck doesnt pick outburst

[undone beacon]

Dropping 3 points of apex + VO for... Sudden Death, Last Stand, Indom, and BSV is rough

Sudden Death, Last Stand, and Indom are not worth taking, and VO is huge for our damage and survivability

If you want BSV, the recommended swap is Tough as Nails

[fallow fern]

Lol I dunno.. it was from Kirawarrior.. but likely not a final build by any means was just mainly confused how it looked like there was more point available..

[undone beacon]

Kira is not a good model for basing your builds off of

He plays a different game than the rest of us

Stick to icyveins builds, they are what is recommended

[fallow fern]

Yea I get that! I dont just look at one..

[undone beacon]

Just making sure as it is a common fallacy we see people fall into here

[mighty valley]

especially when a single streamer's build starts cascading through the data driven sites

[undone beacon]

I love data driven sites I love when people pull builds off of data aggregation sites

Something something Shield Spec

[tribal wharf]

37/34

come on now

[undone beacon]

Unrelated but I keep testing other deadlock characters and none feel as fun as Warden, guess I'm a Warden main

[mighty valley]

i can't even begin to imagine the rationale behind taking sudden death rn

[tribal wharf]

random emergency rage dump

but of course

[undone beacon]

Its not a rage dump though

It makes execute free

[tribal wharf]

hmm

[undone beacon]

Literally just a wasted global

[solid sun]

Well you see execute is bugged so they’re practicing for when the bug is fixed

:>

[undone beacon]

what is this execute is bugged nonsense

[solid sun]

Apparently sha posted a video saying it’s bugged

So people are just parroting it

[undone beacon]

Bugged how

[solid sun]

The claim was literally

[fallow fern]

So to confirm the reason it says 37/34 is a bug on the website cause it would actually only be 1 apex talent?

[tribal wharf]

dmg doesnt meet tool tip

[solid sun]

The tooltip reads lower than revenge so bugged

[tribal wharf]

cuz reasons

[solid sun]

lol

[undone beacon]

Correct. They are taking one point but the website is saying they are taking all four

[solid sun]

Which is a tuning issue and not a bug

[undone beacon]

....

[fallow fern]

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

Actually ottus

That’s not entirely correct

[undone beacon]

Me when number is small: Bug
Me when number is big: Gaming

[solid sun]

That build is so bad they’re trying to give homie extra points to fix it

[fallow fern]

Lol

[ionic fern]

What build?

[tribal wharf]

i tried out that spell breaker talent in a bunch of dungeons for about 1.5 levels

[ionic fern]

[tribal wharf]

i had a truly awful time

dont do it

is the take away

[toxic gyro]

Glad he’s not playing it bc his followers will use it too and it will drive the data up, so we’ll end up getting apex talents buffed

[undone beacon]

Website bug

[ionic fern]

Well,the class tree is ALMOST fine.

[undone beacon]

Get outta here with your sandbagging and subterfuge, we take things as we are here cuz we aint no bitch ass paladins

[ionic fern]

Glad you caught up.

[mighty valley]

yogi i don't think spellbreaker is a good talent, but

[tribal wharf]

im newly a paladin now

[mighty valley]

i don't think that one talent point would be the reason you'd have a rough time

[tribal wharf]

i simply wanted to try it

to see how much dog shit it was

and i saw

[mighty valley]

it's basically 4% magic damage reduction, i really doubt you felt much of anything

[tribal wharf]

everybody knows i dont make the intelligent approach first

[solid sun]

Harrow sneakily saying “ya bad bud sorry boutcha”

[tribal wharf]

no, it uh, its something completely new in the game

[toxic gyro]

You’re a secret agent, you bear main

[tribal wharf]

and i wanted to see if it was secretly broken or not

NO

turns out big no

[mighty valley]

(me putting on some cheap gloves then putting my hand in a blender) "these gloves SUCK"

[solid sun]

You’re gonna love my nuts

One clap two clap

[mighty valley]

it's been in the game for almost a year but ok

[tribal wharf]

will it blend, that is the question

pwar smoke, dont breath that

[undone beacon]

Alright I've cooked up the new meta build I call it Turbo-Turtle Sexecute

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/EANBVVVFEVVWYRoUBFMVVRFVVVGVVVVCFQFVVVVUCAQ

[tribal wharf]

under what has it been in the game for almost a year

also i didnt play for 2025

so everything from 11.1 to midnight prepatch

i have like, very little idea about wtf any of that even is

[toxic pewter]

apparently housing may have quest that rewards crests so keep an eye out for that

(tbd once servers come up)

[mighty valley]

they added spellbreaker in the middle of tww, same patch they removed spell block

[tribal wharf]

no, this is extra illegal

[toxic gyro]

Is that ultimate sandbag build?

[tribal wharf]

this is worse than my meme build of it

[undone beacon]

No its the ultimate execute defensive build

Get it in the hands of Kira asap please

Glory be to streamers

[tribal wharf]

for 1, the second win never works in combat, just go to the melee attack combat training dummy and let it hit you

so thats minus 1 entire talent wasted

[mighty valley]

i'm always saying you have to work hard to make a truly bad prot warrior build these days

it is possible, though

[undone beacon]

Y'all are laughing but when Turbo-Turtle Sexecute is used in the MDI you'll come crawling back

https://klipy.com/gifs/nod-cat-hyper

[mighty valley]

are you sure you don't want shout duration over spear? extends Demo Shout for the dr%

[toxic gyro]

No bsv Turtle build definitely needs it.

[tribal wharf]

hmm im not convinced by that build but im trying to be open minded with it

[toxic pewter]

lmao the spellbreaker pick

gold!

[tribal wharf]

i dont agree with it is what i will say

[undone beacon]

Nope spear is non-negotiable. Maybe crushing force for shout duration

[undone beacon]

Turtles are great at breaking spells

[toxic gyro]

Goated talent. Just git gut at rng.

[undone beacon]

Nah cuz you will never die in the first place so its a wasted point

[fallow fern]

Is there anyway other than logs to track how much rage you waste in a dungeon? And then would overwhelming rage just help reduce it? Or is there another reason to take overwhelming rage?

[tribal wharf]

i feel like that ability should be a paladin thing

and we get something else

[toxic gyro]

I feel stressed and panicked when tanking without it

[tribal wharf]

i dont pray for the light to save me

not alwys

[undone beacon]

Logs are really it. Overwhelming rage doesnt help because thats a gameplay issue. We have an off-gcd rage dump

If you're overcapping with 100 rage, you'll probably still overcap with 130, since not capping rage is a fundamental skill to learn

[fallow fern]

Ok, i just see it's picked on the wowhead M+ build.. and was wonder why

[tribal wharf]

the only way i can make sense of overwhelming rage is if you are thane and you get a bunch of storm blast and shield slam proc

[undone beacon]

wowhead build is out of date

We reccomend icyveins for now

[fallow fern]

Oh ok lol

Ill go check that out now

[undone beacon]

Our beloved guidewriter retired and the current guy is managing at least three guides, so its a bit behind

[solid sun]

Poor ottus

[fallow fern]

Im looking at all the stuff that's otta date now lol

[solid sun]

First we tell him no Kira. Now no wowhead

[fallow fern]

Just sitting at work wishing I was playing wow..

[undone beacon]

Its why we're here, to help guide

I wanna do more deadlock but I have a troubleshooting call in 20 mins

[warped burrow]

Do we really not use a meta gem this season? I can see the argument but it feels weird

[toxic pewter]

SEASON 1 HAS OFFICIALLY BEGUN

[tribal wharf]

midnight is here, and its dark

[dusky canopy]

See you next week

[toxic pewter]

GOIN LFR RIGHT AWAY I NEED TIER

[undone beacon]

christ lmao

[tribal wharf]

whoa whoa dont everyone log in at once

jeeze, taking a while to get in

[fallow fern]

Oh, I completely forgot about piecing howl.. gotta add that to my bar.. we get a growl, cool!

[coarse bay]

Simmable question, i havent checked but id be very surprised if we dont

[jagged pier]

Its been nerfed honestly in the none undead dungeons take intim

For an extra stop

Imo

[lusty grotto]

🤞

[dusky canopy]

Psych

Larias ain’t giving me loot lmao

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

Time to run sims and play the spec that gains the most dps from tier pieces

[dusky canopy]

1 DK 1 pala and 1 war in my split run so probably depends on if any of us get a lfr piece first and after that me last because warrior sucks

[undone beacon]

trueeee

fuckin warriors

[dusky canopy]

Gg go next season

[undone beacon]

gg go next xpac

[warped burrow]

It's a hard to sim question though, unless simulationcraft has added a way to compare the survival gains of parry and armor to those of haste and vers since last I checked.

[dusky canopy]

I was spoiled last season I had full 4 pc hero for the first week of M+ no way in hell I get that spoon fed again in my life time

[coarse bay]

Main stat from meta gem is better than secondary stat

Just run the sim for damage, any amount of parry or whatever from a single regular gem would be so inconsequential

[warped burrow]

Any amount of damage from a gem would also be inconsequential :p We sim to find out these tiny inconsequential amounts that add up.

[drowsy comet]

gotta wait till tomorrow for seasonstart :feelsbadman:

[coarse bay]

So sim it 👍

Main stat is most important rn

Unless you can show me a source that says not to use it

[warped burrow]

Alas, the sims are only for damage. I care about the tiny amounts of both damage and survival. And neither icy-veins nor wowhead recommends a meta gem.

They don't say don't use a meta gem, but they don't say to use a meta gem, and that is why I'm confused

[lusty grotto]

sim question

[tribal wharf]

still laggy for ppl to log in to na?

[lusty grotto]

just sim

any increase in dps in sims signal defensiveness increase

[coarse bay]

Tbf gem simming needs premium raidbots usually

[warped burrow]

There is no sim for survivability that I'm aware of.

[lusty grotto]

read what i said

again

are meta gems stats?

all tanks stats have both an offensive and defensive counterpart

any increase you gain in dps IN SIMS from STATS

is an increase in defensiveness from them

this is how all tanks do it

if you think our guide writers or any other tanks guide writers do recommendations in a different way than running sims, youre very mistaken

[cerulean tusk]

Nim is falling apart again what are you guys doing now

Can we give Nim Yellow already, so ppl feel the weight more?

[warped burrow]

This is stupid, sorry. Armor is on one of the meta gems rn and gives piss for dps but would presumably give better survivability. Enough better to make it the right one to use? I don't know!

[cerulean tusk]

[dusky canopy]

Yellow spot open surely

[cerulean tusk]

Rat deserves 🧀 colour

[lusty grotto]

we do know, we dont care about armor

[dusky canopy]

Lincc mia

[lusty grotto]

so discard that pick if youre not talenting Armored to the Teeth

or ac tually

[cerulean tusk]

Can we argue about stamina gems tho

[lusty grotto]

we do care about armor

cause armor converts to strength

and it DOES HAVE A SIM INCREASE

[plush tendon]

This ain’t TBC

[coarse bay]

Im almost certain we’d use the main stat meta gem, but simming answers all questions

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, if the gem grants that silly amount of armor then we would take it either way

that would be quite a bit of DR

[plush tendon]

Armor is also strength

But just sim

Costs nothing to check

[coarse bay]

Ive thrown a stam gem on for more meta gem, but we also had like 10 gem slots and gems didnt have as big value as currently

[undone beacon]

Thats why earthen is best cuz they get more armor 🪨

[cerulean tusk]

I am too lazy to check, what are the values?
30 2nd vs 100 armor, or?

[lusty grotto]

what is stupid?

[plush tendon]

I had some Texas brisket today

Was really good

But now I’m so full at work

[undone beacon]

Yummers

[plush tendon]

Gotta be raid ready tonight

I’m locked in

[cerulean tusk]

I cant find the gem that increases armor, what is it called?

[lusty grotto]

eversong diamond is the base

[warped burrow]

When comparing pure str to less str + armor, yeah, the armor gives piss for dps. The question is whether that's worth it. Or whether the haste for rage gen would be better. Simming for pure dps can give a guideline but dps increase does not directly correlate with survival increase

[tribal wharf]

quests to run dungeons and den of nalorak mythic?

im already there

[lusty grotto]

so how else do you think anyone makes recommendations?

do you think we just boot up AMR with their janky ass survivability sims and use those? because that aint it

[plush tendon]

Also… armor is phys mit

[warped burrow]

And the idea that armor is good because it gives str is silly because part of why str is good is that it gives armor

[lusty grotto]

what world do you live in where suvival increase sims exist?

[plush tendon]

Do we really need more of that

[lament osprey]

We still tracking IP?

[plush tendon]

I don’t

Why track IP

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-adorable-MpeWJ9JyTyOm4

[warped burrow]

I don't! That's what I was asking! If surv sims existed!

[lament osprey]

[lusty grotto]

you keep saying its silly, but thats theres more to AttT than what youre saying

[tribal wharf]

are we tracking the value or the up time of IP

[lusty grotto]

no

and its not stupid

or silly

its how we've done things

since EJ went down

and since tankspot took a dive

[chrome falcon]

F

[tribal wharf]

i have to know for when i set up my stuff in the future

[chrome falcon]

F

[warped burrow]

I miss EJ and tankspot

[lusty grotto]

we're also not living in Tank Buster-hits-you-for-2x-times-your-health times

so EHP is very uninmportant

and DR is king

[molten gorge]

Come back from break since TWW s1; Nimchip still in here yapping - crazy work ngl

[warped burrow]

I know. I did a pure damage reduction spreadsheet tool in cata and I had so much fun with it

[lusty grotto]

the only useful tool is sims

simc specifically

raidbots

[tribal wharf]

somebody who is extreme boomer at VANILLA wow 2004, wtf was that healing addon that a bunch of players would show up with a bar whoever was lowest, you would click it and it would put a heal on them

[warped burrow]

But without EJ math to pull from I don't know where to start doing the math myself

[tribal wharf]

i had a paladin then, and thats all i remember about molten core

[lusty grotto]

you obviously do not sim shield ilvl increases, you just use the higher ilvl, you obviously do not sim purely defensive trinkets, you just use them

you obviously do not sim for purely defensive talents

[tribal wharf]

before sims it was spreadsheets

[lusty grotto]

you just compare the cost of picking them

[warped burrow]

So was hoping that people in the prot war channel could direct me to resources that could help instead of telling me to just sim for dps

[lusty grotto]

"is it worth 12k dps worth of a talent point"

[plush tendon]

There’s no other option

[lusty grotto]

i have resources

but for your VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS

about meta gems

you sim

[cerulean tusk]

Well, if we are discussing the dpower of what, 130 armor total, that is what 2% total phy DR
a
Then you likely would just take versa, does the same thing, but against everything and you gain what 1.5% ish total value, but increases heals/shields more

Then we can try to calculate the value of AP differences against IP value, but it very miniscule amounts

[lusty grotto]

thats the only answer youre gonna get

[plush tendon]

Too much math, ignore

[cerulean tusk]

Well, str is also parry

meh

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

it is getting complicated

[molten gorge]

you came to the wrong place for help buddy; this guy's entire life is sitting on here giving advice like he isn't hard stuck on +10 keys every season

[cerulean tusk]

I would presume that armor+str, would vs phy attacks (not exactly our weakness), come out a bit ahead of pure str at a very small margin

[molten gorge]

need to pen and paper the maths, realistically, the kind of margin it's gonna be is minor enough to honestly probably not care all that much unless you're at the bleeding edge of keys / raiding

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, we talking at best a what

0.2-0.5% value?

[wheat scroll]

This is awesome, now just give me back my spell reflect weakaura

[lusty grotto]

why are you projecting here

[molten gorge]

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[molten gorge]

back for 5mins, too easy

[lusty grotto]

okie

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, Rat, you havent disproven the satement

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

my raider io is very public

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

so no need

[cerulean tusk]

So defencive, but for what reason

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

LETS

FUCKING

[tribal wharf]

LETS GO

[cerulean tusk]

GOooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[undone beacon]

sexy

[plush tendon]

But that has agi on it

[lusty grotto]

monk weapon

[undone beacon]

f

[lusty grotto]

yeah augusto haha

[cerulean tusk]

Just be happy about the moment

dont ruin this

[undone beacon]

surv hunter time

[lusty grotto]

DH time also

[undone beacon]

no

surv hunter time

[lusty grotto]

ok ok

[undone beacon]

[tribal wharf]

no, right

wtf

[cerulean tusk]

Ngl, Havoc is warming on me, I do enjoy these silly giga eyebeams

[tribal wharf]

lame

🙁

[cerulean tusk]

See what you done, Nim?!

[plush tendon]

Havoc super fun

[cerulean tusk]

SEE WHAT YOU DONE?!

[tribal wharf]

christ

RIP

[plush tendon]

But I like AR

[tribal wharf]

i thought it was str so its equip

and i could give to monk :S

cuz its not super clear its agi only

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ronaldo-cr7-laugh-jGRRcA7ExziIJuK8MJ

[mighty valley]

can monks use axes

[tribal wharf]

so , what in the fuck

you see why i get mad at the game now

[unreal yarrow]

Free crests at least

[mighty valley]

always always always double check warband gear, it's probably not for your main

[tribal wharf]

thats still stupid

if its agility and im str

it should say something

[plush tendon]

Too bad it’s not TBC

[mighty valley]

it says agility

on it

[plush tendon]

Or else it have agi and attack power

[tribal wharf]

i wonder if i can ticket blizzard to un soulbound it

[cerulean tusk]

Try it, just remember to use your Yogi name

[tribal wharf]

but you see where i get frustrated at the game

right

[cerulean tusk]

I dont know where you get frustrated

|| ||

[tribal wharf]

it does it for if you are leather and try to wear cloth armor

dont think it does for agility requirement

still, what a giant waste

cuz its not clear

[cerulean tusk]

You got the mog tho, the important part

[tribal wharf]

i was excited to play

now completely not excited any more

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dJYoOVAWf2QkU

all because of Nim

[tribal wharf]

this sucks

[lusty grotto]

what

[tribal wharf]

aint nim, but its bullshit, is what it is

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nepunator-cat-7

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine if Nim never made you aware, you would be so happy

[undone beacon]

We had one of our healing shamans use agi weapons for like two months last season for a similar reason tis okay

happens to the best of us

[lusty grotto]

yogi just do the mob with an alt

and hope it drops a str weapon

it'll always be warbound

[undone beacon]

It don’t work like that

[lusty grotto]

the drop from rares

[undone beacon]

You get one warbound piece per account per week

That was world boss loot

[plush tendon]

Nim spreading misinformation

[cerulean tusk]

I swear, Pash and Nim, both are such dobby downers

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

just coming in here

to ruin the day

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember how it was then

[cerulean tusk]

Noone is allowed to be happy

[undone beacon]

Yeah I’m coming from Bear doom land or something

[tribal wharf]

ah, its fine like i said earlier today,

[cerulean tusk]

I forgot about this! My day is 10x improved!

Get rekt!

[lusty grotto]

it started in undermine but i swear you could do it on alts

[tribal wharf]

i do dumb things often

[cerulean tusk]

Dreamgroove can taste my shorts!

[lusty grotto]

eh its not a big deal its only champ

youll get a better one in a 2 next week

[cerulean tusk]

Sigh...

Don't be elitist. Just because the content seems trivial for you and there is no issue or challenge. It doesn't mean you are not also making fun out of someone elses seasonal goal. Do better.

[tribal wharf]

theres simply the "do you want to bind this item to you"

[lusty grotto]

im not cat

[tribal wharf]

prompt

[cerulean tusk]

You litteraly are tho, you saying it doesnt matter

[lusty grotto]

im just not pretending getting champ is hard

[cerulean tusk]

when this was his biggest achievement

[lusty grotto]

yogi is more than capable of doing keys

[cerulean tusk]

you are undermining his sucess

[lusty grotto]

he has proven himself before

[mighty valley]

kitty you're talking about yogi, a multi time keystone master

[cerulean tusk]

you are being such a toxic ratta

[lusty grotto]

champ loot is not a problem for him

[mighty valley]

yogi spits on champ gear

[cerulean tusk]

No, this was the high point

[mighty valley]

he's a MASTER

[tribal wharf]

not with attention like that i cant

but ya

stupid warbound

just take up more of my bank space

[lusty grotto]

do you not think yogi can do 10s, cat?

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/N0CIxcyPLputW

[lusty grotto]

cause he has

[cerulean tusk]

Wdum, noone in here can?

[lusty grotto]

yogi link him your achieves

[mighty valley]

you can try submitting a ticket, the worst they can do is say no

[cerulean tusk]

I mean...

[lusty grotto]

cat being condenscending to yogi only to try turn my comments against me

shameful

[cerulean tusk]

I am just stating the facts as I see them

[neon jay]

gz @shut summit

[tribal wharf]

i probably get AI response

[solid sun]

What did sense do

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, AI prob better than the old customer support

[shut summit]

[neon jay]

sense is a gamer

i need to learn prot

[cerulean tusk]

Guess he did the delve??

[lusty grotto]

i guess so

[cerulean tusk]

My brain is too big

[lusty grotto]

ye thought so

[cerulean tusk]

Gz tho, @shut summit

[lusty grotto]

gz master sense

[shut summit]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/leaderboards/race-solo-nullaeus

[neon jay]

phased says you say mean things to him but i think he lies

[shut summit]

hes lying

[neon jay]

thought so

[late rain]

are we looking at a new build with the changes today?

[lusty grotto]

no

[mighty valley]

RWF is over, pack it up

[ionic fern]

You mean a talent build?

[cerulean tusk]

What other build would be asked for?

[tribal wharf]

its like i needed a weapon too for purple

stupid ass game

vendor that shit

[cerulean tusk]

Poor Yogi, still at it

[ionic fern]

"Build" is also often used in development cycles, figured he's asking for a new "game build".

[tribal wharf]

its bullshit

i'll forget about it soon

[lusty grotto]

he meant a talent build mwahi

[cerulean tusk]

I see what you mean, but contextually, it kinda doesnt make sense to me

[ionic fern]

The only change you might do for you builds is the M+ one, Intimidating SHout is a lot more appealing now over Piercing Howl.

[late rain]

ROFL

sound good 🙂 ty

[cerulean tusk]

I was already using it over howl, guess I am just ahead of the meta

[tribal wharf]

so, once per week for one of those items per account?

[lusty grotto]

apparently so

[cerulean tusk]

No, once per lifetime

[mighty valley]

kitty now who's trolling

[cerulean tusk]

I would never

[mighty valley]

yogi's in a fragile state, be nice

[tribal wharf]

im not even that mad

i just dont want to play cuz of it lol

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, I noticed, why I am fanning the flames like crazy

[tribal wharf]

its a bunch of crap

been needing weapon all 3 weeks

he drops a 1h

and it drops a 1h

and then it doesnt warn me its wrong

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, sidenote, if you use giphy: Search 'flame'

You will be disapointed, even if you expect it to be bad

[tribal wharf]

could have give it to my monk

[cerulean tusk]

That do be what Nim said

[tribal wharf]

eh

at least i didnt buy wow token or extend game time

no attachment/commitment

can still maybe get veteran from 0

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pokemon-agree-nod-1202FEj8qyNg3K

[lusty grotto]

let me take a crack at this guy

sense inspired

[tribal wharf]

well, at least i didnt buy an enchant for it and use it lol

[shut summit]

1shot it btw 🙃

[lusty grotto]

oh man

[mighty valley]

yogi you can get champ gear from delves

[tribal wharf]

i deleted it

[mighty valley]

you don't even need to get a group

[tribal wharf]

dont even want the gold

[solid sun]

Because you’re built different or because accidentally easy

[sharp gale]

Spell reflect incident again ?

[shut summit]

you can deflect a cast but it doesnt kill him

[tribal wharf]

game is going to play dirty like that im just going to dump my 4 sparks into weapon sheild

[mighty valley]

yogi: "i'm not even mad about it"

acts out of spite the rest of the entire day

[tribal wharf]

i wont be mad about it soon enough

[fierce juniper]

wonder if they're gonna make it not reflectable...

[cerulean tusk]

Oh no, they gonna remove you from the hall, as that will be counted as an unfair exploit that blizzard couldnt possibly forseen

[solid sun]

Sense said deflected and genshii said reflected

Who do I believe

[fierce juniper]

sense

[cerulean tusk]

A reflect would likely make it a less than 9 min fight, no? So deflect seems more likely

[fierce juniper]

deflected is the correct thing to say

[tribal wharf]

no, im not fit for 3k and title lol

[fierce juniper]

since it doesnt hit the boss

[tribal wharf]

maybe 2k at best

im unc

[lusty grotto]

he did say deflected though

marok 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

If it is a deflect, you might keep the title

[tribal wharf]

its fine, i know it lol

[fierce juniper]

ye i didnt tho, thats what he was commenting on

u silly goose

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

Yeah mouse

[coarse bay]

If only i wasnt working for 5 more hours

They finna fix that bug, but not the bug that makes pwar not the best

[errant wagon]

I've done it

[coarse bay]

@solid sun dont stand for this

[errant wagon]

I am a title gamer

[solid sun]

I will not stand for this

[errant wagon]

it was very easy with prot warrior not gonna lie lol

[solid sun]

I have been mobilized by Cam

[undone beacon]

poggies, grats

[errant wagon]

ty 🙏

[shut summit]

ye it was not hard at all

[undone beacon]

im omw to do it now, getting off work

you just need to have tier 8 unlocked right?

[coarse bay]

Used to be t11 in tww i thought

[errant wagon]

it was WAY easier than last seasons I think. It took me 2 attempts. and on my first attempt I got it to 3% lol

I recorded mine, gonna upload...

[undone beacon]

Well im askin those who have done it

[errant wagon]

I didn't even level up valeeria lol

[undone beacon]

Zane answer me dammit

[errant wagon]

oh sorry i didn't see LOL

[undone beacon]

Did you need tier 11 or just tier 8

[errant wagon]

you need to BEAT tier 10, (so unlock tier 11)

[undone beacon]

Got it cool

[coarse bay]

Classic blizzard joke to make a hof thing and have it trivial due to oversight

[undone beacon]

Got a few to do real fast then

before nerfs

[maiden hinge]

Didn't this exact thing happen last time, too?

[coarse bay]

Idk if it did, but there wasnt a hof for it

[maiden hinge]

as in, reflecting the delve boss mechanic

[tribal wharf]

nothing for monk

[errant wagon]

it still took 10 minutes of locking in.
It gets spicy at the end

[tribal wharf]

about to be nothing for paladin

[errant wagon]

i'll upload my PoV

[drowsy comet]

Hmm Tank or Healer.. still learning healing tho, but Tank is needed everywhere

[tribal wharf]

and nothing for paladin

what am i doing

okay time for something else

[cerulean tusk]

Ngl, after Ky'vezza, I... expected a lot more things to be going on in that fight than it did

[daring marlin]

normal raid kinda fun

some of these dudes aren't pumpin' tho

[coarse bay]

B-b-b-but weakauras used to play the game for us so now it needs to be easier

[cerulean tusk]

Think it is more a thing of Ky'vezza being such a banger and fresh in my mind

[solid sun]

Cat just built different

Cats are known for insane reflexes

[cerulean tusk]

Didnt enjoy Ky'vezza, Rhino?

[solid sun]

Always land on their feetpaws, too

I thought Ky’vezza was quite difficult tbh

Enjoyed it though

[cerulean tusk]

Hell yeah

[solid sun]

There are a lot of things I find difficult that some of you here just crush.

[jagged pier]

Yer cauae they nerfed the sr so it was

Even without sr this guy is apprently easy

[cerulean tusk]

Well, we are a very layered cake in here, from top 0.1% all the way to bottom 0%

[jagged pier]

His immunity just runs out

[undone beacon]

inb4 "hof reset, boss buffed"?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, wont happen

[jagged pier]

Didnt even happen for ky

So doubt it will for this

[cerulean tusk]

they need to fill 4k NAs, so rest of the world fill their 4k after, so NA can brag about filling it first

[solid sun]

What if they did a hotfix to adjust the difficulty and all they did was add ky’vezza to the encounter

[jagged pier]

Just ruins the fun it first come first serve because they dont know how to balance

[spice iron]

Wasn't the Spell Reflect kills revoked for Ky'vezza though?

[jagged pier]

I aint getting up 4am for it cba

[jagged pier]

Mine wasnt

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, there was no "Hall" achivement to revoke

[jagged pier]

I did do it again cauae when i did it, it wasnt dropping all the rewards

[spice iron]

I remember seeing a post about it, but yeah it might be the hall thing

[undone beacon]

@errant wagon What delve did u do to unlock up to it? i wanna get in there fast

[cerulean tusk]

It wasnt ky'vezza we reflect killed tho

it was the other lad

[spice iron]

You walked into the daggers from Ky'vezza, no?

[cerulean tusk]

the one I oneshot, gg ez, and thus cant remember, 1st season

[errant wagon]

I did sunkiller sanctum but I have no idea if that was smart. I just did a mega pull to the end 3 times in a row

[cerulean tusk]

No, I dodged them

[spice iron]

No I mean like that's how you cheesed it with Spell Reflect

[daring marlin]

damn

I can't win shit

[cerulean tusk]

Gotta ask Jakey, I guess

[cerulean tusk]

You won our respect and hearts

[lusty grotto]

yes pre nerf

[spice iron]

That's what I thought

[cerulean tusk]

How can this fall through the cracks every time tho

[daring marlin]

guess a bunch of us froze midway through vor

lost roll on trinket and tier

reeeeeee

[cerulean tusk]

Well, this time around, it doesnt seem gamebreaking

it just an efficent SR

[spice iron]

What is it that's being Spell Reflect:ed, is it the oneshot cast? Haven't seen any hard mode footage

[cerulean tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqTYQ-q3vo

[spice iron]

Cheers

[cerulean tusk]

Sense making it look ez, but really - it is the hardest fight blizz have made so far

trust

[jagged pier]

They didnt revoked zek vir ither

One was the orbs one was the dagger

Both one shot

[cerulean tusk]

I am glad I did em without exploiting

well, the 1st one I prob did

[jagged pier]

I did them all without expoilting

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even remember the fight

[jagged pier]

And the sr on this isnt a one shot

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, as I stated before:

[jagged pier]

At least

[jagged pier]

I missed like half of it i was watching sense

Looks like sr twisting fate in the mage tower to me

[cerulean tusk]

I know, Skyhold always do be like that

[jagged pier]

Seems fine

Just know your class

Even tho i did it without that in legion :

I was a noob and forgot to test

Fucking sweating out my arse to inturpt and stop it anyway i could

[solid sun]

Pwar is the only tank I did the mage tower on

That fight stressed me out so much I said nah I’m good on repeating it

[jagged pier]

I did all the mage towers happy i did

[coarse bay]

I did none of them and incredibly sad i didnt

I remember doing a few attempts and just going back to m+

[solid sun]

I did pwar and arms

And WW

[ivory barn]

Damn

[ivory barn]

What ilvl was he

[spice iron]

Says at the beginning, 239

[ivory barn]

O.o so doable with current gear

[lusty grotto]

ill be going in at 236

just doing a 10 cause i hadnt unlocked an 11

[ivory barn]

I'm currently 240

[jagged pier]

I mean its probably doable in lvling gear

[undone beacon]

yeah worst part rn is unlocking up

[jagged pier]

?? Have always been doable week 1 of season

Just do the silvermoon 1 no? Thats always like 3 mins

[undone beacon]

collegiate?

[ivory barn]

That's what I did to get to T8 quick

[jagged pier]

Also just so ppl know its not jist prots that are doing it i know of a disc that as done it

[coarse bay]

Imagine a midweek release of a new hof

And it be easy enough to do within hours

[shut summit]

mage too, def doable as dps

proly just harder

[plain vapor]

i have to work for another 3 hours, hope it doesnt fill up by then

[solid sun]

Cam are you having a good time

[oblique quarry]

pretty safe to assume this is dog water bad?

[lusty grotto]

yes

but its a hero track so keep it in bags

[oblique quarry]

r i p my map haha

[coarse bay]

Im not home for another 4 hours and i need to remake my ui when i get home

Then i have prep before raid

Too much to do and no time

Stressed

[lofty warren]

Wowhead m+ tier list.. wtf is this garbage

[solid sun]

You’re alright

[stone charm]

so are we waiting to craft 1h wep untill after hc week?

[lusty grotto]

most of us are since myth crests arent available

[solid sun]

If it makes you feel any better I still have to finish leveling

[lofty warren]

Is pwar really that low?

[ionic fern]

"that low"?

4 of them are in the same tier.

[solid sun]

Mwahi

Don’t get pepega’d

[upbeat plover]

But its 5th

GGs

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, if your list a 3 steps, SAB, by definition of that list, B will be the low

[coarse bay]

If i ever want to know when a new tier list gets released somewhere, i can always trust pepega to find it

As plugged in as it gets with them

[lofty warren]

Well the kira list had pwar higher. Im just trying to justify not forcing myself to brew. I only have brew and pwar leveled and ain't no way im leveling another until they add some xp boosts

[coarse bay]

I have a solution for you

[cerulean tusk]

you 100% should go brew

[coarse bay]

If you dont want to brew

Literally dont

[cerulean tusk]

nah, pepe gotta go brew

[lofty warren]

Pwar is not higher than any other tank so relatively speaking its as low as it can get. There are other tanks just as low as it

[coarse bay]

You dont do high enough keys or play in teams, you do not need to conform to any “meta” even if there was one rn

[cerulean tusk]

Cam using many fancy words for making bad points, brew is the only right option

[solid sun]

Pepega is actually Dorki on a burner

[cerulean tusk]

you said so yourself

All points to you having to go brew

[lofty warren]

Is brew so much better than for sure it'll get nerfed?

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/roll-monopoly-dice-XtESoNon4ufgAjIk6m

[coarse bay]

Brew is so good that it cant get nerfed

They tried

Now you just play shadowpan like the lord intended

[ivory barn]

I'm like I wanna craft both my prot shield and my 2h

[lofty warren]

Honestly im glad shadowpan is better i disliked doing the other one

[solid sun]

Why did you dislike the other one, Pepega

[coarse bay]

[lofty warren]

Too many gcds spent on celestial infusion

And they pandemic gtfo

If ur gonna give me 2x charges they should work like shield block where I can press it and not think about it

[coarse bay]

Crazy take

Good thing this is pwar channel though

[glad drum]

W

[ivory barn]

Fabled achievement quickly runs home

[glad drum]

its pretty easy on prot

[toxic pewter]

am i too late how many have killed him

[daring marlin]

how would you be too late

you live on wow

brother

[toxic pewter]

i got into a raid

i should be doin that

should i just leave raid lol

[daring marlin]

me too

and I've gotten nothing

qq

[toxic pewter]

same

[lofty warren]

Where can I find:

1. Pwar mt st dps 5 min no tier
2. Pwar mt 5 target 5 min no tier
   3 & 4 same as 1 and 2 but with tier?

[toxic pewter]

not 1 piece yet

[daring marlin]

I'm slappin tho

[jagged pier]

If its like any hof u have till reset

[jagged pier]

U give yourself the gear u want in gear compare

And there u go

[ivory barn]

Is this just get to t11 delve and go do that?

[lofty warren]

Ty. I think there is a spreadsheet with this stuff I was hoping to get thay (or at least updated numbers for pwar)

[daring marlin]

another shit ass low roll on tier lmao

rolled a 3

[tribal wharf]

well the weekly apex box at least gave the right god damn slot of belt which was blue

and haste

so, not totally a wash

[solid sun]

Language

[tribal wharf]

i figured it would try to screw me again lol

no loot from dungeon

[coarse bay]

Those spreadsheets exist, but they arent really useful tbh. Some guilds mostly use it for choosing who to prio for tier. They arent really accurate or relevant

[toxic pewter]

wat fastest delve to do to get to ?? boss

[coarse bay]

People were saying the one in silvermoon earlier

Collegiate

[toxic pewter]

ok cool ty

[daring marlin]

surely if I get nothing in normal I'll have loot raining on me in heroic

right?

[coarse bay]

Surely

[daring marlin]

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

FUCK U NULLBOY

[coarse bay]

Man i swear

Im gonna get home

[solid sun]

Grats

[coarse bay]

And its gonna be hotfixed to impossible levels

Grats bear

[solid sun]

Cam is in full despairge mode

[coarse bay]

Is it true that there’s 30 myth crests not on cap? @undone beacon

[coarse bay]

Im already gonna only get 4 hours of sleep to prep for raid, and people still want me to do multiple armor stacked world tours somehow

Im dead

[solid sun]

Buddy

Sometimes you just gotta say no

[undone beacon]

Cam you wildin

[jagged pier]

nah its been done with multiple classes

[coarse bay]

Oh im not doing it

[coarse bay]

Ik, im not sure if they meant for it to be so easy

[jagged pier]

and last time they did it, i.e zkevir they made it impossible for anyone for several weeks

[coarse bay]

I guess its too late

[undone beacon]

this is sick

[solid sun]

Is that what you get

For being fabled

[jagged pier]

nah that will be for just killing

fabled is just title

[dusky canopy]

Wow that’s a badass mount

Gotta go yoink that one

[undone beacon]

you get the title "Fabled Vanquisher of Nullaeus"

[solid sun]

Are you in a freaking

Battle stance

While riding it

[coarse bay]

Surfing

[jagged pier]

thats how u right those types of mounts

surfing

[ebon geyser]

How hard is it and what ilvl

[buoyant sparrow]

Glad to see Prot in the raids

[coarse bay]

Relative to older ones, apparently easy and people are doing it below 240

[jagged pier]

no

the older ones were also like this

[ebon geyser]

Hopefully I get it when I get home

[jagged pier]

underpin honeslt probably easier

and i cant even do the new one

[coarse bay]

Underpin was so easy lmao

[ebon geyser]

I hated underpin due to kicking bombs

[solid sun]

Underpin was def easy

[jagged pier]

all of them were quite easy, remeber this content is more tailored for casuals

[glad drum]

this one's really easy on prot

[jagged pier]

its like mythic for casuals, so its not ever going to be as hard as a hc mid tier boss

[jagged pier]

its easy on a lot of classes

[glad drum]

ya

[solid sun]

Then ky’vezza missed the mark

[jagged pier]

u can just kite him so he never hits u

[jagged pier]

nah i think generally thats okay, probably a tad to hard

but it was only 3 mechanics

which happen at the same time

very easy to learn

like from the looks of it this new one has 3-4 mechanics

much the same, just no dodge

[solid sun]

Idk

[undone beacon]

I did it at 242 with level 16 valeera

[solid sun]

I don’t know anyone outside of you lot that killed ky’vezza

I don’t disagree that she was easy to learn, but pulling it off was not

[jagged pier]

i know a lot of ppl

I actually watched race to world last of it as well

[ivory barn]

Last one I touched was S1 TWW

[jagged pier]

honestly that one looks harder than this one, but only because of spell queuing

if it didnt have spell queuing it would be just as easy as this new one

[undone beacon]

Ky'veza was fun because yeah you basically did it right or you died

and i liked that

it was a tight dance

[jagged pier]

yer but from the looks of the new one

u do it right or u die

so its in the same vain

[pastel summit]

Delve boss with dps valeera is not a vibe.

[undone beacon]

I mean... not in the same way. Theres only one real one-shot

And thats if you miss the kick

Everything on ky'veza killed you

[jagged pier]

but just have vel as dps and she does it no?

[pastel summit]

Ya I didn't kick anything

[undone beacon]

Yeah if you have dps vel she does it lol

[pastel summit]

Makes livin last phase lil sketch

[undone beacon]

I did healer vel tho cuz i am a little bitch

[pastel summit]

dude hits like a sack of bricks

[undone beacon]

Yeah he starts ramping hard

[jagged pier]

meh ill give it ago tomorrow

i cba getting up at 4am

[undone beacon]

Das fair

[solid sun]

See

Now the truth starts coming out

He hits like a sack of bricks!

There was no mention of brick sacks prior to now

[jagged pier]

he gets a stacking buff each phase no?

but u can also just kite him

thats what healers are doing

and letting vel just kill him

[solid sun]

Can I do that too

On pwar

[jagged pier]

if u want

[solid sun]

Can I just run away until he dies

That’s crazy

[jagged pier]

i mean ive not done it

but i presume so

if he cant get to u

[solid sun]

An entire phase of heroic throw and wrecking throw

[jagged pier]

he cant hit u with mega stacked bricks

[tranquil timber]

Hey guys, where can I find a full BiS list for Prot Warrior?

[ebon geyser]

Heal valeera

[ebon geyser]

Icy veins

[tranquil timber]

TY

[undone beacon]

I did yeah

[ebon geyser]

Ty

[tranquil timber]

Which BIS list is more reliable, Icy Veins or Wowhead?

[jagged pier]

icy veins

but there is no such thing as a bis list, trinkets sure, but u just sim otherwise

[tranquil timber]

Thanks! My guild is asking for a BiS list to manage loot priority, so I want to make sure I have the right one.

[ionic fern]

That's dumb.

No offense.

Your "Bis" list depends on what you have available right now.

[pastel summit]

Huh. I guess everybody doing 0s or splits.

[lusty grotto]

oh its 4k?

[pastel summit]

Ye, but I think people like having a sort of thing to work towards.

[pastel summit]

It was 10k at one point, wasn't it

[lusty grotto]

i got sniped meetings did 2 tries

net went down

everything is against me

lmao

[tranquil timber]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[lusty grotto]

almost got him on 3rd try though

[ivory barn]

O.o only 300 so far

[lusty grotto]

i thought it was a 100

tbh

[pastel summit]

Also you can Fearless off the curse in the final phase.

[ivory barn]

I hope I can get off in an hour and blitz T8 to T11 then that before raid

[lusty grotto]

just reflect the debuff on boss and valeera takes it off

its only a slow

only hurts you if youre close to the portal

but still good call

[undone beacon]

So I was def within the first 250 people, wonder if i was within 200

[lusty grotto]

also dont do like i did on first try to and think javelineer kicks boss lmao

[undone beacon]

I'm pleased :3

[undone beacon]

just had to explain that to my warr friend in disc

[pastel summit]

I did dps valeera so she'd kick everything, I'd reflect every cast

other prot friend said healer was a lot more relaxed

[undone beacon]

Yeah i did healer cuz im a bitch, was very chill

[pastel summit]

Upside to dps was also that adds died insta

all three sets dead before boss out

[undone beacon]

oh thats nice

tho i didnt really have an issue with them

Just cleaved them into oblivion on the boss, farmed some impending victory resets

[ivory barn]

2hrs should be plenty of time

[tranquil edge]

Hi quick q, is 201 ilvl too low to get thru M0s? As an exp tank

[pastel summit]

That's fine.

It's more likely to cause a social issue than anything else, really.

[ivory barn]

Fill your own group

[tranquil edge]

Haha sounds about right

[pastel summit]

Although 200 at this point when world quests spit out 220-230 is a rough go.

[tranquil edge]

Yeah will give it a go, ty for saving me some potential time <3

[tranquil edge]

IK, just barely had time to even unlock WQs

[tribal wharf]

im not as annoyed now

but stil

[rocky briar]

guys, what are you crafting for raid tomorrow, weap or embellish?

[lofty warren]

Qhat do you get if ur first 250?

[jagged pier]

U get 'fated' infront of the title

[daring marlin]

crown of the cosmos is sick

[jagged pier]

If u are in the first 4000

Everything else u just get for killing it

[ivory barn]

Where you get that

[jagged pier]

M0

[paper stone]

ANybody knows what time the Torment's Rise opens on EU ?

[jagged pier]

4 am for me

Well 5 am server time

Depends on timezone

[tribal wharf]

at least its a weapon i can equip

even though i will craft a better one lol

my warrior is first always, really should have look at axe

[frank bobcat]

Alright gamers what's the verdict on pugging normal raid today? Any roadblocks or is it doable?

[autumn roost]

We like you more than we like the paladin though

[frank bobcat]

I just realized I asked this like 3 hours after release lmfao ill check back in tonight after work 💀 💀 💀

[errant wagon]

damn @shut summit you were #1: https://www.dataforazeroth.com/leaderboards/race-solo-nullaeus/us?rank=1
I'm a lowly #11

for the nemesis achieve

[tribal wharf]

is mythic 0 now a daily reset

thats how it appears on calender

[undone beacon]

Mine hasn’t shown up on the board yet :(

[tribal wharf]

and you can run the seasonals as a zero?

[undone beacon]

But I’m p sure I got it before kennie

Smh

[errant wagon]

oh nice you got it done? Gratz!

[undone beacon]

Danke. Would’ve been faster but I only had delves unlocked through T6 so

I had to spam some out

[tribal wharf]

im gunna get a proper weapon come hell or high water

i'll show you game

give me weapon

[shut summit]

[errant wagon]

big gratz

[solid sun]

Sense is so mighty

Share some of your skill, dude

[ivory barn]

What level was your valeera?

[undone beacon]

I think in the video his was 45

I did it with like a level 16 or 17 valeera tho

[ivory barn]

I think mine is like... Level 9

[shut summit]

45

[ivory barn]

Do you just collect the curios until you can't?

[quick grail]

How many pulls did you do?

[solid sun]

He one shot that dude

Absolutely wrecked

[toxic pewter]

POG

[winged oar]

we going in as col or thane tonight boys

[ionic fern]

Thane.

[winged oar]

execute col feeling crack

[shut summit]

ya was just 1

[toxic pewter]

Sense is a true living legend #1 MY LORD

i AM NOT WORTHY

[quick grail]

damn son

[lofty warren]

Is it top 250 ppl for achieve or anytime before 1st reset?

[toxic pewter]

first 4000 in region

[rancid dagger]

Anyone from NA can tell me how many slots are taken from the Delve Boss?

[coarse bay]

1

If you mean vault

Wait does it even do it anymore

I think in s1 they mightve changed it

[chrome falcon]

do you think valeera level matters

[rancid dagger]

I mean the top 4k Fabled stuff 😄

[chrome falcon]

there's a leaderboard

[rancid dagger]

Got a link by chance?

[chrome falcon]

scroll up a bit

[rancid dagger]

Data for Azeroth is inaccurate, when someone posted 285/4000 taken like an hour ago there were less than 50 on there

[ivory barn]

Oh she's level 10

[shut summit]

easily doable without

[chrome falcon]

i legit wasn't even going to try

because i assumed blizz would make tanks bad at it

any crazy relics for it?

[dusky canopy]

LOL I won’t tell em no worries 😜

[toxic pewter]

i made thhe top 100 il ltake it

[tribal wharf]

okay, rage is gone

yogi trinket is happen

wtf, so i have to find a way to use it when im going to take 120k dmg

[frank bobcat]

The delve boss is already out? 😭 😭 😭 knew i shoulda called out

[toxic pewter]

yah

[frank bobcat]

Ilvl?

[toxic pewter]

im like 245 with a lvl 17 valeera