Yes, a replicator
#protection
warm plinth
tribal wharf
alrighty lets go
warm plinth
Uh, like what? BG3 type shit?
solid sun
Skyhold rpg night could be funny
daring marlin
Dang
I wanted to level my DK and Warrior tonight but looks like my power is out.
sick
mighty valley
you should build a squat-powered generator
daring marlin
lmfao
warm plinth
pastel slate
any prots want to run a zero arms channel says prot will out dps arms we trying to test this theory ?
sharp gale
they talk bc they know they will be the number 1 dps warrior spec
solid sun
Noted
sharp gale
maybe the real patch note was the friends we made along the way
tribal wharf
so, with pwar, i HAVE to hit, avatar i guess it is first? then demo?
cuz on paladin i can just mash all the cds at once and not incur a GCD
so i can then have full duration of buffs
kills my rotation on warrior when i dont activate correctly
cerulean tusk
30 minutes
You better not have lied, I waited soon 30min for this 
sharp gale
30 minutes
warm plinth
- 30 minutes
small steeple
that + did a lot of heavy lifting
warm plinth
💪
solid sun
3 more minutes
molten hollow
It smells in here.
cerulean tusk
I trusted you, Rhino...
sharp gale
Only siths deals in absolutes
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
yes thats what happens when you dont move
from the checks picture 8 glacial barrages that dropped on you
small steeple
lmao
lusty grotto
and/or if you were rooted, which was most likely the case, you didnt kill the root and ate the full damage of the barrages
tribal wharf
knew i should have bubble regen it
small steeple
hi nim
lusty grotto
hey
warm plinth
30 minutes
solid sun
Alright thirty minutes
cursive python
sharp gale
He is asking if we cast demo shout before avatar
lusty grotto
you didnt see what he was saying earlier
GCD (Avatar non gcd) Demo
is fine
avatar lasts longer than demo
so yes it should go before, between gcd windows
sharp gale
Yeah I didn’t know the answer myself and I know fury have the weird OF situation where you cast it outside of avatar
warm plinth
I think it might be a nappy nap situation
mighty valley
both have variable cooldowns so… just press them as soon as you can most of the time
warm plinth
Yeah I didn’t know the answer myself and I know fury have the weird OF situation...
Fury has an OnlyFans situation?
lusty grotto
yeah harrow is correct
tribal wharf
how about SC, instant spell or sorcery?
lusty grotto
ideally avatar comes first if both are up, but the order doesnt matter as avatar can just be cast in the gcd window
either you avatar in the gcd window before, or the demo gcd window
sharp gale
Fury has an OnlyFans situation?
First rule
tribal wharf
cuz, i find often i waste SC with only demo or avatar going out, but i will swear i hit the button
and then paladin mash f1-f3 (those are my main cd button)
and then it just work
lusty grotto
you SC with avatar + demo ideally
mighty valley
you’re probably mashing your demo bind while on GCD from another ability
so it’s not going off
sharp gale
In practice I might still throw a first thunderclap as first gcd after avatar for aggro, maybe I’m wrong
tribal wharf
yeah, cuz im trying to be better on making sure those go out, maybe bear and dh and bdk is less clunky like that
actually, i think bdk is more clunky than pwar except pulling
keen eagle
Anyone have some numbers on where prot warr currently stands for tank damage in dungeons?
lusty grotto
DRW is on the gcd, if that's what you mean
tribal wharf
same issue i have with monk, long cd for not much DR, not used to this as warrior
sharp gale
Do you have runes issue on bdk ?
mighty valley
i’m starting to cool on auto proc ravager from all the times it triggers in the middle of nowhere while gathering
lusty grotto
happy...
sharp gale
It is snap aggro tool
mighty valley
asking chatgpt for wow advice is like asking reddit for wow advice
since I’m sure that’s where half the training comes from
tribal wharf
i think this was earlier version ofgpt
lusty grotto
he doesnt trust advice from here, remember
coarse bay
Anyone have some numbers on where prot warr currently stands for tank damage in ...
There’s multiple expected tuning passes coming, so even if we had the information, it’d be useless.
lusty grotto
i have to remind myself every time i try to give him some
sharp gale
Are you willing to stop giving them
coarse bay
But fwiw, pwar sits somewhere between like 3-5th place probably 🙂
lusty grotto
or unlearn
coarse bay
Ive never really understood the people that say once you play bdk, you love it more than anything
sharp gale
I won’t either + you can be easily gcd lock currently on bdk if you are learning
tribal wharf
uh is i am vastly too stupid to play it properly
sharp gale
you die very very fast from gcd lock on bdk
sharp gale
i havent been gcd locked and my DK is this close to 90
You play with consumption ?
sharp gale
Kinda weird I had some gcd lock in the last levels
lusty grotto
probs haste related
sharp gale
You had manaforge gear ?
lusty grotto
no
sharp gale
Bc I was undermine gear mostly
lusty grotto
sharp gale
Maybe I’m doing something wrong, I didn’t check the midnight rotation tbf
Undermine is 110-120 gear
coarse bay
Ya my rogue was like 122-123 when i leveled it
lusty grotto
my toons are my crafters, i just level them and sometimes i just dont play em
coarse bay
Toon slop
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
ill get the numbers in a sec
tribal wharf
10% aura buff is fine with me
tribal wharf
brew slight nerf
hardy snow
arms still under bear I guess
tribal wharf
huge paladin buffs looks like
solid sun
No way arms is cranking now @dusky canopy
lusty grotto
0 prot paladin changes
tribal wharf
they buffed the hell out of ret
warm plinth
30 minutes
Just saying
lusty grotto
execute remains bad
glad magnet
they buffed the hell out of ret
needed it
lusty grotto
ehh i woudnt say that
unreal yarrow
Fury got almost as big a buff as arms
sharp gale
Just saying
Just saying
tropic star
doesnt this loss of crit kinda hurt colussus even more
lusty grotto
ill do a sim in afew and get actual numbers
but i estimate around 3% increase overall
unreal yarrow
Really, that little?
undone beacon
lusty grotto
if its an aura buff
undone beacon
lusty grotto
then yes
the wording is never clear
it'll never be a 10% increase to sim numbers
or rather
tribal wharf
does not change we have to have shield block to trigger it right
dusky canopy
No way arms is cranking now <@224952758808215555>
Oh yeah bro wow they bumped that 74k ST up to 85k!!! Like they’re actually licking windows bro idk what else to say
lusty grotto
its highly unlikely
tropic star
Really, that little?
so we lost 10% dam and 20% crit on SS for just 10%dmg after TC, and then a 10% aura
sharp gale
Oh yeah bro wow they bumped that 74k ST up to 85k!!! Like they’re actually licki...
They promised 2 target juggernaut 
tropic star
pretty hard hit to SS damage it feels like
undone beacon
so we lost 10% dam and 20% crit on SS for just 10%dmg after TC, and then a 10% a...
“In addition to existing effects”
Reading the notes explains the notes
tropic star
thank you
lusty grotto
so we lost 10% dam and 20% crit on SS for just 10%dmg after TC, and then a 10% a...
this is 500% incorrect
tribal wharf
trying to understand what they are changing, they are removing the 5% dr on first node and moving it to last?
lusty grotto
its one of the two buffs we predicted
tribal wharf
is that what im seeing here
lofty warren
Horry shit
lusty grotto
unfortunately no execute buffs but it is what it is
tropic star
i do in fact not read good
lofty warren
Where does this put pwar at now?
sharp gale
i do in fact not read good
Brown class malus
lusty grotto
ill have numbers in a few
azure valley
are these good buff
lusty grotto
im busy
azure valley
okok
tribal wharf
same as always i figure :S
lusty grotto
unless mwahi is around and shares em
tribal wharf
clunky low dmg utility tank that takes no dmg
glad magnet
unfortunately no execute buffs but it is what it is
blessed, im on the anti execute bus
lofty warren
10% more damage and the apex talent dr is just moved from point 1 to point 4??
toxic pewter
LOL
glad magnet
arms in full revolt
i would feel sad for arms if i wasnt getting so much content out of their dooming
tribal wharf
im gunna go lurk in arms
undone beacon
They shot Psychic Link again
undone beacon
From 60% to 20%
sharp gale
Gg
undone beacon
Grats
toxic pewter
From 60% to 20%
whoa
lusty grotto
only 2 more to go
toxic pewter
thats awful
lusty grotto
DH and 2nd Warrior
undone beacon
That aughta just remove Psychic Link and give us back exploding apparitions or something
sharp gale
200% legendary tomrus comment
lofty warren
I dont understand. We only got a 10% damage dealt so just take the current number and multiply it by 1.1?
undone beacon
this is bad bad
Why?
It’s not like there was anything worth taking instead of the fourth point of apex
azure valley
not in m+
tribal wharf
rank 1 is now having 10% more shield slam damage
tribal wharf
to compensate for making 5% dr r4
chrome cipher
What does this mean? I'm not seeing a difference unless they mean its gonna be 10%?
ah i see my bad
tribal wharf
i used to play magic the gathering and yugioh
so reading the card explains the card
daring marlin
i would feel sad for arms if i wasnt getting so much content out of their doomin...
LMAO
My favorite is them being mad at Ret getting buffs.
sharp gale
Still funny you have fucking pepega in the mix
daring marlin
Still funny you have fucking pepega in the mix
YOU'RE RIGHT LMFAOOOOO
chrome cipher
so reading the card explains the card
I get the sarcasm but its worded the exact same no?
shell crescent
They swapped them because people were only taking the first apex talent.
chrome cipher
pfft
chrome cipher
"You have the choice" No take it all
azure valley
for m+
sharp gale
if this is good or not
Why
gleaming spoke
don't understand the range decrease for piercing howl but 10% is actually massive
lofty warren
Updated M + tier list just leaked:
S: Bear
A: Brew, Pwar, VDH
B: Ppal
D: DK
azure valley
bear s ????????
lofty warren
Yes it's nucking futs
gleaming spoke
Horry shit
doesn't this just swap the buffs of rank 1 and rank 4? or are they adding another 10% to shield slam through rank 1? wonder if the crit chance on rank 4 is staying
tulip bridge
Updated M + tier list just leaked:
S: Bear
A: Brew, Pwar, VDH
B: Ppal
D: DK
M+ KEKW
lofty warren
Yes all it did was move where apex talent thing is. Only real change is 10% dps buff
gleaming spoke
Yes all it did was move where apex talent thing is. Only real change is 10% dps ...
is the crit chance still there on the rank 4?
cerulean tusk
Are they trying to sell us to throw in 3 more points into the apex, for 5% DR?
raw parcel
10% buff. We eatin' good, boys?
toxic pewter
yes
raw parcel
Is it the hour of the warrior?
toxic pewter
lol
azure valley
10% buff. We eatin' good, boys?
idk bro we have to spend 3 points
lofty warren
is the crit chance still there on the rank 4?
Yes. All they did was take th 5% dr from the 1st point and moved it to 4th. No other change
azure valley
to het the real talent on rank 4
cerulean tusk
I am confused, didnt they want us to take the 4th?
raw parcel
idk bro we have to spend 3 points
10% damage. BIG NUMBER.
tulip bridge
Is it the hour of the warrior?
X doubt, I bet for raid it’ll be prot pal and brewmaster still
tulip bridge
Good amount of dots in the raid also
lofty warren
Pwar gonna be not the best but also not the worst
sharp gale
Wisdom has spoken
cerulean tusk
I am just reading these notes and I wonder if the devs even play the game 
I gotta have missed out on something
sharp gale
Idk seems ok for raid tuning
cerulean tusk
Maybe we always wanted that DR all along or something. Maybe BDK is fine. Maybe arms didnt really need buffs
cerulean tusk
Prot pally does more DPS than my Fury on St in m0 
they prob fine
sweet egret
10% of nothing is still nothing
lusty grotto
oh they did actually nerf our apex talents overall
no
cerulean tusk
Guess they dont want us to grab the apex talents, if they didnt chance the phy dam bonus behind the scenes, to make 2/3 worth
cerulean tusk
That is just the flat spec buff tho, not linked to the apex, no?
mighty valley
the 10% shield slam damage used to be while sb was up (ie always)
lusty grotto
there's 2
sharp gale
They buffed the apex and aura buff
mighty valley
now it’s after each tc
lusty grotto
harrow youre misreading it
sharp gale
now it’s after each tc
They didn’t change apex 4
They added the dmg reduction to apex 4
cerulean tusk
harrow youre misreading it
Other than the aura buff
What did they do to make us go 4/4 apex?
daring narwhal
the 10% shield slam damage used to be while sb was up (ie always)
I assume the 10% while sb is still there from wording
lusty grotto
yes
mighty valley
I guess the wording is ambiguous, I can’t tell if it’s saying they’re just adding that effect to current r4 OR if it’s saying that’s the only effect of r4 now
lusty grotto
but hey shit has happened, so im not gonna dismiss it outright
blizzard wording in a nutshell
lusty grotto
Other than the aura buff
What did they do to make us go 4/4 apex?
you dont have to
daring narwhal
I think it's just rework 1/4 completely and 4/4 is everything currently + something new
daring narwhal
So SS should be good damage with 4/4
gleaming spoke
I guess the wording is ambiguous, I can’t tell if it’s saying they’re just addin...
yeah they didn't mention the crit increase of shield slam that's in the current 4th apex
lusty grotto
what in tarnation is that piercing howl change
its pretty self explanatory given their comment
gleaming spoke
for what reason
no idea, no reason for it to be 12 yd range
knotty mantle
Just seems like an overshoot if you compare it to stampeding roar which has like double the ms and can be talented to 1 minute
lusty grotto
its not supposed to be used like stampeding roar
roar is a lot more move speed anyway
its not a big deal
cerulean tusk
I am too tired i will go sleep, things will make sense tomorrow
Surely they fixed something
sweet egret
isnt 12 yards already tiny
lusty grotto
why is this a problem
sharp gale
The yard change is the weird part for me tbf
knotty mantle
right but clearly the addition of the mspeed was to give it some type of roar-like value
lusty grotto
this doesnt make or break the class
mighty valley
I fail to see how they did something to fix the problem of us not going 4/4
the dr% is a good use of a talent point
sweet egret
less movespeed, less aoe and less cd surely is ok for howl vs roar
instead of less movespeed, much less aoe and more cd?
lusty grotto
Going from absolutely no utility before midnight to having 4 utility buttons - reworking the weakest one is not a huge deal
if anything its a free talent point
sweet egret
did they fix nerfs to howl?
toxic pewter
the nerf to howl actually my least fav change
feelsbadman
all around unhappy with this tuning pass
knotty mantle
did they fix nerfs to howl?
if only
lusty grotto
kinda feels like the dps channels are bleeding in
just bitching to bitch
OH NO NOT PIERCING HOWL
unreal yarrow
I wasn't really using howl more than once a pull anyway
ivory barn
do I need to be concerned with these bear/brew nerfs
unreal yarrow
It won't change its functionality for me
glad magnet
*OH NO NOT PIERCING HOWL*
bro i used this that one time doing that one thing one time HOW COULD THEY NERF IT ITS ICONIC
knotty mantle
I think non-throughput changes will probably get you more emotional responses since you can feel the difference in moment to moment gameplay through utility spells
lusty grotto
bro i used this that one time doing that one thing one time HOW COULD THEY NERF ...
HOW DARE THEY
glad magnet
HOW DARE THEY
knotty mantle
it feels good to dispel, speed someone up, break a root, etc... much harder to tell if 5% more or less damage made a difference
lusty grotto
lets go pink and close the channel, shit is fucked
mighty valley
i can honestly see a 30s ms group buff being stronger than you’d expect in real content
lofty warren
10% damage buff is still not enough. Bear is going to be doing way more damage and its not fair
solid sun
I’m never gonna use piercing fucking howl. Mama didn’t raise no bitch I don’t howl
unreal yarrow
Bear got nerfed hard didn't they?
mighty valley
the bear nerfs looked meaningful but idk
glad magnet
lets go pink and close the channel, shit is fucked
not enough, copy resto shamans, straight delete the fucking discord, its over
solid sun
Let’s start our own discord decoupled from dps specs
toxic pewter
yah bear got giga nerfed
lofty warren
I complained today that Pierce howl was too weak and they made it worse! Im just going to untalent it
toxic pewter
yeah itll prob be an untalent
mighty valley
pepega own up to not reading the bear nerfs
unreal yarrow
I still like it for gathering
mighty valley
take accountability
solid sun
Listen I’m gonna be so for real
unreal yarrow
And to move to new packs in places like windrunner spire
solid sun
I read the warrior changes and then exited the page
sweet egret
but what about the second page of bug fixes?
azure valley
good
sweet egret
which bugs do we have?
lusty grotto
none
lofty warren
Bear with a little baby 15% nerf. Meanwhile they are doing 200% of our dps
unreal yarrow
Bug fixes were further nerfs to Bear if I understand them
mighty valley
we’re fine now, we’re getting a damage buff so we’ll be more fine
mighty valley
Bear with a little baby 15% nerf. Meanwhile they are doing 200% of our dps
insane lies you just made up
solid sun
Idk I got rolly pollies in the backyard
solid sun
Good
sweet egret
yesss, 0 dps +10% best day ever
lusty grotto
that number is pre nerf and there will be a push from mwahi to optimize the apl further
lusty grotto
so those numbers are not final
mighty valley
36252
solid sun
Don’t wanna be the top tank spec. All those beginning of the expansion fotm rerollers flooding our peaceful island sounds like poop
gleaming spoke
I complained today that Pierce howl was too weak and they made it worse! Im just...
30s roar wasn't weak imo, shoulda been on a 60s cd imo, the range nerf is so bad
sweet egret
ye better be bad all expansion long and have empty discord
solid sun
My friends will still be here
lusty grotto
ye better be bad all expansion long and have empty discord
whats wrong with that?
lofty warren
For a 30% movement increase and it uses up a gcd. Would rather 60 second and give me 100% speed increase
mighty valley
yeah pepega. I’d also like a million dollars
sweet egret
luckily running doesn't take gcds
unreal yarrow
exactly
sweet egret
so you weren't really using them anyway
unreal yarrow
The range change will make it miss ranged
sweet egret
The range change will make it miss ranged
deserved tbh
lofty warren
Are you telling me that bear is not going to be top dps tank after these? I feel like it is.. it just won't mega mega gap other.. other regular mega gap
unreal yarrow
Maybe, minor either way
gleaming spoke
imo it's just another raidwide speed increase added to the game, increasing overall uptime of movespeed increases in the raid
vocal vessel
Why does this say ret pally was doing 129-130 DPS?
sweet egret
ye raidwide 6 yard buff
lofty warren
Ret paladin sims arent done
sweet egret
on another note, why is the campaign 17 chapters and 17 hours long?
sweet egret
I don't play wow to have solo rp time, don't like being forced to do so much if I want to play m+
toxic pewter
lol
sweet egret
I'm reacting to your laugh with a crying emoji
unreal yarrow
Didn't you do it while leveling?
daring marlin
I am level 86
GOOD NEWS YOU STILL HAVE NEARLY TWO WEEKS
toxic pewter
you can just queue random dungeons to level if u want
daring marlin
UNTIL YOU CAN DO M+!!!
mighty valley
the campaign is not very long
toxic pewter
maybe that other game i forget the name is more right for you
solid sun
Cat didn’t do any of the campaign, hit 90, and he’s gonna do endgame content
sharp gale
League of legends
solid sun
So idk
toxic pewter
yeah im not entirely sure u need to do campaign i may be wrong tho
daring marlin
maybe that other game i forget the name is more right for you
FELLOWSHIP GROSS
sharp gale
Fellowship is the game
toxic pewter
yeah maybe u want fellowship
tbh
not even joking
cuz im out there in the world personally
im in every zone for hours each day
sweet egret
I am at work for hours each day
daring marlin
I am at work for hours each day
nobody else works, right
toxic pewter
unreal yarrow
I think he draws a salary as official feelycrafter
ionic rock
They just swapped the location of the apex ? Or am i missing sum ?
toxic pewter
They just swapped the location of the apex ? Or am i missing sum ?
yeah basically
ionic rock
Crazy changes
sweet egret
I canceled every single cinematic this expansion, even the start one on opening the game at launch
Xd
lusty grotto
this is gonna take me a while lol
solid dove
I canceled every single cinematic this expansion, even the start one on opening ...
But how will you connect with the characters on a deeper, more emotional level?!?!
sweet egret
yes, that
lusty grotto
I canceled every single cinematic this expansion, even the start one on opening ...
congrats?
what do you want? a prize?
sweet egret
haha
lusty grotto
do keep filling us in on how you play the game, we certainly do care a lot
sweet egret
sorry bro
sharp gale
this is gonna take me a while lol
Can you send me the advanced script/whatever, just to see how you do it ?
If you can ofc
deft swan
yeah basically
No, they added a rank 4 forcing you to put all points into apex if you want the damage reduction
removing the damage reduction from rank 1
lofty warren
what is there to math out? isn't it just current dps * 1.1?
lusty grotto
no
lofty warren
What else is there? APL optimizations?
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
i dont want a million questions
lofty warren
the patch notes literally just say 10% damage increase I dont understand
lusty grotto
of course you dont
spiral jetty
watching pepega terrorize multiple tank channels like an absolute pro
lofty warren
dont call it a comeback. ive been here for years
lusty grotto
i was wondering how you guys were dealing with him lmao
vocal vessel
the patch notes literally just say 10% damage increase I dont understand
You also have to factor in the earth shattering piercing howl changes for prot DPS. Could take months to fully process
sharp gale
Some discords has just muted him
lusty grotto
lol ive heard about fel hammer
sweet egret
You also have to factor in the earth shattering piercing howl changes for prot D...
this is true
lusty grotto
i think directly from him tbh
urban bane
Wait did they just flip the first and last apex talent for us to "make it more appealing" to spec into it?
lusty grotto
it was overloaded wiith stuff
azure valley
so idk
toxic pewter
They want people to be using the new apex talents.. they said that before in the past
lofty warren
yes i think ppl were trying to not spend points on using all the apex
lusty grotto
so they just shifted stuff to the end to not have so many effects on the first node
thats kind of it
urban bane
yucky
sharp gale
yes i think ppl were trying to not spend points on using all the apex
Is it bad in your opinion ?
urban bane
Not as dumb as dorki thank god
lusty grotto
not looking good brothers
can you stop spamming the channel with "not looking good"
what are you hoping to accomplish here
lofty warren
dorki released updated tier list
sharp gale
He has a library card
azure valley
can you stop spamming the channel with "not looking good"
spamming? legit 2 times
lol
toxic pewter
brewmater dodged any and all nerfs basically
azure valley
if you dont agree on it
lusty grotto
was the piercing howl nerf way too much or something??
azure valley
that is your problem
lusty grotto
not looking good bros, we just got a damage buff, buffs are bad
azure valley
read
lusty grotto
pack it up crew
azure valley
again
mighty valley
when does dorki thing I should brush my teeth. when is nap time dorki
azure valley
what i sad
undone beacon
If you're upset about them buffing and shuffling around effects on the apex talents... i dont know what to tell you we didnt lose anything with this tuning brother
sharp gale
when does dorki thing I should brush my teeth. when is nap time dorki
I prefer growl
urban bane
I prefer growl
based
undone beacon
Literally the only negative change to prot warrior is piercing howl cd getting tripled (oh nooooo)
sweet egret
also range halved
undone beacon
oh that too i guess
lost grotto
does prot stay in defensive stance or only when taking heavy dmg?
sweet egret
it's too much to bear
undone beacon
piercing howl got shot (oh noooooo)
toxic pewter
how does it compare to the other movement speed increasing abilities
undone beacon
does prot stay in defensive stance or only when taking heavy dmg?
Yeah we stay dstance unless you're trying to gigaparse
toxic pewter
whats the deal with wind rush totem
undone beacon
whats the deal with wind rush totem
40% speed, 2 min CD
toxic pewter
hmmm
pallid quiver
the range is the bigger issue; 12 yards at max feels like ass
toxic pewter
and stampeding roar these days?
roar seems strongest to me
cant it be like 60% at 1.5 min cd
sweet egret
ass feels good tho?
sharp gale
the range is the bigger issue; 12 yards at max feels like _ass_
I don’t have that big of an ass
toxic pewter
yeah 12 yards is pretty bad
pallid quiver
I liked it being a small movement increase on a short cd because it let you rotate melee clumps in a feel good way without being majorly enabling in terms of speed
ivory barn
both my fury weapons are 240 so this is fine >.<
undone beacon
and stampeding roar these days?
2 min base, 60% speed, can be reduced to 1 min CD, 15 yards
pallid quiver
this change just makes it feel more like almost a hybrid mutant mix of a personal speed buff/kite tool and a shitty roar
toxic pewter
2 min base, 60% speed, can be reduced to 1 min CD, 15 yards
yeah damn that seems so much stronger lol but alas I know it almost should be
undone beacon
Guess they decided they gave warrior too many cool new toys and had to put one back in the bin
pallid quiver
god forbid you don't take up shout buffs with it being 6 yards
toxic pewter
yah
ivory barn
<:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
gotta keep prot and fury up to par, my Brew tank for Raid is getting pissy
toxic pewter
gotta spend 2 points on that roar tho so that is much more expensive
sweet egret
which cool new toys exactly?
sharp gale
gotta keep prot and fury up to par, my Brew tank for Raid is getting pissy
You got free upgrades if your fury weapons are 240, no ? Buy a shield ?
toxic pewter
yeah i will admit this nerf to howl does seem justifed if im being honest if u compare it all
pallid quiver
which cool new toys exactly?
Silence with throws, speed buff on howl, stance mastey as a whole, etc
toxic pewter
yeah we are looking good for the start of the season
ivory barn
You got free upgrades if your fury weapons are 240, no ? Buy a shield ?
O.o WHAT
undone beacon
which cool new toys exactly?
Ranged silence, bigger battle shout for you, rally buffs, healing buff talent, piercing speed, intim not being useless
hidden veldt
So been busy and seen there was a update, reads like prot got a buffed or am I stupid? Just wondering if I need to level a new tank or prot still gonna be okay lol
undone beacon
So been busy and seen there was a update, reads like prot got a buffed or am I s...
Yes prot got buffed
ivory barn
shield is crafted, cant upgrade it
undone beacon
I’m unsure it applies to the shield, it’s been a while
It should
hidden veldt
Yes prot got buffed
Idk if prot needed a buff tbh 😂
toxic pewter
Idk if prot needed a buff tbh 😂
undone beacon
Idk if prot needed a buff tbh 😂
It did
ivory barn
make that shield rank 5 and it wil lbe 246
sadge
toxic pewter
just get another bs to make it
hidden veldt
Really? lol I been doing top dmg in all my mythics and never losing any health
raw parcel
10% more damage. That feels pretty huge to me. 😄
toxic pewter
tell em u want it rank 5
undone beacon
Really? lol I been doing top dmg in all my mythics and never losing any health
Thats because people in m0s are largely shitters. Compared to other tanks prot was in a bad spot
sharp gale
You do top dmg bc ppl are bad
ivory barn
tell em u want it rank 5
its obsolete soon tho
hidden veldt
Thats because people in m0s are largely shitters. Compared to other tanks prot w...
Ya okay guess that makes sense 😂
toxic pewter
its obsolete soon tho
yeah true doesnt really matter in long run
so was bear doing more dam than brew or wat
cuz...
bear got nuked and brew got zero nerfs
ivory barn
cant even recraft it while wearing it, cap
toxic pewter
interesting lol
lusty grotto
not interesting
thats been the case since crafting 2.0
i.e. DF
just take it off and recraft it
not a hard thing to do
undone beacon
Bear discord right now is a hoot
sharp gale
Are they rawring ?
mighty valley
send pepega in there to tell them they weren’t really nerfed much
lusty grotto
haha
white stag
Fellow warriors what’s the move main prot and alt blood or the other way around?
undone beacon
Fellow warriors what’s the move main prot and alt blood or the other way around?
Which one do you like more?
mighty valley
Fellow warriors what’s the move main prot and alt blood or the other way around?
main the one you like playing better
undone beacon
send pepega in there to tell them they weren’t really nerfed much
pepega is all over it already
raw parcel
Honestly this round of tuning feels pretty solid. Druid definitely needed a backhanded slap.
mighty valley
🫡
sharp gale
How I imagine bear channel
white stag
I like old blood but now it doesn’t seem that fun with all the prunes. I haven’t mained warrior in a bit and thinking maybe it can be fun again.
sharp gale
https://tenor.com/view/bear-fight-kung-fu-punch-kick-gif-17355780
You made me feel old crazy fast
lusty grotto
I like old blood but now it doesn’t seem that fun with all the prunes. I haven’t...
all tanks got pruned
undone beacon
bear discord on fire rn
lusty grotto
and simplified
its not any different for us
but we cant really suggest one class over the other
mighty valley
we’re (mostly) here because we like prot warrior lol
lusty grotto
since we're 100% biased, at least the one-tricks in here
undone beacon
If you played pwarr in TWW it feels more or less the same. Our advice is always play what you enjoy, because you're probably not raiding in Limit or something
If you're a bleeding edge title key HOF gremlin, you dont need us to advise you 
sharp gale
You would know in your heart
undone beacon
chop chop rat
white stag
I don’t have as much time investment due to my career so I usually stick to delves to not be a burden on others in case RL pulls me away from a mythic+. The big factor about blood for me is that I can use my weapon for both dps and tanking, while for warrior I need different weapons.
mighty valley
I just do all delves in prot regardless lol
ivory barn
i got my missions accomplished, 240 in prot and fury
undone beacon
Tank delves are bis, pull the whole thing and mow em down
Prot is def good at that
stray kernel
I don’t have as much time investment due to my career so I usually stick to delv...
Pala and pwarr are the only tank with that issue though, right?
undone beacon
If you gear as devourer DH you may not get glaives so its like kinda a thing
stray kernel
Yeah, fair
toxic pewter
ohh true forgot about devourer
white stag
Pala and pwarr are the only tank with that issue though, right?
Yea, I usually stick to the main armor class the same so all transmogs I collect can be passed on to my alt. It’s kind of an efficiency thing for me.
toxic pewter
dont they use int items or wat
winged oar
undone beacon
dont they use int items or wat
yeah dev is int
toxic pewter
interesting
sharp gale
Yes it was annoying on my dh
toxic pewter
yah damn lol
didnt even realize warglaives had int
was that added for devourer or was it always like that
stray kernel
Pretty sure it was
undone beacon
was that added for devourer or was it always like that
added for dev
toxic pewter
interesting
solid sun
Now that arms got giga buffed I can play that and be prot skyhold’s goofy hydra head when everyone tries to game together
stray kernel
Not much reason to have int beforehand
mighty valley
since when have any demon hunters had intelligence
undone beacon
badumtsss
toxic pewter
lofty warren
dont like how dorki put pwar in b tier
undone beacon
Beat up Dorki
toxic pewter
lol
ivory barn
shield ilvl is massive boost
toxic pewter
pepega u should start streamin i will watch u
lofty warren
like what is this gap nonsense
ivory barn
feel like im bulldozing now
mighty valley
dorki says that recess is S tier… but im in math class…
undone beacon
like what is this gap nonsense
lmao bear in d
solid sun
I’m being so for serious rn
toxic pewter
it is obvious blizz is propping up brew to be meta tho
they saw its been too long since it was meta
solid sun
Why is s red and d green? Green means go and red means stop. Shouldn’t the colors be reversed
spiral jetty
good point
mighty valley
I remember when apb said prot paladin would be meta FOR SURE
toxic pewter
Why is s red and d green? Green means go and red means stop. Shouldn’t the colo...
red more powerful color
mighty valley
I remember it all
toxic pewter
I remember when apb said prot paladin would be meta FOR SURE
still will be
toxic pewter
i met a streamer in slayers rise
chatted with him for a while
they need a world pvper streamer
solid sun
Yeah? Are you giving streamers content in slayers rise?
toxic pewter
Yeah? Are you giving streamers content in slayers rise?
lol
undone beacon
I remember when apb said prot paladin would be meta FOR SURE
he's our official feelycrafter i trust the vision
toxic pewter
like when you break it down
down to the most base level
why wouldnt prot pala be meta
think about it
solid sun
Tonight APB you should write up your feelycraft sim on how you see the tank meta now that we have tuning in
toxic pewter
unfortuantely i cant write well
solid sun
Well Harrow is a professional writer
Maybe Harrow can assist
For the good of Skyhold
toxic pewter
so youre saying I dictate
andd someone or somethin will put it to words on the screen
not bad idea..
mighty valley
why wouldnt prot pala be meta
the story of this expansion is about how ||the light kinda sucks actually||
so prot paladin can't be meta
it would be Off Theme
toxic pewter
BY THE LIGHT
toxic pewter
the story of this expansion is about how ||the light kinda sucks actually||
I am not sure I actually agree with this premise
undone beacon
Guys i just ran a sim look at that number
toxic pewter
lmao
undone beacon
prot pally wins
mighty valley
why are the streamers hiding this information...?
undone beacon
sandbagging obv
solid sun
Technically the light ||seems to be determined by whoever is wielding it|| so if APB is pure of mind, body, and soul (he’s saving himself for marriage by the laws of the goth chicks so this is real), he could still be thematically correct, Harrow
toxic pewter
could actually see vdh make resurgence though, boomkin just got the 20% buff brings motw giga caster comp incoming
that is my most up to date prediction
solid sun
Didn’t they get buffed??
toxic pewter
Technically the light ||seems to be determined by whoever is wielding it|| so if...
:nodders:
yeahh I saw when u typed that that is a wild nerf
undone beacon
So ST buff, massive AoE nerf
solid sun
They’ll fix it. Every patch notes includes psychic link changes
undone beacon
At this point just fucking remove psychic link man
the only time it's been lower than 20% was 10.1.7, but that was with a pretty different kit
toxic pewter
OK I have locked in my most up to date meta season 1 predicition below:
vdh
disc priest (just got 20% atonement buff)
boomkin
warlock
enh shaman
undone beacon
No devdh?
sharp gale
S1 being before .5 or whole tier ?
undone beacon
and then prot pally
toxic pewter
and then brew or prot pala
yea
i can see prot pala being meta tho I was not joking
undone beacon
S1 being before .5 or whole tier ?
?
mighty valley
do you predict brew getting some real nerfs or are you just uh. just taking a different stance
nocturne latch
OK I have locked in my most up to date meta season 1 predicition below:
vdh
dis...
But it isnt 20% atonement, its 20% penance heal/dmg
undone beacon
ohhhh
toxic pewter
But it isnt 20% atonement, its 20% penance heal/dmg
oh lmao misread
ok scrap it all il lbe back
undone beacon
back to the feelycraft den
nocturne latch
oh lmao misread
lol
toxic pewter
BREW/PROT PALA
HOLY PALA
BOOMKIN
enh/ele shaman
DEVOURER
that is it.
it is done.
fully locked in
im done, phew
mighty valley
two paladins, hell of a prediction
sharp gale
My prediction : brew rdruid udk mage warlock
mighty valley
LMAO
sharp gale
missing a lust im goin to bed
No lust
toxic pewter
its been known to happen
i think before
i swear i saw it
cant remember when tho
solid sun
You doofus it’s gonna be
sharp gale
its been known to happen
It was debated in beta, and SL S1 some ppl were just not playing with lusts
bitter sedge
we all know how that turned out
mighty valley
apb meta: 6 players no lust
bitter sedge
Motw not mandatory anymore hype
toxic pewter
still is prob
bitter sedge
solid sun
Pwar
MW
New DH spec
Ele Sham
Fire Mage
bitter sedge
no mtw, top key +12
undone beacon
I wanna do epic cooks in shadow disc but the atmosphere in there right now is violent
solid sun
You can practice them here
undone beacon
Instead of psychic link
Make mind flay flay all targets with vampiric touch 
solid sun
Hmmm
What if we get rid of psychic link and mind flay creates a tentacle for each mob with vampiric touch
And then we just fill the land with shadow tentacles like Zerg creep
undone beacon
uwu?
solid sun
Does shadow crash still exist
toxic pewter
nah it was basically replaced with tentacle slam
undone beacon
Yeah they swapped it for tendies
It would be cool if tentacles did damage but that’s okay
solid sun
How do you spread dots now
undone beacon
Tentacles
solid sun
Without crash
undone beacon
It’s functionally the same spell
It just doesn’t have a travel time
They turned crash into tentacles and devouring plague into shadow word madness
Basically the same shit
solid sun
Nice sounds great
undone beacon
Apparently there used to be a talent where sometimes your shadowy apparitions would explode and that’s cool I want that
toxic pewter
sounds fun
undone beacon
If they removed psychic link and went all in on ghosts being the main aoe again I wouldn’t mind
frozen cypress
How much rage do you think Bloodsurge could possibly generate?
Tossing up removing Bloodsurge to have these 6 active at once
lusty grotto
i personally dont play bloodsurge
but
indomitable is kinda meh
ok
so
it depends on the implementation but
and i could be doing something very very wrong
lusty grotto
but its looking like 10% buff
undone beacon
but its looking like 10% buff
lusty grotto
old and new (this is with current gear and my own character NOT a template, most docs are using full tier sets, do not take these numbers as what they will be)
frozen cypress
indomitable is kinda meh
This is from the other day, ran 4 M0 back to back, I'm not complaining for it being my third self healing
lusty grotto
This is from the other day, ran 4 M0 back to back, I'm not complaining for it be...
we dont really care about HPS
its not helping you in the way you think
you also chose to not include overhealing
there are better talents than indomitable
frozen cypress
you also chose to not include overhealing
That is without overhealing
lusty grotto
again
we're not a self sustain tank
what you want to look at is how you're mitigating
any HPS you gain is just a "nice to have"
its not nearly as impactful for us than other tanks
it will not save you otherwise
link the log
frozen cypress
lusty grotto
frozen cypress
Which number is that one?
frozen cypress
lusty grotto
feel free to grab it, but the recommendation is that its not that important
frozen cypress
You should care, any self healing will help the healer, and that helps the DPS, and when you are running that much self healing on a single passive, one that also boosts your health, it all helps
lusty grotto
you help your healer more by mitigating
solid sun
We don’t save ourselves with healing
raw parcel
This is from the other day, ran 4 M0 back to back, I'm not complaining for it be...
I also don't get why indom is so disliked. Given how sturdy our hp bar is, having a bit more HPS juice feels like it gives amplified returns rather than diminishing ones. Each point of healing seems like it has proportionally more value because we don't have much and we take comically little damage compared to most tanks.
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gm3xN2hwz8ZfYXgF?type=resources&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&modal=fight-selection&source=3&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24healing%240%240.0.0.Any%24203817932.0.0.Warrior%24true%24203817932.0.0.Warrior%24false%24316643&start=46425402&end=46472047 did this help your healer, in a m0
pallid quiver
I also don't get why indom is so disliked. Given how sturdy our hp bar is, havin...
we like the idea of indom
we don't like how much it's been hit over time
lusty grotto
your health barely dropped
lusty grotto
I also don't get why indom is so disliked. Given how sturdy our hp bar is, havin...
indom was dead locked in DF
pallid quiver
It takes a lot more resources to get the same relatively miniscule value out of it
lusty grotto
it was nerfed into the ground in TWW
and it was put just at the halfway mark now in midnight
raw parcel
I remember, then in TWW the day of sorrows came and turbo fucked every tank.
Didn't they recently re-buff it though?
lusty grotto
no
pallid quiver
the amount you gain from it can often fight with the healing you get from druid shrooms and shaman healing rains when it's allowed to exist
pallid quiver
I remember, then in TWW the day of sorrows came and turbo fucked every tank.
if you think tanks got turbo fucked in tww, SL S1 and hell, maybe even anything earlier must have been literally unplayable
lofty warren
old and new (this is with current gear and my own character NOT a template, most...
looks like approx a 10% buff to me
pallid quiver
At any rate, Indom is a fine talent to grab, but like
it's not doing much
lusty grotto
looks like approx a 10% buff to me <:okayge:917646812519739433>
yes probably
mwahi will know for sure
pallid quiver
It won't make you able to do things you're unable to do outside of very edge cases, but honestly, I'd say other points you could grab are in the same boat
raw parcel
if you think tanks got turbo fucked in tww, SL S1 and hell, maybe even anything ...
Well yeah, I do think SL season 1 was unplayable. I dropped WoW at that point and didn't come back until Dragonflight. 
mighty valley
indom isn't terrible, there are just a lot of good talents down there
lusty grotto
its not DF good
mighty valley
gotta give up something to get it and it's just rarely necessary to live
warm plinth
Didn't they recently re-buff it though?
Yeah but not to the level it was.
lusty grotto
we certainly didnt talent it in TWW
warm plinth
It was 10% hp and 10 rage per 1% then got nerfed to 6% and 20 per 1 iirc, and now it's 10% and 15 per 1
lusty grotto
it was absolutely not worth
now it could be
and again it was a very static talent, we never talented out in DF
mighty valley
i think you can definitely give up 2% haste to get it lol
but most prot warriors would rather die
raw parcel
Yeah, I dropped it in TWW as the guides suggested. I just... miss it, and if it's at least playable now I want my indom safety blanket back.
lusty grotto
why do you miss it
lusty grotto
what impact do you think its having?
raw parcel
I'm very confused by this clip.
lofty warren
what you gonna drop to get indom
lusty grotto
lmao
raw parcel
Having more self sustain feels nice, and 10% more hp gives dopamine, too. Some of my best memories as a warrior (or a tank more generally) are being able to take on the last boss of a key solo (after the rest of the group derps and dies when the boss is at 30%) because I'm an invincible big chungus.
As for what to drop? I dunno.
mighty valley
alright campaign finished
toxic pewter
bottom of our spec tree is just too damn tight
mighty valley
very glad to have javelineer and disrup shout in nexus point lol
sharp gale
Javelineer is S tier
lusty grotto
if you play correctly you barely take damage, what value does 1.8k HPS have when it has nothing to heal
furthermore
solid sun
Man harrow is absolutely demolishing me rn
lusty grotto
i just dont see the point in holding on to dear life to self sustain
when there's like 3 other talents that we absolutely have to pick that also provide a bit of it
leeching strikes, fueled, at the very least with an optional P&G
raw parcel
I do love that we get FBV and BRV both now. 
raw parcel
Speaking of apex... what we thinking of the change to our apex talents?
vivid orchid
its a buff
undone beacon
Speaking of apex... what we thinking of the change to our apex talents?
It’s good, just a buff really. We weren’t gonna do 3/4 on the apex anyways
lusty grotto
at least if we interpreted it correctly
vivid orchid
worst case scenario is its total dogshit and confusing but thats unlikely
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think i would bet on the worst case scenario at this point, the buff was needed there
and is needed on execute, but it kinda seems they dont wanna go that route
mighty valley
it was just weird that the last point was barely anything, rearranging makes sense
lofty warren
I wish they kept the dr on point 1 so then some smarty pants could optimize and not spend all 4 points on apex
mighty valley
"i wish our talents were bad so we could take other bad talents"
edgy patrol
what do we think of the changes? will it be noticeable or insignificant?
mighty valley
i feel around 10% better about them
edgy patrol
this guy..
lusty grotto
they are a good bump
if its straight up 10% to every damage dealing ability it is in fact a 10% increase
if its an aura buff, its less than
but still a buff
mighty valley
it's not gonna make us the consensus best tank but it closes the gap
we'll be aight
edgy patrol
They just rearranged phalanx? I just copy the builds online I dont read the talents..
lusty grotto
yes
mighty valley
yeah basically
vivid orchid
yeah seems just a rearrangement
lusty grotto
but it doesnt matter, you were going 4/4 anyway
solid sun
no we are actually the best tank
because everyone here plays pwar and we are the best players
edgy patrol
Ok so we don't need to change any talents then
solid sun
therefore best tank
edgy patrol
The pump continues then. Pwar feels good. It's mainly just the mob types that can shoot thru walls and can't be interrupted that are annoying for grouping
We can't all be wheelchair classes like DK/DH
lofty warren
Brew > pwar = bear > vdh > ppal > 💩 > bdk. Is thay right for m+?
solid sun
No