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solid sun
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CDM but we don’t actually track IP

undone beacon
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No

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Cooldown Manager but we dont reccomend tracking it

lofty warren
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They are releasing tuning that is going to happen in 2 months even though they know tuning going to happen in 5 days as well?

lean yoke
undone beacon
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Often people fixate on it and as a result play worse

lean yoke
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Okay, thanks!

toxic pewter
sharp gale
drowsy comet
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i knew these class changes wont gonna do much lmao

sharp gale
solid sun
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These aren’t the class changes

undone beacon
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This =/= the season tuning

sharp gale
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And yes it’s not the tuning

daring marlin
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They should buff dungeon mobs

lofty warren
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Ohh okay so we still waiting on March 17 stuff

daring marlin
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I felt like a brick wall when pulling wall to wall on my pally

tribal wharf
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TLDR, hit it when you have SB up, and your rage is high, and you have 0 or 1 stacks of IP.

daring marlin
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m0s too easy

toxic pewter
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i agree

undone beacon
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you're just too good guilford

sharp gale
toxic pewter
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but then again for normal people they prob struggle in m0

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like i was talking to a dh earlier who was scared to death to even try a mythic0

tribal wharf
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if you are at 2 stacks but sb up and full rage ip anyways

drowsy comet
toxic pewter
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lmao

tribal wharf
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thats easy

toxic pewter
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would be a blood bath

tribal wharf
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just invite alliance players

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then it feels like +20

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NA alliance i should state, i think EU alliances are good players

daring marlin
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This is rich coming from you

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full stop

lofty warren
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For the pwar apex talent, when you press ss and send the wave, is the wave target count uncapped?

If enemy got a wave from you and you send another wave to the enemy, what happened to the original 5% dr? Like does it stack or extend duration or delete/add new?

toxic pewter
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ngl I feel like alliance players prob better than average horde player

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then again its a roll of the dice

undone beacon
tribal wharf
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when i did world tour last week, i had NO idea u have to ||swap the job at the clock in bar event part way in||

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so, i was trying to shove ppl out entire time

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and we 1 star fail

toxic pewter
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lol

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ya the job changes

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at some point

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not even sure what triggers it

solid sun
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Thank you yogi

tribal wharf
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just timer

solid sun
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That was really kind of you

dusty orchid
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1rst time I tanked it i was sweeping the whole time - no change

solid sun
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And I want you to know I noticed it and appreciate it

lofty warren
undone beacon
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On mythic it swaps the jobs on occasion

lofty warren
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?

tribal wharf
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what i cant do in wow is the equivilant of the green light at the cross section in a cars traffic right

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and then you go to do your thing

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and you get tboned

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i cant do this shit where i future vision whats going to happen

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so i go to do boss whatever, and then i have to do this and that, throws me for loop

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dial up modem sfx of brain figuring out what i have to be doing

solid sun
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Den and Murder are next season right

tribal wharf
drowsy comet
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kinda funny how some random pug groups want to do a only leather or only plate M0 world tour, as if Veteran gear isnt gonna get swapped asap once M0 reward champion gear or +6s hero gear lol

sharp gale
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I do that so idk

drowsy comet
sharp gale
drowsy comet
undone beacon
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wow they nerfed the shit out of abundance

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feels like ass

tribal wharf
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gg, that cinderfury is easy

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just group em all up so they all get with in 1 aoe attack

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shoulders too, so soon epic midnight achievment

drowsy comet
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What in the dun dun is that

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wth

toxic pewter
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housing decor painting iirc

tribal wharf
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only need weapon and beltfor midnight epic achievment

drowsy comet
toxic pewter
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lol

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my house is a pos

drowsy comet
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a what

toxic pewter
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then again maybe the painting can make my house better

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pos piece of shit

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lmao

drowsy comet
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smh since when is this a short slang lmao

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boomer language smh

toxic pewter
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lol

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yeahh been saying that before u even born

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it goes way back

drowsy comet
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exactly, boomer language

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😄

dusky canopy
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Buffalo mentioned

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Time to go eat wings

craggy harness
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or watch hockey

toxic pewter
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damn

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so hungry

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so delicous..

lean aurora
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What flavor wings tho

toxic pewter
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buffalo, garlic parm, lemon pepper, mango habanero

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love it all

undone beacon
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This may be a controversial opinion but

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I refuse to eat bone-in chicken

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I just cant do it

tribal wharf
solid sun
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Any bone-in chicken?

tribal wharf
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i got one of these from the murder run

toxic pewter
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I prefer white meat chicken if i do bone in

undone beacon
solid sun
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That’s probably a bit controversial

tribal wharf
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way that trinket is worded sounds solid

solid sun
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I could see preferring buffalo nuggets over buffalo wings

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More convenient and more meat

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But rotisserie chicken is awesome

toxic pewter
tribal wharf
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they made them at walmart today but didnt want to hang out long enough to get one

sand condor
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well gang

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another day another abysmal loot table

sand condor
daring marlin
daring marlin
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I just pick the meat off the bird.

coarse bay
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I dont get loot

daring marlin
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I have decided this is fact

coarse bay
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It was useful this week since people are now able to trade pieces

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I saw it be beneficial in other armor stacks that i tanked for

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But not mine

mystic cave
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I am a little confused about this opener for MT, unless im wrong there isnt enough rage from 0 to shield block

lusty grotto
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medge @undone beacon

mighty valley
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it's outdated, avatar used to give rage

lusty grotto
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stupid weather

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i had to go to the office but bailed early

tribal wharf
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i tend to do taunt > charge+avatar>sb > pepega ss/clap demo>sc

lusty grotto
mystic cave
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Got it, thats waht I have been doing but thought i was missing an interaction or something

lusty grotto
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thats also wowhead so its outdated and we dont have people here writing it

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icy veins is the go to here

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as of right now

mystic cave
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Good shout, thanks!

coarse bay
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Ya so far i havent been a fan of the guides the current wowhead writer handles, but maybe itll change once there’s relevant content and tuning passes have come

remote ocean
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how much dps are you all doing single target on a target dummy atm?

lusty grotto
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does it matter? just sim

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and see for yourself

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you wont ever get to the simmed results but it should give you a better idea than asking us to smack a dummy

neon verge
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ARE WE BACK BOIS?

daring marlin
remote ocean
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i meant more like, whacking at a target dummy somewhere

coarse bay
remote ocean
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ah i see.

lusty grotto
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you know youre gonna get very variable results from dummies right?

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depending on dummy level etc

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sims are more accurate

lusty grotto
remote ocean
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oh. does the raider dummy not work properly?

lusty grotto
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if youre gonna measure yourself, measure yourself agains ta sim

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im not sure why you're avoiding it altogether

remote ocean
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im not. just thought in game results were more trustworthy.

lusty grotto
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opposite of that

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player skill, level of dummy, area the dummy is in, what dummy is involved

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way too many variables, why would in-game results be more trust worthy

remote ocean
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because it's.. what's actually happening?

lusty grotto
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we recommend stuff here based on the sims

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are you saying those arent trust worthy?

remote ocean
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Hm?

lofty warren
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Sims are best for dps not necessarily what is always best (like defensive considerations).. ie you can go and maximize your dps based on sim but you'll also fall over bc ur skipping key defensive talents. More a tank specific quirk

lusty grotto
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???

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what

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what does that have to do with anything

coarse bay
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Dont forget that youre comparing a couple of dummy sessions vs thousands of iterations in a sim

lusty grotto
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if you sim your character to see optimal dps/priority/actions how are you "skipping key defensive talents" ?

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your OWN character

daring marlin
# remote ocean Hm?

Sims are your best bet to see what's a good upgrade snd whatnot. Saves a lot of time, too.

coarse bay
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To have results with any comparable reliability, youd spend an entire season doing the same thing in the same spot for a single sim

lofty warren
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Im trying to say sim is better than "in game details" but you cant blindly do sim for max dps bc tanks also need to consider being defensive and not dying

lusty grotto
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we're not talking about max dps

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shapis is asking for comparison reasons

remote ocean
lofty warren
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Ohh with the same talents then yes 100% sim better than dummy

lofty warren
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In game you suffer from Brian lag and rng but sim will do perfect rotation thousands of times so rng is normalized

lusty grotto
daring marlin
lusty grotto
remote ocean
lusty grotto
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im not gonna tell you

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you run your own

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these are my character's numbers

remote ocean
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I did. It's a secret though || its 20.900 ||

lusty grotto
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they do not matter for your own character

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we dont have the same gear

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and its probable that we also dont have the same talents

remote ocean
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That's kinda the point I'm trying to check nim. If i'm missing something obvious.

lofty warren
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Pretty sure rhere is a better option than quick sim (like it increases n)

lusty grotto
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so you check on that last picture's log

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on your own sim

daring marlin
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Give you an idea of what you need to do.

coarse bay
lofty warren
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Does 5 man dungeon slice work for pwar?

daring marlin
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I smack dummies sometimes to see if I can match my sim DPS to get the muscle memory.

lusty grotto
lofty warren
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🙁

lusty grotto
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that is very likely to never change

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we do the same sims we did last exp, in DF, in SL, in BFA

dusky canopy
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Idk what he’s talking about you can select it in the drop down box

lusty grotto
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1 patchwerk (ST) or 5 patchwerks (AOE)

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3/5 mins (ST) or 1.5 mins (AOE)

daring marlin
lusty grotto
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🤷‍♂️

daring marlin
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Be reasonable, Nimchip!!

lusty grotto
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hes not new

lofty warren
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5 patchwork works? Thats probably best sim analygus to m+?

daring marlin
lusty grotto
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its like he completely forgot about this

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hes been around every. single. season. in. here.

onyx hearth
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If I have full rage, should I still use shield slam/thunder blast if its off cd or spend the rage in revenge?

lusty grotto
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if you have full rage you send IP

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inside the gcd, before you generate again

onyx hearth
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If I already have IP full

daring marlin
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how should I track IP now?

lofty warren
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I didnt know you can overcap on ip

daring marlin
lofty warren
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Thought it was like 100 stacks

daring marlin
tribal wharf
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nim mad we re-rolling away from pwar lol

dusky canopy
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Gottem Hollyy

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😂

daring marlin
lusty grotto
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im not mad about rerolling

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but this aint the place to talk about those classes

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thats it

daring marlin
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nimchip doesn't like the banter right now

onyx hearth
daring marlin
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I get it

tribal wharf
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if i REALLY want help on another class i'll find it in another discord or something

lofty warren
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What did he mean by saying he is full of ip?

lusty grotto
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what do you think he means

lofty warren
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Thought ip could go up to 100 stacks? How is he getting so many? Its not like we in tww s3

lusty grotto
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but anyway that's irrelevant

daring marlin
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I think he may have an IP icon in the middle of his screen that takes up half of it if he knows he has full ip

lusty grotto
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IP being full does not matter to us

onyx hearth
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If I understand it correctly, you should use Ignore Pain even if you are full stacks to dump rage

dusky canopy
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If you know your ip is full and you’re wondering what to do about it, I’d recommend hiding the tracker you have for it and playing more betterer

dusky canopy
tribal wharf
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do i have to track the number of stacks as well as the amount ip absorbs for guys?

onyx hearth
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You guys are very toxic to new players, but at least you show the way

sharp gale
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yeah it's just a very reccurent question

lusty grotto
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you also didnt say you were a new player

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but also i wasnt really toxic

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at all, in fact

coarse bay
sharp gale
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it seems like it nim usually

lofty warren
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Didnt even know you could hit 100 stacks with 240 ilvl gear. Must never be pressing revenge

lusty grotto
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..........

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also pepega is not a new player

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he just apparently forgets everything every season

tribal wharf
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i am not a new player but i am also mostly ass at the game

lusty grotto
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complete mind wipe

tribal wharf
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most games

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just turn your brain off and pull, if you win, keep playing, if you lose, take a break or stop

lusty grotto
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no idea where he got the idea that gear has anything to do with filling an IP

lofty warren
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I never track how many stacks of ip I have. I just press it to not overcap on rage

tribal wharf
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IP is scaled based on some stat (idk which)

lusty grotto
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then youre doing it correctly

tribal wharf
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biger ilvl = bigger ip

lusty grotto
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its based on AP

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and versa

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and caps scaled with HP

tribal wharf
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versa is versa, which is boring lol

lusty grotto
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right, im just mentioning which stats

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but you can cap IPs in any gear

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🤷‍♂️

tribal wharf
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if they want it to be ignored, make it some effect that can or has to be ignored

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since we can track it

lofty warren
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Being capped at ip means you are capped by number of stacks or something else?

tribal wharf
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long as i have it right, its you can cast it 2 times

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but you take a melee or fire or whatever

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then it can be re-casted while at "2" stacks

lusty grotto
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which is dictated by your total health

warm plinth
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Hi you're all cute

dusky canopy
lofty warren
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Found on ivy veins it says 30%

lusty grotto
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sigh, yes

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you dont need to post that here, we know

dusky canopy
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I have no idea what ignore pain does except that it prevents my rage from being wasted when I use it properly

coarse bay
warm plinth
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Reading tooltips is for dumdum

daring marlin
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me no read

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me bonk

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unga bunga

warm plinth
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Zug zug

tribal wharf
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in theory las stand shenanigans?

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meme world

sharp gale
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yes it was, when last stand was a thing

lusty grotto
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yes last stand affects the max value

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does it matter? no

warm plinth
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You matter

tribal wharf
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i stiill using LS cuz what the hell else am i going spend it on? tan?

lusty grotto
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yes

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precisely on TaN

tribal wharf
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...... put bolster back

warm plinth
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You spend that talent point wherever you want yogi. Live your dream.

tribal wharf
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only other major contention i have about talents is OR. (+30 rage cap)

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WHY

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wtf

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i dont understand it

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it seems really dumbe to me, just use ragge

sharp gale
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dps things leaking into prot

lusty grotto
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because its a dps increase

lofty warren
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If I have 100 hp and I cast ip and an enemy hits me for 2 damage, then ip eats up 1 damage and now im at 99 hp. Based on the single cast of ip, it will absorb 30 hp for me. Is that right

tribal wharf
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sure, but like how, you just dump your rage when 90

warm plinth
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A single cast is not 30% of your health. The CAP is 30% of your health.

lusty grotto
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right

warm plinth
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Just realized who asked that smfh. I'm going now.

lusty grotto
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yeah idk

lofty warren
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In my example, how much will the single cast of ip absorb?

sharp gale
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bc reducing the 70 (whatever number it actually is), you go too close to the IP cast = you can't cast revenge

lusty grotto
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a single cast of IP is the result of the above math

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have fun

shut folio
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so with arms being in the shitter, hows prot rn in midnight?

mighty valley
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sturdy, low dps but tuning hasn't happened

dusky canopy
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I ain’t reading althat

lusty grotto
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certainly one of the top 6 tanks

lofty warren
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Cant calculate with unknown weapon calculation

lusty grotto
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🤷‍♂️

mighty valley
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just look at your tooltip if you want to know your current IP absorb value

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it'll change constantly with buffs etc though

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also won't remotely change how you play

tribal wharf
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i mean, if i go dk or paladin i will be able to craft gear for them, eh, see what happens

lofty warren
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Right now with youe current gear can you can 1x ignore pain and then put your hp and then the ip absorb amount? Just want to see the % and I get that it varies with gear so its just an approximation

mighty valley
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that's a very confusing sentence

tribal wharf
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don't over think it

lusty grotto
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i swear i lose brain cells every time i read something from pepega

sharp gale
tribal wharf
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if you have shield block active and need to spend tons of rage, hit IP

undone beacon
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i gain brauin cells from the pure cognitive power it takes to decipher

tribal wharf
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if you just need to spend a bit hit not free revenge

undone beacon
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okay clearly not

lofty warren
coarse bay
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i gain brauin cells from the pure cognitive power it takes to decipher

undone beacon
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im just stupid

lusty grotto
undone beacon
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mods, remove his femur as punishment

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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bear give power

pastel summit
lusty grotto
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i needs it

lofty warren
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With self buffs only can you press ip one time. Then put into the chat your current hp number and then the absorb amount that the ip will do.

sharp gale
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But pepega you are allowed to do 30/100

lusty grotto
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i wonder if pepega is secretly the AMR dev

pastel summit
lofty warren
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Not in computer atm

sharp gale
mighty valley
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i imagine most of us are yapping from work

undone beacon
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real and true

coarse bay
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True and real

lofty warren
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A single ip only absorbs for 0.3% of your hp thats so trash. So if you have 100 hp and you press it then it will absorb 0.3 damage (not even 1 hp)

mighty valley
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there is zero chance that is correct

sharp gale
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Now you press IP and count the number of stacks pepega

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0.3% is hp per stacks

solid sun
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How much IP do you gain when you’re in guardian spec and avoid raze

lusty grotto
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good lord my IQ just went negative

solid sun
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Nice

cerulean tusk
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Hi, I will just drop my complaint here:

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They killed the only fun thing BDK had

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aight - hf lads

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I am off to sulk

lusty grotto
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i was wondering where my D&Ds were going last night

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until i read it

cerulean tusk
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Giga burst was fun, eh Rat?

coarse bay
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Good thing im not playing bdk

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Although currently anyone raid tanking is probably told to prep one

lusty grotto
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it was fun i guess yea

cerulean tusk
lofty warren
sharp gale
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Press IP on your lvl 80 warrior, you will see how many stacks 1 IP gives you

coarse bay
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For gorefiend

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#raidbuff

lofty warren
coarse bay
lofty warren
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How many stacks per cast?

coarse bay
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I have no hecking clue

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Ive never looked

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I press buttons

sharp gale
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Log your warrior and press ip pepega

coarse bay
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You can test it

lofty warren
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Not in computer atm

coarse bay
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Why does this matter

sharp gale
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He wanted to know % hp gives ip

lofty warren
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Yes. So far we got 0.3% = 1 stack but need to know how many stacks are given by 1 cast

lusty grotto
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pepega

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all that youre saying

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is incorrect

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in its entirety

sharp gale
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100 stacks is not 30% of your hp ?

lusty grotto
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theres not a single correct thing in that statement

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IP does NOT have stacks

sharp gale
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Im confused now

lusty grotto
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the number you see are the percent its filled

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100 means its 100% filled

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5 means its 5% filled

sharp gale
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Yes so you can do the same calcul basically

cerulean tusk
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What is an IP stack, Nim, help - I am confused

solid sun
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Is Pepega getting all of you rn

lusty grotto
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i dont even know why were discussing this

lofty warren
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No its a real question wtf

lusty grotto
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i would with a different person

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im about to just ALT F4 out of disc for like 7 hours ngl

neat dune
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so... when are we deleting discord?

solid sun
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Wait no talk to me

coarse bay
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Arms warrior is the red headed step child

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You guys did something to jon blizzard

solid sun
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Arms about to get buffed

lofty warren
neat dune
solid sun
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If you ferment grapes to become wine, do they become raisins first

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Those aren’t for season 1

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Those are for the .5 patch

cerulean tusk
undone beacon
neat dune
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at least prot warr has a guarantee spot in raid kek. AGAIN

undone beacon
cerulean tusk
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There are limits, currently we got our shield shattered, arms broken and our fury is... well, spent.

solid sun
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Why does pwar have a guaranteed spot

undone beacon
neat dune
undone beacon
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But again, everything is up to tuning on the 17th

solid sun
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Nah we got tuning to come

undone beacon
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Theres literally nothing tangible to doom over

jagged pier
jagged pier
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now you bug is fixed u gained even more dps

outer willow
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Alright I’m done pretending I’m smart.

WHY do we go HR instead of ITF at low haste? Is it because when we have low haste, we have low APM and can’t defend ourselves adequately?

Why wouldn’t we just take ITF and get that extra haste?

Also, why am I an idiot for crafting my weapon in preseason?

undone beacon
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Right now you might as well take 15 guardian druids bearbear

neat dune
sharp gale
lofty warren
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Bear got a buff with the bug fixes

undone beacon
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We're getting four tuning passes at least

dusky canopy
solid sun
outer willow
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Ahhhh effective uptime

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I seeee

undone beacon
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No reason to assume arms wouldnt be tuned alongside everything else

solid sun
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I also remember seeing here that the devs specifically acknowledged arms

outer willow
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Thanks guys

undone beacon
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Take your arms dooming back to #arms its annoying

outer willow
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Also, am I an idiot for crafting weapon pre season? I didn’t think it was that bad of an idea

lusty grotto
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youre not an idiot, just buy more gold

undone beacon
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If you got the cash you're fine

outer willow
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Got it. I have gold, but didn’t think it was a waste. Ty ty

neat dune
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Why would they release .5 ptr patch notes before the tuning on 17th. My guess is we dont get squat next week

lofty warren
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Alright I’m done pretending I’m smart.

WHAT % of your hp does a single cast of IP absorb as a self buffed 240 ilvl (no last stand or rallying shout)?

lusty grotto
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this

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topic over

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figure it out

lofty warren
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I cant do anything with unknown weapon calculation

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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topic is over

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move on

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log on the game and cast IP

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thats it

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we're not gonna give you the answer

undone beacon
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We'll probably get the tuning notes tomorrow or over the weekend, stay posted

lofty warren
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Fine I'll try to (if I even remember thats something I want to get by the time I log in)

solid sun
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And if we don’t get them tomorrow

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It’s Friday

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Plenty of reason to be happy on a Friday

undone beacon
#

Its going to be two lines:
"Guardian Druid and Arms Warrior throughput values have been swapped"
"Shadow priest damage increased by 1000%"

neat dune
lofty warren
#

Pwar damage needs a buff too

sharp gale
undone beacon
#

arms tank spec lets gooooo

outer willow
undone beacon
#

Technically Bear is 2h tanking cuz you use an agi polearm bearbear

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teehee

sharp gale
#

Bdk and brew can 2h tank too

undone beacon
#

exactly

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2h tank dream lives on

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something something....... glad stance...?

cerulean tusk
sharp gale
#

Will it be this season where I do stupid keys like no shield block or 2h tanking mmmmh

undone beacon
#

Give us Gladiator Stance, Necrolord Banners, Triple Leap, and uhhhhh

#

idk all the shockwave dmg talents

#

banger

pastel summit
#

Also prot is good and fun in blitz for anybody wanting that insta catalyst charge.

tribal wharf
#

no to all of them and add condemn instead

#

give col condemn

cerulean tusk
#

... but, execute is bad, it does no dam... why increase the amount of time we wont press it?

ionic fern
#

Condemn was Shadow damage.

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Ignoring armor.

tribal wharf
#

im pretty sure condemn is more than "execute at 100% hp"

cerulean tusk
#

Surely they wont tune the condemn dam lower than exe baseline, making it barely an increase per cast in reality

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If you wanted hard hitting executes, you played necrolord

lusty grotto
lofty warren
#

They should merge execute into revenge like they did for paladin (throw hammer into judgement)

cerulean tusk
#

💪

undone beacon
pallid quiver
lusty grotto
#

oh true

undone beacon
#

sucks we're 100% dead without spell block

lusty grotto
#

true on both

cerulean tusk
#

I miss spellblock, it was giga value

pallid quiver
#

give me skull banner but exclude specifically mages from benefiting from it

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because fuck my one friend who plays mage

lofty warren
#

Add to pwar mastery "your shield block % applies to physical and spell and all types of damage"

tribal wharf
#

sometimes i have the shield icon over my head for spell reflect right

sharp gale
#

they were too powerful for us sadge

tribal wharf
#

and then one time i saw an image that it cracked in half and fell left to right

#

WTF is that

undone beacon
tribal wharf
#

is that i succesfully spell reflect

undone beacon
sharp gale
#

1/2 chance of dying

tribal wharf
#

i wish they would have an icon that shows it rebounding instead of that

#

broken shiled could mean many things , lots of bad things

cerulean tusk
#

Spell Reflect got a high dopamine trained SFX on reflect tho

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

i know about the SFX but its like, well, it happens and then its over

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and then you have to remember it again

undone beacon
#

Guys whats the best path for me to spend AP?

lusty grotto
#

reflective plating

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my beloved

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its right there

#

sniffles

pastel summit
undone beacon
#

damn wtf cooler tough as nails

lofty warren
#

Give me the shadowlands green faction thing that had me wear a flag during burst whatever that was

tribal wharf
#

i dont like the banner

undone beacon
#

damn im havin crazy nostalgia rn lookin at this artifact calc

daring marlin
#

S1 DC was the juice

tribal wharf
#

ya

#

give us that shit again

daring marlin
#

why yes I would like to have demo last 45 seconds thank you very much

tribal wharf
#

yah yah, very good idea

cerulean tusk
# undone beacon Guys whats the best path for me to spend AP?

NELTHARIONS FURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SWOOOOOOOOOOOOSHSSSSSHHHHHHHH-YAAAAAAAARGH!

sharp gale
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
#

Early SL wasnt that bad, tho that might just be CN carrying good vibes, that and PvP actually was useful for gearing

lofty warren
#

What time will tuning be posted tomorrow?

sharp gale
cerulean tusk
#

Thorgast was fun enough, even after it was nerfed to shit

daring marlin
#

BFA was fine

cerulean tusk
#

I wanted unlimted push runs of thorgast

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game denied me

#

I am still mad about that

sharp gale
#

tww when wow was actually good

#

The circle repeats itself

cerulean tusk
undone beacon
#

there are two times wow has been actually good

#

Legion and SL

cerulean tusk
#

TWW-beta was the goat

undone beacon
#

Because thats when warr had triple leap

cerulean tusk
#

TWW BETA HYPE, TWW BETA HYPE

sharp gale
#

I don’t think we ever used triple leap - PvP

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In sl

undone beacon
#

maybe the filthy casuals didnt

#

but real men were hoppin and skippin and jumpin

#

goin "wheeeee"

sharp gale
#

It was the time I started to play more prot (it always was my alt), so I only remember reprisal

cerulean tusk
#

3 leaps, casual! Said the legion 6 jumper

solid sun
#

Three leaps

#

That’s so many taunts

tribal wharf
#

what is the point of maxxing out prey

lusty grotto
#

cosmetics

tribal wharf
#

i only have normal ones unlocked i think

#

no veteran?

lusty grotto
#

shrug

#

hard is easy anyway

#

but the cosmetics are good looking so its worth

tribal wharf
#

auction sell for 67 lol

daring marlin
#

cosmetics own

solid sun
#

Love cosmetics

#

The true endgame

lusty grotto
#

oh boy bonus rolls again

ivory barn
tribal wharf
#

it does give appearances

lusty grotto
#

its locked until next week

mild river
#

Hello, guys! We expecting anything from the tuning? Nerf? Buff? Or just nothing?

lusty grotto
#

damage buff if anything

#

but it also depends what they do to the other outliers

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i.e. bear and monk

mild river
#

Monk is OP as well?

#

Because bear is pumping. I just leveled up one bc I was bored and i was like: why am I killing everything so fast? Haha.

#

But monk i just can't. No class fantasy for me

lusty grotto
#

monk is at a good place, i would argue, i would say most tanks should match them

#

if i was John Blizzard

#

so, this is my personal opinion again, i would hope tuning just moves everyone up to monk level and brings dotc bear down

#

as far as defensiveness goes we're probably one of the strongest defensively

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when played correctly

paper coral
#

Yeah, bear is fun but they're kinda squish once stuff gets harder.

#

I think i'm gonna be settled on warrior. I like brew but i cant get into the class fantasy. Blood is fun too but they need some more defensive strength.

tribal wharf
#

there are things you will miss having on monk that you have on warrior and other way around

#

but its prety much the same shit

#

group em up, hit the blender button

paper coral
lusty grotto
#

avatar, demo shout

#

if by blender you mean offensive cds

#

those are the big two

tribal wharf
#

aoe, big chunky ST dmg

#

just, nukes them what i mean

lusty grotto
#

its not any different from BFA, and i recall you being active back then Kreiger

tribal wharf
#

ring of peace is simply time and place matters

neat dune
paper coral
paper stone
#

I love how guides put talent in to Wrecking Throw but then not mention it at all anywhere

#

easy to learn 😄

mighty valley
#

it's mostly for the silence

#

if there's no shields to break or casters to silence, you can press it on CD for the world's tiniest dps increase

paper stone
#

it does not silence ?

paper coral
mighty valley
paper stone
#

it does not say anything about silence in tooltip

#

aha lol

frank bobcat
#

Opinions of trinkets to chase in preseason dungeons? Got completely zero luck running 16/16 myth dungeons these past weeks, resorting to heroic farming

#

Still got that juicy 201 trinket from questing

paper coral
#

alternate question, how is warrior at handling nightmare mode prey and delves?

paper stone
#

What guide is better ? Wowhead or Icy veins ?

frank bobcat
steel mauve
languid zodiac
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
#

if you absolutely must have an answer, sim

frank bobcat
#

I was initially a bit sad I didn't get all 240 but when I saw the difference between 237 to 240 is literally one single point of strength & 20 stamina i was like "ok this is perfectly fine" lmfao

paper stone
mighty valley
#

varies from class to class

paper stone
lusty grotto
#

and it depends on the writer

#

right now wowhead has a person filling in since our guide writer quit

#

icyveins has mwahi at least so we're good on that front

half tinsel
#

Hi guys, wondering what people are thinking of crafting for prot as a priority craft? Or crafting is not as much priority as TWW ? Wowhead last time i looked, none of the crafted items are BiS ? SO it would just be to fill gaps in gear ? Also I guess consider Shield and Sword first? Or I am massively overlooking something ?

lusty grotto
#

check the pins

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we also dont support wowhead right now, only icy veins

half tinsel
mighty valley
#

bis lists are kinda pointless in retail btw, you just make decisions based on the gear you have and the gear available to you

lusty grotto
#

thats also true

half tinsel
#

Fair point, but knowing what is BiS can determine what I farm and therefore dictates what is available to me? But I take your point onboard.

sharp gale
#

It can be helpful for an idea for trinkets, but the rest not really

mighty valley
#

gear just isn't that crazy different in retail, trinkets aside

#

for the most part you'll just grab tier/ilvl upgrades

#

and then craft the slots that just refuse to drop for you later in the season

half tinsel
#

Fair enough, this is my second season of WoW - I will concede to superior knowledge. Thanks for the advice 🙂

sharp gale
#

they do bis list bc they are asked to do them, for clicks

undone beacon
# half tinsel Fair enough, this is my second season of WoW - I will concede to superior knowle...

In case you are unfamiliar with the concept, we always recommend simming your gear. Simulations provide an idealized "perfectly played" dps number based on the gear options you give it. Helps a lot with figuring out what pieces are better. While sims do not account for defensiveness, the general rule of thumb is that if it increases your damage, it increases your survivability (with exceptions for shield/defensive trinkets/defensive talents). Raidbots.com is free to use, and has a companion addon called Simulationcraft to pull a profile of your character to use

#

Like Happy said, BIS lists are only truly BIS if you have every other piece of gear on that list, as that list is essentially the gear that gives the highest reasonable simulation number when worn in tandem

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On an unrelated note, warrior is the only one of these sets that looks good fight me

smoky plinth
#

Those shoulder blades cannot be aerodynamic

undone beacon
#

Since when did warriors want to be aerodynamic

smoky plinth
undone beacon
#

I want the wind to break upon my body

#

I charge through it, the blades slice any resistance

#

Its quite practical

smoky plinth
#

Only if youre running sideways. Gotta have the blades rotated 90° like a shark fin for maximum stability and less drag so we keep an even keel during leap

torn gulch
#

FEEL THE STRENGHT OF THE EARTH!

coarse bay
wet ingot
#

Hey guys quick question, how are you guys tracking party cooldowns now? OmniCD stopped working for me, and the other addons that used to track party interrupts and CDs don’t seem to work anymore either.

Is there a new addon people are using, or do I actually have to start using my brain now? lol

lusty grotto
#

you dont

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omnicd is gone

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most people knew it was gonna be gone while the beta was running

wet ingot
#

I see

lusty grotto
#

you know by asking in voice, otherwise its not your problem

coarse bay
#

Man, im already being told in m0’s that they have cds up

#

Tryhards

half tinsel
#

It seems thumbs up or reaction are disabled this chat (Or i am even worse with discord than I am WoW). Just wanted to say thanks again to Pash and Cam 🙂

lusty grotto
#

if youre want it specifically for kicks, the amount of casters are not as many as TWW, so its not really that needed

wet ingot
#

Got it, that just means pugging will be harder now xD

lusty grotto
#

it will be around the same

coarse bay
#

I feel like in a full pug situation, omnicd didnt help much

#

It just told me who messed up

lusty grotto
#

omnicd only helped yourself in that scenario

#

if anything

lusty grotto
#

a cd being available does not mean people will use it, even tracking stuff means absolutely jack shit if the people use them at random times

#

it will be no different now

#

you just dont have visibility

#

out of sight, out of mind

coarse bay
#

Ya if anything it was most useful when i was with the people im already in vc with anyways. Was 1 less thing to have to comm

wet ingot
#

Yeah, I guess in pugs you're right it only tells me who messed up...

coarse bay
#

You know what i miss more than omnicd

#

Deaths in details

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Seeing why or how they died

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Now i need to check logs, and i dont even have my logger doing m0

solid sun
coarse bay
#

You dont need to

#

I have a mental clock keeping track of you

#

I know every time you popped cds leveling

solid sun
#

I’m so loved

coarse bay
tribal wharf
#

so i cant see why not in detial

coarse bay
#

Unless they added it, it just tells me when people died

#

Not the damage/healing up to the death

#

I like to know why/how someone died

tribal wharf
#

blizzard logs

#

now that is the true vaporware

frank bobcat
#

Does anyone know if the abundance quest for the champion gear is retroactively completed? Just realized I did the event before hitting renown 9

lusty grotto
#

nah it doesnt

#

just do one, it does not need to be active

#

nor you have to spend the gathering rock currency whatever its called

frank bobcat
#

Ooooo nice!

#

Side note, did the voidstorm defense event alone last night (dead in the middle of 4 in the morning) finished the event, got quest completion progress, but did not recieve the weekly cache 😭

#

Good news is, it scales down the mobs to just a handful of nonelites, but was surprised to not find it reported anywhere

lusty grotto
#

if you mean the world quest completion, its been reported

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not sure where youre looking, but it has

frank bobcat
lusty grotto
#

its a garbage reward anyway so i wouldnt consider it a priority

#

but being reported does not automatically mean they are aware of it

smoky solar
#

im sorry if this has been asked but is it worth crafting blues with vet crests for raid next week?

keen plank
#

Of you use vet crests they are purples. It's 80 crests to craft an item that's a couple iLvl below Vet max, IIRC.

#

So, maybe? Depends on if you get drops in all slots from M0 this week.

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It's fewer crests to upgrade a M0 item than it is to craft.

smoky solar
#

maxxed all my loot this week and still have a 224 chest and 230 shoulders so assume crafting would be good to replace those

lusty grotto
#

vet crests will drop from anything when the season starts

#

so dont feel bad about spending them on whatever

azure valley
#

is it a good buf for prot war Midnight Patch 12.0.5?

lusty grotto
#

it depends on how the tuning will go on the 17th

#

12.0.5 is further out anyway

#

no reason to think about it right now

smoky solar
#

tyvm for the help both of you

azure valley
#

You guys think they will buf prot dmg 17th

lusty grotto
#

we're hoping for them, but we're not mind readers

lofty warren
#

21500 damage absorbed out of total of 329,000 hp with 1 IP press. so 1 press ~~ 6.5% of hp. jesus was that so hard??

lusty grotto
#

are you asking yourself?

#

kinda weird

lofty warren
#

the wars that spent more time typing in here their thoughts instead of just doing it

lusty grotto
#

do i work for you?

#

i gave you the tools to get it

#

thats more than enough

lofty warren
#

i didn't use that formula I just pressed it and checked my total hp but ur better than the others

lusty grotto
#

you mean this?

#

even if i wanted to i cant resolve the formula without having your very charcacter specific AP or total HP

#

much less while im actually working

urban bane
#

Why is this still a thing 😭

lofty warren
#

with this level of peak bis gear I wasn't really looking for an exact number just a rough baseline. like "its about 5-7% with this early gear give or take" something like that

lofty warren
#

but anyway ty for giving me steps on how I can check

dusky canopy
#

@lusty grotto want to do any m0s?

lusty grotto
#

i cant rn

dusky canopy
#

no worries just checking in

lusty grotto
#

holding lockouts for my brother and doing other stuff

#

ty though

drowsy comet
#

2am critcake

lusty grotto
#

old af

drowsy comet
lusty grotto
#

indeed

drowsy comet
lusty grotto
#

🤝

mighty valley
solid sun
#

I still haven’t done it

#

I’m washed

toxic pewter
tepid sparrow
#

just did a 5 tank mythic 0 den and it went so smoothly. druid ended up doing as much dps as some dps i've seen

#

pure joy

toxic pewter
#

I do more dam than any Druid

tepid sparrow
#

person with threat on the kill wins

#

just a fun game

lusty grotto
#

is fury or arms bleeding in again?

#

why should we give a shit about your druid

errant wagon
#

hey y'all. how are you handling your spark usage going forward?
Planning to be in mythic week 2 with my guild. Seems like a lot of differing opinions on to hold or not

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
errant wagon
#

and mine included, but it's a little ambiguous

#

it's kinda like if you feel like it go for it, haha

kind talon
#

I’m truly perplexed why content creators are universally low on prot warr. I don’t take their opinions seriously, but it is interesting to see that not a one believes warr to be anything more than mid at best

lusty grotto
#

does it matter?

kind talon
#

It doesn’t

#

But it’s fascinating

lusty grotto
#

content creators arent there to validate differing opinions, they do it as a job

toxic pewter
#

Who here ready for the giga notes tomorrow.

kind talon
#

I assume it’s like fantasy football pre draft rankings

#

Where the “experts” all essentially copy each other to limit risk

#

And then nothing works out that way at all anyway

lusty grotto
#

all content creators are the same

toxic pewter
#

Gonna be a ton of seething specs can’t wait for the tears

lusty grotto
#

anywhere, inside or outside of videogames

#

they farm any type of content, be it negative or positive

#

its their job

#

so whatever pulls the most hits, pays

#

and thats what they do

kind talon
#

“Engagement,” I guess, as they say

lusty grotto
#

right

kind talon
lusty grotto
#

if engagement pays, then thats what they do

#

fridays are typically when they post tuning for next week

toxic pewter
#

Maybe later actually

#

Prob like 5 pm pacific

kind talon
#

Awesome

#

All weekend to enjoy the show

toxic pewter
#

At first I thought would see major buffs but now I’m expecting to see minor, small buff

#

Gonna see a lot of conservative tuning tomorrow

#

Won’t be as impactful as many are hoping unfortunately

kind talon
#

Interested to see what they do with BDK

#

if anything. Honestly they might just ignore it at this point

solid sun
#

Arms is catapulting to the top

#

Guaranteed

keen plank
#

30% aura buff incoming.

toxic pewter
#

Warrior in general won’t be seeing much tomorrow because a lot of the situation is overblown

#

People keep saying warr bad it’s some weird community backward psyop or something

#

Inevitably to keep warr down in the long run

#

Will see some apex tuning and that’s about it

lusty grotto
#

dooming

undone beacon
#

So apparently title cutoff wasnt prepatch, it was midnight launch?

#

Because someone in my guild was just awarded title, they were like resil 17 during season and then grinded out resil 20 during prepatch

glad magnet
#

Kek

toxic pewter
#

Yah there was a blue post about the title situation they’re gonna be removing the title from many people that were awarded it erroneously

ivory barn
#

I'm not clapping cheeks as 240 fury hard enough LOL

undone beacon
#

pics or it didnt happen

toxic pewter
molten hollow
#

It stinks in here.

undone beacon
#

no follow up?

molten hollow
#

Nope, just smells bad.

toxic pewter
#

Smells like winners

molten hollow
#

More like weiners.

toxic pewter
#

We r all very powerful in here

#

If u r reading then then u r more powerful than even u know

undone beacon
#

moooom come pick me up codenomad is being mean sadgers

daring marlin
ivory barn
#

they were lol

tribal wharf
#

i dunno i dont super enjoy pulling so big that we effectively wipe lol

#

normal big pull sure,

daring marlin
#

don't die and you won't wipe

#

ez

tribal wharf
#

easier said than done

lusty grotto
#

ive got a word for that

daring marlin
#

a dk shouldn't be able to enter light

lusty grotto
#

it ends with ussy

daring marlin
#

s hope

#

muh immersion

ivory barn
#

my stats are fucked anyway

lusty grotto
#

dont be hating, im loving HDR eversong

#

its like having discord in light mode

#

absolute blazing sun flashbang

tribal wharf
#

ya i just play the game now lol

#

then, when it proves to be too much i stop

tribal wharf
#

vault keystone is effectively 45 minutes of i have to be hyper awake and aware of things that are going on

lusty grotto
#

who

ivory barn
#

you know its bad when you are told 5+ targets Clap is after Rampage LOL then this shit exists

tribal wharf
#

i can only commit to 1 maybe 2 of those events per day

lusty grotto
ivory barn
#

ok Nim 🙁 sorry

tribal wharf
lusty grotto
#

who

tribal wharf
#

is there an owl in here

lusty grotto
#

no, who asked

tribal wharf
#

who, WHOOO

#

im just playing the game

lusty grotto
#

who

tribal wharf
#

and whatever happens happens

#

if its too hard

#

ill quit

#

simple statement

#

i got a short fuse when it comes to bullshit and im beyond caring long enough to argue

glad magnet
#

Do you need to talk buddy?

tribal wharf
#

nah, i just tend to burn bridges these days is all

tribal wharf
#

hes upset with me, cuz i said he does that type of thing, gets on peoples asses

glad magnet
#

Well whoever they are I’m sure they’re not mad at you and it’s just a misunderstanding.

tribal wharf
#

but tbh, i am a crashout andy anyways

#

get mad about some dumb crap that doesnt matter

#

lumber, some mythic keystone affix or ability i think is dumb

#

that nobody asked for or gave a shit about, always rooted in truth or connected to it

frigid spire
#

what y'all think the Go to will be for Raid MT or Col?

lusty grotto
#

depends on tomorrow's tuning

#

but as it stands it will differ only by fight damage profiles

#

there's nothing putting one above the other

undone beacon
#

I’m in your guild and play prot smh

#

Nim is a literal rat

#

But also nim is correct

frigid spire
#

lol

lusty grotto
#

why is your guild bleeding in

undone beacon
#

Xlor is new to the guild he hasn’t learned yet I don’t sleep

lusty grotto
#

youre a bear

#

there's snow

#

time for hibernation

undone beacon
#

shit you’re right

jagged pier
#

yuh huh

drowsy comet
#

Nuh uh

#

lil gup will never get old

#

boomer gup..hell no

jagged pier
#

the passage of time is inevitable

drowsy comet
jagged pier
#

run from it, hide from it, its arrive all the same

drowsy comet
#

never

daring marlin
#

get his ass jakey

small garden
#

wonder if i can off-play prot while keeping gear stats mostly for fury

#

trying to keep mastery up with crit

jagged pier
#

thats fine

drowsy comet
round pendant
#

who needs Ignore Pain

#

when I have

pastel geyser
#

is that poe lol

drowsy comet
#

bruh I have to do something wrong, theres no way preys take this long lmao

jagged pier
#

yes u r

drowsy comet
jagged pier
#

u just disarm traps in the world quest

crude spoke
#

Take prey, go to zone, find the prey world qust, do that and stay in that area click traps

round pendant
round pendant
crude spoke
#

if you get ambused by target, use the disarmed traps you collect on target for instant kill..

#

if you do that, then a prey takes around 5-8 mins depending on how you play

drowsy comet
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i knew i was doing it wrong

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lel an hour

pastel geyser
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and mind you this is probably not the intended way to play the mechanic

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disarming traps for a few min straight in a world quest

drowsy comet
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and these traps are always there in the WZ?

drowsy comet
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Okay yes, these traps really speed up things LOL