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cerulean tusk
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Wdum

tribal wharf
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which definitionally is foraging

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a step above herbalism

solid sun
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What is lumberjacking if not big herbalism

tribal wharf
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its.......... urgghh........... how the fuck do i put it......... i know doom

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if i have a rocket launcher or a bfg 9000

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and there is a low tier enemy like an imp

ivory barn
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Would dungeon spam and main story at 90 give Max level gear peepostudy

tribal wharf
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and i shoot it with the big gun / rocket

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i want the enemy to explode

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violently

cerulean tusk
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Yogi drunk again

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Jakey! JAAAKEY

tribal wharf
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im sorry, lumbering is j ust very limp from what i've seen

cerulean tusk
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It is just herbing with a different animation, what else did you expect. Full lumber Jack simulator?

lusty grotto
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he expected new world

ivory barn
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Meh, I'ma just keep pulling the entire quest on top the last guy and keep on trucking šŸ’Ŗ

tribal wharf
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the character to hold an axe that looks like its meant for chopping down a fucking tree

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and if i cant help you invision that without posting a google image

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im really fucking sorry okay guys

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and then they do animation at the tree attacking it, and then it makes chop chip chop ploc noises as you hit it

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then it falls over

cerulean tusk
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Now I am curious what you call an axe, as we cant envision it

lusty grotto
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its ok yogi, you just mention it waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too much

tribal wharf
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and you collect the fallen tree also it makes a bunch of creaky cracky noises as it falls and a loud tree branch shimmering noise as it hits the ground

toxic pewter
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Hello fellow early access individuals

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And… other people..

tribal wharf
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you point at a tree in that version

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and tell your dude to go collect it for you

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last i checked

tribal wharf
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and specific trees

lusty grotto
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again its not world of lumberjackcraft

tribal wharf
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HEEEERREEE'S JOHNNNYY

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it always has been tho nimchip

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ever since wc1 mission 1 for either side is go chop trees

lusty grotto
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idk what kind of game youve been playing but i certainly dont log on to "chop trees"

tribal wharf
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and in the human starter zones for sure there is lumber yards everwhere

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i cant say about other horde zones

lusty grotto
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thats just reference for the 3 previous RTS games

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its not the point of the game

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its a subtle nod, thats about it

tribal wharf
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this is something i am still going to be forever angry about

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like they dont add a taunt of some kind for paladin classic

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yet its clearly needed for raid bosses

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and coding divine intervention into hc

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the button that instantly kills your character in the mode where you cant die

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the sun well looks fucking amazing

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even though its audio is clearly broken likely as we saw with bald man's stream and its volume overpowering any other thing in the game for that period of time

lusty grotto
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we is a lot of people

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more like you did

ivory barn
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I have noticed tank damage intake is like non existent in leveling dungeons and I pulled like the entire first half of a dungeon

lusty grotto
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pretty normal

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its normal dungeons

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not unexpected

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or even different than other leveling in expansion releases

ivory barn
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True, I guess heroic gear does get you some benefits

tribal wharf
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ya, ill do the raid

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then ya, dunno from there

lusty grotto
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just remember the golden rule: ilvl > all

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so replace your gear asap with anything that's higher ilvl

ivory barn
solid sun
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I feel like it’s pretty niche for ilvl to not just be > all

lusty grotto
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in expansion release, it does

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and for the most part in season release as well

solid sun
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And tbh when there is a situation where ilvl isn’t > all I feel like blizz tries to change that unless we’re just talking about different trinkets operating at different levels

drowsy comet
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wow

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this one dungeon is just...

lusty grotto
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there is no situation where ilvl isn't > all

drowsy comet
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DAYUM

lusty grotto
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the only case was when classes weren't correctly scaling with primary stat

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you cannot do that in expansion release, since level ups reduce the % of secondary stat you get with a given number

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youre effectively inting if you dont insta replace with higher ilvl

daring marlin
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holy shit finally dmf's reign of terror is over. this goddamn buff has easily been the most obnoxious part of every launch

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based jb

lusty grotto
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jb always based

daring marlin
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per usual

undone beacon
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i was reading some xpac launch guide and the first step was "get DMF buff and dont log back into that character until xpac launch" keks

daring marlin
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I had a feeling it would be gone since they yeeted diplomacy

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frankly

drowsy comet
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devourer nerf when

daring marlin
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...for an hour lol

drowsy comet
daring marlin
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Tempted to level a DH simply for the swag way Devourer looks

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They just LOOK COOL

toxic pewter
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who here reach lvl 90

daring marlin
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I would've but I had the gym and work

undone beacon
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no purple eyes or void tattoos, instantly dont care smh

daring marlin
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maybe tomorrow

dusky canopy
solid sun
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It’s cool they took it out ig but if people found it annoying just don’t do it lol

daring marlin
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I think I'll actually do that thing I always regret not doing every expac launch

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my professions asap lol

lusty grotto
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i usually do those as i level

daring marlin
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Leveling in warmode is so funny dude

dusky canopy
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Campaign gets you to 88 delv campaign to 89 craft 89-90

daring marlin
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NOBODY attacking eachother

lusty grotto
dusky canopy
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I can’t read any of his messages for some reason but he isn’t muted

lusty grotto
fluid widget
lusty grotto
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you always could

dusky canopy
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Yes, first crafts give exp so if you plan to level a profession anyway it’s efficient to do it for the last level

lusty grotto
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since DF

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it was even nerfed then and in TWW

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but it still gives you exp

fluid widget
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I never did crafting besides double alchemy flask duration, I’ve always been a poor boy. Good to know

ivory barn
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Only crafting I've done is blacksmith and last expansion it went to ingots

fluid widget
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Also out of curiosity, is it just campaign quests or side quests too?

ivory barn
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If beta has anything to say, only main quests won't get you far enough

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You need like 1-2 side quest areas

lusty grotto
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brew just laid it out

fluid widget
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Yeah I had read it, turns out I’m just an idiot, sorry team

lusty grotto
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you can certainly do side quests to fill in

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thats always been the case

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entirely up to you

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what brew posted is just one of the optimized ways to go about it

fluid widget
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I’m just happy to be here

lusty grotto
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but youve always been here

ivory barn
lusty grotto
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its just a way to do it

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ADHD proof

ivory barn
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Ah, ok I thought maybe there was a different gigachad reason peepostudy

lusty grotto
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šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

mighty valley
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it really doesn't matter how you get to max level lol

lusty grotto
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most leveling optimizations never have a huge impatct

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they just come up because its every 1.5 to 2 years

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and people forget their fast leveling didnt amount to shit lol

ivory barn
mighty valley
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basically everything you do for ilvl would be wiped out by m0s, which will then be wiped out when the season actually launches

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this is the chance to just chill

ivory barn
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I got asked to get this and my lock 90 by Monday so gladge

kind talon
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3 weeks to enjoy the journey

kind talon
ivory barn
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I enjoy leveling so I told them to fuck off

lusty grotto
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brew has to get multiple characters ready

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for splits

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so

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thats just a personal thing

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otherwise, there's no real benefit

ivory barn
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Only benefits I see is just completing more wq's and stuff but why do that

lusty grotto
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there are none, like Harrow said

ivory barn
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Gold doesn't exist lol

lusty grotto
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everything gets wiped out

undone beacon
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except all this cash money im making

drowsy comet
mighty valley
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which will then be wiped out when you're lowered into your grave

ivory barn
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Only benefit I see is selling it all to the AH lol, my lock is a tailor

undone beacon
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Yeah im just dumping mats onto the AH for whales to level their profs with

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Then ill stockpile some for my own profs

ivory barn
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I'm gonna stockpile between launch and 3/17

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Dump it all right before and kablewy money

drowsy comet
dusky canopy
mighty valley
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hey guys which spec is better for the afterlife, cremation or burial

dusky canopy
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Dump 2000 herb/ore on the 17th make massive bank for all the crafts

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Except the catch is more and more people caught on to this so the profits are not as big as they used to be but still good

lusty grotto
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yeah

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that about it

undone beacon
dusky canopy
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Bro Viking funeral would be sick

ivory barn
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God my UI is a abysmal fucking mess

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Is there something that hides action bars, or does on combat -> hide work in edit mode?

lusty grotto
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afaik you can only do that with either an addon or a cvar

ivory barn
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It's not the worst thing on the planet, but it's close

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Honestly I've played with worse, and that is what caused me to stop installing addons

lusty grotto
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i always recommend you hide em cause you want your eyes up front

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im not sure what you mean about addons

ivory barn
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Every time I get off my mount, it's playing Russian roulette if the sky riding bar stays

ivory barn
lusty grotto
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well dont have redundant addons clueless

mighty valley
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you only want them to be dundant once

lusty grotto
civic spoke
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undundanted

solid sun
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Dundant Mifflin is my favorite addon company

lusty grotto
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i cant wait to play Sident Evil Equiem this weekend

toxic pewter
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I gotta tell it like it is, sometimes even in spite of certain predictions I have made

solid sun
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APB is having so much fun this expansion

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He already thinks it’s better than TWW

mighty valley
lusty grotto
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idk about that Harrow

toxic pewter
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what did I do

round pendant
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oh midnight is out right

lusty grotto
round pendant
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I will try to not vibe terrorise for the next few weeks

toxic pewter
lusty grotto
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its also Leon Kennedy time

toxic pewter
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is it a new resident evil

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i keep hearing about it

lusty grotto
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yes

toxic pewter
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damn badass

undone beacon
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midnight doesnt have a story, its just a slideshow of xala'taths feet and comic sans text saying "thanks for the money simps"

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I'm greatly enjoying it

toxic pewter
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lmao

hardy snow
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ok, training ground while lvling are broken af

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no chance winning this

daring marlin
round pendant
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can't

opal ledge
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i feel like warriors are immune to tank busters now

lusty grotto
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based on leveling content in normal dungeons?

opal ledge
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no, based on the skill numbers
15% reduction on big hits talent, always having spell reflect or shield block up

lusty grotto
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we are significantly tankier yes

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the only new thing is Stance Mastery

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but its strong enough

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the other two have been around for a while, SR changed for MDR in DF

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but i wouldnt say we're gonna be immune to tank busters

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thats very hyperbolic

ivory barn
opal ledge
mighty valley
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stance mastery is pretty nutty though, kept expecting it to get nerfed

lusty grotto
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it will probably get the nerf bat

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i wouldnt be surprised

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not that it's a make or break thing for us

mighty valley
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it's also pretty crazy for dps warrs

ivory barn
mighty valley
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if they ever become good

lusty grotto
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Wall

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Demo

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IP

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Punish

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Keep your feet on the ground / Dominance of the colossus

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Stance Mastery

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you have no issues with Magic damage

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you only have issues not using your defensives

lean aurora
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I'm printing that and putting it above my desk.

opal ledge
lusty grotto
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magic damage has not been a dangerous thing for warriors, again, since DF (cause we had Spell Block then RIP chief)

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and even after, balancing was good enough that it was a nothingburger

mighty valley
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our only problem was long lasting magic dots that didn't get the Spell Block Check for whatever reason

lusty grotto
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inconsistent ones yeah like zskarn

ivory barn
mighty valley
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are you playing shadowlands

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are you currently choosing to play wow classic: shadowlands edition

shut summit
ivory barn
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Am I just blind and it doesn't go away now?

lusty grotto
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it hasnt gone away

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since df

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thats why i specifically mentioned DF

shut summit
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it was changed ye, 2 separate buffs

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one gives the DR, one is the reflect

ivory barn
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Bruh I was away for too long ShatteringThrow šŸ—‘ļø

mighty valley
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yeah sr is sick

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
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you missed the spell block glory days

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i miss spell block

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sometimes

ivory barn
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The Apex making Tclap give SS a cone is cool

dusky canopy
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Blizzard: Warrior players are not smart enough for spell block

mighty valley
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god don't make me defend spell block removal again

lusty grotto
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only sense smart enough

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no need

mighty valley
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it's gone and we're fine against magic damage in consistent ways now

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we're good

lusty grotto
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we dont need it

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yeah

lusty grotto
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BDK would like a word (historically)

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sadly its currently in the grave

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but for the most part it has been pretty well balanced for a while

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so everyone can pretty much survive things like that

ivory barn
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I'm gonna have to figure out how to get 2 2H swords at some point 😭

undone beacon
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i cant believe they took spell block away

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we're basically worthless now

shut summit
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spell block for mugzee mines rip

strong forum
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see

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its your fault for doing paladin things on a non-paladin

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and they IMMEDIATELY removed it

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🚬

lusty grotto
shut summit
lusty grotto
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spell block nostalgia this soon

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i cant believe it

ivory barn
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What did war actually have a reflect all button?

lusty grotto
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eh?

ivory barn
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Spell block sounds like a reflect all button

lusty grotto
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no

strong forum
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what about block says reflect

lusty grotto
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it just blocked spells

strong forum
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clearly says block

opal ledge
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it just makes ur shield block also block magic stuff

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no reflect just block

lusty grotto
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we did have a reflect all button it was SR in legion with Reflective Plating

ivory barn
ivory barn
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I was in here complaining I wanted the mage tower appearance before the .2 patch

lusty grotto
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then you probably talked with me then

solid sun
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I hate when people I do plumbing work for call me to do something for one of their family or friends and expect them to get the same friendly pricing

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Homie they aren’t you. They don’t get it

lusty grotto
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well this is hindsight-y but maybe set expectations when telling them prices

solid sun
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That’s how I end up having the conversations

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ā€œYeah I can fix it for them but they have standard pricingā€

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Then I receive a filibuster

lusty grotto
ivory barn
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Arms is gonna get so buffed that warrior gonna only play it for mythic raid copium

dusky canopy
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ā€œFriends and family discountā€

raven knoll
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are you guys levleing with prot? or no

solid sun
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Yep

lusty grotto
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no reason to level as dps

ivory barn
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I have been because it's easier

dusky canopy
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I too level as Prot

ivory barn
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"grab half the quest zone, hit Tclap, turn in, repeat"

dusky canopy
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Oh no I just remembered I have to install atrocity’s UI tonight critcake

lusty grotto
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dropping naowh?

dusky canopy
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I’m still on the pre elvui version lmao

ivory barn
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You don't have to

dusky canopy
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Yeah I decided to go atrocity this patch to start

lusty grotto
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good shit

dusky canopy
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We’ll see how it goes

raven knoll
lusty grotto
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for reasons already mentioned

ivory barn
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Is naowhs still performance reduced?

drowsy comet
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How many alts yall gonna level when midnight comes officially out

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
solid sun
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Do we still have to pay for Naowh

raven knoll
dusky canopy
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I really enjoyed Naowhui but the mods over there are so damn annoying to get help from if you have any kind of issues

lusty grotto
undone beacon
dusky canopy
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So I decided to give Aui a shot

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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or icyveins

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just have a shield and 1h

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and replace with higher ilvls

solid sun
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I’ll just choose one that’s free

lusty grotto
solid sun
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Or make my own

ivory barn
lusty grotto
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that ones free and pretty solid

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its gonna be my recommendation now that Quazii is gone

dusky canopy
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One thing Naowh always did better imo vs AUI was the M+ package

raven knoll
dusky canopy
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Naowhs holds your hand big time

raven knoll
lusty grotto
raven knoll
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copy sir thanks!

lusty grotto
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i just do Naowh cause i really like the look and feel

solid sun
lusty grotto
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but i was Aui before that

solid sun
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How do these work now? Do you just look at this and find out what addons they use and get them all or is this like an all encompassing situation?

lusty grotto
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and just my personal profiles before Aui

dusky canopy
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We’ll see this is a trial run for me with a prime sub lol

ivory barn
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Noawhs is good too, don't get me wrong, but the support if something went wrong caused me to not stay with it

lusty grotto
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hit the install with wago client button

solid sun
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I haven’t touched the new ui since the addon changes so I have no idea what’s about to happen to me

lusty grotto
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run the setup in game

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thats it

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read the instructions in there

dusky canopy
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They are plug and play UIs that cover all informational things you need for raid/dungeons,
also neatly organized and generally minimalistic

solid sun
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Telling a rhino to read feels like targeted harassment

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Sounds easy enough

ivory barn
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Another reason I went addonless was to try and rebuild a UI myself

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It doesn't look bad, but could be much better

lusty grotto
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UI is deeply personal

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so whatever works for you

raven knoll
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last quesion you guys level in offstance or defence stance?

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as tank

lusty grotto
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dstance is fine

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youll perma dstance anyway if you decided to play it all the time

ivory barn
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Battle stance unless you pull like a monkey

lusty grotto
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but honestly it doesnt matter

solid sun
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Oh man

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Everytime Yam talks about Pash being his wife I’m going to picture this now

drowsy comet
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But you can give it to me, I can take care of it keks

solid sun
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No

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I’ve already been given the greatest UI that exists

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I no longer have need of Naowh’s

small steeple
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So, I remember during the beta that people weren't talking the apex talent. Did they tune it at all? Or what?

lusty grotto
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we're taking it

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it just sims better

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it still needs a buff

mighty valley
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it could def be stronger but what the fuck else are you taking

lusty grotto
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the other picks arent good, but feel free to sim, the APL is updated for ST

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im optimizing for AOE slowly

unreal yarrow
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Does the Sim do survival now? If not of course a pure dps talent Sims better

lusty grotto
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just use Latest

solid sun
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Can’t sim for survival.

lusty grotto
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purely defensive options

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etc

unreal yarrow
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Apex talents do not equal stats

lusty grotto
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thats why i said

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not good for defensive talents

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whats your specific question?

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whether we can opt out of apex for other defensive talents? is that it?

unreal yarrow
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My comment was in reference to you saying you take apex talents because it Sims better

lusty grotto
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yes

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we do sims here

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thats how we've always rolled

mighty valley
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only the first point has any defensive benefit at all anyway?

unreal yarrow
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Yeah the first is solid

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The rest are weak and damage only

drowsy comet
ionic fern
mighty valley
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all these execute talents? nope

unreal yarrow
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I mean, so never take a pure defensive talent over a dps one?

lusty grotto
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which talent

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BSV? sure

plush path
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did someone just edit faq

mighty valley
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what are the strong defensive talents that you miss out on by taking apex

lusty grotto
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anything else? nah

round pendant
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Sure you can

unreal yarrow
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Indomitable, and last stand

ionic fern
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Those are w/e.

lusty grotto
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indom isnt strong enough - maybe if it was up to DF levels we would

unreal yarrow
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I mean, not this week obviously

dusky canopy
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You take the minimum necessary defensive talents you need to survive* in favor of impactful dps gains

undone beacon
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indom keks

round pendant
mighty valley
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they did rebuff indom, it's not terrible now. but it's also easy to take

lusty grotto
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yeah neither of those two provide that much impact

round pendant
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It's 6pm and I'm going to bed bedge

undone beacon
undone beacon
lusty grotto
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BSV, i could understand

round pendant
lusty grotto
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either way if you wanted to take those, you would pick the lowest dps yielding talents on their bracket

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so simming is useful

unreal yarrow
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I'm not saying dmg Sims aren't useful

lusty grotto
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i know what youre saying, im just clarifying

opal ledge
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i think my character is kinda bugged, i'm not receiving gold from stuff i sell on ah

drowsy comet
round pendant
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Tbh I was always on (and still basically am) on the side of bare minimum survivability for the content you're doing. But there's SOME merit to going a little more in on tank if it makes new players play a bit more confidently

lusty grotto
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sure, and also you will want to opt into those depending on the level of content you play

solid sun
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I will say everytime I’ve died and asked why I was never told it was because I was missing a defensive talent

lusty grotto
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like if youre doing r1 keys, youre def want to make sure you have specific picks depending on what youre facing - and most importantly: taking into consideration gear ilvl vs the key

round pendant
solid sun
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It was always misplaying

round pendant
drowsy comet
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why lol

round pendant
lusty grotto
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it happens in r1 keys

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but

round pendant
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Unless it's literally like r1

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Ye

unreal yarrow
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It depends on the talent

lusty grotto
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but that's just not something we can recommend here

round pendant
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Now I should be able to tho

drowsy comet
lusty grotto
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and what you have available

solid sun
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If we are using the builds found on wowhead or IV

lusty grotto
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there's a lot more depends than just the talent

solid sun
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And you aren’t doing r1 content

drowsy comet
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anyway im going to bed now too lol, been playing since 7am roughly 12 hours lmao

solid sun
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I doubt it will be a missing defensive talent

lusty grotto
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LS has historically been a nothingburger for a while now

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the fact that it goes on when you wall is nice, but, you most like wont need the extra EHP if wall is up

unreal yarrow
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If a talent lets me play worse... bsv is a good example

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And it isn't just r1 keys

drowsy comet
lusty grotto
drowsy comet
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idk could be many things

round pendant
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Yes

drowsy comet
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see

lusty grotto
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like what

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rodent 1?

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that me

solid sun
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Rebel 1

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Isn’t that a Star Wars ship

lusty grotto
solid sun
#

Maybe I made that up

drowsy comet
round pendant
lusty grotto
#

i feel like youre headed into the good ole cheat death discussion

round pendant
#

But bsv is valid pick regardless since they fixed it and it can save a royal fuck up situation

lusty grotto
#

we can easily pick BSV with the build

unreal yarrow
lusty grotto
#

so i dont see the point with this discussion

#

yeah

#

there it is

round pendant
#

Lmao

#

Goodnight lads and lasses

lusty grotto
#

Aaran, if you want to play cheat, the recommendation here is that you make sure you review logs or remember when it procced to improve

#

thats about it

#

if you dont do that, youre missing out by talenting it

#

but at the end of the day its your sub

unreal yarrow
#

That is good advice. If I proc it I do try to keep it from happening again

solid sun
#

I don’t talent into BSV because mama didn’t raise no punk

drowsy comet
mighty valley
#

i mean yeah, it's fair to say that a lotta mid keys are more likely to go wrong due to an asspull or someone missing a kick or whatever than having suboptimal tank dps

lusty grotto
#

but again talenting BSV is really easy

#

so the cheat discussion isnt really relevant and hasnt been since DF

mighty valley
#

yeah that's my thing, we have a lot of points now lol

solid sun
#

I feel like if I die I can bring a log and it’s clear and easy where I died and why

#

But if I’m using BSV it becomes less clear

#

But I’m also an idiot

mighty valley
#

yeah but goals for different players are different

round pendant
#

Yeah I was speaking broadly about relying on defensive talents not specifically bsv

mighty valley
#

maybe you're just chillin with buds and want to avoid some deaths

solid sun
#

My goal is to rid the world of pollution

round pendant
#

But it's a bit philosophical innit

mighty valley
#

turn off your computer!!

solid sun
#

Bless Captain Planet

round pendant
#

I'm on my phone šŸ˜”

mighty valley
#

lol

#

i was yelling at rhino

solid sun
#

I’m also on my phone

round pendant
#

Oh I thought you were telling me to go to bed

mighty valley
#

turn off your phone!!

solid sun
#

Yam and I are very environmentally conscious

mighty valley
#

i've got some bad news about the production of phones and pollution, Captain Planet

round pendant
#

Yeah my phone is like 7 years old now

#

It still works it will not contribute to ewaste

solid sun
#

Harrow are you old enough to remember Gilligan’s Island

toxic pewter
#

just sit right back and youll hear a tale.........

lusty grotto
#

also i wanted to add: remember this discord is to help warriors play better and optimize. If you make the decision of "it allows me to play worse" you no longer need our validation because thats a personal and very subjective opinion

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nor does it dismiss sims as ways to help us optimize

solid sun
#

Just remember what Batman’s dad said

Why do we die, Bruce?
So we can take the logs to nimchip

drowsy comet
unreal yarrow
#

If a build will allow you to complete the same content with less skill the build is better. That's what Sims are for.

lusty grotto
#

thats an opinion

#

not a fact

unreal yarrow
#

*for that content, I should say

mighty valley
solid sun
#

Well nevermind then. The joke would be lost

#

Yo tbh

#

I kinda just thought sims were to optimize damage

#

And then when you encounter situations where you can’t live you use sims to optimize damage while picking up new defensive talents you find become required

mighty valley
#

there's just a strong enough correlation between dps and survivability when comparing just secondary stats

#

that it's kind of the best we've got for like, vault item comparisons

lusty grotto
#

both are true

mighty valley
#

they're just very obviously not gonna reflect the survivability difference between two talents, one with +3% dps and one with +20% dr lol

lusty grotto
#

hes not accounting for skill increase

ionic fern
#

Then do what you want and enjoy the game.

lusty grotto
#

from what i can gather he means comparative to other people

#

i.e. path of least resistance

ionic fern
#

Least resistance to what?

lusty grotto
#

oh sorry i was just clarifying for lil gup

ionic fern
#

Oh.

lusty grotto
#

it did throw me for a loop a bit

#

didnt know what he meant by "same content"

#

whether he meant same content as other people, or the same content for himself (i.e. farm etc)

#

kinda makes more sense to me that he means compared to other people

#

otherwise he needs to account for skill increase and gear

solid sun
#

Build A does more damage
Build B is tankier?

Run a +12 dungeon twice. build B required less skill to survive/complete so it’s better?

#

That’s how I understood the statement

mighty valley
#

today in Unfalsifiable Statements To Argue About

ivory barn
#

If you build tanky, but do no dmg are you still keeping threat? That's the question I ask with a build

lusty grotto
#

sure

jagged gust
#

All I ask is "Am I mogging on the pugs with my phat DPS"

ivory barn
#

I had built a tank that just did no damage but survived in M+ keys and was being laughed at for it at one point, but I never died peepostudy

#

Season 1 with Araka end boss was hilarious to solo

mighty valley
#

it's so hard to dodge enough damage talents that you'd really have threat problems these days

ionic fern
mighty valley
#

except the usual struggles with burst

lusty grotto
#

yeah i dont know why its one or the other

ivory barn
lusty grotto
#

no, its just thats its impossible to avoid damage talents

ivory barn
ionic fern
#

I have a strong feeling you just played incorrectly.

mighty valley
#

telling your dps to wait one goddamn second is the true saving grace

ivory barn
mighty valley
#

yeah, basically any reasonable build can solo a lot of bosses

ivory barn
#

I know more about prot now than when I went on hiatus

mighty valley
#

it's just usually a time loss unless you expect the group to full wipe a second time too lol

ivory barn
#

True, judgement call of do I wipe or finish the last 30%

ebon geyser
ivory barn
#

Sit while I gather, then delete it LETSGOOO

ebon geyser
#

IMAGINE if this kids now a days had to wait for 5 sunders

ivory barn
#

You act like a fire mage wanting to bust

dusky canopy
ivory barn
#

Clapping on CD seems to be the most obnoxious thing, but it keeps rage up 😭

mighty valley
#

why is clapping on cd obnoxious

#

we love pressing buttons on cd

tribal wharf
#

puts rend on new targets

#

deals aoe dmg

ivory barn
#

Between packs in dungeons mostly

tribal wharf
#

gives a spender

#

why would you NOT want to hit clap with more than 0 enemies around

drowsy comet
#

idk if i should be asking that but..

ivory barn
#

Should have classified, the between pack rage

drowsy comet
#

are there people that actually play just 1 class/character per expansion?

lusty grotto
drowsy comet
#

do these exist? monkahmm

lusty grotto
#

charge gives you rage

#

youre not gonna run out

#

we're not in SL

ivory barn
#

My smooth brain ingrained "hit clap between packs to keep your rage up"

ebon geyser
#

how is prot dps?

#

or time to kill and how is our apex talent?

lusty grotto
mighty valley
#

5 rage doesn't really do much meaningfully to stop rage drain out of combat... instead think about how to minimize these long out of combat walks haha

undone beacon
ivory barn
ebon geyser
#

reason i ask is because im playing prot paladin but good god dmg is so crap

lusty grotto
#

wdym spear

undone beacon
#

Well we all hate ppal here

ivory barn
mighty valley
#

remember spear is a movement button now lol. but no

lusty grotto
#

just dont stop and afk

#

we arent playing spear

ebon geyser
#

and also gettiing tired of only seeing bears and brew around i feel im in a furry convention

jagged gust
mighty valley
#

there just aren't that many huge gaps in dungeons these days, you can often start walking the dregs of the last pack to the next anyway

glad magnet
#

ok gamers, whats the tldr quick guide on gear at 90, where do i go first

mighty valley
#

a lot of your concerns sound like things from vanilla haha

lusty grotto
#

nimchipadin absolutely fucking hates prot paladin what are you talking about

ivory barn
lusty grotto
#

being rage baited by will

jagged gust
#

I ran out of coffee, this is the only fuel i have for today ā¤ļø

undone beacon
mighty valley
#

but yeah it's not super strong for real content

undone beacon
#

Both will get nerfed on the 17th and all the people who FotM rerolled will weep

tribal wharf
#

does anybody here still use intel cpu i wonder

#

desktop user only not laptop

#

seems like amd much better

ivory barn
mighty valley
#

are mobs running away from you a lot

ivory barn
#

In dungeons to control packs was my thoughts

jagged gust
#

Bring back original beta spear I say

ebon geyser
lusty grotto
mighty valley
#

i'd have to see a ton of threatening leapers before i'd think spear was worth it for the utility

lusty grotto
#

yup

ivory barn
#

Makes sense

mighty valley
#

i'm sure it's something in pvp

#

but we'd need our pvp expert apb to comment on that

drowsy comet
#

Did spear got changed even?

mighty valley
#

from tww? yeah

drowsy comet
#

Damn

ivory barn
#

You can jump back to it now

mighty valley
#

lost the additional talent, added a recast to jump to it

#

but the biggest difference is just that it's not a competitive damage choice

#

there are many better talents down there

undone beacon
lusty grotto
#

AM and Stance Mastery are hard locks

#

Commander is just a no brainer

jagged gust
#

I don't like the concept of the leap anyways, sounds like backshot city without a stun component

undone beacon
#

mmmm backshot city...

#

sorry ill leave

mighty valley
mighty valley
#

we gotta work on phrasing

mighty valley
#

anyway yeah, the leap is just kinda weird to think about using in practice

#

in pve, at least

ebon geyser
undone beacon
#

Nah we're fine

ivory barn
#

I wonder if you can pillar it in pvp and jump to it lol

mighty valley
#

everyone always says the dungeons are magic heavy

undone beacon
#

Spell Reflect is a strong magic DR on a short CD, and we have a lot of baseline DR

#

Isnt an issue

drowsy comet
#

but where damage

jagged gust
#

everywhere

drowsy comet
ivory barn
#

Oh, fuck reading talents makes me want to yeet that spear into a fucking cave and never pick it

undone beacon
#

Reading the card talent explains the talent

ivory barn
#

I only looked at spear in the capstone 😭

#

"here pick this because we told you too" had been my mythic experience sadge going to a heroic guild fucked with my head apparently

unreal sequoia
#

Yall im coming back to wow after like 5 years. Im struggling to setup my bar, and what addons i need. Anyone got any advice?

lusty grotto
#

thats a very broad question, can you break it down?

ivory barn
#

They murdered a lot of add-ons, try it add-on less to see what you'd want to keep

jagged gust
#

do you know about edit mode? idr when that was added

lusty grotto
#

you dont need any addons

ivory barn
#

^

lusty grotto
#

but we will need more information on what you want to achieve

unreal sequoia
#

Havent played since like shadowlands, so Im pretty lost ngl, I just remember I used to have like 3 bars of icons and a center thing. Im just overwhelmed coming back haha

lusty grotto
#

go into options

#

and type "cooldown manager" in the search bar at the top right

#

enable that

drowsy comet
ivory barn
#

Like this is what casual freedom is like? LETSGOOO

lusty grotto
#

after you enable it let me know Unavi

unreal sequoia
#

it looks like this now

lusty grotto
#

hit Esc and click Edit Mode

#

then right click the Cooldown manager

#

youll see a window pop up with some options, you can customize it a little bit there

#

you can do more customizing by pressing the advanced options button (i think its the middle one)

drowsy comet
#

have a cheese, rat šŸ§€

unreal sequoia
#

Ok this feels like something I can work with

lusty grotto
#

have fun ratJAMMIN

ivory barn
#

Enjoy and welcome back!

unreal sequoia
#

Anyone have a quick guide video, or rotation, or bar I can copy while I get my chops back?

#

Thank you!

undone beacon
#

WoWhead has you covered there

#

For rotation and talents at least

lusty grotto
#

and icyveins

#

both are good

ebon geyser
#

did num stop playing

lusty grotto
#

tl;dr keep SB up, dont turn your back to mobs

SS > TC > Revenge/Exec

this changes with hero talents

#

and with rage available

#

use IP at 70+ rage

ivory barn
drowsy comet
#

turn ur back on enemies if u wanna get killed clueless

lusty grotto
#

or /sit

unreal sequoia
#

Could I get an image of someones bar just for refernce of what I might need to have keybound?

spring tusk
#

When y'all pulling, what ability do you use for initial aggro?

spring tusk
#

just charge,clap, charge clap?

lusty grotto
#

sure

spring tusk
#

then mass taunt if need

lusty grotto
#

on a pinch sure

ivory barn
#

Charge, SS, Clap is what I'd normally

lusty grotto
#

but you shouldnt need it

unreal sequoia
#

Its just a jumping off point

mighty valley
lusty grotto
#

yeah pretty much

#

slam is gone

#

so there's no need to mention it

spring tusk
#

don't use rend?

#

or does revenge apply it ?

#

or something

lusty grotto
#

clap applies it

#

but it has to be talented

unreal sequoia
#

shield charge is just better charge?

lusty grotto
#

no

#

its a nuke

ivory barn
lusty grotto
#

that also applies Shield Block on you

#

dont use it to gap close

#

use it point blank

#

to blast something with CDs

ivory barn
#

Ava+demo+SC has been nuts while leveling

lusty grotto
#

im not sure what you mean by that question

drowsy comet
#

So many random questions

ivory barn
lusty grotto
#

yes

#

but thats not a tc only thing

#

aoes in general for all classes just behave that way since they were changed so you didnt pull random shit by mistake

#

neutral mobs, at least

ivory barn
#

Like conflag with immolate on warlock spreads Immo now, but seems only in combat mobs

lusty grotto
#

its not really a Midnight thing

#

theyve been that way for a while

tribal wharf
#

lord tempt me not with stupid ebay bullshit this month

#

legendary gpu

lament osprey
#

Go ahead and send it. I’ll allow it

tribal wharf
#

oh thats ... no

#

i take all the trinkets except the ones that suck

cerulean tusk
#

Buy GPU, find it partly stripped of chips, gg ez clap

tribal wharf
#

i can get a better price if i go in person

#

might take a bus or something to do it

drowsy comet
tribal wharf
#

open box so its 2,200 canada

#

which is ~1900usd i think

#

1600

drowsy comet
#

Half a kidney it is then

tribal wharf
#

i have a 850w 2025 psu, not a 1000w

#

so icant 5080/90

#

BOOM

#

speaking of trinkets, i hope to god they bring back bacon trinket

#

that thing was so stupidly broken

lusty grotto
#

why would they bring it back

#

aberrus isnt returning

tribal wharf
#

its the bfg9000

#

you fire it and a whole bunch of stuff dies or gets nuked

lusty grotto
#

we're aware of how it works

tribal wharf
#

in a keystone of its time at a 15 it would deal ~3 to 5% of the bosses total HP in 1 go typically

#

it was broken

#

that is broken

lusty grotto
#

it wasnt by s4

#

manic grief was superior

tribal wharf
#

sure, thats fair but it had its time to shine

#

no

#

grief is trash

#

i hate it

cerulean tusk
#

Beacon was more fun tho, if ya talking about the big meteor

#

it was also more dam, if it crit as DH

lusty grotto
#

hes talking about Beacon

cerulean tusk
#

Highroll that sheit baby!

#

Hm, that isnt the meteor thingie?

#

What was bacon then

lusty grotto
#

beacon

#

beacon = bacon

#

it was a beam

#

from the sky

cerulean tusk
#

A beam

tribal wharf
#

3million damage is what it was

#

a deathray if you will

cerulean tusk
#

not this one?

#

That was the commet, it was ace, (bad dam, but fun to use)

lusty grotto
#

yes its that one

cerulean tusk
#

it wasnt a beam

#

it was a litteral commet coming down

lusty grotto
#

whatever

lusty grotto
#

it was nerf enough anyway after s2

#

manic grief was buff by dinar season

tribal wharf
#

bbbbbBBbbbBBZzzBZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

lusty grotto
#

therefore manic grief was the superior "cant block while you cast" trinket

cerulean tusk
#

Nah, if you were havoc the highroll was higher with beacon

#

git gud

#

scrub

lusty grotto
#

is this the fel hammer?

#

isnt this skyhold?

cerulean tusk
#

You just jelly you bad

#

and wrong

lusty grotto
#

well im not wrong cause i aint talking about hdh

cerulean tusk
#

It wasnt a lazer, it wasnt bad

#

you just wrong at all points

tribal wharf
#

i didnt like MGT for some reasons manic grief torch i recall it being called.
#1 u had to stop and lock in place your pointing location
#2 #1 turns into you can miss
#3 you can get yogid this way hit in the back + deal no dmg

tribal wharf
#

and so i like it but for those reason it suck despite that it deal big dmg

cerulean tusk
#

how can you say he was wrong about his reasons?

lusty grotto
#

im talking about s4 gref

cerulean tusk
#

They dont need to be valid, it is still HIS reasons

#

rat wrong again

tribal wharf
#

oh, they buffed the hell out of that, i always like the, not so much a passive stat stick one like ther was the DF one that you can just choose ur stat stick any of 4 secondaries

#

but like, you equip it and then sometimes a thing happens

#

damage, or a buff

lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
#

Rat taking all the L's today, Yogi all the wins

lusty grotto
#

besides Cursed Stone Idol is the superior "cant block while you cast trinket"

#

because its more recent

cerulean tusk
#

You cant say his reasons are wrong, as per definition of being his reasons, they are THE reasons

#

rat take the L

#

with grace

ivory barn
#

Just don't give us another arcanocrystal and I'll be happy

cerulean tusk
#

Withered Jim farm

tribal wharf
#

10 year old or me when playing cnc, the one showed

#

and then i go to the nod base with some dudes i think can clear it

#

bzzztttt , then they all die

#

WTF

#

oh sure, i sent 4 medium tanks and a bunch of light tanks and some grenadiers SURELY that will be enough

lusty grotto
#

"cant block while you cast" Trinket ranking
Cursed Stone Idol > Manic Grief = Puzzle box> Beacon > Storm-eaters boon

ivory barn
lusty grotto
#

everyone else is wrong

cerulean tusk
tribal wharf
#

i liked the one from the df flying dungeon that give move speed proc buff

#

many good from DF

lusty grotto
#

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

lusty grotto
#

the only answer is Dread Plates

tribal wharf
#

i know for 100% fact i will get hate for this

cerulean tusk
#

Dread Plates was pretty decent dam, if it was from the dragonboss

lusty grotto
#

s4 dread plates, not s2

cerulean tusk
#

Fair enuff

#

What was that armor trinky called, that only gave a bit of armor on use and stamina

#

that is my dream trinky

lusty grotto
#

absolutegarbage

ivory barn
#

šŸ—‘ļø

undone beacon
#

platinum armor plates? my beloved?

lusty grotto
tribal wharf
#

NO

#

not that stupid shit

#

even i knew that was garbgage

warm plinth
lusty grotto
#

beacon was only good in s2

#

its a product of its time

warm plinth
lusty grotto
#

the others were better either multiple seasons or s4

tribal wharf
#

unrelated but this one is good as hell

undone beacon
#

SL S4 was the best season because you could rock both Platinum Armor Plates and Codex

warm plinth
#

Why are you like this

ivory barn
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
#

this one too

undone beacon
#

Dreadplates was goated. I ran Dreadplates + Totem that season

lusty grotto
#

ye

#

dreadplates + totem or dreadplates o manic grief

warm plinth
#

Pop quiz: What was the original literalgarbage? Who remembers?

ivory barn
#

Gimme the hook from necrotic wake tho

lusty grotto
#

but i has to be a legion one

cerulean tusk
#

Where is my gold

lusty grotto
#

nope

#

cat wrong again

warm plinth
#

Smh incorrect cat

cerulean tusk
#

That trinky was negative value, wdum!

warm plinth
#

The og was royal dagger haft

lusty grotto
#

he means which trinket was made an emoji called literalgarbage in this server

cerulean tusk
#

The trinky from Kael SL?

lusty grotto
warm plinth
#

No it was from chromatic anomaly in nighthold

lusty grotto
#

thats it

warm plinth
#

That was the first literalgarbage emoji

cerulean tusk
#

This is the one that came to my mind

tribal wharf
#

this is the one

#

i know i will get hate for it

#

but i like it

#

not i love it but

warm plinth
#

Some seasons there was actually solid competition for worst trinket keks

#

Yogi did you play legion?

tribal wharf
#

no

cerulean tusk
#

That slime trinky scaled with crit and versa btw, could heal quite a bit

ivory barn
warm plinth
#

@lusty grotto imagine yogi's trinket collecting obsession combined with relinquished trinkets keks

#

Not to mention titanforging

tribal wharf
lusty grotto
#

how are you lvl 80

#

didnt you not play TWW

#

caught in 4k

#

all that yogi says is lies

dusky canopy
#

3.9k*

lusty grotto
#

or less

#

all that talk about "coming back to wow" and he was subbed all along

#

i have never felt more betrayed in my life

jagged gust
#

caught in 942x357

lusty grotto
#

yuppers

undone beacon
#

so do I sell all these mats or hold them. Half and half? Commit to hold?

lusty grotto
#

do it you pus.. bear

undone beacon
#

I have like 22k worth of copper in my bag right now and its tempting because im impatient

jagged gust
#

ez sell

lusty grotto
#

very ez sell

jagged gust
#

pre-release pays for itself if you ever consider buying tokens by farming the first few weeks

fluid widget
#

Isn’t the Fetish of the Sand Reaver the worst trinket ever made

#

Can’t imagine anything worse

undone beacon
#

i dont normally do the economy stuff early xpac so im like, unsure if i hold for launch when more people would be buying, or if prices will tank because more people will be gathering?

lusty grotto
#

doesnt matter just sell

#

dont overthink it

undone beacon
#

all i do is overthink rat

lusty grotto
#

then stop it, youre a bear

undone beacon
#

harumph

lusty grotto
#

no think just do

lament osprey
#

I hope bear gets nuked from orbit

jagged gust
#

gouge the AH goblins asap because they'll get you back in the long run

lusty grotto
#

all that thinking is gonna get you into Sunk Cost Fallacy faster than cat goes for feet pics

undone beacon
#

i just hate economy simulators but i also want shiny expensive things so

coarse latch
#

Thanks!

ivory barn
#

I've made 40k literally just mining ore lol

jagged gust
#

I was making like 100k/h on a bad day last xpac week 1, and that's me normally getting bored after 5-10 minutes then playing in the garden for the next 15

tribal wharf
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i wonder if i should just use the tenders i got for mounts

lusty grotto
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youre banned from talking

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youre a liar

tribal wharf
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no shield transmog sadly

jagged gust
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Unless the mount is unbelievably cute or funny I just sit on tenders, 374/378 times it's just another thing collecting dust in a long forgotten collection

tribal wharf
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well it counts towards mount collections

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unlike shop

lusty grotto
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effective immediately, Yogi is banned from talking for lying about not playing TWW

tribal wharf
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i has it

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shame doesnt count for mount collection

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i didnt look but i know

jagged gust
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wait wtf

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theres a lfg chat group again?

tribal wharf
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it was only wod and legion i skipped

lusty grotto
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im getting the receipts

tribal wharf
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i need 30 mounts

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cuz i want this ground mount

lusty grotto
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so

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basically lying the whole time

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tsk tsk

solid sun
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Don’t yogi post clips of him running arakara in this very discord

tribal wharf
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im supposed to have a lvl 80 boost too i think

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maybe thats later