I feel like my counter to that would be if a spec is designed poorly it would receive a rework. Like rogues having interactions with stealth changed
#protection
solid sun
dusky canopy
Imagine you don’t take your apex talent simply to avoid desyncing cooldowns
That to me is bad design
solid sun
Whereas increasing resources isn’t really design philosophy
undone beacon
I feel like my counter to that would be if a spec is designed poorly it would re...
You say that but specs have festered for years in poorly designed states
Bear spent two whole expansions languishing in Thorns of Iron hell
solid sun
I don’t think that really changes the point though. I think that just means blizzard should rework specs more often
undone beacon
Increasing resources fundamentally is design philosophy, when resources dictate the flow and playstyle of the spec
You cannot genuinely tell me that an aura buff and a rage tweak carry the same gameplay implications
solid sun
I think if I designed a spec to function a certain way and biffed on resource generation to support what I designed
And then altered resource production to support what I designed
I didn’t change the design. I just fixed my mistake to support what I designed
undone beacon
Take survival hunter for example. They changed the way focus generation worked multiple times and it changed the entire flow and playstyle of the spec. Thats not a "numbers" change, adjusting resources altered the entire design of play
undone beacon
I think if I designed a spec to function a certain way and biffed on resource ge...
Yeah, you biffed the design of the spec by not making a system cogent with itself
ivory barn
Did Tclap ever get fixed
undone beacon
If you design a pipe system and then bring pipes that are in reality too small, you fucked the design of the system
coarse bay
the amount of "reworks" on classes that end up not helping, like spriest. Rogues have been in a pretty bugged and poor state for awhile and the fix they got is pruning to 2 buttons
blizz just doesnt know what theyre doing with some of the classes
undone beacon
The original question was essentially "would arms be satisfactory if they just tuned it better", the answer was no. Therefore its poorly designed.
That implies fundamental gameplay issues with the spec itself, and rage is a fundamental gameplay mechanic
coarse bay
I agree with bear
unreal yarrow
If by clap being fixed you mean the early beta rend not applying properly, yes.
Also bear is indeed right
dusky canopy
I believe the reality is that the people with the original idea are just not there and now the new people just don’t have a firm grasp on it so they toss in their own flavor and stuff just doesn’t jive
Only speculation of course
ivory barn
If by clap being fixed you mean the early beta rend not applying properly, yes.
I thought there was something else like the thane proc not applying something
unreal yarrow
I'm not familiar with that bug
cerulean tusk
Nah, that checks out
Cook is gone, and the new chefs dont give one guy the role and they all mix in their ideas... Making a mess
Kinda sums it up
undone beacon
I believe the reality is that the people with the original idea are just not the...
That wouldn't shock me. Dev teams change hands and personnel all the time, and design philosophies shift. I'd love to see a full reimagining of arms but I doubt that'll manifest because they're very stuck on the core of it
cerulean tusk
To me it looks like the intern was told that arms cleaves, and took that literally
undone beacon
Cleave spec 
ivory barn
MoP was a great class design 
dusky canopy
For me the thing is I don’t even prefer them to completely overhaul arms just stop fucking with the rage gen and keep ms and execute as the big hitters that’s literally the core fantasy of the spec
Why must they screw with that constantly
undone beacon
It sucks because I like arms more than fury from a feels perspective, fury just feels so weightless despite having two big ol weapons
cerulean tusk
Fury do be flat, this true
undone beacon
If I'm playing a warrior I want powerful meaty swings of my weapon, not flailing around kids toys
dusky canopy
I’m suffering when I have to main fury for prog
toxic pewter
yo this bear ravage ability slaps
dusky canopy
Just give arms some relevancy please blizzard ffs
ivory barn
Give warrior back fat execute 💪
undone beacon
The only saving grace now is that you can mog 1-handers as fury so i can use brass knuckles and flail around like a magikarp
dusky canopy
I shouldn’t doom on fury too hard because admittedly I have some fun with it
It just gets stale and boring to me much quicker than arms does
Well arms never gets stale lol
For me
ivory barn
Can prot mog a 2H + Shield now 😭 😭
coarse bay
Its fine to just say arms is the superior spec
undone beacon
I literally just don't like the way it feels in practice. I feel weak regardless of how much damage im doing
dusky canopy
Flat is boring
solid sun
That’s because you fail to understand what your character is doing
dusky canopy
Preach
solid sun
Fury warriors are so strong everything they do is effortless
undone beacon
And when theres no effort its boring smh
coarse bay
Flat is boring
undone beacon
I want to swing a sword like I MEAN IT
coarse bay
Flat earth
undone beacon
Flat is boring
solid sun
Picking up two giant axes is like picking up a couple pencils for a fury warrior
It’s hard to relate to that much strength
undone beacon
Again I like the fantasy and concept of it, but in practice it feels like I'm flailing around and my weapons have no impact
When you slam a big ol mortal strike
mmmmm
Or even like Shield Slam, I love the meaty thunk of shield slam
cerulean tusk
Hard to give feedback to the player with SFX and dam number ques, when all is happening as multi hit events that doesnt differ
No impact, just constant low number spam, boring
solid sun
Do you like fists of fury
coarse bay
No
cerulean tusk
Blizz also dont know the rule of three, that the brain need at least 3x to notice a difference. Wow is doing 1.2x
undone beacon
Does fists still cancel itself if you move during the channel?
dusky canopy
Idk man when the boss has a big ass dragon fly down and a window of significant damage amp is occurring and you press your badass colossus smash ability and crank fat execute and mortal strikes and numbers are flying and your little brown bar shoots to the top of the damage meter you’re living your moment and are super dopamine spiked
When you play fury you just slap your little noodles and nothing changes
cerulean tusk
When you play fury you just slap your little noodles and nothing changes
Cause nothing did
dusky canopy
Flat is boring
coarse bay
Does fists still cancel itself if you move during the channel?
Idk, havent actually played it since like legion 
undone beacon
I didn't play prot when we had that so I cannot comment
But it feels bad to cancel a channel on a strong ability because you have to kick or move or something
Cancelling a mind flay is whatever tho fuck mind flay
dusky canopy
Ngl demolish actually grew on me a lot
I got fun out of timing it to hit a lot and not take damage
ivory barn
Did they delete all scrolling combat text related add-ons 😭 ?
undone beacon
I do like demolish tbh. It feels impactful and tying some defensiveness to it helps
Maybe I dont hate channels as much as I thought
lean aurora
dusky canopy
Things like fkn boon on the other hand.. yeah that’s horrendous
undone beacon
Okay I hate Fists of Fury less then
Last time I played WW it killed itself on movement and that was stinky
cerulean tusk
I do like demolish tbh. It feels impactful and tying some defensiveness to it he...
Demolish does 0 dam, wdum
solid sun
That is def not a numbers issue
undone beacon
Demolish does 0 dam, wdum
okay sorry demolish FELT impactful 
ivory barn
I played WW for a tier because I saw Max playing it, it's super in-depth until you realize it's just don't press the same button twice
cerulean tusk
I hate when ppl go "this ability does twice the dam of a thing i spam. It do good dam" logic
undone beacon
I actually enjoy the hit combo design of WW, I think its a neat and thematic spin for the spec
upbeat plover
WDP is nice when it does big numba
undone beacon
Give something like this to arms EZ
unkempt hazel
idk how much it changed from df but I enjoyed it a lot back then
undone beacon
Mortal Strike instead of Bloodthirst
ivory barn
Give something like this to arms EZ
Is that a talent?
dusky canopy
They made the Bladestorm WA for monks now!?
undone beacon
https://imgur.com/a/LDVaOfo
I will miss the immersive Bladestorm and SPK WAs
unkempt hazel
ikr
undone beacon
Is that a talent?
Its from a private server lmao
ivory barn
https://imgur.com/a/LDVaOfo
Good ol screen spin WA 🤣
rancid tiger
okay sorry demolish FELT impactful <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
Keep in mind they nerfed it🤣💩
undone beacon
I'm a big Ascension enjoyer even tho they are horrifically slow to deliver on things, but some of the designs they've made for the server are pretty neato imo
cerulean tusk
Give something like this to arms EZ
50% is zzz tho
undone beacon
150%!!!
undone beacon
On it
cerulean tusk
Always crit is under used by blizz btw
undone beacon
This is Ascensions take on Demolish/Arms
cerulean tusk
That is just too much complexity for complexity sake
undone beacon
What if I told you thats one of the simpler designs they offer lmao
glad magnet
Like asking a kindergartner to teach a class at nasa I’m pretty sure blizzard with 20 years of experience developing world of Warcraft knows what they’re doing just wait for the 17th fr fr
cerulean tusk
That it is overcomplcated
undone beacon
I love Ascension but they do a lot
Half the shit doesnt even properly show up in the tooltips on their website
cerulean tusk
Like asking a kindergartner to teach a class at nasa I’m pretty sure blizzard wi...
Ngl, i would put more trust in the community to balance things right. Than the devs
Says a lot
ivory barn
Like asking a kindergartner to teach a class at nasa I’m pretty sure blizzard wi...
Biggest copium lol
cerulean tusk
Copium filled with sarcasm and a dash of hyperbole
ivory barn
I watched destro lock get shit on until the last patch of an expansion, then it didn't matter what they tried BfA S4 chaos bolt cannon existed
ivory barn
Imagine having so much fucking haste that CB was 0.7s cast time BEFORE buffs
undone beacon
Dont wish away your time lil gup
jagged pier
3 more days to herb and mine?
undone beacon
Savor it instead
jagged pier
sounds pog
undone beacon
I'm gonna mine the first piece of Refulgent Copper and sell it on the AH for 5 million gold
toxic pewter
Poor kid wishing time will go faster.. I remember that age.. now I just wish time would slow down
ivory leaf
Any reason not to macro shield charge and shield slam together?
sharp gale
Im gonna farm BoEs and sell it to the goobers who didn’t buy early access
undone beacon
Any reason not to macro shield charge and shield slam together?
They're both on the GCD so that doesnt work at all
undone beacon
Im gonna farm BoEs and sell it to the goobers who didn’t buy early access
is that a thing
sharp gale
Yes for the first 12 hours
toxic pewter
Wher best to place to farm boe
sharp gale
I did it in DF and TWW
solid sun
Thursday after work I’m going to the rodeo cook off
toxic pewter
Oh snap
undone beacon
Thursday the game is gonna be unplayable anyways
sharp gale
Wher best to place to farm boe
Hyperfarm spots, I rush the leveling and check in LFG and do a fly tour to see if I can find one
solid sun
What if instead of early access they said the game was going to launch between x and y dates
And each day only certain accounts were allowed in
toxic pewter
Hyperfarm spots, I rush the leveling and check in LFG and do a fly tour to see i...
Interesting thnx for info I will do this
solid sun
Like the first wave the first day, then on the second day a second wave was added, etc etc until like 5 days pass by
And it was based on how soon you preordered or purchased the game at launch
Am I cooking
sharp gale
I don’t like professions but that’s a thing I do for gold, I take tailor + enchant just for it
I prefer getting gold by bashing mobs
But it is very short term niche, like health potions
undone beacon
Hyperfarm spots, I rush the leveling and check in LFG and do a fly tour to see i...
ngl that sounds miserable but so does endless gathering so, at the end of the day money making in wow is just viciously boring
I guess its better if you sell boosts but im too bad to do that
sharp gale
Yeah it is more of a ritual for me at this point, I only do it for few hours
But somehow ppl buy green boes 25k gold
undone beacon
thats wild
sharp gale
Idk, my suspicion is the early access
Ppl in valdrakken seing items with 100 more ilvl in the AH
Bc I compare with enchants price while I do it, bc at a point I have to switch to disenchanting them
For TWW, expansions release at midnight here, at 6-7 am I was done with leveling and I stopped farming boes at 11am bc prices dropped
undone beacon
Unrelated but I bought Voidtrain the other night on a whim cuz it was half off and the first DLC was free for a limited time
Seems kinda neato
solid sun
Did you see the single player mmorpg simulator
It has “sim players” to join you for dungeons and raids and stuff
sharp gale
Unrelated but I bought Voidtrain the other night on a whim cuz it was half off a...
I played it last month, it was really chill game but I didn’t finish it
ivory barn
But somehow ppl buy green boes 25k gold
The same idiots made me gold out the wazooo in TWW launch
Literally yeet all of it on the ah, wait till 3/17 and it crashes
toxic pewter
new wormhole is random location this xpac
ivory barn
Is there a way to see profession changes
solid sun
I can’t decide what I should do on my Hunter
Skinning and lw for armor
Herb and alch for consumes
Double gathering and just try to make gold
Mining and BS for weapons and to sell ore thingies
Cam help me think goodly daddy
ivory barn
Weapons seem nice, early ingots seem great 🧐
solid sun
I think the downside is if you go weapons to craft a good one for yourself asap you probably can’t do early ingots
ivory barn
Ingots to other crafters, or weapons to make for others
Tbh they both have massive downside
solid sun
I try to be positive so they also both have upside
ivory barn
Some greedy goblin is looking at the amount of gold required 
toxic pewter
alchemy just so good cuz of increase flask length
toxic pewter
and quality of life of engineering just cant be beat
the pair are just too good
for a main at least
coarse bay
Just cant
toxic pewter
for alts can do other stuff
coarse bay
Not for a main
coarse bay
apBear
cerulean tusk
ivory barn
I wonder if giga crafted sword/shield is the play
cerulean tusk
Sadly crafting shield first (and praying you wont see a m track one) is the play
ivory barn
I don't do mythic unless it's from M+
cerulean tusk
Yeah, should make it less likely to happen
That said
I crafted a twohander, I got two twohanders in a row each season
bye bye sparks
ivory barn
I just thought shield for defense since that seems the most logical
cerulean tusk
Yep, shieldrating is the main reason
ivory barn
If they do the stupid dual combo crap, can that effect apply to shields?
cerulean tusk
Not sure what you mean by that
sharp gale
I think he asks if the embellishment boosting the wep embellishment is a thing
cerulean tusk
I am not updated on that, at all. I would ask Nome, but Nome retired
sharp gale
The one we put usually on wrists
sharp gale
I don’t, that’s not an info I really need tbf
ivory barn
I think he asks if the embellishment boosting the wep embellishment is a thing
Yeah, this
cerulean tusk
Same - I barely care about the 0.5% swings as it is
jagged pier
dunno stat ones are usually the best
not ones that go on weps
cause u want max ilvl wep
this is from larias i think
could be the case
cerulean tusk
Wonder if crafted weapons should go to max ilvl, to avoid this issue 
jagged pier
jagged pier
Wonder if crafted weapons should go to max ilvl, to avoid this issue <:monkahmm:...
that just makes any wep drop irelevent
so no
cerulean tusk
Next season I will sandbag, I cba wasting two sparks again
Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice... fool me thrice...
jagged pier
im not even raiding and ill wait as i always do a few weeks before crafting
ivory barn
My thoughts was weapon/shield like I mentioned earlier for defense boost
jagged pier
never send craft straight away
sharp gale
Next season I will sandbag, I cba wasting two sparks again
If the wep embellishment is still the shit for fury, you will
cerulean tusk
Shield will be a safe pick for 90% scenarios, dont worry
cerulean tusk
If the wep embellishment is still the shit for fury, you will
every time they say that, I sim better with a real twohander and two other embis
ivory barn
never send craft straight away
What would you wait on?
cerulean tusk
We wait for things to pan out, gear, balancing and tuning, tweaks and things that could happen
Once in a while blizz decides to change something, and your craft went from HELL YEAH to "What have I done..."
ivory barn
So wait for mythic week tuning is what I'm hearing
cerulean tusk
always, if you dont have a RL breathing down your neck
sharp gale
It depends on what you aim to do, but it’s just, craft when you actually need the craft (at least for me), like I don’t need it to farm hero 3/6 gear the first week
fathom oasis
always, if you dont have a RL breathing down your neck
That's my kink
ivory barn
always, if you dont have a RL breathing down your neck
My RL just normally tells us tanks, "just stay alive" lol
cerulean tusk
Imagine not farming out all hero 3/6, so when you get your 1st mythic track, you wont be ready to instantly go 2/6 mythic track for "free"
ivory barn
Aotc guild at its finest, I just spam the shit outta M+
cerulean tusk
I wouldnt worry then, AotC is doable in normal gear
jagged pier
Ill stick the silver where the sun dont shine
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
Why fatfree milk tho
torn gulch
Wonder if crafted weapons should go to max ilvl, to avoid this issue <:monkahmm:...
never you should have crafted stuff at the same Ilvl at the best gear in the game for obvious reasons
daring marlin
Why fatfree milk tho
NO FAT
daring marlin
I always drink fat free
ivory barn
Gear is probably. Ilvl then just get haste for SB uptime early
daring marlin
FAT IS GOOD AND TASTY
I want more CARBS BRO
torn gulch
Full fat milk or no milk at all I don't want to drink white water
cerulean tusk
EAT YOUR FAT, BRO
daring marlin
EAT YOUR FAT, BRO
NOOOOOOOOO
daring marlin
deserved
sharp gale
Whole milk is the fat milk ? I’m trying to understand what it is in French
ivory barn
As long as +10 stays gear cap I'll be happy
daring marlin
Whole milk is the fat milk ? I’m trying to understand what it is in French <:kek...
yes
daring marlin
ya guys talking like the fat is added
Nobody said that you goofy
cerulean tusk
"the fat milk" implies milk would not be fat
so you define it as "the fat milk"
"fatless milk" implies the opposite
you fatfree milkdrinkers need to get out of here
Dont mess with my milk
Go drink oats or something
glad magnet
Yall gaslit by big dairy drinking gallons of milk as grown ass adults smh my head
bold mirage
Fat free milk is just water pretending to be milk
cerulean tusk
... I am Nordic
sharp gale
yes
Yeah you’re right, whole milk is not good, I use half milk (idk the English word), the one between skimmed and whole
Half skimmed is a thing ?
ivory barn
Dungeons this next season are going to be laughable to the amount of people standing in shit
daring marlin
Yeah you’re right, whole milk is not good, I use half milk (idk the English word...
I like whole milk but 150cals per cup vs 80 for the same protein is a no brainer for me
ivory barn
You say that as if that isnt the reality of things already
In the few +10's I did last week it's like people thought it was a 0 and didn't know mechanics
cerulean tusk
10s on live atm, is like a s3 +3 or 4
15 is closer to a 7
20 feels like a 10
preseason is a mess
ivory barn
So ass will be clapped next season 🤣
cerulean tusk
Nah, u a warrior, u just block the dam
the DPS standing in shit tho?
Mercy be on the unfortunate soul that is stupid
sharp gale
I like whole milk but 150cals per cup vs 80 for the same protein is a no brainer...
It has a red cap in Europe for a reason
cerulean tusk
False, in norway the caps are all white
The false milk sheit, got different colours, like oat,wheet and gluesniff
sharp gale
Norway is not in the EU
ivory barn
Mercy be on the unfortunate soul that is stupid
Oh you died to that? 
🤣
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
The false milk sheit, got different colours, like oat,wheet and gluesniff
oat is baby food
drowsy comet
geart 
cerulean tusk
Oatmilk tho, is what the fuck are you drinking this sheit tier
drowsy comet
i drink normal milk, from a cow
daring marlin
Oats + Milk
Only way to make it
cerulean tusk
They call it horsefood, I say it is delicous
daring marlin
With water is foul
drowsy comet
old ppl food
cerulean tusk
With water is foul
Me when studying
daring marlin
Oats with banana and dark chocolate mmmmm
cerulean tusk
Oats are tasty and fullfilling, how can you complain about em
ivory barn
Bruh AA AND Skyreach are back Crawh is gonna fuck so many groups
daring marlin
AA owns
drowsy comet
imagine wiping
cerulean tusk
fatfree milk drinkers all of em
drowsy comet
fatfree milk drinkers all of em
fatfree milk tastes like water, milk needs atleast a few % of fat
cerulean tusk
Tree boss as BDK, zzz, Tree boss as Warrior 🙏
daring marlin
They should do a season of KR, DoS and.......Shrine of the Storm.
drowsy comet
fr
cerulean tusk
fatfree milk tastes like water, milk needs atleast a few % of fat
I just want to do some test keys for fun, dang it
ivory barn
Is wind runners spire actually new, I feel like that was an old dungeon
cerulean tusk
Old assets, new dungeon
daring marlin
Is wind runners spire actually new, I feel like that was an old dungeon
Never heard of it
ivory barn
Old assets, new dungeon
There's why it felt familiar
drowsy comet
I just want to do some test keys for fun, dang it
do it next season, trust
or hop on the beta
cerulean tusk
Beta is boring af tho
sharp gale
Oh halls of reflection should be a m+ dungeon too
Plaguefall has to be in that season
drowsy comet
yea but
undone beacon
Is wind runners spire actually new, I feel like that was an old dungeon
New dungeon but it was an open world location in the original Ghostlands
drowsy comet
atleast midnight coming in 3 days yk
otherwise its still a dead ass boring wait
friday life makes sens again 🙏🏻
undone beacon
Plaguefall has to be in that season
Plaguefall was neat tho. I want Tol'Dagor and pulling every room through the floor
ivory barn
Oh halls of reflection should be a m+ dungeon too
Make Stratholme OLD dungeon with poison resistance a m+, that will cause suffering
sharp gale
Same with tol dagor cannons, I like the dungeon, not that part
cerulean tusk
Already made three posts on four different accounts
undone beacon
Funky was it you who wrote the like guide to tanking manifesto on the wow subreddit
Reddit
cerulean tusk
I never been on reddit in my life 
ivory barn
"pull till you can't pull anymore, then pull more", tanking 101
cerulean tusk
Did the guy have a:
- Toxicity:
Step 1) Grow up, get a thicker skin and ignore the haters. Sticks and stones might break my bones, but your words can not harm me.
?
jagged gust
the base wow sub is the Mos Eisley of forums
ivory barn
The gif of eye of azshara with the fucking seagulls would be great about now. Fuck those birds
undone beacon
Do not fuck the birds
cerulean tusk
Those seagulls were great, as OF could pull them in from the sky
glad magnet
BG3 and bears not birds.
cerulean tusk
jagged gust
BG3 and bears not birds.
glad magnet
That was an accent the subtitles off by 1 letter.
sharp gale
Cucks?
sharp gale
Are there wrong reasons to like ducks
sharp gale
If you just kill ducks for their bills that’s mean
I really like their liver and their meat tbf
torn gulch
Oh halls of reflection should be a m+ dungeon too
Violet Hold m+
sharp gale
But you have to fight the duck in single combat
Who would lose
It’s not the holy rabbit
cerulean tusk
But you have to fight the duck in single combat
So, nothing special beyond what ya already do?
cerulean tusk
I dunno, how many ppl grew up on a farm nowadays?
torn gulch
i am wondering what will constitute de RWF this coming season?
All the way to the last raid or only the first raid?
sharp gale
https://tenor.com/view/i-like-ducks-halsin-ducks-are-cool-i%27m-a-fan-druid-gif-...
Isn’t he the Druid you free from the Gobelins early in the game, now I remember vaguely
solid sun
I think the RWF will start with the initial raid instance release and continue through the entirety of the expansion until the last boss of the expansion is killed
One race
torn gulch
I expect it to end at L'ura which might make it a 3-4 weeks RWF
sharp gale
I doubt the RWF will be boring, I suspect the second raid to be something
torn gulch
The last raid will have the 2 most difficult bosses this tier according to Blizzard
We'll have to see
Might end up into a Crucible situation
cerulean tusk
sharp gale
Im 10% afraid it dies the first day
torn gulch
L'ura? no chance
solid sun
I think RWF as a concept will flat on its face after the first raid is done
Flat is boring
drowsy comet
i grew up on a farm back in pandaria
farming what back then
cerulean tusk
Flat is boring
drowsy comet
Flat is boring
undone beacon
Flat is boring
drowsy comet
you guys are boring
sharp gale
6-7
solid sun
I’m worried if I play survival I’m going to be mad about the pet stuff
Pet getting stuck on stuff or needing to be dismissed for skips or whatever
Maybe I should play arms
jagged gust
Isn’t he the Druid you free from the Gobelins *early* in the game, now I remembe...
Yeah, Halsin the druid. The druid who is a love interest. The love interest who is capable of shapeshifting. The shapeshifting love interest.
drowsy comet
I’m worried if I play survival I’m going to be mad about the pet stuff
why not play tank
glad magnet
jagged gust
He loves ducks.
drowsy comet
duckity
solid sun
I’m tired of tanking Zwei
jagged gust
And your character is very fond of bears.
undone beacon
Pet getting stuck on stuff or needing to be dismissed for skips or whatever
You’d be surprised how little the hunter pets get stuck these days
Plus, you bring lust which gets you invited
solid sun
I have no interest in doing anything but pressing W and i grow weary of being bullied for not staying up to date with whatever popular routes are developed
sharp gale
Yeah, Halsin the druid. The druid who is a love interest. The love interest who ...
I didn’t do much of the game, he was very forgettable for me tbf
solid sun
You’d be surprised how little the hunter pets get stuck these days
What about dismissing
I can’t ever remember how pet aggro works
jagged gust
True, In a world of 7 foot tall demonic baddies Halsin was way too vanilla to join my party
undone beacon
What about dismissing
Pets have reduced aggro range, even more so when in camo. Sometimes you may have to dismiss for precise or weird skips but it’s like a three second cast and an instant summon
A lot of skips in TWW I just left my pet out lol
solid sun
lol
undone beacon
The biggest issue with surv and pets is you have to stay close to your pet or your mastery gets fucked up
jagged gust
Thats why you macro all your pets abilities into yours innit
sharp gale
True, In a world of 7 foot tall demonic baddies Halsin was way too vanilla to jo...
I had the woman who is with the Gobelins in my party, I don’t remember how, but she was just evil
jagged gust
oh yeah i have yet to do an evil playthrough, all she ever was to me was 80exp
still on honour mode in act 3, havent actually finished the game lol
kinda burnt myself out in the alpha testing
sharp gale
And I think i freed her mind in a tower 30h later, and quit soon after bc the story was just schizophrenic
solid sun
Yeah there’s a thing you can do
I can’t remember exactly what it is but I think it has something to do with kill command
And it forces your pet to stay inside you
solid sun
I do not believe you macro pet attacks to your abilities anymore
ivory barn
I do not believe you macro pet attacks to your abilities anymore
You can still, I have it on my lock
ivory barn
You want that bitch out in the wild pulling stupid, don't macro it 🤣
solid sun
Well my pet isn’t on aggressive
ivory barn
Mine is set to defensive and it still pulls extra
glad magnet
Set to assist
solid sun
Yeah I just asked sv
ivory barn
Warlock melee vs imp was the main issues
solid sun
We only play sv because that’s the only hunter spec
undone beacon
It used to be a thing for surv because of how pets worked especially inside CD windows
ivory barn
Only lock spec is the green marshmallow 
undone beacon
Iirc there was a macro for like /petfollow i used on bloodbound to get my pet to stay with me
I’ll look late
Bosses like those are the only time it matters
sharp gale
We only play sv because that’s the only hunter spec
I used to be a ranged hunter main, so no.
undone beacon
I used to be a ranged hunter main, so no.
sharp gale
I only see envy toward bm
undone beacon
All I see is BM envy towards the best hunter spec
this is the only spear emote I have here damn
solid sun
I think I’m just gonna be so for real
SV isn’t just the best hunter spec
It’s the best spec
glad magnet
All I see is BM envy towards the best hunter spec
BM should be in melee range like SV now.
sharp gale
I discovered this expansion the truth
glad magnet
I like flat
sharp gale
It was discussed earlier that flat is boring
The gameplay surpass the damage profile, the actual tuning, every critic, by a mile
Same with prot
undone beacon
To each their own
sharp gale
Tbf, I actually don’t find any other class as fun as mine 
undone beacon
Unrelated but one day I hope Booty Bay gets the Silvermoon treatment
I want Booty Bay to be a big ass sick as hell city
undone beacon
No you goober rebuilt with twice the scale
solid sun
;)
sharp gale
I hope one day my home city will no longer be a nuclear wasteland
glad magnet
We need a cataclysm 2 that turns the entire world and islands into a big Pangea
coarse bay
Remember undercity and iron forge?
And every city that isnt dalaran every other expac
solid sun
Remember the space ship
undone beacon
Thank god dalaran is dead
sharp gale
Remember undercity and iron forge?
Undercity is a chemical junkyard since bfa no ?
undone beacon
Undercity is a chemical junkyard since bfa no ?
They de-blighted it in SL
So now it’s just a normal junkyard
sharp gale
WHEN GNOMES WILL RETURN to their land
solid sun
Wait now I can’t remember
Is the Draenei spaceship still in their starter zone or did we fly it to Argus
sharp gale
I think it is 2 different ships
toxic pewter
exodar still there but they are building a new technologically advanced city
wanton tree
Exodar is in the starter Zone
On Argus it was the Vindicaar iirc
undone beacon
Is the Draenei spaceship still in their starter zone or did we fly it to Argus
Two diff ships, the exodar hasn’t moved canonically
toxic pewter
Draenei will be getting a new city prob after last titan
undone beacon
And I think the Vindicaar is floating in plot limbo above Azeroth somewhere
I hope it gets blown up
I’m lowkey surprised they’re not flying it into the voidspire
lusty grotto
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1r7eqc4/so_you_want_to_learn_how_to_tank/
im pleasantly surprised a reddit post mentioned Shield Block and not IP
solid sun
Azeroth doesn’t have air traffic controllers. They should have had Dalaran and the spaceship run into each other
sharp gale
Fukushima happened and got cleaned while Gnomeregan is still full of radiation as in vanilla
upbeat plover
I want Booty Bay to be a big ass sick as hell city
Surely this is punny
undone beacon
Surely this is punny
undone beacon
Fukushima happened and got cleaned while Gnomeregan is still full of radiation a...
They kinda took back parts of it in cata but
Just go hang out in Mechagon you little gnome deviant
toxic pewter
lol
upbeat plover
I too am waiting for them to rework booty bay to just a big booty, with a bay
solid sun
Leland and I just tag teamed you, daddy
upbeat plover
uwu or something
sharp gale
Don’t defend those who reject our curse
solid sun
Petition for Leland to become Daddy Leland
lusty grotto
solid sun
solid sun
:(
upbeat plover
Petition for Leland to become Daddy Leland
solid sun
It’s not weird. We are replacing dude with daddy
Just close your eyes and let it happen
solid sun
Are y’all going to be hitting lfr
I usually tell myself not to do lfr even at the beginning of a new season because it’s so boring but I’m a little curious how many of you do it to try to score tier
glad magnet
Not just hitting I’m logging LFR that’s the real endgame
lusty grotto
you always do LFR the first week for free tier
sharp gale
Yes, and it takes 15 min
lusty grotto
just gotta pray you dont get put in with a whole guild, cause then you're fucked
undone beacon
At that point take deserter and wait it out lmao
cerulean tusk
seems like the changes removed some binds, after I removed tombstone, bonestorm, runetap, so on and on, that got pruned
that is a lot of air
mighty valley
good
cerulean tusk
Fbm
solid sun
Now you can see the floor easier
cerulean tusk
This bar is hidden in combat tho
combat UI activates, and the out of combat stuff disapear
coarse bay
My bdk’s essential cd section of cdm is 4 buttons
glad magnet
Pretty good prot UI
cerulean tusk
My bdk’s essential cd section of cdm is 4 buttons
I am going to remove HS, MR from it - I do like having DND and BB tho, as they proc a lot and its a neat place to see em
cerulean tusk
I only play vampire
solid sun
Your dnd gonna asplode
coarse bay
Not in the essential section, but i think ill have to
cerulean tusk
It is the only things that matter to keep an eye on, so I see no reason why not
coarse bay
I usually like my defensives in a different spot is why
cerulean tusk
Understandable, this UI tho is just hard to place things where ya want em
glad magnet
Action bars are bis
coarse bay
I think a combination would be needed
cerulean tusk
who needs demolish
coarse bay
At least buff tracking
sharp gale
Yeah I’ve thought about foregoing the cdm
You can do both, you can use action bars with 1 or 2 spells and move it somewhere in the middle, there is like 10 actions bars ? You can waste some on little stuff
drowsy comet
who needs demolish
Not bad
cerulean tusk
actual uncapped AoE dam, beat softcapped nerfed sheit
drowsy comet
damn
mighty valley
i don't even press a button or swing my weapon when desecrate deals damage
boooooooring
ivory barn
Make ALL tank AE buttons uncapped AE
strong forum
Or get this
Every spec plays by itself
And we just watch
Full on tiktok gaming
Finally the "casual majority" will get their moneys worth
ivory barn
Every spec plays by itself
Just have a weakaura.... Oh wait nvm
strong forum
They pay the same sub so they get the same results
sharp gale
Vibe gaming
strong forum
Perfect, finally classic wow
strong forum
Increase level up time to 150hrs
Reduce rotation to 1 button for ST, 1 button for aoe
cerulean tusk
why have a level cap, cookieclickers go infinite
strong forum
tribal wharf
i still think
strong forum
My condolences
sharp gale
why have a level cap, cookieclickers go infinite
Can we have the cookie clicker grandmas
tribal wharf
that wow should be f2p up to 10 or 20 levels below current cap
and then you can farm allll the old world transmogs and such
dusky canopy
My condolences
LOL I see what you did
tribal wharf
i saw what he did too
cerulean tusk
i would want it to be 40, or 60
sharp gale
u can play up to lvl 20
But what can you do lvl 20, bc every expansions scale to your lvl, can ppl play every expansion without a sub ?
tribal wharf
but you cant do anything truly meaningful in it.......
glad magnet
I don’t get your goal
cerulean tusk
He wants to play for free, I think
tribal wharf
well thats what im saying right, is say the game level cap is 60
you can play up to lvl 50
and fart around
strong forum
LOL I see what you did
😎
cerulean tusk
why tho
glad magnet
You can do that at 20
tribal wharf
i picked up some shoulders i already have the same model of but these ones are GREEN instead of BLUE........... oh wow.............
im breaking the game playing for free collecting, green shoulders
dusky canopy
You can play for free just make enough gold to fund it
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
Funky discovered gifs today oh wow 
glad magnet
Rookie numbers
tribal wharf
cuz i love GOOOOLLLLDDDDD
sharp gale
You can play for free just make enough gold to fund it
And you don’t have to buy the expansion, you can wait 5 years and play the classic version with only a sub !!!
cerulean tusk
Funky discovered gifs today oh wow <:feelycraft:1467644639598346371>
I always use gifs, wdum
drowsy comet
I always use gifs, wdum
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
lowkey you remind me of a grandpa who js discovered facebook and just spams gifs, oh lord I go to hell
tribal wharf
God damn bats! (these are the higher tiered versions that have more hp and throw fireballs
i will never forget having to do this shit
250 fuckin bats, throwing fireballs
drowsy comet
I am just suprised this is the day you react to it
i usually dont notice or dont care abt it. I just noticed it today
drowsy comet
https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288
(same anime btw)
cerulean tusk
i usually dont notice or dont care abt it. I just noticed it today
wut
ur link is bad
drowsy comet
LMAO
cerulean tusk
it aint called fuck nim
lusty grotto
the fuck
drowsy comet
Wait wat
tribal wharf
all my memes come in .jpg format so get fucked
tribal wharf
no yogi meme for skyhold
drowsy comet
yay random gif spam
cerulean tusk
yay random gif spam
undone beacon
yay random gif spam
drowsy comet
no yogi meme for skyhold
cerulean tusk
what annoys me, is that if I dont want facebook gifs
I got to go out of my way to open tenor
cause giphy is the worst
fathom oasis
I am just suprised this is the day you react to it
tribal wharf
if i have to look up only memes i go to ebaumsworld first
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
what annoys me, is that if I dont want facebook gifs
im too lazy for that
cerulean tusk
sharp gale
Is that Snapchat
drowsy comet
but its pmo so hard discord uses giphy now. Tenor was goated
tribal wharf
and, TBH, since day 1 of discord, i have had 'auto play (media)" turned to off
undone beacon
https://giphy.com/gifs/donnathomas-rodgers-monday-3s6E92VkA6o6OBXj1M
okay but shit like this is so funny
undone beacon
tribal wharf
i just always always turn them off cuz its annoying
cerulean tusk
undone beacon
sharp gale
Wtf
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/what-the-dog-dog-loading-dog-confuse-corgi-wide-corgi-gif-5677220482674247561
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
Jakey is about to mute us all
cerulean tusk
Jakey wouldnt, he love FB gifs
solid sun
I’m tryna have real conversations here and a bunch of grandpas are memeing
drowsy comet
Jakey wouldnt, he love FB gifs
he prolly uses fb himself
drowsy comet
I’m tryna have real conversations here and a bunch of grandpas are memeing
And another grandpa joins it
sharp gale
Anyways, I came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
cerulean tusk
Anyways, I came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
sharp gale
3 days before midnight
lusty grotto
undone beacon
this is great
drowsy comet
Nooo not the pig
drowsy comet
wtf is that
undone beacon
drowsy comet
NAHHH
cerulean tusk
please watch this promo
drowsy comet
A mobile OW game?
cerulean tusk
it is great
drowsy comet
drowsy comet
cerulean tusk
it aint, but this scripted promo is 10/10
sharp gale
cerulean tusk
you can feel them working for that paycheck
drowsy comet
you can feel them working for that paycheck
you can feel them having no ideas about what to do with OW
mighty valley
diablo immortal got tens of millions of players lol
sharp gale
you can feel them having no ideas about what to do with OW
They perfectly know what to do, milk until you can’t
drowsy comet
diablo immortal got tens of millions of players lol
Yea because 98% are from Asia
undone beacon
i typed overwatch into the tenor gif thing and its all so thirsty
mighty valley
Yea because 98% are from Asia
what does that matter
tribal wharf
tribal wharf
and like, yeah, i do consume doom content in 1 fashion or another on a near daily basis
solid sun
Overwatch should do a crossover with nerf
sharp gale
And Fortnite
drowsy comet
And Fortnite
Lemme hold your hands while saying it..
undone beacon
drowsy comet
does it say bitch or am I trippin
dusky canopy
Two syllable mouth movements
mighty valley
it looks like bitt
sharp gale
drowsy comet
undone beacon
solid sun
tribal wharf
if i create a house in wow
you damn right know its something doom related probably
100%
i'll make my house the bfg 9000
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
ivory barn
Do we think warrior is going to use the rage heals you (indomitable) talent in midnight early?
toxic pewter
perhaps
ivory barn
I almost wanted to try it for an m+
toxic pewter
it is good for a defensive talent build
tribal wharf
dead unless they decide to tweak it on the dates they said they might
3/17 is one of those, dont know rest
ivory barn
ivory barn
Execute is Patrick 🤣
lusty grotto
Question, do you have to take Alex talents?
youre not forced to no
you can pick the first one, which is what we suspect we will do but sims are sitll pending
mighty valley
some specs might fall through the cracks but i imagine they'll tune until basically everyone is taking them
lusty grotto
(bear picks 3 out of 4 because the 4th one is bugged)
lament osprey
youre not forced to no
ivory barn
The 10 extra is the 3 up top and the 7 at the bottom technically?
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> are we going tonight? my brother still needs the cheev
I am down if others are I stil lneed it also
undone beacon
It was like close to 10pm EST lol
undone beacon
Yeah we started around 10 EST
autumn roost
this is from larias i think
one thing I'll add @cerulean tusk @sharp gale is that there is a shield off the very first boss
Not sure if you touched on that later
lusty grotto
yeah
imperator and belo'ren both have shields
they are the only shields
which is good, for gearing purposes
can probably skip crafting if those are easy
sharp gale
Not sure if you touched on that later
not really, i don't usually talk about myth raid loot unless i know if he will
sharp gale
but yes it is good addition, it's literally the first boss ? or it's the solo boss ?
lusty grotto
the solo boss does not have shields
sharp gale
bc it will surely be puggable fast the first one, so it will not be that hard to convince m+ ppl to try it
lusty grotto
voidspire 1st boss = imperator
march 1st boss (3rd raid, which is later) = belo'ren
those are the only 2
with shields in all 3 raids
sharp gale
okok, i haven't look the raid at all idk the names yet
lusty grotto
Imperator Averzian is his full name i guess
undone beacon
give Imperator Averzian some damn respect
ivory barn
imperator and belo'ren both have shields
Are they stat sticks,"just grab shield" or is that a slot that is just grab ilvl for block rating
lusty grotto
ilvl > all
because of the last thing you mentioned
neithe raids have haste shields so
ivory barn
Makes sense, I have a hard time letting go of something if it's not got haste on the new upgrade
lusty grotto
no need to optimize stats between myth tracks
i havent looked at the dungeon loot, but getting a myth shield from keys is RNG so that's kind of out of the question
lusty grotto
Makes sense, I have a hard time letting go of something if it's not got haste on...
you shouldnt
we've ilvl > all on shield forever
there hasnt been a single case where we go for stats over ilvl + block
lusty grotto
not even for Gally's shield
you can get SB uptime with HR
and in raid, you can just wait on recharges while not tanking
with ITF
toxic pewter
im down do it anytime
ivory barn
True, shield charge, and 2 SB charges should be plenty per tank swap
sharp gale
since y'all talked about crafting
And on that, idk how to explain it personally bc I take the decision myself with my guild prog speed, the craft while there is the loot on the early bosses
ivory barn
When I did mythic they based the early craft on the 2nd vault
ivory barn
Ahh
lusty grotto
its gonna be the same advice we give out when there's a 1st boss with a shield
if youre gonna get it, then dont craft
if youre not gonna touch myth, then craft
sharp gale
Yeah I don’t try to explain something I have a hard time explaining, but hopefully I’m not alone
lusty grotto
if you do myth and its being reserved for healers or for another tank, then craft
ivory barn
if youre not gonna touch myth, then craft
Will m+ have mythic track still?
lusty grotto
yes
ivory barn
Might go that route. ☠️
coarse bay
Ya there’s no going m+ route for gear
drowsy comet
its always a 50-50 chance. You either get it, or you dont
ivory barn
Crafting is only heroic ilvl?
lusty grotto
no dude
coarse bay
It’s 3 ilvls below cap
lusty grotto
did you not play DF or TWW?
ivory barn
did you not play DF or TWW?
I played little of both, came back 2 weeks ago
Stopped S1 on raszgeth
slender bison
Don't craft shield first in S1 due to haste nerf. You can live with any shield. Craft 1h weapon, else you lose threat in week 3-4 when DPSs come online with 2Hs
slender bison
You do you
lusty grotto
if you do not have access to Myth raiding
and/or if you do not have a guaranteed shield from the first boss
undone beacon
Come out of the woodwork just to give Nim an aneurysm
tribal wharf
legendary shield when
coarse bay
Spreading misinformation and saying you do you in defense
lusty grotto
Don't craft shield first in S1 due to haste nerf. You can live with any shield. ...
NONE of the raid shields have haste, so that statement makes absolutely no sense
sharp gale
finally we talk about wow loot again
slender bison
It's not misinformation, we're not a news outlet. Chill out
coarse bay
What on earth would stat squish mean with shield lol
lusty grotto
youre not gonna use a hero track shield over a crafted one
at least not if youre playing optimally
which is what we recommend here
ivory barn
Haste crit or haste mastery on that shield
sharp gale
Say it nim
lusty grotto
we've historically gone haste crit
or haste + whatever sims highest
which in 99% of the cases is... crit
daring marlin
we've historically gone haste crit
daring marlin
hold up
sharp gale
I’
mighty valley
if i pick the wrong stats for my low-secondary-budget shield item... i'm not gonna be invited to any birthday parties ever again...
daring marlin
They changed prot warrior t4 in bc classic?
undone beacon
I'm doing full mast/vers
daring marlin
That's not classic
daring marlin
game sucks
ivory barn
which in 99% of the cases is... crit
This makes sense, I get torn to with either stat
ivory barn
Yeah, because guild starts laughing that I can't hold threat
lusty grotto
and then we laugh at versa andies
ivory barn
Oh vers is a laughing stat
lusty grotto
brother that's not a thing mastery will fix
solid sun
Look @lusty grotto they dug the beams and covered it in plastic and put the tension cables in. Now I’m verifying they didn’t fuck up any of my plumbing before the concrete trucks come
lusty grotto
Look <@131897531251556352> they dug the beams and covered it in plastic and put ...
this looks tidy af