protection

[daring marlin]

Judge turning into HoW is weird af to me

like why

[undone beacon]

huh

[toxic pewter]

i tried my bear the other day and i can say it was fun really liked it

[undone beacon]

Bear feels great right now

Like genuinely really fun, even disregarding its busted damage

[jagged pier]

bear also simming 100k right now

[chilly brook]

imo good change, HoW didn't feel good to press

[daring marlin]

bear stonks big? like early cata dam big?

[undone beacon]

The fact that you dont just dump all your rage into ironfur is massive

[lament osprey]

I hope bear gets put into the dirt

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hamster-hammy-poki-cK3RF0ufQXi6WbO2IV

[undone beacon]

Its the best druid dps spec rn

No way it makes to to season like that

[daring marlin]

felt pretty good in DF S2 with 4pc before I quit last time

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

i mean its tuning but they havent fixed any of the bugs and it has broken apex talents (all these are accounted for in sims) so all those are fixed, they will do more

[lusty grotto]

this shit took me a minute to get used to also i was like HUH

[undone beacon]

They've fixed a lot of the bugs, but some major ones still exist for sure like apex talent being a dps loss to take

[daring marlin]

I had something weird on my bar that wasn't HoW and I was like ???

lol

Bear cool

[chilly brook]

is judgement stacking something new btw?

or has that been there?

[daring marlin]

It's definitely new to me lol

[chilly brook]

like good change tbh

[daring marlin]

Wasn't there in DF

I agree.

Judgement hits like a wet noodle it seems tho

[chilly brook]

if only holy paladin can get back to hitting judgement lol

[daring marlin]

Why'd they take kicks away from healers?

Did they actually reduce casters in dungeons at least?

[chilly brook]

yeah they did

and I actually agree with JB for once, any healer complaining about not having kick just has stockholme syndrome

[toxic pewter]

I was on bear and found their rage generation seemed a lot stronger than prot warr i dunno how to explain it

was getting like big chunks of rage

[lusty grotto]

yes, significantly

[chilly brook]

M+ is actually looking super good this season

[jagged pier]

5tanks might be back on the table

[toxic pewter]

im just excited to like see dungeons that arent underground and stuff for a bit

[daring marlin]

Bro is sick of spelunking

[toxic pewter]

yeah i kinda am lmao

[chilly brook]

also gotta say Liadrin cinematic was dope as f

[undone beacon]

too bad, harandar time

[chilly brook]

like actually good shit narratively

[toxic pewter]

oh right lmao oof

[undone beacon]

alonsus faol representation, i was happy for that alone

[toxic pewter]

forgot about harandar and void zone is dark as hell...

[chilly brook]

it was actually dark and warcrafty again

[toxic pewter]

yah that liadrin animatic owned hard

[undone beacon]

yeah they did a good job

[chilly brook]

the end monologue was kinda cringe a bit but the whole thing was like 95% what we need

[undone beacon]

I'm a little annoyed about them doing three cinematics in three wildly different styles though, idk I'd like to see more of one style

[toxic pewter]

I actually liked seeing more about her backstory with her dad added some solid depth

[chilly brook]

true

castlevania style was gud tho works well with the universe imo

[undone beacon]

If they did more in the Liadrin style I'd be happy, or more of the animatic style cinematics. The Salhadaar/Xalatath one was good

[toxic pewter]

the castlevania style animation is great

[undone beacon]

They've done those animatic style ones since WoD, though much less of them in DF/TWW

[mighty valley]

i had a lot of gripes with the liadrin cinematic but the bar is low LOL

better than the alleria one from last time

[undone beacon]

do tell your gripes

[mighty valley]

her dad had zero character, just a classic warcraft guy saying warcraft slogans

the light is good and nice and we like it

very interesting, my man

[jagged pier]

knight show was good

[undone beacon]

Sounds like a stinky high elf to me

[mighty valley]

the scarlet guys showing up in the middle were such an "oh shit oh fuck we need some action in here" moment

[chilly brook]

adoptive dad*

[mighty valley]

mainly the ending was wishy-washy, just being like "uhhhhh and then i saw the sunwell being fixed and that gave me the direction in life i'd been missing"

felt weirdly disconnected from everything else

[chilly brook]

yeah the ending was the weakest part

[mighty valley]

also this is personal pet peeve but it never feels natural to me when they start talking about the traits of the world of warcraft classes in story pieces like this lol

but the violence with the scourge was sick

so i can forgive some of my writing annoyances

[chilly brook]

knight of the seven kingdoms?

[toxic pewter]

Great show

[chilly brook]

I'm like 2 episodes behind the final one

been enjoying it

[lusty grotto]

its very good

[toxic pewter]

Kind of reminds me of my own story

[lusty grotto]

better than hotd, i know hotd has some haters but i also enjoy it

but knight of the seven kingdom is just better in every way

[chilly brook]

hotd just had a lot of decisions that made no sense to me

like why 2 actresses for the same character

[lusty grotto]

there was a lot of things they had to put in considering the material is... very short and lacking of detail

[toxic pewter]

George rr Martin basically was kicked out of any cooperation on house of the dragon

[chilly brook]

it's not the most difficult thing to age an actress using makeup and effects

[toxic pewter]

They ousted him and changed his story

[lusty grotto]

they are both good actresses so im not complaining

[lusty grotto]

nah dawg

[toxic pewter]

In season 2 they did

Huge fight behind the scenes

[lusty grotto]

yes, but thats not the why

saposhnik and hotd's creator didnt get along

[jagged pier]

ye

[chilly brook]

Last episode I watched was the trial of 7 one

[lusty grotto]

georgie sided with hotd's creator

[chilly brook]

fucking awesome fight scenes

[jagged pier]

new and final one was out today

[toxic pewter]

Interesting I will read more about all this

[lusty grotto]

then hotd creator kind of ghosted him cause georgie kept butting into it with details, ON A SHORT STORY THAT HAS NO DETAILS

[chilly brook]

ye I'm watching with friends and one isn't back until Wednesday

so I be waitin

[lusty grotto]

its a very grey fight

because saposhnik was also probably the best director in GoT

and he went to do altered carbon and other stuff

[jagged pier]

unfortunatly it is a GRR martin short story there are a lot of details and lines which they actually hit

[lusty grotto]

yes

absolutely

[jagged pier]

and got the tone right

[lusty grotto]

and those havent been screwed

[jagged pier]

nice good shift of tone

[lusty grotto]

if they nail the gullet they will be good to go

and the duel between 2 characters which i wont spoil

[jagged pier]

from teaser they might

[lusty grotto]

anyway this next season is the last, it should wrap everything up

[jagged pier]

but i dont like it when showrunners go away from the writing

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk we will see

[mighty valley]

i'm just mad that they took the most fun character to watch (daemon) and stuck him in a vision quest for all of s2

[jagged pier]

which well we have seen a bit last season and saw at the end of GoTs because they ran out opf books to reference

[mighty valley]

love watching that awful freak be terrible

[jagged pier]

i let matt smith get away with far more than he should because i like him

[mighty valley]

same

[lusty grotto]

well i mean daemon has big scenes next season

[mighty valley]

good good

[daring marlin]

TIME TO BINGE FOR ME

Daemon goated

[daring marlin]

based

[jagged pier]

same with tenant tbh, him as kilmonger

[lusty grotto]

kilmonger was michael b jordan

[jagged pier]

was kill somthing no?

[lusty grotto]

kilgrave hehe

[jagged pier]

i get lost in all the marvel stuff tbh

yer that one

close enough

[glad magnet]

Had to make sure the goat was occupied so they could girl boss

[lusty grotto]

i mean

thats what the og story is about it has nothing to do with girl bossing

[glad magnet]

Fair. I guess it always just feels too disjointed cause they cut back and forward so much. Just let me binge his decent into madness instead of jumping back to him every couple minutes.

[lusty grotto]

they needed Daemon in cause hes well liked

but he did jack shit in the story during that time

except occupy harrenhal etc

[glad magnet]

Daemon went from a goat to an IP tracker and it was hard to watch

[lusty grotto]

idk it was fun having him trip balls

he will have more to do in this next one

trust

[mighty valley]

some of it was fun, he got some good unhinged time, but it all felt like a lotta screen time for no movement

just to be all fucking Normal next time he saw rhaenyra

[glad magnet]

Was definitely like walking on a treadmill

[lusty grotto]

thats what the anime weirdos call a... checks notes... filler arc

👀

[glad magnet]

DBZ Kai is superior

[humble rose]

Reclearing Mythic, and Warrior feels like a WALL whilst my Paladin feels like a wet piece of paper - Am I playing it wrong, or is Warrior just so smooth?

[glad magnet]

Prot tanky

[lusty grotto]

thats how its always been

[humble rose]

It's always been disgustingly smooth compared to Paladin? Sorry, I'm a long time DPS

[lusty grotto]

prot pally has never been anything but a glass tank

dependent on cd management

[grizzled nova]

Dragonflight s1 when sentinel was god tier and had like 60% uptime they were pretty solid

[humble rose]

That Ardent Defender just felt so bad to press, and SW and SR feel enough to deal with anything

[lusty grotto]

different strokes for different folk

prot war did get considerably tankier due to a lot of additions

[humble rose]

I have found a comfortable stroke

[glad magnet]

Playing paladin always feels bad war is the goat but I just don’t wanna take damage

[lusty grotto]

including but not limited to Stance Mastery

[daring marlin]

best part of HotD

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dragon-viserys-targaryen-paddy-considine-gif-27000952

[humble rose]

Have changed sides, from Pink to Brown

[coarse bay]

Ardent’s main thing is that it’s almost impossible to die through it from a single buster

[jagged pier]

[daring marlin]

Paddy was so good

[lusty grotto]

just keep SB up and never turn away from mobs

prot pally gains armor from SotR so they can tank 360 (same with IF) but not us - we're block dependant first and foremost and parry after which only work from the front

and no need to stand in garbage consecration

[ionic fern]

Welcome to the good side.

[toxic pewter]

new arator animation https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-arator-animated-short-son-of-two-worlds-world-of-warcraft-midnight-380491

[lusty grotto]

i still dont understand why its dragons

but the training animation was cool

[dusky canopy]

Because dragon dz

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/laughing-duck-3

[dusky canopy]

[undone beacon]

Why do they even put xmog and AHs in the new cities at this rate

[warm plinth]

Because there's no worse feeling than trying to use someone else's AH or mog mount and they wander off or log out

[tribal wharf]

frogs

[solid sun]

Everytime I’m doing my fit an the person rides off into the sunset I feel like Kevin McAllister

[warm plinth]

lol what, why?

[solid sun]

Because I got left behind

[warm plinth]

oh lol

[solid sun]

Everyone packed up and left

[mighty valley]

he's two things... he's both dark and light... he's both mom and dad...

[lusty grotto]

are dragons 2 things

[solid sun]

Schrodinger’s Dragon

[mighty valley]

he played Double Dragon in the arcade and got an idea

[lusty grotto]

i almost did lead up to that

almost

[warm plinth]

No u

[mighty valley]

this is what you'd draw if you wanted to make fun of wow shoulders

[lusty grotto]

especially blood elf shoulders

[solid sun]

Is that Liadrin

[lusty grotto]

where they are completely inverse of that

[toxic pewter]

Wait the tattoos are dragons?

What in the world?

[lusty grotto]

brother he calls them dragon in the thing

[toxic pewter]

That dumb as hell

[lusty grotto]

well, dragons

[toxic pewter]

Dude needs to go back to drsgonlands

[solid sun]

Inside every dragon is two dragons

[lusty grotto]

he never had any notable interaction with dragons to begin with

[solid sun]

A good dragon and a bad dragon

[toxic pewter]

I heard dragon just thought it was a voice over error

Or some nonsense

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

I think harrow always laughs at my sweet jokes and that’s why he doesn’t comment often

[toxic pewter]

Last thing this whacked out storyline in this saga needs is dragons to be honest

[solid sun]

Too busy laughing

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with dragons

[mighty valley]

i was pondering whether or not the joke was made with intent and it appears it was

bravo

[solid sun]

Thanks

[toxic pewter]

Just awful storyline last thing it needs is random dragons out of nowhere is my point

It’s already so bad

[mighty valley]

it's just his sick tats

[lusty grotto]

well im personally gonna riot if kalec isnt around for the sunwell

[mighty valley]

the symbolism is weak as fuck but

it's not like he's a Dragon Guy now

[toxic pewter]

He is in my head

Now

[mighty valley]

oh

[toxic pewter]

No clue where this came from

Just awful

[solid sun]

APB calm down

[lusty grotto]

im guessing it has to do with the visage thing, but they just dont explain it

[mighty valley]

when you see a guy in the yakuza video games with dragon tats, do you think "great, the last thing this story needs is some dragons to show up"

[solid sun]

No

You get excited

[lean aurora]

I died.

[solid sun]

Because dragons are precisely what it needed

[toxic pewter]

Awful

[solid sun]

:)

[mighty valley]

oh good, they officially said there's no more tuning til season launch

[toxic pewter]

Oof

Many specs are in shambles right now

Lazy

[lusty grotto]

i guess we will have to wait until heroic week to get some love

[mighty valley]

are they too bad to level and do heroic dungeons

are they too bad to compete in irrelevant content

[warm plinth]

Good, guardian druid stonks rising amirite

[lusty grotto]

idk where this specs are in shambles thing is coming from tbh

[mighty valley]

apb

[toxic pewter]

The main issue is the lack of changes has on the community wide perception

[solid sun]

I think some communities are hyperbolic

[lusty grotto]

idk its weird

what specific spec is in shambles?

besides arms

[toxic pewter]

?

[solid sun]

Bdk

Arms

Me

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr

[lusty grotto]

ok i guess thats two

how are we in shambles apb

[toxic pewter]

Wat u mean

[lusty grotto]

why would you say that we're in shambles?

[toxic pewter]

Have u tanked a key

Lately

[lusty grotto]

yes

[toxic pewter]

Exactly

[urban bane]

[lusty grotto]

just yesterday

[toxic pewter]

Then you know what I mean

[lusty grotto]

i dont

[urban bane]

bearge 🐻

[undone beacon]

Wait where did they say that

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea why you would say we're in shambles lol

thats why im asking

[toxic pewter]

Just feels bad

[mighty valley]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-class-tuning-planned-until-march-17th-what-to-expect-for-class-tuning-in-380495?utm_source=discord-webhook

[sinful copper]

Why would nim ask what you're talking about if they know

[undone beacon]

Bear sims higher than half the dps specs lmao

[coarse bay]

Wait why would warrior be in shambles or feel bad

[lusty grotto]

idk it feels just about the same to me

[toxic pewter]

Wat u mean

[undone beacon]

Nothing planned until the season, there’s hope

[sinful copper]

Are u rage baiting or what

[toxic pewter]

Many within the community agree with me

No not at all

[neon elk]

Isnt feral also kinda bad rn? Not gameplaywise but just pure numbers

[toxic pewter]

We at a very low point

Perhaps lowest in a while

[coarse bay]

Pwar feels fine to me

[lusty grotto]

youre being extremely hyperbolic

we need a damage bump, thats it

nothing that cant be obtained in the following weeks

after the exp launches

[sinful copper]

Aren't tanks expecting a dmg nerf?

[lusty grotto]

turns out tuning numbers is quite easy

[solid sun]

Well tbf

[chrome dock]

creating interesting apex talents on the other hand, apparently not that easy

[solid sun]

I could see people saying they’re in shambles if they’re dps specs simming lower than bear

[undone beacon]

Some for sure. Bear doing more damage than a fair few dps specs is wild

[sinful copper]

Just reroll bear. Ez fix

[undone beacon]

The tuning pass on the 17th is gonna be crazy

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t say it

[sinful copper]

Pash teach me

[solid sun]

But I could see people saying it

[warm plinth]

You're not wrong lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean i dont know whats so bad about SS aoeing, we loved it in S2 DF

it needs to be buffed but i think its fine

[undone beacon]

Hit Thrash. Hit Mangle. Hit Raze/Ravage when you have 60+ rage. Deal infinite damage

Win

[sinful copper]

Damn that easy?

[undone beacon]

That easy

[sinful copper]

K rerolling now

[mighty valley]

why was everyone expecting gameplay complexity out of apex talents in the "we're reducing complexity" expansion

[solid sun]

You forgot ironfur

[lusty grotto]

what spec has gamechanging apex talents?

[undone beacon]

Beta keys are being done with like 20% ironfur uptime

[lean aurora]

Do the other warrior specs have a great apex talent? Or did all warriors get a "meh"?

[undone beacon]

Its a meme

[sinful copper]

I'm a beta key

[undone beacon]

[warm plinth]

Doesn't have to be complex to be interesting

[chrome dock]

some are interesting imho, but a lot are fairly meh acrossed the board if we're being honest

which is fine for what it is

[undone beacon]

Bear is gamechanging because you dont take the 4th point so you get more from your spec tree

[neon elk]

Do u count prio order as game changing ? If so there are few

[mighty valley]

shield slam aoeing adds a little low complexity aiming gameplay, helps with one of the things we're weakest at. just needs to be stronger

[lusty grotto]

no i count at people being impressed by it

[sinful copper]

What keys are people doing on live? +28?

[lusty grotto]

it also rewards proper gameplay aka hitting SS to gain rage

[mighty valley]

wish they hadn't made it trigger off TC but OH WELL

[lusty grotto]

well unfortunately we need to TC as colossus as well so

you need rage somehow

[undone beacon]

Spriest one sounds so neat but in execution its only like a 3% gain when all is said and done

[sinful copper]

Oooh we Colossus players again in midnight?

[lusty grotto]

no

[mighty valley]

i just wish you could use ss as your first gcd on a pack and get the shockwave

[sinful copper]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

its TBD

[lean aurora]

Pres Evoker apex talent is 1/2 the gameplay. At least.

[lusty grotto]

im just stating the one case where in the past we wouldnt press TC unless very specific conditions

[solid sun]

I think everyone needs a pizza party

[lusty grotto]

also with the loss of Troar

colossus WILL NEED TO TC to gather

alternatively just aim revenges really well, lul

that is non negotiable

[solid sun]

What’s survival’s apex

Somehow it isn’t boomstick

[undone beacon]

Every other raptor strike is a raptor swipe

[solid sun]

Oh yeah

Are we taking the last point

[undone beacon]

Absolutely

Its kinda trash without it

[solid sun]

I feel like at some point we weren’t

Or maybe someone was just yapping

[undone beacon]

Sounds like yap, 4th point makes the apex considerably better

[neon elk]

People hating on wars apex and then there are guardian where people didnt even play it on beta cuz it was broken ( not sure if fixed yet)

[undone beacon]

Its not fixed, you still take 3/4 points or its a damage loss

But this is also the warr discord so

[solid sun]

Which sometimes doesn’t sound like the warrior discord

Because someone

Likes to shoot propaganda at lil gup

To get them to play bear

[lusty grotto]

what that?

[neon elk]

The more people play it the faster they nerf it, so war will be better even if untouched , kinda make sense

[neon elk]

Bear skiping legdays?

[lusty grotto]

im hitting my elders

[glad magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-on-keeping-gif-10759268

[lusty grotto]

just knocking them out and getting my coins

[undone beacon]

oh true i gotta do that

what an exciting event

[lusty grotto]

fuck i hate it

[neon elk]

Poor fellas, i just did the bear minimum for mount

[lusty grotto]

the mount is like 2 years ago

im getting those 2026 mogs

[undone beacon]

I know they added some new mogs yeah

And im missing a few of the toys still but

[neon elk]

Yea guess i skiped it back then , and im not realy interested in other stuff

But doing it on alts via that one quests speeds things up if u wanna buy lots of cheaper stuff

[lusty grotto]

well theres literally jack shit else to do in game and this is pretty chill when spammed by meetings

huh

what one quest, that's not a thing with the Lunar event

[neon elk]

There is quest where u do stuff at moonwells and it rewards 25coins

[lusty grotto]

that was removed

[neon elk]

I just did it today

Like 14 hour ago, on eu

[lusty grotto]

im gonna grab this elder

and i swear that if you were baiting me

[toxic pewter]

Only can be done once per character

Prob did it a previous year

[neon elk]

Och yea i was doing it on new char and im not even sure i ever did it on any before so maybe its just once per acc?

[lusty grotto]

if its once per character then maybe i just wasted like 5 hours of my time

[neon elk]

Im not exactly sure what the rules are but i total did it today

[urban bane]

sub has some gameplay modifying apex for minmaxing

but not complex fair

[inland garnet]

why is prot apex considered so weak - it doesn't look that bad on paper?

especially for thane?

[lusty grotto]

its fine, it just needs more damage

[inland garnet]

aha

[frozen berry]

Does m0 also not launch until the 17th when raid drops? Is that different from normal release scheduling?

[lusty grotto]

if its a true heroic week

keys start with heroic/normal

and possibly m0 but we will see

but i could be wrong, its been a minute since we had a true heroic week

[frozen berry]

Someone posted this so I thought m0 was always the wee before heroic

[lusty grotto]

ok then thats accurate

it'll be like TWW's heroic week

the reason they are doing that way is because of early access

but yeah its identical to TWW

[vital sinew]

It's up in the air atm, but M0's before Mar17 might be a thing, just rewarding vet gear instead of champ gear.

[lusty grotto]

oh true

that was a thing

wait no

that was only a thing in season 2 and 3

[frozen berry]

Just seems like a really long time for just leveling content, but maybe that’s part of their slowing down the game so we sub longer c suite choice

[lusty grotto]

its the same way it was in TWW

so idk about that

[narrow jay]

Whats our thoughts on wild strikes vs one handed weapon specialization cause as the tree stands now you can only really pick one of them.

[vast epoch]

https://youtu.be/eHa5CDWYtXg?si=hfsatPvf21JapRyj start 21:31

Ion says there all midnight m0 available until seasonal ones

[vital sinew]

I think we're getting 8 Midnight dungeons m0, 240 ilvl till the 17th, then on 17th seasonal m0s unlock at 246

[vast epoch]

Should be reduced itemlevel as someone mentione above tho

Exactly

[jagged gust]

i wish they squished stam more, seeing like 50 str and 1000 stam is... weird

[lusty grotto]

says wwho

you can get all of it

and if youre talking about lvl 80 trees....

do whatever

it doesnt matter

1hand spec is way more important than wild strikes thats for sure

but optimizing for now is not important

[inland garnet]

how does stance mastery fit into the picture? isn't it a bit weak or

[lusty grotto]

its strong af

its a full absorb shield on you every time you take the hit and the hit is calculated pre-mit

while in d stance

its so strong that fury can play without talenting their defensive

[shut summit]

ye it's giga

[inland garnet]

Ooo

[narrow jay]

Wait how in the hell did you take all of that? I barely can take anything down there they force you to spend so many upper talents

[lusty grotto]

I asked you if you meant for lvl 90

And then added a side note for lvl 80

Seems clear thats what you mean now

[narrow jay]

Ya I meant for now I've been running 18s and 19s with some friends

Been using this

[lusty grotto]

Just run the wowhead build

Bad build

No stance mastery

[narrow jay]

Ya ill swap to that this timed the 18s and 19s and i was doing like 35-38k overall dps I just wasnt sure if it as trolling with wild strikes over one handed weapon specialization

[lusty grotto]

Again

It's pre patch

[narrow jay]

Not that it really matters anymore with midnight coming out lol

[lusty grotto]

Your dmg now doesnt matter

[narrow jay]

I knowwwww but its all I had lmao I miss the 6m overalls 😢

[inland garnet]

Nimchip, probably a sideball but do you think the stance mastery is giga also in pvp / any spec

[lusty grotto]

I don't support tank pvp

But

As a dps, it might be

Easier to ask in #pvp though

That being said both dps specs are apparently notthat good in pvp rn

[inland garnet]

if stance mastery is as good as it sounds one might want to stay a little longer in def when pvping

current pre-patch build (fury) in #pvp doesn't take it but maybe because talent points are very short

[lusty grotto]

Likely

Maybe they will in the exp

[green forge]

any elvUI users know how to get ignore pain absorbs to show up on the health bar? been struggling and asked over there and got a "check the pins" response but I don't see anything in the pins to help out.

[knotty mantle]

Is stance mastery pre mit or post mit?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

scroll up a bit

[knotty mantle]

sorry about that, ty for the info!

[carmine solstice]

Anyone know if prot is currently outdpsing arms and fury on beta?

[lusty grotto]

no

not even close

[carmine solstice]

So we have no dps specs this season so far

damn

[lusty grotto]

fury is doing fine

[frozen berry]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

and there's still some tuning to go

[carmine solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[lusty grotto]

go back to #general

[undone beacon]

Yeah they actually put an embargo on Warrior as a class sorry

[coarse bay]

Literally deleted the fake specs

Being a person that played the warrior dps specs in tww

I will say that we’re cooked

[carmine solstice]

I've played warrior since 1.4 and I'm finally debating on rerolling

[coarse bay]

Why

Ive heard fury is looking good, it’s just that arms is doodoo, which hasnt changed anyways it was lame in tww

[carmine solstice]

fury is ahead of arms for sure by like ~20%

[warm plinth]

Pwar gonna be fun regardless so 🤷

[carmine solstice]

I just wanna press mortal strike you know

[lusty grotto]

ive played since the AQ gates turnins started and ive only ever swapped away from prot in SL S1 which was the worst prot has ever been

so 🤷‍♂️

tuning will happen

[carmine solstice]

good ol AQ gates

[lusty grotto]

if youve played this long you know this aint the same blizz

Arms is hella dead though

[carmine solstice]

21% dps diff with fury

thats a tier

[jagged gust]

I burn out too quick if i dont multispec

[carmine solstice]

(according to sim sheet)

[lusty grotto]

unless they copy paste the imgur thing from the arms channel and/or just turn it into Legion Arms

[jagged gust]

still a whole ass month for tuning

[carmine solstice]

Blizzard said no tuning till S1 starts which is fine.. 3 weeks

[lusty grotto]

i'd say thats a whole ass month

[jagged gust]

mar 24th is when it starts to matter, then we'll have patch notes by before the 30th

until then i sleep

[carmine solstice]

"arms removed from game"

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-no-surrender-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-black-knight-its-only-a-flesh-wound-gif-14084084

[mighty valley]

I didn’t even stop in SL s1

So I’m just like

Slightly cooler than Nim

[autumn heron]

Time to reroll to druid tank so you do more aoe damage than 3 warriors combined

[undone beacon]

And then on the 17th you get gutted with nerfs :3

[autumn heron]

Isnt that what arms is for

[lusty grotto]

im already tired of the dooming and that says a lot

keep on the sandbagging ig

[solid sun]

The tuning doesn’t matter

Any of us just showing up is better than a significant portion of the people who even play wow

So we can feel good that we are doing our part to succeed

[round pendant]

hello boys and girls

I am addicted to deadlock

[lusty grotto]

its a good game

[vital sinew]

Looks like a game where you get stuffed 100 times before you enjoy it

[round pendant]

nah I'm enjoying it

[lusty grotto]

well its a moba so

thats par the course

[round pendant]

I was snowballing in a game but 2 of my players just started complaining about losing their lane

and bitching and moaning

and did basically nothing but whine in chat for the rest of the game

so eventually enemy team caught up and we lost

I love it!

[lusty grotto]

what hero you playing

dont say apollo or the owl

[round pendant]

in that one I was abrams

so far I like Abrams, Billy, Silver, Warden (kinda iffy on that one tho), Mina, Seven

[lusty grotto]

seven BALLS

[warm plinth]

DRAGON BALLS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvkh6Lnl6ik

[round pendant]

I'm definitely a pos 3 player by nature

idk what that'd represent in deadlock

but I don't like carrying I like being the playmaker

or the guy that just gets pounded on (flirt)

while my teammates kill them

[undone beacon]

I like warden

I throw the evil potion

[round pendant]

His ult just really sucks

[undone beacon]

Yeah his ult is kinda ass but I just build into spirit damage and gun synergies and go brrrrrr

Plus the Willpower buff is nice

[round pendant]

ye he does a lot of dam with his gun

but eh

feel like it's really hard to be impactful as him

but maybe I just had bad games

[undone beacon]

He's def good at supporting a lane by just kind of taking attention imo

He can be a pain in the ass to kill

[round pendant]

feel like abrams does it way better

[undone beacon]

And do some good damage while at it

[round pendant]

I'll just play warden more

[undone beacon]

The big thing I guess is Warden lets you play at more midrange whereas Abrams you have to get up close and personal

Since Warden does big gun

I'm also not like, a Deadlock pro or anything its just in my experiences

[round pendant]

yeah you ain't wrong

I wanna have a good warden game

[undone beacon]

I havent played any of the new wave of characters

Theres so many

So many characters

[round pendant]

Silver is cool af

god my head is killing me

[sudden tapir]

What has everyone been doing to watch their shield block these days, I am not used to looking at my buff bar in the top right to watch that

[warm plinth]

Cooldown manager bar

[undone beacon]

Blizz's CDM has it as a trackable buff

Theres also addons to customize the CDM further

[warm plinth]

Stop stealing my answers Pash smh

[glad magnet]

I just macro it into every button cause I’m a casual

[lusty grotto]

do not

[glad magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-my-muscles-hulk-hogan-mr-mcmahon-showing-my-guns-showing-off-my-strength-gif-17093933950370519082

[lusty grotto]

do absolutely fucking not do that

[round pendant]

I think he's joking

[glad magnet]

I’m not but I don’t tank past 16s

[lusty grotto]

which is why im clearing things up for any lurker

[round pendant]

bruh

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-bait-mad-max

[glad magnet]

What’s considered a relevant key currently? I should try something hard before the expansion launches but I keep out DPSing the DPS in 15 pugs sorting addons cause all the goats are on break

[coarse bay]

Currently? None

In terms of tanking especially, when like 20ish keys brick right now it isnt a tank thing

Just get into as high of keys as you can and dont worry

[glad magnet]

Fair and true. Probably just hold off till midnight cause two DPS doing tank damage every keys not super entertaining.

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

i got news for you

[coarse bay]

[glad magnet]

Oh no

Thankfully the damage meters are so shit I just turned them off and log so I don’t see the bad news till after but I can always suspect when the boss takes 2 lusts (exaggerated)

[sharp gale]

Ppl are not good yes but I suspect bosses hp in prepatch keys scale faster with key lvl rn, bc I noticed it too

Trashs taking no diff time between 15-20 while bosses takes 2 bl

[lusty grotto]

nah that aint scaling

its just funnel was reworked etc

people are focused on padding not killing bosses quickly

AOE AOE AOE

[sharp gale]

I don’t say it is real, just I can’t put that only on the fact I do 50% of the key dps when I’m playing fury

[undone beacon]

All shadow priest can do is pad

waiter waiter more psychic link damage please

[lusty grotto]

right i mean

SP is one of the specs that didnt get their funnel reworked completely

so that one is okay even though dmg is not where it should be or w/e

but aldrachi funnel was super nerfed

idk about arcane

[coarse bay]

Sad times

[lusty grotto]

i mean their funnel

[glad magnet]

Arcane deserves to die

[coarse bay]

It was nerfed, but still decent

Still good prio damage on top of it

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

lots of moving parts, so it aint scaling

its just people not knowing how to optimize ST

and hard focusing on aoe pad in the key

[coarse bay]

We love to see it

[lusty grotto]

it'll get better ofc

[coarse bay]

The amount of fdks not hitting obliterate in s3 was telling

[glad magnet]

I wish they focused on pad, the DPS in my keys seem to be on life support or asleep

[lusty grotto]

who do you think does keys in prepatch

nobody serious gives a fuck

[coarse bay]

Honestly the quality of players has been on a downhill since turbo boost

[glad magnet]

Well yeah true

[coarse bay]

Like im one of the people playing

So you know its bad

[lusty grotto]

you can probably get a good player but it'll be extremely rare

[coarse bay]

Pretty rare

Healers are the most noticeable lol

Bad dps is whatever, it always happens, but lots of healers getting hit by anything and not dispelling

Ig that happens at all times too

[glad magnet]

They’re too busy wondering why their interrupt bind is bugged

[coarse bay]

Actually so sad

Its kinda cope to say its just the current players or the dungeons vs design

But i miss kick as heal

I need it back, watching all these casts go off

[sharp gale]

It is just a statistical shift, turbo boost rise the Rio hell bar, since key lvl are inflated

[glad magnet]

I normally try to queue with healer friends and now I can’t have them pickup the slack for the pugs. Someone needs to be there to help the dk that cast 1 mind freeze and 2 death grips in 33 minutes

[sharp gale]

If after turbo boost you still do the same key as before, the quality of players you play with will always downgrade

[glad magnet]

True

[sharp gale]

It’s just the mean/median shift up in key lvl, so if you don’t move…

[zenith aurora]

I haven't looked much at warrior but I remember people being hyped about spear now having a chain effect - why is it not in the M+ build on wowhead? anyone know?

[glad magnet]

Fun detected

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt have a chain effect

that was removed early into beta

there are better talents

[zenith aurora]

oh boo that sucks - oh well

[coarse bay]

Yes, i understand that, from my experience this season I still encountered it even accounting for the boost in gear

I think it’s also in combination of less people playing, it seemed like turbo had like the opposite affect this season

[sharp gale]

It is how I see it, idk if it is the actual effect, but it is logical to me, if the average Rio grows 20 score per week, if your growth is lower the quality of ppl you meet will worsen every week, I see it really as mechanical effect (idk if it’s the English term, mécanique is the French one)

[coarse bay]

No i understand that, when i say accounting for it im meaning like +2 key levels

[sharp gale]

But you don’t notice every downgrades since we are humans, it’s just at a moment you notice

[coarse bay]

Incredibly subjective and just my pov

[sharp gale]

Yes mine too, no one will ever do a math paper on Rio score curves, no one knows

[coarse bay]

Graphs could be made, but while rio is all we have available to us for judging skill, its actually just not a very good tool for actual skill level

[sharp gale]

Yes that’s basically it, but the pop reshuffle is not instant + ppl coming back etc, but I don’t think it change the general distribution of players

[sharp gale]

You have to make sacrifice/ sometimes, if you don’t have another metric, so it is more effective to go more into the not very good tool bc you will discover the biases, like degrees in education metric

[coarse bay]

Like i said, that was just how it felt for me, there’s 0 evidence to the vibes

[coarse bay]

I just dont use io to judge skill

Ive played with too many people with high io that just arent that good

[sharp gale]

I use it to judge skill, it is not my final judgement

It’s more around : it doesn’t impress me before the rio I consider good this season, this week

It is usually the Rio you get with the key lvl where every casts must be kicked, 1 bolt on someone = wipe of the entire group, to illustrate what I consider the high bar

[coarse bay]

I dont get how we’ve ended up here talking about a high bar for io

Let me rephrase my first statement

From my personal experience this season, when turbo boost happened, my opinion is that the skill level of the players in my keys started getting worse and worse

[sharp gale]

I said I use it to judge skill, but only a certain amount really matter to me

if you try to show off with your mf Rio score

[coarse bay]

Sure, i assume people in title range are good players

There’s also really good players that only fill their vaults

[sharp gale]

Thats a reason I value raid prog more than Rio score personally, when I do keys

[coarse bay]

Ya it’s especially useful early on

[sharp gale]

And with certain bosses, just the fact he killed it is enough, I don’t check parses for keys I’m not that insane

I used to, with the archon addon

[coarse bay]

Very useful when hosting alt raids

#gatekeep

[sharp gale]

i don't really take rio into account if i tank my own key + not pushing that high, i usually take the first dudes who apply

and i kick ppl who say two paladins?? or no bl??? bc i forgot

[solid sun]

When I host a group for m+ I ask a question in the note and take the people who give responses I appreciate

Like +12 Gymnasium

Note your favorite dish for a first date

[drowsy comet]

Good morning

[midnight moss]

Can you tell me which kind of questions you ask ? I find it funny

[unkempt hazel]

"do you like femboys?"

the question is right there btw

[midnight moss]

Ok so I don’t understand the question if it’s +12 gymnasium I won’t be able to provide an answer

Thank you big cheese

[unkempt hazel]

[drowsy comet]

im investigating into that

[unkempt hazel]

[neon elk]

Do we know when are they gona remove crests ?

[drowsy comet]

when midnight launches

from what I know

[normal cobalt]

bro wat

what percentile are we talking? i need context

[sharp gale]

idk, as example before the turbo boost i took a dude who was 2k4 rio in a 16 bc he killed saladhar

[unkempt hazel]

gon apply to +10 with lfr clear

[drowsy comet]

https://x.com/Wowhead/status/2026055992249635027?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Blizzard has released a class tuning roadmap, announcing that there is no more class tuning planned until March 17th.

#Midnight #Warcraft

https://t.co/7U5WDJ49J2

X · Feb 23, 2026, 10:06 PM

no they let warrior stay like that dawg

wth

[round pendant]

I would like to remind you there's still class bugs that have been around since the talent rework in DF

[unkempt hazel]

yam more like

yum

[round pendant]

😳

[unkempt hazel]

[viscid rivet]

wtf is up with guardian dps

are tanks dps now?

[neon elk]

Yea guardian is kinda busted

[drowsy comet]

big cheese wants to eat yam hmm

[drowsy comet]

Guardian got buffed too well

hope it gets nuked ngl

[neon elk]

Most likely will, even sane guardians mains agree it wayy too much

[drowsy comet]

put this bear back to the zoo

[neon elk]

U can lock me in cage but u cant silence the truth xd

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/door-cage-learns-3ut4K9qCHUHWo

[neon elk]

What a smart cat , gettin free to spread truth

[coral quartz]

Question guys, forget the name of the talent but when you use revenge it ups the damage of your next TC/TB should I always be making sure this is up before clapping?

[ionic fern]

No.

Just send TC on cd.

[coral quartz]

Okay thanks

[daring marlin]

Hell yeah

[drowsy comet]

Paladins are fine

[upbeat plover]

Woyer doomed till 17th

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[upbeat plover]

True. And 17th won't fix it either

[toxic pewter]

Will be nerfed more

[unkempt hazel]

if worrior not doomed

is really worrior?

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmmmmm-hmmmmmm-hmmmm-hm-hmm-gif-2339932555530048784

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/0SVAVxeJsnJ1WRMIPX

even tho prot is still just fine lol

[drowsy comet]

Just dont look at any Tierlists

[upbeat plover]

Yeah, but I also pvp.
Pve is too easy to worry about balancing. Woyer doing healer dam isn't as cool when you fighting the fotm rerollers

[drowsy comet]

wait

i thought woyer is a stupid lil short name for warrior

is woyer an actual dude here in the server or what

[upbeat plover]

No lmao

Woyer is my dumb way of saying warrior

[drowsy comet]

Ohh

yea look at the cat gif again

[upbeat plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[toxic pewter]

community will put us in s tier

already have started

like here is one from this morning

we 2nd best spec in the game for m+

community never fails to try to try and get prot warr nerfed more even when its down bad

[sharp gale]

Why is he crying

[toxic pewter]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, we always been King Uber S++ tier before the others gear up.

That is how we work thanks to block

[toxic pewter]

so it begins

the cycle never fails

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, King of w1 to 4, get nerfed, to forever be behind again

[toxic pewter]

minute ago the community didnt even want to hear the word prot warr

now they all saying we imbalanced

[cerulean tusk]

Cause we are

For that time period

[toxic pewter]

no i dont buy that fake news

[cerulean tusk]

You know i am right tho

If they dont remove shield block this will forever be the early season situation

Well, that or add a lot of spell dam

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[toxic pewter]

these upcoming dungeons prot warr wont even be good for

tons of rot damage and shit

[cerulean tusk]

Doesnt matter, as long white swings kill others and not us

Remember we will be balanced around BDKs and VDHs taking them to the face

[toxic pewter]

the memo went out HARD to talk up prot warr

every1 will be doing it by the 17th

wild

[sharp gale]

Is it ?

[cerulean tusk]

Cause we block and it suprises every content creator every time

[toxic pewter]

it is

[sharp gale]

I didn’t follow much of later beta, prot war is really the favorite tank ?

[toxic pewter]

right now yes

we have overtaken them all

tier lists will be updated

as i type this

[cerulean tusk]

Even bear and monk apparently

[toxic pewter]

by the time the season starts we will be getting our nerfs

due to community pressure

the twitchers and youtubers are all on the same page

its like inside trading

[cerulean tusk]

How will they nerf warrior tho... Other than slashing shield block value

If they do that we are Uber dead

[sharp gale]

we don’t like the current APM of pwar so we…..

[toxic pewter]

i have actually been one of the very few to call for shield block uptime / value nerfs and have been hated on continually for it. This cycle needs to end

[cerulean tusk]

No, if you make us fight to have SB value up

We will forever be dead

You will have killed warrior

[sharp gale]

I don’t think shield block uptime should be less than 100%

[toxic pewter]

Rather die a hero then live long enough to become the villain

[cerulean tusk]

"guys, cant pull yet, waiting for SB"

Imagine

[toxic pewter]

I will kill prot warr

[cerulean tusk]

Get out of here

[toxic pewter]

and it will be BORN AGAIN

[sharp gale]

We are already perfect

[cerulean tusk]

Anf play and work just like VDH! Cause that is what ppl want??

Sodd off, Apb, before your title is removed

[toxic pewter]

I will see it done

[sharp gale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-explode-scream-WQFieIxPnVoM5HFAJY

[toxic pewter]

I will make prot warrior great again

[strong forum]

Why you breathing, that shit got nerfed long ago

[cerulean tusk]

You the kind of politican that will first cut funding to the gov hospitals to make private hospitals seem like the fix

[sharp gale]

It was when fury apex talent had a breath of sindragosa effect

[strong forum]

Ah

Meanwhile pwar gets a little shit wave

Which isn't even worth all 4 points in m+

[toxic pewter]

:keksquad:

[cerulean tusk]

You dont like the clap prio to do a tiny frontal thingie

[strong forum]

🫸 💩

[cerulean tusk]

I will just spam Revenge tho, so not a me problem

[sharp gale]

dw they changed it, I was maybe the only one who liked it , now fury has basically the same as arms, just different wording

[cerulean tusk]

[cerulean tusk]

False, many liked the idea, but wanted it to not drop off (as that was the problem for m+ and casual play)

[strong forum]

Ah, the button that's costs half as much as execute, does the same damage and can hit infinite targets

[cerulean tusk]

That be the one

[strong forum]

Gotta love the completely fuckery that is warrior going into midnight

Execute? I nerf dat
Arms? I nerf dat
Prot? I fall asleep

[cerulean tusk]

Will be fixed the 17th

[sharp gale]

Funny that I missed the season prot war is meta and use a little bit more execute, just to play prot again in m+ when execute is again non existent

[cerulean tusk]

They should just remove the execute cleave talent, and grant a 40 rage execute a set dam value of 900% of the next best thing with all its mods included.

i saved execute

[solid sun]

I think blizz will correct all the pain points

It’s gonna be just fine

[cerulean tusk]

Rhino believing in that the poachers gonna stop poaching, cause they will have a change of tune

Cute

[solid sun]

Well

Poachers always poach

[sharp gale]

I believe in the poacher too

[solid sun]

And blizzard always tunes

So I guess that tracks

[cerulean tusk]

All fun and games, till funky rolls up on his paid safari with his BDK, looking for the friendly Rhino

[dusky canopy]

Actually so frustrating as a warrior only player, like I get 1/3 specs being off but just fuck all 3!? Insane..

[solid sun]

Your bdk would just get one shot by a surprise leopard

[sharp gale]

There can’t be 2 tanks in the same lake

[cerulean tusk]

Nuh uh, I use a popemobile

[empty path]

yo fellow brownies, I've been out from wow sinceTWW S01. I wondering how much trash we'll be in midnight ? Hows fury and prot ? I expect same downgrade spiral as usually, or ? xd

[sharp gale]

Ask again few weeks after the season and I’ll answer

[cerulean tusk]

We are as always and always has been s++ w1 to 4

Then ye

U know what is up

[solid sun]

I think we’re pretty sick tbh

We got some shields

We got some talents

Neato armor

New expansion

[sharp gale]

Brown

[solid sun]

Tuning coming up

[empty path]

gotcha...I assume there wasn't any rework for us...still same shits and just changing numbers on it...

whelp...

[glad magnet]

Wait why is prot dooming I thought we were looking pretty okay?

[empty path]

I asking in general about brown class...I picked prot channel, as best channel in this server :p

[sharp gale]

There was a prot rework in S3, but it didn’t change much overall

[strong forum]

Execute isn't worth pressing whatsoever and the apex talents arent worth outside of raid

That's pretty dogshit if you ask me

[upbeat plover]

No executes?

[strong forum]

Also the new hero talents are just old talents we used to have or a tierset from tww

And we're worse at gathering mobs since we lost thunderous roar

So while pwar is okay and boring

It could be much more

[undone beacon]

So, same as always

[strong forum]

Yuh

Plays the same as the past 3 xpacs

[upbeat plover]

I heard we're all brewmasters now

[strong forum]

Well i have quit

I'm free

[undone beacon]

We’re all bears and brew until week 1 tuning on the 17th and both of them get shot

[sharp gale]

Warrior lost the 2 stack of ravager talent, it will never be the same again

[empty path]

ty Nome, thats what I needed to know....I peaceuffly save my 50e and wait for last titan xd

[strong forum]

Ah the talent with 0% pick rate among fury and pwar for as long as it existed

[sharp gale]

It was a pillar of our class, it followed us since I play wow

[upbeat plover]

It's okay, brew can just stagger and clear it

[strong forum]

🫸 💩

[undone beacon]

So true bestie, brewmaster stays winning

I’m not even tanking next season I’m a stinky shadow priest with negative ST dps

[ivory barn]

Would leveling be better in Thane? In beta I tried collosus

[undone beacon]

My bear would do better as a dps in raid smh

[upbeat plover]

I believe shadopan is the right one

[undone beacon]

Won’t matter either way, play what you prefer for leveling

[glad magnet]

Arms for leveling

[sharp gale]

Yeah it won’t matter much, I will likely level as thane fury

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1402663520029511872/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[sharp gale]

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[ivory barn]

I would only level as dps if I feel tank is slow, you can normal just pull the entire quest objective and cleave it

[glad magnet]

Yeah it was a joke arms pretty bad until the 17th buffs

[strong forum]

i used to be able to block that 🚬

[ivory barn]

Oh, I haven't paid attention to the buffs or nerfs. I just wanted to level warrior, paladin, and warlock

[strong forum]

good, stay like that

[ivory barn]

I just play for fun haha 🤣

[glad magnet]

You had me till paladin and warlock then you lost me

[ivory barn]

Only reason the paladin exists is to carry M+ when my guild dies 😭

But I play destro only on lock

[toxic pewter]

arms will be nerfed further on 17th

cant have them anywhere near meta except for that month in bfa or whatever

i will see it done.

[drowsy comet]

no way this is real

[toxic pewter]

100% real

[sharp gale]

https://i.imgflip.com/a389n4.gif

[dusky canopy]

Arms is deep fried

It’s real

[toxic pewter]

RET DISCORD STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharp gale]

Such a good timeline

[solid sun]

The dooming seems so over reactionary lol

Except for arms

[drowsy comet]

oh brother you dont wanna know what I have seen there

[dusky canopy]

Nah bro when a warrior doesn’t execute something is clearly wrong

[solid sun]

They already said there would be more tuning

[cerulean tusk]

"I dont get why you are dooming" the human said to the white Rhino

[drowsy comet]

wayor is fine

[solid sun]

Nah humans knew why they were dooming

Humans said they would poach more

[dusky canopy]

I’m not going to hold my breath they flop the tuning and design for warrior frequently

[cerulean tusk]

Yep

[solid sun]

Pwar is literally like completely fine

Even when nome was explaining his position he said it was okay

“It could just be more”

[dusky canopy]

Like I’m so ready for them to undo the cleave buff and slap on an 8% aura buff

[cerulean tusk]

Rhino doesnt get that ppl doom about arms, and not about w1 to w4 pwarr

[jagged pier]

We r in the bin

[undone beacon]

I haven’t followed the arms death spiral, is it literally just a numbers situation or does the spec feel like dog to play

[jagged pier]

Or old yellered

However u want to see it

[solid sun]

Nah

[cerulean tusk]

U r a bin

[jagged pier]

Yep

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey a female bear confirmed

[jagged pier]

I aint playing bear

[cerulean tusk]

It is confirmed

Too late now

[jagged pier]

[undone beacon]

Welcome to the bear side

[jagged pier]

My druid is still in sl gear

[toxic pewter]

im playing bear

[undone beacon]

Enjoy being shot on the 17th

[dusky canopy]

The spec has the potential to feel great but right now you just spam cleave on cd even in st and you don’t have enough rage during execute to press ms on cd

[jagged pier]

Cause i just herb and mine on it

[dusky canopy]

It’s dogshit

[cerulean tusk]

Dreamgroove is that way 🚪

[undone beacon]

[toxic pewter]

just hit 80 on my bear

[solid sun]

So is that a numbers thing

[jagged pier]

DG does get

[toxic pewter]

omg

[undone beacon]

Holy awful

[dusky canopy]

Look at that colossus break down

Dog
Shit

[undone beacon]

That’s not a numbers thing that’s bad class design

[cerulean tusk]

Better nerf Demolish and other 20%

[solid sun]

If it has the potential to feel great doesn’t that mean the design is good lol

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

View it with a grain of salt I don’t know the exact context of the SS it’s from fish in arms channel

But it illustrates the dog shit enough

[undone beacon]

Every spec has the potential to feel great but spamming one ability to do most of your damage is imo objectively bad class design

[solid sun]

But doesn’t the why matter

Are they spamming cleave because it does crazy damage and other abilities aren’t tuned well

[unreal yarrow]

Either would be bad design

All your buttons should feel good to press

[dusky canopy]

What I mean by this is the concept of Mortal strike on cooldown, Sudden death procs on cd, Heroic strike procs on cd, maintain your bleeds, and fish for ability resets with overpower, is all great concepts but the spec simply doesn’t flow that way because of lack of rage

[undone beacon]

Thats still bad design. If the spec encourages you to spam one ability because its super strong, just nerfing it doesnt fix the core issue that the spec forces you into uncomfortable resource usage

[dusky canopy]

How much damage things do can easily be adjusted and so can rage flow but they fail at both frequently

[solid sun]

So the problem is rage gen

[ivory barn]

I'm still mad that execute does like no damage

[solid sun]

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad design. Rage gen just needs to be increased

[undone beacon]

When I say "just a numbers situation" I mean "would people be happy if they just slapped an aura buff on it". For arms that doesnt seem to be the case, you have to mechanically tweak the spec which implies bad design, not just a numbers issue

[dusky canopy]

The way the spec has to played currently based on current ability damage and rage gen is what I’m saying is dogshit

[undone beacon]

If they slapped spriest with an aura buff to fix its awful ST, that would be fine because the spec otherwise flows very well. Thats a numbers situation

Arms is... not that from what I see

[solid sun]

Idk

[ivory barn]

It literally feels on prot like a 20 or 40 rage execute but the same, or am I just coping

[solid sun]

It sounds like the design is great but the rage gen doesn’t match how they designed it so you play it differently

Which sounds like a numbers problem

[undone beacon]

Rage gen is part of the design because the way the spec flows is based on resource utilization

Just saying "everything generates more rage" or "X costs less" is fundamentally a design decision

[solid sun]

So if they increase rage gen by whatever percent and that fixes the problem does that somehow not count as a numbers issue lol

[dusky canopy]

And this conversation doesn’t even touch the talent tree discrepancies lmao

[solid sun]

I’m not trying to be obtuse

[undone beacon]

No thats a class design issue. If you want to be reductive everything is a numbers issue. But when I say numbers issues I am talking about aura tuning. Changing the mechanics of the spec is a fundamental design issue, even if that mechanic is tied to a number