protection

[cunning oriole]

the average raid ain't that sweaty

[mighty valley]

they SHOULD be but people come in asking for an optimal delves talent build

[undone beacon]

You hate me now I’m sorry

[ebon geyser]

those cartel chips do we know when they will go away?

[solid sun]

I could never.

[cunning oriole]

Launch I think

you can still get them and spend them

but you only have about 10 days left

[ebon geyser]

yeah i just wanted to make sure if i should wait to see vault or just burn thru them

[solid sun]

It usually does matter for the highest content only

And then you get into a discussion on whose job is it to deal with it

[cunning oriole]

depends on what content you're gonna do between now and Tuesday I guess

[solid sun]

Should it be on the dev team to base their decisions around the trickle down effect

Or is it on the community to not be doofuses

[cunning oriole]

The answer to that is always the doofuses

[solid sun]

Is it

[mighty valley]

it’s a balance but it’s also not a great idea to put a ton of resources into an item acquisition quest that on balance makes people way more grumpy than happy

[solid sun]

Think about Tazavesh hard mode

It became very toxic

Is that blizzards responsibility to design around

Or the doofuses being toxic

A lot of people would say it’s on blizzard

[undone beacon]

It’s blizzards responsibility to make a game that is well balanced and doesn’t encourage degenerate gameplay, yes

[cunning oriole]

It would be if that questline was still relevant 3 xpacs later

[drowsy comet]

What would 6-7 meme look like in old Rome? VI - VII

[undone beacon]

We had this discussion earlier in bear discord, blizzard can’t obviously take fault for the community being shitters or toxic but they can design the game with systems to encourage learning and growth

[mighty valley]

a lot of players would just see that as an annoying outdated mandatory chore for every new character to do

[cunning oriole]

how can that be on Blizzard if people are just assholes tho?

[toxic pewter]

I actually need to do tazavesh hardmode for achhievement.. who want to do that with me NA

[solid sun]

Because they allowed it

[mighty valley]

people are not “just assholes”

[drowsy comet]

Bunch of old grumpy men being mean to each other. Smh dick measuring is old

[mighty valley]

they react to the systems and incentives they are presented with

[solid sun]

If zookeepers put pythons in the same exhibit as little rodent dudes and the pythons ate the rodent dudes, is that the pythons fault, the rodent dudes fault, or the zookeepers

This is a flawless example

I’m so good

No holes at all

[drowsy comet]

The government

[undone beacon]

If you design a system to punish the entire group for the mistake of a sole contributor that’s going to breed resentment. Part of the game and part of life, and there’s an onus on people to not be assholes to eachother but at the same time systems to help players learn and grow and traverse are still lacking

[cunning oriole]

Maybe I don't understand....you're saying people can't do certain content, so they are toxically salty about that...and that's Blizz's fault?

Dude I suck at FPS...will never be any good at that type of game...should I be salty at Treyarch, etc?

[undone beacon]

The argument isn’t that people are toxicly salty at better players, it’s that people become assholes to those around them in a system that punishes people not only with wasting time, but falling behind in power (when the whole point of the game for a lot of people is accruing power)

[cunning oriole]

Ahhhh

[drowsy comet]

Get better

[mighty valley]

imagine if treyarch made a reward that required you to win with Mahkarn on your team and he kept fucking it up for everyone

[undone beacon]

In the hard mode example for instance, I ran it for a few weeks with the guild. A very close friend of mine made a mistake on an easy boss and cost us all the myth piece. It was hard even then to not be outwardly pissy about it because there goes time and effort for nothing

I’m not mad at people who finished hard mode though

[solid sun]

Which isn’t to say we can’t have the taz hard mode

But it could have been implemented better

[mighty valley]

im back to proposing mandatory game design service for gamers

[undone beacon]

Yeah exactly. I never said hard mode shouldn’t exist, but it could’ve been implanted in a way that breeds less resentment, and that’s on blizz

[cerulean tusk]

If I could fix one thing with that mode, would to make it a daily lockout at worst, so ppl could feel they can fail it. Make it less stress ful.

Honestly, should just be resetable, and let ppl grind it down and learn together in an challenged yet more relaxed enviroment.

Had friends who really took it hard when they failed the group, not worth the reward at the end.

[solid sun]

Infinite tries per week but only able to get the reward once per week

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, I understand this. I'd like to say I'd be chill about it...but I probably wouldn't.

[cerulean tusk]

Only one reward a week is obvious, imagine if you could grind out the gear

[undone beacon]

Yeah. I’m usually pretty chill but it’s frustrating in the moment

[drowsy comet]

Get mad at them, or move on

Its just a game tho

[undone beacon]

Well no shit lil gup lol

[drowsy comet]

[ebon geyser]

im just chilling h raid and thats about it work is in the way

[solid sun]

But there are also moments where the community needs to relax

[undone beacon]

Doesn’t mean I have to enjoy the experience smh my DAMN head

[cunning oriole]

To be fair tho...I have never felt the lack for not doing the hardmode Taz

[solid sun]

That’s because you don’t do anything at a level where it matters

Like most others tbh

[cunning oriole]

I know it's there, I know it's a free myth piece...but yea. More power to you if you can

[cerulean tusk]

it was just an early advantage thing, so if ya didnt raid HoF, it honestly wouldnt matter

[cunning oriole]

lol ouch. I get what you're saying tho

[solid sun]

For most of us it never mattered

Until Pash’s friend fucked up

[cunning oriole]

And I agree it was poorly implemented

[solid sun]

And then it mattered a lot

[coarse bay]

Me

[drowsy comet]

Its not even worth it to be unemployed to play WoW ngl. U can pretty much reach everything even if u just play 2-3 hrs a day

[toxic pewter]

u want do do it?

who else need hard mode

[cerulean tusk]

When you learn that the higher up you go the content ladder in raid, the less time you spend raiding a season

[coarse bay]

All of this talk about how legendaries and op items wont affect anyone except the top end is tripping

While it actually only matters in top end, everyone likes to copy them

Why do u think the cringiest guilds are much much lower or aotc

[cerulean tusk]

Well, anyone that does 15% less dam, will be affected

wdum

this is known

[round pendant]

Hard mode being one attempt a week is just toxic

[toxic pewter]

wait is it only 1 attempt LOL

is it difficult these days

[coarse bay]

Yur

No

[round pendant]

Especially when people have been begging for years for some engaging non-timed dungeon content

[cerulean tusk]

Toxic, myeh-nah. Problematic, tja-nnah.

Would it be better if it wasnt? Probably.

[undone beacon]

Group of us did it first week of prepatch and it was cake

[toxic pewter]

ok cool

[round pendant]

They should make it like +15 difficulty but as many attempts as you want

[cerulean tusk]

Hope you mean +20

[coarse bay]

Agreed, would be more fun

[toxic pewter]

can i even.. solo it...? prob not riight

[undone beacon]

Megadungeons are so cool conceptually and I had fun in them

[coarse bay]

No

[toxic pewter]

prob mechanics alone cant do it

ok

[round pendant]

That way it still benefits those who are good at the start of the season but isn't too hard that people can't do it with better gear a bit later on

[solid sun]

Cam says they’ll go and apb asks if he can solo it

Yeesh

[undone beacon]

It’s still scaled up to around a 10

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[mighty valley]

“they should just do” should be the trigger phrase that gets you drafted into the mandatory service

[coarse bay]

Because im not as good as you

[cunning oriole]

apb wants a Legendary Delve

[toxic pewter]

it not like that just tryin to guage the difficulty

[undone beacon]

We’re gettin those it’s labyrinths

[coarse bay]

When the megadelve is poggers

[undone beacon]

Yo imagine if labyrinths are like two hour solo experiences

and you have to fight ?? Kyveza each and every time

[cerulean tusk]

Legendary delve sounds ass, but I will take more princess like content with cool rewards

[coarse bay]

I hope delves are more exciting in midnight, the mechanics and mobs were more annoying and tedious than fun

[drowsy comet]

Why are these labs so long, nerf that Blizzard yap yap yap

[solid sun]

What if a special 4 hour labyrinth is how you get your legendary

[cerulean tusk]

make it 12 hours

[solid sun]

Has to be completed in one sitting

No checkpoints or saves

[undone beacon]

That’s just the Lucid Nightmare mount

[cerulean tusk]

sounds fair, you die, you are locked out of the week

12 hours, Ky'vezza ?? on your ass the whole time, reward = legendary

sounds fair

[solid sun]

Yes and you can only blame yourself because if you try to do it in a group the legendary won’t drop

[undone beacon]

I think I spent like three hours in the Lucid Nightmare maze that shit was ass

But lowkey I look back on it fondly

[drowsy comet]

Fuck me, imagine running 1 dungeon for half a day LOL

[cunning oriole]

Wait, weren't you guys just saying that hardmode Taz was toxic?

[round pendant]

If you fail you can't play at all for a week

[coarse bay]

The insta fail for the week from a single person’s mistake can be pretty toxic

[undone beacon]

We're being facetious

[cerulean tusk]

Would be funny if someone took me and Rhino seriously

[cunning oriole]

Ahhh sarcasm...I see

[cerulean tusk]

"Yes, I love kicking myself in the balls, best time of my life"

To be fair, I forgot the

[round pendant]

That, but unironically

[cerulean tusk]

You are very smart Yam

[round pendant]

Thanks

[cerulean tusk]

[undone beacon]

Love... wins?

[solid sun]

You can’t spell Yamalamadingdong without Yam

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[undone beacon]

Yamela Anderson

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine if you died: You got unsubbed, and had to repurchase gametime

[drowsy comet]

GG Anderson

[round pendant]

Genius

They'd make so much money

[cerulean tusk]

better not have 12 month sub going

[undone beacon]

Nah a 12 month sub is like 12 lives

[cerulean tusk]

WAIT, I got it!
You get 1% power, for each month sub you got rolling

[drowsy comet]

Thats something I can think of chinese WoW lol

[cerulean tusk]

I am a genius, I would made blizz so much money it aint even funny

[drowsy comet]

China gets Spectral Tiger in the Lunar Event too, but its behind some huge Gacha shit

[cerulean tusk]

Like 15 hardcore content andy's, paying blizz hundreds of k dollars in attempts, luring in the "I am hardcore" crowd andy's making millions

...

I would beat out the income from all of SC2 box sales

[solid sun]

Wait wait

[drowsy comet]

u mean CS2?

[cerulean tusk]

you are cute

[drowsy comet]

[cerulean tusk]

[undone beacon]

lil gup moment

[solid sun]

Every day after you get the legendary or gains an additional .1% of power

[cerulean tusk]

look at him go

[drowsy comet]

I know, but that doesnt answer the question

[cerulean tusk]

being a lill sillybilly

[undone beacon]

SC2 is Starcraft 2

[cerulean tusk]

awwww

[solid sun]

So anyone who gets it after you will be weaker than you forever

[cerulean tusk]

he still so cute

[drowsy comet]

Ohh

[cerulean tusk]

ok, we cooking up some good shit now

[drowsy comet]

looks boring

[mighty valley]

the obvious wow solution is to put every player in a simulation so all the other players are fake and it can be fine tuned to their experience

dunno why they haven’t done it yet

[undone beacon]

its called being a delve main

4head

[drowsy comet]

Its 5head, you 4head

[undone beacon]

look all im sayin is im lookin forward to labyrinth delves and hope they get a cool kiss/curse reward because i like those

And i hope they dont have a labyrinth delve talent tree like they love to do for some reason

[mighty valley]

i just want a kiss reward

from u

[jagged pier]

labyrinth delves will by my new content

[undone beacon]

Love wins

[drowsy comet]

Valentines day was yesterday, should have tried there. Gotta wait a year again now

[solid sun]

I hope I can build an entrance to the labyrinth from my house

So I can either be in my house or the labyrinth and see no one ever

[undone beacon]

wait we're cooking

[drowsy comet]

I hope i can build tiny pp's around my house so ppl see how cool i am

[mighty valley]

tiny pps?

[undone beacon]

thats kinda a weird thing to do bud but you do you

[drowsy comet]

Nah its advanced humor

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-lower-decks-vulcan-vulcans-eyebrow-gif-24085515

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/holi-holi-hai-holi-emoji-happy-holi-bittu-sittu-gif-1544492652569470239

[solid sun]

Harrow have you watched starfleet academy

[drowsy comet]

Cant tell if its Rick n Morty or not

[solid sun]

It’s the animated Star Trek show

[drowsy comet]

Bruh what

star trek? the boring star wars? ppl watch that?

[solid sun]

I’m unphased

[drowsy comet]

Never understood whats so special about star trek

[undone beacon]

phased? set phasers to kill? star trek?

is that a star trek

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-4048595941757682802

[mighty valley]

I have not watched any trek past ds9

I didnt grow up with it, some friends took me through the greatest hits of TNG and ds9 within the past decade

[tribal wharf]

the new ones suck

[round pendant]

Yogi on anything ever

[tribal wharf]

there are new things that dont suck that come out

they call it the test of time after all

will anybody remember it in 10 years

50

[mighty valley]

og Star Trek fans were big mad about TNG when it came out

It got a long runway to become beloved

Nothing really gets that nowadays

[solid sun]

This Academy show apparently isn’t doing very well

But I like it

I won’t ask Yogi to like it

[toxic pewter]

its getting so much hate

i watched the first half of the first episode..

[mighty valley]

Having not seen any of it, I get the impression that all new trek tries too hard to appeal to New Audiences which alienates trek people

[toxic pewter]

and I dunno I will give it another chance though

[mighty valley]

But it’s still fundamentally too trekky for normal people

the TNG pilot is fucking atrocious lmao

it would’ve gotten torn apart so bad by today’s Internet

[toxic pewter]

I think I read somewhere patrick stewart thought TNG wouldnt last 1 season

he was like what a giant piece of shit

XD

[mighty valley]

he was correct (about season 1)

[toxic pewter]

ya

I wonder what character I would be if I was on star trek..

[mighty valley]

Simpsons season 1 isn’t good either

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

[mighty valley]

the world doesn’t give things a chance no more…

[toxic pewter]

I would probably be data

[mighty valley]

you’d be Wesley

fucking

Gottem

[toxic pewter]

lol

thhat the meanest thing u ever said to me

[cerulean tusk]

Does StarTrek have a cat?

If so that would be me

[toxic pewter]

hell yeah it does

[mighty valley]

worf

[toxic pewter]

Spot

Spot

Data's cat

[cerulean tusk]

Acceptable

[toxic pewter]

apparently the actor that played data HATED that cat

LOL

like would get scratched and shit all the time

[cerulean tusk]

You know why Star Wars failed tho?

No cat

[toxic pewter]

lol

[mighty valley]

chewbacca

[cerulean tusk]

https://media.tenor.com/hxC7HFByNWgAAAAM/the-office.gif

[mighty valley]

chewbacca is exactly like if a cat could hold a gun

[cerulean tusk]

No

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-5249015746143133935

Seems catlike

[solid sun]

Starfleet is definitely trying to appeal to a new generation of potential trekkies

But it kinda fits since the majority of the main cast are cadets

[tribal wharf]

these heretic crusades dont stand a chance vs me

blasted through 9 maps like it was nothing in 3 hours

[arctic marten]

Where can I find the attack power scaling of Ignore Pain? Some websites list it as 1,194.38% of attack power, but that doesn't seem to align with what i'm seeing ingame

[round pendant]

I'm not sure where to find that info but may I ask why you want to know?

[arctic marten]

To calculate the amount of Ignore Pain provided given specific attack power amounts.

[untold phoenix]

It has versatility scaling as well so it's not just attack power

[round pendant]

Well, yes, but why do you want to know that beyond just curiosity?

[arctic marten]

I'm currently taking into account the attack power multiplier of 11.9438, as well as versatility multiplier, but that doesn't seem to align with what i'm seeing ingame.

[untold phoenix]

As in it's too low or too high?

[arctic marten]

With just those two multipliers, the amount calculated is less than the amount shown ingame.

[untold phoenix]

Are you running colossus? Or have the talent that makes dealt damage add to next/current ip?

[arctic marten]

I am not talented into No Stranger to Pain.

[round pendant]

What's your strength, vers and how much do you get from IP?

[arctic marten]

Strength: 700
Attack Power: 852
Versatility: 204 (14.29%)
Ignore Pain Tooltip: 13,910
Confirmed that Brutal Vitality is not talented.

[round pendant]

It's odd cause no stranger to pain would line that up about right

but you said you're not specced into it

so idk

[remote ocean]

hm, does fishing gear still exist? like +skill poles and caps?

[arctic marten]

Does the formula work when used with your character numbers?

[round pendant]

I ain't subbed so

[round pendant]

What's the spell id of ignore pain rn?

[arctic marten]

190456

[round pendant]

Yeah I'm all outta ideas

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1277297

I found this which has an AP mod of 16 and says added in midnight

but still doesn't make sense

[arctic marten]

Arms specialization uses a different multiplier. We should focus on Protection specialization

[round pendant]

It doesn't say that's arms specific so yeah I wasn't sure

Anyway good luck I'm going to bed

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=190456

[round pendant]

yeah

(AP mod: 11.9438)

[arctic marten]

Great Nomeratur, I would be honored if you could bless me with the Ignore Pain calculation formula. The attack power multiplier and the versatility multiplier fall short of the ingame tooltip.

[strong forum]

what race are you playing

and do you have field medic talented or whatever it was called

ingame tooltip afaik only displays your maximum cap which is 30% of your maximum health

not your "per press" value

[arctic marten]

I am a level 80 Dwarf.
I do not have Field Medic talented.

[strong forum]

are you in the open world or in a dungeon

maybe your tooltip doesnt work properly cuz theres pvp scaling

just trying to cover all the bases here

i assume youre trying to make a calculator for IP

cuz the formula from wowhead should be it

[arctic marten]

I was testing in the Dornagal dummy area. I've moved to the Rookery dungeon, and the Ignore Pain tooltip remains unchanged.
Yes, a calculator for Ignore Pain.

[strong forum]

Fight through the pain, ignoring {$s2=50}% of damage taken until {$=}{({$s1=0})*(1+{$@=}versadmg)} damage has been prevented

this is the formula on simc

now need to find out what the symbols are xd

$absorb=${($s1+$AP3.5)(1+$@versadmg)}

[arctic marten]

I'm probably not understanding correctly. I've tried this, but it calculates an amount greater than the tooltip:

(852 * 11.9438 + 852 * 3.5) * 1.1429```

[strong forum]

1+ vers%

too many multipliers inside vers calc

its 2 seperate brackets multiplied with each other

https://i.imgur.com/DwJcf3d.png

thats the old tooltip

[lusty grotto]

is there a purpose for calculating these?

its a legitimate question, but why would anyone need an IP calculator

just for fun maths maybe?

[arctic marten]

Yes. I just didn't realize it could be this complicated for Ignore Pain.
As a comparison, for another absorb-based defensive like Dark Pact, it was as straightforward as reading 'Spell Power * 2.5'.

[strong forum]

you should see the conditionals for the sims i wrote a few years ago xd

[lusty grotto]

well yeah adark pact is a full absorb not a partial one

i cleaned those this week nome

LOL

it was hell

[strong forum]

hehe

[lusty grotto]

APL isnt ready yet though

cause sims havent re upped Execute

i had to

split it like this to understand it

[strong forum]

since entire decision making process of pwar is in Ignore Pain i wanted to be very thorough

[lusty grotto]

and clean out the unnerving stuff etc

[strong forum]

looks much cleaner yea

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

pwar so much simpler now

[lusty grotto]

mwahi fixed a couple of things

lol

im doing my best not to ruin it

either way its back to oneline cause i wasnt sure that was gonna be parsed that way, i just did it for readability

[arctic marten]

Um, I feel that I should've understood the explanation, and I apologize that I didn't, but what was the Ignore Pain calculation formula that was found?

[lusty grotto]

oh i wasnt talking about the calculation

[lusty grotto]

yes

[remote ocean]

oh .ty. i couldnt find any. just fishing to 300 tho

[lusty grotto]

compare your math with this #protection message

you have Atk Power twice

and yeah like nome said

you have way too many things calculating versa

when you can just take the value from your character sheet

also whats ignore pain multi

[arctic marten]

The current Ignore Pain attack power mod is listed as 11.9438, so I used that as a multiplier. That's not correct, then?

[strong forum]

dunno, i dont deal with spelldata

[lusty grotto]

that mod is just absorb amount it is the AP mod

not what you add to IP used in the formula from the spell data

[proud kelp]

Hey guys...this isn't a warrior question, but maybe you know or know a place where I can ask: I have a new guildy that is a brand spanking new WoW player, he just bought a wow sub and Midnight. From what I've seen online, he should have access to TWW stuff from buying midnight, but he doesn't seem to. Anyone know how this should work? How he can get started? Does he still need to buy TWW? Or know a better place for me to ask?

[lusty grotto]

he should have access

[strong forum]

TWW should become accessible with level 68

[proud kelp]

He's level 80 already, and doesn't see any TWW quests.

[strong forum]

huh

[proud kelp]

And has no portal to Dornogol

[undone beacon]

Did he use a character boost?

[strong forum]

yeah he has to do the introduction questline

from the board of heroes or w/e its called

if he just leveld via dungeons then yeah he needs to do the questlines

to unlock zeh portal

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=81930/the-war-within

This is the initial breadcrumb quest

If it’s not sitting in his log automatically it should be able to be found on the heroes call boards in org/SW

[proud kelp]

Okay we'll check the board we're already in Silithus and he doesn't see Jaina.

[undone beacon]

What quests does he have?

wowhead comments are fascinating

[undone beacon]

Try that

[proud kelp]

Well he had to bail out for the night, we'll try more when he comes back on. Thanks for the help guys!

[arctic marten]

Would this be the Ignore Pain formula to use?

(852 * 11.9438) * (1 + 0.1429)```

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry here we go

Stats (on my character)
14% versa = 0.14
AP = Str * Battle Shout * Mastery
AP = 699 * 1.05 * 1.142 
AP = 838.1709

--------------------------------------
IP Formula:
(ATP * AP mod * X) *  (1 + Versa)
(838.1709 * 11.9438 * X) * (1 + 0.14 vers)
10,010.94559542 * X * 1.14
11,412.4779787788 x


11,412.4779787788x = IP Tooltip
11,412.4779787788x = 13,736

so the ap mod is not 3.5

but yeah you got it right

ap mod = 11.9438

its not exact cause there are more modifiers

but thats obviously without BrV

[arctic marten]

The formula above gives 11,630.28, but my tooltip ingame is 13,910.
I am not talented into Brutal Vitality or No Stranger to Pain.
What else could be causing such a big differential?

[lusty grotto]

additional hidden mods

ah

sorry i got it

versa is not

the damage increase amount

remember defensive portion of versa is half of the value

damage/healing = versa amount

mit = versa amount / 2

as illustrated here

so on versa you use the damage taken decrease amount

i fixed the formula above

theres a lot of decimal values etc involving versa that are probably rounded into tooltips

so its not gonna be exact

[arctic marten]

Could you confirm that Battle Shout, normally a x1.05 attack power buff multiplier, is worth x1.5 (10 times more), when used for the purposes of calculating Ignore Pain?

[lusty grotto]

its .05

thats just an error, but the math is right

well actually let me check

oop nope

good catch

ok that definitely throws everything out

[arctic marten]

The differential is too large to be a mere rounding error, and while this is purely a guess on my side, I suspect either the formula is wrong, or at least one additional multiplier is absent. This was the same issue Nomeratur ran into earlier, when he was trying to figure out the formula. Do you have any idea what it could be?

[lusty grotto]

only blizzard knows

we're missing something for sure, but there's no reason why it would be different than what it is in the tooltip

the zero is the problem

we have part of it due to older iterations of IP having Atk Power explicitly in the tooltip

and AP mod being a listed thing in spell data

but there is something else in there for sure

the zero is just a black box

[arctic marten]

Is that the conclusion, that the formula is simply not known at this time?

[lusty grotto]

if you consider the formula not known by only missing a variable, then sure

[spare tartan]

this kinda interesting, i can repost my log that was posted in other channel early u can look at this and comapre events where ignore pain is up and when its down. but i dont know if it owuld be much help cus u want fomula

[lusty grotto]

i highly recommend not talking to the dmg guy btw

youre very likely not gonna get anywhere with him

[arctic marten]

Well, if even Nomeratur couldn't solve it, then I guess it really is impossible.
Thank you for taking the time to try and help.

[lusty grotto]

there is a way

we have known values, can just solve for x

[spare tartan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xawPDK4nfk976qmj

[lusty grotto]

but its late and i dont wanna math anymore, id rather play

[spare tartan]

check event section to be hoensti dont understand all the legends in that serious but damage taken events and ucan get look into dmg taking with inore up and dmg with it off hope that helps

cus alot of people throwing around formula and no one really knows exactly. i if somone can figured out my logs can help

[lusty grotto]

nobody cares about your logs

[arctic marten]

Well, in passing, Goal Seek returns one unknown variable to be approximately 1.196015423. That is, assuming it is a multiplier.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

is it a multiplier to ATP?

or im guessing youre assuming it is

[spare tartan]

any again any time i post something an instanty block message pops up. some thing is wrong with these guys for really. they alike jealous ex girlfriends.

i dont understand

[arctic marten]

Entirely guesswork, but under the assumption that the rest of the formula is accurate (impossible to verify), and that exactly one unknown multiplier is missing (also impossible to verify), Goal Seek would be this to match the ingame tooltip:

(852 * 11.9438) * (1 + 0.1429) * 1.196015423```

[lusty grotto]

ok gotcha

[arctic marten]

I'm giving up. Maybe Nomeratur will return to bless us some day

[lusty grotto]

i'd say its more in line with Atk Power * AP Mod * X but either works

so basically zero (black box) = Atk Power * AP Mod * X

also if you want reference you can look at the changelog for IP, thats how we know AP is calculated in - remember this is an older version, im just putting it here to show the differences in tooltips

i fixed the formula above and put strike throughs on the stuff that i dont think is relevant, just in case we want to search back to this discussion

also its definitely the full versa amount and not the damage reducing factor

@arctic marten im suspecting its mastery

the problem

we're using Strength as AP

but not taking into consideration mastery

i dont have a character sheet with AtP values

but

let me check with just math

[solid sun]

You’re waffling on sleep ya goober

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean mastery should be one of the multipliers on Attack power for sure

but it still doesnt quite get there

gets close though

any addition to AP will do it

racials (if any), etc

[arctic marten]

My calculations have always used Attack Power from the character sheet, not Strength, so that would likely not be the issue.

[lusty grotto]

i see

mine didnt at least

tested on my 2 warriors and i get x being 1.170 and 1.206

just wanted to check if it was a constant

[unkempt hazel]

bro is blocked and still lives rent free in his head

😭

[lusty grotto]

main character syndrome

what can you do 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt hazel]

but also

[coarse bay]

For really

[lusty grotto]

im obsessed now with solving this

just to think its kinda irrelevant due to the tooltip reflecting the information

@arctic marten sorry for the ping

but i figured it out

its our weapon

i had forgotten all about mastery and weapon factoring into AP

but i have to confirm cause its possible your addon isn't taking it into account when displaying AP numbers

you can see it if you equip a weapon without strength

the IP tooltip changes

equip and unequip

luckily i still had this from DF s2

equipped

not equipped

mystery solved

so the IP formula (for Midnight Prepatch 12.0.1) effectively is:

IP = (AP * AP mod) * (1 + Versatility)
or
IP = (AP * 11.9438) * (1 + Versatility)

where:
AP = STR * (1 + Mastery) * (unknown Weapon calculation)

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-13615195480860808535

[lusty grotto]

hey man

it was fun

[unkempt hazel]

explain in unga bunga

[lusty grotto]

my brain was fried like 20 mins ago but it did a second wind

[mighty valley]

press IP when rage high

solved

[unkempt hazel]

god im so smart now

[lusty grotto]

they just wanted the IP formula

and it didnt add up

[unkempt hazel]

fair

[mighty valley]

it’s noble to do science

but us practical folks don’t need to think about numbers

[unkempt hazel]

oh u like solving things

solve what card game I have vague memories of from like 20 years ago

😭

[mighty valley]

freecell for windows 95

[lusty grotto]

i just get annoyed when things dont add up

and my brain goes into looking to why its failing

[unkempt hazel]

the other day heard a song I haven't in a while and with that song came some memories of playing a certain game

and it now bothers me that I cant remember what it was

[mighty valley]

what platform was the game on

[unkempt hazel]

pc

prolly back in windows xp days

[lusty grotto]

yeah that shit just drives me nuts

[unkempt hazel]

and like the only things I kinda distinctly remember is it was about cards (kinda like gwent or some such) and some knight in green ish armor

lol

[lusty grotto]

i miss when you could hum songs to shazam and shit

[unkempt hazel]

can u not do that anymore?

[lusty grotto]

idk i dont have shazam i just use my pixel's google thingie

[mighty valley]

shandalar the mtg standalone game?

[unkempt hazel]

lol fair

[lusty grotto]

and i havent figured out how to do it

[unkempt hazel]

naw it was pure cards, just a board

I meant more like gwent within w3 lol

hearstone like

[lusty grotto]

a cards wc3 mod?

[unkempt hazel]

I mean witcher 3

[lusty grotto]

the only wc3 mods that i remember are DotA and Aeon of Strife - and also the Dreadlord one that you needed to figure out who it was

yeah i know gwent

[unkempt hazel]

pretty sure it was before wc3 but then again idk even anymore

altho maybe it was browser game too

[mighty valley]

ff8 and 9 had card games in them

[unkempt hazel]

😔

[mighty valley]

but yeah if it was a random browser game it could’ve been anything

[unkempt hazel]

yup

but god it bothers me 😭

stupid brain, either remember or don't, none of this half ass shit

😡

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

[arctic marten]

When taking a big hit with Stance Mastery Defensive Stance, is the entire hit reduced by 15%, or only some portion of it?

[lusty grotto]

thats a complicated question

its 15% dr

so obviously its multiplicative with any other dr thats in place its an absorb

but a scenario where that would trigger would probably not happen with additional dr aside from def stance

[drowsy comet]

Morning fart smellers!

[lusty grotto]

or well its only 20% of hp, so it will happen more often than not

[arctic marten]

I was thinking of Will of the Necropolis, where only part if the incoming hit was reduced, but it sounds like that isn't applicable here. Thanks.

[lusty grotto]

im not familiar with WotN

aside from what the tooltip says i mean

[ionic fern]

#old-updates-midnight-beta message

[lusty grotto]

nvm its late and i was reading it wrong

[unkempt hazel]

but

its early

[lusty grotto]

late for NA 🙂

[unkempt hazel]

na is a lie

its early

timezones are fake

[spare sorrel]

EU is Ew

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

dont fall for their lies

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

thats how they control you

and make u play paladin

[lusty grotto]

time for

[unkempt hazel]

toxic!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009237219216719902/1201942150166609950/DuyFSlUx.gif

[unkempt hazel]

good night sweet rat

[glacial skiff]

is this hero talent broken? Decimator doesn't apply deep wounds regardless of whether it's talented or not.

OK nvm it's not showing up as a debuff for some reason

[idle aurora]

Is battle scarred veteran retroactive on a hit that triggered it

[jagged pier]

Yes

Its applied to the hit that would take u below 30

[idle aurora]

Sample scenario, I have 100HP, take a post-mit 100HP hit to the face, only remaining calc in that dam taken being BSV - will the hit kill me or will it cut off the

Ok

Perfect, thanks Jakey

[jagged pier]

So it can trigger at 100% hp

And does sometimes

[idle aurora]

As a bug with calculating order of mitigations or completely fine

[idle aurora]

And also - is it applied to the entire hit or just the part that would damage you below 30%

Sorry if it sounds dumb but it's exactly how Will of the Necropolis works XD

[blissful pecan]

I’m 95% sure it’s only the part that would take you below 30

[idle aurora]

Ok, I'll do the research if there's no certainty

Thank you champs

[round pendant]

That's why I gave up thinking about it plus I have no sub to test things, but I almost got hyperfocused on it

Glad I dodged that bullet lmao

[raven light]

did they fix battle scarred or it still ignores absorbs before popping?

[jagged pier]

as far as im aware it should fully work how we expect now

but i wouldnt be suprised if they broke it at any point

[unkempt hazel]

what a week huh

[round pendant]

[drowsy comet]

imagine more nerfs

[jagged pier]

yer give more

who cares at this point

[drowsy comet]

removed Warrior from the game

[jagged pier]

from the state of all 3 specs they might as well

[hardy snow]

Its funny how they buffed our execute right after nerfing it

Clearly shows they still have same problem with tuning - they are unable of thinking what will be the result of their ideas for tuning

[round pendant]

Blizzard ebbs and flows with these things

but I think they just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks

explains like all the absurd balance changes they've made over the years

[drowsy comet]

Ay but atleast D2 got an expansion, amirite

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-26929028

[solid sun]

My favorite part of them figuring out the formula for IP was the one dude posting logs while Nimchip was actively chatting with someone and then dude acts surprised Nimchip is chatting

[unkempt hazel]

clearly nim foresaw them coming into the chat

he's so obsessed!

[drowsy comet]

Bear is better anyway

[solid sun]

Something to consider

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/peter-griffin-kaisen-6GIyCdCSkU05ECsxEP

[drowsy comet]

[unkempt hazel]

ugh, tax collector is here

[cerulean tusk]

They are pressing execute! That is a problem

... Wait, now they dont press execute! That is a problem

My headcannon is that a dev read my napkin math of how bad exe was, then went: Oh that is pretty bad eyh

[round pendant]

Subtweeting is cringe we all need to bully that guy when he does it

I just wasn't around

😔

Gosh this guy I've blocked keeps talking in this public channel!!! what a weirdo!!

and I totally didn't click the messages to see that he's talking to/about me!! I just know because the messages appear whenever and only when I talk!!

[toxic pewter]

Who here is blizz dev

[round pendant]

me

I'm john blizzard

[toxic pewter]

I knew u were

[solid sun]

I can’t wait for 12 hour labyrinth delves to gain our legendaries

[round pendant]

I can't wait to not be playing wow

[solid sun]

I can’t wait for you to make an na account to play with all your faves

Yam and cam
Pash and Ghash
And nimchip

Ez 4k io

[unkempt hazel]

hate when that happens!

if I block someone they should just get banned by discord

🗣️

[round pendant]

@drowsy comet you might be right

poe players are cunts

[drowsy comet]

no fucking shit, i told you this like 3 times now

[round pendant]

I've had like 3 bad interactions in 2 days

But it was going so well for like 13 years 😔

[drowsy comet]

they are nasty cunts

game is literally not enjoyable unless ur unemployed and or rmt, theres even content creators who do lmao, POE2 is a shit show rn

[round pendant]

poe 2 sucks so

and nah you can do well on poe 1 while having a job

it's just hard understand the game well enough to do so

[drowsy comet]

literally a worse poe1 except some more classes lmao

[round pendant]

yeah and boring/annoying gameplay and a bad endgame

I'm sure it'll be good one day tho

[solid sun]

Hardcore solo self found

[drowsy comet]

slow slop, bad endgame, shit balance of classes, bullshit, even D4 kinda feels better than this, and im not even coping

[daring marlin]

lol

JUST IGNORE PAIN 4HEAD

[drowsy comet]

D4 got better since Bobby Slopdick left Blizzard and you feel that in the game, same as Rod Fergusson, this old gramps ruined D4 from the start

i need to stop throwing slurs, i know mods are listening..

[solid sun]

I really don’t think they had much to do with d4 at all

[daring marlin]

There is zero chance you can actually feel a difference cuz of that wtf lol

Sounds like vibes

[solid sun]

D4 has progressively gotten more things added to it from D3

So more people are starting to like D4 more as a result

[daring marlin]

D4 is better simply cuz they added Paladin

I gotta play that again

"Return to darkness" launch with no Holy class. Blizzard is whack.

[round pendant]

tbh I haven't played poe 2 since like week 1

but I haven't heard anything good about it by people whose opinions I respect

but warrior week 1 was fucking atrocious

[drowsy comet]

I played D4 very intensively, and since these 2 idiots left, the game did get better, look at the first D4 expansion, and compare it to the next one which releases in April or so. I grinded the hell out of each season till POE2 came out, POE2 got me hooked for a year and now I realized its just poe1 allover again and even WORSE.

my characters in D4 were really godly, D4 has a good economy too tho

[solid sun]

It doesn’t matter how much Diablo you played, buddy. Kotick didn’t make design choices for d4

[daring marlin]

Again, seems like vibes. This stuff doesn't change overnight.

[round pendant]

Nothing you said is a slur

[daring marlin]

Rod didn't leave THAT LONG ago.

[round pendant]

yeah I think that's just confirmation bias lil gup

[solid sun]

They intentionally made D4 different from D3 and the direction they went wasn’t popular

So they’ve been changing it

[daring marlin]

Rod FOR SURE had a big hand in this next expac.

[drowsy comet]

You notice that after a few seasons since he left. Just look at how more open the Diablo devs are compared to while they were at Rod. Oh and fun fact, this guy blocked me on Twitter because I called him out on why he ruins D4 so much lol

[daring marlin]

Coincidence

[drowsy comet]

D3 kinda feels like an traditional diablo game, but d4 felt really boring. Things did get better obviously

many felt the same that it may be the art style or the color scheme

[daring marlin]

Isn't Rod a notorious blocker? lol

I never got the complaints people had about D3 til powercreep went insane.

[drowsy comet]

Rod is a giant crybaby

[daring marlin]

"It's too cartoony" mf did you skip the final stage in act 1?

like lmfao

Return to darkness was cringe af

[drowsy comet]

D3 was fine before RoS, after that it became alot worse actually

[daring marlin]

I liked RoS. Shame they stopped expacs there.

[drowsy comet]

Diablo Immortal should have been an D3 expansion

lowkey

[solid sun]

I think art style and graphically, D4 has been great

[daring marlin]

I actually stopped playing D4 a bit after the first expac cuz I hated the class and the setting

[drowsy comet]

still not sure if I should buy the new D4 expansion tho, maybe maybe idk. 2 weeks till Midnight imma play D2R, then Midnight, 3 weeks or so after that M+. then a month of grinding. Then D4 expansion O.o so much ngl

[solid sun]

I like Druid

[daring marlin]

Add in that the class was super giga busted it wasn't fun to play with them trivializing everything

[drowsy comet]

Thats their marketing strat

release new class, make it incredible powerful, release dope skins for certain class, nerf class after the season

going on with Paladin rn, and will happen with Warlock too, look

[daring marlin]

I'm not that cynical. Plus, I'm sure I'm not alone in quitting because of it.

Paladin at least is out now before the expac. If it's a crazy outlier SURELY they'll adjust. 🙂

[drowsy comet]

i speedran lv120 Pits when Spiritborn came out, all other classes struggled to even do a 80 during that time lol

LoH brings Sets back, Horadric Cube, new endgame and all that. Think they finally woke up from their sleep lol

[round pendant]

I never really played d3

[toxic pewter]

they got cow level

[round pendant]

and haven't played d4

poe 1 is all I need

and they keep missing with the leagues

😔

[toxic pewter]

i only play diabloif it got cow level

i was playing diablo before most ppl were even born

in the world

[daring marlin]

All I've wanted since D4 released is Paladin and they burned enough good will with me that I've still not played it yet.

[daring marlin]

shut up old man

Bunch of other old people in here

[toxic pewter]

i am oldest man alive

[daring marlin]

No that's @solid sun allegedly

[solid sun]

Yeah I’m older than apb

Yogi and Nimchip are both older than me though

[toxic pewter]

im older in spirit

i am basically oldest spirit in the k nown world

[daring marlin]

How'd I fucking know you'd say that

[round pendant]

very apbpilled thing to say

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

Brew is crazy old too

Like 46 according to his mom

[dusky canopy]

“Old”

Classic

[daring marlin]

Isn't Yogi 47?

I seem to recall him saying he was "level 45" in 2023

[round pendant]

I place him at 43

[solid sun]

Are y’all using freedom years or Canadian age bucks

[dusky canopy]

You gotta be at least 40+ to have so much doom knowledge

[dusky canopy]

Born 1947 maybe 🤣

[solid sun]

Gif search 1947 and see if we find Yogi

[dusky canopy]

Ayyee boo boo

Something.. something.. picnic basket

[solid sun]

Simpler times

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

We used to just sit around the living room watching bears steal picnic baskets

Now we sit around the Internet and piss and moan about why Chex Quest is the hardest doom game

[upbeat plover]

Is prot as cooked as all other aspects of warriors are?

[toxic pewter]

:nodders:

entire warr class in shambles right now

[drowsy comet]

cooked? Yes, even on a golden dinner plate

[drowsy comet]

havent played it too

But Warlock in D2R right now is really nuts, kinda excited what D4 warlock will look like

[upbeat plover]

Working as intended I'm sure

[solid sun]

Fury is cooked?

I thought fury was fine and arms was legs now

[drowsy comet]

Fury Warrior is cooked.

[upbeat plover]

Idk. I hail primarily from the PvP lands

[solid sun]

Prot is fine

[upbeat plover]

And it's roasted over there

[drowsy comet]

stalking is crazy bro

[round pendant]

I don't want to talk about it

[drowsy comet]

say it. SAY IT. Say Warrior is cooked

[upbeat plover]

Slam was our only button doing damage, so blizz nerfed it by 60% in pvp

KEKW

[solid sun]

lol uh oh

[dusky canopy]

We’re like a steak would be if you microwaved it for 15 minutes

[toxic pewter]

ya im slamming dudes all day today on legs until its nerfed

[round pendant]

fine if you mean it's fine because no one's gonna be playing midnight anyway to experience it

[upbeat plover]

You could pop full cds bladestorms on a guy standing there doing nothing, and he'd lose 15% of his hp

[round pendant]

[toxic pewter]

😉

[solid sun]

Defensively prot is more than fine from what I can tell. Offensively I think it’s a little behind maybe?

But there are a ton of bugs

Bdk is a wreck

Bear is like half bugs

[round pendant]

It's hard to fuck up pwar defensively

[solid sun]

Bdk just got heart strike buffed but they forgot to buff vamp strike with it lol

[drowsy comet]

Wha-what you mean by that

[toxic pewter]

im pvping all day using the ability slam that hits hard on individuals

tomorow they nerf it tho

[round pendant]

Uhhuh

[upbeat plover]

I have learned I am playing monk

[round pendant]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-doakes-doakes

[toxic pewter]

yeah most prot warriors that havent unsubbed are proactively leveling alts to main in minight or playing entirely different games

[drowsy comet]

Ohhhhhh PvP... I thought of something WAAAY different .. I go to hell

[round pendant]

we both thought it

[upbeat plover]

The no meme meta build for arms pvp was just all the slam talents and spamming that bitch

[round pendant]

lmao apb

I saw that

[upbeat plover]

For still mediocre dmg

[toxic pewter]

[upbeat plover]

I can still see it

[drowsy comet]

apb you cant save yourself outta there

[upbeat plover]

:)

[drowsy comet]

screenshot it we wanna see it too :p

[daring marlin]

are you high bro

or is this zoomer humor?

[drowsy comet]

[upbeat plover]

Any dudes wanna slam? I'm feeling left out

[toxic pewter]

LOL

omg

da fuk

[drowsy comet]

unless ur a boomer, or really old, i get why u think that of me

[toxic pewter]

lelan with that OP message viewing abilities

[daring marlin]

Is that a yes?

[toxic pewter]

this my life as an arms warrior pvping

[round pendant]

Mwahi said this place is a PG space

[daring marlin]

Bro being laughed at by a Hunter

Feels bad

[toxic pewter]

I was typing in here and alt tabbed bac kin

[drowsy comet]

Are you a boomer

[upbeat plover]

Mwahi's my boy

[toxic pewter]

survival hunter shotgun go burrrrr lol

[upbeat plover]

He watched my ascension

[round pendant]

daily reminder that I wish we had emote privileges in here

@daring marlin btw apparently he said he was "level 40" not 45

which would make my guess like spot on

I'm a genius

[upbeat plover]

Wait... you all can't emote in here?

[drowsy comet]

its okay if u slam dudes, we wont judge I promise

[daring marlin]

Oh damn

[upbeat plover]

Rip

[daring marlin]

I gave you the search parameters

you're welcome

[toxic pewter]

at this point might as well who am i kidding

[round pendant]

nah it was brought up some weeks back

I could never find the original message of him saying it

[daring marlin]

Ohhhhh

[round pendant]

but I think yogi's had multiple accounts?

[daring marlin]

well shit

[daring marlin]

Yes

[solid sun]

Discord keeps banning him

Holding him down

[round pendant]

I don't believe that

[drowsy comet]

apb dont be silent now

[jagged pier]

[upbeat plover]

wowcat

[round pendant]

take it to dms

if you wanna flirt with him

😔

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[solid sun]

I saw apb flirting with goth girls at Culver’s

Zwei is not ready

[toxic pewter]

who want to do tazavesh hardmode this week to get achievement i am putting together and elite force for this

(NA)

let me know

[coarse bay]

Elite force formation

[drowsy comet]

I- I didnt mean it that way

[daring marlin]

This implies he leaves the house

[solid sun]

Cam has been at working waiting for apb to bring up taz hard mode again

[daring marlin]

r u sure

[round pendant]

Yeah I'm just making a lil joke lil gup

[toxic pewter]

lol

I leave my house all the time

[round pendant]

Taking out the trash doesn't count

[upbeat plover]

Kap

[toxic pewter]

like when i gotta do my fast food bang bangs

[upbeat plover]

Bang bangs?

[toxic pewter]

ya bang bang

[drowsy comet]

to slam some dudes- okay i needa stop

[upbeat plover]

I am learning the terms of the rich; forgive me

[toxic pewter]

sigh I might as well downloadd grindr at this point who am i kidding

[upbeat plover]

prayge

[solid sun]

If APB doesn’t leave the house that means the picture he sent of him eating bbq was just like an image he found on the internet to trick us!

[toxic pewter]

lol

i basically onyl go out for fast food or restaurant yeah

i go weeks without speaking or interacting with another human

[solid sun]

Was that part of a bang bang sesh

[toxic pewter]

nah that day just met my brother

[solid sun]

Did you bang at Mickey Ds before you banged at the bbq joint

[toxic pewter]

no but i have

gotten a quick mcchicken or somethin

on the way somewhere

I got multiple addictions

[drowsy comet]

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[round pendant]

I can't tell if it's my ears or my IEMs that are fucked

left side just sounds quieter

[solid sun]

What is an IEM

[coarse bay]

What iems do you use

[solid sun]

Inner ear mechanism

[toxic pewter]

is that like the tube in there or wat

[round pendant]

truthear hexa

[drowsy comet]

you are getting old

[round pendant]

In-ear monitors

[drowsy comet]

iems are good shit

[upbeat plover]

Imagine eating out

[round pendant]

yeah these earbuds sound better than my $200 headphones

but the left channel is fucked I think

[solid sun]

Is that like a special earbud

[coarse bay]

I think ive heard about those, havent used them tho

[daring marlin]

Have you tried...the other ear? lolp

[toxic pewter]

[round pendant]

holy shit you're a genius

[daring marlin]

I used my IEMs at the gym for the longest time

[toxic pewter]

do valsalva maneuver

[undone beacon]

[drowsy comet]

LOL

[round pendant]

wait

it sounds fine now

HUH?

[upbeat plover]

I don't think you can be getting tangled in it

[toxic pewter]

i just use airpods

[drowsy comet]

you are getting old

told ya

[coarse bay]

I havent used my iems in like a year lmao, ive been thinking about using them again

Ive been enjoying the wireless life

[undone beacon]

There’s a lot I can get tangled in Leland

[toxic pewter]

its a slippery slope.. 1 day u slammin dudes.. next thing u know u out there doin a lot of weird stuff

[round pendant]

These buds sound so good for pop/electronic stuff

like kpop

or idm

kinda meh for metal

catjam

[upbeat plover]

I knew the "girl" was fake

[daring marlin]

I recently got airpod pro 3s or w/e and yeah wireless is great

[coarse bay]

Ya ive got a few pairs of iems, my best ones are thieaudio monarch mk3 or 4 i forget which

[round pendant]

is tangled a euphemism here?

[daring marlin]

Plus the sound quality is still amazing

[toxic pewter]

i alo have the pro 3 they own

[upbeat plover]

Not really

[daring marlin]

I'd get caught on shit every now and then when lifting and it annoyed me

[round pendant]

I ain't buying no $1k pair of iems

I feel like bang for your buck has to wear off at some point

it's wild how good sub $100 ones are nowadays tho

I remember when all iems sounded like shit

[daring marlin]

Wish I bought a pair sooner lol

[undone beacon]

I use the shitty wired earbuds that came with my phone and I don’t complain

[round pendant]

do you listen to music much

[undone beacon]

tbh only in my car really

I get overstimulated easily

[drowsy comet]

hm?

[coarse bay]

Im fortunate to not have that problem lol, im listening to music like 24/7 while working or gaming, plus streams or audio books

Although earlier i had 2 different music sources at the same time and that got me

[round pendant]

fair

I go through phases of like 24/7 music and weeks without listening to anything

but if you're a music enjoyer, treat yourself to some non trash headphones/iems

[daring marlin]

I like that the ANC on the airpods is really good too

[undone beacon]

I wish I could listen to music more but my weak willed psyche can’t handle it. I do enjoy music though but if I’m listening to it I prefer to while driving so I can really jam

Nothin like blasting down a highway at 1am singing your heart out

[drowsy comet]

idk if I should be curious or mind my own business, but wdym by that

[round pendant]

Sometimes I have to pause music to lock in and think about something

but other than that I dont have that issue

lmao

[undone beacon]

If I have too much audio coming in at the same time it gives me a migraine

[round pendant]

you're such a flirty lil gup

😔

bonk

[drowsy comet]

Ohh, yea I know that

[undone beacon]

Get your gup out of the gutter smh

[drowsy comet]

im just too sexy

[undone beacon]

I mean, everyone here knows… love wins

[round pendant]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bonk-vao-mat-cai-cam-bonk-anime

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rose-eminem-rizz-vMYqB2S9SyJjO64nRV

[dusky canopy]

Isn’t that a song

[drowsy comet]

eminem is not a song, hes an artist

[daring marlin]

son of rat

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-gif-12798710424551752432

[round pendant]

that is actually me

I've never had an image speak to me like this

[unkempt hazel]

🤝

[upbeat plover]

Who woulda known the prot chat was full of flirts

[dusky canopy]

Hollyy smokes @lusty grotto has got hops!

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, if the music has lyrics, I can't lock in at all. I have to listen to soundtracks or electronica when I need to focus

[unkempt hazel]

is that focused vigor in your pocket or are you just happy to see me

[round pendant]

that's why I like foreign language music

can't understand it so it doesn't distract me as much

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494737

[round pendant]

There's only so many of us so we all get quite comfortable around eachother

[unkempt hazel]

prot warriors kiss ther homies good night

[upbeat plover]

I have to tank as fury because I'm stuck with a two hander, but need one hand for the shield

[jade hazel]

What till Guildford posts their forearms and we get soaked

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/editingandlayout-NEvPzZ8bd1V4Y

[daring marlin]

👀

[upbeat plover]

A forearm guy huh

[tribal wharf]

#real lumbering/woodcutting when blizzard.

too long for hashtag but i tried

[daring marlin]

never

[tribal wharf]

okay, so im never coming back lol

[daring marlin]

you'll be back

[tribal wharf]

22 years and they cant do chopping down a tree properly

[daring marlin]

You have that fireplace money burning a hole in your pocket

[upbeat plover]

You can cut tree branches right now

[tribal wharf]

instead look for a tree growing a mushroom

[daring marlin]

gotta build a doom house

[jade hazel]

Go play New World

[tribal wharf]

harvest mushroom