protection

[lusty grotto]

no idea who wants to play a game to "chop trees"

[round pendant]

This is all yogi has wanted for decades!!

[lusty grotto]

dang

[round pendant]

Have you seen runescape?

[lusty grotto]

well im sorry

[mighty valley]

it would’ve taken a lot more time and resources than it would be worth to make a maximally satisfying wood chopping experience

[tribal wharf]

eh, i would change fishing and lumbering to be like mini games. since i know for fact fishing is boring as hell

mining and gathering isnt so bad cuz its just you fly around and find it

[lusty grotto]

i mean i guess i should have clarified and said WoW instead of game

you do lumbering in survival games

its just not something thats important in WoW lol

and it wont really add anything to it, unless its a resource you need to... play the game LOL

[round pendant]

I mean it could be a resource used in the economy and professions

but this isn't that game cause blizzard never expanded skills beyond vanilla

[tribal wharf]

the house can be like a paragon 1000 type deal

[round pendant]

the economy is deadge anyway

[tribal wharf]

longer you work on the house, the more benefits you get like a x.3 patch where its you have tp's and free repair and better potion and such

[lusty grotto]

so like garrisons

[mighty valley]

so many players would freak out if engaging with housing was required for prog lol

[tribal wharf]

right, but its a house, and the garison is the side stuff

that and map cordinates

thats like, 3 lines of code

[round pendant]

it's also why I won't touch it though

osrs housing is peak mmo housing

[mighty valley]

I thought you weren’t buying midnight anyway

[round pendant]

Oh, I'm not

wouldn't*

[undone beacon]

I can’t follow any of this what is going on even

[round pendant]

Nothing important pash

[undone beacon]

Fair enough

I think blizz should hire yogi

[mighty valley]

Truuuuueeee

[solid sun]

We went out for lunch instead of dinner

Totally dodged the crazy lines

Then we got to take naps

This is the greatest

[round pendant]

god I'm this close to quitting all my discords

and just retiring from the interwebs

[solid sun]

How come

[undone beacon]

We’d miss you :(

[round pendant]

food coma naps are the best

[solid sun]

I didn’t realize taking a nap would give you the ick :(

I won’t ever take a nap again

[round pendant]

nah I just clicked the discord and yapped

it wasn't in response to anything

[mighty valley]

rhino went on date lunch and yam went off the grid

[round pendant]

god I wish I could actually go off the grid

[toxic pewter]

Apparently in midnight going into housing with friends and stuff gives u crests and other shit

Pretty messed up

What about people with no friends

[round pendant]

I sometimes feel like 80% of the people I interact with are annoying stupid assholes

[solid sun]

Yam

[round pendant]

but I am just a bit demoralised in general

😔

[solid sun]

We live in a society

[round pendant]

I'm getting too old for this discord shit

[round pendant]

https://klipy.com/gifs/joker-face-2

[solid sun]

We def had a lot of assholes

Potentially everyone here

Has one

[undone beacon]

Honestly I want to move north and dissociate from the internet as much as possible

[round pendant]

This place is fine I like this place

[undone beacon]

I’m spending valentines evening at a range

Hoorah

[mighty valley]

What kind of range

[round pendant]

That's fun at least

[solid sun]

The amount of guarding I do to keep my daughter away from the internet and like tablets and shit

YouTube

Etc

[round pendant]

Gimme a shack in the middle of nowhere in some place freezing cold

that's all I want

[solid sun]

Our living situation is a bit meh atm while I work on a house for us to move into

So I’m around my nephews every day

They’re just all over YouTube all the time

A whole new generation of yappers

[mighty valley]

My father in law sometimes sits with our two year old in his lap and puts on youtube shorts

[round pendant]

We must save the children from brainrot

[mighty valley]

Can’t wait til i have a house again

[solid sun]

I feel like it’s one of those things where they aren’t my kids so there’s only so much I can do

I’ve kinda given some cautionary advice but my go to recently is asking if they wanna go for a walk or play outside to keep them away

[round pendant]

When I was a kid there was like zero brainrot on the internet

I just went on there to play videogames with people and socialise

and learn things

[mighty valley]

https://tenor.com/view/lemon-demon-damo-hyakugojyuuichi-animutation-gif-841521946651882178

We definitely had our forms of brainrot but it wasn’t piped into our bloodstreams via algorithm

[round pendant]

yeah there just wasn't an infinite amount of it

[undone beacon]

Literally all I want

[undone beacon]

Gun range

[mighty valley]

Bear arms joke

[undone beacon]

Breaking in a handgun I bought last week, family wanted to fire some shots off

True

[solid sun]

@frosty mango pretty soon you’ll have dozens of us joining you on the mountain post retirement

[round pendant]

this migraine got me fucked up

[toxic pewter]

U guys got midnight early access

[round pendant]

no

[mighty valley]

I still have a bunch of battle net bucks from when a friend quit blizzard lol

So yeah I do the preorders with my fake cash

[toxic pewter]

I gotta get in early and my gold making going

Gotta capitalize and make giga gold to last me years

[frosty mango]

lol come on over

I played some tbc

If you think people are sweaty in retail classic is a whole different thing lol

[mighty valley]

I’ve been hearing reports of folks spending 30 mins putting together an optimal meta comp for a level 64 dungeon

“sorry i just don’t think it’s possible to complete mana tombs with a rogue”

[round pendant]

It's hilarious because of how piss easy classic is

[frosty mango]

I leveled and geared very quickly because classic is supremely easy

And I was called a sweat lord

I legit played a few hours in the evenings

But people are insane over there lol

[lusty grotto]

pure concentrated WoW mentality

[frosty mango]

So I am 70 and outgear everyone in my guild

Because I just invite whoever looks mildly intelligent and as a result I complete like 3 times as many dungeons in half the time

[round pendant]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

of course those types of players would go for "meta comps" cause they cant do shit without the smallest of crutches lol

[frosty mango]

That’s not true there’s a few people who also geared up but I found the entire process very simple

And not time consuming at all

[round pendant]

There's a strange group of people in every game ever

who are quite bad at the game but think they're experts

[lusty grotto]

yeah nothing youve said surprises me roid haha

[frosty mango]

My priest has 4 buttons

[round pendant]

you know the bell curve meme

[frosty mango]

I either press them and you live or I don’t and your die

[lusty grotto]

you mean like our resident beta channel yapper?

[frosty mango]

Very simple gameplay lol

[lusty grotto]

you should see him arguing with Jakey this morning

[frosty mango]

Who did you piss off now

[lusty grotto]

oh he insta blocked me

[round pendant]

I made the meme

that's how classic works

[frosty mango]

I am 100% the just send it guy

[mighty valley]

the only gameplay I’ve seen from that guy is vids of doing weird solo pulls where he gets hit in the back a hundred times

[lusty grotto]

#protection message enjoy the flashbang

[mighty valley]

not sure what he was trying to prove

[frosty mango]

“Don’t invite a warrior tank”

They have a shield and they’re ready to go let’s roll

[round pendant]

Yep. Mid players always overcomplicate things

[lusty grotto]

roid for context that guy literally spams the beta channel with shit nobody asked about

[round pendant]

I've not been following that saga, unfortunately

[frosty mango]

I read three messages and stopped no thank you

[lusty grotto]

and apparently he invented some MDI level routing in midnight dungeons

which are... press W 3.0

shit is wild lmao

[frosty mango]

Who else is playin classic?

[lusty grotto]

i dont think anyone has mentioned it

[round pendant]

Light mode user = opinion dismissed

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/flashbang-cat

[mighty valley]

“didnt realse u guy wer lgbt” goes crazy dude

[lusty grotto]

he types like that

when i first talked to him i told him i didnt quite understand him because of that

[round pendant]

I know it's not right to judge people's spelling cause they could have dyslexia or some shit

but

brother

I cannot read that

Beyond just spelling mistakes he talks like a fucking idiot

[untold phoenix]

Never believe nonsense about dyslexia. Modern spellcheck exists. If someone types like that 99/100 times they're just lazy and can't be bothered to type properly

Because no matter what if they cared they'd right click the red squiggle and correct

[mighty valley]

yeah dyslexia exists but it doesn’t cause typing like that lmao

[urban bane]

lmao

[mighty valley]

it also doesn’t cause people to try new versions of “u r gay”

[round pendant]

MODS

https://klipy.com/gifs/tata-mpo

[urban bane]

i've had that guy ignored for awhile now it is gratifying to know they are not only delulu they're homophobic

[round pendant]

It's more than just spelling, grammar and stuff is also affected

but yea

[mighty valley]

smh mods always take advantage and take the free money and then delete before we can share the wealth

[round pendant]

This guy is just a moron

idk why we don't ban these weird, dumb antagonistic people?

Why's that dude still around

[lusty grotto]

is that peppy

[mighty valley]

we’ve all been weird dumb and antagonistic sometimes but that guy has crossed my personal line for sure lol

[round pendant]

Yeah one off moments is whatever

[lusty grotto]

wait wait

i missed the homophobic thing completely

the plot thickens!

[round pendant]

Also saying he'll have to take a step back to not be a homophobe should just get insta shot

[lusty grotto]

its more satisfying to have them quit

[untold phoenix]

I mean hey at least acknowledging your personal views might be an issue is kinda mature

[lusty grotto]

thats a big fucking yikers holy shit

[round pendant]

I mean, what's the purpose of saying it in the chat

"Oh you guys are GAY??? I better back off then before I get canceled!!!"

what does this convey

[untold phoenix]

Well nothing really, that's just antagonistic

[round pendant]

[lusty grotto]

it conveys

what someone said

[urban bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011836132201353267/1391834424005365790/4x_9.webp

Fuck yeah im ga

y

[lusty grotto]

protagonist syndrome

[urban bane]

im a warrior bud

[lusty grotto]

lmao muse

[urban bane]

[lusty grotto]

was it apb that said it, i thought it was cammy

[round pendant]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yeah-that-fits-steve-rambo

[lusty grotto]

but someone did: he has main character / protagonist syndrome or some shit

and its like 500% correct

[round pendant]

yeah the LX guy was the same

[urban bane]

❤️

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk LX was just really angry

maybe he did though

[round pendant]

Just cringe weirdos who fight everybody

😔

[undone beacon]

Simply, they cannot hang

[lusty grotto]

its at least very entertaining

so i enjoy it

[round pendant]

It's sometimes funny when it's not ruining the chat otherwise

[lusty grotto]

but also its kinda bad for lurkers and people that actually want accurate info

[round pendant]

I guess prepatch is like the perfect time for it

[undone beacon]

What frustrates me is when people then come in asking genuine questions and get shit answers from people like that

Yeah what nim said

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats what i was getting at

🤝

[undone beacon]

My connection in here is poor so I send messages and then other load and I look silly

[tribal wharf]

ppl like to add thier own favorite easter eggs

in pwad

[round pendant]

I just clicked the beta channel

[undone beacon]

pwad is what the called me in college

[tribal wharf]

player wad

[round pendant]

I'm gonna crash out

[tribal wharf]

wheres all the data

[lusty grotto]

sorry yogi, thats slippy not peppy

[round pendant]

no, no, I'm gonna go make food and comfort eat

[tribal wharf]

data for the map and monster information

[lusty grotto]

slippy the starfox toad

[undone beacon]

What the heckin frick

[round pendant]

I can't

[lusty grotto]

yeah jakey confronted him about that

this morning

[urban bane]

[round pendant]

I assume nothing's changed with shield block breakpoint and such?

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

Does he not understand why fray is good

wait why am I asking

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

he’s a giga feelycrafter (hostile edition)

[tribal wharf]

i started a new heroic raid in heretic again

clearly

since i showed the game screen shot

this one isnt crazy difficult

[round pendant]

I'm glad I don't yap in the beta channel

But is he gonna come over here once midnight launches?

[mighty valley]

he’s in here sometimes

crashing out over patch notes

[round pendant]

luckily I keep dodging it

That dijdane guy seems to be being lead astray by this clown too

[undone beacon]

He’ll come over here and probably argue with people until he leaves or he says something that crosses the line with mods

[solid sun]

He said nim and I were together

It was quite the compliment

So I guess he isn’t 100% bad right

[round pendant]

Well, consider what it was followed by

[solid sun]

Of course he blocked both of us right after

Does that make blocking us a hate crime?

[lusty grotto]

im personally more offended by the flash bang

[round pendant]

I'd be a bad mod, I'd shoot people like that on vibes alone

[cerulean tusk]

I enjoy that guy. He got a different view of things, and there are some golden kernels to be found

[lusty grotto]

lol

[unreal yarrow]

Not so much golden kernels and more like a broken clock

[lusty grotto]

guy is a creature all right

[cerulean tusk]

Twice a day baby, all the value one could want

[lusty grotto]

but we cant deny hes entertaining

[solid sun]

Mixed bag

[cerulean tusk]

Gotta take the good with the bad

[solid sun]

No I don’t

When I go to the produce section I specifically only pick out the good things

You silly goose

[lusty grotto]

checkmate cat

[cerulean tusk]

This be why Rhino going extinct, while cat thrive

My way is purrrfect

[solid sun]

Hey

[spare sorrel]

We talking about the DPS guy

Did I miss another crash out

I was eating fondue

[solid sun]

Are you making light of my people’s plight against poachers

[cerulean tusk]

I am a cat

Just be glad i aint a rat

[mighty valley]

kitty is doing the “drunk driving kills but it also gets people to work on time” tweet

[round pendant]

nah

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

I was just catching up a lil

[solid sun]

Is this a real tweet lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Surprised ya talk about DPS and not the green cat with an antenna

[mighty valley]

it’s a classic

[round pendant]

I've washed my hands of Khailby

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

thats 100% it

[solid sun]

Loooooooool

[mighty valley]

khailby was too sweet for this world

[lusty grotto]

but cat is cat

so on character

[undone beacon]

We had our reflection on Khailby the other day

I posted a great meme

[round pendant]

He has given in to the dark side

I can no longer defend him

😔

Basically I gave him the benefit of the doubt too much he's actually just a rat

and not the nim kind of rat

[solid sun]

Is cat even a character

[cerulean tusk]

Khalliby a rat in a hat confirmed

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

this is me responding to khailby

😔

[solid sun]

I think cat is usually just the duck gif

At all of us

[mighty valley]

last I saw he had a toxic hangout with kanga and disappeared

[undone beacon]

I told you I stopped caring when he started being an asshole in PvP channel lol

Now you’ve seen it

[mighty valley]

im not gonna go look at pvp to follow up

[round pendant]

I didn't want to believe it 😔

[cerulean tusk]

I mean

It is worth watching

[undone beacon]

Nah not really

[solid sun]

I’ve only had good hangouts here so far

Nimchip and Pash and Ghash

Yam won’t play NA to hang out with me

[undone beacon]

And yet you ventured into the darkness to seek it out

[round pendant]

no, kitty pinged me

[undone beacon]

The truth hurts

[cerulean tusk]

[undone beacon]

Oh lol

[cerulean tusk]

I would never

[round pendant]

[cerulean tusk]

[undone beacon]

[round pendant]

sorry pal

[undone beacon]

He did a key with kanga, they messed up a hard pull in gambit Kanga told him to do with lust, then he proceeded to try the same pull a few more times without lust, rage quit the key, rage quit warrior for BDK, and now just hangs out in the PvP channel being… Khailby

I caught him in K’aresh at one point in war mode on his BDK ganking people at the dorn portal

Then complaining that city guards attacked him

[round pendant]

lmao

can't he just death's advance and leave

not like city guards are scary as a tank

[undone beacon]

He got into arguments with pvp warriors about whether chains of ice was good in PvP that was cool

Anyways I’m done talking about Khailby I want new little guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347254691966615552/1374207963128004628/two_of_them.gif

[mighty valley]

At least khailby had an interesting arc

[coarse bay]

[mighty valley]

Can’t say the same for these recent weird ragers

[undone beacon]

He did have a full arc that’s for sure

[split roost]

I swear I don't check this for months at a time but without a doubt every time I do there's some shit happening lmao

[lusty grotto]

im guessing its common in any class discord that has regulars

[unreal yarrow]

This has the most yapping by far

[lusty grotto]

wait until the fotm/meta race starts

or actually i dont think that matters, we will keep talking in here lmao

i see it as a plus

tbh

so long as its not dismissive of new people (besides characters such as the dmg guy)

[round pendant]

lots of yappers in here

It's good

[undone beacon]

The vibes in this channel are usually pretty good compared to a lot of spec channels I’ve been in

We’re fun here :3

[split roost]

To be fair I don't venture out to any other spec/class channels so my point of view is very narrow lol

It's entertaining sometimes when idiots try to fight nim, though lol

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

this ones a bit on the easy side lol

[daring marlin]

who

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

😉

[mighty valley]

I don’t know what it is but nim can do an “im rubber and ur glue” level insult to a random gamer and they become serial killers

[lusty grotto]

its not what i say, its just the type of person

you can notice really quickly

[ebon geyser]

yeah no ty lol

[lusty grotto]

i just open the floodgates really easily with whatever i type

cause they're already halfway open anyway

[sharp gale]

Other topic, what opens my floodgates : ppl watching Star Wars in chronological order

[lusty grotto]

uhh

im sorry happy

i usually recommend that order, but i prefer release or machete

[sharp gale]

Fr it doesn’t actually make me mad, but it is wrong

1. It was made to be seen in the release order
2. Visual downgrades bc old->antique->new

In Anime weird visual jumps/downgrade deteriorate even more the experience

[remote ocean]

do you unlock all appeareances from an item if you get it on mythic?

[lusty grotto]

not yet

but in midnight you will

[remote ocean]

ohhh. cool.

ty

[lusty grotto]

the change is not retroactive as of yet

[ebon geyser]

@dusty orchid even chatgpt says blood due to unholy lol

[solid sun]

Zootopia 2 was a hit

[round pendant]

You're a hit

[solid sun]

[pallid quiver]

For armor sets, at least, it is working that way right now

A friend of mine have been hitting old raids for transmog and it's been giving us all sets below once we complete an armor set on Mythic

I don't know if it was ever intended for it to give lower difficulty appearances for non-set pieces, ie weapons

[solid sun]

Hey @pallid quiver when are we gonna fight

There’s drama in curling at the Winter Olympics

Calmest sport that exists and they’re gonna fight!

Canada vs Sweden

[pallid quiver]

right now i got me sword and dagger ready

[lusty grotto]

oh cool then its working right now @remote ocean

[remote ocean]

awesome

current POV. vault of the incarnates.

[lusty grotto]

razageth?

[remote ocean]

yeah killed tho.

[lusty grotto]

nice

[remote ocean]

and indeed it is working

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[undone beacon]

if you unlock the ful lset you unlock the set on lower difficulties

wait shapis

did you just get the ful lset

or did you just get that piece

hold on

oh luerce already answered

im losing my touch

[drowsy comet]

Good morning smart fellas

[solid sun]

Zup Zwei

[drowsy comet]

Playing D2, kinda got me hooked ngl

Great to kill time till midnight

[grim glen]

Quick question: if I enjoyed TWW season 1 Prot Warrior, will I enjoy it in midnight? Haven’t gotten on to play it since waiting for xpac, but it seems to be relatively similar correct?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty similar to just about any iteration since DF

[grim glen]

Is mount thane looking like the preferred? For M+ or is it still up in the air?

[lusty grotto]

its pre patch so either is fine

play what you think is more fun

[grim glen]

Ok! Thank you, just wanted to make sure they didn’t nuke this spec for some reason before I decide to main it 😂

[lusty grotto]

yeah no nuking isnt really a thing anymore

people overreact about nerfs and stuff but all in all there's nothing stopping you from playing any class or spec

prot is fine, could use a bump in overall dps, but there's still a bit of tuning to go

[grim glen]

Yeah I don’t really care about power as much as fun

[ebon geyser]

chat cpt still telling me blood and unholy match what i want is killing me lol

[lusty grotto]

the only nuke that prot has ever received was SL S1

other than that we've always been a pretty safe pick

[ebon geyser]

i just feel this tuning is not ready and the xpac is almost here like they are behind

[grim glen]

Oh yeah I played with a new player In SL s1 that chose Prot Warrior, I was a hunter and helped him get into M+, was definitely a fun challenge to figure out how to do our first 20s early in that season 😂 definitely felt the need for a buff with him

[lusty grotto]

spec was dead in that season

[grim glen]

It’s always like that! Don’t worry it’ll be good overall

[lusty grotto]

i unsubbed

it was good right after that though

s2 +

[grim glen]

Yeah I think that’s what was amazing for him, he played on hard mode in his first season playing wow, so it was all a breeeze from there

[toxic pewter]

The season doesn’t even start until like three weeks after the xpac launches or something

[lusty grotto]

yeah

same as any exp

[ebon geyser]

i mean if raid dropped the tuesday that we go live specs are all crap (yes i know is not the same day of the expansion)

[toxic pewter]

I’m actually having more fun now than I have most of war within. I consider midnight changes mostly great

[ebon geyser]

some of the changes dont even make sense

[toxic pewter]

War within was one of my least favorite expansions

[undone beacon]

I think a fair amount of specs are designed with apex in mind and will feel better with them but

Def some interesting choices

[lusty grotto]

yeah

plus there's a lot more tuning coming

these next weeks and even into the exp's release

pash do you know which mounts have a daily lockout on the valentine thing

[lusty grotto]

ok ok ty apb

[toxic pewter]

I still haven’t gotten heartbreaker or butterfly

I think I got sweeper somehow

[mighty valley]

You’ll never break my heart apb

Actually you have a few times

Nvm

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

I think I like this starfleet academy show

Most of the way through episode 2

Seems enjoyable

[hasty scaffold]

On this chart, where would you place Protection (DPS or defensive wise, specify which you are referring to)? (personal project)
If hero specs differ majorly profile wise, please include elaboration

ac tually unsure how you can even apply this to tanks tbh because i know at least healers have different healing profiles but idk if tanks have a similar thing lol

[lusty grotto]

cant say cause the content is not there

you cant compare vs prepatch content

its not relevant content

[hasty scaffold]

if yall know how to place them bettter would be appreciated (i want to add every spec to this chart)

[lusty grotto]

and it'll end

[hasty scaffold]

that's fair!

i assume that dps and healers at least will just generally be easier to evaluate, either for beta or just how they've existed for years

[lusty grotto]

but we dont really fall into ramp, perhaps colossus did in the past but the rebalance around colossal might and demolish evened that

if i had to say, i would say we're somewhere between burst and sustained

we have burst phases (avatar as thane with TBs, and demolish as colossus) but sustained is also good

this is in terms of damage only

[hasty scaffold]

Thank you, very much appreciated ^^ I'll probably come back in a few months once everything is set in stone because this idea is just interesting to me.

[hasty scaffold]

Thanks, I was gonna ask haha

[lusty grotto]

i dont think you can say any tank is ramp defensive anymore

vdh dont have stacks etc

[hasty scaffold]

but idk if tanks have different defensive profiles like how healers have differernt healing profiles

[lusty grotto]

nah

[hasty scaffold]

mmm, gotcha

[lusty grotto]

defensive is just... there on demand

cant really define it as any of those 3

the only one i can think of is maybe BDK can be pseudo bursty with death strike but... yeah idk

only if you consider self sustain as defense which is debatable

[hasty scaffold]

that's true! I'll just evaluate dps profiles of tanks then, thank you

[hasty scaffold]

if you had to put a ratio on that?

[lusty grotto]

no problem, dps is important to us tanks since it yields threat

[hasty scaffold]

example, fury chat tells me that fury would be around 10% burst 90% sustained

if that gives a reference point

[lusty grotto]

it depends how we're looking at it

do you mean in a specific time window?

or just like overall?

or in general i guess

[hasty scaffold]

in general yes

[lusty grotto]

and are we doing ratios based on yield (dps etc) or just gameplay?

[hasty scaffold]

dont understand what you mean by yield, sorry

[lusty grotto]

damage

[hasty scaffold]

so, im putting every spec in the game on this alignment chart, so it's going to be relative

example devourer is probbly going to be the 100% ramp spec

[lusty grotto]

yeah so you mean gameplay wise

[hasty scaffold]

fire mage or something similar will be 100% burst

yes, sorry

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt really matter how much output damage is coming out

in that case we're probably the same as any other warrior spec

i dont agree with the 10 / 90 with fury but

its somewhere around that

20 / 80 is probably better

[hasty scaffold]

i'll be asking more opinions about it, yours is valuable if you would like to share

o7 and prot?

[lusty grotto]

the same

[hasty scaffold]

thanks sir/ma'am

[lusty grotto]

i am a sir mouse

[hasty scaffold]

would you know anything about arms?

ofc

[lusty grotto]

arms would normally be in the same place but... the gameplay right now is weird

given that its likely arms will receive changes, id place them similarly as the other 2

[hasty scaffold]

Thank you

[lusty grotto]

but only cause i suspect they will get changed

[hasty scaffold]

This is a continuous project so it will be open to changes

hurray

[toxic pewter]

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

I don’t get it

Technically a triangle could be a ramp from either side

Not just the right side

[lusty grotto]

get out

ok jk i laughed

[solid sun]

lol

[drowsy comet]

why is arms up here

[hasty scaffold]

no one told me in the arms channel because they're busy dooming and others told me that they believe arms is similar

[drowsy comet]

arms is doodoo

they got nerfed again lol

[toxic pewter]

Arms? I think you mean legs now

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[jagged pier]

might as well do that in here too

[toxic pewter]

Yep

[cerulean tusk]

Why, the only thing that happened is that they shot Col and made Thane the viable only spec

[toxic pewter]

Didn’t they nerf thunder blast 30%

[cerulean tusk]

Doesnt matter tho, when Col does less dam with its big button than you do with spamming clappa

[toxic pewter]

True

[cerulean tusk]

Welcome to world of clap craft. Only reason arms is down bad, is cause they dont have Thane.

The only supported hero spec for warrioe

[toxic pewter]

It is strange

[solid sun]

Are we vibe clapping, Cat

[jagged pier]

have u not seen our damagebreak down now

[toxic pewter]

tbh not lately now that I think of it

not since tuesday

[cerulean tusk]

I wont play Thane, just not enjoyable to me, Rhino

I enjoy big dam button, sadly i gotta go BDK for that now

[toxic pewter]

what is bdk big dam button

unironically dont know

[solid sun]

Is it the scythe

[toxic pewter]

is it that scythe thing

[cerulean tusk]

DND for San'leyn

[toxic pewter]

yea dang that actually sounds kinda fun big scythe

[tribal wharf]

death and decay is what all dks want to do, i think

[toxic pewter]

dnd? wat in the world

[tribal wharf]

im too stupid to play dk, remember

i know for fact UH and blood both work on dnd

[toxic pewter]

sin layn supercharges dnd?

[cerulean tusk]

They made DND proc for 150% of its dam, uncapped, instant, and with a ton of str/versa mods

[toxic pewter]

thats actually interesting lol

[cerulean tusk]

It sucks while gathering

[toxic pewter]

i never thought they woul lean into dnd

like that

[cerulean tusk]

No passive AoE zone hurts

[tribal wharf]

at least its not wc2 dnd

hits in a grid at random tiles, but huge dmg when it does hit

[solid sun]

So it isn’t a button?

It just randomly procs?

[cerulean tusk]

It insta procs, but sure

[toxic pewter]

what do you mean by this

[cerulean tusk]

DND is consumed

To blow up

[toxic pewter]

ohhh

interesting

[tribal wharf]

wc3 dnd is stupidly overpowered, i want to say its 3% building hp cap per second cast can last like 15 seconds lol

1 good cast of that shit and an army attack can end entire fuckin game

[toxic pewter]

didn't lich hero do it

destroys buildings and stuff

or anything

[solid sun]

What does it proc off of?

[tribal wharf]

yup, old lich hero was absurdly broken over powered

[solid sun]

Blood boil casts?

[cerulean tusk]

Bloodplague ticks

[toxic pewter]

ya lich hero was a cool hero if I say so

honestly Lich could be a wow class perhaps

ehh maybe not actually

[tribal wharf]

frost ability was a literal nuke with slow, only thing that made it balanced was that it costed a fuck load of mana to cost

[solid sun]

Is there like an icd on procs or can it rapid fire

[cerulean tusk]

It explodes all ya cast down on gcd

[tribal wharf]

so you couldnt have autocast frost armor turned on

no lich thats just mage, i think mage replace a shitty uhh thane spec with lich

and another thing

like with lumbering

[cerulean tusk]

Remember it consumed the DND, it does not flare them up

[tribal wharf]

we had autocast in warcraft 3

i think there is like a handful of abilitiies, like warrior ap shout, that should be auto cast options

and its you can only select 1 i think it is max per unit for an autocast if there is more than 1 autocast spell, so 1, maybe 2 for wow

[cerulean tusk]

You know it had autocast to make the RTS newbie friendly, ye?

WoW does not need autocast

You only got one character to control, not 30

[tribal wharf]

well and you have 30 abilities to use per class

at max lvl

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but no base building, no macro and not over 100 commands a minute that require you to swap entities

You cant be comparing the two

Surely not

[tribal wharf]

my proposal would be it can only do a simple long form buff, and a defensive ability so AP buff for pwar and ip every 3 seconds (priest with fort and bubble would be better analogy

cuz ip has a cost

[solid sun]

Oooo what if a dungeon was base building

And army commanding

[tribal wharf]

i mean i guess pws does too, but

[solid sun]

It could be like a third of the dungeon is you in the base building phase and then the last two thirds play out like one of those destiny warrior games

[tribal wharf]

so the auto cast would be very weak and never be cast for damage, or it would always be low tier dps

[cerulean tusk]

This autocast idea hurts my soul

WoW is simple enough already

[tribal wharf]

i have no idea how a dungeon as a base building would work, what in the fortnite are you on about

[solid sun]

It’d be so sick

Five people in the party build a base and train their own elite team of npcs to be their soldiers

[cerulean tusk]

Well, you got a stream of friendly NPCs that spawn from buildings you build. As you push in, you can get more recourses to upgrade and or build new stuff

[solid sun]

And then the rest of the dungeon is five armies fighting the enemy

[tribal wharf]

how about battleground for tarren mill

for pvp

[cerulean tusk]

PvP is dead

[tribal wharf]

rip

[cerulean tusk]

Only PvE is allowed

[solid sun]

That’s where autocasting belongs

In pve

[tribal wharf]

yes thats what i was going to say too

[solid sun]

Don’t have to worry about even footing when everyone is autocasting. :>

[tribal wharf]

well if its lowcasting D tier spells

and buffs

[cerulean tusk]

Dont encourage this brain rot

[tribal wharf]

all i know for sure right

is there is like what, 12 buttons on 1 action bar

and then i go to set it up for warrior and it takes all 3 of them to put all my buttons on

and then i go to paladin, priest monk all the rest and its the same thing each time

[cerulean tusk]

If only we had a brain and fingers to work around this "problem"

[tribal wharf]

i think there is just a button bloat problem

[cerulean tusk]

It really isnt, if you remove optional actions, you go down to like 10. You can put all you need on a controller if you really want

[tribal wharf]

i have to go to something total brain rot like a rogue, or fury warrior to get 15 buttons

[solid sun]

Didn’t most specs just lose buttons lol

[tribal wharf]

i havent totally seen the tww/midnight button removal thing but i read the wowhead thing on it, and i saw some other post on it i think to

and i think tldr is most classes are losing like 1-2 buttons

on average

[pastel summit]

It was so funny logging monk after Warrior and just 30%+ of my stuff is gone.

And a quarter of my binds on Warrior are opt in because it's either talents I don't take for 0.4% more pve damage honor talents. 🚬

[round pendant]

bububuhbuht I need THREE action bars!!

[tribal wharf]

i mean

unless i want to start macroing things together

which from what i understand you dont really do anyways

[solid sun]

I don’t think most specs have a button bloat issue

[tribal wharf]

alot of the simple dps specs dont sure, and depends on your talents slightly

[solid sun]

I haven’t looked at every spec for Midnight but I have a hard time believing there’s much bloat. If there is I reckon just an outlier or two

[tribal wharf]

i think it is mostly problem for harder dps specs and tank healer

cuz a rogue i can get by on 2 bars

as an example how many buttons i can play doom on, with green being hit all the time and red being never

[cerulean tusk]

You press f9 but cant hit shift commands, I dont even

[tribal wharf]

very very simple answer

f5 is default quick save (no prompt) and f9 is defualt quick load (no prompt)

its like that and thats the way it is

[cerulean tusk]

What does this got to do with wow tho

[tribal wharf]

in a game like that that i enjoy i have like 10 buttons effectively

so i can get immersed into playing the game and fall into its traps

then its enjoyable and i have fun and want to stick around

[neon elk]

How tf are u fine with pressing f9 but refuse shift

[tribal wharf]

cuz, capslock is ~~hold ~~ toggle run button at all times off/on

but there is some times you want to walk and not run, so caps and shift is essentially same button

99% time you want to run

turn off run button is good way to die fast in doom lol

[toxic pewter]

The community continually harasses tanks

[jagged pier]

community blames tanks for anything and everything

community why are there no tanks left

[undone beacon]

yeah i fuckin hate tanks

those guys stink

[pastel summit]

Queue pvp with pve friend who wants to learn, they get harassed. Do keys with pvp friends wanting to get into pve they get flamed

Lot of rancid humans out there, usually languishing in lfg and for good reason

dps who pulled 2 extra packs: lmao this route is so over count

[cerulean tusk]

Tanking = Have an extreme attitude of 'I dont care what you think, believe or expect, I am doing my own thing. Keep up.'

Failing that, you will burn out and fast

[toxic pewter]

I take a zero tolerance policy myself, anytime I am harassed in any way, shape, or form I immediately cease any and all actions and confront the harasser. This often leads to the key coming to a halt at that time and place, but I feel it is the most appropriate action I must take at that given time. I have received criticism from others regarding this, but I will continue to do this until my last breath.

I must defend myself in this life, as no one else will

[solid sun]

I say hi

I let people know I’m a press W enjoyer

I make sure I’m marked so I can be seen easily and remind people to just stick with me

And then I hide the chat

If someone doesn’t like something I never know

[toxic pewter]

<@&257983573498265600>

[tribal wharf]

oh ya

[solid sun]

I used to get really caught up in complaints

It was a huge mistake

I distinctly remember that one dungeon where the first boss was the goober that would have like lanes of bad and you moved to the save lane

The second boss was the two headed giant

Then there was the dragon where you could stand in that little cubby

And finally the faceless old god whatever dude with mass tentacles

The beginning of that dungeon was the worst. If I didn’t pull in a very specific way people would flood the chat saying we weren’t going fast enough and I sucked. If I pulled how people wanted they would die and I’d still get blamed because it was too much or too hard

I just stopped doing that dungeon all together

[undone beacon]

Grim Batol

https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif

[solid sun]

lol

Just the very first part

It was so awkward

There was the pack before the entryway to the rest of the dungeon and a pat right around the corner and more stuff over towards the end and everyone I pugged with seemed to have different opinions on how much should get pulled simultaneously

Hopefully none of the next dungeons are like it. Since then none of the dungeons have been so… annoying

[untold phoenix]

God I remember it like it was yesterday

That dungeon was so rough lol

People are saying maisara is gonna be the grim batol of MN s1

[solid sun]

No one is saying that

There shall never be another grim butthole

[drowsy comet]

[solid sun]

Never again

[lusty grotto]

i liked grim batol

prob my fave dungeon in that pool

[coarse bay]

Ya it was so good

[lusty grotto]

and it was an extremely well done remake

probably one of the best if not the best remake for keys

[solid sun]

I don’t see how

[tribal wharf]

better than that uldaman key

i hate that place entirely

[solid sun]

That’s a pretty low bar though lol

Uldaman was long and full of awful mobs

most dungeons are better than it

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/stickbug-stick-bug-get-stickbugged-Wrh8aL75aj4uZwuqta

[tribal wharf]

my thoughts is under no circumstance, should the trash be able to just 1 shot you

unless it's like 1 big dude doing it

on the very first pack

like uldaman

minus 10 million aura

[solid sun]

I don’t know that I ever died at the beginning of uldaman

I do remember the opening pull of GB being murderous for most of the group though

[azure crag]

Getting one shot by trash sounds like the average blood dk experience

[drowsy comet]

today was actually a good day, got some kids really mad xD

[coarse bay]

getting one shot by trash sounds like tww s1

[solid sun]

Cam doesn’t get one shot by trash because they’re too good

[coarse bay]

nah i just got 1 shot

where r keys @toxic pewter @undone beacon

[cerulean tusk]

Mass pull whiteswingers, someone AoE ccs them where stagger movement is hard to do right

Purg pops with you at full health, gg ez clap, insta death through purge

[undone beacon]

It’s a big chores day
Plus I thought APB was putting it together smh

[coarse bay]

apb dislikes us i think

[drowsy comet]

He gets 2 shot

[solid sun]

APB doesn’t put keys together

He pugs them and then comes here and complains about the pugs

And then we’re like why didn’t you invite us and then he says I don’t think about it. I’m used to playing alone because I always tell it like it is

[toxic pewter]

I am just really bad at social related things

[solid sun]

It’s okay

[toxic pewter]

I do not know how to interact with people

like for some reason i always got along better with strangers

Prob just too afraid to make connections

it my defense mechinism

[drowsy comet]

I can talk better to ppl older than me than ppl same age, always was better tbh

[daring marlin]

do better

[toxic pewter]

[undone beacon]

Social prog is the hardest prog of all

[cerulean tusk]

why do social prog, when you risk meating a random pash in the forest

Imagine meeting me in the wild, a much better fate I am known as toxickitty for being so nice

[undone beacon]

That’s so true bestie

I’m always lurking

[cerulean tusk]

https://media.tenor.com/v0bM3DoJHBcAAAAM/bear-bear-attack.gif

vs

https://media.tenor.com/lfDATg4Bhc0AAAAM/happy-cat.gif

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-naturalist-minecraft-minecraft-memes-gif-25836722

This is literally me

[cerulean tusk]

vs

https://media.tenor.com/2hgvlFi-p5oAAAAm/the-cats-are-cute-too.webp

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-mad-cat-mad-death-stare-gif-2007099240114134459

Cat lurking

[cerulean tusk]

Me when I dont get invited to the group

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/realkimdahyun-rhino-dead-gif-21335364

The reason I don’t get invited to groups

[cerulean tusk]

The litteral walking tank in here

[pale wharf]

question should i upgrade my 121 gear from the event or nah

[cerulean tusk]

i mean, why not?

[sharp gale]

Do whatever you want, in 2 weeks we all vendor sell our gear

[pale wharf]

lol true

[cerulean tusk]

but but but but but but, minmax leveling!

[cunning oriole]

Has there ever been a good answer why they can't make at least 1 legendary item relevant in multiple expansions? Scaling/upgrading has become integral to the retail game...so what am I missing?

[cerulean tusk]

Cause it would hardlock one slot down, and ppl dont like that - the ones who got it are set, the new players will hate not having it

Made simple: ppl are crybabies nowdays

[cunning oriole]

make it an evergreen class questline?

[cerulean tusk]

you want a spec to never use that gear slot again?

[cunning oriole]

I mean...you're using it? I guess it's not getting thru my thick head

[cerulean tusk]

Basically, ppl want upgrades, and they find things boring when they cant get them. Let us say you make a weapon the legendary in this system, then they will be also locked out from ever equiping a cool weapon effect

[round pendant]

It's not like any gear slots have any value beyond the ilvl which you just upgrade anyway

You could have legendary weapons be upgradeable

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, this is what I'm saying

[round pendant]

Maybe make it like an endgame thing you can unlock to enable your legendary weapon to be equipped and upgraded

[cerulean tusk]

Now that said, I can see some cool potential in it. Sure.

Would, say, DK work - if you made their runeforging weapon mechanic, where you took new weapons you get and your weapon 'consumes its essence' to grow in power be cool?

Sure

[round pendant]

it'd just be a glorified spec talent though

[cerulean tusk]

but it would annoy someone

[round pendant]

for the passive effects or whatever

[cunning oriole]

I mean, that's what the weaps coming from M+/Myth raid are anyway...

there's no real benefit between an axe or a sword or a staff

[undone beacon]

I mean, they had the Hunter legendary bow and the DF legendary axe span multiple seasons. Both had a barrier to entry and made it feel shitty swapping to that class mid season and having to try and grind it out

They could’ve kept like, artifact weapons or heart of Azeroth or something but yeah, just removed that slot from the loot pool

[cerulean tusk]

That fucking axe was horrible tho, as you were balanced around having it

that shit was 11% of your dam

[undone beacon]

Thats another issue, balance is based around having the legendary so without it you just feel awful

[cunning oriole]

Why not make the leg upgrades on par with the loot so you could choose?

[undone beacon]

Because then they’re not very legendary

[cerulean tusk]

Not having it = you are useless and the worst dps in the gae, is a horrible experience

[undone beacon]

They’re just another piece in that slot

[cunning oriole]

haha true, walked right into that one

Uggh...I hate the homogenization of classes I think

[undone beacon]

Like from an RPG standpoint it makes sense to have legendary weapons that’s span over long periods of time instead of rotting in a bank but, they kinda tried that with artifacts and abandoned it after legion because it becomes talents 2.0

[cerulean tusk]

who doesnt

[cunning oriole]

and yet...kudos to the devs for being able to do it

[undone beacon]

WoW has long since become an MMOrpg instead of an MMORPG

[cerulean tusk]

You mean SP game no?

[cunning oriole]

I kinda like the idea of talents 2.0

especially eyeballing the insanity of the talent panel now

[undone beacon]

I mean it lacks most of the RPG elements that it had in the old days

[cerulean tusk]

does it even have the mmo ones either?

replace the PuGs with bots, nothing changes

[undone beacon]

I have to herd 20 losers into a voice chat to do myth raid so, kinda

[cerulean tusk]

replace them with 20 Voiced AI agents

[undone beacon]

Introducing my new AI-powered agentic RaaS Platform for mythic raid completion

RaaS of course stands for Raiding as a Service

[cunning oriole]

lol

Isn't that what mission tables were?

[cerulean tusk]

nah, that is what yogi wish gameplay was

[undone beacon]

Fuck man bring back mission tables that I can do from my phone I made so much gold

[cunning oriole]

that I can agree with

of course, i already lose too much work focus on wow stuff

[undone beacon]

Instead of player housing they shoulda just brought back garrisons
It already has a lumber mill so Yogi woulda been happy

[cunning oriole]

I just know that I get almost no thrill from getting bis gear anymore

[cerulean tusk]

welcome to stage 3 WoW consumerism

soon it will go into stage 4, where ya dont care, but ya still play

[cunning oriole]

the thought of being able to go on a mage-tower-esque questline to get a badass weapon seems so much more rewarding

[cerulean tusk]

it does so, untill it comes out and it is either:
Too easy to be challenging
or
Too hard to be completed before you get benched for not having it

[cunning oriole]

boo this man!

lol

[cerulean tusk]

welcome to modern wow

[solid sun]

Should just make legendaries be in addition to standard tuning, not factored into it

[cunning oriole]

if Blizz could just figure out how to marry classic and modern games, id be in heaven

[pale wharf]

should i make set items or should i just upgrade and wait 2 more weeks

[cunning oriole]

how would that work?

[cerulean tusk]

yes

[solid sun]

You just ignore the legendary when you tune the specs

[pale wharf]

im gonna lose my mind

[cerulean tusk]

Then ppl get the legendary, and then the ones that got it dominates M+

[mighty valley]

So you just stack legendary holders

[solid sun]

Idc

[cunning oriole]

so it doesnt matter if you have it?

[solid sun]

Make them crazy to get like shadowmourn

[cerulean tusk]

Doesnt change the core problem

that power difference will have the whole game turning around it

[undone beacon]

It’s worth it to convert items to tier set because 4-set is just flat 16% bonus damage. Upgrading gear is not necessary but you can if you want

[cunning oriole]

Could they scale it in instanced content, like pvp gear?

[solid sun]

Wotlk wasn’t just filled with shadow mourners

[undone beacon]

Wrath was also a very different game than modern retail

[cunning oriole]

true. hell, even now it's a slog to get it

[solid sun]

Make it that difficult to get an most people still wouldn’t get it even in today’s game

Couldn’t stack legendary havers

[undone beacon]

So legendary holders would stack and congregate in small groups and charge people to be op in their raids or keys

[cerulean tusk]

And just kill off 99% of the playerbase will to push content?

sounds like a bad idea

[solid sun]

And ignore them and run content without them lol

[undone beacon]

It’s not feasible to have that level of exclusivity in a modern game with a rating system that doesn’t cap

[cerulean tusk]

Why would you ever do content without em?

[solid sun]

I’m not paying to do the content with them

[undone beacon]

Why would I ever bring a hunter without the godbow to a push key when a hunter with the godbow makes everything super easy

[cunning oriole]

why would it do that?

[undone beacon]

“LF godbow hunter +20 resil”

[solid sun]

Yeah and there are like 3 of them

[cerulean tusk]

cause ppl feel the powergap to be unfair, as it is so wide, and as such give up

[solid sun]

You’d be waiting a long time to do that key

[undone beacon]

In a game with millions of players, you want only a tiny fraction of players to ever see a reward they’re putting substantial time into designing?

[cunning oriole]

I dunno...if like, 1 person in my raid had a leg and that was it, I don't think anyone would cry about it

[undone beacon]

It’s not like a M+ title where you add the word “hero” to the end

[solid sun]

What

[cunning oriole]

it's not like they don't have the opportunity to get it

[solid sun]

If the tuning doesn’t factor the legendary, you don’t need the legendary to do the content or build your team

[undone beacon]

But if the legendary trivializes the content because it’s so powerful, everyone is still going to want one in their team

[solid sun]

Who says it trivializes anything

[mighty valley]

how exactly do you make it difficult to get without insane timegating

[solid sun]

You’re inventing reasons why it can’t work

[undone beacon]

So you make a legendary item so rare and cool only a handful of people will ever see it, and the incentive is solely prestige?

If that’s the case, whatever. Let the hardcore grinders grind it but that’s also never what a legendary in wow has been

[solid sun]

Ffxiv’s hardest raids provide purely cosmetic prestige items

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, but lets say you are warrior 1 and 2, he got it you dont. He does 10-15% more DPS than you, even if before the legendary you did 5% more than him.

That feels kinda stinky, no?

Ok, now you are doing M+, that guy is doing 2-3 key levels above you, through sheer DPS difference. Magnituted by stacking more legendary users together. Making what they do and you do 5-10 key levels apart. Even if you are his equal skill wise.

Kinda stinky, no?

[solid sun]

Is that bad

[round pendant]

Legendaries already become transmog now, no?

[undone beacon]

That’s not bad but that’s an entirely different game. Wow legendaries already have an expectation of power

And you get cosmetic rewards for doing the hardest content already

[cunning oriole]

Actually, I don't think so...this happens anyway with disparity in ilvl and skill level.

[round pendant]

wow gearing sucks anyway

[undone beacon]

I just think you’re conflating two reward systems

[mighty valley]

I thought you were saying they made you more powerful than “expected tuning” and now they’re cosmetic only?

[round pendant]

whole thing needs an overhaul

[cerulean tusk]

Oh you didnt play legion? Had bad Legendary RNG?

Maybe you didnt play Amirdrasil tier, getting the axe late?

The swing was huge.

[solid sun]

It can be either way. It can be a small boost where it’s your bis item but that doesn’t have to mean it trivializes any content

[cerulean tusk]

You went from useless, to top DPS from this shit. Skill remained the same

it was horrid

[undone beacon]

Legiondaries early xpac fucking sucked lol

[cerulean tusk]

Tell me about it

[solid sun]

It can be an insanely difficult large boost that rarely ever gets earned. It can be cosmetic. All seem fair to me

[cerulean tusk]

At least I could run fast and double jump

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, there's already "Raid BiS" and "M+ BiS"

[cerulean tusk]

Those are far from the same powerlevel tho

holey

[mighty valley]

Is it “insanely difficult” through time, or random drops, or requiring rwf-level challenges, or…?

[cunning oriole]

So why not a "legendary BiS"?

[solid sun]

Im open to any of those paths

[undone beacon]

But those are all substantially different meanings towards legendary

[round pendant]

or what about a moderately challenging piece of content that most people can do with a bit of practice

and it gets you like a 2.5% dps buff

and a pretty cosmetic

[mighty valley]

so like now?

[round pendant]

Sure but for every class, and they could tune the passive each tier/expac like they do with tier sets

And you need to do the equivalent challenge each season to upgrade last season's legendary to current season

[cerulean tusk]

Kill Ky'vezza week 1, gain 3% dam rest of expansion - rest get a 2.5% dam increase

[mighty valley]

doesn’t sound very legendary if everyone just watches the YouTube guide to get their guaranteed item every season

[solid sun]

lol

[cunning oriole]

Yes, exactly this

[solid sun]

That seems like a weak argument to me

Honestly

[round pendant]

in Legion you just got legendaries from random shit

not very legendary

[cerulean tusk]

Oh the RNG of it was legendary enough

Fuck that system

[round pendant]

it's legendary because it's bis and comes from something that isn't trivial (ideally)

it doesn't have to be only 0.1% of the playerbase gets it

[mighty valley]

did anyone at any point say that legion legendaries were a good version lol

[cerulean tusk]

If it doesnt make you fume thinking of it

[solid sun]

It really just sounds like certain people dislike legendaries and want them to stay away

[cerulean tusk]

ya aint human

[solid sun]

Which is totally fine

[round pendant]

Legion legendaries were fine to me because I got everything I wanted

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/boom-kaboom-blow-up-XbnSI4OJqKevcUAamj

[solid sun]

The only iteration of legendaries that has ever been negative to me was when my class was tuned around having them because I was never gonna spend the gold to craft it

[cunning oriole]

If everyone has a leg and they're just around to be picked up like Legion and Shadowlands, that's not the legendary I'm talking about

[undone beacon]

I think the problem is getting caught up on the term “legendary”. The fyrakk axe wasn’t really legendary it was just a cantrip axe with a grindy quest chain.
If it’s a rare drop chance and then timegated, everyone who wants to play optimized will feel obligated to farm it (fyrakk). If it’s solely cosmetic, it’s a nice reward for doing hard stuff (prestige mounts and titles). If you can only get it after killing the final myth boss X times blindfolded, then it’s pointless other than for cosmetics or farm. Huge differences imo

[cerulean tusk]

(that held you back for months, as you were balanced around it)

[undone beacon]

Fyrakk axe also cost a fuckin token in gold I swear

[mighty valley]

i think the wow player base has evolved to demand too much predictability for the game to support actual cool legendary items

[solid sun]

Yeah but I think the wow player base mostly is just exhausting and sucks

So f em

[sharp gale]

To me, legendary is just orange name, I don’t really have any vibe with it

[solid sun]

Gimme shadowmourn items

[undone beacon]

It’s an MMO(rpg) and not an MMORPG

[round pendant]

all I know is, current wow gear may as well be named "1h sword", "body armour", etc

cause it's all whatever who cares

[mighty valley]

i agree but my financial success doesn’t depend upon them

[undone beacon]

Fuck legendaries I want more cool kiss/curse items

[cerulean tusk]

oh no

not again

[undone beacon]

I LIKE KISS/CURSE SHUT UPPPP

[cerulean tusk]

fair enuff

[undone beacon]

[cunning oriole]

If you go through the hassle and grind of getting Shadowmourn, it should be relevant today. And I would say, good on you mate and not have a bit of jealousy for that

well, maybe a bit

[solid sun]

How about an exceedingly low drop rate oriented quest chain to craft a legendary that had kiss/curse effects

[undone beacon]

Honestly I just was so burnt on Fyrakk axe that I don’t ever want to deal with that shit again to be optimized

[cerulean tusk]

if the curse effect is that their character cant do any content ever

then sure

[undone beacon]

Everything about that axe felt awful to me

The abysmal drop rate, the tuning, the gold and profession investment, the grindy quests

[solid sun]

I never got it because I refused to spend all my gold on it

[cerulean tusk]

I was doing less dam than undergeared characters and by a landslide till I got that stupid axe

holey

moley

it sucked

[undone beacon]

There was that one quest that like, you had to have a pocket healer keep you alive so you could shove embers up your ass or something

[mighty valley]

early wow was able to trick people into thinking they were having one of a kind experiences

[cerulean tusk]

The axe did allow me to do 2h prot in a viable way tho

[mighty valley]

now everything is documented to death

so it goes

[undone beacon]

Exactly. Very different game

[mighty valley]

comparison is the thief of joy and all wow players do is compare themselves to others

[cunning oriole]

meh, I only do so to try and get better

[solid sun]

I only compare myself to cam and harrow

[cunning oriole]

but I'm a mid tank anyway, sooo

[mighty valley]

I agree with yam that wow gear is pretty boring now

But you see what happens whenever an item isn’t immediately obvious in power level

People are so afraid of being suboptimal that they just want to be told what’s good

[cerulean tusk]

Problem with WoW is very often how they balance it tho.

Got a trinky that summons a freaking commet from the sky, crashing down, animations going wild?!

Beaten by a statstick

[cunning oriole]

I kinda feel like those arguments are only good at the highest level of content

[cerulean tusk]

it trickles all the way down to the pet battlers