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quiet pebble
quiet pebble
and what would be better colossus or mountain thane?
quiet pebble
alrighto
solid sun
I miss Nish
coarse bay
I miss spell block
sharp gale
proud kelp
Hello! I'm learning Prot warrior (which I think feels totally awesome to play so far!) mostly so I can help tank M+ and alt raid runs during midnight for my guild. I'm wondering where to start with learning openers/rotations. I've always been a bit tentative trusting IV/WH for my main(warlock) and Method.gg is looking a bit dated (still mentions WA, Thunderous Roar, etc.) Any pointers?
proud kelp
Also, any good addon recommendations for threat management or anything like that?
proud kelp
method.gg is okay, but we have people writing for those first two sites
Good to know! THanks.
proud kelp
threat is = dps
Another good to know. Wasn't aware of that! So far I've just kind of been watching to make sure either the built in enemy nameplates look red or the plater ones look blue. Is that how you handle making sure you have aggro on everything you should?
lusty grotto
for the most part yea
target of target helps but that should be in the default ui
nameplates are for sure the first thing you look at
proud kelp
👍 Thanks, I guess I wasn't as far off getting started as I thought I was. Another question though: Any keybinding recommendations? Prot warrior has a lot of buttons! I've seen some stuff of like combining ignore pain/shield slam, but I don't know if that's a good idea or not?
lusty grotto
dont combine those 2 unless you understand what its used for
(its not for casting SS)
undone beacon
The ignore pain/shield slam macro doesn’t save you a keybind, it’s designed to snipe shield slam resets. There’s just a lot of binds but you get used to it
lusty grotto
like Pash says, you need a bind for SS by itself
if youre just starting out, i would recommend you keep an eye out on Shield Block (SB). You gotta maintain that first and foremost. IP (ignore pain) isnt a maintenance buff, you simply use it over 70 rage more or less as a rage dump
SB is your most important thing, as well as facing mobs so the block works - even sharpshooters or physical ranged type mobs
which you can block
SB effective uptime is our single most important metric
undone beacon
Shield block uptime and facing mobs is the biggest secret to not being dead
proud kelp
"IP (ignore pain) isnt a maintenance buff, you simply use it over 70 rage more or less as a rage dump" Thanks for saying that. Important thought I hadn't had. I had already been told by a guildie that I needed better uptime for Shield Block, so thats something I'm pay attention to as well.
lusty grotto
yeah, basically core protection warrior gameplay
proud kelp
Oh also, I notice nobody reccomends using Whirlwind anywhere in your rotation. Do you just not even bind it, or?
lusty grotto
no dont use it
undone beacon
Don’t bind it, or slam or rend
lusty grotto
☝️
rend is applied by thunder clap
so you dont need the bind
but it has to be talented
proud kelp
Okay, thought so on rend, glad of the confirm.
Yeah have it talented. Do you guys go explicit cast on Ravager or the proc one?
lusty grotto
the proc is better
there are some advanced use cases for Ravager, but thats nothing you should be concerned about cause its extremely min maxy
so yeah go whirling blade
proud kelp
Got it. Happy for one less bind to deal with anyway.
Thanks guys, this is super helpful.
lusty grotto
of course, let us know if you have any other question
proud kelp
Will do!
undone beacon
We prot warriors strive to be a helpful bunch amongst the shitposting and camaraderie
undone beacon
tribal wharf
im gunna have to restart part of a crusade
it didnt save properly so i cant make a video
lusty grotto
OH THANK GOD
we're back executing boys
and now i gotta redo my work on the APL
cat is not going to be happy after sandbagging demolish
that reap nerf feels slightly bad though
for fury ig
but i guess it makes sense consdiering execute reap
lusty grotto
no
tribal wharf
ya, so its a buff to thane
lusty grotto
its a buff to both
but yes execute is more damage as thane
because of thorim's
that has been the case since hero talents were introduced though
tribal wharf
if thane hasnt and isnt going to get nerfed its a nerf to col is my opinion
i think its like 1 in 4 plays col anyway
lusty grotto
very slight nerf
extremely small (considering Demolish damage is way over what it was before prepatch)
and basically only in AOE
balmy crescent
How is prot warrior doing? Are they atleast good?
undone beacon
Prot is in the top 6 for sure
balmy crescent
Hahaha
undone beacon
Prot is fine though. It’s very tanky, deals alright damage, isn’t super complex to play
If you want to play Prot in midnight you’ll be in good hands
balmy crescent
Prot is fine though. It’s very tanky, deals alright damage, isn’t super complex ...
Yh looks like I will main prot cos arms seems dead rn and I don’t enjoy fury
tribal wharf
we will be in top 7 when shaman tanks
undone beacon
When shaman tanks exist all other tanks immediately become irrelevant
solid sun
That doesn’t sound right
tribal wharf
block cuz shield + dodge cuz agility
deals a ton of lightning damage and uses nature spells and totems to help
cuz warrior has block + parry and dk has parry + absorb and paladin has block + heal
druid and brew just have like, ton of dodge
it'd be based around blocking, so a broken mechanic, and dodging, a RNG based mechanic
they can give them that shit thrall used on garrosh in wod
that the ground lifts them and grabs them and deals a ton of damage
in the cutscene
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
if im wrong tell me how
then we can also have another class with 4 specs like druid
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
i dunno it always bothered me since original wow
shamans can equip shields and then there is nothing directly or indirectly tied to it, ever since 2004 wow
undone beacon
That doesn’t sound right
It is right because shaman tank will be so cool and epic and no other tank will even hold a candle to them
tribal wharf
i think so yes
cuz its not like any of the newer classes they have introduced use a shield
i have alot of thoughts on this idea tbh
solid sun
It is right because shaman tank will be so cool and epic and no other tank will ...
This… doesn’t sound right
lusty grotto
too bad
toxic pewter
the spec tree is TOO DAMN TIGHT
lusty grotto
dont worry we'll have points for shit at 90
toxic pewter
i mean they all goin to apex talents perhaps
undone beacon
Yeah apb said spec, unless we’re not taking apex they’re designed to all go in there
lusty grotto
no
well
we do by leveling
kind of, we're forced to talent 3 points into that tier
undone beacon
They moved three talent points out of the final gate into the middle gate
so we didnt lose overall points, we're still getting more points in the last gate than we have now
Just not until 90
spare tartan
OK patch final coming. This week. And wars nerfed again
spare tartan
Nerf yo cut to bones gonna affect tankness of col
spare tartan
Why was war nerfed again. Kinda confused
lusty grotto
it wasnt
chilly brook
I mean execute was buffed
but other than that the other two changes are nerfs @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
hes just a huge mad yapper in beta channel
demolish aoe nerfed is not massive
again
the point of reference from TWW to Now
Demolish received a shitton of buffs in between
the net throughput will be higher than we have now
sorry than what we have before prepatch
remember demolish got buffed so it was worth using even at low colossal might stacks
demolish aoe is but a portion of colossus damage
chilly brook
a nerf is a nerf
spare tartan
I mean execute was buffed
Who using rage gcd on execute when u getting lots of dmg.
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
demolish was not mid
spare tartan
At least arcane demo and prot psli got nerfed
lusty grotto
1540% of Atk Power base coefficient is more than enough to disprove that
lusty grotto
thats still 1232% of atk power base coefficient to aoe
if the nerf is applied directly to it
it means nothing
revenge still carries colossus hard
aoe-wise
thats the bread and butter
spare tartan
Demolish was horrible to use before. Nerf to uncapped trends sucks to much now we gonna heal way less in big puls
spare tartan
We maybe be so broken we might get a buff hopefully heroic week
spare tartan
Holy pali dmg nerfed. Kinda confuse why. It's dmg was good but nit broken
undone beacon
what an absolute yapper
I think you forget he made a big show out of blocking you so you're literally preachin to the choir there
coarse bay
We maybe be so broken we might get a buff hopefully heroic week
We’re so broken good that we might get a nerf
lusty grotto
I think you forget he made a big show out of blocking you so you're literally pr...
im pretty sure hes looking at my messages regardless
urban bane
https://tenor.com/view/wall-ignore-talking-gif-8546458755648714651
(not nimchip, but dpsdmg)
undone beacon
Maybe maybe not but im just tryna save you the blood pressure lmao
lusty grotto
im just doing it more for the lurkers
undone beacon
a good man lookin out for the lurkers
bleak breach
@lusty grotto you know my biggest laugh?
People stressing about how we’re going to perform in Midnight raids when midnight raids aren’t out lol
bleak breach
They just gotta chill out
If you’re not in the race just play whatever you like lol, people care way too much about a buff or nerf.
undone beacon
i will say im still sadge they kicked spriests ST in the shins
a voidform buff is... nice i suppose but its nothing substantial
Hope they revisit that before season start
bleak breach
Plenty of time
You’re better off being crap before season starts so they buff you
If you’re over performing before season starts you just get nerfed
spare tartan
We’re so broken good that we might get a nerf
ikr
spare tartan
You’re better off being crap before season starts so they buff you
yea
spare tartan
People stressing about how we’re going to perform in Midnight raids when midnigh...
most of its is from m+ who cares about raids atm....
amber turret
spare tartan
prob is alot of people who dont play beta or never did talking about nerfs
amber turret
What am I missing? I don’t have this many points for last 3 rows
lusty grotto
that build is outdated
lusty grotto
use the wowhead or icyveins builds
amber turret
Ok thx
spare tartan
any time i type i message i keep sing blocked message after. do they have learning disability or something?
lusty grotto
where dungeons are just... press w
lusty grotto
tell him im responding to the other guy
also who the fuck uses light mode discord, holy crap
spare tartan
Just stress less
we will see i hope. just usual nonse level al ltanks and pick the one thats bufed on heroic week
lusty grotto
bleak breach
But it’s good if they’re all good?
Then you can literally just play whichever you like
spare tartan
yeah however its the stres
its remind me of tcg yugioh banlist and paranoid that happen before
amber turret
Also, just logged my prot warrior but I don’t have less buttons to press or did I miss smt?
lusty grotto
we only lost troar
undone beacon
Also, just logged my prot warrior but I don’t have less buttons to press or did ...
Prot didn’t really lose anything other than thunderous roar
lusty grotto
and last stand
spare tartan
bliz dont realise buy not comunicated their direction for classes tuning before hand they just create a paranoia
lusty grotto
so thats just 2
spare tartan
unnesscarrily
bleak breach
But why? If you’re good it really doesn’t matter what you play, especially on a tank the gaps are so miniscule
amber turret
Prot didn’t really lose anything other than thunderous roar
So just lost 2 cooldowns basically
lusty grotto
yup
bleak breach
So just lost 2 cooldowns basically
Last stand is passive anyway
lusty grotto
last stand is automatic now with wall
spare tartan
But why? If you’re good it really doesn’t matter what you play, especially on a ...
i am very old school i get attact to classes i play
i dont like swapin up musclememory liek that
i need to know whati playing before and then go all in on that
bleak breach
If you like it numbers shouldn’t be relative then?
spare tartan
So just lost 2 cooldowns basically
yeah however its also buff to self healing cus of dr on shield wall . beforeu would have long cd on last stand how u basicall have it every pull all the time
still hard to tell if really lose a cd however it does feel really bad using shield wall when all u want is a heal
lusty grotto
irrelevant, LS was a shit cd to begin with lmao
spare tartan
or vise versa
undone beacon
Impending Victory is good for that
bleak breach
It’s only a gain Dpsdmg.
There were 2-3 bosses total I had to press last stand in TWW the rest it was just to press another button.
spare tartan
its less optimal but it does give some more self healing thats not bad
spare tartan
It’s only a gain Dpsdmg.
There were 2-3 bosses total I had to press last stand i...
well i like it most of the times there times i dont like it like if i just wanna use dr on pull cus i do a long pull chain it feel bad wasiting the heall
if u pre use it
but u get way more last stand heals than u ever would get before
so good out weighs the bad
lusty grotto
def an improvement but absolutely not because of that
spare tartan
last stand on shield wall on cdr reduction is really good
jagged pier
It’s only a gain Dpsdmg.
There were 2-3 bosses total I had to press last stand i...
There were 0 boss where ls was needed
jagged pier
he thinks LS's heal is a huge deal
I meam he alsp think arterial bleed and using the bleeds as colossus is a big healikg increase tjat will save you
spare tartan
I meam he alsp think arterial bleed and using the bleeds as colossus is a big he...
it does when check thehealing profile all healing u get adds up.
the extra healing u get from bleed does help.
lusty grotto
spare tartan
also most of healing u get is from feul and leech
midnight is not tww, i know u dont play beta so its fine
but yeah midnight m+ as war is very different to tww
spare tartan
I did that skyreach pull with 24% mastery
thats good that u had a good healer to help
spare tartan
u talking about solo
thats fine mastery does nto matter on that
cus idied as i got to the pull
its good thatu did the pull doh its def shows u know uclass
that sky reach pull was to show intinidation shout how it cud help do big pulls
jagged pier
You literally were agruing the point that u need hogh mastery to do puls like that without dying. And u were the only one on beta doing those pulls
spare tartan
the post where mastery was a discussion
jagged pier
Thats liteeally what u and the other 2 ppl were saying tje otherday
jagged pier
I kept getting linked that clip the otherday when we were talking about it again
jagged pier
I was told well hes doing pulls and showing it
spare tartan
the cli pwas to show intinidation shout
jagged pier
And linking that 
spare tartan
if somoen refereence it for soemthign esle
thats fine
cus that why clip had attempt on it
on name was first time
it was horrible attempt aswel cus i used all my cds on way there
had none for when pull actual started
this why iam confused as to whati has to do wiht mastery to me.
however ifu able to do that pull that means u know ur class good stuff
jagged pier
'He takes less damage with mastery, therefore he can do pulls like this' was the point
spare tartan
what that have to do wiht me
jagged pier
however ifu able to do that pull that means u know ur class good stuff
No the pulls a joke its giga easy
spare tartan
now if uwast talk aobut this i would say
spare tartan
u doing it with low mastery stild odesn ot prov anyhitng
with out logs
how much did u acutal lock
was it rng
?
what was the pull
any clip
lusty grotto
yikes
jagged pier
It wasmt rng caise i did it more than once and in under 10 tries
spare tartan
it was completemnt
jagged pier
When i get to my pc i can send 2 clips if u loke
spare tartan
When i get to my pc i can send 2 clips if u loke
i ask for logs?
jagged pier
One i get yeeted off at the end cause i ddimt know there was a knockback
Im still waiting for your mc logs
spare tartan
?
jagged pier
U said u would dig out the other day
spare tartan
i posed it them before
jagged pier
No u didnt
U posted runs
U said ill dig them out the disappeaerd
The complained that beta wasnt updating
spare tartan
no i said cba to look
and did cus the discucson was already over
if show mc that woudl be different
show sky reach pull and u can lite dodge al the mobs
al the way there
stil kinda confused
as to how that show mastery
all it did was show u know ur class
spare tartan
and also u bring it up again random when i kinda indicated thati dont care when left the convcersation before
lusty grotto
now thats a back pedal if i ever saw one
coarse bay
his typing is kinda hard to read
spare tartan
waht areu on. that stil does not say whatu trying to prove . i left the convo cus uwere being weird liek this
andu were tlaking to other people
u aint get the hint
lusty grotto
hold on im grabbing a beer
coarse bay
this has to be like S+ class rage bait on the rage bait tier list
spare tartan
this has to be like S+ class rage bait on the rage bait tier list
it has to be
undone beacon
Why would you want molten core logs
jagged pier
And still havent linked them whats weird about that
lusty grotto
pretty sure he really believes what hes saying cammy
spare tartan
when we tlakign about bleed healing
coarse bay
@spare tartan im talking about u dog
lusty grotto
this guy is just annoying
jagged pier
The conversation has moved from.bleed healing that is irrelvant
spare tartan
he already ahve 2 hour agrument with some other guys about same thing. i left went about me day.
jagged pier
My point was what you saying and tead and do about the class isnt correct some of the time
shut summit
abrodus
jagged pier
And when asked to provided eveidence on things like your mc runs u still dont provide any
spare tartan
I did that skyreach pull with 24% mastery
telle me here beforeu saw anyhting peopel we talkin about mastery
thats rage bait
jagged pier
All i said was i did the pull u and and other ppl the other day were saying cant be done without high mastery the only evidence we were given was the skureach pull it was an added bit to the conversation
lusty grotto
i wonder if hes this "Dpsdmgwar" in Silvermoon EU
spare tartan
anways jsut like before when i left u agrueing with some other people about whatever. u got it!!
jagged pier
That conversation the other day was about mastery so disappearing when u cant provide eveidence twice jist proves u dont have it espeically after saying. Oh i have it ill get it
jagged pier
i wonder if hes this "Dpsdmgwar" in Silvermoon EU
We just dont know
lusty grotto
i mean he has some achievements there
i gotta say
its impressive
was it you cammy that said protagonist syndrome or who was it
i dont think ive seen a case as defining of that before
lusty grotto
ok well, whoever it was, they were spot on
coarse bay
sounds like a pash take
jagged pier
lusty grotto
i wonder how he matches up to alavisto, we will see
jagged pier
That was the second time i asked for those logs too iasked at the time like a week ago
Tbf im still waiting for that guy from S1 Df to post his logs showing u need 20% vers to do 20s
lusty grotto
jagged pier
I still want proof so i can tell people to adjust how they play
Like that guy that proved u can play itf in DB regarless or haste level
Has a log showed nothing melee'd, nice we have proof
I think his argument was u didnt need hr in any dungeon and just happened to link DB but it showed for that one at least u didnt need it
lusty grotto
yeah i recall something like that
cerulean tusk
Why the nerf to Demolish dam, it needed a buff and not a nerf
Pretty sure the devs just trolling warrior at this point for the lols
lusty grotto
i suspect they're just balancing around the fact that revenge got a 20% buff
so they are trying to even out aoe damage
im pretty sure we will get aura buffed
to get us up
cerulean tusk
So you remove AoE by nerfing the weaker of the two? Making the profile even more scuffed
Nah, they trolling
lusty grotto
no meme, yes revenge is weaker but it is casted way more frequently
since it has no cd etc, and is only dependent on rage
cerulean tusk
It feels close to a personal attack at this point
I just want to have fun
They say no
jagged pier
Why the nerf to Demolish dam, it needed a buff and not a nerf <:sadge:8202023633...
Well u see it did too much healing so it has to be nerfed
(Sarcasm)
jagged pier
Im still hoping for a ToN, icd or damage nerf
And maybe an apex buff but im not holding out hope at this point
lusty grotto
i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed ToN
but im pretty sure the ratios look good, they just need to aura buff
jagged pier
Nah its too strong for 1 point in aoe and the bigger u pull the better it is. But even at like low mastery and a reletive small pull size like 6 mobs it just beats out apex 
60% ap fine 120% nono
jagged pier
I think it should be run im m+ if u can take it, i dont think its a bad talent or design i jjst think it does a bit too much for where it is in the tree
lusty grotto
but honestly after the SS nerf it does make sense to buff the apex
jagged pier
Maybe but aura buffing is like the last ditch attempt to fix something broken
lusty grotto
sure, but it can also mean they have our spells in the right place and it would be easier to buff them all at the same time instead of one by one
in the right place when it comes to power
or throughput i guess
jagged pier
Rather they buff rage gen than aura buff if our spells are in the right place
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
lusty grotto
hmm..
that is concerning
will it take longer to get there than one season?
44% is a lot
im guessing it will be
if at all
jagged pier
U should be able to just about get there
Well u might be able to play it with lower but 44 is where feels good nome said
After 5 mins of gear on beta i was sat 30ish i think
lusty grotto
even in raid?
lusty grotto
ok ok whew
jagged pier
I mean thats always been the case
We will just see i guess i dont knoe the actual numbers but at 30 i was running hr for testing, didnt really swap to itf. But it did feel slow maybe itf would make it feel slightly better
spare sorrel
Damn did I miss the latest dpsdmg hieroglyphics
lusty grotto
Damn did I miss the latest dpsdmg hieroglyphics
jagged pier
But tbf i was wearing all tier and none of that is high haste i had no high haste gear expect 1 ring
So should be fine if u tried to get the right pieces
Just be ready to run HR for a lot longer that you are used to in m+ i suppose
lusty grotto
ugh
jagged pier
Or do what u want i dont pay your sub
lusty grotto
jagged pier
I really dont undersrand the changes this time around, not even just for our spec look fury avatar and bladestorm on the same node???
Like what
Its like theyve given the new guy warrior or somthing
spare sorrel
I really dont undersrand the changes this time around, not even just for our spe...
2 button bad, one button good
Player base is geriatric now bruh
jagged pier
lusty grotto
what i really dont understand is how arms has been absolute meh to play for this long
something tells me it has to do with pvp but... idk
and now arms is down bad
jagged pier
Well it might have been strong in raid at least as ive heard there a fair bit of 2 target cleave
lusty grotto
except for cleave spam i guess
lusty grotto
yea
cerulean tusk
To be fair, nerfing demo does help making only spam rev close to viable 
Wonder how far off we are by this point
spare sorrel
Does the execute buff change anything for us
cerulean tusk
10% haste making demo too strong, better nerf it again
spare sorrel
I would assume not but idk
jagged pier
But im wouldnt put it past u funky to have a build that only does ton and rev damage
cerulean tusk
I mean, why not play the game how they intend it
jagged pier
Does the execute buff change anything for us
We press it again
U can put it back on your bar and take the talents for it again
spare sorrel
We press it again
Oh goodie
jagged pier
I mean, why not play the game how they intend it
I really hope your wrong but, im starting to think your right
cerulean tusk
Just take how i enjoy the game, and inverse it. You got the blizz way
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
Tiny spam button and passives = 95% of the power, the button press of CD 5%, if you forget its fine
jagged pier
Like i did some meme stuff on beta even with the normal amount of mastery ton was like second on damage on like an 8 mob pull
Like
I hate it so much i want my button pressing to mean something
jagged pier
They one thing nice i have to say is pirecing howl is nice to have but then u also loose intim shout to take it so its not allt hat nice 
jagged pier
Tough as nails
spare sorrel
Gotcha
jagged pier
Has no icd
jagged pier
No
spare sorrel
That would be kinda hilarious
cerulean tusk
ToN is literally the only decent thing we gotten for the next expac
Cant wait for it to be shot
jagged pier
No we have had enough mastery cooking
spare sorrel
100% passive gameplay
jagged pier
Its all but useless in ST
lusty grotto
jagged pier
But in big pulls its good
cerulean tusk
This guy mashed a tomato and said he created the first tomato sauce
spare sorrel
jagged pier
Well this is like the 900th time the tomato has been smashed over the years
But this time its new
spare sorrel
And more tomato like
cerulean tusk
When i do it, noone bats an eye. When DPS does it it goes full burn the building. When sleepel does it, he gets pats on the head
How is this fair?
jagged pier
If it had an icd it would be fine, or if it did less damage it would be fine
cerulean tusk
If it got an icd the point dies with that change
Dont do stupid raid thing
I beg
jagged pier
Well argueable u dont take it for raid anyway
cerulean tusk
Shieldspike is meant for mass AoE free dam, it is why it is there
Give it an icd and it cant be so that
You kill it for no reason
Plz stop
Halt
Think
jagged pier
Yes free damage, not enough damage to outscale everything else and every other stat
cerulean tusk
They killed Demolish, time for the flat passive dam has come
jagged pier
I just said 2 ways to fix it
U fixate on the icd part i didnt say that was the only we to fix it
spare sorrel
When i do it, noone bats an eye. When DPS does it it goes full burn the building...
The way she goes
cerulean tusk
That do be so
drowsy comet
morning fart smellers!
drowsy comet
who is dead
cerulean tusk
Only clap now
drowsy comet
what happened
lusty grotto
cat memeing
cerulean tusk
Clap dev took demo out back and shot it, twice
lusty grotto
the important part is execute is back
cerulean tusk
Thane rejoices
spare sorrel
Thane gang rise up
lusty grotto
drowsy comet
kat go to sleep and stop memeing
cerulean tusk
They nerfed demo, ya know I am truth
They looked at Revenge and thought to themselves, ya know... It isnt big enough part of the profile yet before it is 55%
And they started hammering away
jagged pier
Thane gang rise up
I mean i would have played that in m+ most likely anyway
Raid 50/50 probs thane now tho to
Which is sad
Well tbf it was only aoe damage
So raid stonks maybe rises
Why can we just not have our rage gen back, its all i can think about now and its making me
drowsy comet
They nerfed demo, ya know I am truth
stop crying, it was way too op
ur a warrior like us
jagged pier
I do enjoy the conpisracy to bad its the basically the only to not have been confirmed true recently 
cerulean tusk
There is one good thing to come out of this tho
BDK looks like less of a stinky turd
If all are polished turds, then turds start to look nice comparably
Game design 10/10
jagged pier
lusty grotto
Unnerving Focus existed before the pre patch or am I misremembering?
And it was 50% rage gen during LS yeah?
sacred sleet
Is there any way to track tome of light's devotion properly now that WA is gone ?
lusty grotto
No
sacred sleet
rip 🙁
lusty grotto
Tome was a good boy
The bestest of boys
But alas
That being said you can still use it
Just no way to min max for the sword mode
jagged pier
i mean bosses last like 1 press anyways
lusty grotto
OK nvm on the unnerving question, I have my answer
drowsy comet
He a flat enjoyer
I usually like em big
jagged pier
and chonky?
drowsy comet
and chonky?
Yes
jagged pier
charred ivy
what did they change in warrior skills that made m+ recommended build change?
cinder ferry
I play bdk ,prot war, and prot pal. Last week all 3 felt amazing and I was happy with them. This week I don’t even want to log on and play. All 3 just feel terrible.
ionic fern
what did they change in warrior skills that made m+ recommended build change?
Which one?
On live they changed the number of nodes you need to go to the next section of the talent tree.
So trees had to be re-made.
charred ivy
ah probably this then was wondering what happened
cerulean tusk
I play bdk ,prot war, and prot pal. Last week all 3 felt amazing and I was happy...
Ye, this new BDK just doubled down the direction that already made it worse. It feels aweful atm
Warrior still plays ok, but they are slowly making it shit, one nerf at a time
cinder ferry
Ye, this new BDK just doubled down the direction that already made it worse. It ...
I’m a long time wow player and I decided to swap to tanking back at the beginning of TWW s3. I’ve never tanked before. So I spent a ton of time researching and learning. This is super frustrating. Hopefully they get everything ironed out. I have faith but the pain is real
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
I wish i have not been around for long enough to know that... It wont become better
icy yarrow
I lile devs saying they want to offer meaningfull talents choice while we get no option to play the class at 120 apm.
Fucking opa gameplay we got
ruby berry
I just keep 6 tanks relatively close post-prog and whatever feels good and fits my group I play for the rest of the patch. Nothing else you can really do with the timeline of balance these days.
jagged pier
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frozen berry
Hopefully the league mmo is still happening, that’s the last hope for a decent mmo
jagged pier
its not
round pendant
mmo is a dead genre
jagged pier
its really hard to break into the space, and even then most of them dont last very long
cunning oriole
Something something Apex talents... something something tier set bonuses
I mean, that is gonna make Thane feel a little better, right?
round pendant
god it's so cold in this here room
jagged pier
Something something Apex talents... something something tier set bonuses
Our apex needs a big old buff
cunning oriole
TC +10%, SS +10% plus the 200%/AP phys dmg buff isn't enough?
I mean, it's never enough, but I thought it was going to be pretty good
Plus the tier set bonuses of flat +10% to SS, TC and Revenge
jagged pier
Yes
Outside of ST taking more than 1 point is a bit questionable atm, we shall see what the sims say
The extra 10% on tc, yes i guess in m+ is nice. The extra 10% on the waves meh they do nothing anyway and they nerfed ss a fair bitty so 10% of meh is still meh and to just get the extfa 20% crit on ss. As i said sims will tell
drowsy comet
imagine you are single on valentines day, and get DM´d by a bot trying to sell you shit. Instead of blocking that, I lowkey tried to rizz this bitch up, yea im kinda bored
jagged pier
At least i have rugby to keep me ignorance to the fact i am alone
cunning oriole
Shit fellas, after two marriages and several one-sided relationships, being single on Valentine's Day is my Superbowl Sunday. I've worked hard for my peace and the ability to game whenever I want lol
round pendant
I'm kinda enjoying being single these last few years
I feel like people might put a bit too much weight on it
I know I did when I was a young whippersnapper
tribal wharf
for yam
theres also the doom movie, i think there is a sequel to it even, if you just want to do a "tourist" speed run,
hardy snow
can someone explain me what the hell kind of math is this?
undone beacon
It reads to me like they’ve standardized healer damage increases to be 1% per level across the board. Resto Druids before this likely like 75% damage bonus at 90, vs Resto Shamans who had 32%. Now it’s standardized to be 90% for all of them
So it’s a 15% buff to resto Druid, 58% buff to resto shaman, etc etc
untold phoenix
The "resulting in" part is explaining the difference between what they had before (some variable amount of damage per level) and what they all have now, 1%. Because that variable damage per level was different per healer, the effective boost varies
Smaller "resulting in" number = their existing damage per level was closer to 1%
hardy snow
that would make sens, but why they didnt add something like "(was 0.2137% per level)
such wording is so bad
untold phoenix
Because it doesn't really matter, what people care about is the effective boost
But yeah it could've been worded better to explain what I just explained (not everyone knows they already had a damage per level boost)
hardy snow
this wording reminds me of this meme
tribal wharf
X to doubt math
oh 1% per lvl, so 5% or 10%
and then i guess it assumes holy priest or paladin whichever its supposed to be doesnt cast that many offensive spells
best i can make of it with no context and bad wording
untold phoenix
An example would be like if it went from 0.5% to 1% per level, that's a 100% boost because it doubled
So you can kinda reverse engineer what number each healer had before by doing a bit of math
tribal wharf
the way they code the talents and game in general is fine
but good god can we have someone talk to the guys who made the function and translate what it does to english
so that the translated sentence appears on the tool tip
jagged pier
can someone explain me what the hell kind of math is this?
They let their intern do it
cerulean tusk
Why buff healer dam, when healers are doing about 3% of the run overall
Just make it 0
cerulean tusk
You will know the day they do
"my cds do damage? Not spread out over 100 effects, but just raw damage?!"
That will be you
cold shadow
hello, does anyone know if it is possible to track ignore pain as a "health bar" type of thing instead of just looking at the remaining cd and the number that goes up to 100?
jagged pier
U cant do that anymore
cold shadow
i cry
jagged pier
U also dont need to know that
cold shadow
eh, subjective, i found it easier to glance at
jagged pier
Sure
jagged pier
undone beacon
I think they should just remove colossus and give us a new hero spec like uhhhhh Mountain Thane 2
But instead of TC -> TB its Revenge -> Thunder Revenge
cerulean tusk
Instead of Thunder, lazers, kids love those
cunning oriole
hello, does anyone know if it is possible to track ignore pain as a "health bar"...
are you talking about like in this:
undone beacon
Take Elunes Chosen from bears and give it to warriors
Your bleeds are now arcane damage.
Avatar summons a Fury of Elune laser
coarse bay
That ui kinda too much
cunning oriole
Its an old pic, I've cleaned it up
undone beacon
Ok but for real I think if they ever added a Guardian <-> Resto hero tree it should be Drust themed with a bunch of bramble effects
cold shadow
are you talking about like in this:
is ignore pain there showing remaining durartion or how much absorb is remaining? i was looking for the latter
cerulean tusk
U dont need a bar that tells you if you are tanking, Cam?
cerulean tusk
undone beacon
U dont need a bar that tells you if you are tanking, Cam?
cunning oriole
is ignore pain there showing remaining durartion or how much absorb is remaining...
only duration, it won't do remaining absorb
cunning oriole
U dont need a bar that tells you if you are tanking, Cam?
helps in scenarios with pug tanks that are lower geared and I'm constantly ripping threat
undone beacon
Also came in “you are a cat” and “you are a bird” flavors
drowsy comet
i kinda wanted to play valo to bully some kids, but..now they bully me wth
why are they so mean smh
toxic pewter
lol
faint crest
XD
pastel wing
Is Thunderblast not supposed to reset Thunderclap when it procs or w/e? Feels really shit for it to be on CD when it pops up
toxic pewter
activating avatar resets TC/TB cooldown
but when you get a TB proc, that does not reset the cooldown no
cerulean tusk
solid sun
Hi
jagged pier
solid sun
Happy Valentines Day @coarse bay
coarse bay
Happy heart day to you too king
solid sun
I hope you are adequately wined and dined today
coarse bay
lusty grotto
What is going on here
cerulean tusk
What is going on here
toxic pewter
tribal wharf
100% frostfirebolt
pastel wing
but when you get a TB proc, that does not reset the cooldown no
that's so ass
solid sun
I wanna be like “you’re so ass” because we do that joke but this time it would be mean and this is BobAwesome not BobAss
So instead I’ll say you got a nice ass
Happy Heart Day
untold phoenix
that's so ass
It's made more ass by the fact that you don't want to use ava to get it back off CD, since that'll munch a TBlast (only stacks to 2 and ava gives 2).
So you're actually just forced to sit there waiting like 3 secs before you can use it lol
Making it reset CD might be a bit strong (since you could high roll and get several TBs rapidly) but they should make it stack higher so you can't munch them with ava
So you can always ava for emergency snap threat
remote ocean
does anyone know why there's an (*) after my guild name in like, the name above my character?
untold phoenix
Means cross realm. Your guild is not on your realm
untold phoenix
Nah not really
Guilds technically have a "home realm" which distinguishes them but all guild stuff is cross realm
undone beacon
i see. ty. does it matter at all?
You used to only be able to join guilds on your realm or cluster, now it doesn’t matter
untold phoenix
Yeah back in the prehistoric ages a lot more things were hard realm-locked so you had to find a guild on your cluster/realm
If you wanted to join a notable/famous guild you might have to realm transfer lol
God I'm glad they got rid of that nonsense
lusty grotto
pre TWW was prehistoric ages
but yeah it was only in TWW release that it was turned on
cross faction was in DF S2 iirc
pastel wing
I wanna be like “you’re so ass” because we do that joke but this time it would b...
I would heart react if there were reacts allowed
ebon geyser
Yeah back in the prehistoric ages a lot more things were hard realm-locked so yo...
Dang making me feel like a caveman..
Is there any tank that the offspec is not ass...
dusty orchid
Is there any tank that the offspec is not ass...
unholy is still giga even after nerfs
but then you'd be playing blood 🤮
lusty grotto
i cant think of any tank offspec that is not fun
aside from uhh boomy maybe
but i havent played it in prepatch so maybe it aint accurate
and arms i guess
toxic pewter
Arms fun
mighty valley
it must be so exhausting to be unable to play something that’s not currently a high performer
lusty grotto
if yall mean by power/dps, then: its prepatch nobody cares until all the tuning goes through and the season starts
lusty grotto
it must be so exhausting to be unable to play something that’s not currently a h...
nothing ever changes
lusty grotto
what are you basing that on?
toxic pewter
Just vibes
round pendant
Can't have any tanks if there's no one playing the game in general
toxic pewter
The vibes feel off
toxic pewter
Well today alone waited a while then I was like fine I’ll tank it
And this has happened a lot
round pendant
You think that's unique to prepatch?
toxic pewter
That is true it happens to be a bit before a new expansion is releasing colloquially called a pre patch
jagged pier
tank design in the bin next expansion honestly
lusty grotto
no yam, im saying that it would seem to be more than usual because its prepatch
cerulean tusk
what are you basing that on?
are you asking the OFFICAL FEELCRAFTER what he is basing his take on?
Really Nim?
Really?
toxic pewter
Yah lot of negativity in the air regarding tanks but I also can’t deny this happened before I suppose
lusty grotto
sure
toxic pewter
Well I mean the data is all there too
lusty grotto
you can base feelings on that, cat
mighty valley
Well I mean the data is all there too
Where
toxic pewter
I base thing on all sorts of datapoints
toxic pewter
I speak to many individuals and groups
round pendant
I have a migraine
toxic pewter
And they tell me answers to my questions
lusty grotto
wouldnt you think you would get more accurate "data" if you asked 1 trick tanks?
instead of the general random
lusty grotto
thats what im saying
toxic pewter
So I go out into the world and talk to real players
lusty grotto
oh we're not real players
toxic pewter
They all have trouble finding tank
lusty grotto
got it
round pendant
my prediction is S1 midnight is gonna be one of the worst seasons of wow in a long while
in all areas
toxic pewter
We are not really we are discord gamers
Huge difference
We are out of touch with the majority of players except me I go out and play amongst them
I am like a I forget the word
round pendant
uh, most of the people here pug a lot
jagged pier
i have to remind ppl about the average player all the time
lusty grotto
brother if you ask prepatch players that are doing stuff like leveling alts, obviously they will "feel that there's no tanks"
but if you ask TANKS
toxic pewter
Most players have to wait over an hour for a tank and just disband
mighty valley
apb is engaging in what we in the business call “just saying shit”
lusty grotto
and they tell you yeah we're changing roles... thats when you worry
lusty grotto
oh no my 5th alt that i spec dps on because i dont know how to play is having problems getting tanks
youre still not seeing it
lusty grotto
there has always been a drought
round pendant
I'd say when the season is still popping is like 10-15 minutes waiting to get a tank for any given key
worse the higher the keys
undone beacon
I just woke up what’s going on
lusty grotto
its not any different than any time in WoW
round pendant
which is still unacceptable, that's why I tank
lusty grotto
youre just overreacting to people playing the level alt and do shit prepatch content game
cerulean tusk
I just woke up what’s going on
go back to bed, bear
go sleep, Pash, sleep... yes, good warm sleep...
undone beacon
go back to bed, bear
mighty valley
i hope everyone has already learned that arguing with apb is like training with a punching bag
toxic pewter
Lol
We aren’t even arguing
We are conversing
We are all professional tanks here
mighty valley
it can be fun sometimes but it’s not like you can win
round pendant
I think apb is being a bit facetious
toxic pewter
There is no winning or losing
round pendant
mighty valley
yeah apb is often playing a character called apb
but the lines are blurry, sometimes he can’t help but be real
lusty grotto
'telling it how it is' means the thing youre telling is a fact, that is very often not compatible with feelings
toxic pewter
I am not even sure I know who the real apb is
Ok it’s a fact there is a drought. I will concede that no one not even I can say how midnight will be
lusty grotto
sure but that wasnt my point
toxic pewter
But I will say the vibes seem off
lusty grotto
my point is that if there's a drought, it will be bigger just because of the irrelevant content right now
toxic pewter
sure but that wasnt my point
What was your point
mighty valley
you haven’t really done anything to prove that the drought is any worse than the usual drought, or that it isn’t just because it’s pre patch when barely anyone cares about doing anything anyway
toxic pewter
Yes I also agree pre patch situation that’s true
lusty grotto
especially considering the fact that people just wanna level alts as dps
so more toons specced dps equals less tanks
toxic pewter
Right so there are less tanks
lusty grotto
if you toon by toon, yes every prepatch is the same
if you go by player, its very likely the same as any regular season
mighty valley
i think yam’s assertion that midnight s1 will be sub par is almost certainly true just since they’re trying to change more than usual so will miss on more fronts
lusty grotto
right
mighty valley
it’s more difficult to predict if it’ll work out longer term
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
the odds are certainly stacked against it
lusty grotto
well, sorry, i meant the odds are stacked in favor of yam's opinion and what youre saying Harrow
toxic pewter
I actually think season 1 will be a great season personally, but the vibes around it all are bad
I will tank for the people
I will lead the masses
round pendant
Player sentiment will directly affect how successful something will be
so you could say since the vibes are off
there'll be less players and therefore less tanks
mighty valley
idk, vocal player sentiment around Magic the gathering has been awful for years
while they’ve been selling more than ever every single year
it’s not always correlated
sometimes the community is just in a spiral
lusty grotto
sentiment doesnt matter if it doesnt have an impact in player population and financial gain
people can say i hate this game, but keep playing
toxic pewter
Yeah people will come for the elves to be honest. People love elf
And quel thalas is badass
round pendant
You can't deny that a negative sentiment makes it harder to retain players though
lusty grotto
sure
round pendant
especially in seasonal games where dooming inbetween seasons will make some amount of players just not come back
lusty grotto
thats 100% true
toxic pewter
The game itself is a lot better for new players now I think new player retention is a lot better
The lore walking and stuff people enjoy it
mighty valley
it depends if that negative sentiment is actually most players
*actually reaching most players
undone beacon
idk, vocal player sentiment around Magic the gathering has been awful for years
100% true, I’m in the vocal doomer category because I fucking hate Universes Beyond but, the game is more popular than ever so
tribal wharf
SHAME that lumbering is just walk up to a tree with a node on it and its a 1 time node pop with loot
round pendant
oh god
tribal wharf
but i suppose lumbering is in the game in spirit
mighty valley
100% true, I’m in the vocal doomer category because I fucking hate Universes Bey...
final fantasy card make me happy. checkmate
undone beacon
Did you guys know they have woodcutting in wow
tribal wharf
should be so simple, walk up to tree, take out tree chopping axe
undone beacon
final fantasy card make me happy. checkmate
TMNT card make me sad. checkmate jr
lusty grotto
the tangent has arrived
tribal wharf
swing at the tree till it falls over collect loot
undone beacon
Tactical yogi conversation nuke
tribal wharf
fuckin, its so simple
lusty grotto
indeed it is
tribal wharf
and then the reason you do it, is you can see the tree shake yourself and then it makes a lumber crack noise as if falls
lusty grotto
oh i thought we were talking about sexy times
tribal wharf
and you can do like, skinning to the fallen tree or just collect
mighty valley
oh i thought we were talking about sexy times
mwahi says this is a pg server
tribal wharf
so, im still half right about lumbering isnt really in game
dps meter is for sure though
round pendant
You're just moving the goalposts yogi
you said if you can go chop at a tree and get lumber
it'd count
tribal wharf
am i really though
tree model exists
axe models exist, attack animations exist for all races
toxic pewter
I agree with yogi the the lumbering situation could’ve been so much better. Huge missed opportunity
round pendant
Professions could be infinitely better in wow
mighty valley
to do what you wanted, they’d have to rework all trees in the entire world of warcraft
tribal wharf
and then its just the tree shakes, and a noise plays and then after 20 hits it falls over to side with a crash thud bump noise, and you can loot it, maybe with your friends
maybe the herbalist wants the roots of the tree
mighty valley
i’m once again pitching a mandatory service program where gamers have to work in game dev for a few years
toxic pewter
I am basically already a game dev
mighty valley
i’m going to get you with hammers
toxic pewter
tribal wharf
the future city meme image
is wow where they fix it
blizzard mdt and real lumbering basically
round pendant
i’m once again pitching a mandatory service program where gamers have to work in...
Kind of a fallacious argument if you ask me
My issue with yogi's suggestion isn't that blizzard don't have the time or resources to do it (they do), there's just simply no point as nothing in the game is designed to have actual professions like a game like runescape
tribal wharf
april fools day is still coming up so
mighty valley
My issue with yogi's suggestion isn't that blizzard don't have the time or resou...
how come you always think im criticizing you lmao
mighty valley
yogi was saying they have all the animations ergo it’s easy to achieve his woodchopping vison
tribal wharf
it doesnt feel right to me
that i go up to a tree
and find a big acron
and thats lumbering
round pendant
Whoa what the fuck nim