only doom 64 i kind of dont like, ps1, thats about it
#protection
drowsy comet
Doom 3
round pendant
No I mean which one if I play it and complete it earns ME the most respect from you
I need to become a certified yogi gamer
drowsy comet
Play DnD much cooler
round pendant
No
drowsy comet
Smh I should stop typing, every now and then when I type something the chat then goes dead silent...
undone beacon
im about to go nap because work is more or less over and im dead tired
round pendant
Sleep tight 
lusty grotto
solid sun
I’m trying to explain why I don’t want to flush a 12 year old water heater
Idk how to make my position any clearer
drowsy comet
I’m trying to explain why I don’t want to flush a 12 year old water heater
How do u flush that thing
dusky canopy
Bro if they want to argue with the hired help just send it and let them learn
drowsy comet
Bro if they want to argue with the hired help just send it and let them learn
Or go away and let them do the stuff on their own, git gud
coarse bay
Back in my day we just tap the bottom of water heaters with a hammer and see if it goes through
And by back in my day, i mean i just made that up to get attention from @solid sun, the superior man
drowsy comet
How many boomers do we have god damn
lusty grotto
its a 21 y/o game, what do you expect 
coarse bay
How many boomers do we have god damn
Im not a boomer sir, ty
coarse bay
Nope
drowsy comet
its a 21 y/o game, what do you expect <:keks:936231610850897992>
Young mfs like me 
lusty grotto
youre a glitch in the matrix
cunning oriole
How many boomers do we have god damn
Soooo many
And wtf, my DAD is the boomer
I'm just GenX
solid sun
How long have you been playing wow
drowsy comet
How long have you been playing wow
Since November 
solid sun
lol
solid sun
Was there anything in particular that got you to come try it out in november
Not even a new expansion release or anything
cunning oriole
drowsy comet
Was there anything in particular that got you to come try it out *in november*
Heard Legion Remix was hyped and got it
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
Oh come on, I prepared my spray and everything
lusty grotto
its probably gonna be SL
cerulean tusk
legion remix was fun for sure
sharp gale
wod classic hype
solid sun
Legion remix was cool
tribal wharf
drowsy comet
wod classic hype
classic players stink
tribal wharf
watch the terror in this poor man
sharp gale
classic players stink
wow players stink*
lusty grotto
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342766218358423564/1465799341511016508/...
i will not allow this
tribal wharf
as a giant trap is sprung on him
drowsy comet
wow players stink*
Why u here then 
lusty grotto
happy speaks truth
cunning oriole
Can you imagine warfronts with remix power levels?
drowsy comet
What he say? Didnt understand besides Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck
cunning oriole
Island expeditions?
cerulean tusk
Why u here then <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
cause he likes the smell
tribal wharf
he said WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING
cerulean tusk
Can you imagine warfronts with remix power levels?
already boring content, being even more boring?
sharp gale
lusty grotto
what would you like as remix, cat?
drowsy comet
Do you sweat when you play hockey
Outdoor sports? Nah i play games in my freetime and bully some kids online ingame 
drowsy comet
Midnight remix when
drowsy comet
Or shadowbringers remix
Playing just to experience sum story
lusty grotto
cat went to sleep
solid sun
I play wow for the story
dusky canopy
Put that foot away now!
cerulean tusk
drowsy comet
katze
cerulean tusk
Nothing
drowsy comet
Bruh
drowsy comet
what would you like as a remix version
Wotlk
drowsy comet
Do the flop
lusty grotto
wtf do i keep getting klippy in this one, is my vpn on or something
isnt klippy for EU
drowsy comet
Who tf is klippy
tribal wharf
What he say? Didnt understand besides *Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck*
also thats pretty much how he speaks during game sessions
lusty grotto
ah yes ai slop
drowsy comet
Haters will say its fake
lusty grotto
our favorite
drowsy comet
see
lusty grotto
I just looked at Execute dam value
im so sorry
drowsy comet
Ok wth is that lol
vivid orchid
Yep literally never worth pressing
lusty grotto
it feels bad
cerulean tusk
it is negative
lusty grotto
but the SS nerf feels worse
drowsy comet
Time to move pala hm 
cerulean tusk
Yeah but how do you fuck up execute being value per point of rage?
drowsy comet
Our damage is awful
U lost ur fancy name
cerulean tusk
it should be impossible
drowsy comet
apb became a normie
toxic pewter
drowsy comet
glitch in the matrix
cerulean tusk
Rat, why execute so bad
lusty grotto
its ok cat, surely blizzard will buff execute by 10%
lusty grotto
it was too good for an entire expansion
drowsy comet
its ok cat, surely blizzard will buff execute by 10% <:clueless:1099922541923024...
He sleeping ig
lusty grotto
wym
cerulean tusk
execute with DW is 10k value, revenge is 11.5k+mods
lusty grotto
cat there
cerulean tusk
10% aint enough
drowsy comet
Thats kitty
cerulean tusk
I am cat, Kitty is the goth girl
drowsy comet
no thats cat
No this is patrick
drowsy comet
I am cat, Kitty is the goth girl
I wanna meet kitty now
cerulean tusk
10% down on rev isnt enough tho
lusty grotto
drowsy comet
lusty grotto
ok just revert all 3 changes
cerulean tusk
Execute is down BAAAD
lusty grotto
and we good
cerulean tusk
how much did they nerf Deep Wounds and Exe to reach this point?
or did they just overbuff revenge
my brain
lusty grotto
20%
cerulean tusk
does not compute
drowsy comet
Think they want to bring all tanks near in line tho
toxic pewter
i think during df execute also suked ass at least one season
toxic pewter
oof
drowsy comet
drowsy comet
I am so annoyed
Dont be annoyed
cerulean tusk
guess I remove it from my bars
vivid orchid
You can bring tanks in line and have appropriate proportions at the same time though
toxic pewter
yeah that pretty awful
lusty grotto
-20% execute, -20% SS, +20% revenge, cat
toxic pewter
also new deep wounds insta nerfed like wtf we coulnt even have fun with it for a moment lmao
lusty grotto
dw wasnt nerfed this time around
toxic pewter
oh i tohught it was
cerulean tusk
No?
drowsy comet
Nerf all damage done by add. 15%
cerulean tusk
why it so weak then?
:(
Why isnt it more value per point, than an unmoded revenge?!
solid sun
We need answers quickly
toxic pewter
which 1 of u work for blizz
cerulean tusk
AAAAAA
solid sun
Cat has to leave in 4 minutes
drowsy comet
Damn
lusty grotto
DW was nerfed the last go
cerulean tusk
DW was nerfed the last go
lusty grotto
yeah well
solid sun
We shouldn’t be getting nerfed
vivid orchid
Don't have numbers, just that dw adds 45% to col execute
solid sun
Only buffed
cerulean tusk
I hope the devs hit their toe on an iron pole
lusty grotto
i cant explain it either, other than tank damage in general was too high
yeah im talking base
solid sun
Tank damage should be high
drowsy comet
Does he have adhd or sum? Kinda sounds like it, which ofc is normal but would explain
lusty grotto
yeah i agree
vivid orchid
Dpr is beyond fucked yes
lusty grotto
at least the decision is easy
solid sun
Math is actually notoriously difficult
cerulean tusk
Math is actually notoriously difficult
NOT WHEN IT IS LITTERALY 10 IS LOWER THAN 15!
pallid quiver
Tank damage should be high
Tank damage should be high, Healer damage should be high, and DPS should just have a screen linking them to poorly animated infant stule cartoons telling them how super special they are
cerulean tusk
solid sun
Tank damage should be high, Healer damage should be high, and DPS should just ha...
I agree
lusty grotto
but def does feel bad to have execute shot in the back, at least its not DF levels yet
solid sun
NOT WHEN IT IS LITTERALY 10 IS LOWER THAN 15!
lol
drowsy comet
Its fine guys, surely we get buffs, right
toxic pewter
is the math done for this
lusty grotto
you can untalent heavy handed
drowsy comet
lusty grotto
i mean cat just explained damage per rage
toxic pewter
oh lol
lusty grotto
thats sufficient math
toxic pewter
let me scroll up was eating
autumn roost
hmm
solid sun
See cat
sharp gale
Do you search your own name in the discord ?
solid sun
Math is notoriously difficult
autumn roost
Yes
autumn roost
Guide links usually link my name, it's an easy way to find it to make sure info is correct
cerulean tusk
Lets see, Revenge is worth 8.2k dam per 20 rage, execute is worth 10k per 40. So 5k per 20 rage.
Revenge does 8.2k x3 on 3 targets
Execute does 5k x3 on 3 targets
I dont know
sharp gale
They would never, at least not by using your full name
cerulean tusk
Lari
autumn roost
Clother says "daddy"
remote ocean
do you all strafe on q and e, or a and d?
toxic pewter
a d
sharp gale
Strafe is go left and right ?
remote ocean
Strafe is go left and right ?
mhm.
toxic pewter
q and e prime keybind spots
remote ocean
ty. gonna try wasd for a bit, this feels WEIRD though.
toxic pewter
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1471258480303...
ty
lusty grotto
lets see if we can prove this really quickly
sharp gale
ty. gonna try wasd for a bit, this feels WEIRD though.
Q and E are too good buttons for me, and I don’t need to turn my char with my keyboard
toxic pewter
colossus needs some better snap threat worst snap threat tank hero spec in the game i think
remote ocean
mhm. ive had q w e as movement forever. and left a s and d for keybinds. but like. with backpedalling for tanking, wasd makes more sense
awkward to get used to it but gonna try it for a bit.
dusky canopy
plus it's a way to make sure <@224952758808215555> isnt shit talking me
I never shit talk Larias he’s my favorite GM
cerulean tusk
lets see if we can prove this really quickly
two casts of revenge on ST, vs one execute
sharp gale
mhm. ive had q w e as movement forever. and left a s and d for keybinds. but lik...
Whatever your fingers prefer makes more sense, whatever you choose
ionic fern
Execute is garbage right now.
toxic pewter
yeah damn literally gonna unbind execute
ionic fern
Enjoy your free talent points.
ionic fern
untalent heavy handed, go ToN
That is indeed the logical course,especially for MT.
ionic fern
TaN nerf soon. ™
lusty grotto
it makes me mad too cat, dw
cerulean tusk
TaN nerf soon. ™
DONT YOU TAKE THE ONLY GOOD THING AWAY
toxic pewter
lol nooooo
sharp gale
mhm. ive had q w e as movement forever. and left a s and d for keybinds. but lik...
Whatever you end up with, you just need to be able to do your rotation while always being able to move your char in every direction / fingers wise
cerulean tusk
I enjoy my shieldspike, haters can leave
mighty valley
why everyone calling it ToN
toxic pewter
lol
remote ocean
mhm.
cerulean tusk
Cause TaN is silly
toxic pewter
oh true
cerulean tusk
ToN is better
mighty valley
Tough of Nails
solid sun
Mwahi we all know you work at blizzard why are you going to nerf TaN
toxic pewter
gonna call it nt- nail tough
lusty grotto
i agree with this one and i usually disagree with cat on naming conventions (COUGH DEMO COUGH)
tribal wharf
just call it spikey boy
toxic pewter
haha
solid sun
ToN actually stands for Tough on Nails
lusty grotto
youre getting arrested right now
toxic pewter
demo in my head is the lock spec and i guess demolish yeah
solid sun
Like a cleaning product is tough on stains
lusty grotto
demo is demo shout OKAY
toxic pewter
omg
cerulean tusk
demo in my head is the lock spec and i guess demolish yeah
See?!
toxic pewter
yeah demo shout oof
cerulean tusk
I am right!
lusty grotto
no bad cat
cerulean tusk
Demo = Demolish
ionic fern
Mwahi we all know you work at blizzard why are you going to nerf TaN
It's silly. Went from 30 to 120 percent AP scaling and has no internal CD.
lusty grotto
lets go back to ToN
mighty valley
tough on nails, tough on the causes of nails
cerulean tusk
Rat takes another L to his nest
ionic fern
Meanwhile execute is in the bin.
cerulean tusk
It's silly. Went from 30 to 120 percent AP scaling and has no internal CD.
Silly fun
ionic fern
My magic eight ball says,TaN nerfs and Execute buffs.
toxic pewter
what else sucks now that I can get more points
cerulean tusk
show is over
dusky canopy
What’s a ToN
toxic pewter
me
dusky canopy
It isn’t the dps numbers that’s for sure
mighty valley
What’s a ToN
Tough Oas Nails
sharp gale
It’s a brainrot
dusky canopy
Tough Oas Nails
Harrow I tried my joke and it failed 😞
cerulean tusk
ToN nerfed
lusty grotto
But you said we were staying here. We wouldn’t jump ship like rats
excuse me?
solid sun
excuse me?
That’s what cat said
cerulean tusk
all of ya
autumn roost
I never shit talk Larias he’s my favorite GM
smart
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
can i just ditch punish and other shield slam talents for other stuff
dusky canopy
smart
Bro you found a message with your name (not tagged) in it from the other day that is dedication! 🤣
toxic pewter
not sure what tho..
mighty valley
can i just ditch punish and other shield slam talents for other stuff
for... what
ionic fern
can i just ditch punish and other shield slam talents for other stuff
You Are the official feelycrafter after all.
cunning oriole
reroll prot paladin
cerulean tusk
If you dont want to, fight! FIGHT Mahkarn!
toxic pewter
going to ride the 20% slam nerf into new territory
lusty grotto
cease apb, your rage baiting is no bueno
cerulean tusk
Make sure Mwhai doesnt get ToN nerfed
toxic pewter
i mean shield slam not even top 3 damage aanymore
toxic pewter
well yeah the rage comes
cerulean tusk
SS is a builder, it should do even less dam
toxic pewter
im moving on from it being a damager dealer
lusty grotto
its still supremely rotationally important
sharp gale
SS is a builder, it should do even less dam
Shut up furry
toxic pewter
O_O
cerulean tusk
Huh?
solid sun
APB has decided he just wants to vibe tank. No rage needed
sharp gale
Your fury brain is impairing your judgement
toxic pewter
im switchin up the whole game here
mighty valley
when you say "punish and other shield slam talents" which other talents are you talking about
dusky canopy
If you attack my cat pic, I will end you
Wait that’s not a dog!?
cerulean tusk
toxic pewter
when you say "punish and other shield slam talents" which other talents are you ...
well basically ditch best served cold an punish to pick up 2 other things
I guess uhh
i dunno yeah theres nothing else to get
sharp gale
Ditch every shield block source, trust me you can survive
mighty valley
i don't remove binds easily
polar pelican
Clother says "daddy"
i think my dad is younger than you actually
mighty valley
it took me years to remove my devastate keybind just in case it ever became a thing again
cerulean tusk
it is in protest
autumn roost
i think my dad is younger than you actually
lol
cerulean tusk
we will also shut down skyhold soon
cerulean tusk
@ionic fern get it done!
toxic pewter
get what do we want again?
dusky canopy
i think my dad is younger than you actually
Probably same
ionic fern
What are we shutting down?
toxic pewter
doing a paladin protest
dusky canopy
Bruh yall trying to stoop to paladin level
cerulean tusk
surely that will fix things
dusky canopy
Yikes
toxic pewter
dusky canopy
Warriors gone soft
cerulean tusk
it is over
toxic pewter
u not wrong i am ashamed.
lusty grotto
at least we execute as fury and arms
dusky canopy
Arms does Prot dps might as well play Prot and be a liver
mighty valley
is execute that bad...? if it's also doing a 145% ap bleed?
dusky canopy
Dude it’s like 58k vs fury’s 80k
solid sun
Can I have a moment of sincerity please
lusty grotto
oh you meant in ST
tribal wharf
dusky canopy
Surely that aura buff inc
solid sun
Are we actually not pressing execute as it currently stands?
tribal wharf
i would guess thats pretty close to what new build will be like
lusty grotto
it'll be back
tribal wharf
other than storm shield
lusty grotto
but for now we ignore it like in DF
solid sun
mighty valley
you know what the greatest recent change is, actually
no more "fbv or brutal vit??" posts
lusty grotto
same with troar vs spear
ima try to see what changes i can do to the apl tomorrow
and by try i make no promises
solid sun
I already made apl changes
ionic fern
I already made apl changes
Do I dare to check?
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
big dam
Murlocks go MrGLRLGLRG, I go HAHAHAHAHA
ToN is the only thing that makes me a bit happy about Pwarrior atm
if they nerf it, it is just over
tribal wharf
at last i shall have revenge
strange night
TaN seems boring AF, having to rely on it would be a shame
lusty grotto
why would you rely on it
toxic pewter
Nothin to really rely on
toxic pewter
It’s actually just a cool flavor ability I’m all for it
strong forum
💢
lusty grotto
sir, its staying ToN
strong forum
nuh-uh
toxic pewter
Been dead for 4 years straight
solid sun
@ionic fern if my amended apl is wrong it’s cat’s fault
strong forum
ton makes no sense
cerulean tusk
Sounds better
lusty grotto
you forgot question mark
solid sun
I don’t question cat
toxic pewter
I got an idea we can meet in the middle of I hearby name it TN
strong forum
I didnt type it like that
cerulean tusk
I got an idea we can meet in the middle of I hearby name it TN
Die
strong forum
i typed 1 3 4
strange night
My bad for spelling mistake 😉 Not really a fan of having to have mobs attack me to damage them
cerulean tusk
ToN or riot
toxic pewter
LOL
strange night
Feels bad again slow hiting mobs and casters
strange night
But i guess it's personnal feeling
strong forum
we actively lose dps if we slow mobs attack speed via rogue dk or warlock 🙂
lusty grotto
there's nothing to complain about
strong forum
nice game
cerulean tusk
anyone know how you get to move this window?
I am allowed to move the spawned parts of it
just not the main window
lusty grotto
lol
strange night
How about mini tank game to reap off aggro if you have to have enemy attack you in order to have full potential ?
toxic pewter
@cerulean tusk wait aren’t you running like a mastery versa build or something right
toxic pewter
Lol I think you mentioned it in beta channel or at least argued for it or something
lusty grotto
TaN has had +threat since TWW it means jack shit
toxic pewter
I dunno
lusty grotto
if youre relying on TaN to get or maintain agro, youre doing something very wrong
cerulean tusk
but it also should do this kind of dam
toxic pewter
What that mean tps
lusty grotto
threat per second
cerulean tusk
Threat Per Second
toxic pewter
Ah
cerulean tusk
Can you lads move the native DPS main window, or nah?
I am going crazy with this blizz UI
lusty grotto
ok but did you put a checkmark on the damage meter check box in edit mode?
glad magnet
I think there is some bug and you gotta delete some blizzard config somewhere
glad magnet
I don’t know which one though off the top of my head
lusty grotto
you put the checkmark on and then move it
lusty grotto
interesting
cerulean tusk
off
lusty grotto
weirdge
glad magnet
TBH just turn the meter off and install loggerhead and live log and put it on the second monitor esp with augs slamming
cerulean tusk
If I turn off it in advanced settings, then it just doesnt work at all
I hate this beta testing
Why dont WoW got a beta?!?!
glad magnet
The whole games a beta
glad magnet
Yeah that’s what I was talking about
toxic pewter
I can’t move one of my three damage meter windows on the beta
cerulean tusk
This feels like the early 2000s
toxic pewter
So it’s prob a bug
cerulean tusk
:(
toxic pewter
Like two move
But third just stuck
May be worth making new window
see if it moves
glad magnet
This feels like the early 2000s
I mean it is early 2000s, we still have like 74 more years till 2100.
cerulean tusk
god I hate the native UI
give me fucking settings to set sizes
I beg
stretch it to make it longer, it widens
???
why
do what I ask
I beg
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
drag it to the bottom, it stretches up instead of locking to the bottom
why?
cause fuck you
that is why
glad magnet
Crash out cause no details smh my head
cerulean tusk
Details keep bugging out
I am sick of it
It keeps going "no new event" hurr durr
vivid orchid
details is now just a skin for the built-in meter
cerulean tusk
hurr durr
hurr durr
durrr
hurrr
I just want to see number
is that too much to ask?
Details, drools and goes "HurrDurrrDerp"
glad magnet
Details keep bugging out
Come play TBC https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rizzdamage-meter
glad magnet
cerulean tusk
I swear, the they used AI for this
like who made this and went "yes, this, this is good enough"
why is it forcing this gap, but if I overlap it by 1 mm
it does this
why?!
Fuck you
that is why
lusty grotto
cat having a breakdown
lusty grotto
you
cerulean tusk
Take their money back, they already used it on food, pull the fat out of em and resell it as soap
I want my money back
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
there there, its gonna be alright
lusty grotto
as opposed to the worst UI before?
cerulean tusk
I want to go back at this point
bring back addons, WAs, all of it
at least addons was made with love and care
lament osprey
You don’t like corporate UI?
tribal wharf
i mean there is these things called share codes
probably a great thing for a raid leader
cerulean tusk
as opposed to the worst UI before? <:keks:936231610850897992>
I got a random chatbar down here now
lusty grotto
lmaoooo
cerulean tusk
I am out of words
mighty valley
(me loading up literally any game i ever play but wow) god. corporate UI again
lusty grotto
no thanks, we're good
cerulean tusk
That might be their next step
selling BlizzUI skins
and yes, they make them actually functional
SO THINGS WORK
glad magnet
Clic the element you’re trying to move in edit mode and use the arrow keys to adjust by 1 pixel at a time. Hold shift then arrows for 10.
tribal wharf
i mean, thats a good idea in theory
if it works
thunder for thane and shaman
holy glow for paladin and priest
cerulean tusk
Clic the element you’re trying to move in edit mode and use the arrow keys to ad...
but it wont allow me to save, before they are forced to overlap, or I move the elements enough stretching them
good advice tho, but this blizz editmode is cursed
glad magnet
Turn off snapping?
cerulean tusk
it is off
You got a cheatcode to have windows stretch without disforming tho
=_=
that would save my headache
pallid quiver
(me loading up literally any game i ever play but wow) god. corporate UI again
okay, hear me out
you can solve that by starting to play Uni with me
lusty grotto
cat, surely it cant be worse than moving the MRT notes window lmao
mighty valley
And put up with the slop shoveled out by the French Bread Corporation?
cerulean tusk
I love MRT note windows :v
well, maybe the functionality, more than the note window
lusty grotto
you move it a bit, it goes to africa
cerulean tusk
I just left it where it was, I used a WA to annoucne it
Remember WAs?
I remember
glad magnet
Remember WAs?
TBC
glad magnet
glad magnet
Can’t have things too close to edge
cerulean tusk
I cant use editmode on this window, as it is the DPS meter sidewindow, for some reason
I beg to differ
glad magnet
Different window
glad magnet
One’s a primary DPS window the other is a beta DPS window so it goes below the alpha
cerulean tusk
kill me, Rat, do it now
glad magnet
Yeah
cerulean tusk
I rather delete WoW
glad magnet
Quazii style
cerulean tusk
Quazii is apparently a headset dented person
glad magnet
We’re all dented in skyhold
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Is Quazii the guy who burned his ship and stuff?
glad magnet
First case of people demanding accountability from the manager. I’m MY corpo America? REDICULOUS
cerulean tusk
I mean, he was the bossman that approved the changes to implemented in the end. If it was done wrong, it could just be fixed after the fact and the lazy dev replaced
toxic pewter
my head is not dented
glad magnet
Is Quazii the guy who burned his ship and stuff?
Stacked details still good
cerulean tusk
It aint
glad magnet
my head is not dented
Yes it is
glad magnet
Details RIP just log
toxic pewter
I have literally had other individuals call my head 'maginficent'
glad magnet
I have literally had other individuals call my head 'maginficent'
Not talking about that one have you given a photo ID to discord to talk like that?
glad magnet
I don’t believe you. They’re in the DK discord
lusty grotto
which one
glad magnet
The good one
lusty grotto
so neither of them
toxic pewter
this is widely regarde as best spec discod in the entire wow discord universe
glad magnet
I like hunters. They have a public theory crafter channel that’s fun to watch the convoluted expressions to maximize the 3 keybinds. This one’s neat though.
toxic pewter
phrases I will never say for 1800 ALEX
'i like hunters' LOL
GOT EM
i still got it
vestal ridge
hey, did they change the tree skill to adapt it to lvl 90 so there are certain end nodes in the warrior tree skill that we used to have but now we cannot have until Midnight is out and we can get to lvl 90?
lusty grotto
hey, did they change the tree skill to adapt it to lvl 90 so there are certain e...
correct
you can read about it in #updates-midnight
vestal ridge
you can read about it in <#1234949058121171069>
ahh perfect, thanks
lusty grotto
pre it was 20 points now its 23
glad magnet
Gotta make sure getting our new talent points feels impactful. I still don’t like we have throughput on the class side. Really feels like it should all be in the spec tree.
glad magnet
No I don’t mean while leveling up. All the DPS is in the bottom of the class tree so need it to be the points we add while leveling.
glad magnet
Well yeah but if we already had them then as we level we wouldn’t really take them so we wouldn’t feel like we’re growing stronger. So had to raise the gate some.
mighty valley
adds another to my personal list of "people who use the word throughput"
toxic pewter
im on that list
solid sun
Didn’t Harrow teach us that it doesn’t mean what we think it means
mighty valley
it's just a really weird word for the community to glom onto
cerulean tusk
even without murlocks, nails got decent value
I really hope they dont nerf it
this is a nice place to be in
Just nerf revenge 50% and buff Demo 100%
and we guchi
lusty grotto
they will if you keep posting these breakdowns
cerulean tusk
Hopefully they see the breakdown and go "wtf, demo weak af"
and buffs it to be #1
cause that is where it belongs to be
"but funky, demolish got hurricane jr effects!"
sodd off and die in a swampass
Demo should be the #1 dam, I wont budge
remote ocean
does anyone know why sometimes i get 2 charges of heroic leap?
vivid orchid
evoker
mighty valley
demolish does give you a huge package of other benefits not reflected on the damage meter
cerulean tusk
demolish does give you a huge package of other benefits not reflected on the dam...
🫵
solid sun
Why aren’t you thane you jackrabbit
vivid orchid
even so raw auto attacks are nipping demolish's heels in single target in some cases
mighty valley
bro i'm starving for real logs, beta can't end soon enough
vivid orchid
go log abberus mythic solo or something it should work fine
cerulean tusk
solid sun
Number slop
solid sun
I tell you what I feel like I’ve really mastered the nomenclature around here
solid sun
I don’t see a problem
cerulean tusk
those two need to swap spots
solid sun
Just change the names
I mean
solid sun
38 casts vs 591
cerulean tusk
I hate that logic
so much
so extremely much
Demolish is the payoff ability, what the build is all about
it shouldnt play seccond fiddle
it is the DIVA of the performance
cerulean tusk
Cause higher CPM of an ability =/= should have more impact
revenge is a filler, Demolish is the payoff
solid sun
I think you can see why that doesn’t seem like a fair representation though. It isn’t just higher CPM
It absolutely demolishes demolish in usage. They aren’t even close
Not even in the same league of usage
mighty valley
have they really gutted shield slam this much? dang
mighty valley
yeah i was seeing logs from earlier in beta where like... shield slam was our only damage source lol
cerulean tusk
I dont mind SS being weak tho, it still performs ok for what it is
I SWEAR
I RELOG
mighty valley
so -20% didn't feel like it would bring it as low as i've seen in a lot of these screenshots
vivid orchid
yeah they dont keep data its really dumb
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
but the visual is locked top right
like
what the actual fuck
is this fucking shit UI
game piece of catpiss
cerulean tusk
Demo discussion is all about preference
solid sun
Game piece of catpiss indeed
cerulean tusk
some like things being "ok, so i press this many times, it should be big"
I am more - "Press big button, I win"
If I dont win, why press button?
it is pointless
why have it?
just remove it
round pendant
Nice UI
solid sun
I mean if they wanna make it be more I don’t mind. I just think it’s weird to discount the logic presented
You hurt me in my heart
cerulean tusk
Cause I disagree with the logic to the core of my being
round pendant
What logic
cerulean tusk
Many press = good dam, one press doing "ok" compared to one press = ok
solid sun
I don’t think it’s weird that revenge is doing more damage than demolish when revenge was hit 600 times and demolish was hit 40 times
cerulean tusk
DEMOLISH IS THE PAYOFF
Payoff should be top
It aint about CPM
it is about effect
Even if I pressed Demolish once, it should be top dam
it is THE payoff for the whole spec
round pendant
Yeah idk I think demolish was sold as the "hits like a truck" button
And it has a long cd
vivid orchid
i mean the skills animation also indicates such a thing as well
solid sun
It’s up there
lusty grotto
which is why it got buffed last time
solid sun
It’s number 2
lusty grotto
revenge is overbuffed for sure, but youre also casting it way more often
on any given timeframe
round pendant
Imo it should be above revenge
vivid orchid
its at 234.72% ap rn which is fucking insane compared to previous coefficients
round pendant
Revenge feels whatever to press, demolish feels good
lusty grotto
i would be more upset about the execute nerf in general (and SS)
but ill leave cat to sandbag more 😉
round pendant
Can someone show me a breakdown of how it is rn
round pendant
Should be ss = demolish > execute > revenge
cerulean tusk
It’s up there
it really aint
round pendant
That's the most fun
cerulean tusk
Should be Demolish, Rev (or SS on ST), Rev/SS and then the rest
vivid orchid
cerulean tusk
Demolish should be topin all scenarios
vivid orchid
this is your lord chamberlain fight
cerulean tusk
no question
vivid orchid
so pure ST
lusty grotto
yam was asking for a breakdown cat
cerulean tusk
It cant look wrose, it is always shit
lusty grotto
oh wait thats a pre nerf breakdown whoops
cerulean tusk
Only halfway doing a bit, Demolish is honestly too weak
mighty valley
if they make demolish hit so hard even on its longer cooldown that it's your top damage in all scenarios ON TOP OF the thousand other benefits it gives you
they would have to siphon more damage from our other abilities, making them even less satisfying
cerulean tusk
Revenge can take the 50% nerf
it is fine
Revenge down 50%, Demo up 100%
ez fix
round pendant
Yeah there's only 100% to work with ig
Revenge feels so whatever but it also feels bad when it's just a wet noodle
undone beacon
Yeah I agree Demo Shout just doesnt do enough damage
round pendant
Maybe just delete revenge?
undone beacon
vivid orchid
very substantial amounts of your revenge use is with fairly high colossal stacks, and seeing you have the revenge talent this also significant amps revenge
lusty grotto
just revert the execute nerf and we'll be fine
cerulean tusk
How will that save demolish tho
cerulean tusk
very substantial amounts of your revenge use is with fairly high colossal stacks...
and with rav proc :O
So many modifiers
Doesnt change my point
Demolish needs a bump up
lusty grotto
cat go to sleep
lusty grotto
i believe it
vivid orchid
so something I dont have info on is do ravager procs (not the on use skill) provide the new damage amp benefits or is it just the one talent
errant wagon
is this damage dooming chat? DId a raid reclear yesterday and my damage was so poopoo
lusty grotto
is this damage dooming chat? DId a raid reclear yesterday and my damage was so p...
well yeah we got nerfed
hardy snow
is this damage dooming chat? DId a raid reclear yesterday and my damage was so p...
ye, its bad, and I played bad last week compared to today :v
mighty valley
so something I dont have info on is do ravager procs (not the on use skill) prov...
it reads to me like the amp is only on active ravager
errant wagon
i'm freakin doomin my guy
lusty grotto
then dont
vivid orchid
easy enough to check
lusty grotto
doom when we're one week away from s1
there's nothing relevant in the game right now and all of this can be tuned easily
round pendant
I love in a perpetual state of doom
cerulean tusk
I feel like S2 tww colossus was pretty good
Demolish was still in need of a buff
vivid orchid
appears to do so
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
its still not worth getting