I am surprised it is this lazy, and untested. Especially since it is the same event as before and with the same problems
#protection
cerulean tusk
daring marlin
No. It's always bad. Are you even listening?>
of course not
"no guys really it's the worst now"
and then next time it'll be the worst ever, and the time after that
and so on
cerulean tusk
I mean, I cant think of a worse one. Especially since it is a copypaste with the same issues and bugs
daring marlin
undone beacon
I just don't understand why you're trying so hard to defend a shitty product. The state of the game is disappointing. Just because it has been in the past doesn't mean you should accept shitty products now
Like you're going out of your way to defend what is objectively a shitty prepatch
Its so weird
coarse bay
So expect shit, and accept it?
undone beacon
Guilford out here just shoveling slop into his mouth and going "its fine i expect this"
coarse bay
Wild takes
cerulean tusk
I mean, we are wow players, we will eat the shit and pay while doing so
coarse bay
Pretty much
undone beacon
I'll eat the shit and pay but I'll still be rightfully frustrated and not go out of my way to defend it when its bad
coarse bay
But we also have the right to expect a certain level of integrity from blizzard
cerulean tusk
I lean more on the side of: what did you expect
undone beacon
I had hoped they'd do a better fucking job
coarse bay
Didnt expect good, but certainly not in such a bad state
cerulean tusk
I simply just dont engage with the content and wait it out
coarse bay
Like the ui and content in general was not ready for release
undone beacon
Yep. Thats why I'm playing other shit and will grab whatever fomo rewards there are in the last few days of the event when (if) they fix it
cerulean tusk
Someone gotta Alpha test, who would that be if not us
coarse bay
The people that did alpha and beta tests lmao
undone beacon
the people who pay for beta access >:(
undone beacon
blizz literally has people PAY THEM to do QA for months in beta and we still get this smh
cerulean tusk
Sure, but why do that when we pay em and do if
undone beacon
thats what im sayin people pay blizzard to beta test
coarse bay
Beta/pre-release is bad culture imo anyways. At this point its just treated as a real game and not for testing and improvement
undone beacon
Live is the test
I wish you were wrong, I really do
cerulean tusk
I know, but greed always win
coarse bay
Ive defended the direction blizzard was taking a lot
Like the addon and pruning changes
But they have absolutely failed in the time theyve had
undone beacon
No but thats okay because did you play the wrath prepatch
coarse bay
Lmao
coarse bay
Like 3 months of beta and weve had so little improvement to the ui
I wish blizz used ai slop
The game would work
undone beacon
Pash, you lashing on a guy that left
Thats like 90% of what this server does smh
cerulean tusk
Talking about dreams, gl hf lads
undone beacon
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
solid sun
Do you count islands as part of whatever continent they’re closest to
coarse bay
Talking about dreams, gl hf lads
o7
cerulean tusk
undone beacon
Talking about dreams, gl hf lads
solid sun
Or are islands not part of it
undone beacon
I think i default to the closest continent
Like Japan is part of Asia, its not outside of continental jursidiction
coarse bay
I would as well
daring marlin
Like you're going out of your way to defend what is objectively a shitty prepatc...
bro thinks I'm defending it lmao
undone beacon
bro thinks I'm defending it lmao
daring marlin
sir are you ok? take a break
coarse bay
Indeed
undone beacon
sir are you ok? take a break
Thats literally me rn idk what you're on about
solid sun
There were several anime gifs in the love wins search but i wasn’t familiar with any of them
So I opted for whoever this is
coarse bay
I think thats an actress for an amazon prime show
solid sun
tribal wharf
i thought i was all out of doom (heretic) content
but it turns out there is more
more pain and suffering for me
mighty valley
Do you count islands as part of whatever continent they’re closest to
Britain is a part of Europe no matter how much that chaps their ass
warm plinth
I learned today that Greenland is apparently part of North America geographically
solid sun
But what if Europe says they don’t want ‘em
warm plinth
I don't think Europe can talk
solid sun
Wow
How rude
I always thought it was funny that Greenland is all icy and Iceland is all greeny
tribal wharf
i learned about greenland and ice land from mario 3
prisma crane
anyone getting tooltip errors when you hover over gear in your bag where it only shows your equipped and not the item itself?
tribal wharf
I learned today that Greenland is apparently part of North America geographicall...
this is doom done dumb
rtx, voxel, extra super lighting...? no.... dooom eviroment already plenty dark enough as it is
ppl abuse rtx like ai, set everything to max
i think it looks really gaudy and cheap
warm plinth
anyone getting tooltip errors when you hover over gear in your bag where it only...
Yes. Also HI KROTOS
prisma crane
Yes. Also HI KROTOS
ahoy! and good to know... hopefully it gets fixed... was hoping it wasnt tied to an addon or something
round pendant
Wtf I missed the drama cause I was asleep
round pendant
@undone beacon You're completely right btw, I also get the "the game has always sucked tho" argument when I complain about slop content
Idk why wow players are so against criticism towards a product that costs them a few hundred bux a year, it's wild
round pendant
Wait what drama
Things looked a little heated above
undone beacon
I got a wee bit uncharacteristically flusterated 
round pendant
This has only made me respect you more 
undone beacon
round pendant
I just read more of that discussion and it's annoyed me too
echoes of frusteration
cerulean tusk
Ya still yammering about that 
round pendant
nah I just noticed the server disappeared from my list
round pendant
daring marlin
Idk why wow players are so against criticism towards a product that costs them a...
Don't lump me in with WoW defenders. I quit playing when I'm not having fun.
round pendant
Sure, me too
But the "just play something else" or "unsub if you don't like it" argument against valid criticism is insufferable
I like the game and want it to be not shit, since it has had periods of being very good in the past
daring marlin
But the "just play something else" or "unsub if you don't like it" argument agai...
Nothing is gonna be good 100% of the time and never will be. Holding off for a month and playing when the expansion actually drops is entirely valid.
round pendant
It's not a valid argument against criticism though
It doesn't excuse them putting slop content into the game that costs money to play
lol
daring marlin
Complaining in a discord vs not giving them your money. Which will they hear?
They made many changes based on the latter.
round pendant
And ofc nothing has a consistent good-ness for the whole time as everything fluctuates but I've not seen many games that regularly take nosedives like wow does
round pendant
Complaining in a discord vs not giving them your money. Which will they hear?
I do both
But your arguments come off as more as "I don't want to hear you complain just don't play and fuck off" more than anything
You could just not engage in the topic
daring marlin
My entire point and the very first thing I said was "dang nothing ever changes"
round pendant
Not saying that's actually your intention but it's very common with people defending shit content/direction in this game
daring marlin
I stop playing for a few years and sure enough I'm seeing the exact same thing people have said in the past.
round pendant
Which, to be clear, you are defending if you're shutting down negative discourse
round pendant
I stop playing for a few years and sure enough I'm seeing the exact same thing p...
yeah
That's fair
I mean I think it's a side effect of wow having zero competition
daring marlin
WoD was objectively one of if not the worst time ever (for certain people)
There were a bunch of end of expansion slogs that were terrible
But now a month of the game "being broken" is suddenly thr worst it has ever been
I dunno. Glad I don't have a lot of time now I guess. I might be annoyed if I spent a lot of time a day playing.
round pendant
I feel like Legion prepatch was pretty good
but it might be rose tinted goggles
WoW just feels like it's never reached it's potential to me
somber hollow
But now a month of the game "being broken" is suddenly thr worst it has ever bee...
maybe because there is a mountain of issues, and given blizzards track record its not going to improve
with all this ui and classes being bland shit is looking really bleak
besides, how can you fuckup a prepatch event
the most cookie cutter shit there ever is
round pendant
It's just very weird how the game ebbs and flows
It's like every time the game is getting good they decide to take drastic measures to ruin it
somber hollow
i really love this game and time i've spent playing it, but i cant remember the time i was less excited for an expac
daring marlin
i really love this game and time i've spent playing it, but i cant remember the ...
Despite how you feel now I hope you have a blast in the expac brother
somber hollow
Despite how you feel now I hope you have a blast in the expac brother
amen
daring marlin
Is curling better than bench pressing
bench is better duh
solid sun
Well basically there are two schools of thought
coarse bay
There were a bunch of end of expansion slogs that were terrible
Not to start it back up, but youre comparing end of expansion slog to the game being released/updated into a broken state. We aren’t talking about content.
toxic pewter
right now their is an actual bug that disconnects you if you are rooted/stunne/etc in the air while skyriding
so I consider the game broken in that sense yes
ive been disconnected probably like 50+ times since pre patch launched cuz I am out there world pvping and people are actively exploiting it
coarse bay
Ya I wasnt even talking about the random disconnects, kinda forgot about those lmao. Ive completed maybe 1 dawnbreaker because people get dced on the boats and chain dced until they un-stuck their character
Or the random dc because you mount and start flying too fast and it decides its your time to log out
unkempt hazel
are those not part of the experience ✨
coarse bay
The current experience, yup unfortunately
solid sun
Well
Maybe the dev team is trying to tell people that it’s time to play a different game
toxic pewter
honestly they need to take a major patch and just dedicate it to fixing bugs like people will be mad and crap but it would be better in the long run
maybe even an entire expansion
its that bad perhaps
round pendant
honestly they need to take a major patch and just dedicate it to fixing bugs lik...
I mean they just need competent devs
But I genuinely think they just put the resources they do have into the complete wrong things
daring marlin
But I genuinely think they just put the resources they do have into the complete...
What's wrong? Don't want a house?
😏
toxic pewter
just got DC'd again flying into a rock
jagged pier
Welcome to patch 12.0.1
toxic pewter
NA maintenance three days in a row.. surely they will fix the DC issues...
jagged pier
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
dc not fixed 
daring marlin
just got DC'd again flying into a rock
Flying into a rock? Are you drunk, sir?
toxic pewter
I am basically perma-drunk
since you saw me last i prob lost like 15-20% of brain power
and it was never that high as it was
toxic pewter
thanks lmao Troy actually one of my fav simpsons characters so when you said that the other day it actually just all clicked
daring marlin
Had to bring back a classic
toxic pewter
57 min until that whats next in wow stream
cerulean tusk
57 min until that whats next in wow stream
I am lazy, throw me the link like 10 min before
toxic pewter
I am lazy, throw me the link like 10 min before
will do
frosty holly
toxic pewter
@cerulean tusk https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft wacraft stream start in 10 min
cerulean tusk
tribal wharf
Is it time
it is time
time for more doom
Imma goin on a crusade
and none of you can stop me.
a quest to purge the lands of all the demons and undead and otherwise just evil
toxic pewter
daring marlin
chad
toxic pewter
housing 🤢 🤮
toxic pewter
I dont doubt majority of people like it
I just wish i was more creative I guess i am just jealous
cuz every1 got cool house and stuff
toxic pewter
thats a good idea actually
was a bit overwhelmed when i went in house for first time
theme can help me try and go forward easier with it
jagged pier
its the best thing if u stuck etc
warm plinth
cuz every1 got cool house and stuff
I am not creative either, but I love going to other people's houses and seeing the crazy things they make.
undone beacon
I'm gonna redo my goblin lab at some point
jagged pier
I am not creative either, but I love going to other people's houses and seeing t...
if only u could come to my house
id make u a room
warm plinth
That would be really cool if we could see other region houses
warm plinth
I'm gonna redo my goblin lab at some point <:peepo:938582175522107442>
Goblin lab 2.0?!
undone beacon
They got all the sick mechagon endeavor shit
And i have been inspired by other builds
as much as it pains me to tear apart what i already have
round pendant
Housing 🤢
jagged pier
just wait for save slots
round pendant
What are we talking about
jagged pier
or just use oposite faction house
undone beacon
have they said they're doing save slots
round pendant
I just woke up from my pre-poe nap
jagged pier
have they said they're doing save slots
they probably will as everyone is asking for it
undone beacon
already built my second house and im happy with it
i made a nice lil conservatory with the skybox room :3
undone beacon
yeahhhh they're frustratingly limited
i just enclosed mine in walls and built a dome
jagged pier
working on putting pets into a house 
undone beacon
as the kids say, pog'ers
jagged pier
yes
undone beacon
YOINK
jagged pier
and higher limits
undone beacon
okay im putting the lab rennovation on hold
jagged pier
import export means we can back stuff up too
warm plinth
I'm gonna copy pash's house and just turn every object upside down. Bizarro pash house
undone beacon
do it
warm plinth
I won't have like 90% of his items probably
jagged pier
well go get them
undone beacon
prop hunt
warm plinth
What?
jagged pier
if u were quick enough to see it
undone beacon
wait hold on this is peak
warm plinth
I assume it's a battleground?
undone beacon
no its literally like gmod prophunt
warm plinth
Yogi how dare you
jagged pier
well as prop hunt started in gmod
undone beacon
midpatch raid midpatch raid
jagged pier
it would be from gmod not cod
warm plinth
You're a doombox person
undone beacon
but you sure do like christmas candies
warm plinth
Did you like the old school duke nukem games yogi
tribal wharf
they are called boomshoots
toxic pewter
delve mega delve called labyrinths coming
tribal wharf
yes but, like,
i mean, doom and heretic are better
dukenukem comes with the buiild engine
and you can fucking get killed by opening and closing doors in duke nukem
warm plinth
I enjoyed plunderstorm despite not liking pvp. But most of my dislike for pvp is that it's too complicated
tribal wharf
and he got a bit weird in DNF
warm plinth
So plunderstorm was perfect
warm plinth
and you can fucking get killed by opening and closing doors in duke nukem
Lol I forgot about that
tribal wharf
he got overly sexual and whatever in DNF
and even the devs didnt really want him like that
warm plinth
He's the Johnny Bravo of video games
tribal wharf
he's a fun character if you dont take him too seriously
toxic pewter
yikes pretty awful stream ngl nothing even anounced wat in da world
undone beacon
bloodelves with pupils freak me out idk
tribal wharf
yaya
tribal wharf
im not the iron man, you think i am
grizzled nova
so the only new info was two additional 1 boss raids and mega delves?
toxic pewter
on behalf of that
coarse bay
Was there content
round pendant
wait the stream is already over?
toxic pewter
yeah
round pendant
I just got out of bed
toxic pewter
just awful
round pendant
and I missed it
toxic pewter
yiou didnt miss anything
round pendant
wtf is a mega delve
warm plinth
wait the stream is already over?
That's what I was gonna say lol
undone beacon
We got talk of new housing features, confirmation of mid-patch single boss raids, and the promise of new side gamemodes
And a new delve type
toxic pewter
man
undone beacon
Otherwise its the same ol same ol
round pendant
can they like
toxic pewter
never felt like unsubbing before
round pendant
promise to make the game good?
toxic pewter
is this h ow it feels to want to unsub
undone beacon
lmao
warm plinth
I'm just ready to do keys with pashalash
grizzled nova
I mean they dedicated like 3 whole minutes to the prepatch event and how cool it is going into midnight
And everyone fucking hates it
round pendant
Otherwise its the same ol same ol
Yeah it's the same ol cookie cutter expansion slop cycle
undone beacon
I mean they dedicated like 3 whole minutes to the prepatch event and how cool it...
i missed the first like 5 minutes is that really what they talked about
grizzled nova
i missed the first like 5 minutes is that really what they talked about
yes
tribal wharf
promise to make the game good?
I really hope that this new version of wow doesnt suck lol
undone beacon
oh lord
warm plinth
This prepatch event is like 5 minutes worth of content
toxic pewter
they spent more time on pre patch garbo than actual upcoming cool shit
warm plinth
Unless I'm missing something
tribal wharf
im going to be so dissapointed if it does
toxic pewter
no. you are not missing anything.
round pendant
I really hope that this new version of wow doesnt suck lol
Well hate to break it to ya
toxic pewter
da fuk
warm plinth
Two weekly quests, like 2 or 3 achievement, and the rest is just farming rares
undone beacon
I do love these roadmaps because like, im pretty sure this roadmap looks like the last however many they've put out lol
undone beacon
"12.1: new zone and raid and season. 12.1.5: new content. 12.1.7: new quests" lol
toxic pewter
oof
warm plinth
New quests?! Why didn't you say so!
tribal wharf
imagine midnight is the expansion that puts blizzard in the dirt
round pendant
It's wild to me how it's absolutely nothing
undone beacon
pog
tribal wharf
that would be some really, ironic twist of fate
undone beacon
To be fair if the game can weather shadowlands I think it can weather midnight. Aside from aspects of the game being broken and buggy as hell, things like housing and delves do a lot for drawing in and retaining the andies
toxic pewter
just what i wanted.. more assaults TWENTY YEARS OF ASSAULTS
tribal wharf
warm plinth
Not to mention WoD
tribal wharf
im not the only HOPIUM
undone beacon
Has anyone ever seen that on a roadmap and genuinely been excited you think?
I'm touring a few random guild discords im in and theres a lot of excitement so
Maybe we're the jaded cynical assholes
warm plinth
I'm gonna play the fuck out of prop hunt tbf
Like I'm living that event when it comes
mighty valley
pog
if this means they're not gonna do another midseason required item patch i'm happy for that
tribal wharf
for me the BIGGEST inhibitor to playing wow is my internet connection
tribal wharf
i do keystones which are timed to the millisecond
grizzled nova
To be fair if the game can weather shadowlands I think it can weather midnight. ...
Shadowlands was at least pog new stuff delivered poorly, midnight is dragonflight again(again) with changes that amount to nerfs to the game experience so that boomers can play better and they can make more fractilus bosses.
tribal wharf
and my internet just drops whenever the fuck
mighty valley
for me the BIGGEST inhibitor to playing wow is my internet connection
sorry blizzard is not gonna fix this one for you
tribal wharf
so i cant
i'll get DC, wipe, rage, banned from reports
i dont want to go down that path
warm plinth
Introducing blizzard's new isp, the last Titan
tribal wharf
thats what im saying basically thought
warm plinth
My phone just showed a weather alert for my small town saying the snow is expected to end soon
It is not remotely snowing
tribal wharf
when it comes to that issue, its totally beyond my control
frozen berry
Is wow turning into the sims?
tribal wharf
so for that reason, im out
solid sun
Is this mid season raid thing what we already knew since we are getting three raids
Or is it new
tribal wharf
i have zero control over random DC
warm plinth
No the 3 raids we knew of are all releasing in the first few weeks
grizzled nova
Or is it new
The two midpatch single boss raids are new.
mighty valley
Did they mention anything about difficulty
STOP
undone beacon
Or is it new
New, 4th raid of season 1. One boss fungus raid
round pendant
god yogi has all the bad casual takes
round pendant
jesus imagine if they said
toxic pewter
the saddest thing about what has become of wow is they no longer can take risks..
the playerbase riots
mighty valley
i wasn't watching but catching up now, this seemed like a pretty normal roadmap thing, can someone tell me what i should be mad about
warm plinth
They can't take risks? So they didn't just drastically change the addon landscape?
mighty valley
They can't take risks? So they didn't just drastically change the addon landsca...
not drastically ENOUGH
tribal wharf
ppl complain dont get the decor and more time on pre-patch rather than housing
round pendant
10 man mythic raid
untimed hard dungeons for good loot
new m+ rewards
nvm addon nerf reverted
toxic pewter
they reverted basically all the addon situation
even more reversions in next patch of the beta
toxic pewter
theres more coming
warm plinth
That's just untrue.
warm plinth
Weakauras never didn't work
round pendant
"Always something new and exciting on the horizon"
solid sun
How much misinformation is happening in this chat rn
round pendant
can someone tell me what's new and exciting?
warm plinth
It just wasn't updated
grizzled nova
soon weak auras will work even
holy cope
toxic pewter
no originally blizz was intent to like really shut down most addons
but then the mob... happened as usual
warm plinth
No it wasn't
toxic pewter
That is how I remember it
toxic pewter
nothin worse than giving into a mob in this life
round pendant
weakaura gotta go
You literally are not affected by weakauras existing and you don't understand the problem in the first place
toxic pewter
unfortunately that ship sailed long ago
warm plinth
The backlash on their addon restrictions was specifically because they restricted a lot more than they originally raid they were going to, hence the backtracking
round pendant
I WILL fight you on this yogi
warm plinth
Said, not raid
grizzled nova
weakauras will never work again, all the environments in the API are gone, no combat log environment, no aura environment, no unit environment, there's nothing to hook.
tribal wharf
its not even i dont want them, just i want blizzard to add the basic ones
damage meter, etc
toxic pewter
those 'restrictions' were always their intent though
warm plinth
Weakauras could work today if they updated
toxic pewter
just the mob rioted
tribal wharf
and then if you want to do addons sure whatever
but i want the basic shit in the game as a default
warm plinth
There's already a weakauras clone that exists right now
mighty valley
damage meter, etc
they did that
tribal wharf
there is a blizzard ui damage meter now?
warm plinth
Yes
round pendant
yeah and it's fucking awful
mighty valley
yes yogi
grizzled nova
There's already a weakauras clone that exists right now
Brother it's CDM with a weakauras skin, not weakauras itself lmao.
tribal wharf
so we arent arguing about recount dps vs whatever the other big dps meter was
i cant think of the name
recount is the one lives rent free with me
round pendant
so we're all whelmed right
undone beacon
The levels of whelmed are off the charts
Actually fuck you prop hunt hype. We got any big prop hunters in the house
tribal wharf
so there is no more arguing about, "well mine shows you did 11,700dps and your sim said you should be doing 13.500dps, so that dps is way too low and now we are going to kick you out of the raid over it"
toxic pewter
players want whelmed
undone beacon
I’m gonna be a lamp so hard
round pendant
so there is no more arguing about, "well mine shows you did 11,700dps and your s...
these arguments don't exist
undone beacon
so there is no more arguing about, "well mine shows you did 11,700dps and your s...
I… don’t think that’s what’s happening like anywhere
warm plinth
Weakauras is literally just an interface used to make and run addons in-game. They decided to not update it for Midnight because most weakauras are combat-focused and most of those are no longer possible. It has nothing to do with weakauras themselves not being possible.
round pendant
these are made up what-if arguments your brain invented yogi
undone beacon
Who the fuck bothers to sim their raiders lol
tribal wharf
what was the other dps meter
tribal wharf
from all the way back in tbc at minimum
YES details
and ppl would bitch and moan and carry the fuck on
every raid
about oh my dps meteer shows, im winning the dps
mighty valley
i mean, "i looked at your dps and it's really really low so i'm gonna kick you" will happen with any damage meter
tribal wharf
what im saying okay right, harrow is that
round pendant
no one really looks at details for those decisions tho, they look at logs
tribal wharf
at least now, the number is displayed in wow as a default
round pendant
details is just to see how people are doing proportional to others in the group
warm plinth
Huh
mighty valley
if you're in a pug m+ and you're doing sub-tank damage people will vote to kick, sure
but yeah whatever yogi's talking about is not happening
tribal wharf
im using it as an extreme example
and saying at least the number can be agreed on now
and seen by all
mighty valley
yogi why are you angry about these random examples when you said your internet connection makes wow unplayable
surely that's the real problem
tribal wharf
so now i dont have to get an addon which may or may not display the right numbers
undone beacon
Yogi likes to be mad at things he doesn’t experience
warm plinth
He didn't even know wow had a damage meter until 5 minutes ago
undone beacon
It’s like how he was upset at the new KotH even tho he’s never seen it
tribal wharf
and i can instantly see, oh, i did really shitty on that fight
mighty valley
it's "why can't i harvest lumber" all over again
round pendant
I'm hoping blizz cook with classic+ (they won't)
otherwise wow might be over for me if they never recover from midnight
and yes, I have already decided midnight sucks
mighty valley
they can't possibly cook with classic+ because classic+ is a million different fever dreams of what people want the game to have been all along
tribal wharf
when you go out on a camping trip and night starts to fall
mighty valley
"just make classic more like retail but only the parts i like and not the parts i don't like"
round pendant
they can't possibly cook with classic+ because classic+ is a million different f...
I did say they won't
but I don't necessarily agree
they could still make a good game, doesn't have to cater to everybody
in fact, I often advocate for NOT catering to everybody
tribal wharf
maybe take a small hachet to chop down a yearling tree or some dead dried out tree
solid sun
I’ll tell you one thing right now I am BIG MAD
tribal wharf
this is man brain logic 101
warm plinth
Me too. Rhino needs his pc or I'm gonna stay mad
round pendant
I am eating a fish burger
tribal wharf
is cold, cant see, make fire, fire hot and provide light for me see danger wolf try steal me steak
that i hunted down
warm plinth
I am eating a fish burger
Pics or it didn't happen
warm plinth
Same though. It doesn't exist long enough for photos
tribal wharf
YOU COULD CHOP DOWN TREES IN FUCKIN, WC1
from like whyat is it
1994
it makes me so mad that 30 40 years later
round pendant
yogi no one ever said tree chopping is a technology problem
tribal wharf
and we still cant chop down a damned tree
mighty valley
in fact, I often advocate for NOT catering to everybody
yeah but... if they cater to a subset of people whose desires you disagree with, you'll be mad LOL
tribal wharf
billions of trees all over azeroth
warm plinth
I didn't know you were such an advocate for deforestation yogi. Your namesake would be upset.
mighty valley
yogi... harvesting lumber is part of the housing system in wow
has been since it was announced
tribal wharf
well you see its a video game
so you set how often they respawn
and its a video game
round pendant
I mean I kind of understand where he's coming from
tribal wharf
so it doesnt even matter if they respawn in 0.005 seconds
tribal wharf
or 500,000 seconds!
mighty valley
you're just mad because the trees don't disappear when you harvest them?
tribal wharf
TBF, it is very satisfying in rs that you walk up to a tree, equip an axe and start chopping at it and you see your self and hear your self chopping the wood
and it drops on ground for you to collect or in your bag
round pendant
you're just mad because the trees don't disappear when you harvest them?
why did you have to mention lumber?
tribal wharf
and then when you've used up its charges there is a stump, depending how big or rare the tree type is
and then you can take the wood back to your bank, and use it for skills or items or even sell it
mighty valley
why did you have to mention lumber?
3000 rating is hard to attain
round pendant
maybe if you lack eye sight, or hands
tribal wharf
i didnt really enjoy lumbering THAT much in new world
tribal wharf
but it was an activity
it was something to do in the luls as a like, boredom random event i could do if i felt like it
if they put lumbering in wow today
right now
and it didnt suck, i would 100% garuntee you
there would be a bunch of ppl mining for 8 hours + a day for a month
just like with mining
round pendant
uh
No they wouldn't because there'd be fuck all to do with it
wait why am I engaging
okay I gotta prep for poe
tribal wharf
you have the polar opposite mind vision of this of what you need
the point of it is for when there ISNT something else i might want to do
tribal wharf
you, you would be surprised
round pendant
If there's nothing to do with the wood, it has no value and no incentive to go chop it
round pendant
Yogi I think you might have brain damage
tribal wharf
oke
well, thats my point and im sticking to it
i will never stop believing this type of thing
round pendant
The game needs to become more focused on horizontal progression and have a whole profession expansion for anything like that to happen
but it's never gonna happen
tribal wharf
i know what i like
round pendant
Every X years you'll get 4 zones, 1 raid, 8 dungeons and drip fed "content" until we do it again
tribal wharf
and im hoping the game will trend in that direction
round pendant
and you'll LIKE it
mighty valley
No they wouldn't because there'd be fuck all to do with it
the thing that is driving me nuts here is that you CAN harvest lumber in wow and you DO need to do it to craft housing decor
and he's just like "i wish you could harvest lumber in wow and use it for housing"
tribal wharf
ya, thats the thing
tribal wharf
is i dont just i dont just instantly and irrevocably "okay this is what it is and i like it for what it is"
round pendant
I think he's saying harvesting logs as like a general item that can be used in various systems not just housing
tribal wharf
i cant just blind faith 100% commit
round pendant
but he's also at the same time saying people will just chop logs to chop logs which is hilarious
tribal wharf
I think he's saying harvesting logs as like a general item that can be used in v...
i have said it in other conversations a few times at least yes
round pendant
and I'm saying the game isn't set up and will never be set up for that
tribal wharf
used for other professions and to make staves mostly
round pendant
As it requires an actual redesign of the game's progression and incentives
tribal wharf
used in the production of spears, daggers, anything with a wood handle
round pendant
They'd have to get out of the whole cookie cutter expansion loop and do something actually new
tribal wharf
axes, swords any type of weapon with wooden elements
round pendant
adding a mining-but-it's-trees to the crafting system doesn't add anything to the game yogi
tribal wharf
no,
round pendant
lmao
mighty valley
it's just for housing only
tribal wharf
wod garrison DOES NOT COUNT
mighty valley
yogi. please. you're going to explode my brain
tribal wharf
random quest #38988441343 of expansion #7 does not count
world quest, BARELY, but maybe
mighty valley
they added it...................... for the housing system......... that is now in game
you can do it
you can go harvest trees
tribal wharf
i still have no idea how you go about getting the lumber
round pendant
I can't
tribal wharf
so you just run a raid and currency x147 oak logs was added to your inventory?
round pendant
I think Harrow just exploded
mighty valley
alright man. go play hexen or something
round pendant
LOL
tribal wharf
which is the opposite of what i want btw
round pendant
Dude I think Yogi has to be like an S++ tier ragebaiter
"You can go up to a tree and chop it and get lumber"
"so you just run an instance and get logs as a reward?"
tribal wharf
like, i'm telling you all for 100 bazillion %, i know what i want the game to be
its just ya
toxic pewter
omg lol ive had this lumber hatchet in my bags didnt realize i needed to click it to learn find lumber rofl
toxic pewter
ya
tribal wharf
and you sell the shit or use it
tribal wharf
im already back in the game if thats the case
daring marlin
omg lol ive had this lumber hatchet in my bags didnt realize i needed to click i...
What'd they say was next? I was watching JJK
mighty valley
What'd they say was next? I was watching JJK
normal stuff
midseason one-boss raids are back i guess
toxic pewter
labirynth which is mega delve
round pendant
im already back in the game if thats the case
Harrow told you that you can do this like 5 times
tribal wharf
i NEVER saw any videos like this on youtube of it yet
tribal wharf
if it does exist, im not doubting it does or does not
coarse bay
New content and features to be expected in the .1.5 patch or something? So the expansion content will be in a year
round pendant
game sux
tribal wharf
it was sort of like, they claimed the fixed the fishing mini game i guess it was back in DF???
round pendant
tonight I'm going to play a good game that's free and gets more regular content updates than wow (if you exclude the year long drought)
tribal wharf
and i didnt notice ANY change to fishing whatsoever
toxic pewter
12.1 gonna be a TROLL PATCH MON MARK MY WORDS NOW
coarse bay
i NEVER saw any videos like this on youtube of it yet
Idk that cutting trees is big enough content/hype to see content about it
tribal wharf
still go up to random water hit the button (i have to use the giant bobber cuz cant relaibly see and time it to farm tf out of it otherwise)
wait for thing, hit the button, loot
round pendant
People still try to convince me that the profession "rework" in DF was an actual rework (it wasn't)
tribal wharf
i would want like, black mouth bass for NES sega bass fishing for playstation/dremcast with the you have to pull the fish in and not break the line
daring marlin
People still try to convince me that the profession "rework" in DF was an actual...
It was certainly...something
tribal wharf
that system at least makes some logical sense to me
as i have caught fish in real life
not 1 to 1 for sure
mighty valley
alright i'm compiling the yogi wishlist
daring marlin
alright i'm compiling the yogi wishlist
Impossible
Just sit back and enjoy the yogiisms
tribal wharf
alright i'm compiling the yogi wishlist
theres only 1 step to this
make the damned game be good
round pendant
lol
round pendant
I agree with that sentiment
mighty valley
- blizzard fix his internet connection
- damage meter in game
- chop down trees
- sega bass fishing for dreamcast
daring marlin
Isn't the damage meter in game now?
round pendant
I just find it hilarious that he thinks people will just chop trees for the sake of it
mighty valley
to be fair huge numbers of wow players will do any activity for a mount they'll never use
which is about as close to "for the sake of it" as you can get
tribal wharf
i think there should be for keys
if a player clearly dc
vote and 4 players yes, its a 3 minute wait for the player to come back
i think they might have this tbh
mighty valley
you're asking for a way to pause the m+ timer?
tribal wharf
and then i would add to any keystone, there is a 60 minute hard timer limit for "completion with loot"
round pendant
to be fair huge numbers of wow players will do any activity for a mount they'll ...
Yeah that's the only reason people stay subbed to play slop mid-season boring content
it's actually wild how people will let blizzard do fucking nothing as long as they get a mount out of it
tribal wharf
it would have to have some big event that you can only call one of those time outs once every 24 hours
mighty valley
pressing their buttons in a low pressure environment
and seeing numbers go up and achievements flash
(sees an old man start knitting his third scarf for the year) low effort slop content...
round pendant
Those words you just said in that specific order were like engineered in a lab specifically to manipulate my brain into a bad mood
how did you manage that
tribal wharf
and i think for 60 minutes "completion with loot" it would have to be, i think currently in a key if you properly 1 star it you get ~3 pieces of loot
so it would have to be 2.5 loot drops or 2.25 for completion
mighty valley
yogi you still get loot for an untimed key right now
round pendant
can you conceive of that
As weird as those people are, at least they were generally socialising
People on wow just running around doing slop events to get the dopamine of a mount
for $15 a month
alone
wild
mighty valley
yogi is so close to saying "i wish there was a warrior class in wow"
mighty valley
People on wow just running around doing slop events to get the dopamine of a mou...
it's not really about the mount though. they just like the whole package
round pendant
what package
tribal wharf
eh well you know, one of the reasons i make herpaderp (og human warrior no intelligence points) was cuz, he can collect the most types of weapons in the game including daggers! as i am rogue
daring marlin
it's actually wild how people will let blizzard do fucking nothing as long as th...
mount pls
round pendant
It's not even competitive with f2p games
mighty valley
the entire world. the art, the character, the pressing buttons
tribal wharf
(herpaderp was og warriors name)
mighty valley
the attachment to your little guy, going to the new places they add
round pendant
mighty valley
goals like achievements and mounts are generally just excuses
round pendant
nobody logs in wow just to run around in a zone and kill mobs or do whatever with no incentives
if they did, I'd agree with you
tribal wharf
my warrior, has been through many changes and race changes
round pendant
I think a lot of people are held hostage by sentimental attachment to their characters for sure
tribal wharf
human > dwarf > dark iron > horde, and then tauren and i wanted to make him HM tauren
round pendant
and they feel like it's "wasted" if they stop playing and go play something actually good and worth the money
coarse bay
I wish there was an encounter with multiple bosses where you teamed up with a “guild” of friends to achieve victory. Say anywhere from 10-30 players but a harder difficulty that scales to 20
round pendant
yo that'd be sick
eternal glade
how much dps are yall usually pulling?
mighty valley
none, it's prepatch
round pendant
like
tribal wharf
40k bolt gun was incredible
eternal glade
none, it's prepatch
just trying to polish my rotation. im currently sitting at 6-8k at ilvl 131
round pendant
If you look objectively at the content in wow, is it worth the expac price + a monthly sub compared to literally any other game?
tribal wharf
i had a youtube play list of bolt gun but then i deleted it
mighty valley
If you look objectively at the content in wow, is it worth the expac price + a m...
is it objectively worth it if i spend more than a month's subscription on one bottle of wine?
what is "objectively" in any of this
coarse bay
just trying to polish my rotation. im currently sitting at 6-8k at ilvl 131
Seems extremely low but there are variables like key level and routing/pull size
mighty valley
i just don't rate anything in my life based on an equation like quality of time multiplied by total hours spent
makes zero sense
tribal wharf
fuck it
coarse bay
just trying to polish my rotation. im currently sitting at 6-8k at ilvl 131
Actually also very low ilvl
tribal wharf
im putting wow lumber into youtube
round pendant
wdym that's the only way to judge it, no?
tribal wharf
and trying to find this wow lumbering shit
eternal glade
Actually also very low ilvl
yeah im trying to get 157 before release
tribal wharf
i have to see it now
coarse bay
yeah im trying to get 157 before release
👍not much to optimize, just keep gaming
round pendant
I pay $60 and get like 2 pieces of content that are worth anything and put on a treadmill and then dripfed content for $15 a month
tribal wharf
WTF
round pendant
vs another game that's free and I get 200 hours of it every 4 months
tribal wharf
maybe i owe someone an apology
round pendant
I'm just doomer when it comes to wowge
tribal wharf
i can go lumbering in wow
mighty valley
I pay $60 and get like 2 pieces of content that are worth anything and put on a ...
the fact that you've done this a lot must mean that you're getting something else out of it or the equation is more complex than that
tribal wharf
is what you are saying to me, i see it on my screen now, so maybe not today
but this is make me pleased if it is true
round pendant
the fact that you've done this a lot must mean that you're getting something els...
Yeah I've already stated that M+ is unique and they have me by the balls in that it's a game my friends all play together
mighty valley
i can go lumbering in wow
why didn't you believe me when i told you this twenty times over the past few months
round pendant
Because he's an insane person
round pendant
Like I feel my money is well spent in wow after a good season playing with my buddies
but the content itself does not feel worth the $100 or whatever that is total
tribal wharf
i can CLAIM i hit a baseball as a kid and hit a grand slam
round pendant
well, like $200 for a whole expac cycle
mighty valley
but they have provided the systems and environment and attachment that allows for a good season playing with your buddies
daring marlin
well, like $200 for a whole expac cycle
What's your /played after an expac?
mighty valley
in total they are giving you something unique you're not getting anywhere else that you've decided is worth the money
round pendant
The systems they refuse to expand on, develop or make better
and actively make worse every 2 expacs
tribal wharf
okay well, to all those whom i was angry about lumbering for and wrong, i wasn't wrong, but its a possiblity i was
mighty valley
i'm just saying that human motivations are more varied and complex than "hmmm that quest was worth ten cents, that dungeon was worth a dollar"
mighty valley
have you paid for midnight yet, are you going to
round pendant
I'm not going to, no
tribal wharf
shame he is doing it as a druid in flight form
round pendant
and none of my friends are either
mighty valley
ok cool, you're doing the rational thing then
round pendant
What's your /played after an expac?
no clue
I think my character has like 70 days played but it's like been through 3.5 expansions
tribal wharf
i think the very important part of the lumbering is, make it be the entire tree model you click on, and it like, the top falls off or it falls over
mighty valley
i'm just trying to get you to see it as "wow isn't giving me enough of what i want for the money" and not "everyone who still plays wow is fucking stupid"
coarse bay
Ill generally get like 30ish days /played on my main for a season i think, usually more
tribal wharf
some satisfying thing that occurs when you have used up the node like the clinking of the pick axe on rocks
daring marlin
Ill generally get like 30ish days /played on my main for a season i think, usual...
720 hours in a season sounds like good bang for your buck
coarse bay
Not something i check but its been like that in the past
round pendant
Is hours the only thing that matters?
coarse bay
720 hours in a season sounds like good bang for your buck
Doesnt mean i cant have complaints
I never said i wasted money once
daring marlin
Doesnt mean i cant have complaints
Didn't say you can't btw
mighty valley
Is hours the only thing that matters?
now you're speaking my language
daring marlin
That sounds like a reasonable amount of time
coarse bay
Ya, when the game is in a good state, i play it a lot
tribal wharf
i assume beta and whatever max is, or lvl 5
round pendant
i'm just trying to get you to see it as "wow isn't giving me enough of what i wa...
I don't think they're stupid I just don't get it
undone beacon
I'm a pro decor hunter now.
Blessed be
round pendant
M+ with my buddies is the ONLY reason I pay to play the game
and I still think it's not worth the amount of money
but it's peer pressure and whatnot
stepping back and looking at it "objectively"
mighty valley
you gotta finish neon genesis evangelion. they made a whole show about the difficulty of understanding other people
round pendant
It's mid
daring marlin
I don't think they're stupid I just don't get it
You need to realize that in the grand scheme your preferred playstyle is niche
They want to grow the entire playerbase
round pendant
I mean I could argue that people who are happy running around zones doing slop quests and slop events for pretty pixels are just mouthbreathers?
daring marlin
There are people that log on and just want to goof off and collect shit
That's probably the vast majority of people
coarse bay
I think fun group content to do with friends isnt niche, they just dont have many options for doing that
tribal wharf
@daring marlin i think this is the normal player before they become a one of the 3 pillars of wow mains (pvp, keys, raids)
mighty valley
they just... value different things... from you...
round pendant
I think fun group content to do with friends isnt niche, they just dont have man...
in an mmo btw
mighty valley
that's it
tribal wharf
i think a ton of players goof around dumb shit like this for un-determined amount of time
and then I WANNA RAID!!!!
mighty valley
two brains do the same thing and come away with different feelings. crazy to imagine
coarse bay
in an mmo btw
Exactly. Like m+ being one of the only like 2 maybe 3 options isnt out fault lol
round pendant
Nah most takes in games I can understand, even cozy games
coarse bay
If there was something other than m+, people would do it too
round pendant
but you can't tell me a wow expac + story is worth a full price game every year
undone beacon
I feel like we rehash this conversation like, at least once a week. I can't wait until theres new content and we can go back to lecturing baby prot warriors
coarse bay
Can i macro revenge into shield slam
mighty valley
again, do you think a bottle of whisky or a video game is better value
round pendant
I don't drink
mighty valley
right, so it's clear for you
coarse bay
Where do i track IP and how do i macro it into shield wall
tribal wharf
I mean really, what is there to prot warrior? hit your shield block and point it at enemy and charge and shield slam and IP and execute and whatever else, and relfect if they cast a spell on you
repeat that a million times till it dies
undone beacon
Yogi you dont even play the game
mighty valley
based on your waycrest manor log from yesterday you never really got the "hit your shield block and point it at the enemy" part
tribal wharf
i do more dps in doom than i do in wow
more fun
bigger number better
more actions and if something crazy happens like net goes out or pizza man crashes into the mail box
oh well, break for 10 minutes 4 hours
mighty valley
I feel like we rehash this conversation like, at least once a week. I can't wait...
look, i spent months trying to convince yogi that they put lumber in wow and today i succeeded. i will rehash any conversation til the ends of the earth
undone beacon
Oh shit you've been justified, vindicated even. Its so over
mighty valley
round pendant
how much does a wow expac cost
base in dollaridoos
I'm british and can't do the conversion off the top of my head
tribal wharf
i never saw any images or video of it whatsoever
the only thing i ever saw about it officially was blue text like 1 line half a line of a paragraph
and im like ok
round pendant
I cannot for the life of me look at wow (excluding heroic+ raid and m+) and think hey that's worth the cost of almost a full price game + a monthly subscription
I WISH I could understand
tribal wharf
i would love if they put an advert out explicitly stating wood chopping is in the game
and see how the community reacts
round pendant
brother you're the last person to learn this
everybody else already knows it's in the game
mighty valley
yeah the base edition is fifty bucks
round pendant
if the story was good (it never is anymore) and the questing was good (it's literally just go a->b repeat)
I'd feel a bit better about it
warm plinth
How are you guys still talking about woodchopping
round pendant
but the whole non-competitive side of the game is absolute slop
mighty valley
How are you guys still talking about woodchopping
i won
round pendant
I'm tired of pretending it isn't
round pendant
There's value in mindless shit for collecting mounts/pets/mogs/whatever but why am I paying money for ass content
dusky canopy
How are you guys still talking about woodchopping
It takes like 400 hours to get 99 wood chopping lots to talk about
warm plinth
Well, you're not subbed right yam?
tribal wharf
or more
round pendant
I am not
tribal wharf
i had very strong fishing
warm plinth
So at least you understand the concept of hey I'm not enjoying this so I'm not going to play it
Most seem not to
round pendant
If they didn't fuck up the gameplay at higher levels I would still be playing midnight
coarse bay
how much does a wow expac cost
Well now it’s only $40 base with the $15 monthly 
round pendant
because it's something to do with my buddies
but the base game is just not good I'm sorry
and the dripfed slop events aren't good either
.5 patches are cheeks
undone beacon
Get your buddies to do something else with you
round pendant
game entirely hinges on raids and m+ being good
round pendant
Get your buddies to do something else with you
I wish they would but they all scoffed at the idea of trying Fellowship
coarse bay
Genuinely, the value comes from the time with friends, i never think about the cost of the game because i dont really put a $$ on that
mighty valley
I wish they would but they all scoffed at the idea of trying Fellowship
based on steam numbers, so did most people
warm plinth
I literally play WoW when there are others to play with
warm plinth
When they take breaks, I do too
undone beacon
Invest in buddy stocks
warm plinth
I have another group of friends that doesn't play wow though and we play other random shit together
warm plinth
@solid sun won't play wow with me though; he hates me
coarse bay
Thats a slouch
undone beacon
My old guild did that, they played variety games when the season was a slog. Had a fantastic few weeks playing Valheim and Mordhaus with them
tribal wharf
1453 total lvl
dusky canopy
I have the opposite my buds will play anything except WoW..
undone beacon
I have the opposite my buds will play anything except WoW..
Well you've got a bunch of buds right here
mighty valley
i have friends that i don't play video games with. insane
solid sun
<@121955167863046144> won't play wow with me though; he hates me
I would if I didn’t have a series of unfortunate events occur
warm plinth
@undone beacon I'm generally down to play anything except FPS and MOABs
round pendant
i have friends that i don't play video games with. insane
Me too
tribal wharf
this was back in the time that 1800/1900 total lvl was good
round pendant
but I have a few friends and we all play wow together but outside of that they have different interests
coarse bay
tribal wharf
right around time of the crypts thing came out
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> I'm generally down to play anything except FPS and MOABs
tbh when im not playing wow I cycle through indie games that have been rotting in my steam library for god knows how long
undone beacon
Its why my hyperfixation has been Picayune Dreams rn
warm plinth
I was playing spell brigade recently
undone beacon
coarse bay
I was playing spell brigade recently
Banger game
round pendant
warm plinth
Yeah, we were interested in it because we liked Temtem Swarm but then Temtem Swarm just kind of...stagnated hard
coarse bay
I was playing spell brigade recently
I highly recommend shape of dreams too
undone beacon
I feel like there are so many survivors/arpg type games
tribal wharf
maybe a little bit i slouched
undone beacon
I highly recommend shape of dreams too
my brother got that, looked pretty fun
round pendant
based on steam numbers, so did most people
Apparently it's pretty decent tho, the artstyle is uninspiring though and I refuse to buy early access
undone beacon
I wanted Starlight Re:volver to be good but i havent touched in a while
round pendant
but yeah it's a shame to see it doing poorly
mighty valley
it's hard to break through as any kind of new multiplayer game
tribal wharf
84 fish and 85 cook, DAMN
tribal wharf
i can fish up and cook my own shark
warm plinth
Been trying to find folks to do a replay of The Forest and then play Sons but that's a bit more time investment than a lot of folks want I guess
round pendant
also I think with wow moving to more regular expacs
my criticism is even more valid
mighty valley
look i broadly agree with you on a lot of what you're saying
i think they're compressing the release timeline too much and it's having an impact on quality
coarse bay
Itd be fine if the quality was a lot higher
mighty valley
i just don't go so far as to say "if you play wow for anything other than m+ and raids you are a slop eater"
tribal wharf
there was certain patches they let it drag out way too much i will say