protection

[coarse bay]

Nah its just a meme for me

[round pendant]

oh lame

[mighty valley]

yeah i don't need to get ruffled by a yogi take, i can move on

[round pendant]

I thought I found a fellow certified ai slop hater

[coarse bay]

I dont actually care, its a funny thing being thrown around for everything

I mean actual ai slop i hate

[tribal wharf]

im sorry man, the new koth is shit

[round pendant]

Yogi takes can't hurt you

Let it go, breathe

[tribal wharf]

i seen a variety of 30 - 60 second clips from it

[round pendant]

it's tough

[tribal wharf]

and fuck it, im never watching

i made up my mind, too bad

[round pendant]

lmao "it's shit" followed by "I've watched some 30-60 second clips"

[undone beacon]

oof

[solid sun]

Yogi are you blackpilled

[undone beacon]

short form media consumption

[mighty valley]

local chatgpt user has no attention span

[tribal wharf]

i mean, sure, you generally watch a trailer or 2 of a movie before you go see it right

[solid sun]

No

[round pendant]

I'd never call the movie itself shit if I didn't like the trailer

[solid sun]

I don’t watch trailers

I call harrow and ask if I should watch it

[round pendant]

JESUS Yogi

KOTH S14 has a 98% on RT

[coarse bay]

Ill very often call a trailer bad though. It’s impressive what they think will draw people

[round pendant]

You better back up that opinion with something substantial or you're just cooked at that point

[tribal wharf]

i don't have any intention of watching it personally

maybe 15 years from now?

[round pendant]

oh right, it'll be good once it's old

classic yogi

[mighty valley]

i kinda feel like new koth was being graded on a curve a bit because it's pleasantly surprising when a revival like that isn't awful

i don't think it's as good as the best of the original but yeah, decent

[tribal wharf]

old king of the hill felt like real life growing up in the 80's and 90's

[round pendant]

I consume short form media. It's kpop chick clips on youtube

how bad am I

[undone beacon]

terribad

[round pendant]

[tribal wharf]

and it just kinda slightly moved away from that with the new one

[mighty valley]

yogi you haven't seen it and you called it ai slop

[tribal wharf]

i still think if they are going to have bobby do his own restaurant it should be propane rather than charcoal

[round pendant]

lmao

[mighty valley]

and yeah. it's not about. being in the 90s. because it's not

ok i'm done

[round pendant]

S+ tier ragebait

[undone beacon]

Back in my day we watched 3+ hour video essays where no substantial points are made and they just over explain the plot with no insightful commentary

[tribal wharf]

im sorry man, the new one is just trash to me

until i maybe come around to it

[round pendant]

No it's NOT

what do you mean

You've not watched it

[coarse bay]

Ive gotten into some short form content holes before, music videos and dancing videos

The dancing vids were apparently like tiktok things but w/e

[round pendant]

You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced Yogi, it doesn't work like that

[mighty valley]

ok. i'm reminding myself that yogi was angry about housing in wow for MONTHS because you can't harvest lumber

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, i dont like the way they dismiss the old characters and sort of denegrate them

[undone beacon]

I’ve watched at least three episodes worth of Raymond Reddington through YouTube shorts

[round pendant]

Those show up inbetween my kpop chicks

I think I've seen about that much too

and I've determined the show is probably entirely carried by James Spader

[solid sun]

Are music videos are short form video content.

[tribal wharf]

bill is a crazy person, hank is too, and has a counterpart good hank, wtf is that, peggy is still crazy, dale is totally different character

[solid sun]

Isn’t short form videos like shorts

[tribal wharf]

im sorry, i just dont like what they did to the show

[solid sun]

And just like 30ish seconds

[undone beacon]

110% it seems

[mighty valley]

you haven't seen the show, none of this is accurate

[undone beacon]

Music videos =/= K-pop chick clips

[round pendant]

I love this chat

[coarse bay]

Is pash on team k-pop

[round pendant]

Yogi, please never change

[tribal wharf]

bobby has a new restaurant that he doesnt have full ownership of due to reasons

[solid sun]

I fucking hate Tolkien

[tribal wharf]

and he uses charcaol or something else to cook rather than propane which hank his dad disagrees with

bill is protrayed as being inside since covid and now 800 pounds

[solid sun]

Writing books about how elves are awesome and goblins suck and short people are better than tall people

[undone beacon]

I’m entirely ambivalent to kpop. No strong opinions either way

[tribal wharf]

theres a new "good hank" which i dont even fucking know

and they changed dales character for the worst imho

[mighty valley]

this is a gag that lasts for one scene. the next episode he looks like normal bill and does for the rest of the season

[solid sun]

I only read a few paragraphs of Tolkien but

I already know why it sucks

[tribal wharf]

well, maybe they got backlash for it or something i dunno lol

[round pendant]

Rhino you gotta space out the bait ragebait from the real ragebait

it's too obvious

[mighty valley]

I saw some screenshots and it’s just all songs in elf language??

[tribal wharf]

but i dunno, it just paints it in a way im not entirely fond of

[solid sun]

Yeah like back in the 90s those songs would have been good

But Tolkien used ai slop songs

[undone beacon]

That’s not quite how that works for a modern tv series but, I digress

[tribal wharf]

i didnt much care for lotr because it is too much normal person NNEEERRDDD stuff for my liking, i liked, the book, the hobbit

that was good

[round pendant]

This ragebait is good but you did it too early rhino

wait what

no, no

I will not be ragebaited

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[tribal wharf]

sorry, im not that huge of a fan of LOTR

i mean, its not the worst

[solid sun]

Basically Tolkien ripped off doom too much

[undone beacon]

Alright here’s my take for the day.
I find Star Wars to be entirely obnoxious and cannot enjoy any facet of the franchise

[tribal wharf]

i mean thats literally the game i played 40 + hours last week

tolkien + doom

[mighty valley]

did you see any andor

[round pendant]

I don't like star wars either

[mighty valley]

only star wars tv show i've enjoyed

[tribal wharf]

bats and dragons and undead knights and shit

[undone beacon]

I heard good things about Andor but I will admit my bias has dragged it to the bottom of my watchlist

[tribal wharf]

SW is, off and on for me, but it got worse over time like star trek

[undone beacon]

I’ve seen a clip or two on YouTube of like, prison floors that kill you or something and that seemed like an intriguing segment but as soon as I scroll past it leaves my consciousness

[tribal wharf]

i saw 7 and 8 in the theatre and i brought a light up light saber to it and when i turned it on waved it around in the opening credit crawl everybody clapped

[round pendant]

I just think star wars is a bit goofy

It's weird, I like fantasy and I like sci-fi

[mighty valley]

they were goofy fun movies for kids that people got too into

[round pendant]

but mix them together and I don't like it

[tribal wharf]

years and years ago

[round pendant]

I think they're good though, I just don't really vibe with em

[tribal wharf]

i posted my netflix history here

[solid sun]

Star Wars definitely grew beyond what it was ever entitled to be

It’s just space fantasy shit that’s cool to watch and eat some popcorn during

[tribal wharf]

same with half life

and now idiots everwhere

wont shut the fuck up

ever

about "HALF LIFE 3 CUNFURMED!!!!!111ONE"

fuckin, ya, i want it too, 1 and 2 was great sure

but holy fuck calm the fuck down, accept it maybe is never coming? or will be what you want?

[undone beacon]

I think that’s been a bit in the gaming community for like, a decade now

[tribal wharf]

decade?

you mean since episode 1?

so like, 2 decades

[undone beacon]

Why would they be asking for half life 3 when the first episode released

Silly Billy

[tribal wharf]

because hl2 was as big of an event as terminator 2 movie

did you forget why half life 2 even got released?

some dude in the UK hacked steam because he was feinding so badly for hl2

[round pendant]

it was me

[tribal wharf]

and then he got internationally arrested, and then work began on hl2

[round pendant]

I did it

proof? I'm from the UK

[undone beacon]

sorry i dont remember how big an event the release of HL2 was i was literally 3 years old

[grizzled nova]

I think it's less to do with an expanded universe and more that the franchise ended on a ridiculous cliff hanger that they've never continued.

[round pendant]

Don't remind me

[undone beacon]

anyways, HL3 when?

[round pendant]

It won't be the same even if it gets made

[tribal wharf]

if i had it my way never

[round pendant]

Valve lost their touch

[solid sun]

I don’t like horror

So I never played half-life

[round pendant]

There's very little horror in hl tho

[undone beacon]

The only thing that can kill Valve/Steam is HL3 releasing

[tribal wharf]

its more of a suspense and action survival rather than horror

[undone beacon]

Because it will never be able to live up to the suspense

[round pendant]

I kinda want portal 3 more than hl3

[tribal wharf]

something like fear is more of a horror game

[solid sun]

Are there facehugger crabs

[round pendant]

yeah

[solid sun]

That you fight off with a crowbar

[undone beacon]

Too bad, have some deadlock

[tribal wharf]

NO

[solid sun]

Sounds like horror

[tribal wharf]

you have it all fucking wrong

[round pendant]

deadlock is pretty cool

I wish I could motivate myself to play it

[tribal wharf]

they are head crabs

and they jump on your head and use some spike thing to attach to your brain

[grizzled nova]

HL2 ended on the equivalent of Luke lining up the shot on the exhaust port, turning off the targetting computer, finally accepting the force, and firing off the torpedos, and then it immediately cuts to black.

[round pendant]

yeah they don't hug your face

[grizzled nova]

And you get nothing else.

[round pendant]

they hug your cranium

[mighty valley]

half life 2 sold like 2-3 million copies around release. which is impressive. but terminator 2 made half a billion bucks

[undone beacon]

I played deadlock for like a week before they added the latest round of new guys (the bellhop and the vampire guy and all that), it was fun against bots but in actual lobbies it was kinda suck

[tribal wharf]

so, then its a headcrab zombie, you gotta shoot it in the head.....crab.....

[mighty valley]

half a billion bucks in 90s money

[solid sun]

Deadlock is insanely difficult

Not only do you need to be good at MOBAs but you also gotta be good at shooty games

[undone beacon]

I was a Warden guy, idk i loved his stupid little flask and lockdown shit

[round pendant]

I played it for 13 hours entirely pvp and I liked it tbh

that was in sep 2024

Idk what it's like now but it was fun, but I like most mobas until I start taking them seriously

[solid sun]

The people in the lobby started getting so good and sweaty

[undone beacon]

Maybe i was just in shit lobbies but i played like 3 pvp games and got trounced in all three despite my best efforts and then havent logged back in since

[solid sun]

I couldn’t keep up

[tribal wharf]

mobas arent for me

[round pendant]

mobas are hard

[undone beacon]

people arguing in the lobby about meta picks for a game in beta

and then dying because they arent paying attention

[round pendant]

lmao

[tribal wharf]

season 2 league match pick screen is in my brain forever

[round pendant]

I genuinely think pvp games are just dying

[tribal wharf]

like that donald duck and the gorilla cartoon from 1940s

[mighty valley]

i think my competitive pvp multiplayer days are behind me

[tribal wharf]

every single frame and sound effect is in my brain forever

[round pendant]

People are too insufferable on them nowadays

and cheaters everywhere

[undone beacon]

is it that people are too insufferable now or that your tolerance for bullshit has gone down dramatically

[tribal wharf]

that's always was when it comes to moba i think

[mighty valley]

my name is on a plaque in riot hq for an internal tournament win (silver division lol), that's good enough for me

[round pendant]

We need to as a society instill the value of sportsmanship in people

bring back dueling

[undone beacon]

i feel like theres so many clips and vids of people being insufferable assholes in games 10, 20 years ago

[round pendant]

because fucking hell online gamers are insufferable

[tribal wharf]

i remember players in warcraft 3 would have automated bots to kick you out of a custom match if you didnt have the right files (even though there was a downloader for it in the rooms)

[solid sun]

Mike Tyson was right

[tribal wharf]

yet another example of "extremely EX clusionary"

[undone beacon]

extreme ex clussy

[round pendant]

yeah I mean it's always been a thing but idk it feels worse now

[solid sun]

Social media and saying shit behind keyboards just got people way too comfortable saying stuff they’d never say in real life

[round pendant]

might just be because I'm older and have less patience for cunts now

that's wild that that word doesn't get me automodded

[undone beacon]

its easier than ever to be a dick on the internet, and you have less patience for people. Together, online pvp games are simply insufferable

[round pendant]

also everyone's a meta sweat even when they themselves suck ass at the game

gives them a sense of entitlement

[chilly brook]

PvP games are great

[round pendant]

cause they know the best strat and if they see you not following it they go giga toxic

even though lil gup doesn't need to do the meta in average ranks

[chilly brook]

at least once you learn the secret to enjoy them

[round pendant]

lmao

[undone beacon]

I mean that happens in PvE too. Tanks getting flamed for not doing MDI routes in their 12s :3

[chilly brook]

Press tab -> mute all

[round pendant]

I've had people throw games within 2 minutes in 3000 ELO dota 2 because I picked an offmeta offlaner

like what the fuck?

[mighty valley]

people were bad back then too, we just didn't have the tools to spread it

[tribal wharf]

i personally think the era of online gaming is coming to an end fully

[mighty valley]

now there's like, an industry based around being obnoxious in multiplayer games

[tribal wharf]

or well not so much online, but with other ppl

[round pendant]

yeah it happens in any game where your performance affects another person

it's just worse in pvp

[tribal wharf]

there just seems to be way too much drama and little tiny things about it

that make it never work

[undone beacon]

false, friendslop is alive and well

[tribal wharf]

friend games sure

pvp more

i dont think there will be a new call of duty

where all the bros are excited world wide again

[daring marlin]

Shit cracks me up when people clearly get mad and ragequit in Nightreign

[tribal wharf]

that they can shoot 2 dudes heads off with 1 sniper bullet

[chilly brook]

LoL silver matches are entertaining when my top laner tells me how to JG but all he ends up communicating to me is that he has no concept of how macro in the game works

[daring marlin]

hey bro not my fault you didn't avoid the field boss at level 2 I'm not getting you up dummy

[tribal wharf]

i really really dont like league

i had a bad crash out over it years and years ago

and i swore never again i would play it in a serious manner

[round pendant]

Yeah it's like wow, the most toxic players are all in the trenches, but they somehow think they're gods amongst men

it's just a struggle to push out of those trenches yourself to be allowed to start enjoying the game

[chilly brook]

league is fun tbh, but it's a test of how much desire you have to improve and how much self control you have to just not engage and press the mute button

[round pendant]

if it's not a game you can solo carry

[undone beacon]

me when in diamond glory ladder the power bottom tells me (midtop) how I need to JFL my OPIE when he's just sitting on the NCP like a loser

[tribal wharf]

i feel like im going through the motions with league

and i get disinterested VERY fast

but it makes it so you literally cant quit or or rage out so im forever done with league

[chilly brook]

Hey I mean I've done it from the very bottom of iron all the way into gold now so as long as you just focus on how to do better on your end and basically just ignore the other players on your team you'll eventually start carrying 😛

[mighty valley]

power bottom is just a harder role, try playing it for literally one match then come back and say shit like this

[tribal wharf]

go AFK or get reported, you have to wait 20 minutes before even que'ing each time

FUCK THAT SHIT

[solid sun]

I think the biggest deterrent to mean people is challenging them to Mario kart

They know they’ll lose

[round pendant]

yeah I mean I suck ass at mobas so

I was only ever average at dota in my 1600 hours

I dunno how to improve at that game

[tribal wharf]

i had a bad game, so now im punished for being salty or wanting to disconnect from that feeling

jesus

[solid sun]

I played so much Dota

[undone beacon]

I knew people whose lives were consumed by dota in college

[solid sun]

Even went to Seattle for the international

[tribal wharf]

what an utterly toxic thing that is

[solid sun]

It’s amazing how much I still sucked

[round pendant]

I mean Yogi, there's 9 other people in the game, why should you be allowed to just leave? You signed up for it

[undone beacon]

like failed classes because they were playing dota

[round pendant]

you're the one being toxic

[chilly brook]

yeah so that's called having no mental/emotional control

[tribal wharf]

well you cant leave right

because if you do you start getting wait timers

so you are FORCED into playing it out

[mighty valley]

i think you made the right choice not playing any more competitive pvp games

[tribal wharf]

probably while your mad

[round pendant]

what the fuck did you just say

[tribal wharf]

again FUCK THAT

[chilly brook]

and you should....

otherwise you will never learn how to play from behind

[round pendant]

chatgpt user has severe entitlement issues

shocker

[mighty valley]

if you get into an uncontrollable rage because a video game is going badly, you just shouldn't play that kind of game

[chilly brook]

^^^^

[round pendant]

I get into a rage when I play tekken

[tribal wharf]

im just gunna continue to be upset for rest of match, and maybe match lasts another 40 minutes

[round pendant]

it's like my most shameful character trait

I've worked so hard on it over the years

[tribal wharf]

or the pizza guy crashes into a tree in my yard again

[chilly brook]

because you chose to be upset

[tribal wharf]

so now im thinking about that rather than the game

[mighty valley]

lmao fighting game rage isn't ideal but at least the match is over soon and there are no teammates to affect

[chilly brook]

instead of using it to learn

[tribal wharf]

i have such a hatred to league its unreal

[undone beacon]

This is why i play my fun lil indie games like Risk of Rain or Picayune Dreams. I be vibin and enjoying my time

[round pendant]

The worst thing is the shame I feel afterwards

I hate it about myself

[chilly brook]

you have a hatred for any game that is mildly difficult

[mighty valley]

shame is better than messaging your opponent and ending up on scrubquotes

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-dunkle-turbulence-heavy-shame-gif-20292739

[round pendant]

lmao

[tribal wharf]

you realize i play doom right

[round pendant]

yogi thinks doom is hard

[chilly brook]

doom is hard?

[round pendant]

lmao

[chilly brook]

this just in 30 year old game is hard

[tribal wharf]

on UV, yes doom is hard game

[round pendant]

I mean I tried to encourage yogi to have a more positive and growth focused mindset when it came to m+ years ago

but he just blames other shit and quits

[chilly brook]

I know

he's allergic to self improvement

[round pendant]

I'd even go as far as calling yogi a toxic casual

😔

[chilly brook]

and only cares about boomer games that he uses as some metric of accomplishment

[tribal wharf]

i suffered through SL and then there was rlp in df

and i said okay

thats enough of that

[undone beacon]

Yogi is what Khailby is destined to become

[round pendant]

yeah you felt a bit of friction and gave up

[tribal wharf]

10012349i834219831248790345890122890134 billion fire damage

in a 15 or 20 or whaever rlp key

again, fuck that

[round pendant]

Did you ever consider that other players were doing it np and it might just be a skill issue?

That should motivate you to improve

[chilly brook]

could never be that yam

[tribal wharf]

everythings a 1 shot on weekly cap farm keys, and its a skill issue

[chilly brook]

those other players can't even play doom on UV

[round pendant]

I got my healer friend to start taking steps to improving rather than just playing within his comfort zone

and he's so mad midnight sucks cause s3 was his favourite time playing wow in forever

[tribal wharf]

without saving, and certainly pistol starting doom on UV is indeed "hard"

definitionally hard

[undone beacon]

is it hard or is it attainable

[round pendant]

You probably suck at DOOM, Yogi

[mighty valley]

yogi you shared clips of your play, we know the problem wasn't the game

[round pendant]

I don't remember any one shots from RLP 20

actually idk if I even did rlp 20, I wasn't getting portals back then because aforementioned friend didn't want to do more than the bare minimum for gear

[tribal wharf]

LOL i mean, i cant really do the wall running and speed running of doom that easily (the mechanic, not the act of speed running a wad)

and my BFG isnt perfect

[round pendant]

but 16 was the max for gear rewards iirc and nothing one shot then

[mighty valley]

rlp 2nd boss really did fuck you up, not a one-shot, just the worst bleed over and over again

the rare required team healing/cleansing effort

[tribal wharf]

fortified weeks i just outright refused to run RLP

the ring trash

too many kicks

too much damage

not enough time

[chilly brook]

tbf midnight not out yet 😛

[mighty valley]

they nerfed it a lot eventually

[round pendant]

yeah I only did a RLP 18

man I sucked

[fathom oasis]

Favorite thing in RLP was people butt pulling dragons

[round pendant]

Healers are in an absolute joke of a state though

They're just demonstrably bad and boring

[chilly brook]

is it my time to shine?

as pres?

[round pendant]

good luck tracking your buffs or whatever

heard some people malding about prevoker and the lack of buff filtering and only being able to see 4 buffs

[tribal wharf]

if you guys want to say i suck at og doom or whatever, fine

maybe i do

[chilly brook]

I don't know if you do

[tribal wharf]

i want to see your guys playthroughs of UV

[round pendant]

I'm so mad that my friend didn't want to push higher than necessary in DF, I never got all the portals

[tribal wharf]

lets see how good you are and doom UV

[round pendant]

I look like a complete scrub in DF

it's shameful

[tribal wharf]

you can do all the saving or whatever strategies you want

[chilly brook]

What I do know is you back down from whatever you're doing as soon as you hit something mildly inconvenient and don't listen to advice

[round pendant]

Me not being good at doom doesn't disprove our points yogi

[tribal wharf]

but there is 1 rule, no cheating of any kind

no cheat codes

no removing engine limitations

[chilly brook]

bro you're acting like I know shit about a game from 30 years ago

[tribal wharf]

cuz, techincally, in doom 1 , with free look, and jump you can rocket jump tou alot of crazy OOB places

[chilly brook]

the game is older than me chief

[tribal wharf]

i did that for "free doom" and compeltely broken the games progression

well its simple right

[round pendant]

You being good at doom makes it worse btw

[tribal wharf]

doom on UV isnt hard

so lets see your gameplay

[round pendant]

lmao

[chilly brook]

are you like....57?

[unreal yarrow]

Mid forties is peak doom player

[round pendant]

If he's good at doom that means he's taken the time to deal with sucking and gotten better, but then he still copes and seethes over wow or league being hard, rather than just getting good

[tribal wharf]

play it on UV, no cheat codes, no original limitation removal

[round pendant]

I'm not sure what's worse

if he's good or bad at doom

[tribal wharf]

hell, play it on ITYTD if you are that scared, i dont care

[mighty valley]

i think it makes sense, doom doesn't really have a lot of things to blame outside yourself, it's not changing

[chilly brook]

I still want to know how old Yogi is, no one under 40 is talking about DOOM like people know or care about it

[round pendant]

eh I know of doom and like doom

never played it much though

I'm 29

[mighty valley]

ok griff let's not start slandering the 40+ crowd

[round pendant]

my brother is 38 and has played it a bunch but not as a kid

[mighty valley]

wouldn't want anyone innocent to catch strays. not that i know any

[round pendant]

so I place yogi at around 43-45 years old

[tribal wharf]

doom is even harder than what im playing now, heretic, same engine

[chilly brook]

I only do it because my life is joever in 2 weeks when I turn 30

[tribal wharf]

but alot of the items are inventory and you on demand use them, where in doom

you hav to know there is 4 25 health packs in this room

and this is how i go to that room

[mighty valley]

yeah that's fair, you gotta rage against the dying of the light at 29

[tribal wharf]

and you have to worry about pooling your bullets, shells and plasam

so you arent wasting it all, when you need it

[chilly brook]

my gaming days might be behind me soon :pepehand

[tribal wharf]

im sorry but doom UV is objectively bordering on definitionally hard

nightmare is just, unfair

[chilly brook]

if things go to plan I won't be touching a vidja game or at least not my computer for probably like 6 months

[mighty valley]

i'm sure doom is very hard at high difficulties but not as hard as interacting with other human beings

[tribal wharf]

for og doom there is basically 3 game modes

[round pendant]

I mean I'd argue shit like mobas are some of the hardest games

and on top of that it's pvp

[tribal wharf]

UV: normal person, nightmare: crazy person, , anything lower than UV: child or elder person

[round pendant]

idk what this cope is though

[mighty valley]

well the hard part about mobas is that they throw new situations at you every game basically, and that comes from the pvp

they're complex systems but if they were pve they'd be solvable, yanno

[round pendant]

Yogi's evidence for not quitting games when they get tough is that he's not quit doom yet which he believes to be hard

[mighty valley]

same way that doom is hard i'm sure but it's a static challenge, it's solvable through repeated practice

[round pendant]

or maybe doom just isn't that hard

[tribal wharf]

post og doom on UV video

[round pendant]

it's not a very complex game or mechanically hard to play

[tribal wharf]

then i'll disuss it with you

[round pendant]

nah you suck at wow so I don't trust your opinion on this

see how that works?

[mighty valley]

i watched a lot of 30 seconds clips of yogi's play so i'm pretty sure he's just ai slop

BRINGING IT BACK AROUND

[mighty valley]

don't you dare fire up the "what is difficulty" discourse again

[round pendant]

Yogi started talking about difficulty not me

[daring marlin]

yogi-isms are the best

[round pendant]

I really don't think I've ever met anybody with such cooked takes

I still like him tho

[mighty valley]

unique character

[tribal wharf]

explain difference between mlook and freelook to me

mr doom expert

ahah, so quiet now

[round pendant]

He's flexing his doom skills rn

[tribal wharf]

with no response

[round pendant]

I can't tell if he's being serious

[mighty valley]

i'm not sure what the goal is here

if we admit that he's good at doom, it's league of legends' fault that he lost games?

[round pendant]

yes

Because that certifies him as a gamer

and gamers don't lose

unless the game is broken

[dusky canopy]

Yam never bricked a key before confirmed

[round pendant]

It's always someone elses fault

I keep trying to type emotes that I can't use

[chilly brook]

Here’s the clean breakdown:
Freelook
What it does:
Freelook lets you look up and down independently of movement.
Mouse up/down = look up/down
Mouse left/right = turn left/right
Forward/back = move forward/back
Strafing stays normal
This is the modern FPS standard. You can aim vertically without affecting where you’re moving.
In practice:
Feels like Quake, Half-Life, modern shooters
Best for precision aiming and vertical combat
Most players use this today
Mlook (Mouse Look)
What it does:
Mlook ties mouse movement to both looking and movement, depending on direction.
Mouse up = move forward
Mouse down = move backward
Mouse left/right = turn left/right
Looking up/down is limited or disabled
This comes from early DOOM-era control schemes before vertical aiming was common.
In practice:
Feels old-school and floaty
Aiming vertically is either automatic or very restricted
Movement and aiming are linked, which can feel awkward today

oh boy

[tribal wharf]

uhuh

[chilly brook]

am I a master now?

[round pendant]

ai slop 😔

[tribal wharf]

when you post UV doom og footage, sure maybe,

[chilly brook]

[undone beacon]

i tabbed out to do the prepatch into questline, what did i miss

[tribal wharf]

thats just a single aspect of doom

what you posted

[round pendant]

we bruised yogi's ego now he's flexing his doom skills

[chilly brook]

I bet you chatgpt could beat doom on UV

[undone beacon]

did u guys know u can run doom on a calculator

[round pendant]

Yogi is so familiar with doom and it's systems that he runs it in his own neurons

[mighty valley]

it's kinda crazy to think that i played doom entirely on a keyboard as a kid

just put up with not being able to look up or down without question

[round pendant]

well I'm pretty sure it never had up/down looking until it was modded in

[unreal yarrow]

Same, then a friend explained circle strafing. Big level up moment

[round pendant]

and your gun just auto aims vertically

[unreal yarrow]

Yeah, mouse just gave precise turns

[round pendant]

Because original doom wasn't actually 3d

[chilly brook]

I think Yogi just needs a hobby outside of gaming and needs to go touch grass

[unreal yarrow]

Says the 29 year old. Go live life while your back doesn't hurt

[chilly brook]

brother I'm going to go talk to my recruiter later today, trust me I'll be living plenty of life

[round pendant]

I think Yogi is fine

[chilly brook]

[round pendant]

He's at least not a mean spirited guy

[mighty valley]

i mean i think everyone needs hobbies outside of gaming

[unreal yarrow]

Enlisting at 29? US?

[mighty valley]

yogi confounds me but i agree that he's not a malevolent presence

[solid sun]

Reading books is a great hobby

[mighty valley]

agreed

[solid sun]

DnD and tabletop gaming is also a great hobby

[solid sun]

And DMing harrow

[chilly brook]

I go touch grass every weekend

[toxic pewter]

im about to start reading

[tribal wharf]

pass on DM

for me

i am the player

[chilly brook]

yeah because I'm a silly boi who decided fuck it I'm not too old

[solid sun]

No I mean direct messaging harrow

You don’t dungeon master harrow because they are a professional writer and you will get judged

[mighty valley]

i don't think everyone should have that hobby

i always think to myself that i'd be good at and enjoy DMing

but i bet i'd suck

don't think i'd be that good at the improv side of it all

[round pendant]

I hate improv

[solid sun]

I think you’d be good at it

You typed the funniest line this discord has ever seen before

And it was right off the cuff

Yam would also probably be good

But also annoyed with the rest of the party

For being idiots

[round pendant]

D&D just doesn't appeal to me

I don't like roleplay

I'm not very creative

Rhino I don't get annoyed at idiots

[toxic pewter]

some say I am the improv master

[chilly brook]

I actually agree with apb

[round pendant]

Also my friend who's into D&D always has horror stories about his groups

completely turned me off ever trying it

not that I was that interested in the first place

[solid sun]

Definitely important to have a group you gel with

[mighty valley]

Delete this

[chilly brook]

he's great at improv

I can't lie

he's always coming up with new cooked takes

[toxic pewter]

I am a rare individual.. I, simuntaneously, have the silent majory and the vocal minority that love

[mighty valley]

apb never "yes, ands" me

[solid sun]

Usually it’s no, but

Not yes, and

[toxic pewter]

Lol

na its no, and and yes, but

BOOM

IMPROV'D

LMAO

got em

[round pendant]

no but ye but no but ye but

this is a very british reference

does anyone get it

[mighty valley]

i understood that reference 😔

[round pendant]

wtf, really?

[toxic pewter]

People actually reference my understandings...

that is what seperates me from normal people

[mighty valley]

yam i grew up in the british isles

moved to the us in 2008

i know the references sadly

[round pendant]

Nice

[toxic pewter]

Dude

I had a feeling you were somehow linked to Britain

[mighty valley]

i have mentioned being scottish before

[toxic pewter]

my britain-sense always goin off

[round pendant]

He's missing the spark of life

just like me

[mighty valley]

steady on, i'm not english

[round pendant]

lmao

[mighty valley]

god even saying "steady on" is insanely british

i have to kill it

[round pendant]

You can't escape who you are

[chilly brook]

tally ho

[dusky canopy]

Hi ho hi ho off to…

[round pendant]

allo guvna

[solid sun]

I fought a war just to not get British references

[round pendant]

I'm british but I don't really feel it

[solid sun]

No red coats allowed

[round pendant]

is it supposed to feel a particular way outside of depressing

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-benjammins-stereotype-meme-govnor-gif-1655441596902545544

me

as an american

[solid sun]

Idk but I am curious about the food there

[round pendant]

british food slaps

[mighty valley]

americans or british people doing "other food bad" is always cringe

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-maybe-good-maybe-shit-gif-15610659

[round pendant]

you just gotta accept that most of it is beige and that doesn't change how yummers it is

[mighty valley]

everyone's got their slop (original meaning)

[dusky canopy]

What’s the other one besides ello govna

[round pendant]

yeah it's beyond old at this point

[round pendant]

there's a few

like

wotcha

aye/ey up

alright duck?

[toxic pewter]

i watch this one british place they make meat pie with liquor (green colored parsley liquid) and jellied eels lol actually looks so good

[round pendant]

if we're talkin greetings

[chilly brook]

I'M A PROPPER NAUGHTY GEEZER MATE

[drowsy comet]

good boy

[dusky canopy]

I’m so going to butcher this..
Isn’t paupet a British thing?

I don’t know how to spell it

[mighty valley]

i'd spell it poppet but sure, that's a thing kindly old ladies would say to a wee lad

[dusky canopy]

Lmao why do I sorta know this term

[round pendant]

Yeah poppet

[dusky canopy]

Maybe a Disney movie

[chilly brook]

on the topic of british food, these fellas keep popping up in my youtube and I want to go eat at their restaurant...

https://youtu.be/5y684a_GcSQ?si=uAvVuaRTDMf9Gwzh

[drowsy comet]

Puppet

[round pendant]

There's also "mush"

That one is niche af tho

and honestly kinda doxes me

almost

[raw whale]

Hi team, if you check the talent Fearless, would you consider it would remove roots ?

[toxic pewter]

no roots

only slows

[raw whale]

dang

Thank you apb, i didn't recognize you with your new pfp

[toxic pewter]

no prob and im sure of it cuz i pvp a lot

[dusky canopy]

Try charging

[toxic pewter]

and our lack of root break

is very bad spot right now

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

oh true that charge hero talent but im playing thane

[chilly brook]

how is pvp with all the pruning?

[dusky canopy]

The PvP guy says arms is down down bad

[toxic pewter]

im playing fury and im just going around literally massacreing people ive prob murdered no less than 2-3 thousand dudes since pre patch started

[chilly brook]

I could care less about the spec balance

[toxic pewter]

yeah i was arms but fury is insane

[raw whale]

What charge hero talent ?

[toxic pewter]

and a lot of fun

[chilly brook]

just more interested in the overall experience of if it's better with less shit

[dusky canopy]

In like bgs?

[toxic pewter]

eh ieven in pvp still take the cdr talent

[dusky canopy]

Fury is ok in bgs right now?

[toxic pewter]

everything

ss

bgb

world pvp

[dusky canopy]

Unfair and un balanced advantage against other players!?

My kind of pvp

[toxic pewter]

just wild thunder blast actually hits like a truck more fun than slayer imo

like blasting dudes for 30k

and shit

which is a lot sorta

[chilly brook]

worst part about pvp is simply there's so many interactions and knowledge to learn, I would assume the pruning did something to help lessen the barrier?

[raw whale]

What talent remove roots with charge ?

[toxic pewter]

hero talent in slayer

[dusky canopy]

Slayer

[raw whale]

Ahhh

I'm prot

😄

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I was chatting

Poor Prot

[toxic pewter]

but in pvp the cd is higher

so its not as great in pvp

its like 2 min cd

[chilly brook]

what you don't have slayer as prot? smh works fine for me

jkjk

[toxic pewter]

dude ngl pvp is great now that everyone is on same playing field without weak auras basically

great time to give it a shot

balance is not great but in midnight it prob will be

[chilly brook]

yeah actually one of the things I was excited about regarding the loss of combat addons and some pruning

[dusky canopy]

Sick fury slayer gameplay is having both avatar and reck macroed since they have basically same cooldown

[toxic pewter]

I LITERALLY have that macro

and the cdr

from anger management

is great

and the extended avatars from thane

its actually a lot of fun

[dusky canopy]

Bro stg @lusty grotto lurkin just waiting for somebody to slip

[toxic pewter]

just 1v1 another warrior to the death

[round pendant]

That's a hampter not a rat

[dusky canopy]

No u

Ramptser

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-gif-4982762588848687194

I am the rat

[round pendant]

I can hear that gif

[solid sun]

Is bangers and mash good

The name kind of suggests it has a lot to live up to

[mighty valley]

Kinda like asking if spaghetti is good

I'm sure it's possible to fuck it up with bad sausages, bad mash, no gravy, whatever

[tribal wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vnZNF9ax3BcbHRQT?fight=last yogi do a 20

okay, you do uv doom

[solid sun]

Is it like any kind of sausage

Like could I go to the grocery store and get just any sausage at all and add some mashed taters on the side and call it bangers and mash

[mighty valley]

Yeah you wouldn't be arrested for saying it

[solid sun]

Or would that be some kind of bastardization of it

[mighty valley]

America doesn't usually have a great selection of sausages at the butcher counter compared to the UK tbh

Just get the best you can

Put them on a bed of mash

Onion gravy

Magic

[solid sun]

Cause like with spaghetti people do all kinds of stuff right. Spaghetti with no meat. Spaghetti with meat. With meatballs. With hot dogs. With chicken

But there’s like a most correct form of spaghetti

Onion gravy

Bet

I’m gonna make some bangers and mash

[mighty valley]

Don't shortcut cooking the onions

Let them get really gooey

Low heat for like... an hour

[undone beacon]

its been 30 minutes and ive missed like 200 messages, chat is poppin today

[orchid mural]

Hello!

Wondering if others have experience the fact that cooldown numbers are now appearing on icons, even when the option is turned off in the blizz UI.

This is new yes? pretty sure ....

[dusky canopy]

If you have the option turned off in the Blizz settings then it’s probably another addon doing it

[chilly brook]

I beg to differ

depends on where you're at in America

[mighty valley]

have you been to a british butcher

[chilly brook]

I've not been to Britain so no

[mighty valley]

i mean, you are right in that america is a country of 350M+ people, you can find high quality anything somewhere

but compared to most regions, british people care more about sausages

[chilly brook]

but I also live in Texas, and some of these Texans are wild about sausage

Louisianna also loves sausage

[coarse bay]

Ik bad day to actually do work

I feel like so much happened while i was here, but ive somehow missed even more

[chilly brook]

My local butcher has so many different types of sausage just littered throughout the store

[undone beacon]

My 2:00 scrum meeting was just cancelled, more time to kill rares in this thrilling prepatch adventure

[cerulean tusk]

You see raremobs spawn in?

I saw one when I flew into the zone, then I waited a hour, nothing. So I just left with my 1/3 done, never to return.

As much fun this event is, I rather spoon my eyes out with a rusty bent nail.

[jagged pier]

scrum in the afternoon?

[undone beacon]

yeah idk my manager does that

he's an odd fellow

[jagged pier]

but thats such a distuptor to the day just have them in the morning then ppl can focus

[undone beacon]

To be fair he cancels 90% of them

I think we only have that meeting once, maybe twice a month in reality

[jagged pier]

but then its not scrum

[drowsy comet]

[tribal wharf]

GOD im completed that 415 kill map and im still not done with the wad

this one is hell

[undone beacon]

scrum is just another corporate buzzword at this point jakey we both know it

we can improve our operational efficiency with a daily scrum to brainstorm and collaborate

[mighty valley]

i hate standing meetings that get canceled half the time

my brain still starts to wrap up whatever it's doing in anticipation

[jagged pier]

actually have a good SM so scrum actually isnt for me as in buzzword for me

[undone beacon]

agreed. Then it gets cancelled 15 minutes before and i find it hard to snap back into whatever i was doing

It was so much worse when i was in sales though, we'd have customer calls scheduled and they'd cancel 3 minutes after the start of the meeting

[round pendant]

shit slaps

[undone beacon]

man this prepatch event is bussin

i love playing 50 matches of tictactoe then flying between rare spawn points to do the same mini event every 10 minutes so i can get my mount and go home

[tribal wharf]

i've had it in spirit at least once

not something im crazy about but sure whatever

it liks casserole or pizza or salad or stew

[solid sun]

I’m tired, dudes

[undone beacon]

is having a meal in spirit like watching a 30-60 second clip of the new KotH

[solid sun]

I think it’s time to retire

[tribal wharf]

its just sort , not slop is not the word i am going to use

but like, a gathering of food materials

burrito and hamburger has same effect

and placed in a planned way cooked certain way

[mighty valley]

bro discovered "recipes"

[solid sun]

🤣

[tribal wharf]

and you could probably swap out like 70% of the materials in each group (the meat, the vegetables, the liquid portion)

and so any meal like that is like, eh

okay

and then like make a porkchop and salmon is 100% different but the same where its salt and pepper and other preperation i'll call it

[undone beacon]

Brother what are you yapping about

[solid sun]

I have no idea what this means

[tribal wharf]

i'd rather have a good solo steak or whatever

[mighty valley]

let him cook (literal)

[tribal wharf]

but a stew thing will do just fine

[solid sun]

What’s your favorite dish

[tribal wharf]

for shits and giggles and since its all gone now, i'll go with Christmas candies

[undone beacon]

Your favorite dish is christmas candy?

[tribal wharf]

there is 3 in particular, which is macaroons,, i dunno the word for it, but its pretzel, with chocolate on it and melted into a small fort like shape,

my spelling fuck

and the other is i i cant think of it atm

HATE

black licorice

do not like taste whatsoever

burning passion spit it out

[shrewd grove]

My brother. What the hell are we talking about here?

[tribal wharf]

food, duh

started with bangers and mash talk

[mystic cave]

We call that a birds nest where im from

[proper roost]

yogi that isn't a macaroon 💀

[coarse bay]

Checks out

[jagged gust]

Black licorice was in fact developed by the devil

Iunno about sambuca

Probably the super devil

[round pendant]

Don't mind him that's just Yogi

Licorice slaps idk what you guys are talking about

[round pendant]

You didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway. It's Butter Chicken

God I haven't had it in years

[coarse bay]

Dont think ive ever had butter chicken

[mighty valley]

butter chicken is so good

i've been on a quest trying to make british indian restaurant style dishes at home

butter chicken surprisingly hard to get right

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/muc-mrmuc-mr-muc-buttered-sausage-buttered-gif-5848297688844516291

[toxic pewter]

I just get that chicken tika masala from Costco

[solid sun]

Butter chicken sounds like something Paula Dean would make

https://tenor.com/view/butter-paula-deen-eat-roll-eyes-gif-17816877

[mighty valley]

if you're unfamiliar with indian food your life is empty

sorry to bear bad news

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/kaden-bear-walk-gif-15031442544519350917

[solid sun]

I’ve never had Indian food

[undone beacon]

You’re missing out

[solid sun]

I’ve had chicken with butter though

At Mexican food restaurants

lol cup o’ melted butter

Cut the chicken and dip it and then experience heaven

[mighty valley]

Butter chicken has a lot of butter in it but you wouldn't necessarily know by looking at it

Looks like curry

Is curry

[solid sun]

It doesn’t look like chicken then?

[mighty valley]

Well it's got lumps of chicken in it

Chopped up, in a sauce

[solid sun]

Curry kinda like yogurt soup right

[mighty valley]

me, yelling at a person who's never had indian curry: "it looks like an indian curry"

[solid sun]

Stop yelling at me

Gosh

I’m just a rhino

Simple creature

[toxic pewter]

i got nITRO TRIAL 2 WEEK

muahahahahahah

omg can finally do the bear

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/livasmol-loading-cat-smol-gif-6810651202878211592

[toxic pewter]

[undone beacon]

Did you have to give it your credit card tho

[toxic pewter]

yes i set reminder 13 days from now to cancel

[undone beacon]

Discord will never ever have my card info

[toxic pewter]

haha fair enough

[solid sun]

Imagine having a credit card

[toxic pewter]

lol

i have like 6 credit cards somethinn like that

[solid sun]

All of my money is divided into 50 two dollar bills, rubber banded together and stored in coffee cans

Buried out back

[toxic pewter]

lmao smart

[solid sun]

Where the oxen graze and sleep

[toxic pewter]

I used to work at a bank and I had a regular customer who literally hid majority of her cash under her mattress and one day she was like robbed or somethin

lost it all

[solid sun]

Yeah can’t do the mattress

Gotta for real bury it like treasure

[toxic pewter]

yeah that where she fuk'd up

ya

[lofty warren]

Is there a list for the correct addons and profiles to import? Dont want to waist time tinkering

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean correct

[lofty warren]

The good one and not the bad one

[toxic pewter]

addons are DEAD

learn to PLAY THE ACTUAL GAME

[lofty warren]

They not dead they just more annoying to collect now

[solid sun]

How are you doing Pepega

[jagged pier]

The best feelcraft advice ive seen yet

[toxic pewter]

THank you sir salutes

[ionic fern]

Ironic considering most classes can now be played with the single button rotation.

[solid sun]

Really??

[toxic pewter]

lol, true, ok I ammend my previous comment. 'LEARN TO PRESS A SINGLE KEY'

[jagged pier]

It doesnt work for us

It does for most other tho

[toxic pewter]

people own in arenas even using 1 button

not always but ive seen it happen

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/druid/balance

Where did the new midnight talents go? Am I crazy or shouldn't they be in spec talent to the left?

[toxic pewter]

at the bottom of spec tree now

see that larger talent icon

[tribal wharf]

https://thebestketorecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Chocolate-Coconut-Macaroons-9.jpg

one of those

[mighty valley]

yeah that's actually what i first knew as macaroons

not to be confused with macarons

[toxic pewter]

same here my granma would make those

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/EAOAVVUVEBQSYRqRQBENVUVFRFRGRURFVBEFEVFRUBA

This calculator is straight from the wowhead pre patch site and im looking at the bottom. Is it really there?

[toxic pewter]

hmmm on that page you just linked I dont see the apex talents either but in that first link u sent it was there

[proper roost]

gamers i discovered the best youtube channel ever today

https://youtu.be/a2R4oL5vsnU

[mighty valley]

you can't get the apex talents on live

[lofty warren]

Ohh apex talents are not in prepatch?

[toxic pewter]

ah right that explains it

u guys gonna watch the blizzard wahts next in wow thing tomorrow

[lofty warren]

Unfortunately that this talent didn't make the cut

[jagged pier]

As i get dark portal decor yes

[toxic pewter]

oooooh i forgot about that

def need that

enduring alacrity is a solid and good talent its just our spec tree is arguably the tightest tree of any spec in the game

[lofty warren]

I havent touched the housing thing. Can I rent my house out or sell it bc I am not all that interested in doing house. Already have enough housing bs to do irl

[toxic pewter]

lol na cant rent it or anything like that though that would be fun

i want to be a landlord lol

[solid sun]

No you don’t

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-loid-suspicious-sus-what-is-that-gif-25490325

[toxic pewter]

[mild vessel]

Doesn't anyone use any kind of macro for Shield Block or Ignore Pain? I’d like to macro Shield Block, considering it should always be up and therefore I wouldn't be wasting Rage. During a raid, when I’m not the main tanking the boss, it makes sense not to cast it, but I think that’s the only situation. What do you think? Any advice?"

[tribal wharf]

very lame, i cant even finish the "doom" wad im on without resort to cheat at very end

engine im using is not so stable

crashes if it feels like it

have to use wall hacks

[undone beacon]

We never recommend macroing shield block into anything. Proper rage management is important for playing prot, and just sending shield block every time it’s up can actually lead to gaps in shield block uptime

There’s a macro that puts ignore pain and shield slam together, but that is used as a way to snipe SS resets from hitting ignore pain, not to remove ignore pain from your bar

[coarse bay]

Wow

Actual prot info

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s as useful as all of the internet...ie, nice and helpful people that are educated.

[solid sun]

Also I think you can keep using shield block for the damage amp

As long as you don’t greed yourself out of having it when you taunt the boss back

[coarse bay]

Ya you still want shieldblock for the ss damage

[solid sun]

We amped up

[coarse bay]

Amped like crazy

[oblique garnet]

Why would you not have sb up everytime youre in combat?

Overcapping it is bad yes

[undone beacon]

Poor rage managment and/or low haste, otherwise you want to maximize uptime even when not taking swings from the boss yeah

[oblique garnet]

But keeping it active is not

[undone beacon]

[mild vessel]

I've noticed that with Shield Block in a macro, it’s only down for a couple of seconds roughly every 40 seconds. My question is: considering the difficulty of high-level M+ where every detail matters, isn't it more impactful to accept those few seconds of downtime—maybe by using a stronger defensive if needed—to gain better dungeon awareness, rather than focusing too much on resource management and risking death due to mechanics or positioning?

[undone beacon]

What dungeon awareness are you gaining by letting your primary defensive fall off?

If anything those couple of seconds are what will get you killed, taking whiteswings from mobs in high M+ is a no-go

[coarse bay]

That wont be the case as soon as we lose our inflated haste

And accepting any downtime in m+ is not good, at a certain level

[undone beacon]

That too, rage generation is already slower than it was a few weeks ago thanks to pre-patch changes and beyond

[mild vessel]

I'm asking because I love Warrior, but I'm new to the class. However, managing two buffs along with rage is annoying me. I'm not sure if it's something I'll just get used to. As long as it's only about managing Ignore Pain, it's fine since it's situational. But having to manage Shield Block as well might be too difficult for me.

[oblique garnet]

Ip is w/e

Sb is not

[coarse bay]

You should strive to have an icon or bar that you can see in the periphery, and replenish as it gets low

[undone beacon]

Ignore pain is not something you ever should put cognitive effort into maintaining

You maintain shield block, and use ignore pain as a way to dump excess rage or prepare for a large amount of damage

Your goal is to maximize shield block, not ignore pain

[tribal wharf]

and then point it towards enemy

there are 2 parts ppl always miss that are important to sb

[undone beacon]

If you are playing prot semi-decently, your ignore pain will be pretty self sufficient

It takes some practice, but focus on SB and let IP come naturally

[coarse bay]

You can play pwar only tracking shieldblock

[undone beacon]

frfr ong no cap

[dark barn]

you can just press SB on CD the buff is pandemic

[coarse bay]

Then you can end up leaving a pack with 18 seconds of sb and wasting uptime between packs

Plus there’s also a limit, not sure if we’ll be able to hit it in midnight unless u shield charge and double sb

[undone beacon]

In this house every pull is a chain pull

one long continuous pull through the dungeon

dropping combat is akin to a failiure condition

[mild vessel]

Thank you very much for the answers. I’ll give it a try, hoping the monitoring is manageable. I’ve always been used to playing Monk tank at a high level which, ironically, feels much easier to me because, aside from Stagger, it doesn't have specific buffs that need to be kept up

If you guys, who are much more experienced with Warrior than I am, tell me that managing Shield Block uptime without a macro and using Ignore Pain as needed eventually becomes second nature, then I trust you. I hope you're right.

[undone beacon]

Have faith, its really not as daunting as it seems. Just takes a little practice

[coarse bay]

Indeed, there’s a reason why warriors have their reputation

Zug zug

Obviously for their intelligence and quick thinking

[mild vessel]

So, as a priority, in addition to keeping Shield Block up whenever possible while avoiding wasting it at the end of a pack: once the first priority is set, is it better to spend Rage to build a shield with Ignore Pain (during a normal pull), or should I use Revenge and only use Ignore Pain when needed?

[undone beacon]

Typically you hit ignore pain when your rage gets close to capping, like 60+ rage

IP is off the global CD whereas Revenge is not

[coarse bay]

It changes a little between mountain thane and colossus as well, but same principle of it mostly being a tool to spend rage to avoid overcapping

The main change is just that thane generates a lot more rage so youll hit it more

Youll spend so many gcds on builders that youll overcap if you dont spend

[mighty valley]

your goals are:

1. keep up shield block
2. always have something to press every GCD (rough prio order: CDs > SS > TC > Revenge)
3. never overcap rage

this is why we hit IP when we're over 60-70 rage or so, to make sure you have enough rage to hit Revenge in the GCDs when everything else is on CD and you get unlucky with shield slam resets

this also makes it sound like you don't press IP that much since you're not valuing its amount or duration or anything, but in reality, we generate a lot of rage that you don't have time to spend on revenge, so you press IP a lot

[undone beacon]

The amount of lua errors I get when i click or hover over anything, using all updated addons, is nightmarish

Even when i turn like everything off, its all blizzard_sharedxml errors

Fucking miserable state

[coarse bay]

Yup

I was getting chain lua errors from blizzard stuff too

Got bugsack and silenced fatality

[undone beacon]

Like, I love this game and I probably always will but this is such a miserable state to be in

They should've put off Midnight and done a fated season or something to ease into it

Its so frustrating because this game is comfortable for me and I want to default to playing it when im bored but like, i just cant

I'm just going to go try and 100% Picayune Dreams instead

[coarse bay]

Ya thats one of the reasons im waiting until midnight release to really do addon and ui stuff

[daring marlin]

how does this happen every single time

[coarse bay]

Fated season shouldve happened for sure

[undone beacon]

wdym

[daring marlin]

It's the same thing every single pre expansion bro

I see the exact same mentality

[coarse bay]

Nah this has to be the worst

[undone beacon]

Nah its especially rough this time around

[daring marlin]

It'll be worse next time

It's always worse during that time

[coarse bay]

Its not even a content thing like usual but actual game problems

[daring marlin]

If you don't agree, well...screencap when midnight is over and you're waiting for the next one

lmfao

[undone beacon]

Sorry im not allowed to criticize and be frustrated over a game I enjoy being in a bad spot?

[coarse bay]

I dont think the game has ever been in such a broken state

[undone beacon]

Like what point are you trying to prove. I'm displeased, you being a dick about it doesn't change my displeasure

[daring marlin]

You misunderstand. I'm laughing at you.

Sorry!

[undone beacon]

I mean, okay

Cool bud lol

[daring marlin]

tbh it seems to happen most to people that have WoW as their "main game"

and don't really play much else

I'm not sure it can be said it's worse now than the slog of end of expacs of the past tho

[coarse bay]

He’s saying it isnt slog but broken game

Different problem from usual

[daring marlin]

It's prepatch

prepatch gonna be busted

[coarse bay]

And its the worst its been

[undone beacon]

Go back and find me a prepatch thats been as broken as this one, with so many under the hood changes to APIs and systems that have been in place

[coarse bay]

Just because it has happened doesnt mean we shouldnt expect better

[undone beacon]

Saying its prepatch doesnt excuse a sloppy product

"It'll be better by launch" not if people gloss over issues because its prepatch

[coarse bay]

Id rather a delay than this

[daring marlin]

historically their QA hasn't really been amazing

[coarse bay]

We are the QA

[undone beacon]

And because they have shitty QA we should be happy with a shitty product?

[daring marlin]

did you guys play pre-expacs of the past? I mean lol

[undone beacon]

Demand better ffs

[coarse bay]

And this is the worst

??

[daring marlin]

Once again, you only think that because it's happening NOW

rose tinted glasses and whatnot

[coarse bay]

Ok

[undone beacon]

Brother

[coarse bay]

Base game has never thrown constant errors for an entire prepatch

[undone beacon]

I could launch my game in TWW prepatch without a flood of errors AFTER i've done a reinstall

[daring marlin]

flood of errors

haven't experienced one yet myself

skill issue I guess

[coarse bay]

If youre ok with this prepatch then ok

[daring marlin]

I don't care cuz it's not even the expac yet

[coarse bay]

But its the live game for 1-2 months

Unacceptable

[daring marlin]

you're allowed to do anything else if you're not having fun

[coarse bay]

And i am, but why should we be ok with it?

[undone beacon]

And I'm also allowed to be frustrated that the game is in a shit state, even if im not playing it at the moment

[coarse bay]

Because its prepatch?

[undone beacon]

Wait no sorry its prepatch im not allowed to judge the quality of the game yet

[coarse bay]

Like if this was like a few days sure

But this is what we’ll have until launch

[daring marlin]

this is literally

"first time?" meme

[cerulean tusk]

What makes me a bit sad is defending how poor this prepatch is. Just refused assets and systems. Nothing new or story that grabs you in

Compare it to what could have been, another The Burning of Teldrasil. A real event to remember

This will be another forgotten unknown in a few weeks

[coarse bay]

Not even

[daring marlin]

prepatch content ass, yes

[coarse bay]

You keep saying its fine because its happened, which it isnt

But it also doesnt change this being the worst one

[daring marlin]

I didn't say it's fine. It's expected. Why are either of you surprised?

???????????

[coarse bay]

Is disappointed the same word as surprised?

Or unacceptable?

[daring marlin]

bros didn't experience wrath prelaunch event and it shows

[coarse bay]

Brother

[daring marlin]

hella busted shit

[coarse bay]

So the prepatch 15+ years ago was bad, so its fine that this is bad