deserved last place
#protection
drowsy comet
neat dune
deserved last place
so we are waiting for kira to do 21 on warr? xD
drowsy comet
so we are waiting for kira to do 21 on warr? xD
no idea who that is, but sure why not ^^
neat dune
mdi winners tank
he did the vhd 21 xD
and prot 20
but afaik he plays all the tanks
coarse bay
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
toxic pewter
undone beacon
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
strong forum
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
jagged pier
neat dune
collosus ST so bad i have to scroll down to see demolish 😭
strong forum
thats a bit much revenge
this should be the breakdown
(ignore trinket i forgot trinket use cuz MY WEAKAURAS ARE GONE HAH)
small steeple
where death strike
cerulean tusk
Deathstrike bad AoE
cerulean tusk
where nails?
strong forum
ive not logged in since wednesday
small steeple
Deathstrike bad AoE
bloody reflection bad aoe too, blood boil missing , Death strike with rune of sanguination good aoe as well (assuming you actually take the aoe death strike damage)
cerulean tusk
jagged pier
i mean its not like he played TWW much at all
drowsy comet
having to rely on WAs always seemed to be a problem ngl
toxic pewter
Wat every1 doin
toxic pewter
Looks cool
jagged pier
warm plinth
Haven't been up this late in years
tribal wharf
toxic pewter
I envy you wish I could sleep 8 hours straight like that
tribal wharf
game is really incredible if you want medival doom
tons of weapons and power ups and monster variety
warm plinth
I envy you wish I could sleep 8 hours straight like that
Ironically I normally don't even sleep 8 hours. Usually 6 or 7. Today I was like ok we sleeping 6 then another 8 1/2
tribal wharf
whomever did the maps i played recently in that game
it really reminds me of warcraft 1 and 2
warm plinth
whomever did the maps i played recently in that game
It looks like someone built Doom in Minecraft and enabled flying XD Pretty cool
tribal wharf
medival doom
thats all you need to remember
the wings of wrath are normally a pretty rare and hidden and sought after power up
that map just happens to feature a ton of them
warm plinth
Ah okay
tribal wharf
the book is effectively a blood lust
Tomes of Power, sealing great and powerful magic within them
solid sun
I played some Pokémon go today
It was neat going outside while everyone continued ice world prep
drowsy comet
bro's casually catching pokemon, while others slip and fall due to the icy areas 😄
solid sun
I even helped an elderly couple lift some stuff out of their truck
It’s crazy what happens when you just go outside
warm plinth
Yeah, you get socially obligated to perform manual labor from the sounds of it
cerulean tusk
Helping others is always a feels good
drowsy comet
Paladin discord weird af, joined for 5mins posted not much at all and got banned 
lusty grotto
weirdge
drowsy comet
another reason to dislike the class 
lusty grotto
shrug
cerulean tusk
They could smell your warrior blood, it scared them
Tinfoil tanks bruise easily after all
toxic pewter
Paladin discord weird af, joined for 5mins posted not much at all and got banned...
Wat u post lol
cerulean tusk
Prob just a gif of a tinfoil can getting crumped
toxic pewter
🤣
drowsy comet
Wat u post lol
nothing bad even, only a few thingd in their idk channel where they spell the alphabet, messing abit, and then minutes later im gone
drowsy comet
nothing bad even, only a few thingd in their idk channel where they spell the al...
i mean idk, u can check and join the dark side to see yourself
drowsy comet
i lowkey have no idea, but Idk its not a big deal
lusty grotto
might be a wrong ban
but if thats the case Mwahi's cat can help out, if he has any power left there
drowsy comet
but if thats the case Mwahi's cat can help out, if he has any power left there
i mean idk maybe they actually smell my warrior scent
lusty grotto
they would have banned me a long time ago if that was the case
drowsy comet
also I couldnt think of anything that broke a rule
lusty grotto
nah i checked what you posted
its likely someone they wanted to ban had your nickname partially and they fat fingered it
drowsy comet
oh, yea I had something like that once in a whole differenr server. Guess Zwei is rather common 
lusty grotto
yeah except server nicknames dont really matter as much as your discord id
drowsy comet
That could be the case, i have no experience in moderating a server tho, so maybe someone actually fatfingered. Mistakes happen
coarse bay
Its pretty common to ban anyone with zwei in their name i hear
wooden radish
<@222898004598849536> do you still have power in HoW? are these claims true?
what? im not scrolling through the chat here. TLDR pls
wooden radish
who
drowsy comet
what? im not scrolling through the chat here. TLDR pls
I got banned in the Paladin server for idk what reason
wooden radish
let me look
coarse bay
Lmao
lusty grotto
its what im thinking
coarse bay
Bot spam maybe
drowsy comet
maybe a bot caught the attention of 2minute span, messages but other than that idk
you see I was just having abit of a time, then whoop
wooden radish
mistaken ban?
wont show deleted msgs
lusty grotto
oh
wooden radish
zweihvnder was banned for alpharet
lusty grotto
right you need to check the audit thing
drowsy comet
zweihvnder was banned for alpharet
Hm but what for exactly
drowsy comet
zweihvnder was banned for alpharet
Hm but what for exactly
drowsy comet
lusty grotto
its just people typing 3 letters
drowsy comet
its just people typing 3 letters
Yea the alphabet thing
wooden radish
lusty grotto
lmao what the fuck
wooden radish
Hm but what for exactly
are you formally requesting to be unbanned
lusty grotto
i cant stop laughing
surreal ember
Is 3 letter spam a thing or something? I've never heard of that.
lusty grotto
apparently they are just having fun
wooden radish
the goal is to go in letter order from AAA to ZZZ
and if you break it, go out of order, do other shit, you risk a ban
lusty grotto
drowsy comet
surreal ember
Oh...the channel has a goal. Got it.
coarse bay
Is a bot tracking the amount of completions? Im curious how many times its been done
wooden radish
its ret stuff so im not really involved but i can remove the ban. i just need a formal appeal
surreal ember
File the tps reports zwei
surreal ember
This was an interesting segment of prot discord.
drowsy comet
its ret stuff so im not really involved but i can remove the ban. i just need a ...
Yea sure, and thanks for taking your time with that. I wasnt sure what caused it, but now I know 😄
lusty grotto
im not fucking sure why i keep chuckling its so silly
wooden radish
Lincoln what’s cooking in the mass effect discord?
ME5 is in dev 🤷♂️
wooden radish
mass effect andromeda technically
drowsy comet
mass effect good game
wooden radish
Yea sure, and thanks for taking your time with that. I wasnt sure what caused it...
consider it removed. dont do it again. next time i probably wont be able to help.
drowsy comet
consider it removed. dont do it again. next time i probably wont be able to help...
Alright, thanks!
lusty grotto
lol y ea
warm plinth
@lusty grotto @undone beacon @coarse bay @proper roost when are the avengers assembleable today
coarse bay
Whenever
drowsy comet
Thank you zwei for teaching us about what happens when you mess around in alphar...
the true holy grail
undone beacon
I'll be ready prob around 8pm est
doing dinner with my parents before snowpocalypse
coarse bay
That works for me
ionic fern
consider it removed. dont do it again. next time i probably wont be able to help...
Hope you're doing well.
lusty grotto
oh yeah
drowsy comet
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
btw its really just that, and now I understand how this works
coarse bay
Ya ive known about the channel for a long time but ive never participated
Didnt realize it was an insta ban if u mess it up lol
undone beacon
I’m just setting up the Luxthos suite of addons/profiles because I like his stuff and I’m a simple man
Mans makes a clean ui
coarse bay
I’m just setting up the Luxthos suite of addons/profiles because I like his stuf...
Came here for ui info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
I need to look at the luxthos set, ive been waiting to see one that i like
I didnt like his weakaura sets
jagged pier
btw its really just that, and now I understand how this works
Imagine getting alpharet wrong 
wooden radish
<a:peepowave:890748639666925669> Hope you're doing well.
undone beacon
I didn’t use his WA set but honestly I didn’t use any, I just wrote my own and bastardized other people’s into functionality I liked
coarse bay
I didn’t use his WA set but honestly I didn’t use any, I just wrote my own and b...
Ya thats pretty much what i did, if i saw something i liked in a set id take it
You could call me camzii
drowsy comet
Imagine getting alpharet wrong <:kekW:620386906634584095>
to my defense, i didnt know how it worked, than I seemed to have messed up and that lead to the ban 
undone beacon
You could call me camzii
Tbh on surv all I used was a “missing pet” and tip of the spear tracker so
Is there a way to make the buff tracker bigger lol
coarse bay
With arcui
Im sure other addons too
For base check it in edit mode but i wouldnt be surprised if not
karmic tartan
is colossus viable for prot in m+ now or is it still equal in dmg but behind in defense?
prepatch that is
lusty grotto
there's no tier
no tier buffing thane
so damage is similar
play what you think is fun, prepatch metrics dont really matter
cerulean tusk
I will give rat in a hat another W take
frosty holly
Do we have a good way of tracking now after patch? And future items like it
frosty holly
Fair enough. Cheers Nimchip
fiery spindle
extremely insanely dumb question, does revenge/devestator not apply deep wounds anymore?
warm plinth
extremely insanely dumb question, does revenge/devestator not apply deep wounds ...
Nope, sure doesn't. Just Demolish and Execute (when talented)
warm plinth
undone beacon
With arcui
Time to hunt down another single purpose addon to do what WAs used to do for me smh
lusty grotto
when go
warm plinth
I think pash said 8pm est, so like 30 mins
still glade
Hi, do you guys know how to make the IP font bigger?
Im using cool down manager centered if that helps
warm plinth
Not possible without also making the icon bigger, which also makes the bar bigger. Addons may be able to modify it. That being said, tracking IP really isn't necessary.
Certainly not to the specificity of tracking the stacks
still glade
So sorry for the noob question but in that case how do you track IP? or you just use it every X gcds?
warm plinth
You use IP when you go over 70 rage. Do that and it will take care of itself.
lusty grotto
☝️
still glade
So i dont want to track any of this 3?
warm plinth
If you want a bit of extra protection on a big hit, you can always double tap it right before
still glade
At least not like that?
still glade
Tysm!
chrome falcon
The bottom line is that you should never really make decisions based on whether IP is up or not
still glade
tysm team
warm plinth
Of course
undone beacon
Alright HMTV crew we rockin and rollin?
warm plinth
HE HATES US
hardy snow
were we able to tmog weapon as dagger previously?
warm plinth
we reminded you to not stand in the whirling annihilation though, don't worry
undone beacon
Guy's we're boned
round pendant
did you win?
toxic pewter
single handedly did this endeavor for my pve focused guild lmao
warm plinth
we did it @round pendant
round pendant
I'm so proud 🥹
warm plinth
thanks
warm plinth
Yeah, but it says that for like KSM and shit too and you can still get those
round pendant
neat
toxic pewter
GRATS
Is brawlers guild difficult to do it all ive never actually done it before
anyone know how long it take to do also
toxic pewter
ok thanks for info
warm plinth
Is brawlers guild difficult to do it all ive never actually done it before
This season is VERY disappointing. Incredibly easy.
toxic pewter
Interesting
jagged pier
single handedly did this endeavor for my pve focused guild lmao
The tasks are personal
pallid quiver
were we able to tmog weapon as dagger previously?
Late, but no, we were not able to tmog daggers before.
For the record, you can also tmog Fury 2Hs as daggers, as well, so you can live a real life dual wield setup of sword and dagger now.
now if only wow had any daggers that weren't ass
drowsy comet
bruh this has to be a meme how is Prot Warr considered as bad as Guardian Druid O_o
cerulean tusk
How is bdk that low 
untold tangle
Is brawlers guild difficult to do it all ive never actually done it before
It's not difficult at all. Did it as prot 2 days ago and they just fall over. I think I died once because i misunderstood a mechanic
It's pretty fun tho, albeit too easy. Most bosses die before they can really do anything.
coarse bay
bruh this has to be a meme how is Prot Warr considered as bad as Guardian Druid ...
Tier lists are bad
untold tangle
As a prot main, would it make more sense to have an arms or fury offspec?
My thinking was fury so I can use my prot one hand
Doesn't have to be best in slot. I only raid heroic, just the most practical
cerulean tusk
Really doesnt matter, chose whatever you vibe the most with
Fury requires two twohanded weapons, while Arms requires one. Kinda the most deciding factor if any
untold tangle
Ah you can't use 1hs anymore
cerulean tusk
Never really should have done so. Yeah, 1handers are mogs now
untold tangle
Gotcha. Could matching secondary stats be a deciding factor?
cerulean tusk
Nah, all love haste, and rest is more or less a wash
untold tangle
Cool. Thanks man!
ionic fern
I enjoyed fury more since it's similar fast paced APm.
hardy snow
bruh this has to be a meme how is Prot Warr considered as bad as Guardian Druid ...
here, I've fixed it for you
cerulean tusk
BDK clearly is A tier, what u smoking
hardy snow
I dont like it, so I put it in D 🤷♂️
cerulean tusk
jagged pier
Wheres p for pwar 
cerulean tusk
Wheres p for pwar <:madge:763294777403768832>
solid sun
I like that one tier list has some numerical score attributed to the specs
Like the numbers validate the list
They did science on that one
hardy snow
what if these are just random numbers? 🤔
solid sun
what if these are just random numbers? 🤔
They’re certainly random or arbitrary. That’s why it’s funny
round pendant
Late, but no, we were not able to tmog daggers before.
For the record, you can...
only like vanilla daggers look any good
round pendant
idk what that is tbf
jagged pier
blackrock foundry
round pendant
I like the dagger that drops from Garr
jagged pier
im using hakkari dagger atm
round pendant
and the tantos for weeb energy
round pendant
yeah I get why
it's so it's more visible on your character
but I'm more a fan of the classic style weapons since they look more like actual weapons to me
jagged pier
u know what htey say about smol hands
vital vale
it hasn't even been a week and u already miss apell reflect WA bragging for me about how much damage I reflect in /say
toxic pewter
people with smol hands wear smol gloves
jagged pier
coarse bay
it hasn't even been a week and u already miss apell reflect WA bragging for me a...
Just make up a number and put it in a macro
vital vale
Just make up a number and put it in a macro
lol I guess
coarse bay
I also have a feeling we wont be getting much reflect use next expansion outside of just dr
Unless theres a boss that just chain casts
Less casters on top of casters usually not targeting tanks outside of first pulling, which you normally want to kick to gather up
hardy snow
I wish we have some SR in raid, even something small, like on silken court 
tribal wharf
at what point, no pun intended i swear
is a dagger a sword
cuz you guys are talking about large daggers
cerulean tusk
size
tldr:
Dagger is stabby stabby, 1hand stabby
Sword, is stabby slashy, 1hand but more grippy
tribal wharf
look like energy sword halo 2
toxic pewter
YOGI COMIN BACK 2 WOW?
jagged pier
aint no way
tribal wharf
i know alot of those boxes texts
that ones a new one or gives me hesitation cuz of green text link
usually bad when those happen
im like ah shit im banned
drowsy comet
man its such a hussle to find a group thats doing Sanctum of Domination on Mythic, I only want this set done ;(
tribal wharf
many such reasons for that
stat squish, player squish, food allegedly healing for 0
you will have better luck at closer to launch when ppl arrive
they are very sought after item appearances sanctum, so you will have no problem fill group then
toxic pewter
im like ah shit im banned
ngl I have the same reaction lol.. anytime that little window pops up can be nothing good haha
mythic sanctum set is same appearance as certain items professions can make iirc
i forget how it sort of works
tribal wharf
i think thats mostly smithing from what i know, i am smith at least
and its white peices that turn into legendaries
quality white,
undone beacon
I had no issues solo’ing myth sanctum during collectors bounty, did scaling changes make SoD harder?
tribal wharf
and that would have been a late SL patch it was changed like that you can collect transmog that way
9.2 ish
9.3 was great
the quest zone they had there, not entirel so much the df one, that was cool too though
drowsy comet
I had no issues solo’ing myth sanctum during collectors bounty, did scaling chan...
im looking for an group that runs it tho xD, literally missing plate greaves
tribal wharf
No! Not the boots!!
undone beacon
I mean fair enough. Make a group youself and people will eventually join
tribal wharf
boots is extreme important to me
drowsy comet
I mean fair enough. Make a group youself and people will eventually join
tried it tho no one seems to have unlocked The Maw xD
tribal wharf
transmog and real life
undone beacon
The last WQ i need for Champion's Tour TWW is up, so I can get my pet, my mount, and my title in one go
frick yeah
warm plinth
Good morning friendos
jagged pier
tribal wharf
jagged pier
Only slept til 10:30 today
tribal wharf
this is a picture intended for an intro screen for a game from 1994
and look how great it looks
warm plinth
Yeah it reminds me of the cutscenes from KQ6
solid sun
Ooooooo
toxic pewter
not bad trailer
tribal wharf
how about he man
warm plinth
@solid sun any interest in doing a 12 halls? Idk what you play right now
tribal wharf
speaking of heman i loved that halls of valor dungeon
i would spend all day running it with 10 hoursd dagoth wave
solid sun
<@121955167863046144> any interest in doing a 12 halls? Idk what you play right...
I wish! Thanks for the invite homie.
warm plinth
undone beacon
I'll 12 your halls
Bam fuck TWW wpvp
I love getting jumped by three Devourer DHs in a group
toxic pewter
dude i wpvp a lot i prob fought u
jagged pier
nothing will beat legion world pvp
cant die as tank
one shotting ferals cause u would SR the whole of ashermanes fury
toxic pewter
orchid mural
anyone know of a good battle shout reminder addon?
jagged pier
it should glow if u dont have it or someone in your group doesnt at least
fleet flicker
I'll 12 your halls
Promise? 🥺
coarse bay
Boom
tribal wharf
i feel like, there is usually like what, 4 seasons of wow expansion
and if you get 2k in all 4 seasons maybe 3k, you get a mount that the team spent alot of time making
like a gladiator type mount
and then that way it can be 2k for normal avg ground mount, 3k for meh flying mount
per season
coarse bay
Thats the thing, they would have to spend a lot of time making it
tribal wharf
you have one for raiding technically with raiding and mythic and its achievements (both from doing M and achievos)
and then you also have one for doing pvp same thing right
like a special mount
those are the 3 pillars of wow end game sweaty content right
M raids, 3k keys io and i think about same 3k for pvp (i dont pvp like ever, only numbers i know is 14/16/17/1800 and 2100
the DF arena mount i know for sure ppl were after, also i mean like, on alot of glad gear, they have the colors you want, with the special uh, snow or lightning / fire effect on helmet or shoulders say
and i think if you are working that hard on at least raiding and keys, you should be able to buy some of it
coarse bay
A lot of mounts for achievements are reskins, which is fine if done right but i dont think they make enough unique mounts for big seasonal achievements
tribal wharf
i think, if they have something that you do all 3 pillars of content to mythic raid completed 3k io keys, and glad+ for pvp and you do it for all 4 seasons
and you get something really worth it for something like that
coarse bay
Isnt glad like actually much much harder than the other 2
tribal wharf
can be?
coarse bay
And 3k io is a joke
I like the idea kind of but id rather they kept pvp and pve separate
tribal wharf
but its pvp (any type) of yugioh or some other competitive AF card game,
oh, it should be easy
and then you sit down and shuffle cards and draw and okay its (x players turn) start game
and then 14 seconds later your sweating
you just play the copy pasta deck, and pray to god it goes off, like what i assume pvp is
1 deck counters this deck, and another deck (class) counters this, but another deck is stronger, and you just poker face through it ? hard to explain, unless you are duelist
hopefully the new raid in X.0 launch midnight is the blood elf raid
in a huge castle with red everything
jagged pier
yogi they have already announced the new raids
tribal wharf
like evil still version castle nathria but light themes instead of dark
oh,
ya, that looks perfect
undone beacon
lmao
There’s three raid
For S1
A one boss (dreamrift), a 6 boss (Voidspire), and then March
tribal wharf
oh ya,
soemthing like onxiya would be nice too
1 boss
you go in, it does mostly predictable things, its very strong, you kill it, it gives some loots
VOA style also acceptable
toxic pewter
kinda cool to see multiple raids in a season
solid sun
cerulean tusk
I love that they free themselves from always making mega raids.
This way, we can get another giga banger thematically like Castle Nathria, raids like Trial of Valor and when it fits a single boss raid like Onyxia
Makes raiding a lot more exciting
tribal wharf
oh god, is it going to be the new version of the hell troll dungeon with you win the bear at the end for going fast
that place utterly destroyed so many of my groups. every single boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhpHuKSKb7M this guy is the original pug destroyer
something about i think the tank sucked or the healer did and the tank would die to one of the forms
open spruce
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MA7q6XLNvKJmgxWt?fight=12&type=summary&source=1 I managed to solo plexus normal, i think we're getting nerfed :P
and they should probably fix legacy gems
maiden forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MA7q6XLNvKJmgxWt?fight=12&type=summary&sour...
prot paladin was soloing mythic plexus sentinel before the prepatch
also raid is a joke rn anyways
well, everything is rn
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MA7q6XLNvKJmgxWt?fight=12&type=summary&sour...
Paladins could solo it on mythic before pre patch and they didnt fet nerfed
I thunk we will be fine
maiden forge
we will be, its just scaling being wonky
i wouldnt be surprised if you could no tank some fights with some dps specs rn in raid
open spruce
prot paladin was soloing mythic plexus sentinel before the prepatch
Ye, but the difference between ourselves and paladin here is that paladin could immune the tank debuff and drop stacks iirc. We're forced into the damage
open spruce
also raid is a joke rn anyways
Do agree though, its what led me to try in the first place :p
maiden forge
no, the difference was the fight glitched lol
open spruce
Ah, well, it was done without a glitch anyway x)
maiden forge
if you could live through its channel during the intermission, it just stopped doing any mechanics
it was really funny
open spruce
yee i did try that during my attempts, but it kept doing mechanics, inc tank bombs, with the dodging lasers and bubbles up
lusty grotto
its not relevant content, theres no reason to fear nerfs
maiden forge
ye
open spruce
Was a good bit of fun anyways :d
maiden forge
yeah, definitely a fun time to do wacky things
lusty grotto
upbeat plover
mild vessel
I see Kyra is using an ignore pain macro, you guys know it?
I'm also using a Shield Slam + Shield Block macro to remove a spell for my hurting wrist. Do you recommend anything particular?
coarse bay
I'm also using a Shield Slam + Shield Block macro to remove a spell for my hurti...
Both are bad, idek which is worse tbh
Im sure that whatever kira uses probably isnt what you think it is because macroing ip into your rotation would destroy rage economy
There’s macroing shield slam into your ip
warm plinth
IP would be way worse, but both are bad
pallid reef
hi friends, haven't played since getting KSH in season 1. I just did a +2 at at full 4/8 champ or higher gear ilvl, and feel like I took more damage in that +2 than I did in +10s in S1. Did warrior get some nerfs or is it just a skill issue?
solid sun
Nimchip is so funny
lusty grotto
if anything we're stronger now due to the squish
we were stronger in s2, we were even stronger in s3, and we're stronger now
pallid reef
interesting. maybe a healer issue actually, I did more than half the healers healing from ignore pain so
mighty valley
yeah s1 was the hardest season of the expansion for m+
pallid reef
maybe my sample size is not great
lusty grotto
not a healer issue
solid sun
Yeah season 1 was tough
pallid reef
Not healing obviously, but the absorb
lusty grotto
thats the one big factor
mighty valley
it’s possible you had a healer who was working overtime in s1 to compensate but you shouldn’t be reliant on them
pallid reef
yeah, sb up the whole time, rotated shield wall, demo shout, etc. Did the same stuff I did in S1 to KSH
mighty valley
if you’ve got a log we could take a look
pallid reef
I'll log the next one. I could also be over exaggerating and just happened to notice when my health did dip a bit here and there. Will run it back and send a log
solid sun
Are you out of practice on keeping stuff in front of you? Maybe you’re taking some back shots
pallid reef
yeah fair, it was the first season I ever tanked and it felt like a breeze. been a healer main since vanilla so its kinda my only reference atm
Could be @solid sun , very well could be
I had a sweet ignore pain weak aura that made that that mindless, I did notice it felt off trying to track a number instead of a bar. Any idea if there is a similar weak aura that shows your ignore pain total in bar format?
lusty grotto
IP isnt that important
SB is important, IP isnt
its just a rage dump
if youre overprioritizing IP, that could be one of your mistakes
pallid reef
yeah that could be. I didn't notice a time SB dropped but that could be the case
lusty grotto
you were a healer main so its only natural to think healing done is a useful metric, its not for us
HPS means absolutely nothing to us
pallid reef
yeah fair. Thanks! Will log this next one and return back after!
pallid reef
yeah!
pallid reef
@lusty grotto @solid sun downloading warcraftlogs now to upload then I’ll share. I do however notice after the dungeon that my victory rush keybind had some old silly macro from when I was leveling. No idea how it got there but was preventing me from actually victory rushing. Once they are uploaded, I’d love a good roast so I can learn and improve
lusty grotto
i think just by that statement that youre focusing too much on healing
meaning that youre trying to compensate for something
either way im heading to bed, i guess ill take a look tomorrow
just tag me
timid wigeon
hi, how do we track party's cds and interrupts now ?
lusty grotto
you cant
or the better answer is: you ask them in voice
thats basically why omnicd isn't gonna update, because its not possible
slow hatch
Do we think 8% battle Shout is worth more than monk's 5% mystic touch?
It's prob going to come down to either brew or prot for me with my raids comp, trying to figure out if the raid buff factors into either overwhelmingly
lusty grotto
the battle shout only applies to you
not the group
with commander, if thats what you meant
lusty grotto
yup
coarse bay
Or else your phys classes will weep
pallid reef
@lusty grotto @solid sun https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vPN28ATmYKaj3GhJ?boss=-3&difficulty=0
93% uptime on SB, but my shield wall usage is definitely low
coarse bay
Since blizz tunes around full raid buffs
slow hatch
Yea just not sure we'll have that option
lusty grotto
kinda early to be planning on raid comp
slow hatch
Yes but I also know my group
lusty grotto
then im sure youll come to the right decision
but not sure how we can help
we're warrior centric here after all
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> <@121955167863046144> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...
nope
slow hatch
Gee ok fuck me then, nevermind. Seems like some ppl were able to help just fine.
slow hatch
You could have just ignored it, thanks for taking time out to be rude
pallid reef
What is that under, damage taken? Was looking at buffs so maybe I’m interpreting them wrong
lusty grotto
you check if you blocked
pallid reef
Gotcha
lusty grotto
both are good things to look at but effective blocking is way more important
because your buff uptime is higher, that means BACK HITS
pallid reef
Yeah makes sense
lusty grotto
You could have just ignored it, thanks for taking time out to be rude
no problem, im sorry you took it the wrong way
pallid reef
anyway whats the issue in this log? you werent in danger
Wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything. I did notice the second run was way less damage taken than the first one that led to my initial message, so maybe it was just getting back into the swing of things
Thanks for taking a look!
lusty grotto
likely
im looking at it and will let you know if i spot anything that could be worked on
pallid reef
Very much appreciated! No need to do it tonight if you were logging off though
pallid reef
lol
lusty grotto
one thing i can mention is that you should turn on advanced logging on
and i can mention a few things DPS wise
but
it kinda seems like you did fine on the blocking side, theres a bit of improvement by making sure your facing mobs (including Sharpshooters) but its not massive
so if youre interested in the DPS side of things i can go over it by tomorrow @pallid reef
warm plinth
You can't even upload logs if you don't have advanced logging on anymore. Most likely it's just they turned on logging manually or autologging bugged and turned on late.
pallid reef
@lusty grotto yeah that would be awesome!
@warm plinth yeah I noticed autolog didn't start so I started it manually in the middle of the first pull
solid sun
Ghashbrowns, how did your 12 go
round pendant
no problem, im sorry you took it the wrong way
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
vast epoch
dark ivy
Yo, have anyone done some raid testing on warriors for midnight? Curious how they perform compared to other tank specs in raid specifically
drowsy comet
Still funny how mad people are when it comes to WA´s and that people who relied on them are the loudest rn
mossy cedar
hey guys, just a quick question. Is there some addon or settion that would track my ignore pain in bar? similar to rage bar. I was using WeakAuras for that but now its gone and i couldnt find anything similar to it.
round pendant
Still funny how mad people are when it comes to WA´s and that people who relied ...
bad take
round pendant
hey guys, just a quick question. Is there some addon or settion that would track...
Can't the blizz CDM do that by just dragging IP to the bar section?
You don't need to track IP though fwiw
mossy cedar
CDM is tracking the timer and in small icon the % of used ignore pain. i was using it in the bar to see the % of my ignor pain better. Nothing special, just quality of life improvments .
round pendant
your % of ignore pain should never influence any of your decisions so
but yeah idk if another addon can solve the problem
drowsy comet
only there for that tag but tbh there isnt much going on in the server, i usually ask my questions in the wow server or look on reddit whatever Im looking for
grizzled nova
not really
The people who cared enough to customize class information display to play better are gonna be the people who find another way to customize class information to play better, because they're the people who care about playing better.
If you think it was WA making them better and now the odds are even, you're just a whole ass mental behind.
You'll still be parsing worse than them.
round pendant
the people who are most affected by a change are the most vocal about the change
holy
drowsy comet
i mean, M+ pushing looks good on Beta, and there isnt a single WA that makes the game somewhat easier though. Mythic Raids will be interesting for sure
grizzled nova
Mythic raid will be exactly the same.
grizzled nova
The quite literal only thing that WA did was assignments for mechanics that could only be completed in the alloted time frame by having auto assignments.
Blizzard made the choice to make those mechanics.
"oh but they did it because WA exists"
round pendant
The quite literal only thing that WA did was assignments for mechanics that coul...
Yarp, and the only other WAs people used were to make information actually visible on their screen in a non-dogshit way
grizzled nova
Blizzard didn't have to, they chose to.
lusty grotto
there is a dicussion i had with someone last night about learning classes, which was done with hekili and that aint working, i told them that the 1BR isnt really good for it, but they mentioned he will figure it out regardless
which was interesting
round pendant
for some reason people seem to think WAs literally played all aspects of the game for you
drowsy comet
but on the other side, Blizzard was pretty comfortable, like look at Mythic Dimensius before the nerf. Obviously they didnt care that much about balancing, so ofc WA´s were needed there
drowsy comet
I even watched alot of actual Rank 1 players give their opinion on the Addon nuke, many said its actually a good thing, cuz how would have this WA thing ended if Blizzard never took action. Having an Addon Bot paly the game for you?
round pendant
lusty grotto
thats kind of disingenious and a generalization, even if i dont really mind it
grizzled nova
I even watched alot of actual Rank 1 players give their opinion on the Addon nuk...
How do you morons get propagandized into believing WA plays the game for you.
lusty grotto
just to be clear, it does track with fights like Fractillus
but not with everything else
grizzled nova
You're effectively screaming that you've 1) never actually used WA 2) never actually played the game at a level beyond LFR
drowsy comet
How do you morons get propagandized into believing WA plays the game for you.
warnings on screen telling you where to go, tho? Also theres literally no need to throw slurs at me
grizzled nova
warnings on screen telling you where to go, tho? Also theres literally no need t...
"slur" lmao
drowsy comet
bro fucked up his reply
grizzled nova
just to be clear, it does track with fights like Fractillus
But these are examples of Blizzard designing mechanics for WA.
Which, again, is a choice Blizzard is making.
round pendant
just to be clear, it does track with fights like Fractillus
Yeah which everyone agrees is poor fight design because it's trivialised by being able to be solved by a code snippet. It's literally the one thing everyone wanted gone, but not at the cost of all the other QoL and benefits that WA give us
lusty grotto
thats the problem
and then Liquid and Sky made it an incredibly boring fight by solving it for oyu
so thats the only one that falls into what hes saying about playing the game for you
but again
drowsy comet
You're effectively screaming that you've 1) never actually used WA 2) never actu...
It is true that I never used an WA. Yes.
And who are YOU exactly to determine what things I play tho? Im sure you´re one of those, who buy Mythic Dimmy boost to "flex" with that mount in Dorno 🤷🏻♂️
lusty grotto
thats just a small part, on modern raid design
round pendant
You're effectively screaming that you've 1) never actually used WA 2) never actu...
Yeah I mean, they've not done any of the content where you notice the shortcomings of blizzard's awful default UI
It's wild how casuals are the most toxic people in the community
grizzled nova
fractillus wasn't designed for WA
It's a question of time, blizzard allots insufficient time to communicate and achieve mechanics because they know that WA can handle the assingment and communication part of some mechanics.
round pendant
They're not even the ones affected by addons and yet they want them nuked lmao
lusty grotto
i understand what youre saying Thukker, it just doesnt apply to fractillus
it might to previous encounter designs for sure
round pendant
It's more that they didn't consider that the mechanic is trivialised by WA
but it's solved with just disabling inter-addon communication and private auras
lusty grotto
the goal of this last raid was precisesely to make fights that don't require WAs, it was very evident... as all raids in TWW were designed so you could solve them with base UI
so any fight that was solved by WAs is VERY obvious
not including assignments
which is the one thing that WAs do incredibly well
again its just a weird statement to have considering
grizzled nova
Private auras achieved the goal just fine, but rather than leaving it at that and preventing addons from parsing the chat log so that self report assignment couldn't work, blizzard just nuked the entire mod API.
lusty grotto
WAs did solve shit, but it wasnt that much this time around
and especially not in keys
so "playing the game for you" is disingenous
round pendant
oh yeah mechanical WAs are basically useless in keys
like best case you got some timers for some mob mechanics
but none of my friends used those
round pendant
Private auras achieved the goal just fine, but rather than leaving it at that an...
You're the only person other than me I've seen say this
I spoke to a bunch of people in the WA discord about it, and their argument was just that blizzard also intended to target things like Hekili too
Which I think is a complete waste of effort
grizzled nova
They straight up put Hekili in the game, why bother caring that it was a WA too lol
lusty grotto
its a really fucking bad hekili
round pendant
The thing that baffles me is
The people who are the most against addons (because they seem to think they NEED them) are the ones who don't even do content that benefits that much from them anyway
grizzled nova
its a really fucking bad hekili
I never actually used Hekili, but it was basically the rotation guidance thing right, that highlighted the next button to press?
round pendant
like you don't need any addons for heroic raid and even early mythic bosses
lusty grotto
it gave you a queue
but it was updated due to APLs
so you could fast track learning the class with it
and then disable it
round pendant
I will say healers basically need addons tho
lusty grotto
obviously there were people that just played with it forever, but that wasn't really recommended
grizzled nova
so you could fast track learning the class with it
Most people could fast track learning their classes by practicing on a dummy, but so few people actually put in the time.
lusty grotto
yeah
round pendant
yeah idk, I used hekili a couple of times and it was only really good for outlaw
I performed better within 5 minutes of dummying on every other spec than trying to follow that thing
grizzled nova
Open wowhead guide -> look at ability priority -> practice on a dummy until it makes sense and you know what to expect with timings.
lusty grotto
some people learn by doing
grizzled nova
That's the practice part lol
lusty grotto
and hekili helped do that
round pendant
I don't think hekili teaches you much other than to rely on hekili tbh
Always better to just go to step 1 and learn the spec properly
it can help you get muscle memory for some common sequences ig
grizzled nova
Yeah that's the problem, you never intuitively put understanding in your brain if hekili is preventing you from having to make the connections.
lusty grotto
look
unreal yarrow
Different people learn differently.
lusty grotto
i did learn classes with it
i dont understand where you guys are going with it
so did A LOT of guildies, and a lot of friends i had
grizzled nova
Different people learn differently.
Sure, but nothing beats practice.
lusty grotto
regardless of how you learned a class, it was a tool that now does not have a replacement
drowsy comet
i learned classes by looking at a guide, not by downloading an addon helping me what to press
lusty grotto
so youre effectively forced to check the priority on the wowhead/icyveins page route
grizzled nova
Lots of different ways to end up a piano virtuoso, but all of them include shitloads of practice.
unreal yarrow
Is the in game thing bad? I haven't used it
lusty grotto
yes
round pendant
I guess one advantage of hekili is that you can do content while you're learning it
drowsy comet
Tho some classes still have quite alot of buttons, just look at Monk´s Spellbook O_o
round pendant
but I feel like it's hard to learn effectively when it's just telling you what to do but yeah maybe other people have a better time with it
round pendant
Tho some classes still have quite alot of buttons, just look at Monk´s Spellbook...
Good thing number of buttons and class complexity have very little direct correlation (within reason)
drowsy comet
Good thing number of buttons and class complexity have very little direct correl...
i heard from 2 guild members actually that brewmaster now is pretty fun, but it still seem to remain the hardest tank to play
unreal yarrow
Brew is very easy now. Easy can still be fun though
drowsy comet
Tho about the WA thing, yea maybe I was speaking too generously. But still my point pretty much stands (for the most part)
lusty grotto
i had whiplash with ret last night
grizzled nova
You never actually made a point.
lusty grotto
but after a few timewalking runs, just for shit and giggles, im ok with the changes
gotta do havoc next
grizzled nova
You regurgitated a braindead take about WA playing the game for you.
grizzled nova
All the same players that are the best right now are gonna stay the best without WA in the game, they weren't good because of WA.
drowsy comet
You regurgitated a braindead take about WA playing the game for you.
Im just referring to things I watched/read. But now that they are completely gone, the game now has a perspective. Imagine an WoW console port lul
round pendant
I do find it funny how the people with the strongest opinions on WA/Addons are the ones in the worst position to even understand why they're used in the first place
unreal yarrow
The people that will suffer are the folks in low/mid heroic guilds that relied to addons like gtfo
round pendant
I don't think that's true, I think their experience will be basically exactly the same since the content is so trivial
Their UIs are just worse now
their healers are gonna suffer for sure tho
I genuinely think most WAs are just QoL in terms of showing information more efficiently and being able to see the state of your group without having to ask over voice chat if X person has Y resource (kicks, etc)
Things that should be baseline anyway
drowsy comet
The people that will suffer are the folks in low/mid heroic guilds that relied t...
it will be interesting how S1 will turn out on the Rankings. I think there will be some sort of differences
round pendant
Now the content will be designed around not having any of that stuff and so the design space has just shrunk a ton
round pendant
How has it expanded
unreal yarrow
I don't think any mechanics have drastically changed.
lusty grotto
because they can design fights without the worry that it will be trivialized by a WA
LIKE FRACTILLUS
grizzled nova
because they can design fights without the worry that it will be trivialized by ...
Blizzard's entire design language in mythic raid is to trivialize mechanics.
Nearly everything is pass fail.
You either do the mechanic correctly and nothing happens, or you don't and you wipe.
waxen cradle
Me I have found addons that continue to allow my UI to look the way I want it too so thats all I care about personally, I never used Hekili or went heavy into WA use anyway so not a big transition
round pendant
how
When it comes to boss mechanics, yeah they can make more mechanics that could otherwise be solved. But when it comes to inter-party stuff like healing, buffs, kicks, CCs, etc, it's all incredibly dumbed down as you can't design the content (especially in m+) around people being on voice, or at least they haven't in the past
waxen cradle
Me the jarring effect would have been the visual aspect of trying to get used to a different UI look, and I have fixed that issue for the most part
round pendant
also they could solve the boss design issue with 2 steps vs nuking the entire api
lusty grotto
yes
thats the point
if healing/kicks/cc is dumbed down, they focus more on shit that doesnt require that
effectively shifting their design space
round pendant
I was watching some PTR keys and nothing happens
doesn't seem like they're expanding it there ngl
lusty grotto
those are keys
grizzled nova
not all mechanics are wipe pass or fails
Boss fights are 5 to 10 minutes of 20 people learning a synchronized dance, there's virtually no room for shades of mechanic participation - sure not literally every mechanic is an autofail and exist as stressor mechanics, but the ones we're talking about WA "solving" are all pass fail.
Like blizzard isn't gonna suddenly slack off mechanics that people can "fix" mistakes for in real time, the gamers in wow would trivialize the content in a heartbeat.
round pendant
those are keys
Yeah the main content I enjoy and why I don't like the API changes because it affects it a lot. They could have addressed raid bosses while keeping m+ the same 🤷♂️
drowsy comet
<@1220392239411232840> im starting to think youre right
im eating my sandwhich while reading this convo. Excited how it will turn out
round pendant
I mean we'll see how it all pans out
lusty grotto
how long are we gonna complain about WAs after the fact?
drowsy comet
probably
lusty grotto
its been a week
waxen cradle
They are beta keys and to be taken with a grain of salt but I am wondering where some of the damage in those keys will be tuned as the damage in them can be very punishing right now
lusty grotto
im just trying to get mentally ready
drowsy comet
how long are we gonna complain about WAs after the fact?
till midnight release and thru all midnight expansion, maybe even when Last Titan comes out who knows
round pendant
They are beta keys and to be taken with a grain of salt but I am wondering where...
The core gameplay is dire, ellesmere literally fell asleep in one
waxen cradle
Yeah true
I just hope that is not Blizz's entire plan to solve boredom in keys, to just make the incoming damage really punishing because that will make them feel terrible
toxic pewter
nah the game is great again
grizzled nova
how long are we gonna complain about WAs after the fact?
"they have more design space without WA" is something that was argued a lot going in to this - and nothing will change in s1 and everyone will say oh its only the first season, then nothing will change in s2 and people will say oh its only the first expansion, and nothing will change at all until eventually we just forget or stop caring that we had the coolest mod tool of all time
toxic pewter
finally can play the game
lusty grotto
"they have more design space without WA" is something that was argued a lot goin...
have you done M Fractillus without WAs
its actually a cool fight
without WAs
drowsy comet
"they have more design space without WA" is something that was argued a lot goin...
what if blizzard decided the addon feature itself gets taken away, as a plot twist
toxic pewter
pvp is also better now its like actually fun and not just a 'see weak aura light up. press button' robotic situation actually look at wahts happening and act accordingly
lusty grotto
have you dont M Dimensius without WAs, which you dont really need
round pendant
I can see the argument (and agree) for more space without BOSS MECHANIC WAs, but nerfing all the buff/debuff/cd tracking of your own character/party just tanks the potential complexity and design space of the gameplay of that side of things 🤷♂️. It's that shrimple
lusty grotto
Dimensius is one of the best end bosses, if not THE best end boss
and the only WA you needed for it
was a dumb assignment garbage for p1
round pendant
But I also don't agree with the rhetoric that wow specs were too complex
outside of a couple cases
waxen cradle
Me and a buddy of mine in our guild had this whole conspiracy going on that what if they ended up changing there tune about addons and partnered with the addons authors and added addons to the subscription feature. 
lusty grotto
design space was limited by WAs because when it came to decision making whether to do a mechanic or not, there was the question of "will this be easily solvable by a WA" - they thought Fractillus wouldn't but it did
and then the whole fight becomes actual garbage
waxen cradle
Even had gemini right a response from Blizzard that justified it
was hilarious how official it sounded and how Blizzard it sounded
grizzled nova
its actually a cool fight
The fight as it exists
lusty grotto
yes
waxen cradle
We know it would never happen but it was funny as hell
round pendant
Don't we all agree that WAs not solving boss mechanics is good?
Not sure what we're arguing about
lusty grotto
me neither
grizzled nova
yes
Again, not enough time to achieve the mechanics if four people have to talk about who is going where.
lusty grotto
wdym
you look back
and figure it out
besides putting walls up doesnt wipe you immediately
you have more than enough time
waxen cradle
I think the only transition there will be if you can even call it a transition is people having to solve them in real time themselves rather than WA's helping them do it way faster.
grizzled nova
besides putting walls up doesnt wipe you immediately
It doesn't wipe you immediately, it'll just wipe you in the future or kill several people in the future.
grizzled nova
I think the only transition there will be if you can even call it a transition i...
My problem is when "solve in realtime" becomes a version where everyone intuitively knows the mechanics, and you're running your face into pull after pull waiting for a "good" pull where people don't overlap their mechanics because there isn't enough time to communicate the mechanics.
That's not "good design space"
That's just boring.
round pendant
I wouldn't really care about the API gutting if the baseline UI just had all the things I used (debuff filtering on party frames, kick tracker, party member CD tracking)
prob some more things
lusty grotto
filtering is coming
they havent said as much but
everybody agrees that it needs to be done
round pendant
but it's a one-two punch where they've nerfed the ability to track our resources and as a result had to nerf a bunch of the complexities of specs
lusty grotto
and it needs to happen
round pendant
so the whole game becomes less fun for me
unreal yarrow
Yeah, I think the work around with transparent icons will force their hand
grizzled nova
so the whole game becomes less fun for me
Yep exactly that.
round pendant
I wanted to learn sub rogue last season but I didn't get around to it since I was always just tanking for my friends
but I saw the new sub rogue and it's a joke
lmao
grizzled nova
Everything is slower and dumber in the name of @drowsy comet 's WA boogeyman, and I doubt the point of surety we'll see some payoff of fight complexity on the back end from it.
lusty grotto
i thought ret was a joke last night, and then i played it a bit, and i was fine with it
coarse bay
Apparently transparent icons is how platynator is doing the kick coloring on cast bars too
drowsy comet
Everything is slower and dumber in the name of <@1220392239411232840> 's WA boog...
lol
round pendant
The transparent buff tracking thing kinda just bricks your UI though
it's really scuffed
waxen cradle
Yeah I did have a friend tell me his rogue felt like a joke compared to before but he's dealing with it
round pendant
i thought ret was a joke last night, and then i played it a bit, and i was fine ...
Ret was already giga simple though, but idk what happened to it
I liked rogue it made me use my brain about when to do things
lusty grotto
HoW is gone
coarse bay
Ret was already giga simple though, but idk what happened to it
Mostly the same in feel
round pendant
now it's just a 123 pop cd on cd spec
grizzled nova
Apparently transparent icons is how platynator is doing the kick coloring on cas...
Yeah the jundies' dev explained exactly how it works here https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1qid60b/jundies_plater_updated_for_midnight/o0r4i0m/
lusty grotto
its just judgment turning into it
during wings
so i effectively had one less button to press
and i did complain about it to my friends
"this was already an easy class to play"
i literally said that twice
but after playing it for a while
im actually fine with it
coarse bay
It wouldve balanced out if they stuck with what i heard about crusading strike
lusty grotto
maybe
drowsy comet
arent we here to hate paladin tho
round pendant
What about BM nim
round pendant
I heard it went from braindead to.. what's dumber than braindead?
lusty grotto
FDK
and havoc
i did VDH and it is ridiculously easy now
but, its not a huge deal
round pendant
I mean you don't really strike me as the kinda guy who cares about skill expression and such
and that's fine
lusty grotto
youd be wrong
round pendant
But not every spec has to be simple
waxen cradle
Most specs I have tried have had significant "dumbing down" and I feel so long as they can fill that boredom with what I may be doing mechanically in some form I can deal with it
lusty grotto
i care about skill expression, i just dont see it the way you see it
round pendant
youd be wrong
I mean you just said ret (an already trivial spec) got made even simpler and that it's fine actually and vdh (a harder tank) being made ridiculously easy is also fine?
lusty grotto
yes
because tanks are needed in WoW
and having easy to pick up tanks is a good thing
grizzled nova
People aren't not playing tank because tanks have complicated rotations lol
round pendant
I mean they trivialised vdh defensives afaik
toxic pewter
People aren't not playing tank because tanks have complicated rotations lol
with brew specifically some people are
waxen cradle
I mean there will always be some form of skill expression, but maybe not in the way it has been previously
grizzled nova
People don't play tank because they have a shitload of responsibility and zero understanding from other players if you don't perfectly fulfill all those responsibilities.
lusty grotto
People aren't not playing tank because tanks have complicated rotations lol
im not saying that at all
drowsy comet
because tanks are needed in WoW
solid sun
Today is my birthday
lusty grotto
but lowering tha barrier to entry is a god thing
drowsy comet
Today is my birthday
Happy birthday!
round pendant
but we already have good simple tanks
solid sun
Ty
waxen cradle
Happy Birthday
toxic pewter
happy day of birth to rhino
round pendant
maybe it's my fighting game brain
lusty grotto
yam if you think managing frailty stacks was "skill expression" thats the part i see different
round pendant
but I like different characters (specs in this case) having varying levels of skill ceilings
grizzled nova
"I don't want to be the guy who has to know exactly which mobs are getting pulled, when they're getting pulled, where they're getting pulled to, and not dying or getting anyone else killed while doing it"
Is where there aren't a lot of tanks.
lusty grotto
so making sure you have frailty information on screen suddenly makes you a better player?
i dont fucking get it
toxic pewter
they solved that too cuz now theres a learning route affix
lusty grotto
thats not skill expression at all
solid sun
Frailty is beans
drowsy comet
because tanks are needed in WoW
I firstly wanted to play Tank because their Queue Times are pretty short, but now that Im really liking VDH and (sigh) Prot Pala, after the Pruning - I do gotta say its actually quite fun. While yes, it will be a steep learning curve, especially for M+ but I am excited ngl. However (this is not ragebait, I promise) Prot Warrior doesnt feel that fun, like it was before the pre patch
round pendant
so making sure you have frailty information on screen suddenly makes you a bette...
uh, you take in the information you have to make decisions based on it, the better you do that the better your results
Some specs should have simpler decision paths and others should be more complex
toxic pewter
vdh better now that spirit bomb is basically a button u only press every 30 or 40 seconds
lusty grotto
is that you need to have that information in the first place
and if oyu dont youre effectively cut out
round pendant
Which is blizzard's fault if it's not there
round pendant
I've said for years they should design UI elements for unique spec mechanics
grizzled nova
they solved that too cuz now theres a learning route affix
I hope that the affix at least gets some people's feet wet and they stick with it, but it won't change the responsibility part that people don't like.
toxic pewter
I hope that the affix at least gets some people's feet wet and they stick with i...
Cant deny that.. most people just do not like to lead
grizzled nova
Not to mention everyone having a shifting opinion of all those things I listed and people fly off at the fucken handle if you don't do what they consider the meta route in exactly the way they wanted you to.
round pendant
I mean you have people who won't even tank in heroic dungeons
Tankxiety is mostly a personal thing not a game design thing
and the only way to solve it via game design is make it trivial
like ffxiv, but even then people have tankxiety there
lusty grotto
i think you guys are looking way too hard into what i said
having simple tanks is lowering barriers of entry
thats it
nothing more
solid sun
We could try alleviating the pressure or responsibility as a community by informing people someone besides the tank can route
drowsy comet
i think you guys are looking way too hard into what i said
ragebait tsk tsk tsk
solid sun
Maybe we should start an initiative and maybe even a nonprofit
lusty grotto
i swear i didnt mean it as rage bait
round pendant
having simple tanks is lowering barriers of entry
I just think we had a nice blend of simple and complex specs already but a bunch of more complex ones got brought down to cater to.. who exactly?
coarse bay
We could try alleviating the pressure or responsibility as a community by inform...
We dont need the non tanks to be dictating the routes and make tanks do things they dont know lol
toxic pewter
I havent detected rage bait we just having a discussion
round pendant
Wow already had plenty of low barrier to entry specs for each role
grizzled nova
having simple tanks is lowering barriers of entry
I think it's as likely to backfire, if tanks are boring to play and you still get shit on when things go wrong (because it's as likely to be not the tank's fault that things have gone wrong, but you always get shit on regardless), even less people will tank.
round pendant
If you really vibe with vdh but it's a bit too hard just deal with that and learn? you don't have to know even 30% of your spec to do low level m+ or heroic raid which is what 99% of the community does anyway
solid sun
We dont need the non tanks to be dictating the routes and make tanks do things t...
Well the group can just decide case by case. Who is doing it. When we decide that it has to be tanks it leaves some people all out of sorts
drowsy comet
I think it's as likely to backfire, if tanks are boring to play *and* you still ...
i have experienced that in a freaking timewalking dungeon the other day
round pendant
I think it's as likely to backfire, if tanks are boring to play *and* you still ...
I mean if you follow the whole line of reasoning, the end result is an incredibly dull and simple game so that there's no friction or difficulty at all
It's extreme and obviously it'd stop before then
coarse bay
Well the group can just decide case by case. Who is doing it. When we decide tha...
From experience, people that arent tanking dont know what can and cant be pulled and how. Ive had people ask me to pull this or why cant i pull that. It just takes a tank perspective sometimes
round pendant
but it's just bad reasoning imo
solid sun
I think there’s a lot of perspectives at play. There are times where I am in no way going to die to a pull but find out quickly my group can’t handle that pull
drowsy comet
i have read that some DPS like big pulls, so they can pump out huge damage in the damagemeter, but dont know how true that is
solid sun
Sometimes the healer has helpful insight. Sometimes the dps does
coarse bay
i have read that some DPS like big pulls, so they can pump out huge damage in th...
Ya, but there’s pack combinations that are possible and some that arent
unreal yarrow
Yeah, I don't want some dumb mage telling me to pull packs with a million casters and aoes
coarse bay
My thing is that most dps and healers actually dont pay attention to routes
Ive had dps and healers at end of season actually not know routes
They follow tanks and hit buttons
unreal yarrow
I've been that healer
drowsy comet
my goal as a new fresh tank player heading into midnight will be to achieve about 2.5k rating, i think thats a solid goal. And learning that role is also pretty fun ngl
toxic pewter
the ones that dont know the routes ironically are the most annoying RouteLords
coarse bay
I think the best routing perspective is to play those other roles yourself
waxen cradle
Yeah but you can spot the ones that don't know the routes fast
toxic pewter
the real truth is blizz needs to start banning people (permanantely) for harassing tanks
(see thats rage bait)
round pendant
They should just permaban non-tanks
toxic pewter
yes
waxen cradle
If you have a mage yelling pull more every second, when your holding 3 packs... they are a idiot
grizzled nova
I mean there's definitely bad tanks out there, but I've done all three roles and tanking is the one that gets harassed the most by far and it doesn't even come close.
round pendant
eh I haven't been harassed for my tanking in years
drowsy comet
the ones that dont know the routes ironically are the most annoying RouteLords
i ran ara kara on heroic today with an fresh converted lemix character, ironically it was a second pala. Ran that, and everyone, was undergeared and didnt know any routes. Then this stupid evoker told me why I am playing tank if I dont know the route.. like bro cmon
round pendant
my healer friends get bullied tho even tho it's rarely just their fault
coarse bay
And idk if its like a tank baseline complexity or what, but maybe moving the danger away from white swings via base tankiness or something
round pendant
I think people only bully tanks in like heroic dungeons
toxic pewter
i ran ara kara on heroic today with an fresh converted lemix character, ironical...
yeah ngl routelords are probably my most hated wow subgroup of individuals
i have literally destroyed runs
for being harassed
and I am proud to say it
grizzled nova
I pugged to resil 18 and the number of times I got told to kill myself and never tank again because a key gets bopped by someone missing a kick is alarming.
round pendant
that's wild
coarse bay
Thats an ez report tbh
grizzled nova
When trash pulls go wrong it is nearly always the tank that gets blamed.
drowsy comet
isnt that an ban worthy thing tho
coarse bay
Yes
I cant say i had anything like that. Usually it was just everyone saying gg and leaving
solid sun
I’ve def experienced the most toxicity while tanking
grizzled nova
I cant say i had anything like that. Usually it was just everyone saying gg and ...
Yeah overwhelmingly everyone says ggnt and just abandons without a word.
toxic pewter
everyone loves to backseat tank but nobody want to tank
grizzled nova
But never once while dps does other dps tell me to die lol
round pendant
do awful dps and you'll get flamed every time
solid sun
I distinctly remember the beginning of that one dungeon where you ride dragons and do a fly by
unreal yarrow
Cause yam does the flaming?