protection

[astral holly]

the outburst slams did like 64k or something

on average

Is this intentional tuning to make execute terrible?

[lusty grotto]

no

[astral holly]

am I high? Are the kids wrong?

[lusty grotto]

execute isnt terrible, are you playing thane?

[astral holly]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8GwAkXrWTvzDYnga?fight=42&type=damage-done&source=19&sourcebuffs=-386478

I am looking at top prot war, he is thane

on dimmy

My logs are also similar breakdown wise but I chose a neutral party

[lusty grotto]

idk the damage is fine

there's nothing there that raises alarms

specifically on SS and Execute

but also there's no points for thorim's might

so thats 35% less execute damage

[astral holly]

This is top log in 11.2.5

[lusty grotto]

you cant compare the two

[astral holly]

Execute does like 2.5x shield slam

[lusty grotto]

tier set, talents were different

yes Thorim's Might

[astral holly]

I agree I agree, im just asking if execute is just a button we shouldnt press

unless we have nothing else

[lusty grotto]

its a button we press

[astral holly]

25% is not close to 2.5x tho

[astral holly]

none of this matters too much I was just curious what others thought, can end the discussion here

[lusty grotto]

also he has no heavy handed, and he can't cleave with low hp adds

since adds just fucking get deleted, there's no point in talenting it anyway

[astral holly]

I agree with all of that, but the discepenacy is just sooo big

even in pure ST I never had slam come anywhere close to my execute dmg

[lusty grotto]

no

its only big because of all the things affecting it

execute base coefficient got INCREASED, there was no base nerf to it

so every talent affecting it and the damage profile is important

either way its not really the best time to be looking at these things since its prepatch

and especially not comparing with anything before tuesday

the only reason we wont execute if it somehow gets nerfed into DF levels

which is absolutely not the case

also even if it is, its our only source of deep wounds now so, still worth pressing

[jagged pier]

Remove add cheese

[lusty grotto]

yup thats why i mentioned heavy handed and the adds

[astral holly]

This is p3 dmg only

but 11.2.5 patch

[lusty grotto]

stop looking at 11.2.5

[astral holly]

He asked me to remove add cheese from my pic of 11.2.5

Im just responding to him

[lusty grotto]

how long is the execute window in 11.2.5 versus now?

think about it

[astral holly]

I didnt wantt o bring it up anymore btu he asked me a question so I responded

Im looking at per cast brother

25 casts of execute vs 52 of shield slam in this log, but again its prepatch im dropping the conversation

I responded to him and im moving on

[warm plinth]

Good morning

[lusty grotto]

SS did get buffed into the clouds baseline

[undone beacon]

Good morning

[lusty grotto]

120.27% into 288.243% (of AP)

so thats obviously a contribution

but that doesnt mean execute is not worth to press

[winged mason]

Does prot feel so weak because they removed the set bonus?

[pulsar wedge]

i ran a few 12's last night for fun and was topping the charts and healer said he barely healed me and i never play prot

[lusty grotto]

weak compared to what

[winged mason]

Weak compared to before prepatch

Dps wise

[ionic fern]

o.o

Everyone does

lol

[lusty grotto]

stat squish is the biggest factor

i wouldnt say tier

[serene wave]

How are you guys doing for spell reflect? I used to use a WA but now I'm not sure, any add-ons that tell me when I'm targeted or something?

[lusty grotto]

i never used the WA so

same old to me

but yes there are addons

[pulsar wedge]

waiting for something to change, wondering if the new thingy they added for debuffs will work

[serene wave]

I'm just a shitster that needs hand holding mate

[undone beacon]

Just hit it on cd and pray it reflects something at some point (/s)

[lusty grotto]

you asked what we were doing im just answering it

[serene wave]

Same with Shield Block, I had a WA to remind me if I dropped it

[lusty grotto]

i know good players that used the WA, skill has nothing to do with it

[serene wave]

I wasn't being sarcastic btw didn't mean to come off that way 😂

[lusty grotto]

it wont be an issue in midnight since bolt slop is being significantly reduced anyway

it is now because the content we have wasnt designed for midnight

[serene wave]

Thank god

[lusty grotto]

or the WA purge

[serene wave]

I will need to find a target by spell thing at least I guess

[undone beacon]

Watching people squirm on frac without WAs was interesting

[lusty grotto]

just install TargettedSpells, thats the one people are using

[undone beacon]

I think Platynator was showing spell targets too but I also haven’t done a lot of UI work yet

Honestly I’m procrastinating on it because there’s so many addons and pieces and shit to configure for each character, not looking forward to it

[jagged pier]

U can turn on when spells cadt at u in settings

[serene wave]

I'll check, is it in the combat tab?

[jagged pier]

Nameplates i think

[warm plinth]

@proper roost @coarse bay @undone beacon @lusty grotto you guys up for HM Taz 2: Electric Boogaloo tonight?

[coarse bay]

[proper roost]

👍

[undone beacon]

I'm game

[lusty grotto]

i havent set up anything

but i guess ill try

[warm plinth]

Just do it raw like a champion

When is everyone available?

[lusty grotto]

im more worried about shit being out of place on my screen

[undone beacon]

Same time as last

[warm plinth]

Did you use elvui before Nim? I downloaded the ptr version from their discord and it seems to work okay. Just had to change a couple tags on the unit frames to make the name text and shit work

[lusty grotto]

yeah i downloaded that version too

im just probably doing naowh's thing and that'll be that

[warm plinth]

Fair

[proper roost]

I have 0 ui elements or addons set up i will be setting them up 20 minutes before we go in

Or any information about this spec (which i'm not playing anyway) 🚬

[coarse bay]

Itll be fine

Smooth

[silk cave]

Why are we using rend in the build if thunderclap applies it automatically?

[jagged pier]

because u need to have spec'd for thunderclap to apply rend

[undone beacon]

No rend talented -> no thunderclap rend

[lusty grotto]

@undone beacon are you guys not getting hit by the storm?

[solid sun]

I’m prepping for it

[tribal wharf]

reminded me of diablo 2 and other blizzard games and rpg's in general.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[tribal wharf]

makes me think of like warcraft 1 and 2

[undone beacon]

Its projected to hit us

I gotta go fill up my propane generator later

[lusty grotto]

ok cause ive been in prep mode like rhino

[tribal wharf]

end of the day just treat it like any other weekend just a more special weekend

[warm plinth]

It's hitting me but I'm jist gonna yolo it and hope nothing happens

Just

[tribal wharf]

cuz im from canada and i can tell u 100%, winter and ice and snow

can 100% fuck your shit up, in ways you dont even know

but its eh whatever

[solid sun]

I already chopped firewood

Winterized the house

[tribal wharf]

there is so much more to it than that

[solid sun]

After work I’ll make some soup

[tribal wharf]

salt for ice, and special tires for ice

[warm plinth]

It's not hitting til midnight anyway right? So we got a couple months 😏

[solid sun]

It’s not supposed to hit us until tomorrow evening

[lusty grotto]

yes a couple of months!

[warm plinth]

Ah I'm outside kcmo so we get it late tonight

[jagged pier]

[tribal wharf]

what im saying is, it doesnt hurt to have a pair of like, extra large boots and winter overalls, gloves etc

[warm plinth]

Good luck on the race to world first when you're a day behind nerds

[tribal wharf]

cuz winter is brutal

[solid sun]

I can help stay warm with apb’s takes

[warm plinth]

Speaking of which I gotta make sure to stream this run tonight

[toxic pewter]

Wat every1 doin

[toxic pewter]

With the coming ice storm I’ll be sure to make some bold statements

[tribal wharf]

medival ye old ripeth and tearth

kill fantasy monsters with fantasy guns lets call it

[orchid mural]

anyone able to comment on how much more beneficial the active Ravager is compared to Passive?

[undone beacon]

Its usually less damage overall but you get a bit more control, such as using it to range pull

Typically we run Whirling Blade instead

[orchid mural]

Iwas enjoying the passive ravager NGL, and the new guide trees are promoting the active. hmm.

[undone beacon]

They're not?

Literally every build on wowhead runs Whirling Blade

(Which is passive ravager)

[orchid mural]

ah. the icy veins M+ one was for the active ravager. my mistake.

[undone beacon]

At the end of the day its pretty much personal choice, especially during prepatch

If you like passive run it, if you want active run that

[orchid mural]

/nod.

[plush tendon]

My prep for the storm was loading up on beer and snacks for Football Sunday

go Pats!

[toxic pewter]

They just beat the Texans.. actually Texans blew the game to them I should say lol

[lusty grotto]

that goes without saying

alcohol is the #1 thing on storm preps

biggest prio

[toxic pewter]

Hmmmm interesting maybe I should stop by store and stock up myself now that you mention it

[undone beacon]

I've got a liquour stores worth of alcohol and enough snacks to send a lesser man into a coma

[lusty grotto]

total wine ftw

[toxic pewter]

Yah total wine is great store

[lusty grotto]

and costco of course

[undone beacon]

Love me some total wine

get a nice bottle of mead

oh yeah

[mighty valley]

Total Wine has a name like a sketchy liquor store but it's so good

Better than bevmo imo

[solid sun]

Love total wine

They do samples

I love samples at total wine

[warm plinth]

Early out of work let's goooo

[toxic pewter]

I was just at Costco business center, Sam’s Club, and regular Costco today alone

[warm plinth]

Busy busy busy

[toxic pewter]

Stocked up with bunch of crap before winter storm

[solid sun]

I don’t believe in winter

It’s gonna be totally fine

[azure crag]

the lack of options on the personal resource display are so depressing.
Can't even adjust its size

[solid sun]

Cobat we are talking about winter storm apb

Not personal resource displays

[warm plinth]

Come on Cobat, read the room smh

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I personally think it’s all made up by big meteorology and big box store to drive big sales to be honest

But alas

Better safe than sorry they say

[solid sun]

Sheesh Cobat

[lusty grotto]

validate_my_opinion.gif

[warm plinth]

jk we love you Cobat

Personal resource display is 100% poopy

[solid sun]

Jk Cobat you stink

[azure crag]

😭

[solid sun]

Jk about the Jk you don’t stink

apb said big meteorology

I chuckled

They don’t even study meteors what kinda scam are they running

[warm plinth]

Yeah, meteorologists actually get a 5% kickback on all sales generated by the reporting of an inclement weather event. You didn't know that?

[toxic pewter]

It’s like that episode of curb your enthusiasm where the weatherman keeps telling people it’s gonna rain just so he can get prime golfing tee time when it does not in fact rain

[solid sun]

Consider my enthusiasm NOT CURBED

[tribal wharf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_X5KO9WEAErvGJ?format=jpg&name=small

i need to know your answer, for science, of course

im going with B

[frosty mango]

as a fellow beer enjoyer total wine is confirmed legit

expensive tho

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-defense-hitting-nerf-gif-20700001

new weapon against cat

when cat comes to annoy mouse

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-silly-cat-game-cat-memes-cat-explode-gif-17182426886809114421

yer pathethic tools dont scare me

[lusty grotto]

we will see ab out that

[sinful copper]

This is the one Yoda uses? Where's he posting what UI add-ons he uses now?

[coarse bay]

I have no idea, he’s used it for awhile and i needed something to keep track of my cursor while holding right click. Its been a long time

[sinful copper]

Oooh

Yeah man I'm too old. I can't see my cursor at all when I play and it's a big pull

I need some bright shit with flashing lights

[lusty grotto]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ultimate-mouse-cursor this is the WA i used

in addon form

[undone beacon]

bless i needed this

thanks nim

[sinful copper]

It works with no errors? And do u also use sensei for resources?

[coarse bay]

Yes and yes

[sinful copper]

Why the fuck did they take away WA, elvui, and add-ons, if we have to find addon options for all of them again

[lusty grotto]

they didnt take away elvui

[undone beacon]

Because it was never a war on addons it was a war on weakauras

[lusty grotto]

we're using the PTR version, works fine

[sinful copper]

Oh. Shit

There's a ptr version of elvui?

[lusty grotto]

yeah hold on

[sinful copper]

[lusty grotto]

https://api.tukui.org/v1/download/dev/elvui/ptr

you gotta manually install it of course

i.e. uncompress and put in the addons folder

[toxic pewter]

Wat that

[lusty grotto]

its elvui

also btw @sinful copper they will release the update this weekend

[warm plinth]

I mean, tbf they didn't take away WA. WA chose not to update. Mouse cursor would still work in WA as it was already a lua coded weakaura, but the framework addon obviously doesn't work now because they (weakauras) didn't update.

[toxic pewter]

U think it worth using if I never used it before

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt know

thats entirely a you thing lol

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying they are wrong for not updating, but like, a lot of the more advanced weakauras were already basically addons, just loaded with WA instead of as an independent addon

[sinful copper]

Huge

[lusty grotto]

lmao neph

this just keeps getting more stupid

rip whoever uses neph ui

[sinful copper]

And are those the bastards that were slowing my game down and causing freezes?

[lusty grotto]

abandon ship

yes

for the most part usually WAs were to blame, outside of the SL Elvui incident

90% of the time it was some dogshit aura that didnt get purged or updated

[strong forum]

^

Most people suffered bad fps from having bloated, deprecated, outright infunctional addons, weakauras and profiles installed and collectively blamed elvui

[coarse bay]

Elvui gave me joint pain and caused hair loss

[warm plinth]

@coarse bay when you around muchacho

[coarse bay]

Im on my way, probably 40ish minutes

[warm plinth]

hokay that's what I figgered

no rush

[lusty grotto]

i dont think ill be able to

reschedule for tomorrow?

@warm plinth

oh right storm tomorrow

[warm plinth]

We can tentatively reschedule for tomorrow, though I don't know if my power and/or internet will be working due to the storm

[lusty grotto]

ngl but my shit isnt in a working state

im working on it

but idk

[warm plinth]

np, if you end up getting it working, that's fine. If not, it's not a big deal

[undone beacon]

Wait so are we not doing Taza?

Darn I did a quick dinner instead of an intensive dinner

Sadge

[warm plinth]

Perhaps, perhaps not

[undone beacon]

Just ping me I’m gonna watch some tv

[lusty grotto]

we can try

but ill be default UIing until i get my shit sorted out

[coarse bay]

Intensive?

I dont mind doing it whenever works

Ill be around all weekend

[undone beacon]

I made pho instead of salmon hibachi

Same yeah idc

[coarse bay]

Wow

Can u cook for me

[undone beacon]

No im not a good cook it sounds better than it is

[coarse bay]

It sounds amazing

Im available rn but honestly postponing would be a bit better for me too

[warm plinth]

Np np, we'll plan for tomorrow, weather permitting

assuming that works for @proper roost

[coarse bay]

Ya if it needs to go down tonight im still game though

[warm plinth]

weather permitting is more like my power/internet permitting

[coarse bay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/ySIQrRa7Od

the quazii drama is getting deeper

[lusty grotto]

did you see that neph quit?

archi has a tweet

[warm plinth]

who is neph

[lusty grotto]

neph ui

[warm plinth]

never heard of it

Isn't quazii's ui literally just naowh's ui? XD

[lusty grotto]

no

[warm plinth]

they look the same

based on the images I've seen

[coarse bay]

People are saying quazii took a lot from other people and elvui, that and because its paywalled people are angry

[warm plinth]

before pre-patch anyway. I don't watch streamers so idk what they look like now

I mean, it's not a new thing to block streamer UI's behind some kind of paywall. Pretty sure naowh's is for twitch subs only or something

[lusty grotto]

the tl;dr
quazii, neph, danders have UI addons, mostly vibe coded
neph blames quazii for "stealing code" and charging for it
danders blames neph for "stealing code" and blocks his addon running with neph's

also put a copyright bs on curse for him which apparently is still being investigated

[warm plinth]

That's pretty funny

[coarse bay]

Im pretty sure you were correct about this too, his stuff is patreon for early access but i think its supposed to be free when complete/midnight

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it literally says "this ui is my thank you for keeping the quazii youtube channel alive" on the website

[coarse bay]

But technically if something is only accessible by $ it is against the rules. John Blizzard doesnt really enforce rules tho

[lusty grotto]

i told neph it was ironic on naowh's stream

and he replied with that

https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/2014808251322282341

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros)

NephUI is crashing out, and I love the rationalization that LUA is so piss easy it's better to have AI do a bad job instead. 🤔

X · Jan 23, 2026, 9:11 PM

and this is the latest

[coarse bay]

LOL grok decided to stop

Wut

[lusty grotto]

and now the reddit topic

shit is wild

i admit im only following because its so fucking stupid that it just makes me curious

for some reason

[warm plinth]

Should be stated re: the blizzard ignoring thing

[lusty grotto]

also this is theun's tweet that i posted there

https://x.com/Theunwow/status/2014082987617337843/photo/1

[warm plinth]

That addons that have paywalls are generally getting around it by having SOME functionality without paying

And then you pay for extra shit

e.g. zygor, restedxp, tsm

[lusty grotto]

im ok to pay for profiles

the rest is some shady shit for sure

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, I paid for zygor for a long time, and I've purchased a couple of RestedXP guides.

I will say that a.) if paying for it IS only for early access, it should be stated clearly somewhere, and b.) it's scummy as fuck to steal work others did and then charge for it lol

[coarse bay]

Ive used my twitch prime to get streamer ui profiles too cuz i liked some stuff and snag it for myself lol

[warm plinth]

and also they should get something from Blizzard to stop this if they're full addons

It's one thing to pay for an ElvUI profile. Quite another to pay for the entire addon

[coarse bay]

This is getting big enough that blizz will 100% need to step in and make a stance

[undone beacon]

People care way too fucking much lol

Also we’re postponing right? Pending Kanga ofc

[warm plinth]

I care way too fucking much about my Skyhold frens

gottem

[undone beacon]

[warm plinth]

yeah I think that makes the most sense at this point

[undone beacon]

Aight cool

Tbh I have barely set shit up but I’m just vibin

I might set up arc ui tonight

[warm plinth]

I got my woyer set up and ready to go, and my hunter will take like 5 seconds

[undone beacon]

I hear good things about arc

[proper roost]

all g tomorrow is way better just ping time

[warm plinth]

[coarse bay]

Arc is all ive tried and it seems pretty good

Kinda annoying to figure out after years of weakauras but i think its just what we can get

[warm plinth]

what should I get for idnner

[undone beacon]

Salmon hibachi

[warm plinth]

I have a ramen noodles pallete, and I don't mean actual ramen

palate

however you spell it

[lusty grotto]

im in a playable state ngl

so if we want to go now i can

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bduYZ.gif

[lusty grotto]

anyway, the irony in all of these copy accusations is that ALL CHATBOTS PULL FROM GITHUB, so if their code is there, its fair game to grab snippets

and second of all quazii doesnt really charge, he does some early releases WIP kind of thing to patreons but its not the finished product, thats always free

[warm plinth]

ElvUI does actually have a copyright on their addon though

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt really work the same way as media in general

[warm plinth]

Sure, but Blizzard's rule isn't "you can charge for addons as long as it's temporary"

It's you can't charge for addons

[tribal wharf]

i remember the drama about cant pay for addons all the way back in original burning crusade launch

the arrow addon

[lusty grotto]

a lot of devs dont understand coding law

a lawyer can have a field day with that claim

[warm plinth]

I bought Joana's guide back in late vanilla I think

I might be misremembering but I don't think it was an actual addon

At least, not entirely

[tribal wharf]

whatever the book that came out for wow in 2004 or 2005 was

it was just the book

but it had like, paladins have healing aura

which ahem...

[warm plinth]

Nah this was a player's leveling guide; they had the world record for 1-60 at the time

You mean like the prima guide? XD

[tribal wharf]

but for most things it was actually not that bad of a strategy guide

i have no idea but it was clearly based on beta

or like 1.x (x being 1-4)

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I remember buying one of those for EQOA (PS2 version of EverQuest) and a good 25-30% of the information was just completely wrong

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

some people made an actual copy of EQ1 as a single player game

[tribal wharf]

no idea what happened to that book

i had it for like a week or month or something

dissappeared

[lusty grotto]

here it is https://monstersandmemories.com/

well its not ST

but

its literally eq1 lmao

[warm plinth]

That's pretty funny

EQOA servers went down like...12 years ago, and a group of players have since managed to reverse engineer it and get people back online with an emulator. It's wild.

[lusty grotto]

i know daybreak still keeps eq1 online

has like 90 expansions

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the issue with EQOA (they were trying to get legit permission at one point) was that it was like...Daybreak owned the game but SOE owned all of the network-side stuff

[lusty grotto]

everquest.com has all the info

but daybreak is SOE

[warm plinth]

Like they had the game for a long time but they literally had to rebuild the networking part from scratch

Yeah, Sony kept the networking shit though

It didn't go to Daybreak

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[warm plinth]

It was a very weird thing and frustrated them for a long time (I was following along in the facebook group) but they managed to figure it out at some point a couple years ago

I know they'd reached out to Daybreak numerous times trying to get permission and that was the response they got, that Daybreak didn't own that part of it

[lusty grotto]

unfortunate

[warm plinth]

I guess maybe it just wasn't part of the studio sale

[lusty grotto]

shit like that is why the stop killing games is good

[warm plinth]

random ass thing ot keep but 🤷

Kinda wild a PS2 MMO stayed online for 9 years though

[lusty grotto]

yeah

considering even FFXI and XIV shut down older consoles after a while

and those are the only surviving console MMOs

though im not sure if phantasy star is up or w/e

i saw something about it some time ago, but it felt like it was a re release or something

[warm plinth]

Looks like the last official servers shut down in 2010, but there are still private servers

There was a phantasy star online 2: new genesis released in 2021

[lusty grotto]

yeah that

[warm plinth]

Looks like that's still going, and the original phantasy star 2 is as well and they share a playerbase apparently somehow

Interesting

[lusty grotto]

thats wild

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it says new genesis has a completely different gameplay and everything, but they didn't want to alienate PSO2 or split the playerbase, so they somehow work together despite PSO2 being 10 years old at the time they launched it

I bet that's wild

[lusty grotto]

oh

reddit has a topic on the UI drama too

besides the quazii thing

[warm plinth]

oh dear

[lusty grotto]

with the most perfect meme pic

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1ql5f05/the_start_of_the_vibecoded_addon_wars/

but yeah this guy thought the same way i did

[warm plinth]

Oh I didn't realize they had made them with AI lol

[lusty grotto]

i mentioned that

[warm plinth]

I must have missed it

[lusty grotto]

vibe coded

is coding with AI

[warm plinth]

Ohhh

I did not know that

[lusty grotto]

essentially just telling AI what to do via prompts

[warm plinth]

Yeah I've done it

Just not with wow addons haha

[lusty grotto]

usually with an agent, you dont have to write anything

[coarse bay]

It’s been controversial for awhile the fact that the ai engines pull from a ton of places without “permission” or citing

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt need permission to pull from github

if they use a chatgpt model for example

[warm plinth]

I did a lot of lua/xml scripting for a tablestop simulator game using AI though. And I use it for Excel formulas and macros. The former only because I'm super lazy and would prefer the AI just write it for me lol

[coarse bay]

I think there was something different from github but its been awhile

[lusty grotto]

but it def cant pull from a private git repo

[coarse bay]

I think artists were mad for ai copying art?

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats entirely different though

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

the problem here is the cheating accusations

like if you use AI, what the fuck do you expect when it pulls from github or any public repo

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, if they all coded with AI then you didn't steal anything and no one stole from you. You all just used the same tool to write it lol

[coarse bay]

Ya i mean, idc if they use ai tbh

[warm plinth]

I don't think anyone does. Just the fact that they're whining about each other when they all did

[coarse bay]

I guess id feel bad if it were my work though

[lusty grotto]

right the whole vibe code thing is irrelevant by itself

[warm plinth]

Except ElvUI of course

but htey aren't in the argument as far as I know

[lusty grotto]

yeah they arent

but you can be sure that elvui devs are using AI as well in some capacity, there's a lot of value in AI doing boilerplate stuff

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that would make sense. Like making a blank template of a spreadsheet or something. No reason to make it from scratch if you don't have to right

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

50 mins til pizza 😭

It's a whole 5 degrees outside

massive

[lusty grotto]

i took a page from Rhino and made a lot of soup

so thats what im eating

[warm plinth]

I bought pizza but I got some sghetti and hot dogs for the next couple days that I can make

ezpz

[solid sun]

Heck yeah brother look at us

[undone beacon]

I had Pho

It was very nice on a cold night like this

I can’t wait for this monster snowstorm to be like 2 inches

[urban bane]

lmao

[errant wagon]

does anyone have any idea if it's safe to faction change if you were in title range? I know they don't grant the title for awhile and this is my first time ever hitting it

no idea where to ask and no one knows lol

[lusty grotto]

why would you risk it now

there's nothing in game that needs you changing faction

[errant wagon]

cus i hate being a dwarf 😭

[lusty grotto]

i mean

kinda seems rationally simple to me

[errant wagon]

the heart and brain desire different things

[lusty grotto]

i lost a glad title doing something like that but that was way back then

i cant really answer for now

but i def wouldn't risk it

[errant wagon]

that's a good point of reference

best concrete evidence i have so far

[lusty grotto]

not for something as silly as not wanting to be a dwarf

considering the time investment alone

[errant wagon]

yeaaa I know it's the sensible thing. just was curious if anyone knew

[lusty grotto]

and tbf it wasnt faction change, it was a team swap

[errant wagon]

I will just keep being a smelly dwarf

[coarse bay]

ya honestly id expect it to lose title

[undone beacon]

Hold out just a little longer, better to not risk it

You only have to be a dwarf for a little bit, but you could lose the title forever

[mighty valley]

We’re all gonna die one day

You can’t take title with you

[solid sun]

Those are the sort of affirmations Harrow says to their family everytime they start up the grill

[errant wagon]

😂 yess these are the thoughts i need filling my head

i'll probably just waittttt

[coarse bay]

But what id they withhold title on account of you being dwarf? This could backfire

[pallid quiver]

says you, i got my afterlife "keep your shit" portal already set up

[undone beacon]

Its going on my tombstone

[errant wagon]

we still playing mountain thane for keys in pre-patch?

wasn't sure if colossus overtakes now with tier set gone

[undone beacon]

They're just about equal, play the one you like more

[pure willow]

Gg lads prot got gutted

[coarse bay]

Gg

When did this gutting happen btw?

[pure willow]

This patch

[coarse bay]

[errant wagon]

i mean, still seems pretty baller to me

[coarse bay]

It got gutted this patch, didnt you hear?

Literally taken out back and shot

[errant wagon]

still running high keys and it feels fine 🤷‍♂️

[coarse bay]

Officially ungutted, we balling

Still unsure what the gutting entailed but that was a wild ride

[pure willow]

We got thunderous taken signet of fallen kings taken made last stand a passive idk

Im just not a fan personally the class feels like it got gutted for me though its still really good

[coarse bay]

Unfortunately pruning literally everything is blizzard’s dream rn, even pruning fun. Warrior honestly did pretty good, a lot of classes got it pretty bad

[undone beacon]

Thunderous going away sucks, losing Last Stand was whatever because it was kinda a lame button anyways

What is signet of fallen kings

oh is that the "activating avatar gives shield wall"?

[mighty valley]

No that was Immovable Object

[undone beacon]

then whats signet of fallen kings

[round pendant]

Immovable Object

that has to be what they're referring to, no?

[mighty valley]

yeah signet was a legion/shadowlands legendary that was roughly similar

so I guess that’s what she means?

of all the prunings this patch it does not feel like one of the biggest

[ocean token]

Should i spend violent outburst on ss or tb

[fallow fern]

sorry if its been asked.. but is there still a good way to track tomb..? or got to just watch buff bar?

[jagged pier]

U can only send it on ss

[jagged pier]

U got to watch thhe buff bar

[fallow fern]

ugh

ok

[round pendant]

holy shit quazii drama is entertaining

[drowsy comet]

I literally woke up in peace, looked at my phone.. scrolled thru Twitter and BOOM I hear every Addon Dev imploding, and rn Im reading thru their statements, like Quazii leaving WoW

O_o

[round pendant]

lmao

[drowsy comet]

it would be a huge freaking plot twist if suddenly CurseForge or Wago.io charges for their program

[round pendant]

Quazii folding within 3 hours is comical tbh

[drowsy comet]

actually, yes.
I always wondered why in hell he would charge for his UI for Midnight (while yes, he did some work) meanwhile the Addons you´d need are all free, and they dont charge anything. But Quazii charging 5 bucks on Patreon, its fine (its not actually).
And now this whole drama is starting to get worse and worse for every Dev.

NephUI being like a little kid in his statement is also just pure comedy actually 😂

[serene wave]

Duckiee starts shit and does not update his UI. Quazii makes an objectively better product and the Elv Stans start a shitstorm. Average day on the internet and now we lost one of the best creators and an amazing UI.

[serene wave]

also true tho

[drowsy comet]

Not defending Quazii, but his videos really teached and helped alot of people (including me tho). Like his Beginner Guide being over 2 hours long explaining every single detail and how to progress. And making Tank and M+ Guides were wonderful. And now, he fades away

[serene wave]

I agree, I thank him for helping me and my group learn the game properly and push to 3.4k rio. His free platers, ui stuff and masterclasses taught me a lot about the game and how to handle the tank role and now he is gone. It''s just sad to lose a really good creator that guided his community and genuenly made them better players.

[round pendant]

His earlier content had value, especially during DF

But the ai slop thumbnails always rubbed me the wrong way

needless to say I'm not surprised his ui was vibe coded or stole code (allegedly)

[errant wagon]

i wanted to go see what you meant, never looked at his youtube, and he took every video down 😂

or privated i guess

[round pendant]

Holy he just did that in the last 10 minutes then

[errant wagon]

yea he's like cleansing in real time

[round pendant]

cause as I sent that message I checked it to see if he was using the ai thumbnails back during DF cause I couldn't remember

which he was

[drowsy comet]

omfg he actually took his videos down O_o

[round pendant]

ffs I wanted to see what his UI actually looked like

[drowsy comet]

not really "his" UI, its just a bunch of addons you require to copy his UI layout

https://youtu.be/txrngtdASVk?si=yoKaER3L4BmdTbOU this is in german, but thats how the whole launcher and UI looked in the Midnight Beta

[round pendant]

lmao

I can't imagine charging for this

[cerulean tusk]

So what did he do wrong, for seemingly getting hate and getting lol'd for breaking?

[jagged pier]

Capatlism

[round pendant]

Allegedly stole elvui code

[drowsy comet]

I also think his excuse of saying "I have to feed a family" is very very weak. Theres lots of people who have to work a real time job and also need to feed a family, and do far more work. And him charging for an ingame layout is just not acceptable

[round pendant]

I mean you can make money without being unethical for sure

He's a streamer/content creator

[jagged pier]

A streamer and content creator for wow

Which hes now quit

[cerulean tusk]

Well, if it is true. Then it is a good thing he quite WoW/full time content creation if it didnt pay enough to feed his family

[jagged pier]

True

[drowsy comet]

guess he needs to find a job now

[round pendant]

I think he streams other mmos but yeah

My point is just you don't need to steal code or vibe code or paywall addons to make money in the space

[drowsy comet]

and then folding like a piece of paper and quit, and taking down ur videos

🤣

[serene wave]

I just wanted a plug and play easy to set UI, now it has been taken down and I can't be fucked anymore 😭

[round pendant]

Yeah I'm laughing at him cause of how quick he folded + I'm vehemently anti-ai so it's cathartic for me

[serene wave]

And spending 5 dollars for the convenience was fine to me

[round pendant]

Just wait for ElvUI lil gup

[serene wave]

Real

I'll give the new luxthos vid a spin, see if that works

[cerulean tusk]

I just use blizz base ui for now, it works well enough. Then i will next expansion start to build on as needed

[round pendant]

if I were to play rn I'd just use the base UI until Cell + Plater work again, I'm not touching any of these new vibecoded addons lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Ya ppl in an extreme hurry it seems

[round pendant]

but I also would make my own CDM skin addon so

but I get that most people can't do that

[drowsy comet]

yea ElvUI will make both NephUI and QUI look real bad

[serene wave]

Plateynator is ok enough

[round pendant]

I assume elvui will skin cdm?

[serene wave]

I'm just going to use that, bagnon and the blizz cd manager

[round pendant]

Apparently Quazii is offering refunds so

[jagged pier]

Luhxous or whatever it has that

[drowsy comet]

Yea he did state that. Oh and you cant even send a message in his discord 😂

[serene wave]

Yeah, I saw he just release a long form video with his set up and strings. Might have to look that up once I'm back from work

[cerulean tusk]

Just let the man have his cup of coffee

[serene wave]

He said he's biking the discord at the end of the day I'm pretty sure before I left it

[serene wave]

Honestly I used a lot of his content when I came back to the game in DF, a lot of his stuff for free too. He can a fiver on me lol

[drowsy comet]

wdym with biking? english aint my native language i really dont get what u mean 😄

[serene wave]

Nuking*

[round pendant]

or I could get myself a coffee

[serene wave]

In this economy

[drowsy comet]

oh, thanks^^

[serene wave]

No prob, as a non native English speaker I get the struggle 😂

[cerulean tusk]

I cant see myself trying to get a refund on a cup of coffee, ngl

But if that is what you need to buy a new one, do it

If i did that, boy would i look petty

[round pendant]

damn if only I didn't get bored of making my own UI replacement addon I could be raking it in (in terms of clout) rn

[serene wave]

Market is wide open for it to be fair, elvui is behind rn and no real alternatives are there to that level of quality

[round pendant]

What's petty about refunding your payment for a product you're not getting? (if that was why he subbed to his patreon in the first place)

especially when the person is offering you the refund in the first place

[serene wave]

That's what a lot of peeps did, including me

[drowsy comet]

I expect ElvUI to be ready tomorrow or maybe even on Monday. Still very soon tho

[cerulean tusk]

Cause it is such a small amount it aint worth any of my time

[drowsy comet]

and once ElvUI is here, people are happy

[round pendant]

the Cell dev is making his own full UI replacement too, been in the works for quite a while now

[serene wave]

Uh that's pretty interesting, I used to really like cell before I went full ElvUi

[round pendant]

That's fair, my laziness would prob prevent me from actually bothering with it too

[round pendant]

https://github.com/enderneko/BFInfinite

It's very elvui like

[serene wave]

Can't wait for the drama then 😂

But thanks for the link, I'll keep an eye on it

[round pendant]

Nah it's made from scratch

just very clearly inspired

lmao

[coarse bay]

Wow that was a crazy update

I personally dont like quazii and think his content sucks, and he’s also just put out wrong information (sqw). But thats crazy its pushed him to quit, the hate sent his way mustve been extreme

If he didnt frame it as an addon im sure it’d be swept under the rug like every creator ui

[drowsy comet]

@serene wave

[serene wave]

I'm from phone and can't read shit 😂 what's happening

[drowsy comet]

he nuked all the channels in his discord and only left these 2 up, this is just overdramatic now ngl

[urban bane]

cant help but feel bad for the guy. dont particularly like his content but yea he did a lot to get people more passionate. but ya youd think this was like... a method josh situation with how huge the reaction has been

[drowsy comet]

Idk what to say, but all this drama is just really wild. And seeing Quazii just be gone, and turning off his videos on YT, his discord etc.. like dayum

[urban bane]

yea

[warm plinth]

Why are two of them quitting wow over basically nothing

[urban bane]

right?

Maybe Q was already on the edge of quitting anyway and this kinda just was the final nudge

who knows

[warm plinth]

99.99% if internet drama can be avoided by those involved just not saying anything

Of*

[serene wave]

All on the span of less than 24h

[urban bane]

yeah idk. theres so many options other than just going nuclear

[warm plinth]

Right? You'd think someone just chris Hansoned them or something

[solid sun]

Who else left besides the Quaz

I prep for a winter storm one time and miss all the drama

[warm plinth]

Neph

[coarse bay]

Tbh i never even heard of neph before all this

[solid sun]

I heard of him earlier during the addon stuff because he was making a UI addon and people said he was using ai to write the code for him?

[warm plinth]

Me neither

[solid sun]

Is that why he left?

[jagged pier]

it was overdramatic, delete his website and videos tbh

[warm plinth]

All of the people involved in the addon drama used AI

[round pendant]

what does sqw mean

[warm plinth]

*from what I have heard

[jagged pier]

because ppl arent happy 1 they used AI to code the addons and 2 stolen code from other addons

[coarse bay]

Spell queue window

[jagged pier]

so they both threw hissy fits about it

[round pendant]

Ah right

[drowsy comet]

@Grok explain me this drama

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like I said, they could have just ignored it and the 5 people on the internet who care would have forgotten pretty fast

[solid sun]

Is there a reason to be mad about the AI portion other than just not liking AI

[round pendant]

Is that not a valid reason?

[jagged pier]

i mean theres alot of things not to be happy about AI along side just not liking it

but this isnt the place to discuss that

[round pendant]

I don't think he's quit like Quazii? Just decided not to continue with the UI

[warm plinth]

I think the quazii part specifically is because he was charging for it

[jagged pier]

well he was charging, but he also didnt actually write naything

[solid sun]

If using the AI stuff isn’t hurting anyone then it seems kinda weird to go hard in the paint on someone for it, which is why I asked if there’s a reason to be mad about it besides just not liking the use of AI

[jagged pier]

it was basically mostly taken from other ppls work

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I mean if he had wrote it, people probably wouldn't have cared as much

[urban bane]

yeah we're warriors we dont ""do"" intelligence, let alone artificial intelligence

[warm plinth]

It was the combination of things that made it as big of a deal as it became from what I can tell

[urban bane]

[solid sun]

Stealing code def seems like a big no no

[warm plinth]

I could be applying my own perspective though

[solid sun]

I’d be pretty irked if I worked hard on writing something and someone else yoinked it and also charged for it

[urban bane]

people lift code and profiteer off of addon dev work all the time

[cerulean tusk]

copypasta free mod stuff is a nono?

[round pendant]

Don't listen to anybody telling you it's normal in coding either. It's normal in that it's common but you're SUPPOSED to abide by licenses and all rights are reserved by default

[warm plinth]

Well, elvui is free with conditions.

[urban bane]

well here's where it is weird right bc like, where's the pitchforks for folks like naowh or atrocity

who make bank off of addon devs

[round pendant]

Don't they just sell their import codes?

[urban bane]

In effect is it really that different?

[warm plinth]

Well, yeah

[round pendant]

Yeah cause it didn't involve stealing code to create your lil customiser UI

[warm plinth]

Is it a big deal? Idk, your call. But they are different

[solid sun]

It seems different to me

[warm plinth]

I would never pay for a streamer's UI regardless of whether it's a full addon or a profile string

But offering an addon for sale that uses actual files from someone's addon, vs selling a profile string is different to me

[solid sun]

I feel like it’s against the TOS even though blizzard hasn’t stopped it

[urban bane]

I dont know enough about the extent to which quazii was lifting i guess but what at what point

[round pendant]

I agree tho that it's weird that people give creators money for their import codes rather than supporting the core addons

[urban bane]

is it not considered an implementation

rather than plagiarism

[warm plinth]

Quazii was 100% against tos because it was an entire addon

[solid sun]

Yeah that one is

[warm plinth]

Most others are in a gray area that blizzard doesn't enforce

[solid sun]

I just think the import codes technically are also but blizzard hasn’t stopped it

[round pendant]

Apparently the file was almost identical down to the comments

[warm plinth]

They aren't selling an addon but rather a specific way to use the addon

[round pendant]

I haven't seen it, so I can't say

It could also be a side effect of the LLM they were using (him, danders, neph, all of which accused eachother of stealing afaik) having very little wow-specific lua code in the training data

so if you prompt it for "pixel perfect UI scaling" it'll regurgitate very similar code for different people

[warm plinth]

Yeah I haven't looked at anything about this beyond what's been shared here. I just think it's fun and interesting to talk about it haha

[urban bane]

what if he didnt paywall it and credited the people he borrowed from, would that be less of an issur?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[urban bane]

yeah same fwiw

[solid sun]

Yeah I think that changes it entirely

[warm plinth]

Elvui allows people to use their files and even credits people who have done so on their website (e.g. shadow & light)

[round pendant]

yeah at that point all he'd be clowned on is for vibe coding at all

[urban bane]

im a little confused why he didnt just release it public

[round pendant]

and maybe paywalling it

[warm plinth]

From what I heard he was paywalling the "early release" and it would've been free in midnight

[urban bane]

but maybe hes just done

[round pendant]

the paywalling breaching ToS thing is so easily fixed tho

Just have some basic barebones setup + customiser public and free and charge for the import string that just sets up the customiser to give you his UI

[warm plinth]

Yep. That's how literally every other paid addon works

Zygor, restedxp, tsm

[round pendant]

Cause I'm ngl the concept of an addon that takes all your addon's settings into one menu that you can export/import is actually kinda nice

but ig just backing up your WTF folder does that

[warm plinth]

also MDT when Nnoggie was trying to paywall it was the same

[urban bane]

oh i remember tht

s1 SL

[warm plinth]

Yeah, base addon was free, but the maps were blank

[urban bane]

i feel kinda bad for the people who kinda got rug pulled by spending time setting up their shit with qui or nephui

[round pendant]

Quazii is at least offering refunds

[urban bane]

oh thats good

[warm plinth]

He could've just done that part and not self-destructed and everything would've been fine after a few days

[round pendant]

Yeah the foldage is what made me even care about this drama

[urban bane]

yeah it seems so

[solid sun]

I’m kinda wondering if Quazii was on the edge of quitting anyways and when this happened he decided it was time

[round pendant]

tho it's cathartic seeing vibe coded 'projects' crash and burn

[urban bane]

hahah

[warm plinth]

You kind of have to be right? To react that strongly?

[round pendant]

He said he was

[urban bane]

almost as if there is a skill to labor or something

[warm plinth]

So are you against just AI in general or specific uses of it?

[round pendant]

I'm against LLMs and generative AI in general

[warm plinth]

what is LLM?

[round pendant]

I don't mind neural networks as a concept and there's useful applications like a good one is AlphaFold

[round pendant]

large language model

[warm plinth]

Oh that's like when AI is "trained" on a bunch of shit right

[round pendant]

yeap

[solid sun]

What if I just wanted my own addon to do something and used AI to write my own little thing and just used it for myself.

[round pendant]

I wouldn't care but I'd judge you a lil if you told me about it

You're robbing yourself of learning and doing cool shit yourself

[warm plinth]

I've used AI to code for things only me and my friends will use. I've also used it to write excel formulas and vba macros (though that's just me being lazy, not being ignorant of how to write them)

But like for the first thing, my friend made a board game on TTS and I did all the lua scripting with Copilot's help

Though I will say that I actually did learn from the experience. I couldn't code something on my own to this day, but you actually have to guide and correct AI a fair bit, so I was forced to learn some things just to figure out where it messed up

[round pendant]

I'm not gonna disown anybody for like using it as an autocomplete for boilerplate or small things, as much as I still don't like it and think AI does nothing but save lazy people a bit of time and pollutes the planet

but shit that's entirely vibe-coded shouldn't see the light of day and I WILL laugh at you if you claim to have made something when it's 90% llm generated code

[solid sun]

Are you a programmer, Yam

Or maybe a code hobbyist type

[round pendant]

I've had 1 programming job but mostly just a hobbyist since I was like 10 years old

[drowsy comet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1qlfyz1/quaziis_ui_response_is_a_masterclass_in_avoidance/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Worth to read ngl

[solid sun]

You seem passionate about it, which is why I asked

[warm plinth]

AI in general I feel has been allowed an insane amount of free rein throughout its development without anyone questioning the ethics of it (at least, not in a way that has slowed it down)

[solid sun]

It’s cool you learned how to do that stuff. It all seems like wizardry to me

[round pendant]

I have the same opinions when it comes to art or music or photography even though I don't do any of those things

I fundamentally just like real things made by real people

[drowsy comet]

I personally think Quazii knew he copies the PixelPerfect.lua Code and instead of providing evidence or show actual proof, he stepped back and didnt say much. This guy definetly did not had a leg to stand up to

[solid sun]

I have strong opinions about the art and music, etc side but that comes from a desire to like

Protect our arts

If that makes sense

Art history and how future generations learn about past generations and what we pass down to our young ones and all that

I think it’s important for those things to be human

[warm plinth]

oof, how not to respond to controversy 101, exhibit a

[drowsy comet]

[round pendant]

There's a lot of money behind it, it's being shilled by tech ceos as a sort of grift so it has a lot of momentum, especially attractive to the types who want to cut corners and save money

But it's okay, they're all bleeding money

[warm plinth]

I do think AI exists that does really good things. But most of that is not something the average joe or even the average company is using

e.g. the crazy AI tools they've made for cancer screening

[round pendant]

AlphaFold is like the best example

That data set was never getting made by humans, it'd take thousands of years if all the worlds scientists were working on it

[warm plinth]

My company has now implemented their own AI and recently purchased copilot licenses, and everyone thinks they're these insanely crazy tools that can accomplish insane things, but it's just ignorance.

Like recently my boss's boss was like "hey we want to take this rating system we have and I want you to plug it into AI and have it come up with something else" and I'm like...what do you want the something else to be?

Because he thought I could just be like hey make me a new version of this and it was going to come up with some insane thing no one thought of

[round pendant]

neural nets are great at learning and then finding or predicting patterns in data, they're not good at making anything NEW

Nothing that ever comes out of an AI is novel

[solid sun]

It’s raining outside pretty hard

I believe the system is moving in

[warm plinth]

Yeah he gave me no criteria or anything either, so naturally I just described our existing rating system and asked it for some visuals as examples. They were predictably basic and one of them was almost a carbon copy of what we had already.

[round pendant]

Yeah that's how they shill that shit though, act like it's magic and get a nice contract out of it

why do you think all the AIs have lil sparkles as logos

it's LITERALLY magic!

[warm plinth]

He does this though. He makes us use a tool because he thinks the tool is some insane thing inherently

Like, another example is we were doing this project where we were kinda redesigning/reorganizing our assessment checklist. He already had a spreadsheet made for it. He paid for two smartsheet licenses for me and my boss (neither of which know a damn thing about smartsheet) just so we could spend way too long recreating the same thing in smartsheet except it looks worse because we don't know how the fuck to use it

But it HAD to be in smartsheet

[solid sun]

Well duh

Smartsheet sounds way more beneficial than spreadsheet

We want our sheets smart and not spread out

[round pendant]

lmao

[warm plinth]

I even made a version of it in excel that looked way better and even had visuals and shit that took me like an hour. He wouldn't accept it, so instead we spent 3 weeks making this bullshit in smartsheet

[round pendant]

sounds like classic corp shit

[warm plinth]

Which idk if you've ever used smartsheet, but it's TRASH for making things that you would normally make in Excel. It's literally just worse Excel

[round pendant]

I've never heard of it

lmao

[warm plinth]

It's great if you already have a bunch of data and want to make dashboards from that data

It's terrible for actually collecting that data

[solid sun]

“My friend, Damien the CEO, just incorporated smartsheets. I will be needing all of you to also learn smartsheets.”

But it’s worse, boss

“Smartsheets!”

[round pendant]

I'm a believer of that thing where everyone would be better off if every single person got demoted by 1 level

[warm plinth]

Like we even brought in this expert of it to show us and he's going through these insanely complex steps to accomplish something I could do in excel with one click

[round pendant]

Because you get promoted on good performance but then you stagnate because you're bad at the new thing

so everyone gets locked into the job they're the worst at

[warm plinth]

I learned about this phenomenon recently and it makes so much fucking sense.

[round pendant]

That's why there's so many awful managers who've been "managing" forever

[solid sun]

It sounds like the sheets themselves aren’t smart. It’s describing the person creating them having to be smart to create them

But also they have to be dumb because a smart person would just go back to excel

[warm plinth]

Not surprising; it's still in the early adopter program

[round pendant]

Yeah it really explains a lot of things

[warm plinth]

Like basically the back end is a very simplistic "spreadsheet" design, which is NOT intended to showcase final products. But since my boss and I have no idea how to use it, we couldn't make anything presentation-ready, so we ended up just presenting off the back end. It was terrible.

It has a lot of cool reports you can generate or full on dashboards with charts/graphs that are automatically generated, you can send out forms to collect data (we did use that feature), but it's intended to be like...something that showcases KPI metric dashboards and shit like that, not a spreadsheet

[round pendant]

csv is all we need

[warm plinth]

[round pendant]

[warm plinth]

btw, we also would've had a form entry for my spreadsheet via microsoft forms 🙂

But fuck me I guess

I'm clearly still a bit salty about this, sorry

[solid sun]

I still have no idea what to play

[jagged pier]

not wow

[solid sun]

Jakey

[warm plinth]

Rhino pwar ofc

[solid sun]

I thought we were bros

Why you want me to leaf

[round pendant]

I understand

I wish we were allowed emotes in here

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

Jakey do you get to use global emojis at your level

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

Where are the applications for Stormforged

[jagged pier]

[coarse bay]

I want emotes

🙁

[warm plinth]

I think they've added all the ones I typically use at this point

[cerulean tusk]

shieldspike stronk

[jagged pier]

for m+ yer

[cerulean tusk]

imagine vs rogues in PvP, or ferals

[jagged pier]

well guys if u want emote be a cool colour, even tho thats not the reason to be a different colour

[cerulean tusk]

I prefer warrior class colour myself, kinda the whole point of the discord

[toxic pewter]

I been pvping as fury mountain thane and thunder blast is BLASTING dudes

It HURTS them a lot

I swear fury’s version must be hitting harder

[cerulean tusk]

Cause it does

[round pendant]

I wish Quazii just owned it and did better rather than just quitting tbh

[toxic pewter]

He’ll be back

They always come back

[round pendant]

Imagine if there was growth and he said aite we'll rewrite it no vibecoding

and earned respect that way

[cerulean tusk]

ya still on about quazi?

it has been hours

[round pendant]

it'd be so good and would show all the lil gups the way

well no I just brought it up again

[cerulean tusk]

guess WoW content drought has been rough

I am rather more interested in the low triangle between Nome, Jakey and 'The bear*

[round pendant]

uhm

[warm plinth]

Gotta start pressing wrecking throw rotationally

[cerulean tusk]

It aint shieldspike dam tho

Only need to block 6-12 times within 45 sec to get the value from a wrecking throw, shieldspike wins again

[warm plinth]

I am curious if any testing was done incorporating it rotationally

Tooltip-wise, it does more than twice the damage of a regular TC

[cerulean tusk]

Not much needed, no? It is an efficent GCD every 45 sec, but that is the clincher

it is every 45 sec

guess it is just neat minor dam as you spam execute

[warm plinth]

well, rotationally maybe the wrong word. I just mean it might be worth using on CD (in single target) for pure damage contribution

even without a shield

[cerulean tusk]

As long it doesnt push back rage gen doing so, it should be

[toxic pewter]

How much damage does it even do

[cerulean tusk]

14k ish, ss does 6k ish

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[cerulean tusk]

it is just a neat button to have, but this has been known forever

[warm plinth]

Main difference is you are essentially forced to take it now

[cerulean tusk]

Hm?

[warm plinth]

The alternatives are bad

you have to take either that or the berserker shout/fearless node in order to get to armored to the teeth

[cerulean tusk]

I rather take selfhealing increase, intervene, stormbolt or even rally

[warm plinth]

Those aren't options

[cerulean tusk]

They are options, not my fault ya dont use em

[warm plinth]

?

You literally have to pick between one of the two

[cerulean tusk]

fearless is opop

root removal is great

[round pendant]

wrecking throw doesn't seem like it should be compared against tclap

You'd have to compare it against rage spenders since those are what you'd otherwise be pressing

no?

[cerulean tusk]

You can also see it as a gap oppertunity during exe spam

it aint that bad

[warm plinth]

Does it even remove roots? Movement-impairing usually means snares and roots are normally mentioned as roots. And also this is when I'm learning that they apparently took the root/snare removal off of Avatar as well as the rage?

I knew about the rage already but not the other

[round pendant]

wait they took rage from avatar?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Ava no longer generates rage

[round pendant]

I hate wow now

[cerulean tusk]

Like you would notice as prot

[warm plinth]

so you gotta pool at the end of pulls now

[round pendant]

It was nice knowing you guys

[cerulean tusk]

it is over

Yam is gone

[toxic pewter]

Doesn’t remove roots just slows

[cerulean tusk]

Peanutbutter is next

then goes bread

it is all downhill

[warm plinth]

It shouldn't. I was just using it as a way to explain how much damage it did since numbers mean basically nothing

[toxic pewter]

I will say the silence is nice to have

[warm plinth]

Referring to Fearless?

[toxic pewter]

Right

[warm plinth]

Ok that's what I figured

[toxic pewter]

It’s just movement impairing effects

Roots negative I know this 100%

[round pendant]

I like wrecking throw, I heard they gave it a silence or something now?

That's kinda dope

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it silences for 3 sec now

[cerulean tusk]

part of javeliner

[round pendant]

soon we'll be prot pally

[toxic pewter]

My only issue with the new silence is gotta spend two points to get it

[warm plinth]

well, with Javelineer, but that's also basically a mandatory talent

[warm plinth]

Our class tree is kinda shit tbh

[cerulean tusk]

I dont hate it, but there is a lot of dam nodes

this row is demonic

[warm plinth]

They should put wild strikes on the left and 1-hand spec on the right with cruel strikes in the middle

That would be a good change

Wouldn't mean anything right now, but with other changes it would make more sense as you would make cruel strikes something you could maybe put 1 point into instead of 2 if you wanted something else at the bottom

[cerulean tusk]

just make em all 1 points, would allow you to concider things like spear, rally, fear, bolt, interevene, without feeling you lose something

[warm plinth]

@cerulean tusk what did you drop for TaN? Bloodborne?

[cerulean tusk]

TaN?

[warm plinth]

shield spike

[cerulean tusk]

Not even sure, I just filled out the tree, let me look

Ah, I just skipped punish and deepwounds

[round pendant]

also I'm bitter that roar is gone

why did they do that?

[cerulean tusk]

Roar was just annoying AF for fury and arms

[warm plinth]

Because they prefer to keep the shittier of the two active abilities in the bottom of the tree 🙂

[round pendant]

oh no, anyway

put it on the prot tree then

[warm plinth]

Hear me out, they could've just made it a choice node

Spear and roar

[cerulean tusk]

With?

Then you would be forced to take roar

and it is the same all over again

[warm plinth]

Why would they be forced to take it?

[cerulean tusk]

damage

[round pendant]

roar too good ig

[warm plinth]

I mean, we don't know what the damage would've been though?

[cerulean tusk]

As fury is a bleed mod spec

it would make no sense to be in a world where it aint worth

[warm plinth]

so why would fury hate roar?

[cerulean tusk]

It is clunky in the opener

Simple as that

[warm plinth]

Do they just not take spear? Because it seems like that'd be even clunkier lol

[cerulean tusk]

Spear was ignored forever, yep

even when it did more dam

[round pendant]

I can't say I ever felt roar was clunky as fury/arms

[cerulean tusk]

Thats fair, we feel what we feel

[round pendant]

It feels like any other sequence

I don't really remember arms opener tbh

I hate openers where you say, press slice and dice and then have to press something that doesn't benefit from it at all

god I wish I had a functional memory

my brain "well I'm not playing wow anymore, forget literally everything about it"

[cerulean tusk]

demolish is more about the deep wounds dam portion, than the actual dam

neat...

[warm plinth]

Maybe it's just making room for useful information

[drowsy comet]

imagine this. You wanna learn your role, decide to play a TIMEWALKING dungeon, and the DPS calls you slurs and makes u feel bad T_T bro i know im ass, but im learning xD

[unreal shoal]

So many folks in this game suck as humans. Says more about them than it does about you lol

If youre new, you have an excuse for sucking. There's almost never an excuse to act like the ragebabies

[drowsy comet]

it literally was just an BFA timewalking dungen, since I wanted to see how Prot feels now (tho I played so much VDH/Prot Pala, I kinda lost my Prot Warrior skill and had to learn) but still i dont get why its always DPS that think they know more than you 😄

if it would be an M+ dungeon, I would actually have understand it

[unreal shoal]

People always seem in a mad rush for TW. Might have more luck in an M0 marking it as a learning group?

[drowsy comet]

Probably yea

[cerulean tusk]

spike go burr

[jagged pier]

pull bigger, bigger brrrr

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

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[unreal shoal]

Eeeeep

[coarse bay]

Wow

[round pendant]

uhm

[drowsy comet]

O_o

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[drowsy comet]

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, I thought shieldspikes was strong

bloody hell

[jagged pier]

eurgh bdk

[near pewter]

Is there a way to track the amount of the shield for ignore pain in the CDM? i only see stacks on the icon, but I can't tell what that is to?

[jagged pier]

u cant do it with the CDM but at 100 stacks its at max so 67000

[strong forum]

👀

[toxic pewter]

I’m down to play tough as nails