protection

[lusty grotto]

welp ill see it when midnight releases ig

[jagged pier]

i mean its in prepatch

[undone beacon]

Our guild had the choice between dracthyr, mechagnomes, and niffen

We did mechagnomes because I want more stuff for my horrid goblin lab

and nobody else really had a strong opinion lol

[lusty grotto]

💯

[jagged pier]

wait endeavours have started now?

[lusty grotto]

i cant wait to see the new changes to the lab

[undone beacon]

Yeah they started with prepatch

[outer willow]

Yea Nim thanks! It’s really a comfort thing.

Idk why, but it always has been

[undone beacon]

:D

[outer willow]

Also endeavors are sick as hell.

[outer willow]

You work towards the common goal as a neighborhood right?

[undone beacon]

Yep

[outer willow]

And peep the activity tracker on the right

Love that

[undone beacon]

Each task you do contributes both to your personal house xp and the endeavor progress

[outer willow]

Although it’s all you

[undone beacon]

I'm the only work from home nerd in my guild

[outer willow]

You’re carrying the entire hood

[undone beacon]

They'll get on and carry their weight later or I'll beat them up

[outer willow]

As is tradition

[undone beacon]

But theres stuff to do all around the neighborhood, as well as in the content relating to the folks of that endeavor

So for mechagon, stuff on mechagon isle

Plus the generic "do raids/m+/pvp/wqs" so your non-housing peeps can still contribute

[toxic pewter]

wtf is an edeavor

[pulsar wedge]

its like a delve i think for housing

pointless and dumb as it gives zero gear

[toxic pewter]

oh wow i just found the endeavor screen

[mighty valley]

it's prepatch, gear is pointless and dumb

[toxic pewter]

im doin all the pvp stuff for endeavor

whats a community coupon

[pulsar wedge]

where do u access it

[toxic pewter]

hit h for housing and then click endeavors at the top

[pulsar wedge]

thanks mate

[toxic pewter]

anyone know what coupon is

[undone beacon]

Coupons are used to buy the endeavor decor

[toxic pewter]

ok interesting

[toxic pewter]

i havent been home in over a month

i am not creative enough for it

[stuck coral]

hello mate, some1 have an alternative for replace this ToLD trinkets tracker WA?

https://wago.io/3VXuiahTx

[coarse bay]

Arcui has an option to track trinkets, but you wont find anything that tells you “use trinket” or whatever like some of the weakauras did

[stuck coral]

tyvm mate

[undone beacon]

Thing's I've learned about endeavors so far:
-Repeatable Tasks have diminishing returns

[round pendant]

Just looking at every streamer fucking around with vibe coded replacements for WA packs

what a sad state of affairs

"Does this feature just not work?"

[jagged pier]

but like thats just not gunna work the reason why WAs were so good was because reading the combatlog nothing can do that anymore

i swear ppl really dont pay attention

[round pendant]

Oh god I never even thought about trinkets

[lusty grotto]

trinkets arent an issue

[round pendant]

Well they will be if they introduce things like tome in future

as it's borderline impossible and annoying to use effectively without conditional tracking

[jagged pier]

then we pray they dont

[round pendant]

yeah that's why I'm "oh god" about it

or is every trinket just gonna be a press on CD kinda thing from now on

or passive

[lusty grotto]

i mean its incredibly obvious they wont do shit like that anymore

yea

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

Yeah, which sucks imo not that there was many example of more complex trinkets

but I always felt there was room for more interesting trinkets

[coarse bay]

They love tuning the stat sticks the highest

[lusty grotto]

well technically tome is the most complex one i remember

the rest were whatever

does a proc, gives you stats, thats about it

[mighty valley]

idk to me it's always been goofy that there's so much complexity in one item slot called "trinket"

[round pendant]

I like trinkets but they didn't do enough with em

but it's not surprising

not like they were ever gonna create ui elements for specific trinkets

[mighty valley]

the talisman of ephemeral power has so much to answer for

[lusty grotto]

lol

[round pendant]

I'll miss WA just for the convenience of being able to easily throw stuff together

and put arbitrary info wherever I wanted

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

[jagged pier]

u can do that with other addons

[round pendant]

now I have to get some slop addon and hope it has the functionality that I want, or code my own

[coarse bay]

No but they should at least include trinkets and potions in cd manager imo

[round pendant]

Those aren't there?

[lusty grotto]

also true

[coarse bay]

No, needs addons

[round pendant]

Jesus christ

[coarse bay]

I actually expected cd manager to come a lot further with how much time theyve had, but ive been incredibly let down

So little customization

[winged kindle]

Hi everyone, I renewed the subscription today. I’m wondering, any site/guides where to get a decent build ?

[coarse bay]

They saw that addons could fix the deficiency’s and gave up like before i bet

[coarse bay]

Wowhead and/or icyveins

[winged kindle]

( considering the today changes ofc )

[lusty grotto]

wowhead

[winged kindle]

They have stuff updated for 12.0 ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[coarse bay]

Yes sir

[winged kindle]

Ty 🫶🏻

[round pendant]

yeah idk

classic blizzard half assing everything

WA was good cause I could just do basically anything to my UI without having to dig through a settings menu and hope the addon I use implements the functionality I want in the way that I want it

[coarse bay]

Like they have seen and know what people like to do with ui. If they care about reducing addon usage, let us customize it?

[round pendant]

the flexibility (even excluding conditional stuff) was just too good

so sad

[coarse bay]

Let us move things around and make them look good, give us skins

[round pendant]

yeah I mean just look at the dps meter

They got like 10% to parity and then called it quits

[solid sun]

If you believe in yourself you’ll always be top dps

I don’t need a meter to believe I’m number 1

Or logs and data

[shrewd bronze]

Was checking the recommended talent builds by nomeratur on wowhead

Why do we have rend?

(For single target)

You need rend to rend through thunderclap?

[undone beacon]

Yes

[shrewd bronze]

Wild, but makes sense

Thanks!

[undone beacon]

Rend only Rends with TC if you have Rend talented

Yessir

[solid sun]

Yeh like you need heat seeking technology for missiles to seek heat

Rend is our heat seeking technology

[shrewd bronze]

Yeah I thought about it only after I typed the question out lmao

[mighty valley]

Just in case you didn't have the followup thought, you never need to have the actual rend button on your bars

[shrewd bronze]

Nono that I know, that's mostly what prompted the question haha

Now I realize

We probably did have rend talented before

And I just forgot

[undone beacon]

We did!

Its all good, very forgettable

[shrewd bronze]

Oh we don't seem to have points for rally

[lusty grotto]

rally sucks disregard, read below

[undone beacon]

We'll get more class points by 90 if you really want it

[lusty grotto]

and you really do not need it in prepatch yea

[shrewd bronze]

Aye I guess we won't need for prepatch tuning anyway

True

[lusty grotto]

scratch that i forgot they fixed rally

in group settings

it does not suck

[round pendant]

they made rally good?

[lusty grotto]

but still not needed in prepatch

[round pendant]

I mean

[lusty grotto]

yeah it got the darkness treatment

[round pendant]

nothing ever matters in prepatch

HOLY

[lusty grotto]

kind of

as in its better in groups

its 50% more hp in a group

vs 10% in raid

it only took them 2 expansions

LOL

[mighty valley]

we'll def be able to afford rally when midnight actually drops

lotta points in the middle of the tree

[round pendant]

I saved lots of people with rally

literally dozens!

[lusty grotto]

im very clearly NOT procrastinating logging into WoW

i refueled my dune base too!

and did all bf6 weeklies yesterday

and was finishing up my new palworld raid army

[round pendant]

is this just me

[coarse bay]

Sounds like someone’s having a good gaming experience at least

[round pendant]

or does wowhead literally not have icons on these

[coarse bay]

A lot of wowhead stuff seems bugged

With talents

[round pendant]

where the fuck is rally

[strong forum]

based

[round pendant]

Isn't it 15% now? (10% increased by 50%)

I read this as 50% max hp

[strong forum]

correct

[round pendant]

and was like holy

[lusty grotto]

search bar

middle of the tree

[strong forum]

theres not supposed to be icons on those lol

[round pendant]

yeah I found it

[round pendant]

what the fuck WHY

[strong forum]

?

cuz it gives you the same information

[wicked pollen]

nome

[strong forum]

its a cheat sheet

[wicked pollen]

do i play colossuy or clappa

[strong forum]

colossus

(i have no idea which is TRULY better numbers wise)

[wicked pollen]

W

[round pendant]

Pretty sure the cheat sheet section used to have icons

[strong forum]

yeah

used to

now is all new and shiny

[round pendant]

And so it seems like a change made entirely for aesthetics

[strong forum]

many of those cases on recent update yeah

many many purely cosmetic changes

[round pendant]

so if I want to see if a build takes X talent I have to remember where it is or click an extra link to the calculator page

wack

oh well

[lusty grotto]

i dont remember the icons

[strong forum]

L bozo

[round pendant]

better than icy veins at least

icy veins makes my browser freak out

[lusty grotto]

weird

what are you using

runs fine on librewolf and ff

[mighty valley]

yeah, if it gave 100 extra max hp before, it gives 150 hp now. 50% more

(in groups)

[round pendant]

yea I get it

[round pendant]

ff

quoted the wrong thing but you get me

[mental shoal]

Is there an option for a sound alert when IP is fading?

[lusty grotto]

IP is not that important

it never needed it

but to answer your question, no

[mental shoal]

xD ok thanks ^^

[harsh trellis]

Appreciate you updating the Strings

thank you

[toxic pewter]

there is some new audio settings in the main menu

used it in pvp and it like called my target and their hp

and stuff

[lusty grotto]

right but specifically as something is fading... not quite

[sinful copper]

There's nothing that blizz made that replaces custom alerts from WA right?

[coarse bay]

Define custom alerts

[lusty grotto]

whatever is available with the CDM

[toxic pewter]

it tells me if i got aggro too lol

actually kinda cool

[harsh trellis]

What is CDM???

[lusty grotto]

cooldown manager

[coarse bay]

Cooldown manager

[sinful copper]

Something popping up when I have shield charge ready, or when my rage gets to 70, or when I have shield block charges, or when my battle scarred veteran procced already

[harsh trellis]

is this replacing weak auras?

Im out of the loop

[lusty grotto]

uh

[coarse bay]

I believe they added something for things coming off cd

[lusty grotto]

not replacing them no

WAs are gone

its just the next best thing

[coarse bay]

In accessibility, id take a look

[lusty grotto]

and its specifically from Blizz

there's nothing else

[sinful copper]

Oh ok I'll check. I like when things glow when they've come back up too. Just way less customization now. Not terrible, but just needs getting used to

[coarse bay]

Nothing for rage over 70, but with some resource addons you can have breakpoints that change colors

There’s some stuff you can do with addons, its still all pretty new so youll have to dig into it all yourself

[sinful copper]

I need resource add-ons now ...? Blizzard made or from 3rd party?

[coarse bay]

3rd party

[sinful copper]

Where can I browse those? Curse forge?

[coarse bay]

Blizzard resource display thing is kinda bad imo

Yes

Sensei class resource is one talked about a lot

[lusty grotto]

cammy, can you check if there is a way to put sounds when something is fading? just to make sure im not incorrect for this question #protection message

[sinful copper]

Ok thx! Also, are keys easier now? Like 18 feels like 16?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[coarse bay]

Very easy in comparison

[lusty grotto]

since they are basically not content

just there to see how your class will play out after the changes

[coarse bay]

Im at work so i cant look, i havent heard anything about it though

[lusty grotto]

ok no worries

[coarse bay]

Ik that there were accessibility things for announcing things coming off cd, but i dont think they added buffs/debuffs fading

[lusty grotto]

yeah that was my understanding

[coarse bay]

From just googling i dont see it mentioned that they did it, just people pointing out that it’s missing. All posts from like November

[hardy snow]

how the f*ck can i track tome of light now?

[lusty grotto]

you cant

good luck, have fun

[hardy snow]

[undone beacon]

You can track it on its way to the trashcan

[coarse bay]

Arcui, and maybe other cdm addons can

Not built into base game, because blizzard

Addons dont provide an advantage btw

[tribal wharf]

my take is addons yes

but dbm, atlas loot, uhm dps meter (ur choice), keys related ones (timer, routes, score/misc), and like a couple other really really simple ones

there should be a blizzard one you can use, even if its crap

and record gameplay would be great as well

no addons that "play the game for you"

then, unless you are activating 4k rtx on a gtx 980

there is no possible way the game can lag out

latency or memory related gpu frame rate ways

both same time problem gone

i think i would wager anybody who takes the game any kind of serious at all, i think 90% + install recount or some other dps meter

[solid sun]

Only thing I’m going to track is how many friends I make along the way

[lusty grotto]

and dn

[noble wagon]

can i not have shield block or ignore pain as a resource bar anymore?

[lusty grotto]

yes

you can, its an option

[noble wagon]

where is it?

[jagged pier]

in the CD manager

[noble wagon]

aaah i'm used to them as bars. i guess can't do that anymore

[lusty grotto]

you can

just look harder

[noble wagon]

aaah come on i can't find it

[lusty grotto]

im not in game atm so cant really put a screenie

[untold tangle]

Just open de cd manager and drag it to the bars section

[wooden spruce]

TL;DR need your honest and serious opinion

This is something i already asked on the bdk and ppally discord but i want different takes

so, for people that have played the beta and seen the changes on live, what are your takes on the class? I cant decide what to main as tank but because i'm going back to college for my 2nd degree I will have time to main 1 toon so ppally, pwarr and bdk are the ones i like the most. I've mained warr and dk since ever (started in vanilla) and pally as main only classic tbc and S3 tww because it was a blast in manaforge/m+ being a support tank

So, why should i main pwarr, let me know your opinion about this and how you feel with the changes/foreseeable future (and yes, zug zug and i'll also test by myself this till the expac launches)

[lusty grotto]

just play what youre most familiar with

if you pick a class based on opinions that youre not familiar with, and it gets dunked down in a nerf, youre gonna have a horrible time

vs if you play something youre familiar with, that gets dunked with a nerf, youre more likely not gonna feel as bad or have a horrible time

thats why we one tricks dont really give a shit

SL S1 being the exception but that was an easy unsub

[cerulean tusk]

I would honestly wait till closer to launch, like the same week. Then ask the same question if you havent found your preference as of yet.

Until then, just chill and try all the specs, and see what you vibe the most with and play that.

Alternatively, as for many, you will be playing the tank the guild requires you to pick for role slots.

[lusty grotto]

im personally not gonna try to sell you the class

we're not marketing for prot warrior here tbh

i would charge for that

blizzard, not players lol

[mighty valley]

the fundamentals of prot warrior haven't changed in a million years and aren't looking to any time soon

[lusty grotto]

but yeah funky also has good points

[toxic pewter]

This is what you do. Set an alarm right now for tomorrow at 3:30 am. Wake up and immediately ask yourself: “which tank should I play?” The first tank that comes into your mind is the one you will play. Good luck. This works every time. 60% of the time, it works every time.

[mighty valley]

so you can get most of the info now on whether you enjoy it or not. but if meta strength matters to you then yeah, make a call way later

[wooden spruce]

oh im the MT of my guild (also gm) so thats that

yeah i think i'll wait; reason i changed from pwarr in TWW was because a lot of drama happened and as i was maining my warrior that kinda made me not want to play with it, thats why i rerolled to ppally

another factor is that i like to do arenas and so far i enjoyed UHdk the most>ret>Fury

But the toon i have spent most time on and unlocked most things like garrison, shadowlands crap, professions, achieves (i know most are account shared) is my warr

I'll wait a couple of weeks to see what happens

[toxic pewter]

Arms warrior best PvP spec

[lusty grotto]

none of that matters, if you want a guaranteed fun time just play what youre most familiar with

[toxic pewter]

I killed no less than three fury warriors today alone

Unholy dk no joke right now tho that spec is wild

[lusty grotto]

thinking about the what ifs is just anxiety

if anything wait a bit, then make a selection

but really really think that if you only have ONE pick you should stick with whatever youre most familiar with and thats that

[wooden spruce]

yeh, time to wait and see

[hardy snow]

these new deep wounds aint bad

[strong forum]

Health moves on other tanks. Doesn't move on pwar.

Also leap and charge. Other tanks are wheelchair

That's all you need

[strong forum]

Demolish is so sad

It should be top dmg and not below fucking AUTO ATTACK

[lusty grotto]

lmao

yeah thats certainly damage of all time

[hardy snow]

its from fractilus

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter where it's from

Demolish should NOT be anywhere but top 2

[hardy snow]

but i was having issues with demolish not being used despite pressing button over whole raid

[strong forum]

In any scenario

[hardy snow]

dunno if my shitty ui or bad fingers

didnt have such issues back in S2

[strong forum]

Shitty fingers and bad UI

Or shitty bad ui fingers

[undone beacon]

I'll shitty bad ur ui fingers

sorry

[strong forum]

Take me out to dinner first

[tribal wharf]

im too lazy to find my image of the x4.00 scale old pointer hand

before they made those HD

that old icon or whatever it was looked horrendous at 4x

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ringing-eating-restaurants-near-me-gif-9157660

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr best auto attacker in the game

Can just stand there auto attacking and shield slamming and do like 80% of possible damage

Easier than one button even

[lusty grotto]

ret would have liked a word before prepatch

but you right cause crusading didnt benefit from Windfury

[coarse bay]

And fdk before and currently

Or i guess autos didnt do the damage itself

[dense lion]

Coughs in VDH...cries at losing The Hunt

[errant oyster]

is there a way to show ignore pain so i can track the duration and the % with the cd manager? Luxthos warrior ui was kinda bis with the bar growing to show absorb amount

[solid sun]

#protection message

Kinda look at that convo from earlier

[errant oyster]

ty

yeah i mean ill just use icon and show stacks/duration for now, would like to track it for practice regardless of how easy prepatch is rn but w/e

[lusty grotto]

just remember IP is not that important to track, so youre not missing much

[coarse bay]

Tbf for most players, hunt was a detriment. And a lot of players just used it and cancelled it

[dense lion]

How was getting immediate Aldrachi procs a detriment? It was my favorite button

[coarse bay]

Using it to charge into a pack

Theres so many memes, and its mostly because of the hunt

[lusty grotto]

uhh

i mean i get the on demand glaive

but if souls economy is tuned well, i dont think it'll be a deal

a big deal*

[coarse bay]

Like the most common use of it in s2 was to cast it and cancel it with retreat or leap

[lusty grotto]

and dying on workshop

[coarse bay]

Unless already in combat, obv u had resets because of tier

[lusty grotto]

c:

[coarse bay]

For an average player, it caused a high risk of death. Mind you, i dont really blame hunt itself, but it had downsides

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i do agree with cammy, i dont think the hunt ever felt good to press by itself

[dense lion]

I mean. The Hunt did literally nothing Leap doesn't do right now lmao. At least in Midnight we don't have to worry about building Frality

[lusty grotto]

leap didnt kill you

by itself

LOL

its literally not the same

[dense lion]

Leaping into a pack w/o spikes and/or building Frality can though. At most - Hunt can get dicey on bosses like Mechagon but even then you can absolutely leap and backflip off edges to.

It's 100% the same. Bad players will be bad

[lusty grotto]

youre talking about 2 different things

[dense lion]

What about Hunt kills you that's not being in a pack w/ zero mitigation or getting yeeted off an ledge?

B/c that's what I thought this was

[lusty grotto]

infernal strike = leap

hunt is something else

[dense lion]

Yes?

[lusty grotto]

did you ever do workshop

last boss?

doesnt really seem like you know what im talking about

king mechagon?

did you press hunt on it?

[dense lion]

Did you not read my message expressly pointing that out my man?

[lusty grotto]

yes i did

but its not even the same thing lmao

[dense lion]

Okay. It is...but okay

[lusty grotto]

can you think of an example

[coarse bay]

I dont know why blizzard got rid of it for vdh, but it was often a problematic ability and blizzard sucks at fixing things

[lusty grotto]

cause what the fuck are you gonna do? use your reticle on a cliff?

on leap or strike?

lmao

[dense lion]

I've seen people leap and backflip off ledges. 100% have seen it done especially on a fight like Dimi where the stage is tight

[lusty grotto]

nobody is talking about retreat

you equated leap with the hunt

that's what we're talking about

[dense lion]

Two ways the Hunt kills people:

1. It yeets you off something
2. You're in a pack w/ no mitgation.

The FIRST THING someone said was being in a pack w/ no mitigation - which can happen with nearly every tank - and then you talked about ledges and I pointed out similar abilities that can do the same thing.

You're just being argumentative for no reason.

[lusty grotto]

i was the one that mentioned mechagon lol

im pretty sure im not talking about not having mit

[dense lion]

And I addressed that and added more as that's how conversations work. Again...you're arguing nothing for no reason and now we're in more of a circle than my sigils.

[coarse bay]

I was never trying to compare hunt to anything, I simply pointed out that the hunt caused a lot of frustration for people. Yes, bad players will be bad

[lusty grotto]

also theres a huge difference with leaping vs using the hunt

one has you facing mobs

where you can self adjust and recover, if you have a pulse

vs infernal strike/leap in the middle of the pack

just opening the player up for back hits

[coarse bay]

Tbh i havent been keeping up on vdh and forgot that they got rid of it

[lusty grotto]

but either way, its irrelevant, any gap closer will kill you without mit up

charge, fucking pally horse, whatever

[dense lion]

Well anywho. The prime reason I'm here was to ask why no Wowhead build suggested new Spear. Really surprised to not see it in M+ especially when the talent for increased damage was taken

[lusty grotto]

tldr its prepatch and you want the points elsewhere

it might change when we are max level

[solid sun]

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/tiffany-pollard-came-here-to-be-uncomfortable-fight-sassy-gif-16458794

[solid sun]

Well you better get comfy

We got all kinds of cozy seats around here

[coarse bay]

[orchid mural]

Brothers, super struggling right now.

All i want to do is change the colour of the in game Cooldown manager buff-tracker bars.

so that this:

turns into these colours:

anyone know which addon can do that? tried a few like arcui and bettercooldownmanager, but .. well. im stressed.

[violet viper]

what ability actively increases shield block uptime?

[strong forum]

Heavy repercussion

And shield charge

[strong forum]

I'm afraid you'll need addons for that like elvui or unhalted ui

[delicate badge]

any chance we can see ignore pain shield value?

[orchid mural]

understood, would you by chance know of one that is not complicated?

[strong forum]

Nope

Soz

[violet viper]

thank you,

[strong forum]

Weakauras were the easy solution

Now you have to deal with vibe ai coded garbage for a while

!

[round pendant]

Forever, actually

[round cliff]

which of the new addons are actually vibecoded garbage

ill avoid em if ur being literal

wait wtf why is nome brown

[lusty grotto]

its just rumored

but both danders and neph ui apparently

[round cliff]

haven't heard of em so im gonna hope im safe

[lusty grotto]

but again its just rumors

[round cliff]

rumors are made to be fully believed at face value

i wish nothing but the worst upon dander and neph

[lusty grotto]

well youre gonna hear a lot from them

cause there's drama between them

and also because their stuff just works

and some of it is replacing other established addons such as elvui

[round cliff]

i planned to spend tonight copying luxthos' new ui it looked nice

idk if he uses either in his setup

[lavish oracle]

I can't actually tell if my avatar uptime is lower or not with worse anger management now that we have thunder blast extension, feels about the same overall

[lusty grotto]

it used to be around 45s on optimal play

so if its around that, lets say 50s on average, then yeah the changes didnt impact it as much

[round cliff]

how's pwar damage with the new apex? if you get lucky enough to tblast shield slam tblast shield slam

ig that's a beta question

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, ~45s left on the cool down is about right for right now, so I guess its net neutral

[lusty grotto]

yeah we dont have numbers

accurate ones at least

[lavish oracle]

Might be worse once we get end game stats taken away

[round cliff]

how's it feel for the soul tho

[lusty grotto]

can play with simc beta but yeah we dont really care until the content is relevant

[lavish oracle]

I think I like shorter more frequent CDs better than longer, stronger ones, personally

[round cliff]

the apex is always isn't it

[lusty grotto]

we realistically never had "longer stronger" ones

since anger management was introduced at least

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, that's part of why I like Warrior 😄

[lusty grotto]

as per feelcraft, 🤷‍♂️

feelings dont matter

[round cliff]

my thoughts care about ur feelings

[lusty grotto]

i dont have feelings

im a one trick pony warrior

feelings dont exist

only anger

[lavish oracle]

I'll sac 5% DPS for the class to feel good, idk

[round cliff]

do the default frames not have color coding based on threat btw

or am i stupid

[lavish oracle]

Not that it doesn't feel good right now

[round cliff]

nameplates not frames

[lavish oracle]

Feels fine

[round cliff]

also whos the new wowhead writer

do i trust him

[lusty grotto]

nome is covering prepatch

so we'll cross that bridge when we get there

[round cliff]

the prepatch guide is written by pumps

according to wowhead

[lusty grotto]

the talents were done by nome

[round cliff]

ic

[lusty grotto]

idk about a guide, i dont read those

but i guess i could go over it and check

[round cliff]

i have to admit tho, unrelated to anything
everything working in edit mode instead of having to go /wa and tweak things there

is so much better

id be willing to sacrifice WAs just for this alone

[round cliff]

theres nothing much really in it

[lusty grotto]

im guessing hes doing the interim thing

either way its prepatch so it really doesnt matter heh

[round cliff]

i figured him writing the prepatch guide meant he'd be our new writer

plus he's sitting in the server rn... watching us

[lavish oracle]

I wish the nameplates were less...bad...

Or at least I could edit them more

[lusty grotto]

if he is then he can clarify, but hes primarily a bear

[round cliff]

id deal with them if i could tell who had aggro and who doesnt

but i dont think i can

speaking of clarifying things

nvm i think i get it but
so i press execute above 60 rage, on up to 6 targets, and revenge below 60 rage on any target count
doesnt that mean that #10 is pointless cuz u always stop at 9 at the latest

[lusty grotto]

uhh

did you not play warrior these past 2 expansions?

[round cliff]

not well

[lusty grotto]

10 is there because of SD

and because you probably dont wanna send a revenge to fish if youre low on rage

outside of free revenge procs

the priority changes based on rage

[round cliff]

what else would u press tho, unless thats just a pool rage moment

i have a bad habit of starving

so i wanna fix it

[lusty grotto]

then stop spamming IP

[round cliff]

so #10 is a sudden death proc execute, if low on rage

[lusty grotto]

theres a lot of IFs

[round cliff]

yea i guess ill just learn them over time

[lusty grotto]

its a prio list after all

[round cliff]

thru osmosis

tho a sudden death proc would get sent as prio #6 over shield slam wouldnt it 🤔

[lusty grotto]

it depends on rage

you send that execute cause you dont wanna overcap with the SS

but ordinarily SS is first and foremost

[round cliff]

im used to just pressing IP here

maybe need to work on that

[lusty grotto]

no, thats accurate

idk why execute is there tbh

[round cliff]

but if ur in execute phase, and if ur about to overcap, and if u dont need the defense value from ip, you send execute? or is that worse for AM

[lusty grotto]

of course you send execute

[round cliff]

IP defensive rage dump, execute offensive rage dump

[lusty grotto]

no

you shouldnt see it that way

because IP is ogcd

so technically youre always burning with IP

except on cleave

[round cliff]

ig you wouldnt want to execute w/ the 3 shield slam procs but at some point u have to make a choice between IP and execute cuz pressing both insta starves u

[lusty grotto]

you almost always pick IP

simply because its offgcd

and in a 2 gcd window you can burn rage while using two rage generators

versus 1 rage generator + 1 rage spender

its just faster rage consumption

and makes the loop go quicker

but..

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-cat-gif-13442248839884771180

[lusty grotto]

in cleave situations

because of heavy handed

you might opt to not prio IP

[round cliff]

isnt there something to be said about not prioing a regular tclap over execute if u have a bit of rage pooled too
because the small amount of rage and small amount of dam isnt always worth

[lusty grotto]

its worth in the long run

rage spending = good

so rage generation = good

[round cliff]

ic

so exeute is just a cleave tool then, not for boss dps

except for sd and low rage and etc

lots of ifs

[lusty grotto]

if heavy handed is talented sure

[round cliff]

it is currently

by me

what abt in single target, when both ss and clap are on cd
do you still play the execute above 60, revenge at 40, execute at 20 thing

[lusty grotto]

plus thats only thane

because of the execute amps

[round cliff]

yea im playing thane rn i shouldve specified

feels easier to brain off with

[lusty grotto]

brain off is doing the prio we've been doing the past several expansions

[solid sun]

It’s funny because you chose what you thought would be brain off but you’re asking a lot of questions which implies your brain is not even a little bit turned off :)

[lusty grotto]

SS/TB > TC > Revenge/Execute (depending on if executable or SD procs)

[round cliff]

i have to finish the download b4 i can brain off

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[round cliff]

so i send execute at 40 rage? even if i can get 2 potential resets out of 2 revenges?

[lusty grotto]

you cant send execute all the time

has to be executable

[round cliff]

well yea i meant in execute

[lusty grotto]

i would send execute, but revenge was buffed... so i dont have a definitive answer

also i dont think that prio is updated for those changes nvm it is

[round pendant]

execute was very fun in s3 peepocute

[round cliff]

im just gonna play colossus and press revenge

tired of thinking

[round pendant]

There's not much to think about

at least in s3

I just executed shit big dam

but nim saying revenge is buffed makes me hesitant to suggest that

[lusty grotto]

nome did an update 2 days ago so

but again it changes nothing, execute is the preferred gcd spender as thane

the biggest problem with prio lists

especially wowhead's

[round pendant]

Arc UI gives strong vibe coded vibes too

[lusty grotto]

is that its hard to do them without splitting them on every decision

rage, target count, etc

decision or condition rather

[round pendant]

just copypaste the apl imo

[lusty grotto]

thats what nome does

[round pendant]

good enough then

[lusty grotto]

but its not as human readable, is my point

[round pendant]

god that response infuriates me

I love reddit

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.

[lusty grotto]

guy hasnt touched brew in his life

and the funny thing is

we only lost 1 button LOL

thank god we lost 1 button! says the redditor with 12 points

[round pendant]

by sheer number of abilities you should have on your bar, sure, prot has a lot

but

the gameplay itself is simple, 80% of the buttons are based on conditions like if you need a defensive or some util

it's so easy

[lusty grotto]

i would othewise agree with bloat being a problem, but his response is ridiculous

[round pendant]

Bloat is bad when you have like fluff abilities that feel like they do nothing

like brew

[lusty grotto]

ehh

[round pendant]

but even then, lots of people loved brew, idk why we had to ruin it for those guys

[lusty grotto]

doing something does not mean that its not bloat

do you miss ravager?

[round pendant]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

ok then

[round pendant]

I hated passive ravager being better than self placed ravager

[lusty grotto]

i mean i didnt have a problem with ravager, but after whirling blade i cant go back

i wouldnt rationally understand why

it makes 0 sense

[round pendant]

I liked that I could macro ravager to place on myself or manually throw it somewhere to help with gathering and pulling things in

[toxic pewter]

Ravager now need to target a mob too so it’s kinda weird in my opinion

[round pendant]

idk how it works now

[toxic pewter]

It must be thrown at a target

[lusty grotto]

thats just a dps loss

[toxic pewter]

No more area reticle

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t say a lot of people liked brew

I’m pretty sure it’s one of the least played specs, pretty consistently

[toxic pewter]

Yeah brew one of the least played specs

[round pendant]

no it's not?

[solid sun]

Yes it is

lol

[toxic pewter]

Monk is bottom three played class if I recall correctly

[lusty grotto]

monk in itself is one of, if not the least played class

[toxic pewter]

Rogue monk and evoker I think

Bottom three if I recall correctly

[round pendant]

brew isn't remotely close to one of the least played SPECS

monk itself is sure one of the least played classes

[solid sun]

One of the things the brew discord talks about is how few people play it

[lusty grotto]

bro if the class is played least

[toxic pewter]

It’s the least played tank that’s for sure

[lusty grotto]

dont you think its logical that

any subset is also lower

[round pendant]

You can look at the graph

[jade hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-graph-nickelback-gif-12683147

[lusty grotto]

what graph

[solid sun]

Where’s Jordan

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I asked ai it’s not in top ten least played specs yam is right

[round pendant]

brew is usually like bottom 10-15 (and the other monk specs way higher in these cases) and last season it was like middle of the road

in terms of m+ participation

[lusty grotto]

https://mythicstats.com/meta

are you sure about that?

and those are in KEYS

imagine in the rest of the game

[round pendant]

I see a nice chunk of brew in there

[lusty grotto]

statistics

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/classes

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/specs

[round pendant]

It'd be more of a % in base content since a huge chunk of m+ players are FOTM players

[toxic pewter]

A lot of situations to account for to be honest, content type, timeframe etc

[lusty grotto]

yeah of course

[toxic pewter]

But historically brew has been generally a lower played spec yea

In my mind I consider survival hunter very low played

And it seems that’s the case

[round pendant]

also, harder specs will have less players

but idk man

even if it's the least played it doesn't justify gutting it when there's tons of easier specs to play already

last season brew beat bdk

[toxic pewter]

Kinda surprised to see holy paladin lowish on that spec list

[round pendant]

probably mainly cause bdk was cheeks

[lusty grotto]

bloat isnt a good thing for any game

[solid sun]

Bloat is bad

[lusty grotto]

bloat does not equal good complexity

[toxic pewter]

I still won’t play brew cuz rushing jade wind annoyed me and sometimes that barrel alternative doesn’t compete lol

[warm plinth]

Good evening. I am awake for some reason.

[solid sun]

Hi

Ghash we need your help

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-heisenberg-jesse-pinkman-hat-gif-27153185

Evening

[warm plinth]

What can I do you for

[round pendant]

What's the general sentiment on the brew changes anyway

[solid sun]

What’s your opinion on bloat

[round pendant]

I don't actually know

I saw a few people complaining about it

[solid sun]

Just in general

[round pendant]

and I AGREED with you that brew has bloat

so idk why we out here arguing

[solid sun]

I’m not arguing I just wanted to point out I didn’t think lots of people liked brew lol

[warm plinth]

Rotational bloat is bad. But having a lot of abilities doesn't automatically = bloat to me

[lusty grotto]

yeah i can agree with that

[warm plinth]

I think flavor abilities are cool

[round pendant]

Classic Ghash being right

[warm plinth]

Like far sight and shit like that

[round pendant]

wtf that's basically what I said

[warm plinth]

I did not play the most recent rendition of brew, but heard it was like spinning plates which is never good

[solid sun]

Ghash said it better

[lusty grotto]

brew had defensive bloat

thats the problem

[solid sun]

I guess Brew having bloat does make a bit of sense though

[lusty grotto]

because at times you needed all of it to maintain survivability

[solid sun]

They’re pandas

[lusty grotto]

except maybe last aseason

[round pendant]

Yeah, brew felt like uhh

you gotta press 5 different buttons to mitigate something whereas a pwar just presses shield wall

that's what I meant by fluff

[lusty grotto]

rotationally, brew was fine

[warm plinth]

But yeah, I think a spec should have like...4 or MAYBE 5 rotational abilities (ideally not using all of them for every target count) and then maybe one or two cooldowns. Not counting utility/interrupt.

[lusty grotto]

so speaking in general, you have to account for both

[round pendant]

I think pwar is like almost perfect for the average player, a little too simple for me but I still really just vibe with the spec so I play it

but not everything has to be equivalent in complexity to that

[warm plinth]

I agree with that. People think it's complex but they really make it complicated when it isn't.

[round pendant]

The game already had a good mishmash of simple and complex specs imo

[warm plinth]

See: all the people who think it's incredibly important to track IP

[toxic pewter]

Honestly ignore pain dynamic seems to confuse the most people

Yes

[lusty grotto]

lots of people today asking how to change their IP tracker

i tried my best to remain civil

[round pendant]

yeah it's wild

[warm plinth]

You could also put the blame on Blizzard there a bit though, because Block is not intuitive, while something that says "absorbs 50% of damage" is

[toxic pewter]

Yep

[round pendant]

yeah that's the thing, specs get a reputation for having complexities or "too many buttons" but so many times it's just some dude who spent 5 minutes looking at wowhead and not actually playing the spec

whereas if you actually just learn pwar it's giga simple

[warm plinth]

Some guide writers do actually make their spec sound like rocket science in their guides

[round pendant]

that's true lmao

[warm plinth]

Like the devastation evoker guide on wowhead is legit like that meme of the lady with all the math symbols around her

Or I should say was like that, idk if it still is

Even though it's a pretty straight forward spec

[lusty grotto]

the DH guides are kind of like that

but not on purpose

they just go into this incredible amount of detail

that is probably not warranted

and just complicates things

[warm plinth]

which I guess is good because it shows they care about the spec, but at the same time, it makes it less approachable for others

[lusty grotto]

yea

[round pendant]

icy veins attempts it, but poorly imo, but guides should have a section explaining the bare minimum

not just the whole rotation with all complexities in your face instantly

[warm plinth]

Yeah, there are guides that are like here's the quick and dirty and here's the more advanced shit, but a lot are one or the other

[lusty grotto]

i think Archi does a good job

[solid sun]

I was gonna play arcane at one point and when I went to the wowhead page it looked like someone was writing a college dissertation

I said nope

[lusty grotto]

at least on the fury and arms guides

he does the balancing act and it comes across as understandable

[warm plinth]

ngl icy-veins is just a fucking eyesore which is why I only use it for leveling guides because I like the level-by-level talent suggestions that wowhead doesn't have

[round pendant]

my favourite guide I've seen is the dreamgrove.gg ones for druid

[lusty grotto]

those are good but they are hard to pick up sometimes for newer players i feel

not as bad as the ones we were mentioning

[round pendant]

Very good at explaining WHY you do things though

[lusty grotto]

oh yea

[round pendant]

which is what I feel is missing from wowhead/icyveins

[warm plinth]

This conversation does go a ways to explaining why people prefer just asking questions in discords though haha

[round pendant]

Goal with the guides should be getting newer players an intuitive understanding of the core part of the spec and then they can expand outwards with optimising their rotations and etc with the advanced pages

[lusty grotto]

yeah, that might be the best approach

[warm plinth]

I think the concept of priority is really tough for newer players

[lusty grotto]

could be

[warm plinth]

idk if newer players is the right thing to say there. For some players is probably better

[round pendant]

I am really bad at learning specs from the prio lists

[warm plinth]

I generally kinda translate priority lists in my head from what they say to what would happen in a real scenario

Like take this fury prio list

[round pendant]

I gotta understand all the moving pieces and why we do X before Y, etc, before it sticks in my brain

[warm plinth]

That's why I sometimes will go take a look at how some players do their rotation like in the log ability timeline

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats just
Execute > RB > BT > WW and maintain enrage

[warm plinth]

If I'm confused, it can help me

[round pendant]

yeah it helps that fury is giga shrimple

[warm plinth]

Right, exactly

but at first glance it looks more complicated than that

Some guides take that to a HUGE extreme

[lusty grotto]

right

[warm plinth]

Like a 30 step priority list that boils down to do this then this then that

Embellishing to make a point ofc

[round pendant]

I gave up learning subtlety cause I'm stoopid

even tho theoretically it's ez

[lusty grotto]

im sure their intention isnt to confuse

but maybe its a wowhead problem, and the way the guides have a template

[warm plinth]

I do think that's the case sometimes

Having a pretty set layout for the guide has to be limiting in some respects

[round pendant]

yeah idk where nome could have put the very important "use HR until you have 21k+ haste" line

in a wowhead article

that would have saved a lot of questions here if that was on there somewhere

[warm plinth]

Here:

But you assume people don't just click "copy link" anyway haha

idk if he had it in there, to be clear, but it's where he COULD have put it

[round pendant]

He wouldn't put it there, that's the fury tree!

[warm plinth]

Oh, while we're on the subject of guides, am I the only one who gets tilted when they have the export build button but not the talent calc link?

like on that builds table

[round pendant]

no, I despise that

[warm plinth]

Like pls put talent calc links here too 😭

first world problems though

[round pendant]

but yeah, back to bloat

After spending forever playing pwar and getting decent (if I may say so myself) at it, it really bugs me when I see people saying it has too many buttons or whatever

and it makes me think, how many people are saying equally silly things about other specs that I know nothing about

Like yeah it has a lot of buttons, but it's significantly easier to play than a lot of other specs that have 1/3rd as many buttons

almost like it's more of a mental barrier to entry rather than the spec actually being bloated

It's like the whole reddit problem, if you go to subreddits for things you actually know a lot about, you'll see the #1 comment on a lot of posts spouting absolute nonsense

[edgy patrol]

whirling blade is surprisingly very fun

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and the second a negative feeling is attached to it, people tend to double down on even the slightest perceived issue.

Even with no real evidence to support it being an issue

Tbh that's a big reason why I did my whole one for every spec thing

It's really cool leveling and gaining the abilities over time and getting to see how they start interacting with each other and talents

[round pendant]

I feel like that's in such a bad state nowadays

Pwar for example is non-functional til like, a decently high level

[warm plinth]

I would agree, though it's better than some other specs because it's balanced well enough that it doesn't need to be fully functional until it is (that has not always been true though)

[round pendant]

I just remember malding about not having tclap or having to use devestate and not having revenge (not that I'd have the rage to use it anyway) for a while

[warm plinth]

Like outlaw rogue feels like utter dogshit for 90% of the leveling process because everything is missing and you're out of energy forever

[round pendant]

I feel like they should just cut off the top like 30% of the tree and make it all baseline

[round pendant]

Yeah it's wild how some of the energy based specs just don't feel like they work til you're somewhat geared at max level

I guess that's all just a downside of the DF trees though

[warm plinth]

For me it's the fact that energy specs are inherently designed to be fast (e.g. 1 sec fixed GCD, self-regenerating resource), so they feel 100000x slower when they aren't fast

My friend informed me how to make oPie work and I'm happy now

[round pendant]

was it just changing the toc file

[ionic fern]

I'm happy that you're happy.

[warm plinth]

yerp

[round pendant]

hackerman

[warm plinth]

strong DK mog tbh

Kidding, it's mine and I put 0 thought into it

[round pendant]

I regretted making my dk an undead

[warm plinth]

Oh?

[round pendant]

they look so frail and tiny

Doesn't really vibe with what my mind imagines them to be

[warm plinth]

I just change my toons at random because I bought a set of 8 faction changes when they were on sale like 2 years ago

I wanna be a dargon DK so I can be a DK that isn't slow

[round pendant]

I really liked rider's horse thingy

but shame it was tied to that specific hero tree

[warm plinth]

FDK is playing rider again this patch so I've gotten to enjoy that a bit

[round pendant]

I feel like it should be core it just makes sense for dks to have that

I can't explain why

[warm plinth]

The other choice on that node is kinda cool too; lets you mount in combat as long as you're outside

Obviously far less useful but still cool

[round pendant]

yea it's neat

[warm plinth]

(only lets you mount on the DK mount though)

my poor 779 warrior with 999 vers is now a baby 102 woyer

[ionic fern]

It's fine,soon you'll replace all your epics with greens again.

[warm plinth]

Or in this case, my greens with greens

[ionic fern]

But better greens.

[warm plinth]

I do like her but probably will level my dorf like I have been

Female kul tiran pretty stronk though

[vestal abyss]

Prot war happy?

[warm plinth]

I'm mad that Avatar doesn't give me rage and that Anger Management got cut in half, but otherwise I'm happy

Nothing much has changed

[ionic fern]

I did not try the Housing thing on alpha/beta/ptr at all, as it was something I felt was 100 percent unnecessary and boring. I tried it yesterday on live server and damn,the nostalgia hit hard with the music + the simple landscapes reminding of early classic leveling.

[vestal abyss]

happy

[ionic fern]

Always.

[vestal abyss]

Considering how mad everybody else this is good

[warm plinth]

I'm not really into housing so I made a storage unit instead

Yeah I was pretty lucky; all 3 of the specs I've played most this expansion thus far are either unchanged or changed for the better

FDK, pwar, and bm hunter

[ionic fern]

I diddn't care for the housing function,but the music and landscape/vibe was heavy nostalgia for me which I did not expect. Bought a house,put a bed in it and went out.

[vestal abyss]

Smart call to not heal

Healers are unhap

Warrior is hap

[warm plinth]

I have a resto shaman that I've done a couple +10s on but I have no real love for healing anyway; it's either mindnumbingly boring or EVERYTHINGISONFIRE

Heard they took a pretty huge hit on available spells though, similar to mage

[round pendant]

yeah my healer friends are fuming

none of us are playing tho it's just death throes

[round pendant]

kirby music instantly popped into my head

[ionic fern]

On the topic of specs not being changed much..this was the most boring/alpha ever due to it.

[warm plinth]

Mwahi be like: replaced Thunderous Roar in prio list with Champion's Spear and clicks submit

[ionic fern]

All the excitement of testing things was non-existent.

[round pendant]

we got "reworked" at the perfect time to still be enjoyable but without the full on brickage of a midnight rework

rework didn't come off cd yet

thankfully

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that was basically FDK too; they got reworked at the perfect time that they just didn't really need much

[ionic fern]

If only spear was good.

[warm plinth]

Though it's a bit awkward that they made breath really nice and now they aren't even using it

[vestal abyss]

I rolled dracthyr so I could use champions spear like ursols vortex and it makes me happy

[round pendant]

my udk one trick friend is mad that udk isn't aoe anymore

[warm plinth]

Champion's Spear was already pretty meh and while it's mildly cool you can do the self-yeet to the spear, it's still pretty meh.

[ionic fern]

I've heard so much good things about Unholy and how it's the best re-design ever.

[vestal abyss]

But fun (:

[round pendant]

I mean he's the kinda player that lives for the big aoe packs

[warm plinth]

so spear is just old spear + leap right? Most of the other shit got removed?

[warm plinth]

I can see why that would catch someone off guard. Going from the giga scaling aoe spec to (presumably) not anymore

[vestal abyss]

Yeah but it's more competitive due to less other options

And fun!

Leaping is dope

You jump into pack and half the enemies are behind you and smack you in the butt

[round pendant]

yeah looking at udk stuff it doesn't seem that bad

bit simple tho

but I don't know much about the spec

more of a frost enjoyer

[warm plinth]

how I know I'm up later than I should be: stormwind's clock tower is clanging 11pm (1am here but my realm is two time zones behind)

[warm plinth]

Sounds incredibly fun, true

[round pendant]

Brilliant

now we too can enjoy the thrill of being a dh

"big pull"

[warm plinth]

3 SEC SEC

HUGE

[ionic fern]

Hugest. The class talent tree point requirements so bad ATM that it forces some weird builds.

Soon fixed with Midnight.

[ionic fern]

I diddn't even know that it actually rings.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's really weirdly laid out now

Me neither, til today

Because when I logged into my timerunner, it had put me right next to it

ngl though it really is going to annoy me that avatar doesn't give rage. Guess I just have to press shield wall on the first pull engagement of every dungeon now lol

Or alternatively shield charge without demo up

[ionic fern]

Yah,it's really wonky.

Gotta keep in mind in m+ to keep some rage for the next pack so you can SB when going in.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, no more dumping everything with Exe

[ionic fern]

I'm a HEAVY abuser of IP. Need to get out of that habit.

[warm plinth]

Don't ignore the pain, take the pain to fuel the RAAAAGE

somethingsomethingzugzugwarrior

I love that Blizz was like we're tired of you guys arguing about BrV/FbV. We're just going to force you to take both of them!

[ionic fern]

"Warriors now gain more rage with increased damage taken".

Classsss fantasy

[warm plinth]

What made you recommend active Ravager over Whirling Blade?

You didn't; icy-veins lied

I swear to god the first time I hovered over it, it said Ravager

[ionic fern]

The FbV location is horrid

[warm plinth]

And then it made a liar out of me

[pallid quiver]

You SHOULD feel frail. Like, my guy, you died twice in character creation.
||I know you're going to comment on me leaving the @ on, Ghash, but this is important||

[warm plinth]

THE RARE LUERCE REPLY PING

[ionic fern]

I think I did for MT.

[pallid quiver]

VITALLY important to bring up the funny fact that Undead DKs die twice before you ever even get in game

[ionic fern]

Lining Ravager up with juicy-juicy TB procs as MT is GIGA damage

[warm plinth]

OH, you did

Wait

Mwahi what is this talent calc they got going on

[ionic fern]

Ravager increases revenge/tc damage by 50%

[warm plinth]

Instead of having like an actual choice flyout for the choice nodes, you just click it and are supposed to somehow know that's going to change the talent XD

That's why I thought it changed to Whirling Blade; I clicked it XD

[ionic fern]

Oh,wtf. Never noticed that before.

😂

[warm plinth]

I blame Ravager and Whirling Blade having the exact same icon

[ionic fern]

What are you going to play in Midnight?

[warm plinth]

But yeah, FbV placement is trash; actually diabolical to force us to take it by making it the only connector to ItF/HR

FDK and prot warrior main and BM hunter alt most likely

FDK for raid though

[pallid quiver]

ghash carry me through raid in midnight, kthx

[warm plinth]

(guild master asked me to do mythic raid next tier and I said yes for some reason)

[ionic fern]

Isn't BM a literal 2 button spec now??

[warm plinth]

I think it actually gained a button depending on what build you were playing

I never swapped to dark ranger and I don't know what they're playing in pre-patch. But I was still playing the multi-shot pack leader build, so I think I lost a button. But if you were playing no multi, I assume that has changed with wild thrash being added

[round pendant]

I don't mind being pinged

I like attention

[warm plinth]

It's just Luerce. He turns off reply pings like 99.8% of the time

[round pendant]

no I should be buff and strong because I tanked 2 deaths

[warm plinth]

He's a far more motivated man than I will ever hope to be, turning that off every single time

[round pendant]

I rarely turn it off unless I'm just bringing something up for context

I @silent people in DMs when they're sleeping tho

[pallid quiver]

dude the real kicker is back in like wotlk days

arthas really saw the idiot who fucked up and died twice and was like, "that's the one, that's my champion"

[warm plinth]

Yeah looks like I am a leg up on the competition because they're playing pack leader with multi-shot (now wild thrash) in keys atm

or well, that's the recommended build on IV anyway

[pallid quiver]

I kinda do want to play Midnight on the current topic, but I'm not really sure if the game will be fun or not. Whenever the non-MMO friend I've been on-off playing WoW classic with hops back onto WoW Classic again, I'll probably veer over to see how pre-patch is

[warm plinth]

Wow, BM doesn't even need a weak aura anymore. You just prio kill command or barbed shot based on which one is closer to reaching 2 charges

Not that it could have a weakaura anyway but you know what I mean

[round pendant]

yeah apparently bm is even more trivial now

[warm plinth]

and you have an extra 1-2 globals for beast cleave too

since wild thrash is 8 sec up from 6

Anyway that's enough dillydallying. I'm gonna be tired for work and then pool league tomorrow night

Gn folks

[round pendant]

sleep tight

[round cliff]

badass evil skeleton

crank your hog

etc

[jagged pier]

[round cliff]

yellow name what did you do to nome to make him retire

[round pendant]

No one did anything to nome

he's just tired, boss

[jagged pier]

Did nothing, he just not playing wow atm and hasnt played since like season 2 mostly and isnt planning on midnight, so no point in orange name

[round pendant]

I still think he deserves a colour

[pallid quiver]

What Jakey means to say is that he strapped Nome to a metal restraint and slowly lowered him above a pool filled with sharks equipped with laser beams until Nome surrendered his orange status

[jagged pier]

But i dont want orange status, i dont have time to do that, so why would i want nome to loose it

[ionic fern]

Jakey is the new tc. Ask him all the stuff

[round pendant]

what a dastardly villain

[vestal abyss]

tc? tool cupboard?

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

You don't have to want something out of it to do villain things

I know you're just in it for the love of the game

[jagged pier]

Why am i seen as a villan

[pallid quiver]

Because being a card carrying villain is fun

[jagged pier]

Im too tired for that

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-john-krasinski-the-office-boredom-exhausted-gif-8222041

[cerulean tusk]

So Jakey betrayed Nome, working on a masterplan over years to take the Orange.

A story about hope, love and... A dark past

Skyhold drama coming to a channel near you!

[neat dune]

nome

killing my dreams

[shrewd rampart]

Anyone who has any idea how to make the bars tracking ignore pain, shield wall etc look better?
they look like shit imo

[errant wagon]

got the closet thing possible to my WA UI

i'm pretty darn happy with it

though tracking seeing red feels far less important now that it can only be spent on shield slam 🤪

[round pendant]

And then he finally gets what he wants and he realises it was never about the yellow at all and now he misses nome and the rivalry they had

stronge

I like this world building we're doing

[cerulean tusk]

The classic
"What have I done?!"

[shrewd rampart]

What did u use to track shield block, wall and ignore pain? Looks very nice

[errant wagon]

Everything (besides the main rage bar) is done through ArcUI. It's the saving grace addon that gets the closest to WA's possible.

So in ArcUI, it will highjack any buff you are tracking in CDM, and allow you to make bars out of them. The customization of the bars is basically the same as old WA bar customization.
So I have 4 bars

1. shield block duration
2. ignore pain duration
3. Ignore pain stack (0-100% range)
4. Seeing red stack (under my rage bar)

and thank you very much! This class is like, impossible for me without this info lol

[round pendant]

IP does not need to be so upfront in your UI

or tracked at all

😔

[errant wagon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's how my brain works

i think it's very important to track, personally

i may be jumping to VDH this season for title meta humping, but I wanted to get this guy setup again just incase it pops back into meta

[shrewd rampart]

Is Arcui a complete overhaul, sort of like elvui?
Because ive setup everything to my liking besides the buff tracker bars

[errant wagon]

No it's not, and I'm in the same boat where I don't like complete overall UIs.

It hijacks the CDM and it is just CDM ++ basically