how are the changes?
#protection
fathom oasis
undone beacon
Servers are still down lmao
solid sun
Why haven’t you experienced them yet
Is there a reason you haven’t logged in yet, Pash?
undone beacon
Simply, waiting with my hands in my lap like a good'm
6PM EST cant wait to log on and see extended to 9PM
solid sun
Is this a major patch
Is this a patch that fundamentally changes things
Interesting it’s such a long downtime
🤔
mighty valley
it's basically all the changes for the expansion, minus the content
solid sun
I was just being silly
undone beacon
smh this is PROT WARRIOR DISCORD
we are serious here
all business all the time you know that rhino
fathom oasis
Servers are still down lmao
lmao rip
thank our 'murrican overlords for betatesting the patch for us every time
undone beacon
got u boo
fathom oasis
smh this is PROT WARRIOR DISCORD
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
toxic pewter
Maintenance prob gonna extend into the night with how many bugs and everything there are. Pack it up and make plans for the evening and plan not to play until Europeans do effectively. salutes
coarse bay
we are serious here
Serious conversations only
coarse bay
Maintenance prob gonna extend into the night with how many bugs and everything t...
Bold of you to assume it wont be released with bugs
toxic pewter
Oh that’s a given
coarse bay
Long maintenance is because charlie and jan are on a california lunch break
toxic pewter
But certain behind the scenes bugs will need to be addressed to even get it live
warm plinth
Good noon
undone beacon
good because i've been shaking and crying nonstop
coarse bay
I never used it, but thank gosh
lusty grotto
good because i've been shaking and crying nonstop
what caused you the stomach ache?
toxic pewter
ill get nome's WA working
how u do that
toxic pewter
sounds like an adventure good luck
solid sun
What if they accidentally on purpose shut down all addon support
solid sun
For about thirty minutes we would have some peak reaction content
lusty grotto
true
toxic pewter
What if they accidentally on purpose shut down all addon support
That's what me and the silent majority of players were actually expecting with all this
blizz just gave into the mob again unfortunately
we dont even want addons anymore
solid sun
You really don’t want any addons?
toxic pewter
No we want to just play the game
but instead blizz relinquished again.. very sad.. many of us are actually very upset about it all
we were basically sold a lie
undone beacon
what caused you the stomach ache?
anxiety from not having nomes WAs
tbh i never used them anyways
I used my own handmade ones that suck but are mine :3
toxic pewter
well maintenance days get me upset ngl
toxic pewter
Must have gotten all his sleepies in last night
u want me to post me sleep chart
toxic pewter
well 21.5 years of this nonsense
lusty grotto
thankfully your life is not only WoW
toxic pewter
the maintenance within continues on strongly
toxic pewter
for midnight their main feature should of been shifting maintenance to LITERALLY MIDNIGHT WHILE THE PEOPLE SLEEP
toxic pewter
i wonder if my pc can even run bf
solid sun
I’m bad at fps games
lusty grotto
there was a free weekend but idk about now
solid sun
Pointing and clicking is difficult
toxic pewter
just want to test it
lusty grotto
use a controller then
solid sun
But then I get auto assist and my friends would make fun of me
I guess I could just make keyboard clicking noises with my mouth
So they don’t realize
lusty grotto
your friends are dumb
its 2026, its perfectly acceptable to use controllers on fps on pc
solid sun
:)
lusty grotto
especially to ragebait me when you trackme inside smokes
solid sun
Medic
lusty grotto
let me see
solid sun
I’m always a medic
toxic pewter
medic hell yea
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
top is assault, right is engi, bottom is recon
lusty grotto
recon is OP for redsec
toxic pewter
wats redsec
lusty grotto
yes... like in all other BFs
toxic pewter
been long time since i played bf i sort of forgot
lusty grotto
apb has said he has
lusty grotto
sure ig
lusty grotto
og cod was great
solid sun
Is Medal of Honor still around
fathom oasis
are the servers up now?
toxic pewter
nah they down all day
fathom oasis
i thought it was 3pm est
undone beacon
wow shit is based out of pst
tribal wharf
doesnt work
undone beacon
blizz is in cali
fathom oasis
rip
there was some drama, too, about certain servers moving from center us to west coast i think?
tribal wharf
cuz i'd probably be playing 2042 if it wasnt for SB
thats a new game i sort of enjoy, bf almost always good
fathom oasis
for the tbc realms
undone beacon
there was some drama, too, about certain servers moving from center us to west c...
Its less about where the data centers are and more about blizz development being on PST for this kind of thing
fathom oasis
ye ye ofc
undone beacon
The location of the data centers does affect things like connectivity and ping though
Which is why ppl got miffed
fathom oasis
but this is a bit of adding insult to injury, or however the saying goes
fathom oasis
nim
what is your problem
i'm excited about hearing how the changes are from people who were (in my mind) going to be playing today
solid sun
This is what the weakauras devs want
They’re pitting us against one another
Don’t let them win!
solid sun
I think he typed it with a smile on his face tbh
Like a little rib
Ribbing you real good
Mice are not mean animals
You’re already feeling better aren’t ya
Can’t look at that gif and not feel good
coarse bay
Ill drive down to blizzard and ask John Blizzard himself to hurry
tribal wharf
i hope they are making some form of new simpsons game
2026 27 version
ps2 version was good enough
fathom oasis
it was the gta before gta was cool
coarse bay
Gta was always cool
fathom oasis
just checking and vice city actually came out earlier than hit & run
i played the latter before the former though
fathom oasis
I'm guessing GTA was pretty big in the US since GTA III? Vice City was the one that really broke our markets though
toxic pewter
yah from 1991
the simpsons beat em up
one of the best games ever made tbh
imo
so nostalgic
lusty grotto
yeah i spent plenty of quarters on it
and lasted a while
even after arcades pretty much died
toxic pewter
yep
lusty grotto
you can still find it in bars and shit
toxic pewter
actually want to play it now
fathom oasis
the simpsons beat em up
ah, i don't think we had that one where i live
toxic pewter
apparently konami made it
fathom oasis
most of our arcades were either the metal slug games (banger), or stuff like puzzle bubble/pang or a mix of them
toxic pewter
dang i used to play metal slug all the time at this hockey rink I would go to
such a great series
mighty valley
all my scotland friends were big on GTA since 1
3 was a big fucking deal
"it's gta. but in three dimensions. gonna blow your mind"
warm plinth
I played the shit out of 1 and 2 but didn't play 3. Then played a ton of vice city and haven't touched the series since
fathom oasis
i remember hiding from my parents while playing vice city lol
toxic pewter
I played the shit out of 1 and 2 but didn't play 3. Then played a ton of vice c...
u gotta come back for gta 6 every1 is coming back
warm plinth
Gta 6 is never releasing
fathom oasis
i actually got this sent to me today lol
fathom oasis
Gta was always cool
you're absolutely right actually
solid sun
I can’t play gta 6
I’ll be too busy becoming a high key content creator with the key squad
Gonna go pro and make billions of dollarbucks
lusty grotto
you can do both
fathom oasis
I’ll be too busy becoming a high key content creator with the key squad
send link when you start it
i'll watch your progress faithfully
solid sun
lol
I think Ghash already streams so he’d be the perfect candidate to document our shenanigans
We’re just a couple hours away from the gates being opened
pallid quiver
Idk
see, this is why you won't become a high key content creator
a real high key content creator would keep gta 6 open in the background and swap to it every single possible chance; between dungeons, anytime you die, when you decide to int the group, etc
toxic pewter
who here rready for a maintenance extension
toxic pewter
im f5'in x as we type
lusty grotto
like i mentioned ill play tomorrow
solid sun
see, this is why you won't become a high key content creator
a real high key c...
I’m going to do that with fighting games
toxic pewter
who could of known
jeeze
2 hour extension
thats wild
already typing up my strongly-toned email demanding my pro-rated refund.
coarse bay
Yup, I did manage to talk to John Blizzard earlier
Scheduled the completion for when i get home, sorry team
round pendant
I feel like I'm gonna cave and play midnight evne though I don't really want to out of principle
because I just want to hang out with my friends
warm plinth
I think Ghash already streams so he’d be the perfect candidate to document our s...
I will 100% stream our hijinks
warm plinth
because I just want to hang out with my friends
Play NA with us!
solid sun
Yeah we are your real friends
pallid quiver
I will 100% stream our hijinks
can confirm, he streamed me throwing every key
warm plinth
I stream on Twitch, yes. I haven't in a while because I was on a break
toxic pewter
nice
round pendant
Play NA with us!
nyo
warm plinth
smh my head
solid sun
Smh my DAMN head
warm plinth
smhmdh
round pendant
god
I love how I have to give blizzard money to find out if I want to give them money
prepatch should be free
Watching someone do one of the new dungeons on +15 and it looks incredibly dull
How do they make banger dungeons like floodgate and then like a year later.. this?
I'm DOOMING
fathom oasis
prepatch should be free
you mean PTR or the fact that you need to be subbed?
fathom oasis
so the 2nd
round pendant
I never play ptr, do you have to be subbed for ptr?
round pendant
did they change m+ scaling for midnight?
Why is this +15 I'm watching looking so trivial
and boring
warm plinth
Changed how? The base damage/health of mobs will be relatively higher (after accounting for the squish) of course, but the per key level scaling probably hasn't changed
They probably have vendor gear intended for testing
round pendant
how strong is vendor gear relative to retail max ilvl
I don't think being overgeared makes it that uninteresting
each pack had like 0.5 mechanics
Maybe magister's terrace just sucks?
hardy snow
How do they make banger dungeons like floodgate and then like a year later.. thi...
you know you can compare floodgate to some of other TWW dungeons and you will have same diff, one is cool, one is bad 🤷♂️
warm plinth
Yeah, look at City of Threads 
round pendant
Can't say any of them felt like literally nothing was going on though
CoT was awful tbf
toxic pewter
tww very forgettable dungeons unfortunately not even really stands out for me
autumn plinth
I thought stonevault was pretty good tbf
warm plinth
Floodgate was definitely one of the best they've released overall, but the dungeon pool overall was pretty mid
hardy snow
dawn is memorable not because of flying, but because of bugs lol
coarse bay
I thought stonevault was pretty good tbf
Stonevault was horrible and bug ridden, like the rest of them
toxic pewter
yeah not a fan of it
autumn plinth
Stonevault was horrible and bug ridden, like the rest of them
Idk the vibe in there kinda slapped
fathom oasis
what were your feelings about ecodome towards the end of the season?
coarse bay
Ya but vibes dont make it good unfortunately
warm plinth
I actually have never even seen Stonevault
round pendant
I liked Floodgate, Eco-Dome, Priory, Cinderbrew, Stonevault even
warm plinth
Like, haven't even seen a screenshot of a screenshot of Stonevault XD
toxic pewter
not gonna lie, everything azj kahet was a big flop for me i was sort of hyped with the nerubian lore and stuff but just never hit it for me I will say queen anserek raid boss fight was cool and princeess
round pendant
but I mostly only like stonevault cause of the big pulls
coarse bay
I think removing the sharpshooters from priory wouldve made it much better
autumn plinth
Ya but vibes dont make it good unfortunately
Fair enough but big pulls
Big pulls made that shit slap
warm plinth
I'm not a big spider people fan; it's like naga shit, it's always boring
autumn plinth
True
fathom oasis
I think removing the sharpshooters from priory wouldve made it much better
preach
round pendant
spiderslop 😔
warm plinth
100% agree on that one Cam
warm plinth
Priory is good, but it could've been great
toxic pewter
yeah priory prob my fav one of the lot
round pendant
They're kind of a non-issue if people just do it right
coarse bay
I think ecodome was good, but i got tired of it pretty quick. Not gonna call it bad, but i at least still wanna go play floodgate
Fg best dungeon outside of top level, scales bad
round pendant
sharpshooters just had a little too much hp for how they'd just be annoying sometimes
warm plinth
Eco-Dome started good and ended bad in my opinion. Trash after 2nd boss is, well, trash
And I could've done without the teleporting bastards
autumn plinth
Eco-Dome started good and ended bad in my opinion. Trash after 2nd boss is, wel...
True, too many of those blinker adds as well
hate those ones
fathom oasis
they were the worst ye
round pendant
But then none of the mobs in Magister's Terrace do literally anything
warm plinth
Blizz be like hey prot warriors, charge in to this trash pack. Meanwhile they're trying to muffle their laughter behind their hands
autumn plinth
At least you could do the fun tech dance with the gloom bites tho
round pendant
the most interesting stuff is the polymorph/bolt casts
when you pull two
cause you're forced to actually do something
2nd boss seemed kinda fun tho
warm plinth
yam, you have to understand that they were supposed to be neutering our ability to monitor mechanics when they designed/re-designed these dungeons
They failed spectacularly, but that was their intent 🙂
coarse bay
I wonder if opinions on some dungeons would be different if routing other than the chosen meta routes were played
round pendant
And you're telling me this is the peak difficulty people can handle without addons?
warm plinth
No, but I think it's better to err on the side of caution when you're forcing people to make a massive adjustment to how the game is viewed.
round pendant
I think people overstate how much heavy lifting addons were doing
autumn plinth
Bad healers on second boss of eco made that fight feel near impossible
warm plinth
Bad healers on second boss of eco made that fight feel near impossible
tbf a big contributing factor was every person getting hit by every line during intermission haha
warm plinth
I think people overstate how much heavy lifting addons were doing
I would say I guess we'll see, but a lot of the heavy lifting they claimed addons were doing is still possible.
coarse bay
S2 was a bop, s3 was mid af
round pendant
No, but I think it's better to err on the side of caution when you're forcing pe...
I feel like they swung too hard in the opposite direction based on what I'm seeing
and yeah
You can still do most of the stuff because most of the stuff isn't egregious
interrupt tracking and omnicd being gone is just goofy tho
coarse bay
I think itll be noticed more in raid than m*, a lot of people are used to being told what to do
warm plinth
Yeah but we've seen multiple articles on wowhead over the last week or two that basically say almost everything addons could do regarding mechanics announcement, they can still do
The only thing they can't do is assign a specific person to a mechanic based on whether they actually have the mechanic
But they can still say hey this mechanic is happening, do this if you have it
round pendant
So why is literally nothing happening in the dungeons
It's not even my biggest complaint anyway
autumn plinth
tbf a big contributing factor was every person getting hit by every line during ...
True enough I suppose, if they didnt get multiple dots it prolly wouldnt be as bad
round pendant
My biggest complaint is how bad cd tracking and party frames are now
And because of blizzard's unwillingness to add UI elements for mechanics THEY add, they've had to simplify a bunch of shit because WAs won't be carrying that slack for them
so the specs I like just become less interesting (and fun)
and then they nerf dungeon difficulty on top of that it just doesn't bode well for me
maybe s2 will be good though
unreal yarrow
The new dungeons are fine. They don't have less mechanics. Kicks are easier, that's the only real change
toxic pewter
whos ready for another extension
round pendant
I mean I just watched a couple streamers do a few dungeons and there's literally nothing happening?
unreal yarrow
hyperbole without meaning
round pendant
damn ya got me
toxic pewter
ur favorite dungeon is coming back algethar academy
with that kickball trinket
every1 loved dat trinket
round pendant
AA is pretty fun
round pendant
toxic pewter
XD
hardy snow
every1 loved dat trinket
I loved chasing balls on the icy spider boss
toxic pewter
i unironically was doing that too
hardy snow
it was quite hilarious
toxic pewter
i forgot about that lmao
good times
I have a feeling they may delay the pre patch
something has gone terribly wrong
hardy snow
it is delayed anyway
fathom oasis
what was the dungeon that started with a deadly pack of flowers which was many times bricked within the first minute?
toxic pewter
may be delayed an entire week
hardy snow
event and questlines starts next week
fathom oasis
from DF
hardy snow
tomorrow just ui breaks, nothing new
fathom oasis
hmm, im thinking the one where the last boss was a dragon that had spheres homing in on you
hardy snow
yeah, thats it
Dragon was Professor at this Academy
she wanted to give a lesson to bad students (players)
toxic pewter
what was the dungeon that started with a deadly pack of flowers which was many t...
That could be the everbloom df season 3
strong forum
i completely forgot AA is coming back
fathom oasis
no,no, the one that makes you go slow or sth
strong forum
even more glad i dont play midnight
hardy snow
oh right, everbloom fits "flowers bricks key early" as well XD
fathom oasis
you go downstairs
fathom oasis
and the last room is all blueish with the huge dragon
toxic pewter
its confirmed
hardy snow
I liked AA
round pendant
What's with more and more people nowadays trying to convince me that what I see with my own eyes isn't real?
hardy snow
and the last room is all blueish with the huge dragon
thats algethar academy
round pendant
even more glad i dont play midnight
You don't like AA?
strong forum
how can you see if your eyes arent real
AA was such high failure rate cuz of simple IQ checks
round pendant
lmao
toxic pewter
honestly midnight is widely considered one of the lowest hyped expansions of all wow history so not getting is not really unheard of
round pendant
tbf I only liked the plant room
fathom oasis
thats algethar academy
isn't AA mostly outdoors, with a dragon that has you play quiditch (or however it's spelled)? where you chose one of three buffs to start with
or is that a different one
round pendant
yes that's AA
strong forum
not to be confused with auto attack!
toxic pewter
u all ready to get KICKBALL TRINKET EVERY FUKIN VAULT FOR 4 MONTHS STRAIGHT
tribal wharf
i never really liked fighting the tree boss
fathom oasis
ok, and which was the other dungeon in Azure Span where you started indoors and going downstairs
round pendant
Nome have you seen any gameplay of the new/returning dungeons in ptr?
strong forum
thats azure vault
tribal wharf
academy is the one im thinking of
fathom oasis
i hated the last boss of AV, i much prefer AA
tribal wharf
big tree that shoots things you have to be grouped up to kill
strong forum
axes hurt like a motherfucker
veximus (the elemental) killing everyone
1 scepter cast going off = group wipe
toxic pewter
i hear that damn gnome in my nightmares
strong forum
and what did they do? outright removed the scepters
toxic pewter
'VEXIMUS!!!'
strong forum
removed the bleed from the axes
solid sun
I miss when nome loved wow
hardy snow
I didnt like how they changed block on bird boss
toxic pewter
yeah that bird unironically couldnt tank that guy
cant remember which season
but was very difficult for me
strong forum
blizz not very good at giving a fuck about tanks getting dicked in m+
what question
solid sun
I think some of you were doing keys that were way too high
round pendant
Nome have you seen any gameplay of the new/returning dungeons in ptr?
this one
solid sun
Flying too close to the sun
strong forum
i have not looked at any dungeons no
round pendant
ah rip
round pendant
I needed a reality check from someone I can trust to not have a cooked take
strong forum
and addonageddon
round pendant
yeah same but I was toying with the idea of playing anyway just to hang with my friends
so I watched some of the content I would be interested in doing
and it looks so cooked
strong forum
so I watched some of the content I would be interested in doing
big mistake
if you just wanna have fun
do it blind
round pendant
yea
solid sun
That’s true
The more wow content you consume the more you will hate how midnight sounds
round pendant
but now if I do play I'm gonna go in with a even bigger negative mindset 😔
but then again if it saves me 60 bucks, worth it
strong forum
the more wow the less fun
the less wow the more fun
for example, i didnt play wow for ~10 months, just logged in to do T2 Kyveza while undergeared as fuck and it was super fun! for 1hr then it died
and now its fucking with me
solid sun
But tbh a lot of things get worse the more you have of it
round pendant
what's a sex?
toxic pewter
and buffets
strong forum
what's a sex?
something that only legends speak of
toxic pewter
its a woodwind musical instrument
round pendant
but yeah these dungeons look incredibly dull so I suddenly don't want to play anymore
strong forum
think about it like this
round pendant
but my buddies 
round pendant
we're all not playing but the moment one person breaks we're all playing
strong forum
SURELY
Blizzard balances tank gameplay around the fact that all of them have less defensives
MEANING you have EVEN LESS mechanics to deal with
therefor, tanks are even more braindead than ever
strong forum
some people say tanking was hard or challenging in m+ this xpac
but i just dont see it
round pendant
yeah it wasn't
strong forum
unironically rookery was probably the hardest to tank
cuz of the 308409 magic hits
beyond that? pretty braindead for tank imo
round pendant
I think first iteration of priory (first boss)
and maybe a couple other specific things
round pendant
everything else was a complete non-issue tanking wise
round pendant
I kinda like it though?
Like the first part is rough but then it's vibing after that
and the big pull is always nice 
strong forum
paladins, 2nd boss soaks, miniboss unblockable magic hits
yeah
fun
nah fuck priory
lusty grotto
priory was better this time around but its still way too loaded
the one i fucking hate is dawnbreaker's first part
lusty grotto
stupid ass ships that you go through such a buggy mess
round pendant
but it was one of the hardest dungeons
prob the hardest if you exclude ara-kara being griefed by pugs 24/7
lusty grotto
thats another dungeon that got way better this time around
but yeah its an awareness check
round pendant
I feel like arakara was made worse
strong forum
i voted for stonevault aaaaand....
lusty grotto
highly disagree
strong forum
idk the other dungeon
toxic pewter
ara kara sucks ass yeah i said it
strong forum
cuz stonevault was an actually good key
with USABLE loot
unlike ara kaka, priory or dawn
lusty grotto
yeah stonevault was good
round pendant
the best change was the spiders but I don't remember specifics but the timer was a lot tighter
toxic pewter
yes stonevault good true
strong forum
but nooooOOoOO big clown playerbase chose arakaka and priory cuz they forgot raid trinkets exist
lusty grotto
yeah first boss change was super goated, and the slow being dispellable at the end for once
toxic pewter
accurate
strong forum
the best change was the spiders but I don't remember specifics but the timer was...
they removed the slow from the drones at 3rd boss
they nerfed tank hits
strong forum
slowed down when tthe spiders would cast their unblockable nuke after 1st boss
what changed with 2nd boss
lusty grotto
idk 2nd boss was fine, timer was too tight i can agree with
round pendant
the big scarab boys after first boss got that big aoe dam thing
they had too much fucking health
lusty grotto
oh true
but you were gonna skip them regardless
its just weird they doubled down on them
they were already a time sink in the first iteration
round pendant
I feel like it was mostly the same in terms of quality just the tighter timer made it harder with people being able to royally fuck up every step of the way
lusty grotto
so thats why left was preferred at the end of s1
round pendant
which made it hard in pugs
lusty grotto
yeah i agree, timer being to tight, and those dumb fat fucks
outside of that i think it was fine
round pendant
also splitting up the first pull just feels bad
even if it's not too consequential
cause half that first pull just feels like such a nothing pack
toxic pewter
round pendant
stonevault was goated tho, I don't know why so many people hated it
restive oak
see you in the morning boiz
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i already got one lock at 70 and one at 80
toxic pewter
yeah damn gonna play an alt
lusty grotto
we ready to lock it
toxic pewter
my first ever character was warrior and warlock
round pendant
lmao
toxic pewter
midnight... could it be MID?????????????????????????????????
lusty grotto
i never played a lock until TWW preseason event and lemix
round pendant
My friend who was too afraid to try oracle all expac because premonition complexity
finally switched to it in s3
and really liked it cause yknow, it made holy actually viable
is now malding that it's gone
toxic pewter
oh is that premonition thing gone
round pendant
yeah it's like a passive or something now, not something you press
unreal yarrow
Yeah, holy is gutted
lusty grotto
well maybe this time he wont think twice about trying new things 🙂
round pendant
That was the beauty of it though
Finally managed to convince him to try scawy things and push harder
and he was really enjoying it
I was so proud
He got so much better
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
round pendant
and now that ceiling is just kinda deleted
lusty grotto
good
lusty grotto
why did you think both apb and me were excited about what you posted
round pendant
That wasn't ironic?
lusty grotto
no
complexity seems good if youve been on the same class for 20 years
i realized this years ago
thats why i dont give a shit about complexity being reduced anymore
round pendant
Idk, I never had problems learning new specs and I liked that there was a lot to learn to improve over time
toxic pewter
ngl for aff lock ive been wanting it to go down in complexity for a bit but i cant deny many people are unhappy with that
round pendant
You're gonna be 100% optimal day 1 with those kinda priority lists
lusty grotto
i didnt have problems either, but it was work
round pendant
If that's fun for you that's cool I guess
and I don't mean that in a patronizing way
lusty grotto
i enjoyed furying this season after dropping Arms
simply because of one reason
it was a fucking 3 button spec
round pendant
I think there should be specs like that
round pendant
Because the theory is that it would enable more complex specs to exist too, since people who don't want that can just play those simpler specs
but seems more and more everything is getting dragged down to that level
I like Fury too
I don't think simplicity is antithetical to fun by any means
I just lose interest once there's nothing to learn
strong forum
my friend who dabbled with warlock a bit this expac sent me this
That's missing unstable corruption on prio target, but outside of that yeah...
lusty grotto
there's something about the funnel that just hits all the endorphin targets
round pendant
I enjoyed assassin a lot last season
strong forum
I enjoyed affliction tons in s2
lusty grotto
i played some sin in lemix
strong forum
Actually so much fun
lusty grotto
it was interesting
strong forum
I should check affliction in midnight...
round pendant
Even though it was simple, it was still pretty tricky at times and there's still something to playing it optimally
and for midnight they completely removed ALL effort and thought that goes into it
and I lost interest
That's an already ez spec
solid sun
So just out of curiosity, if the game isn’t back up until tomorrow are the tomorrow gamers going to wait until Thursday
round pendant
prob not, NA are the beta testers for eu
lusty grotto
just remember, complexity can be put back via bloating as time goes on
for better or worse
solid sun
Now listen here
lusty grotto
this is just a starting point of a restart
solid sun
My bloating is none of your business, frankly
round pendant
this is just a starting point of a restart
That's fair
lusty grotto
and honestly like i was saying yesterday
we will have to see
i think the worst case scenario is if they double down on reducing even more complexity, which they can certainly opt to do
and perhaps its warranted on some specs as time goes on, but doing it for all classes would be weird as fuck
kinda like doubling down on the beetles in ara kara 😄
round pendant
yeah it's just the result rn + contradictory statements from blizzard just rubs me the wrong way
but they have me by the balls cause it's the only game my whole friend group plays together
solid sun
Design is fluid
lusty grotto
its just the nature of mmo development
round pendant
I'm only madge because I care
lusty grotto
its always a moving target
solid sun
They aren’t contradictory. They’re iterated ;)
lusty grotto
ideally, sure
solid sun
Contriterated
round pendant
steady karma
the servers, they're up!
steady karma
So is your cuteness level
oak ivy
I do not wish to think, what's the new "just do dam" talent set
round pendant
So is your cuteness level
no u
warm plinth
Deadge
toxic pewter
Im too lazy to go back on computer
undone beacon
I exploded kanga with my mind
autumn plinth
correction:
Is that the actual healthpool?
autumn plinth
Thats crazy
solid sun
Alright
I see Museless has a weakaura suite
I thought weakauras were getting eliminated
vestal abyss
urban bane
it is cdmanager :V
round pendant
Bamboozled how
autumn plinth
correction:
How many people did you need to break shield?
urban bane
uh we had a group of like 10 people with a pulse and just zerged it all
just did again with a group of 5 people
eternal glade
what is a half decent dps number i should try to get to now?
frank crystal
are we able to remove stance bar?
round cliff
is there no default threat colors??
regal yarrow
Don't forget to enchant your shields while you can 🙂
or I guess more importantly get your second gem socket on your belt
narrow jay
Can we talk about how ass champions spear is does like zero damage and doesnt really seem to be all that useful sometimes you jump in sometimes you don't. Doesn't seem to really pull stuff in either.
ionic fern
Can we talk about how ass champions spear is does like zero damage and doesnt re...
Ability with potential, but they butchered it.
round pendant
classic
grave lily
Can we talk about how ass champions spear is does like zero damage and doesnt re...
At least Javelineer is dope, beats pinging the DK
pulsar epoch
so from now we cant track party members cds right ?
jagged pier
nope
untold isle
yooo
so what are we playing now in mythoc manaorge? colossus again ?
and the most popular specs on warcraft logs are not available in pre paatch ?
cant see the specs of people
lavish copper
anyone found a good way to track how "Full" ignore pain is yet?
the duration is irrelevant and it only has 1 stack 😕
hardy snow
the duration is irrelevant and it only has 1 stack 😕
CDM if its put in tracked buffs shows how much % of possible IP you have
that 55 on icon means I have 55% of possible IP absorb
fathom oasis
do we care (rotationally speaking) about IP amount currently?
lavish copper
i just don't wanna waste rage on it if i don't need to
hardy snow
do we care (rotationally speaking) about IP amount currently?
nah, nothing changes in that matter
lavish copper
How come swapping stance triggers spell reflect?
wait have i got a random macro doing it...
holy shit i do xD nvm
warm plinth
https://tenor.com/view/xd-lol-xd-meme-jajajaja-xd-xdd-gif-8843845604309803125
I feel the freedom you feel in this gif
weary wigeon
on dime myth i play colusus now¿
spark cedar
or I guess more importantly get your second gem socket on your belt
wdym
regal yarrow
wdym
Item level squish and blizzard not testing well enough. You can use the shadowed belt clasp for example, and add a second socket to your belt. That's the highest impact thing you can do, but you can also enchant every piece of your gear right now using old enchants
spark cedar
so classic enchants work :D?
regal yarrow
yes
actually now that I'm thinking about it, if anyone has old myth track gear from this expansion, like previous tier sets or trinkets, I'd love to know if they didn't scale them down properly and they can be played with right now
lusty grotto
what do you guys need the power for in pre patch
there's literally nothing
mythic reclears?
pulsar wedge
lusty grotto
right
if you have a pulse like muse said haha
cant wait for exp to drop and people farm super rares again
jagged pier
fuck that
lusty grotto
its just cope to not fall behind and be ahead of the curve
but in this particular case
coarse bay
It could be 29:48 reclear instead of 30 minutes if i optimize
lusty grotto
old enchants? i get that they are op and not scaled but... there's nothing
pulsar wedge
mythic dimmy is not a 4 minute and under fight
lusty grotto
it is now
lusty grotto
ionic fern
Only thing you should min-max during pre-patch is your mental health to prepare for the inevitable 100000 pulls per boss Raid runs.
pulsar wedge
just did 400 something on mythic dimmy, my mental health is great right now
jagged pier
dont need to do that as not raiding 
solid sun
Why so many pulls
solid sun
Sorry I was asking Mwahi
lusty grotto
Only thing you should min-max during pre-patch is your mental health to prepare...
but based
400 pulls on p1 ?
hooooly
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
it isnt
its anything but
p2 and p3 are the hard phases
p1 is just position correctly for reverse gravity
were the hard phases
lusty grotto
LOL
solid sun
He looks top heavy to me
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
Dimmy does seem top heavy
Basically all his upper mass is literal void, and void by definiton is weightless as it is nothing. His core is his mass, and as such, he isnt top heavy, he is actually extremely centered
warm plinth
@lusty grotto with scaling so messed up we should easily be able to do hm now haha
lusty grotto
t4 alts go
coarse bay
It should be pretty ez
I watched my friends clear a 20 or 21 fg with a 140 healer
Which was like 700 before
warm plinth
Yeah friend of mine said a 13 felt like a 2
coarse bay
Ya the hardest part is literally the kicks now
21s are cruising
Removing the marking function from macros has made coordination harder
Focus and focus kick still work but u either need to manually mark or somehow call it out
warm plinth
You can't mark with macros anymore? That's weird.
coarse bay
Nope
They tried to stop what happened with using macros to deal with mechanic assignments and stuff
So there’s a few things you cant do with macros anymore, it might be just instanced or combat though im not sure
toxic pewter
wut every1 doin
warm plinth
Sitting at work admiring my email saying apb followed me on twitch
toxic pewter
yah I followed u muahahah
coarse bay
That's sad. Can you still keybind markers?
Not sure
tribal wharf
as long as you can still addon them i dont care
i have or had an addon for 2 click world marker
2 clicks
2
coarse bay
World markers might be ok, i havent tried
strange lintel
hello fellow tanks. im looking for a solution for the ignore pain bar? senseiclass does not have an ignore pain bar i can see
is there a workaround?
tribal wharf
that was entire purpose of the addon to make world marker fast as possible
coarse bay
hello fellow tanks. im looking for a solution for the ignore pain bar? senseicla...
Should be in cd manager
It isnt a resource
strange lintel
Should be in cd manager
i am trying to not look at that thing.
coarse bay
You should, its what we have
strange lintel
is that my only option?
coarse bay
Yes
strange lintel
fuck
coarse bay
Get an addon to customize cd manager stuff
But thats the only source of buff tracking
undone beacon
Hey wait wtf @coarse bay stealing my title
strange lintel
the resource thing from the game is so bad... its like someone explained how to make a proper resource tracking bar to blizzard and they went and did the exact opposite
coarse bay
the resource thing from the game is so bad... its like someone explained how to ...
Agreed, its horrible
lusty grotto
is there a specific reason why you need to track it?
coarse bay
Hey wait wtf <@127599847166574592> stealing my title
Im the emissary of bear
strange lintel
" let me put the value on the fucking icon and give us a timer tracker that fills a bar "
undone beacon
Im the emissary of bear
No thats me >:(
strange lintel
is there a specific reason why you need to track it?
is that a real question. i want what its showing but backwards. i want the amount of shield i have on the bar and the timer on the icon
undone beacon
Too bad bear is still bugged to hell and back on live
strange lintel
why wouldnt i want to track it
strange lintel
i dont wanna refresh it constantly when i can save rage
lusty grotto
for what
lusty grotto
why do you need to save rage
if youre using it correctly you will always have rage available
as in, if youre using it with low rage, youre using it incorrectly
it doesnt need to be up
SB does
not IP
im just mentioning this because while its useful to track, for extremely high damage intake, you dont need it right now in the pre patch and can probably wait for addons to be more in a more complete state
when content actually demands having it capped (i.e. saladbar busters or r1 keys before prepatch)
round pendant
don't track ip don't track ip don't track ip
lusty grotto
realistically there are scenarios where you need to
they are just far and few in between
round pendant
in those scenarios you only really briefly need it so I just press it a couple times more than I otherwise would
without really paying attention to the amount I have (because I can't see it)
lusty grotto
yeah i agree
lusty grotto
i mean its fine to track now cause of the rage economy
going forward i mean
but its not something to panic over
as of RIGHT NOW
its still used the same way
round pendant
idk what midnight pwar looks like really
it's always been 'fine' to track imo, just kind of a waste of mental space
I certainly liked removing it from my ui entirely
lusty grotto
you know thats been my argument for a while, its just added bloat
adding to coggy load unnecessarily
lusty grotto
yup
but again i have to ask because
i dont know the specific use case
thats why i was asking that person
solid sun
Yeah I wish they didn’t leave
velvet knot
Alright fellas all 3 mage specs are crying in their discord. How we feeling? I'm kinda happy with the minimal changes.
lusty grotto
its pre patch so feelings dont matter
velvet knot
What a prot warrior thing to say
lusty grotto
ask again when s1 starts in midnight
coarse bay
Alright fellas all 3 mage specs are crying in their discord. How we feeling? I'm...
Mage bad
Confirmed
Tanks are extremely survivable rn, and prepatch is all over the place
solid sun
Why are the mages crying
coarse bay
Ik ppal and vdh are able to survive pulls in 20-21 without healers
Because they made mages much less fun somehow
solid sun
Didn’t Mwahi post an image of them playing frost mage with the one button thing and pooping on ev1
lusty grotto
sounds like it'll be another season where mages are #1 in s1
if they are bitching this soon
solid sun
I think I read that fire mage is down to like 3 buttons or something
But I assume I’m reading exaggerated dooming
lusty grotto
does it matter
lusty grotto
but yeah early into alpha and beta that was what was going around the grapevine
unsure if it changed
solid sun
The magi emissary needs to provide an update
If all the poindexter specs are mad we need a briefing so we can prepare quality retorts
coarse bay
The numbers are good on arcane and frost, but they were reworked to feel really bad to play
Fire feels good, and has poor numbers
lusty grotto
are they clunky? whats wrong with the gameplay
coarse bay
I havent tried frost yet, but arcane is just cluncky and not intuitive at all
lusty grotto
hmm
solid sun
Did fire get more buttons back or did the prune actually feel nice
coarse bay
They definitely could be meta, but not fun
No buttons back but it feels mostly the same as before but combust is an actual cd instead of just being an uptime thing
lusty grotto
im guessing thats the part people didnt like
solid sun
Do they hit like a wet noodle outside of combust
lusty grotto
is SKB gone?
well i guess it makes sense to remove it if its not gonna be an uptime thing
it is what it is
mighty valley
i haven't played new fire yet but the prune makes sense to me on paper, never liked that there were multiple buttons with almost identical functions
coarse bay
Ya fire needs some work still but it seems to mostly be a numbers thing
Arcane was just downgraded from tww
velvet knot
You guys remember during shadowlands prepatch and we were doomposting? and jamming?
coarse bay
And frost rework missed the mark entirely
velvet knot
thats arcane and fire mage discord atm
velvet knot
And frost rework missed the mark entirely
oh yeah
Removing shatter was a wild decision
coarse bay
I did some keys on arcane and genuinely felt like i was playing wrong, yet i had top dmg overall and on bosses
But we’re level 80 and prepatch so who knows
lusty grotto
You guys remember during shadowlands prepatch and we were doomposting? and jammi...
all pre patches are the same
not just these two
lusty grotto
yes its normal
jagged pier
Its normal and theres a lpt ppl need to get used to this week
outer willow
Sup gentlemen.
With the loss of WA, I need a new way to track my SB + IG uptime. I used horizontal bars before which really really worked for me. Anyone have suggestions?
lusty grotto
the only thing thats kind of different is that they made scaling so that content is easier, instead of harder which has been the recurring thing
outer willow
IP**
lusty grotto
why do you need to track IP
outer willow
Comfort really. I like seeing that it’s up
lusty grotto
fair enough
jagged pier
U jist need to turn them on
lusty grotto
as long as you understand IP is not our primary mit and you use it correctly
toxic pewter
yeah the new UI has bars now
jagged pier
I moved them to just icons
Cause it still shows buff durarion and u only need to know stacks of ip now
toxic pewter
ooh good idea ill do that also just icon
jagged pier
Yer u just drag them to the section above where they are in the bliz think
undone beacon
guys fuck raids and M+ and pvp im an endeavor gamer now
this is great
im pickup up chickens and riding air vents to the city center
lusty grotto
is that the housing thing?
jagged pier
guys fuck raids and M+ and pvp im an endeavor gamer now
same
jagged pier
is that the housing thing?
and yes