what is the purpose of farming them?
#protection
warm plinth
solid sun
My favorite part of remix was playing with my friends Ghash and Pash
undone beacon
Visibility hasnt changed but yeah that goes away with season end
undone beacon
what is the purpose of farming them?
Easy way to get extra bronze if you need it
warm plinth
Oh. I think the only shit I didn't end up buying is the cloak vendor stuff because I only recently learned he was there
And the housing stuff that required achievements because I don't really go for achievements much
solid sun
You are an achievement
warm plinth
proper roost
if you're really iron man gimme a small loan of a million buckaroonis
1 million smackeroos
1 thousand thousand fun bucks
warm plinth
Best I can do is one million doll hairs
solid sun
Why do you have so many doll hairs
warm plinth
solid sun
fathom oasis
catnip overdose
proper roost
mighty valley
i mean, it's all in the eye of the beholder, right
r/redpill posters all think "taking the red pill" is good
idk if that's a subreddit that still exists and i'm not gonna visit but you know what i mean
mighty valley
i'm bedpilled and sleepmaxxing
solid sun
That’s not a color
Is green pilled good
Green means go and that sounds like progress
mighty valley
when i google that term i get a book called "greenpilled: how crypto can regenerate the world"
so probably not that one............
mighty valley
yeah i think no one that uses any colorpill terms unironically is in a good place tbh
solid sun
Alright that settles it
We’re all going to just stick to reading Harrow’s pfp manga
So we can be well adjusted and smart
proper roost
i like it when people use it for silly things
like saying you're goofypilled
sillymaxing
topaz latch
idk if that's a subreddit that still exists and i'm not gonna visit but you know...
its still there, and yes its still a cesspool.
frosty mango
Is there a good pill
When you’re our age there are many good pills
A lot of them are blue
Back to my hole
frosty mango
Roidstack was big on pills then he disappeared
I am not playing midnight it’s sad times boys
undone beacon
D:
frosty mango
I’m joining nom in Valhalla for retired warriors
frosty mango
Life said no
undone beacon
Sadge
I got my elite pvp set for warrior this season, babys first
Gonna look slick in midnight
mighty valley
Back to my hole
That's not where you're supposed to put the blue pills, man
frosty mango
That's not where you're supposed to put the blue pills, man
Works so much faster
undone beacon
Team whats the FASTEST, LEAST EFFORT way to get a pair of HERO TRACK wrists
solid sun
Life said no
Is it life or is it midnight
frosty mango
Is it life or is it midnight
It’s life, lol
frosty mango
Team whats the FASTEST, LEAST EFFORT way to get a pair of HERO TRACK wrists
Craft them
solid sun
Life for me also
jade hazel
Team whats the FASTEST, LEAST EFFORT way to get a pair of HERO TRACK wrists
Weekly +11 delve shit with alts
frosty mango
They specifically need to be hero or myth track
Do you not have like 500 extra sparks
solid sun
I’ll still try to level a character up I think but I don’t see how I’ll have time for more challenging things
undone beacon
Do you not have like 500 extra sparks
I cant catalyze crafted wrists
proper roost
Team whats the FASTEST, LEAST EFFORT way to get a pair of HERO TRACK wrists
delve 
undone beacon
I just said i need the appearances smh my DAMN head
proper roost
Won't the tazavesh drop a hero track item on every single boss
undone beacon
Won't the tazavesh drop a hero track item on every single boss
True but im not bringing this shitass priest to our hardmode extravaganza
undone beacon
Hey be nice im gonna be a big shadow priest next xpac :3
proper roost
coarse bay
Hey be nice im gonna be a big shadow priest next xpac :3
Will you still remember us once youve made it large?
coarse bay
How did it feel to carry a group of npcs pretending to be lesser people?
And what was your response to the liquid invite
jagged gust
Disheartening honestly, look at what it took for them to achieve a fraction of my power.
Also it was actually echo, and I turned down their peasant wage post haste
proper roost
wtf
this is 10 minutes from now no one is available
proper roost
cam isn't home for like 2 more hours
lusty grotto
right its in 3 hours
solid sun
Also it was actually echo, and I turned down their peasant wage post haste
This got me. What a fantastic sentence lmfao
coarse bay
People caring about being optimized in prepatch is wild
undone beacon
Alright nerds ping me when we’re doing HM TV
jade hazel
People caring about being optimized in prepatch is wild
go to frost 😂
coarse bay
Fdk? Id rather not lmao
coarse bay
Oh i read all the mage channels i just didnt think we were talking about them
Theyre all just trying to figure it all out, not necessarily just for prepatch
Manather already released a vid lol
Idk mage discord is a little too serious and busy rn for me
toxic pewter
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
coarse bay
||## Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.||
oblique garnet
No shitposting allowed 
coarse bay
This is tyranny
jade hazel
No shitposting allowed <:ydnad:1030092574058369044>
Too late
warm plinth
Hello yes I'm reporting for tazavesh duty
coarse bay
coarse bay
Hello yes I'm reporting for tazavesh duty
Literally walking home
warm plinth
Literally walking home
Copy that ghost rider
coarse bay
Ill have to hit some dummies to learn my buttons rq
warm plinth
No rush
coarse bay
awesome cat
undone beacon
ditto
undone beacon
damn if i had known how long you goobs would take to appear I'd've snoozed more myself smh
coarse bay
same
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> everyone but you is online!!
On ze way
proper roost
also let's use your disc plz i don't want randoms joining in skyhold vc
oblique garnet
Fake news nome is just a brown name
proper roost
ok let the record show we are now waiting on nim and ghash
my lateness was totally fine
solid sun
Have you started yet
lament zealot
Is tclap still a generator or a spender now in midnight? The tool tips on WoW head are all wonky
proper roost
the power of friendship did not succeed, team
warm plinth
Is tclap still a generator or a spender now in midnight? The tool tips on WoW he...
Still a generator
warm plinth
Please forgive my girlish scream at the end
proper roost
I had a massive frame drop right as the adds spawned so ngl that was giga unlucky on top of it being my kick
but i had also charged out of kick range in that exact gcd anyway so it was joever
i think the moral of the story is maybe we shouldn't leave that until 2 days before prepatch
proper roost
or i shouldn't mess up kicks who knows
warm plinth
well, tbf we had an overlap earlier on or we probably would've still been fine
warm plinth
lusty grotto
btw there are 2 achieves, one for completing
lusty grotto
lol maybe
it was fun though we should try with the third set of alts
like we mentioned
lusty grotto
solid sun
You got this
undone beacon
we had a jolly good time
coarse bay
we got it in the bag
warm plinth
100% want to try a scuffed alt run
proper roost
i would if i had one
warm plinth
ah
tribal wharf
not 1 for 1
but this is type of desk i have now
which is solid as a bank vault door
the top layer would make good surface after refinish
figured it could be less boomer
then i saw and got 1 shot by the "slutty desk" as someone put it
proper roost
wat
tribal wharf
learn2english comprehension
mighty valley
the slutty desk
round pendant
That being Yogi's desk is somehow both not surprising and surprising at the same time
and absolutely hilarious
cerulean tusk
But can it play doom?
jagged pier
im sure he can play doom on it, which is enough
jagged pier
<@&257983573498265600>
tribal wharf
note the date and time
i actually have doom running on lets just call it ipad for simple terms basically 247
i dont have this on my pc bc as far as i know or care, it doesnt exist.
doom was so big and powerful back in those days it had the same type of energy as skibidi toilet on tik tok
coarse bay
True
Are those drawers on your desk full of like old game guides?
You know how guides and tips used to come in books/magazines
coarse bay
Ya where the cheat codes at
jagged pier
well they cant really because every game needs some sort of live service attached to it etc etc
so why give them codes, when players can pay for cheat like effects
nimble star
Hey guys why do we have 0 drakthyrs in top x% of m+? knockup not worth?
undone beacon
A racial CC is less important in a very well oiled and coordinated M+ pushing comp
Meld and Stoneform are very powerful in M+
However I play Dracthyr because I like the little hop glide :3
jagged pier
I play drac for char customisation
tribal wharf
far as i know you can get knock up effect from coll
have to imagine thats part of it, that and i think you rely on dps to have it more
warm plinth
I play drac for char customisation
That's why i like your Jakey; you're a funny guy
Also Tauren will be significantly better next expansion (compared to now), since stuns don't immune anymore
cerulean tusk
Also Tauren will be significantly better next expansion (compared to now), since...
Also this is actually a real true
havent even concidered it
vast epoch
Also Tauren will be significantly better next expansion (compared to now), since...
Waaait
No dr in midnight ?
Diminishing return or whatever the actual words are called * xd
wary gyro
they still DR but they never go to being immune so it will still stop casts
nimble star
Ok so indeed taurens will be objectively better than drakthyrs xD
vast epoch
they still DR but they never go to being immune so it will still stop casts
Aiight nice info anyway
jade hazel
Ok so indeed taurens will be objectively better than drakthyrs xD
For Warrior? It’s actually good race for PvP. More base versa and an extra stun. For PvE it’s whatever compared to dragon. Both racials are meh and other ones from dwarf/human/troll/orc/ne are better
warm plinth
It's objectively better than dracthyr in midnight because it's half the cooldown and does essentially the same thing
warm plinth
What, like the race?
proper roost
i think you guys would be pretty no matter what you pick for your warrior
toxic pewter
cerulean tusk
Nelf or you failed
simple as
This is why:
It solves:
||- Group being bitching bitches, kill em
- Co-tank doesnt taunt, no problemo
- Want to do skips, you do skips
- Tankbusters and certain mechanics bug out
- All your insecurities||
toxic pewter
Ngl that’s a very compelling list of benefits
Just manually realized you shadowmeld and team just get obliterated immediately LMAO
For some reason haven’t thought of that
Until you mentioned it
coarse bay
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
vast epoch
Nelf or you failed
Nelf tauren is okay too ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303309814724034562/1430568401293807809/SPOILER_image.png?ex=696cf2a5&is=696ba125&hm=130b7ef03bc563b28b0581b960a71ebb07ecd1edbe2c173f9084782a1260b72f&
vast epoch
That was the only halloween pic i still had on phone :(
coarse bay
Generally, when it comes to racial choice at the very top: unless there’s a racial that enables a pull or allows survival, you go for damage increase
Which most racials that offered decent damage increase wont be as effective with squish
But it also doesnt usually matter unless youre doing above title keys, or even mdi
coarse bay
Im sure if we all wait for mdi, we’ll see what the best races are and we can all swap
cerulean tusk
Nah, we just all roll nelf female and live our best lives
coarse bay
And when it’s vulpera, we can all suffer and go hang out in dreamgrove with pash
toxic pewter
Vulpera just too good quality of life can’t give it up
8 bag slots, hearthstone anywhere outside, 40 yard pulling ability/ off heal, nose for trouble
Does flips
Makes people rage when you kill them in PvP
Makes people rage in general actually
So good
stable grotto
smol shields suck
warm plinth
My war was vulpera originally. Mog just looks shit on them tbh
strong forum
Wrong
stable grotto
big shields>smol shields
undone beacon
Vulpera cringe, goblin better simple as
cerulean tusk
Ngl tho, brown name is the best name colour. No bells, no whistles, just warrior
cerulean tusk
Spoken like a mage player
coarse bay
That we can blindly follow
cerulean tusk
coarse bay
Probably the fact that nelfs are kinda ugly
Bad proportions
Big shoulders
Big ears that clip
I hope to never need to play nelf again
warm plinth
I'm just not a big elf fan in general
warm plinth
idk it's terrifying
toxic pewter
Omg I just watched elf like a week ago
tribal wharf
in the before times i have/had mechagnome dk general
and mage
generally like most base horde/ally race abilities, 50/50 for expansion ones
undone beacon
Pugging last week of the season is a fantastic experience
pallid quiver
Pugging last week of the season is a fantastic experience
what do you expect from a mortal kombat player who doesn't even know it's kahn, not khan? smh
warm plinth
Pugging last week of the season is a fantastic experience
Reporting people for low dps is already ridiculous but it's hilarious that he was one of them
warm plinth
Lol
proper roost
incredible exchange
coarse bay
Maybe saying they have low fps/performance?
round pendant
4gb of ram in 2026 is brutal though
That's like $500 in today's economy
warm plinth
proper roost
are you watching me sleep
warm plinth
round pendant
fwiw I prob have some kind of sleep disorder
proper roost
literal skill issue
toxic pewter
I have sleep apnea i think
round pendant
literal skill issue
true
proper roost
toxic pewter
i cant sleep longer than like 6 hours max
round pendant
yeah you might wanna get tested for that
sleep apnea literally deletes like years off your life
warm plinth
toxic pewter
i got referral from doctor few days ago to get sleep study
warm plinth
Isn't sleep apnea the one where you basically just randomly stop breathing while you're asleep
proper roost
yes
proper roost
if you ever hear someone sleeping with sleep apnea it's actually very scary
toxic pewter
not proud to say it and yeah worried i have taken many years off my life
proper roost
because you'll just hear nothing for a bit and then like a crazy gasp
toxic pewter
yep
round pendant
lots of sleep apnea just seems like snoring to other people
round pendant
not proud to say it and yeah worried i have taken many years off my life
If you get it fixed with a CPAP or whatever you need to do you'll prob reverse any damage
I saw a study like last year I think and they found that even in severe apnea the brain damage can be like entirely reversed
toxic pewter
yeah im working to lose weight right now.. been walking 10k steps a day and watching what i eat
but yeah i also getting cpap soon
doing sleep study this week even
solid sun
Gonna be hard to study while you’re asleep
toxic pewter
not with this disease lmao
solid sun
Does that require special training
proper roost
tbf sleeping poorly in general is really bad for your health in general
is like every time you don't really get 8h of sleep your life expectancy goes down markedly
solid sun
I try to get 12 hours a day
toxic pewter
i heard oversleep can be just as bad if not worse
round pendant
no way oversleep is worse
solid sun
Yeah like if you go to sleep while you’re driving that’s pretty bad for your health
round pendant
I wonder if it's just from being extra sedentary
toxic pewter
lol
round pendant
or if you're oversleeping just cause you're not resting properly in the first place cause of something wrong
I mean my sleeping is fucked
proper roost
solid sun
I’m glad I can provide some laughs during this trying time
round pendant
I have random bouts of horrible insomnia followed by random bouts of sleeping too much
toxic pewter
they both bad but: Long sleep (generally >9 hours) is similarly linked to higher risks of cognitive decline, depression, inflammation, metabolic problems (like diabetes and obesity), cardiovascular disease, and elevated mortality.
warm plinth
Elevated Mortality is my band name now
round pendant
but it's probably my depression hehe
solid sun
Hope the sleep study goes well
proper roost
i mean "chronically sleeping more than 9h a day" (as an adult/not giga old) is just like
called depression
toxic pewter
I mean yeah its sort of a vicious cycle I suppose
solid sun
Who doesn’t have a little depression though, y’know
toxic pewter
perhaps the oversleeping is fueling the depression though?
i wish i could oversleep at this point i swear
toxic pewter
Hope the sleep study goes well
ty
warm plinth
Just put your bed on a platform
solid sun
Just put your bed on a platform
This is good
toxic pewter
Just put your bed on a platform
lol
warm plinth
That's how I have sleepovers too. It's multipurpose
round pendant
oh apparently my sleeping issues could just be my adhd
toxic pewter
havent had a sleepover in like 30 years
round pendant
I never really thought about that
solid sun
You can even get more overage if you put a bunk bed on a platform and sleep on the top bunk
toxic pewter
oh lmao
solid sun
Nah apb just sends them home
round pendant
I've never had a sleepover
toxic pewter
nah it hasnt been 30 but def a while rofl
solid sun
“You can leave now”
proper roost
They rule i used to have a ton when i was growing up
toxic pewter
“You can leave now”
XD
solid sun
The apb special
proper roost
playin ps2 games in the middle of the night trying not to let the light from the tv bleed too much so the parents don't know we're still awake
whisperin and shit
they're fun
proper roost
yeah if i have a normal sleep cycle i'm a 6h-er
solid sun
But I feel like 7 is pretty good
proper roost
I think if i was living in a perfect world I would be 6h sleep at night + 1h nap in the middle of the day
round pendant
8 is the recommended afaik
proper roost
but they won't let me take a 1 hour nap in the middle of work smh
toxic pewter
i track my sleep with my apple watch and it claims i got almost 6 hour
see all those awakes
solid sun
How does the watch track your sleep
round pendant
jesus
warm plinth
How does it even know
solid sun
Ghash and me on the same page here
toxic pewter
i guess gasping and shit
warm plinth
Like, I move around quite a bit in my sleep but I'm still asleep
round pendant
inc heart rate + movement = awake
toxic pewter
How does the watch track your sleep
wear apple watch and movement and stuff
solid sun
What if I’m just dreaming about Ghash
round pendant
it's not like 100% accurate but it shouldn't be that wavy
toxic pewter
its been shown to be relatively accurate but yeah not as solid as a sleep study
round pendant
What if I’m just dreaming about Ghash
what are you dreaming about ghash that raises your heart rate?
warm plinth
I don't think that's any of your business
solid sun
proper roost
zamn!
you guys ever dream a whole separate life with like a family and kids you don't have
toxic pewter
u guys shoul start tracking ur sleep its pretty fun
round pendant
my sleeping has been so fucked lately
jagged pier
i had a dream i was happy last night... I woke up confused 
toxic pewter
proper roost
i've had this happen once and it was the most jarring and emotionally distressing dream ever
warm plinth
I don't own a smart watch. Never really understood the point of them.
round pendant
that reminds me of the lamp story
proper roost
yeah i think it probably was because i had read the lamp story
and my brain incepted me
round pendant
I hardly remember my dreams
proper roost
i don't think the lamp story is true though, or at least, heavily embellished, you don't remember dreams that well
and time's all fucky in them anyway
toxic pewter
I think not remembering dreams is good it means ur REM sleep is solid
solid sun
I also don’t have a smart watch
toxic pewter
should try smart watch theyre great imo
for walking and sleeping and excercising
can get a cheap one even
proper roost
and coma patients don't just go from like 0-100 wakefulness so that part is like... idk. about half of the story is very made up imo
round pendant
I had one for a while but it diedged
warm plinth
It's extra money I have to pay for the watch and then every month on top of it, just so I can...not pull my phone out to check the time?
proper roost
the other half is reasonably believable
solid sun
I have this nice little timepiece from Walmart
round pendant
my sleep is good when I'm asleep but I have issues falling asleep and waking up
warm plinth
If I want something for walking/sleeping/exercising, I can just get a normal fitness tracker like a fitbit and save some money
jagged pier
i hate how when i wake up at 5:30 i feel fine. but if i choose to go back to sleep till like 7:00 i wake up groogy and tired 
toxic pewter
fair enough those are good too ya
round pendant
and coma patients don't just go from like 0-100 wakefulness so that part is like...
it's def not real
but it's a spoopy story
warm plinth
I'm not judging if you have a smartwatch btw. I just don't personally think I would get any value from one.
toxic pewter
fair enough for sure
def not for everyone
they are a gimmick in some ways ya
but some cool benefits too
jade hazel
they are a gimmick in some ways ya
All watches are gimmicks
proper roost
This reminds me that my parents tend to sleep separately and for the longest time as a kid I never understood why
and then when I first slept with a partner I was like "oh, I get it lmao"
if you sleep poorly, it's legit a nightmare for the other person 💀
like idk how people can sleep in the same bed as someone with sleep apnea
warm plinth
I tried to send a text on someone's smartwatch once
proper roost
i would kill them I think
warm plinth
idk how people do it
toxic pewter
All watches are gimmicks
lol I wouldnt go that far personally
round pendant
i would kill them I think
People snoring makes me feel murderous intent
toxic pewter
I find watches provide some solid benefits
solid sun
One of the things I like about just having a regular watch is that I just check it for the time instead of my phone which has lead me to not “use” my phone so much which feels like I’m cleansing myself from constant device usage
Maybe it’s just in my head though
toxic pewter
I guess these days watches have lost some value cant deny that though yeah
in terms of utility
warm plinth
I don't use my phone that often unless I'm winding down for bed
jade hazel
lol I wouldnt go that far personally
Unless you’re actually tracking your time running and can’t pull out a phone, or in a work site or something like that, but 99% of time now watches (all of them) are gimmicks or luxury fashion items
warm plinth
But I check the time on it a fair bit
proper roost
there's a level of snoring I can tolerate/find cute but if it's actually waking me up i'd be like "i am sleeping on the couch cya"
warm plinth
Though my job is a desk job, so I can just see it on my PC monitor too
toxic pewter
Unless you’re actually tracking your time running and can’t pull out a phone, or...
ya for people with active jobs and stuff smart watches are invaluable
round pendant
my phone is exclusively for scrolling when I'm in bed or on the toilet and chatting to my buds on discord
toxic pewter
lol
proper roost
also there's like
a LOT of leg kickers in beds. it's infuriating
toxic pewter
dont fall in
round pendant
if I was on the toilet my sentences would be capitalised
toxic pewter
XD
toxic pewter
thats actually true with me also now that you mention it
solid sun
That’s so sick
toxic pewter
damn you autocorrect
solid sun
Now we can identify what yam is doing
proper roost
the poop self report..
round pendant
hey I could be in bed too you never know
though I rarely check this discord in bed
warm plinth
Yeah but in my head, you're always going to be on the toilet
round pendant
so yeah I'd say 80% chance I'm poopin
warm plinth
We're gonna be like "man, yam poops a lot"
round pendant
lmao
warm plinth
Speaking of autocorrect though, does anyone else feel like autocorrect has gotten way worse over the years?
round pendant
Yeah it feels that way
warm plinth
Like I remember my first couple smartphones, I could type the most nonsense shit and it'd be like oh you meant this and I'd be like fuck yeah I did, nice job
Now I'll type a perfectly normal word and it'll be like did you mean this other perfectly normal, but not at all relevant to this context, word?
solid sun
I can’t wait for everyone to be putting together some kinda like hardcore dungeon run
And yam is in on it
But yam hasn’t logged in yet and their messages are capitalized
toxic pewter
lol
solid sun
Ghash is immediately gonna be telling everyone they gotta wait for the poop sesh to be over
warm plinth
I'd be in the in-game party chat like "Hey just fyi, yam's taking a shit."
toxic pewter
XD
jagged pier
I'd be in the in-game party chat like "Hey just fyi, yam's taking a shit."
i mean isnt that standard?
warm plinth
round pendant
my friend got bothered once cause I told the puggers he was poopin
warm plinth
Well, if someone says they need a few mins before starting, I do tend to tell people they're pooing
solid sun
We can just let the Europeans in discord know why they’re waiting for ya
warm plinth
I wouldn't even be up right now but I gotta make this campaign post shortly, then maybe nap time
solid sun
Campaign post?
warm plinth
yeah, some marketing thing with wow for my M+ server
solid sun
Oooohh
warm plinth
Stayed up way too late and now I'm super duper sleepy
solid sun
I feel like there’s an exodus happening heading into midnight
Makes me worry that things will be simpler which is perfect for meeeee but my homies will be gone
Like nome
warm plinth
My participation in Midnight will depend on two things. One is just if friends are playing, because I don't play by myself anymore really. Two is if I can still customize the game to the extent that I don't hate looking at it.
Which it seems like I will be able to
jagged pier
i aint raiding next tier at the least. its just the same shit over and over
need to not feel burnt out
warm plinth
I'm mythic raiding this coming tier for the 2nd time ever so I guess I do have to play a bit for that
Kind of a test run to see how I like it
solid sun
Couldn’t you
round pendant
I'll play wow again when they get a new game director
warm plinth
Didn't stop peeps in my old guild in Shadowlands from doing it. Though that's probably why we only killed 3 bosses
round pendant
yeah m+ is mandatory for mythic raid prog afaik
which is goofy
they should really split the system up imo
jagged pier
well its the same in regard to high m+ u need to raid really too
round pendant
yeap for them trinkies
jagged pier
the onlysolution i have is each type of content each season starts with a set )like pvp does now)
which is disabled in other content
coarse bay
Ya unfortunately with how gear progression works, you cant really get away with one without the other. You can kinda m+ without raid to a point but youll be behind in crests and trinkets
round pendant
Putting good trinkets on late bosses and they end up being mandatory for m+ is so cringe
especially with the mythic requirement for dinars now
solid sun
If you raided exclusively and didn’t do m+, people like Jakey could at least clear N and H relatively easily basically asap right? What if you just took a couple weeks to grind more H raids and kill easier M bosses? Would you really be hard stuck in the raid?
jagged pier
I dont care about normal or hc
coarse bay
If you raided exclusively and didn’t do m+, people like Jakey could at least cle...
Ya its a mythic thing
And kinda troll to your raid group honestly
Like even if u only did it week 1 to fill out hero gear, itd be pretty bad to not have the m+ vault slots and the crests
jagged pier
mythic + vault slots are where most of my upgrades come from
might be slightly different next season etc as split raids so when u on the last raid u can still clear the easy bosses without extending which is cool
round pendant
the onlysolution i have is each type of content each season starts with a set )l...
What about, 1 piece of gear, two tracks. You can upgrade your gear for M+ or for Myth raid (or both) by getting upgrade materials from that specific content
jagged pier
round pendant
Downside is doing mythic doesn't benefit m+ and vice versa but completely detaching them from eachother is good imo
warm plinth
I think the determination to use a system like that would largely depend on the percentage of players that do one or the other but not both
round pendant
so you'd have
1/6 Mythic , 1/6 M+ Myth (call it something else ig?) and can upgrade those separately and their ilvl switches depending on instance type
warm plinth
Because if most people who do one are also doing the other, it's not a great idea to separate it because it'll just make everyone feel like they're doing more work
coarse bay
Honestly, have the dinar system and make it warbound. There’s a lot of people that m+ on alts and have to worm their way into a raid clear for gear
round pendant
Because if most people who do one are also doing the other, it's not a great ide...
More work isn't bad if the content is fun, you get two things to progress!
but yeah I guess
jagged pier
crests should be warbound on turbo boost
coarse bay
True
jagged pier
i hate farming crests and stones on alts (such a waste of fucking time)
jagged pier
I know stones are going but now u need even more crests for upgrades
round pendant
gear is the worst part about retail
it's true
jagged pier
coarse bay
If i have like 6k gilded between 3 characters, i should be allowed to craft some gear on an alt
solid sun
How much is the system being bad and how much is it everyone optimizing the fun out of the game
round pendant
I mean it should be almost trivial to catch an alt up to your main imo
solid sun
Because I see both opinions
round pendant
you've already been timegated for weeks
coarse bay
How much is the system being bad and how much is it everyone optimizing the fun ...
70% bad
round pendant
why is my alt literally like 12 weeks behind once my main is done
more imo
90% bad
warm plinth
I doubt we ever get a fully functional alt catch-up system
round pendant
it's trivial to optimise because it's a simplistic, shit system
coarse bay
Like the optimization of gearing and crests doesnt matter after a month or two
Its really just being smart the first 2-3 weeks
round pendant
the optimisation is literally "don't waste crests on non-myth slot/crafted slot" and spam m+ to get a decent baseline ilvl
gee
so complex
solid sun
There’s more to the optimization than simply using crests though
The discy here always has people fretting over getting max vault rewards asap
Even though tons of people aren’t as good as they think they are
coarse bay
Max m+ rewards are week 1, doesnt matter
But with how raid vault works, u want to be in a big guild now
round pendant
well +10s week 1 is trivial for anybody here I'd say
warm plinth
Does anyone know how crest discounting works in Midnight? Like I know the crests are specific to track, but if I have a hero 6/6, do I get any sort of discount on myth on the first upgrade?
coarse bay
There was datamining for the new crest system, but nothing official afaik
toxic pewter
need 150 crests to go from 1/6 to 6/6 if i recall correctly
for each track
10 - 20 -30 - 40 -50 per level
coarse bay
Hasnt been blue posted tho, might not happen
warm plinth
Yeah, but there's still overlap on the final upgrade of the lower track with the 1st upgrade of the higher track. So I'm just curious if I have a 6/6 hero piece, and get a myth item of that slot, do I get the first upgrade for no myth crests?
coarse bay
Probably
warm plinth
I guess at least it's cheaper on the lower end of the track
But ti does mean that you're better off spending the 50 hero crests on lower hero pieces vs upgrading the final track on the one piece
round pendant
I don't think there's overlap anymore?
cause every track uses a different crest now
oh ok there is overlap
first 2 overlap with last 2 of previous track but use 10 crests of the new track instead of 40 and 50 of the old
warm plinth
Right
round pendant
god I just want classic rpg gearing back
you kill a boss and get his sick-ass sword and it's op
proper roost
Does anyone know how crest discounting works in Midnight? Like I know the crest...
i bet they will be changing it til really close to release anyway
and then it will get overhauled in 2nd season
toxic pewter
soon they will get rid of gearing entirely and just give everyone loadouts
they didnt hire the call of duty lady to be ceo for no reason
proper roost
there he is
cynical apb
i knew he was buried in there, deep underneath the sleep apnea
behind the fear of your own mortality
cerulean tusk
warm plinth
Ky'veza is going to end my life
cerulean tusk
Who dat
warm plinth
The delve nemesis
cerulean tusk
I am so torn, I like ya, but come on
undone beacon
I mean gearing basically hardly exists already
I don’t understand that take about gearing, like what would you genuinely prefer? Everytime we have a “boss drops his sick ass sword” people complain about it. People complained about gearing in every expansion
cerulean tusk
Ya aint doing it now?
proper roost
ghashlight gatekeep girlboss or whatever
warm plinth
I'm not sure what the question is
proper roost
cerulean tusk
undone beacon
Ky’veza ?? isn’t a fight that’s solved by gear since it’s designed to kill you regardless if you fuck it up. It goes faster with gear but you still gotta do all the mechanics, which I appreciated
warm plinth
Pretty sure I won't be able to kill her anyway. Just too much stuff blends in even w/ colorblind mode and I have to do it too many times flawlessly or I die
Probably not realistic
Though I did see the clone dance phase a couple times 😄
cerulean tusk
You activated the outline setting?
I did 60 attempts before turning it on
I was desperate trying to spot the shadows, then I found the setting, and suddenly they had a red outline. Instead of dark purple on dark purple smoke
warm plinth
This?
cerulean tusk
Yeah, looks like it
warm plinth
I am colorblind, so things highlighted in red literally do nothing for me. I genuinely don't even see an outline on any of it
cerulean tusk
Tried the blizzard colourblind settings, to make things pop?
warm plinth
Yes, I always have colorblind on
cerulean tusk
Ripperino, that mode did save me tho
warm plinth
I am almost always unaffected by color-related things (in WoW anyway), but this fight is just doing me in
cerulean tusk
Without the outline working, I can see why
warm plinth
Like never had an issue with Netherspite in Karazhan. Didn't have an issue with Maiden's orbs in ToS
But this is just...idk. It's like trying to do the fight when everything is colored camouflage
warm plinth
Yeah mine's set to the same as well
cerulean tusk
round pendant
I don’t understand that take about gearing, like what would you genuinely prefer...
Gearing now is just a means to play the game, rather than being a satisfying part of the game itself outside of getting an overtuned trinket or cantrip
I'd prefer a more horizontal system with unique gear pieces like oldschool rpgs
I believe there's a world where you could have that and have it not be unethical
People will complain regardless though for sure
warm plinth
I actually enjoy gearing up. It's one of the things I like about alts. I just wish it was more about obtaining the piece of gear vs upgrading the pieces of gear I've obtained
round pendant
yeah exactly
That'd make it more satisfying
Gearing rn is just upgrading to get enough stat value/ilvl that your spec doesn't feel crippled
warm plinth
Okay yeah I admit defeat. I'm almost 60 attempts in and my best pull is 79% and haven't even made it to the clone phase again in like 20 pulls.
First solo content I haven't been able to do, feelsbadman
cerulean tusk
Took me a 100, as I mentioned, first 60 was just oof
round pendant
and then it's upgrading to meet dps/tank checks with some leeway for skill issues
cerulean tusk
Just sleep on it and try again tomorrow
warm plinth
I did that strategy already; I tried some the other day lol
solid sun
I like gearing up too. It’s more enjoyable when my friends are with me though
round pendant
I'd like it if the process of acquiring gear was actually a gameplay thing within itself, more like OSRS I guess but idk how you'd fit that into wow without a whole rework of the entire game's scaling and whatnot
warm plinth
I'm friends. I can be with you.
undone beacon
Gearing rn is just upgrading to get enough stat value/ilvl that your spec doesn'...
But isnt that going to be gearing regardless? If it takes you having 20% haste to not feel like garbage, you’re either trying to upgrade a piece that has haste or pray a haste piece drops. Either way you’re still chasing the stats not the excitement of getting a piece
cerulean tusk
I am pretty sure I can do that fight through full muscle memory to this day
warm plinth
Had a couple pulls where I felt like I was doing alright then just had 3 sets of daggers spawn directly on top of each other with no empty space
solid sun
But isnt that going to be gearing regardless? If it takes you having 20% haste t...
I just equip bigger number pieces because bigger number means better person
cerulean tusk
Yeah, that fight do be like that
then you got that 1/10 runs that you actually feel you got some mastery on, ya get motivated, only to get hit by a 1/10 when you die to being dumb and get demotivated
undone beacon
Making the journey to the gear be more meaningful and not just “go grind M+ for a trillion crests” i agree, but even in expansions without upgradable items it still was the same issue, go grind M+ until your properly statted item drops
solid sun
We just gotta get rid of m+ I guess
undone beacon
Or go back to legion where even if you have the piece you want you gotta farm a titan forge 
round pendant
It's the inherent flaw with wow being a everything starts from fresh every season game
Idk the solution
warm plinth
So I did play in the times when it was "grind x until I get the item"
round pendant
All I know is I don't like farming crests to upgrade meaningless items just for specific stat values
it feels soulless
warm plinth
Like I remember farming for a kilt for my druid from heroic Mana-Tombs for months
solid sun
I played anniversary classic
warm plinth
But once I got it, I got it. I didn't then have to do even more of the dungeon to upgrade the item. I just had the item.
solid sun
We were hunting items fr fr
warm plinth
Not that it's at all acceptable for an item to take months to drop, but it's just insult to injury when you do that and then have to upgrade it too
round pendant
But once I got it, I got it. I didn't then have to do even more of the dungeon ...
Farming BiS is fun for me personally
solid sun
Or the item drops but you’re in a group with other people who also need it
round pendant
farming for crests and then oh I've hit this week's cap and now I have to wait to actually fully "unlock" this item
meh
undone beacon
At least usually in farming that piece you end up with more than enough resources to upgrade it
undone beacon
farming for crests and then oh I've hit this week's cap and now I have to wait t...
Crest caps and that level of optimization feel like shit
warm plinth
Well, after the crest cap is removed, yes
round pendant
crest cap and time gates, cringe
warm plinth
But the unfortunate reality is that the crest cap has to exist.
undone beacon
I hate the start of season “upgrade this but not that because you’re fucking over your crest cap” nonsense
round pendant
osrs has the best gearing out of any mmorpg
undone beacon
I had so much fun the first few weeks of the SL fated season because uncapped crests and farming gear, just fuckin blasting M+ for hours
round pendant
I said it
warm plinth
It's already bad enough trying to do keys at the start of the season (literal 2nd day of S3, you couldn't find a key below +7). It would be far worse if everyone was degen farming crests and skipping immediately to 10-12+
round pendant
but wow is too far into the whole seasonal wipe everything thing for that
undone beacon
Everytime I lay my eyes upon OSRS I want to gouge them out, idk I hate the way that game looks lol
solid sun
It's already bad enough trying to do keys at the start of the season (literal 2n...
This is why we have to have friends
warm plinth
On that subject, they really need to undo the key level squish
round pendant
disagree
warm plinth
Low level keys are completely useless
round pendant
they need to squish it more
solid sun
Everyone should just be doing the key level I need
round pendant
3-5 are useless, 7-9 are useless, cut it down to 3 levels into infinite scaling
undone beacon
If they unsquish then low level keys are even more useless
warm plinth
No, because it means the upgrade tracks can be more spread out
warm plinth
Everything is so compressed right now
round pendant
why do you want them more spread out
warm plinth
Because then there would actually be people doing keys in the low end of the range
round pendant
The only ones that have any use are either the ones that give the most crests of a specific type or the easiest that give the best crest
warm plinth
It's better for the game
undone beacon
Yeah I was gonna say, spreading them out just means longer looking for your one specific key level to get what you need before you move on
warm plinth
It's worse for person A specifically, sure. But it's better in general.
undone beacon
If the max rewards are at +20, more people aren’t going to be doing +6s
round pendant
but we HAD the unsquished version and no one touched anything below like a 15
back then
undone beacon
^
warm plinth
I was able to find alt keys lower than that all the time, what do you mean?
undone beacon
I can find alt keys doing sub 7 keys now though
warm plinth
Obviously the highest percentage of keys is always going to be max vault and max intermediate rewards
Can you? Because I can literally list my own key and not see even a DPS applicant for 10+ minutes
And it's been like that since literally the 2nd day of the season
round pendant
I really don't think it has anything to do with the squish
warm plinth
It does. Because when you can gain exponential power by going up only a few key levels, there's far more incentive to just attempt to skip those few key levels
undone beacon
I spent a bunch of time yesterday on my priest in like +4s, I’ve had little issue getting into or making shitter alt keys. But even then, aside from personal anecdote, flooding the group finder with keys of +2-+10 isn’t going to change the perception of those keys, they’re still going to be shitter alt keys. More varied in their specific number, but it’s the same principle
round pendant
so instead of 2-5 being the first tier of crests, it'd be what, 2-8? I don't remember, so you'd get 1 more key in that range from +3ing keys on your way up
So theoretically you'd get twice as many keys in each bracket
warm plinth
If it's spread out over a broader number of levels, then that same increase requires a lot more levels, making it far less likely without outside help that you can just skip to it.
warm plinth
I'm not talking about shifting perception because perception is objective anyway
I don't care if people like you and me still see them as shitter alt keys
I care about the game being healthier
round pendant
I'm not talking about perception either
warm plinth
I was responding to Pash
round pendant
o
warm plinth
I'm just too lazy to right-click>reply every time
round pendant
yeah I didn't read his post
solid sun
I don’t think all the keys you think are useless are actually useless
round pendant
I think when every key below like 12 has an 80% success rate
or higher
They're mostly useless
The difficult increase per key isn't meaningful at that point
You get a lil bit more crests for doing a 3/4/5 over a 2 sure
warm plinth
Where are you getting that number? If I do +2s, then sure, my success rate is going to be pretty damn high. But if Pash does +2s, he's probably only timing like 10%
👀
warm plinth
round pendant
Also I'm capitalising but not pooping oops
round pendant
Where are you getting that number? If I do +2s, then sure, my success rate is g...
raider.io has stats for success rate per key level for every season
notably it doesn't include abandoned keys
solid sun
There are people who enjoy doing some easy keys and don’t want to push up to even 10
Regardless of success rate, that makes those keys useful
round pendant
Yeah I'm not saying delete that difficulty bracket
well I memed about deleting everything below 12
undone beacon
I think at the end of the day I don’t think spreading the key levels out is going to have any kind of genuine effect on the health of the game, you’re going to see the same amount of keys done in their ranges
round pendant
but I've posted my real suggestion here before
undone beacon
How far do Raider.io stats go back because we can literally go see key completion rates when the scales were different
And maybe my perspective is overly biased and the numbers will prove me wrong but
round pendant
+2-5 = +1 (You can dungeon finder this)
+6-9 = +2 (You can dungeon finder this)
+10-ish = +3 (You can dungeon finder this)
+12+ = m+
undone beacon
I don’t think we’ve seen a meaningful change in keys done in different brackets
round pendant
rewards are the same per bracket
that's my suggestion
I don't see a downside
at all
warm plinth
I am not entirely against having queued M+ for a select range of keys
I think that, with the new low key affix would actually be a boon for the content
round pendant
Just take the average difficulty of each bracket, make it 3 tiers and put it in the dungeon finder
then infinite scaling for normal m+ and it starts at +12 diff
would be good imo
it gets rid of the useless keys in the brackets, funnels people in those brackets into one pool for each bracket
warm plinth
I don't know if I'd start normal that high
round pendant
and keeps the higher end content the same
warm plinth
I'd probably start normal at the level that gives max vault
solid sun
I do think m+ should somehow be decoupled from raiding. I’m fairly confident there’s a fair number of people who would prefer being able to do one or the other
And truthfully I think there are a lot of people who could do one or the other but just copy what the aristocrats do
round pendant
I'd probably start normal at the level that gives max vault
yeah it's just a concept there's prob a better way to do it
warm plinth
I don't know if that's realistically possible without actually fully separating the two. Like my immediate thoughts (granted I'm not clever) would be okay, disable raid trinkets/cantrips in M+. That would fix M+ers having to raid, but raiders would still have to do M+ and raiders will ALWAYS have to do M+ because it's the only repeatable source of gear
undone beacon
yeah it's just a concept there's prob a better way to do it
All suggestions must be fully fleshed out design docs or the council will burn you at the stake
round pendant
I think my idea of two separate tracks on one gear piece for m+ and mythic is good too
undone beacon
I thought you wanted to move away from item tracks though
Also doesn’t that still drive people to do the other content, arguably more?
round pendant
I mean ideally the game would have a whole different gearing system since like cata
I'm just saying for the current system
if you had to level m+ gear up by doing m+ and raid gear by doing raid
but it's the same piece
You could scale and balance that content separately
without the need of two gear sets and annoying things like that
warm plinth
I really loved gearing during the badges era (though please burn relinquished vendors at the stake)
But it won't work for M+ existing
round pendant
Downside is if you do both you might feel like you have to do more work, but if you do both you're already doing more work right now anyway
undone beacon
If I hate raid and a raid trinket is overwhelmingly good for my M+ spec, wouldn’t that mean I now have to do MORE raid since I can only upgrade the raid gear through raiding? Instead of getting it once and upgrading through my preferred content?
round pendant
No you simply wouldn't have raid trinkets be good in m+
warm plinth
You can easily make M+ers not have to raid but it's harder the other way around
round pendant
Since they're on separate tracks, you can have them scale differently based on the content you're in
warm plinth
I mean it could be like PvP as well, where each just has a different set of gear entirely and you get the raid gear from raid and the M+ gear from M+
round pendant
your gear will have different numbers on it in raid (you get raid-balanced gear) and vice versa
warm plinth
Which I think is kinda what you're talking about, just combined into one item
warm plinth
I don't think it woudl really align with their simplicity focus right now though
Since now your gear is this strong in content x, that strong in content y, and that strong in content z
solid sun
I think what you do is as soon as you step foot in either a m+ dungeon or a raid, the other content is fully locked out for that character
undone beacon
Maybe I’m not the best to speak on this because I like raid AND m+, but I’m just not meshing with the concept lol
undone beacon
Level another character for the other content
What is this legion
warm plinth
Okay but, let's be real for a second. Wouldn't it be cool if they would at least ITERATE on shit like this? Like try SOMETHING?
undone beacon
This is why private servers are the GOAT just saying
warm plinth
It doesn't have to be this, but I would like some kind of innovation attempts
round pendant
Maybe I’m not the best to speak on this because I like raid AND m+, but I’m just...
It's the same as it is now though, just lets them adjust the knobs per-content rather than having to broadly balance gear pieces (like trinkets) to be either good in one or trash in both
undone beacon
Having spaces where people can iterate on the game without blizzard oversight, chefs kiss
solid sun
Honestly blizzard using servers for a new gearing iteration aside from the primary game could be neat
If it works well they could just move it over
round pendant
like, raid could have a whole thing where AoE trinkets are nerfed
warm plinth
Yeah just have like full-time PTR where they just throw shit out there for two weeks at a time and see what people like/what works well
round pendant
but they could be cool and stronk in m+
undone beacon
The problem is so many trinkets are generically good stat stick type things
How would you tune antenna? Just make it give you shit crit in M+?
round pendant
and since tweaking the item can be done per-track, they could adjust it in m+ and not affect raid and vice versa
and since the tracks are explicitly on the item, it comes with the intuition that they'd scale different based on the content they're in
rather than just "magically" performing like shit with weird things like soft caps or whatever
undone beacon
Just to clarify, with tracks you mean like I get a normal antenna and it says (Champion (Raid) - 1/8)
round pendant
Something like that yeah
undone beacon
With a rider somewhere that says (This item scales differently in non-raid content)
You can’t trust players to intuit anything, hell people don’t get PVP gear and it’s printed on the box
Also where does world content (lol) factor in
round pendant
Gleep Glorp 2H Axe
2/6 M (Raid) 6/6 M (M+) 1/6 PvP
hold alt or whatever, shows the 3 different sets of numbers
undone beacon
Okay wait I see a vision now
undone beacon
World should just scale to the highest high
warm plinth
Yeah I would agree with that as well
World content doesn't need to be limited in any way
undone beacon
Essentially you can go get your Helmet from any content but to upgrade it for a specific content type (Raid M+ PvP) you need content specific currency?
round pendant
yeah
It might be a lil convoluted but it lets them adjust scaling per-content and not have to think "oh we can't make this m+ trinket too good in raid, make it super whelming in m+"
my ideas are simply the best
mighty valley
Wait so if I raid and do m+ I need to grind two different currencies to max out every piece of gear I have?
round pendant
well you should get enough by simply doing that content as much as you normally would
warm plinth
well, realistically you would get the raid currency by just raiding
round pendant
yeah doing m+ doesn't benefit your raid
warm plinth
which your'e doing anyway
round pendant
but that's the point
you also don't have to raid to max out m+
if you only care about one
warm plinth
I think it would have to be designed where you were not incentivized (aka required) to do normal/heroic raid as a mythic raider to get more currency
round pendant
also they could do stuff like m+ specific tier set bonuses
gimme dat
would be nice for fixing healers in m+
undone beacon
Nope get rid of tier set bonuses again I want azerite 2
imo the only good thing to come out of tier sets getting removed was having armor from raid look like it comes from that raid
warm plinth
Do you guys think tier sets actually look cool on average?
undone beacon
Some of them yeah
Priest set this tier looked fire, same with warlock and shaman
They usually have a few bangers across the classes
Also Evokers get really nice tier sets for a class that can’t even wear them
round pendant
yeah it's comical
Anyway yeah, I'd really like them to just do a survey, poll, test things in PTR
rather than leave it 6 months and then go uhhh yeah we've made this one singular change that doesn't really change much
how long did it take for them to remove valorstones
6 seasons?
round pendant
It's funny though I don't remember them being much of an issue in DF
but they were just annoying in tww
undone beacon
Too focused on how you had to get 15 crest fragments to make a crest
mighty valley
Anyway yeah, I'd really like them to just do a survey, poll, test things in PTR
You want wow to be designed by wow players? Insane
warm plinth
It was kinda weird how it went from we have so many valorstones that we need to make sparks cost valorstones to make, to why do I never have enough valorstones XD
round pendant
idk why they ever thought there had to be two currencies
warm plinth
🤷
round pendant
honestly what if m+ gear scaled infinitely in my system too
ig that'd fuck over title
would be fun gameplay tho
1/6 raid, 20 m+, 1/6 pvp
would be goofy and you'd have to make brackets with caps so you can't just go smash +10s to carry people solo
yeah that's a bad idea
okay not all my ideas are the best
undone beacon
Lemix in retail pog
round pendant
ig you could just cap it to current level + a couple
but yeah I'd rather not have that
eternal glade
trying to setup keybinds for this is proving to be difficult. im also new to wow so that doesnt help
jagged gust
Yeah keybinds on a tank feels like a bit much when you're starting out
You get like +10 automatically by being a tank
eternal glade
yeah, this is what im currently working with. TKL with a FPS mouse. im sure im missing some things. have the single button at the end for when i panic and lose track
elfin garden
use shift and ctrl modifiers
eternal glade
i have some shift mods. ctrl feels too uncomfortable when adding in movement
undone beacon
yeah, this is what im currently working with. TKL with a FPS mouse. im sure im m...
Slam, Rend, Whirlwind, and Hamstring can all be taken off the bar
jagged gust
There's a couple you can drop and one or two you can combine, plus a big tip I always add is put your off gcd abilities one the hand that doesn't do your main rotation
undone beacon
Also in a few days a few buttons are being removed alltogether, like Last Stand and Champions Spear
We typically talent Whirling Blade over Ravager, so thats another keybind you can kill
eternal glade
Also in a few days a few buttons are being removed alltogether, like Last Stand ...
yeah, im just using my time now to sorta grasp the prot warrior role
not investing too too much time
jagged gust
intervene can be macrod with charge
undone beacon
yeah, im just using my time now to sorta grasp the prot warrior role
Fair. It will get a smidge simpler with prepatch on tuesday so keep that in mind
jagged gust
But like intervene hasn't really been used for a while
undone beacon
Yeah I'd swap off Intervene and Ravager, and drop Hamstring/Rend/Whirlwind/Slam from the bar entirely
eternal glade
But like intervene hasn't really been used for a while
i havent even used it, it just exists on the bar lol
jagged gust
Usually the way it goes, every once in a while it's good for boss mechanics
Like Necrotic wake
undone beacon
I dont even take it personally lol
elfin garden
ye like SoB
jagged pier
finally got my last dinar 