P sure it’s the same ppl
#protection
proper roost
i wonder what the exact feeling the bigger addon creators like details etc felt when blizz announced the addonpocalypse
jade hazel
Plater was the only add on that was “heavy” besides WA
proper roost
A fascinating mix of feelings, I'm sure
jade hazel
i wonder what the exact feeling the bigger addon creators like details etc felt ...
WA creator had a post about them closing up shop and it’s just a feeling of disappointment
proper roost
well, not just though
real mix there
it's like, sort of that feeling of being laid off from a job you were at for 10 years
jade hazel
Feel for the Hekili dude lol. I know they worked super hard for it only for Blizzard to be like “that’s a good idea, we’re gonna do that, byeeee”
proper roost
i have had a similar feeling
jade hazel
WA can still stay up for UI stuff and niche things but I don’t think they care to do that (they actually stated so)
jade hazel
I think Max or Dorki are bit misguided saying “why can’t Blizzard just pay the add on creators” and Max said he didn’t know why they can’t and I believe it just goes with the history of Blizzard and Valve with map or add on creators. And the history isn’t bright and never worked out well.
proper roost
yeah that's just really dumb
3rd party modders will always end up floating in the periphery
and obviously the wow addon situation is
complicated to put it lightly
as in, whether they should exist at their capabilities to begin with
jade hazel
It’s not. Anytime a big company tried to work with a sole individual for something in their game never has worked out properly. Seems fine on paper and I’m sure could work for the certain person but, on a big scale it’s not really possible
fathom oasis
Hasnt there been plenty of examples in the industry of modders being hired by the company straight up?
proper roost
yes
jade hazel
Yes
proper roost
but that requires a few important variables
namely, does the person want to work at blizz
lol
fathom oasis
Lol
proper roost
which is... a massive if. Blizzard the company aside, it's game dev
practically every hobbyist modder I know just has a regular tech job and it would be a massive pay downgrade
financially it is stupid
jade hazel
Also sets a weird precedent for your company. If someone makes a good add on or map, how do you decide who gets paid or who gets what or who actually owns what property. It gets super messy.
Doesn’t have to be, but, history has shown it does
fathom oasis
Blizzard just pulls the reverse uno card, stating they own everything related to their IP
jade hazel
“Hey I put that barrel in that map, you owe me 5%”
“Hey I helped you script that, I want a %”
“Hey I actually own the whole thing, fuck off”
And so on
Yeah that has happened
proper roost
that has happened
jade hazel
Counter Strike did that notably with maps
jade hazel
So I don’t blame blizzard
proper roost
that's why I think it would be fascinating to truly know what the devs thought, like, a true cocktail of emotions
fathom oasis
Tbh, individual talent is more prominent in smaller teams, because bigger teams are less about the parts and more about the whole
proper roost
disappointment obviously, sadness that a chapter in your life is over, maybe relief even because you no longer are tied to this sorta-obligation
fathom oasis
That's why most success stories come from stuff like factorio hiring one of the most prominent addon devs at the time
Hearthstone snatching some artist who did some really nice art
Etc
proper roost
but yeah I mean, 99% of the time I think the whole "why doesn't (game company) hire modders" argument is like.... obviously falls apart because of the pay
Like it's just dumb why would you work for a game dev
jade hazel
Tbh
My gaming life got so much better last season when I took audio queues off
Except for the ka Ching
But now that I’m fully expunged of all “combat” add ons, I feel more connected to the game
Because, I have to be
fathom oasis
Because if you like it so much that you are making it for free, wouldnt you like to do that full time and earn a living out of it?
Doesnt have to be forever either
proper roost
they are not "making it for free"
jade hazel
It’s actually been really nice not having the game tell me what to do, and thinking for myself lol. Raid Leader wasn’t happy about not having a frac wa but oh well
fathom oasis
Many modders are
proper roost
and hobbyist coding is completely different from coding on a schedule with a project manager
these are just not comparable things, it's like saying, I love cooking, why don't I cook as a job
jade hazel
Many modders are
Read what I said above. It could be clean like that, but, it’s just not
proper roost
because i can get takeout whenever I don't want to cook 
fathom oasis
Most popular wow addons are too big, I'm not sure they fall under hobby territory
proper roost
cuz people aren't telling me what to cook
cuz people aren't telling me this food isn't good enough try again
cuz people aren't telling me you can't make what you want to make, you have to make this thing that you strongly disagree with
fathom oasis
People are quick to try and profit off of patreon, or similar
jade hazel
Most popular wow addons are too big, I'm not sure they fall under hobby territor...
100% hobby territory. WA creator and details and hekili creators aren’t making salaries off their add ons. May make a bit from like patreon ppl but I can’t imagine that’s a lot considering they don’t have social media followings
fathom oasis
Which I'm totally fine with tbh
proper roost
like........ idk what to say
saying "why wouldn't you want to get paid for it" is so
like 12 year old coded lol
fathom oasis
I wouldn't consider something you get paid for to be a hobby
proper roost
This is all entirely ignoring that they have other jobs
proper roost
Yeah, so you join a game dev, where you're crunched 24/7
jade hazel
I wouldn't consider something you get paid for to be a hobby
I sell toys as a hobby. So by your logic. I’m a professional toys salesmen.
proper roost
right... do you know how software dev jobs work lol
jade hazel
Fuck yeah
proper roost
Yeah, they're competent software devs
They do 
fathom oasis
More assumptions
proper roost
not really, it's pretty easy to get to know a lot of hobbyist modders?
fathom oasis
Someone having a good product does not mean they are easily employable
proper roost
they tend to hang out in nerd ass discords
fathom oasis
Some people cant work in a team to save their lives, for example
proper roost
sorry, so your argument is that an unemployable modder who can't work in a team should just get hired by blizzard where they explicitly have to work under a PM under a deadline and a team
my god
jade hazel
this is the fastest top gear sim ive ever had on a tuesday
no wait?
tf
annnnnnnnnnnd we're taking socket
undone beacon
Its the last week of the season i dont think many people are simming anymore haha
coarse bay
proper roost
i still think that guy is so based
coarse bay
Just disgruntled by the times
proper roost
annnnnnnnnnnd we're taking socket
oh no you have to take a socket on last week of season :((((
coarse bay
I saw a post from a guy that got weakauras midnight usable
And he pretty much said what the weakauras guys said, it needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up
jade hazel
yeah
coarse bay
I dont know anybody that would be like hell ya, lets restart after over 10 years of work
jade hazel
exactly lol
mighty valley
cuz people aren't telling me what to cook
cook pepper steak
warm plinth
I think they would probably have rebuilt it if it would've been at least somehow useful in combat situations, since most use cases were for combat. It's just the fact that 99% of the use cases won't be possible so why rebuild it for the 1%
proper roost
cook pepper steak
no lie idk what pepper steak would entail
just like a skirt with a ton of pepper?
proper roost
i feel like "pepper (anything)" is never quite as black peppery as i'd like
jade hazel
can be any cut
jade hazel
true peppercorn steak is
mighty valley
d'you like spaghetti carbonara? i go crazy with black pepper in there
proper roost
my favorite black pepper-forward food is new england clam chowder with like, way too much pepper
jade hazel
but ppl bitch out on it most of the time
proper roost
that's the type of shit that makes me go yeah, I could see why england waged wars over this
jade hazel
my best friends mom helped raise me and she was british, i still love a piece of white bread and beans bro
shit slaps
proper roost
i've never really jazzed up steak that much tbh, but i also don't really eat beef that much
beef prices 🥴
jade hazel
i was raised on top gear and skins while other ppl were watching nickelodeon lmfao
jade hazel
i've never really jazzed up steak that much tbh, but i also don't really eat bee...
after being a butcher for 10 yrs or so ppl expect you to be an expert at cooking meat? and ppl would think im an elitist but seriously i dont get why people care so much about steak
maybe im jaded, but, its not that special lmao
want it well done? cool. want A1 with your filet? who cares lol
also im literally simming .01 dps differences rn tf am i doin
proper roost
yeah idk a regular steak with some salt and pepper is pretty good
idk if i'd really bother with going more than that
and I always feel like an entire steak is way too rich anyway, i always want like 1/2 at most. too much of a good thing or whatever
jade hazel
if you ever need to cook a steak perfectly, dm me
solid sun
Pwar discord is full of meat eaters with lots of ideas and opinions about meat
proper roost
i have steak opinions but i don't know why people give a shit tbh. it's just meat u cook it w/e
it's like having an opinion on the best way to prep chicken
it's like... why tho. why
proper roost
na, it's about the tribalism thing as nozz mentioned
It's like weird putting your self worth in steak opinions type of shit
also people just finding steak particularly hard to cook is just... weird
jade hazel
cooking in general and baking is super easy
we've just tricked ourselves into believing its hard or have to have 3k$ grill to make good shit
proper roost
i'm mostly convinced there are 5000 "how to cook steak" tutorials because it's like
jade hazel
and OH MY GOD BAKING IS SO FUN AND EASY
proper roost
the only thing a bunch of insecure guys convince themselves they're allowed to cook
jade hazel
I wish I discovered baking earlier in life
proper roost
Baking rules, I wish I had discovered casseroles earlier in life
jade hazel
I can make so much cool delicious shit so easily and ppl are like "oH mYgAwd"
literally instant re-invitation to anywhere
just bake something
proper roost
this is not always true in my experience 
i made a really good flan once and it was passed over for the frickin storebought cookies
it was legitimately quite good flan
proper roost
but i think people did not want to go through the effort of serving themselves a bit of flan over
grabbing a cookie
which is fair!! but i slaved over that flan!!
😠
jade hazel
my Columbian friend has a spot and makes flan in house and gave me his recipe
probably murder me for even saying that tbh
toxic pewter
Love me some flan
proper roost
stg apb
undone beacon
Stop touching grass
toxic pewter
Lmao
toxic pewter
undone beacon
Mods, he’s escaped containment
toxic pewter
I DID IT
proper roost
i hate apb dude
solid sun
That’s not even you
proper roost
i'm gonna kill him with hammers
toxic pewter
I killed my ego so it’s sort of true like what even is you
Or me or I
We are all one
Best song just came on randomly
LOL
jade hazel
Stop touching grass
What
coarse bay
If you turn up your graphics settings, there’s plenty of grass in the open world, do you play with low settings?
proper roost
check out this car
dusky canopy
proper roost
urban bane
Nice! Enjoy the walk
fathom oasis
Mods, he’s escaped containment
toxic pewter
Nice! Enjoy the walk
Thank you!
cerulean tusk
check out this car
jade hazel
I read this and either can’t read or don’t understand. How is this headline correct? https://www.wowhead.com/news/addons-continue-to-provide-a-massive-advantage-in-midnight-despite-blizzards-379870
“add ons make a difference, but, don’t” 
coarse bay
Wowhead clickbait titles lmao
proper roost
wowhead articles
you see the guy in #1423009078099185674 who keeps posting meaningless beta tank tier lists
Same shit
jade hazel
HONEY GRAB YOUR RED PANTIES THERES TIER LISTS OUT
proper roost
same guy is like "these tier lists are for the top 1% not me"
and it's like
i dunno
the lack of self awareness on new players sometimes
coarse bay
As if top players are using tier lists either
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
as of rn tierlists seem to have Prot Warrior on A Tier, while Prot Pala and VHD are S Tier but at the end these kinda tierlists are made for the 1% of playerbase tho, and barely anyone is able to compete with that
coarse bay
Lmao
Im pretty sure every tank in beta is riddled with bugs
Ppal is benefiting quite a bit from it
Idk tier lists are completely useless at any point. There can be a strong class that isnt in the meta
proper roost
we tried to tell him that but he keeps posting them
i think it's actually impossible to put yourself back in the shoes of what newbies might be thinking
coarse bay
I actually havent stepped foot in any midnight channels
Tbh ill let others figure things out and the sims be solved
coarse bay
I love being devils advocate and fighting the doom
proper roost
i aggressively do not know anything about any spec for prepatch
tuesday will be exciting
cam should i play my priest or my rdruid
proper roost
I've never seen prot doom
??? were you not here for most of df
and like a lot of tww
It kinda ruled tbh. dead channel + you get the occasional person showing up being like "so pwar is the worst tank huh" and then leaving because no one would take their bait
coarse bay
cam should i play my priest or my rdruid
Druid
jagged gust
Sounds silly, prot has been like basically S tier all of tww
proper roost
You were definitely here in DF
coarse bay
Sounds silly, prot has been like basically S tier all of tww
Well ackchtually
proper roost
I remember you being here in DF
And pwar was not good for a lot of DF, it was literally the worst tank in s2 DF
by a lot, too
coarse bay
Id place warrior as A tier in s1
coarse bay
It was good at the start
proper roost
i pray for those times again
jagged gust
DF did feels pretty bad not being a god comp tank
proper roost
i've played for a really long time, no players of any spec doom uniquely
jagged gust
But like, monk existed
proper roost
they're all the same
Pwar players are not any less whiny
You just forget what S2 DF was like
BrM was 2nd best tank in that season btw (because they did #1 dps by a lot)
so you're yet again forgretting
jagged gust
Whaaaaat
proper roost
that was bear/hpal/fire mage/spriest/boomkin season
jagged gust
Istg outside of raid wasn't monk like outright 1-2 key levels lower at the highest keys?
proper roost
sry, not boomkin
i can't remember who was 5th slot
No lol
Pwar was like 4 key levels lower than all the other tanks
You actually don't remember
jagged gust
I literally don't lmao
proper roost
pwar players were the whiniest nerds
no one is any better
than anyone else
they all whine
coarse bay
sry, not boomkin
i can't remember who was 5th slot
Aug
jagged gust
Wasn't the 5th Aug?
coarse bay
Or was that after
coarse bay
The comp u listed was aug tho
proper roost
that was aug comp
jagged gust
The augod comp, if you will
proper roost
and the other 4 were extremely locked, it was like the most rigid M+ meta ever
i got like 400 extra io just from fotming my hpal that season
jagged gust
Dude hpal was nuts
coarse bay
Ya that has to be one of the most locked for sure
Im curious what the meta comp couldve been in legion
People didnt really reroll meta in legion, at least not as much
proper roost
was sorta difficult because of legendaries
I didn't play after ToS but i rerolled bdk for ToS
coarse bay
Ya it mustve been between bdk and probs vdh later on
proper roost
ppal was just too cooked on kj (it was not even a massive upgrade, i was just tilted)
coarse bay
I remember early vdh was a little booty
My group ran a bdk
I think the game is much better now overall, but i miss when it was much more bring the player instead of bring the class
proper roost
i mean legion keys were very bad
jagged gust
I've been technically raiding since tier 5, we'd stacked the entire raid in swp with hunters and locks
proper roost
I assume bfa keys were kinda ok because i have heard some ok things about them
but i think i preemptively quit when I heard about all the tank shit going on gcd in bfa
did not like the game becoming easier!!! ironic compared to midnight
jagged gust
Imagine putting demo shout on the gcd smh my head
proper roost
I think demo shout being on gcd is still disgusting and gross and bad
jagged gust
It feels so wrong
proper roost
but I also thought devastator becoming baseline sucked which I guess I'm the only person with this bad take left anymore
coarse bay
The bit of bfa i played i was brew and outlaw, and i enjoyed both so i think my bfa experience was mostly positive because of that
I didnt like azerite stuff though
Bring back 6 tier slots so that we need to juggle 4 pc 2 pc lmao
jagged gust
Azerite was tiresome after legion, the bit got old
coarse bay
For me it wasnt even farming as much as the armor was kinda lame to me
Although the idea of islands was cool af to me and they flopped so hard
Like the whole idea for the azerite armor was to offer a bunch of options and variations
But you still had locked in picks so it didnt change anything
I dont get why blizzard likes to include absolutely dud talents/embellishments/anything
jagged gust
It's the magic the gathering 3 players thing
You gotta have the weird stuff for Johnny to enjoy trying to make it work
unreal yarrow
Spike still wants choices
dusty terrace
anyone has a good MT m+ talent build? or is wowhead correct and up to date? 😄
coarse bay
anyone has a good MT m+ talent build? or is wowhead correct and up to date? 😄
Wowhead is a good choice
dusty terrace
so you rather want [Brutal Vitality] over [Fueled by Violence]?
mighty valley
I've never seen prot doom
weren't you here for shadowlands?
proper roost
he's been around when pwar has been garbage
coarse bay
so you rather want [Brutal Vitality] over [Fueled by Violence]?
Fueled by violence doesnt give as much value on MT as collosus
proper roost
he's just forgetting when people here were dooming all the time
which i might remind literally was all of DF lol 💀
mighty valley
also there's pwarr dooming basically every ptr cycle where we have changes, everyone thought the tww s2 changes would kill us
(to be fair the first changelist would have lol)
vital egret
Hey, quick question - I'm filling in for a guild who's at like 3x pct p3 mythic dimensius on my protection warrior. I played BDK for progression, and im wondering what the best praxis is for dealing with shadowquake rings - obviously i should have Shield wall for each one, but im curious as to what cadence PWars like getting hit with - i could kind of just yolo as a bdk with ams, but should i look to take 2 then let the debuff drop, or all 3 in a short window with Shield wall, stacked IP, and potentially smth else up as well?
mighty valley
I read this and either can’t read or don’t understand. *How* is this headline co...
i don't see how this is confusing? "blizzard kept saying they were trying to make addons not a competitive advantage. however, they are. ergo, they have failed in their goals"
proper roost
i actually just skimmed this based on what harrow said and I have to agree
nozz you might just be stupid
coarse bay
i don't see how this is confusing? "blizzard kept saying they were trying to mak...
Even if they implemented every addon into the base game, people would have an advantage just by going out of their way to optimize everything
mighty valley
yeah i'm not saying i agree or disagree with the thesis of the article, i haven't even played on beta, with or without addons
coarse bay
And i agree 100% that blizzard failed
mighty valley
but the headline makes a pretty simple claim
coarse bay
I expected a lot from the addon restrictions, but midnight looks almost the exact same minus omnicd and a few little things
proper roost
so basically the takeaway is that addons will mostly continue to exist (i.e. required to play at a decent level due to competitive advantage), just in a lesser capacity
which is... I... thought what everyone expected
jagged gust
weren't you here for shadowlands?
No I played surv for half a season and decided holy shit this xpac sucks 😔
proper roost
No I played surv for half a season and decided holy shit this xpac sucks 😔
uhh? survival in s4 sl ruled?
horrible take...
mighty valley
shame, surv became the most busted dps in the game
proper roost
i bombed
jagged gust
Yeah but I quit in s1
mighty valley
if only you'd all had positive mindsets like apb
proper roost
L take nerd
mighty valley
could've enjoyed shadowlands
jagged gust
Nah, I did the first quest zone and it put a permanent scowl on my face
mighty valley
the parts that unambiguously sucked basically didn't affect me so i was chillin
proper roost
I forced myself through like one torghast and I was like wowee this is hot ass
mighty valley
I forced myself through like one torghast and I was like wowee this is hot ass
get a wife
best way to enjoy torghast
proper roost
I don't enjoy playing WoW with SOs
coarse bay
I forced myself through like one torghast and I was like wowee this is hot ass
I went through and did a bunch of shadowlands earlier this season, including a ton of torghast
It isnt bad when u one shot everything
coarse bay
Ya i barely hit max lvl and quit in shadowlands on release 😂
proper roost
It was alright in s4 I did it on my hunter after I was like
nearly maxed gear for the season
mighty valley
from s2 onwards they made torghast trivial and it was fine
proper roost
Well
mighty valley
still annoying to do on the regular
proper roost
they shouldn't have made it dog ass in week 1 lmao
mighty valley
they just bit off more than they could chew imo
proper roost
because that's when I did it once on my ppal and once on my mage and then I went ah, nah, never again
coarse bay
Something about walking around in the maw caused permanent damage to my soul
proper roost
i was also very soured from the entire "here, don't you remember (xyz old character)?? here's old character!!!"
like I didn't care about the story
but that really actually killed me
AND YEAH IDK
they made Shadowlands diegetically shitty to play in!!! doesn't that rule
coarse bay
They first want us to not have flying, then they say we can have flying at the end of the expac, and then they tried taking our ground mounts
jagged gust
Wait guys, someone actually had a question earlier
proper roost
me when I am a very smart game designer:
mighty valley
a well balanced roguelike-inspired dungeon crawl for 36 specs? that every player wants to do at max difficulty for power rewards? regardless of skill?
coarse bay
Wait guys, someone actually had a question earlier
I know but im unqualified unless i dig through logs
I am, in fact, not tanking dimmy on a pwar
proper roost
bro asked for m dimmy advice on pwar alt in the final week
it's cooked chat i'm afraid
- it almost certainly does not even remotely matter the answer (the implication of their question is that it doesn't matter and they already know how to solve it, just not perfectly)
undone beacon
me when i ask for advice in a class discord
jagged gust
As long as we're still trying
undone beacon
"sorry chat its cooked"
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
coarse bay
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
I was looking for that but u beat me to it
undone beacon
its my fav thing ngl
proper roost
me when i ask for advice in a class discord
best i can do is to tell you to press shield block more often, sry
jagged gust
Tbf that's gonna be the most commented advice here in about 2 months
proper roost
It could be worse
Every time I asked a question in rsham discord someone told me to reroll rdruid
solid sun
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
warm plinth
I love that this is continuing
proper roost
I've learned of a great new meme
but idk if I can post it here
I will post it contextless in ghashs discord
vital egret
+ it almost certainly does not even remotely matter the answer (the implication ...
i mean i can look at logs now im home but i wasnt gonna do that at work lol was hoping for some input
proper roost
I feel you, just saying its prob cooked I'm afraid
basically anyone who was good stopped playin like a couple months ago
toxic pewter
get a wife
that my next proactive positive optimistic goal
toxic pewter
but idk if I can post it here
I will post it contextless in ghashs discord
post it
proper roost
i think it may actually be against server rules
you'll just have to do keys with ghash to find it
ghash said "what"
👍
vital egret
basically anyone who was good stopped playin like a couple months ago
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
coarse bay
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the inter...
You can start pinging some people and try your luck
But lots of people have been on break for months, and only a week left
coarse bay
Gl king
vital egret
prot WAS my amin until dimensius so hopefulyl its not too scuff
proper roost
you got this
round pendant
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
Came here for slop info...nice to see it’s the same old Prot as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
coarse bay
||Came here for slop info...nice to see it’s the same old Prot as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.||
toxic pewter
Cant spell slop without o and p……….
PROT CONFIRMED OVERPOWERED IN MIDNIGHT ITS ALL BUT CONFIRMED U HERD IT HEAR FIRST
proper roost
i hope you slip cartoonishly on some ice and you go WOHWOHOAHOHO
before you land straight on your butt
toxic pewter
round pendant
I wonder if we're ever getting The Expanse s7-9
That's when we know we're back on the good timeline
proper roost
the expanse had 6 seasons? i thought that was one of the shows that got insta cancelled
mighty valley
It moved network and it had the feeling of slowly reducing budget but it reached an ending
Amos my beloved
proper roost
I think I was getting the expanse confused with the other like 3 cult classic scifi star trek-likes
there's firefly and there's also uh
the seth mcfarlane shit
i'm still unconvinced firefly is good. i'm pretty sure people only like it because nathan filion is hot
proper roost
see now you can see why I got confused
the names of all 3 of these shows is basically the exact same
one is a popcorn manufacturer
coarse bay
How about farscape
proper roost
and all 3 of them are Dudes on a Spaceship
Going through space
doing Star Trek shit
these are all just star trek for millennials!!!
coarse bay
Millennials are old
round pendant
The Expanse is nothing like star trek
round pendant
i'm still unconvinced firefly is good. i'm pretty sure people only like it becau...
You mean morena baccarin right looking
proper roost
I legitimately don't know anyone else in that show except nathan filion
I'll look this person up
yowza
No sorry I did mean nathan filion. I don't think anyone talks about this actress
proper roost
The Expanse is nothing like star trek
they're on a spaceship and they solve peoples' problems
That's star trek buddy
round pendant
they're on a spaceship and they solve peoples' problems
They are definitely on a spaceship and solve some problems
you win
proper roost
yay!
proper roost
also that's not a bad thing
i didn't say it was a bad thing
I love star trek (ds9 only, aka the only one where they aren't on a spaceship and go places to solve problems)
orchid mural
Hi guys, looking for some insight. It's hard to keep track with all the addon changes, and I am wondering if there is a way to keep a current UI feature I use.
The pic shows 3 bars - yellow is shield block, blue is ignore pain, and the teal colour is spell reflect. It's a basic buff tracker, and is actually a Weak Aura that duplicated a simple addon from WoD that was called ProtWarBar.
I've been playing with these simple bars since WoD (2015 - and ignore pain was shield barrier!) The addon eventually died and I remade it in WA.
Is there a chance that this functionality is still there in Midnight? I realize it's ugly, I'm also aware many feel we don't need to track Ignore Pain, but I have some visual handicaps that makes this very nice for me, and well, been using it for 10 years.
Any hope?
proper roost
i'm pretty sure you can just do it with default ui straight up in midnight\
orchid mural
i'm pretty sure you can just do it with default ui straight up in midnight\
think we'll be able to change the bar colour ever in the base cooldown manager?
proper roost
i do not know the details but i'd be surprised if you couldn't
mighty valley
I love star trek (ds9 only, aka the only one where they aren't on a spaceship an...
damn ds9 is the best one. soon i'll start saying things like "common kanga w"
i also think you're right that firefly isn't as good as 2000s internet geeks thought it was
proper roost
well
ok people are gonna hate me for this but i don't like the earlier star treks because they don't have jadzia dax
That's not what I was actually going to type, I cowarded out on that one a bit
i don't really like the early star treks because half of it is just like kirk going around banging random aliens 💀 it's weird!
mighty valley
it's so funny that one of the most beloved episodes of the original series is
kirk and spock go back in time, kirk starts hooking up with some 1930s lady
he finds out that hitler wins if she doesn't die so after banging her one last time he makes sure she gets hit by a car
cool stuff man
proper roost
i think all of my other star trek opinions are irrelevant because i don't really know or care about the earlier star treks
anyway, I think all 3 of those shows are just star trek but for millennials
I know the expanse is not and it's based on a book series but it's funnier to say that it's just star trek
proper roost
i think all of my other star trek opinions are irrelevant because i don't really...
i actually have more now that I think about it but they might either be bad takes or too based for this server
are the captain kirk star treks kinda colonialist? why does it kinda give that vibe? idk. nevermind
proper roost
I think the federation kinda sucks idk
proper roost
Currently watching stargate atlantis
Is that the show where the guy is like "your cool scifi spear-blasters are neat, but have you seen this shit?" and whips out an uzi
toxic pewter
Lol kinda yeah
proper roost
I think I might be confusing stargate and battlestar galactica. They're basically the same show
toxic pewter
Stargate in general pretty good to be honest
Well stargate actually uses like military with human weapons and stuff
proper roost
oh ok it's probably stargate then
toxic pewter
Star treks all good I’m actually enterprise fan which most don’t like
proper roost
That one clip is literally the only thing I know about that show
toxic pewter
Stargate all based off a movie from the 90s called stargate
With kurt Russel
I also watched the show Farscape not long ago. I enjoyed that one too
proper roost
why do all these fucking scifi shows all have the same names man
proper roost
i should watch more traditional media
all i watch is youtube now and u literally cant talk to normal people about that
smh
mighty valley
tng has some great episodes but
you gotta have a guide
to tell you which garbo episodes to skip
proper roost
i mean it was the same with ds9 tbh
Stopped watching in like season 3 because shit was dragging and they
kept character assassinating dax
and then i read behind the scenes on how the producers treated the actress and i went nah
proper roost
yes I did stop watching right before the point where everyone says it gets good
mighty valley
ok yeah he's still alive, he hasn't won the challenge yet
proper roost
like the entire point of watching ds9
proper roost
well i think the episode that made me start checking out was the one where they had her inexplicably in a towel for the first like 10 minutes
Character assassination
mighty valley
the funniest part is how they think dax is the eye candy for men
and bashir is the eye candy for women
WHOOPS
UH OH
YOU MADE MISTAKES GANG
proper roost
i just think i will commit incredible violence on anyone who says star trek was ahead of its time or whatever
mighty valley
for every episode that is kinda progressive
there are 20 where the creepiest old men from the 60s write out their fantasies
once again i got automodded for typing h*rny
proper roost
💀
chilly brook
Star Trek is goated
round pendant
he finds out that hitler wins if she doesn't die so after banging her one last t...
that can't be real
proper roost
its star trek there are like 5 billion episodes
I would believe literally any plot summary
Its like dr. who
People can make up any episode of dr. who and I'll just assume its real
Like the episode of dr. who where he beats tf up out of a refugee who is also a terrorist to save space eurovision and thats how genocide is solved
Am I lying? is it a real episode? who knows
i mean, I knows. but whatever
mighty valley
that can't be real <:keks:936231610850897992>
"While in the past, Kirk falls in love with Edith Keeler (Joan Collins), a soup kitchen operator who dreams of a future much like his own 23rd century. Spock eventually discovers that McCoy had changed the course of history by saving Keeler from dying in a traffic collision. Much to his personal grief, Kirk allows the crash to take place, restoring history."
completely real
proper roost
tfw you gotta let the baddie die because it'll cause a baddie...
oh wow, harlan ellison wrote that
Neat!
mighty valley
we're no longer asking "would you kill baby hitler"
we're asking "how many baddies would you let die to stop hitler"
untold tangle
With kurt Russel
And James Spader!
toxic pewter
And James Spader!
Yes of course
neon elk
Yo guys, do we know when will they remove valorstones/crests and options to upgrade gear ? Still need a few tmogs on alts
jade hazel
Yo guys, do we know when will they remove valorstones/crests and options to upgr...
So idk how vstones/crests relate to mogs but yes they are going away come midnight (vstones are gone/crests system reset). Idk how it’ll work next week with the squish with upgrading but any time gated achievements mogs/mounts like AOTC/ksm will be locked Tuesday.
neon elk
Need crests for various upgrades of same item to get more tmog ( like hero item can provide both hero and mythic tmog) . Its easier to get 1 item and upgrade it than to get same item on 2 diff tracks
jade hazel
I mean I finished out all the sets just last week
You can still do it
Just gonna be a grind, idk how it’ll work with tier upgrades next week
neon elk
I still need belt on paly and that mofo aint dropin
jade hazel
I still need belt on paly and that mofo aint dropin
Which version? Cause we should/do have enough charges to convert everything to get set. I’ve bought items from the Murloc beside bran/converted/upgraded, bought missing items from the AH and did the same or with the pinnacle cache/wq to depending on its track
I hated on this set, but it’s grown on me and I love every color lol
neon elk
Need hero/myth , dont wanna overspend on it tho
proper roost
overspend? 🤔
jade hazel
Need hero/myth , dont wanna overspend on it tho
Probably best bet is farming tier 8s/pinnacle caches on alts for hero boots to convert
That was the last one I needed
neon elk
Yea farming from 6 and up but its hella annoying to have everything but that belt ngl
jade hazel
I got all the wrists first and was like damn it lol
Can’t even see them lol
Liked the set so much I got into PvP 
proper roost
why would you farm level 6 delves
proper roost
is it
it's just a live service game in early alpha
i'm sure it'll pick back up once it's got more updates
round pendant
sub 1k is dire even for that considering they peaked at like 40k
proper roost
Dunno
round pendant
but yea maybe
proper roost
They're probably still very happy they have that amount
making it as a game dev is hard
I just always think this about helldivers 2
people are like "waow dead gaem it has 20k instead of 150k" and it's like
Dude, their previous game had like 2k players ever
If they have 5k consistent players on a trough they'd be ecstatic
round pendant
20k concurrent isn't dead
it's pretty healthy
700 for a 5man game is a bit dire tho and I want the game to be very successful
as I want to stop giving blizzard money just to play m+
lmao
proper roost
i would play fellowship with you yam
round pendant
I didn't put my money where my mouth is though, I don't buy early access
round pendant
I thought that was a foot at first
round pendant
.......
round pendant
You're the one making it weird rn
solid sun
I believe in you, Cammy
coarse bay
I was gonna ask what character to try it on but i tried them all a couple of tries, made it furthest on pwar
solid sun
You got this
coarse bay
Thank you sir
proper roost
is the delve boss different from kyreza or w/e
coarse bay
No it is kyvezza
proper roost
I literally dont know how her stupid 1 shot works
i'm clearly missing something but i've been dead from her oneshot every time
coarse bay
After a couple of tries i stopped being able to track the moving cup mechanic i had no sleep
proper roost
except on my pwar where cloak procced for it
coarse bay
Every mechanic is 1 shot
solid sun
It’s been a minute but basically you just gotta kill her before she kills you
proper roost
every mechanic is 1shot yea but i couldn't tell what was 1shotting me exactly
it wasn't the lines
so idk
and i cba to look up a delve boss!!
so i have just bruteforced it every time
round pendant
bring the bosses health down to zero before yours hits zero
coarse bay
True, guides are for people that… use guides. That isnt us
I wish i had the power of that prot info guy, to just pop in and become immortalized
And he doesnt even know it
proper roost
at least u only have to get her like 40% or whatever before she peaces out
i guess this is not for the actual boss
but idc about doing the actual boss
cosmetics 🤮 !!!
coarse bay
Fomo achievement
I did it last minute on my warrior last season too, but was easier
As good a time as any to start playing a bit again
coarse bay
I had a new mount when i logged in last night, i can only assume its the 6 month sub mount
jagged pier
12 month sub
proper roost
Nice
round pendant
Must’ve been for my birthday <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
happy birthday
whenever that was
toxic pewter
happy birthday
Thx so much it’s today
undone beacon
Look at the ghosties and dont stand in lines easy game
undone beacon
Thx so much it’s today
toxic pewter
I’m so old
round pendant
Turning 18 I see
30 
toxic pewter
23.. spry….
proper roost
30 <:critcake:984549832511344640>
baby lol
round pendant
This is the only place where I don't get called a boomer
proper roost
i read a thing earlier the other day which said avg wow player age is ~31/32
Oldge
round pendant
Yeah that tracks
proper roost
Not sure if that was aggregated over all versions though
classic skews much older I think
retail still has zoomers like cam
toxic pewter
Happy birthday apb. I hope you break your leg
Thank you. That the nicest message I got so far
toxic pewter
coarse bay
Look at the ghosties and dont stand in lines easy game
I was doing it fine within a couple of tries going blind, but after a couple of times at the shuffle part i was too tired to track the right one
undone beacon
Yeahhh the shuffle part fucking sucked tbh
coarse bay
Like thats the only part i need to lock in, the rest is ez
There wasnt any shuffling on Nk
proper roost
have you tried just doing good dps instead of doing bad dps
and using cloak proc to tank through the oneshot
coarse bay
I got oneshot on pwar with no proc
But its the only tank i tried since the rest have bad ST
proper roost
press shield wall!!!
coarse bay
I tried fdk and ret too
proper roost
just do it with someone else so they can kill the boss for you while you afk
coarse bay
Ill probably go back to pwar and just finish it after work
undone beacon
Failing the shuffle does like 18 billion damage
coarse bay
It took me 2 times getting there to realize what it was lmao
mighty valley
HAPPY BIRTHDAY APB jesus christ i thought you'd be way older
hope you do something nice
solid sun
What’s a black pill
undone beacon
To be completely fair I made up the number 23 so if I guessed right then thats giga
proper roost
like a 80% chance that the taters get to guys that age
I still hope he grievously injures himself though
mighty valley
What’s a black pill
when someone says they're "blackpilled" they mean they have decided the world is somehow fundamentally flawed and there's no fixing it
often the flaw is "women don't like me"
solid sun
That’s not at all what I would have guessed
mighty valley
it's the doomer version of redpilled
solid sun
I thought redpilled was far right
jade hazel
Blue pill = purple hair fem boy, red pill = giga chad facebook god
mighty valley
the definitions have all blurred a little but red pill people were generally about "i have woken up from the fake world and now i know the truth: i hate women"
jade hazel
actually lol'd holy shit
mighty valley
and of course there's overlap in far right and hating women so you were pretty much right, rhino
solid sun
lol
undone beacon
Blue pill = purple hair fem boy, red pill = giga chad facebook god
You either die a bluepilled purple hair tumblr femboy or live to become a redpilled facebook boomer overlord?
jade hazel
yes
mighty valley
yeah definitely
jade hazel
I actually struggle talking to my grandparents. Straight up believe stuff like the government engineered hurricanes to hit them...
undone beacon
batman is orphanpilled darknessmaxxing heroslop pinterest user
mighty valley
he has a black and white crying in the rain anime guy avatar (THAT'S NOT WHAT MINE IS) on his alt account
undone beacon
I actually struggle talking to my grandparents. Straight up believe stuff like t...
This is my favorite batshit conspiracy ngl lolol
solid sun
The parenthetical is legendary
undone beacon
he has a black and white crying in the rain anime guy avatar (THAT'S NOT WHAT MI...
what is yours then
mighty valley
it's from the tatami galaxy, a cool and funny manga for well-adjusted people
solid sun
Harrow’s pfp reminds me of Brandon Boyd
undone beacon
im assuming by the fact you had to clarify its for well adjusted people that its actually not cool nor funny nor for well adjusted people
solid sun
Well it’s a manga so
mighty valley
pash... im normal... im smart...
solid sun
(I’m sorry)
undone beacon
I'm cool and epic i swear guys im sexy af i SWEAR
solid sun
That’s true
proper roost
i'm blackpilled about the internet and privacy but i think that's just the sane thing to be
mighty valley
yeah i'm kinda there too
by the time anyone gave a shit it was way too late already
solid sun
It just comes across as racist everytime I read it
proper roost
🤨 what
proper roost
unironically how could the term blackpilled ever have any connotations like that
your brain would have to go through so many already fucked up hoops to make something like that up
solid sun
Not really
solid sun
I’ve seen many people use _____pilled as like a reference to something being geared towards or referencing that thing
proper roost
yeah that's why when people say they're redpilled, they just mean they really like red dye #5
solid sun
Maybe
solid sun
Some internet miscreant like you typing “black” is immediately suspect
You are not to be trusted
proper roost
🤔
Honestly, that's fair
I automatically assume all wow players are bigoted off rip
more often than not correct!
round pendant
You said "black" therefore it's about skin colour
proper roost
"internet miscreant" kinda has me kicking my legs happily tho
round pendant
simple as
proper roost
I've been nice to you!!!
round pendant
It's not about you
round pendant
I have no problem with you rhino
proper roost
:(
solid sun
Except we both feel bad that their healer would be better off playing something besides holy
proper roost
i think rhino doesn't get along with anyone in here except nimchip
ever since they came back they only ever argue with ppl
round pendant
I don't have a problem with anyone here
but I'm working on being a less critical snarky person
and this chat tests that sometimes
but I prevail
solid sun
Nah I get along with most of the regulars here
proper roost
but I'm working on being a less critical snarky person
permission to make a joke
round pendant
granted
proper roost
you're british
round pendant
yeah I know
proper roost
you're just describing being british
round pendant
it's tough going against my nature
I just want to be nice but still capable of bantering
but sometimes I say snarky shit that's a bit mean spirited
but I'm learnding
round pendant
More about my own feelings when I say or think the things rather than any specific outcome
proper roost
i think you should be allowed to be a little evil
mighty valley
what yam's trying to say is he's a redpilled blackpilled far right climate control truther and none of us know what the fuck we're talking about
proper roost
that would be SO based
round pendant
ya got me
proper roost
i hope there's like at least one tate loser in here
among the regulars
I kinda feel it in my bones, there's a joe rogan listener
the correct word trigger will activate them, like a sleeper agent
round pendant
i think you should be allowed to be a little evil
I don't want to be evil 
round pendant
how old are you kanga
proper roost
older than you
round pendant
jesus
proper roost
round pendant
You're basically a fossil, then
undone beacon
Buncha fuckin ancient creatures in this chat
lusty grotto
so uhh
undone beacon
Its like a window into the cretaceous period
lusty grotto
i thought tater was potato chips
round pendant
are tater tots the children he's brainrotting?
proper roost
I just realized that “tater” was someone who watches Andrew Tate
it's fun to make up new words
i'm basically the modern shakespeare or whatever
undone beacon
i need a tl;dr, i just tabbed into this
Explaining blackpill to rhino, which then became normal yam/kanga banter
lusty grotto
ngl i saw "blackpill" for the first time a couple of weeks ago
im still not sure what it is
solid sun
I’m not alone!
lusty grotto
kinda feels like its doomer/emo shit
round pendant
it means to have a nihilistic perspective on something
undone beacon
Do I spend too much time on the internet or do y'all spend not enough time
undone beacon
kinda feels like its doomer/emo shit
thats exactly it, doomer shit
lusty grotto
yes
thank god my ripe old age hasnt slowed me down
but yeah i guess yam's definition might be more correct
solid sun
Apparently it often includes hating women
round pendant
Well it just originates from incel "culture"
lusty grotto
so uhh anyway, i was hopping on cause i just realized i havent done a tazavesh hm and its a seasonal achievement and id rather do it this week than next
undone beacon
Blackpill and incels go hand in hand
lusty grotto
Well it just originates from incel "culture"
figures
undone beacon
so uhh anyway, i was hopping on cause i just realized i havent done a tazavesh h...
oh shit you're right
I gotta do that
undone beacon
I'll do it right now lmao
lusty grotto
sir im working
proper roost
I need a show or movie to watch
watch ds9
undone beacon
I'm just listening in to a change managment meeting
round pendant
but X-pilled became just kinda common internet lingo
proper roost
watch pluribus idk
round pendant
watch pluribus idk
seen it
undone beacon
sir im working
@ me later I'll be around
lusty grotto
pluribus is so good
proper roost
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lusty grotto
ill totally be the french guy
lusty grotto
best character ever
undone beacon
I refuse to get appletv+ or whatever it is and ive been too lazy to pirate it
round pendant
ill totally be the french guy
idk if I can say what I want without getting automodded
lusty grotto
I refuse to get appletv+ or whatever it is and ive been too lazy to pirate it
sir dont be lazy
round pendant
Pluribus was okayge
lusty grotto
hmmm
round pendant
I'd give it a 7.5
lusty grotto
ok yam i know where youre going with it
round pendant
maybe an 8 depending on my mood
lusty grotto
well i think...
undone beacon
i'm illiterate
lusty grotto
lmao i got automodded
round pendant
yup
proper roost
Owned
lusty grotto
yam if youre thinking what im thinking... thats for post coomy clarity (and 500% guilt)
lmao
that didnt
undone beacon
I have no context for this and i think thats a good thing
I gotta go watch pluribus frfr
round pendant
"post coomy clarity"
lusty grotto
yeah ima not spoil it
round pendant
Pluribus
undone beacon
The only thing i know about it is there was that viral moment where an ad for it showed up on some woman's smart fridge and sent her into a psychotic episode or smthn
round pendant
buy me dinner first
lusty grotto
AHHHHHH
proper roost
The only thing i know about it is there was that viral moment where an ad for it...
i don't think the last half of that happened, but yeah, great story. this is also the only thing i know about pluribus
lusty grotto
i need mind bleach
proper roost
i got u
round pendant
lmao
undone beacon
i don't think the last half of that happened, but yeah, great story. this is als...
I only saw it in passing so I might've gotten the more sensationalized version of the story
proper roost
lusty grotto
oh shit
round pendant
The only thing i know about it is there was that viral moment where an ad for it...
My appliances already talk to me so the advertisement was just another day
undone beacon
Came here for Pluribus info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
coarse bay
Came here for book recommendation info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
lusty grotto
Came here for book recommendation info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
alright that's about it i don't really care to look for more cats in my saved pictures
lusty grotto
thats a quality copy pasta Cammy
proper roost
read butcher's crossing @round pendant
undone beacon
Did someone say cats in my saved pictures
solid sun
proper roost
no. shut up pash
undone beacon
my cat pic wont send anyways
it'll randomly load in like three hours with no context
proper roost
i mean do cat pics ever need context
proper roost
here's one more to erase pash's
proper roost
i didn't say they were my cats smh
they are cats which reside in my phone
i have many of them
possibly too many
lusty grotto
after much consideration ive decided that i still would be the french guy @round pendant
if only because i can do shit like a casino royale RP
lets leave the other stuff out of it
solid sun
Do you do much role playing
proper roost
it's fun you should try
proper roost
i should start a dnd group again
jagged gust
Is Pluribus worth watching if tiktok has spoiled most plot beats for me?
lusty grotto
my extent of RP is putting a cop mog on in ffxiv and arresting gooners
proper roost
I think they probably might be into that.
solid sun
I’m imagining Nimchip getting into the dune rp
lusty grotto
i remember running savage last exp and being like "STOP! POLICE!"
solid sun
Deep desert police officer nimchip
undone beacon
using a screenshot to get around blocked content? instaban mods kill him
lusty grotto
"FBI OPEN THE DOOR"
proper roost
my friend asked me opinions on how to dm curse of strahd yesterday and i had many thoughts
lusty grotto
let me see if i can find a picture
solid sun
Curse isn’t nice
coarse bay
undone beacon
The only time I touched strahd was during a drunken halloween all night one-shot and it was a fucking mess because the DM said it was gonna be lighthearted and fun so we all made shitpost characters and then he wanted to run it super serious
proper roost
it's pretty fun i think, i enjoyed it when i played it
proper roost
The only time I touched strahd was during a drunken halloween all night one-shot...
an unfortunate but inevitable outcome
undone beacon
We got to the oracles camp or whatever and then stopped because the dm threw a fit
proper roost
in my experience i cannot GM drunk, it gets too confusing
undone beacon
They were sober, which to be fair probably contributed to the myriad of issues
proper roost
pre-covid a lot of breweries around here used to do deend events and it was a real 50/50 because you would get free drinks for GMing
so I'd be bad at running the actual game
but
free drinks
jagged gust
A sober gm and a bunch of drunk loot goblins? That's like herding cats
proper roost
yeah it actually sucks so much ass to be the 1 sober person while everyone else is drunk