and that flightstones are gone
#protection
lusty grotto
round pendant
Oh yeah that reminds me I fucking hate turbo boost,
lusty grotto
i think turbo boost is fine, because it is content you're already doing
its just too little too late
specifically the dinars
the ilvl boost i agree is fucking stupid
round pendant
Yeah on one hand you can just pretend it never happens, but the ilvl boost is so dumb
ashen kestrel
id be more on board with turbo boost if it was actually turbo - not limp mode boost with 1 dinar a week after the initial 3
round pendant
And the thing they did this time around where the cap removal was delayed 
lusty grotto
if they want to keep it being so late in the season they should just give unlimited dinars, i dont mind the time gating
ashen kestrel
i like the chance to get BiS trinkets as someone that doesnt raid - im indifferent on ilvl increasing or staying the same - id be fine with either
round pendant
I assume that means 18s are gonna be significantly easier?
round pendant
Cause I feel like that'll make people riot
ashen kestrel
I assume that means 18s are gonna be significantly easier?
i dont think so, its just to make it more on par with end tier myth bosses drops
lusty grotto
there's a lot to unpack there
cause
technically the season will be easier
due to combat mechs adjusting for lack of WAs and shit
so it is debatable
my biggest problem with it is that in general people will tend to buy a lot more boosts than before so if youre actually pushing you'll get some absolute critters in group finder
and the fact that you still get dogshit ass hero tracks on the end chest
ashen kestrel
my biggest problem with it is that in general people will tend to buy a lot more...
heavy agree with this - i slacked off start of s3 and when I came back it just wasnt worth trying to tank keys in the 14-15 range - lots of people in there who havent a clue / were boosted
round pendant
You're literally gonna be like 10s of crests behind every week you don't do an 18 tho until eventually turbo boost happens and you can catch up
People ain't gonna like that
lusty grotto
yeah
thats the other problem with it
you will be significantly behind on crests
if you cant do 18s i mean
it'll fuck people that only do 10s or 12s
or are used to doing them
and the community will overall become a lot more toxic
ashen kestrel
and the community will overall become a lot more toxic
was just about to say this - cant wait for the people that expect to be pushing 18s on week 1 - im sure it wont be many, but there will be some for sure that get mad when the group struggles beyond 10s in low gear
round pendant
It's already bad enough missing a myth slot in your vault but thankfully 10s are reasonably balanced for it to not be too easy that the reward feels disproportionate and not too hard that nobody can get it
But falling further and further behind each week even though you're getting myth vaults would just feel so bad lmao
lusty grotto
when i saw that change my interest in midnight immediately took a nose dive
and i wasn't in the doomer camp
but hell, that gearing change is just ass
but to be fair, im not sure if they changed anything about it, its the last thing i saw before the holiday drunkfest started for me
so fingers crossed they are looking at it
round pendant
It's so weird how blizzard get so close to a pretty good system and then just fuck it up in the complete wrong direction
Every time
Current system + no valorstones + catch-up myth slots for alts = basically perfect
Then dinars halfway through the season
Idk why it's so hard to understand for them
lusty grotto
the problem is they focus on the destination of things (rewards, power) to dangle in front of players as a carrot on a stick, and these are important sure but i dont fucking understand why they dont attack barriers to entry first and foremost: the stupid fucking ancient raid lockout, the artificial barriers surrounding keys and group finder, and group finder in general
if they keep going they will fall down the same hole they did in SL
ashen kestrel
a lot of it doesnt make sense from our perspective but im sure they have analysts in the background that drive them towards the best business decision unfortunately
bad game design where they drag things out ofcourse pushes people away, but id have to imagine someone has done the cost analysis in the background and worked out that the money made from prolonging subs comes out positive against the people cancelling (at least for now)
lusty grotto
thats pretty evident yea
coarse bay
Im assuming 18s will be similar to current, so not many people will be able to complete them early on.
Hof raiders already pull ahead in ilvl, it wont be much different
lusty grotto
and i dont mind player psych and retention garbage honestly
round pendant
a lot of it doesnt make sense from our perspective but im sure they have analyst...
Yeah and it backfires eventually just like every time before
This is just the life of a corporation
lusty grotto
Im assuming 18s will be similar to current, so not many people will be able to c...
Hof raiders already pull ahead in ilvl, it wont be much different
yes but the subset of HoF players that participate in keys is very minimal
dusky canopy
A thousand people get to farm 18s, happy for them
lusty grotto
thats not the point
dusky canopy
Oh yeah key sales will be massive this season no doubt
round pendant
Even if it's minor it's still wrong in principle and should be criticised 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
and of course the toxicity associated with expectations
coarse bay
18s were still title range when turbo came out. I dont expect every tom and jerry to complete them
dusky canopy
“+18 key full funnel 1.5m” each
round pendant
But yeah, companies are only incentivised to provide a good product when the numbers start free falling
lusty grotto
perhaps, cammy
round pendant
When they start doing well again it becomes about optimising how much $ per customer you can squeeze out until they all leave again
Repeat ad nauseum
Maybe I'm radicalised but once you see this in one thing you see it everywhere
Lmao
coarse bay
I remember checking the raider.io of some top people i know/know of. The end of s2 was already full of teams boosting for like over a month
It already happens a lot
lusty grotto
right but boosting as it is is not what im complaining about
coarse bay
Ya im sure it’ll get even worse, idk what can be done since blizzard turns a blind eye and approves it.
dusky canopy
You ready for the full myth track all 15s timed boosties to be applying to your 16s/17s
coarse bay
Like when week 2-3 of a season u can see liquid and echo reclearing with boosties
lusty grotto
again its not boosting im complaining about
yes it'll get worse
its the result of it
but specifically the buyers
coarse bay
Oh its the inflated io on baddies
grim pilot
18s were still title range when turbo came out. I dont expect every tom and jerr...
seasons r not equal
coarse bay
Ya we dont know how itll turn out yet
grim pilot
i doubt s1 will follow same difficulty curve as every other s1
coarse bay
But if the ilvl they come as are equal to what 8/8m was then im sure they want them to be tuned harder
grim pilot
s1 in tww had 16/17s as title keys
s1 df had the equivalent of 15-16-17s nowadays
both were pre resi but still
they will likely make it more approachable
coarse bay
Itll be funny if 18 is like r1 lvl
dusky canopy
I fully expect the community to go absolutely mental over not being able to time 18s and not having “fairness” for gear
And then blizzard will cave and make it so everyone can at least farm the base myth track items with ease
lusty grotto
thats not the answer
dusky canopy
I agree but we all know it’s what is likely
coarse bay
And then blizzard will cave and make it so everyone can at least farm the base m...
Im pretty sure m+10 and higher for base mythic items this season were the majority of completed keys starting pretty early
Like it’s already the case
dusky canopy
Well you can farm 1/6 myth track items from a 15 can’t you?
Or maybe I’m miss remembering
In midnight
lusty grotto
from 10s, that hasnt changed
coarse bay
Farming mythic will never be a thing outside of like splits
coarse bay
from 10s, that hasnt changed
He’s thinking they drop mythic items on completion
lusty grotto
yes
thats why i said what
no need to state the obvious, theres a reason he said "farm"
mighty valley
that would be one way to cut down on norm/heroic splits lol
coarse bay
Well you can farm 1/6 myth track items from a 15 can’t you?
Theyre treating m+ vault similar to how raid vault works currently
fathom oasis
that would be one way to cut down on norm/heroic splits lol
I wonder if they ll ever do anything about it
mighty valley
I wonder if they ll ever do anything about it
nah, not unless it's a huge win/win for rwf raiders and normal people
unreal yarrow
It's going to feel really bad when you miss with your vault after doing the 18
mighty valley
you can't design exclusively for professionals doing insane shit
unreal yarrow
Not just the myth slot but also functionally max crest amount too
And needing more crests to fully upgrade
mighty valley
i think most people won't lose their minds pushing to 18s just to save crests though
it's just gonna be kinda nice if your final deplete for the week gives you a chance at something a little better in the vault
lusty grotto
yeah youre probably right
most of the stuff im concerned about is all the ripples and unintended side effects it'll cause
mighty valley
if it was like "15+ drops myth track in end chest" that would be catastrophic
lusty grotto
just imagine guilds making their high key players run the entire roster through 18s
perhaps
proper roost
if it's bad just hit da bricks
mighty valley
the wisest wisdom
lusty grotto
i just think having hero track items in every single key after 7s feels absolutely fucking awful
mighty valley
it's goofy
lusty grotto
and while the changes to get more crests this exp were good
lusty grotto
they are kind of made worse due to the weekly caps
mighty valley
i just think it's kinda realistic if 10s/12s is the endgame for rewards motivated players
and everyone past that is motivated by score
da prestige
lusty grotto
yeah
coarse bay
Ya i remember in legion while there was always the chance of a titanforge, it was pretty much just to play and push the dungeons
And ap i guess
Same shit really but i dont remember gear being such a large part of it
lusty grotto
it was
gear has always been a large part of it
but pre-DF, you only cared about ilvl
now you care about tracks, which are kind of the same, but different
because gearing now is not just a drop, it involves time and usually juggling crests efficiently
gear was a part of it, upgrading gear was not
mighty valley
i don't remember the ilvl difference between m+ and mythic raid back then
coarse bay
I dont remember either, but besides important items like trinkets, it didnt really matter
You were just hunting a high titanforge wherever it came from
mighty valley
goofy system
tribal wharf
hey buddy
im talking about
wow sucks, lets be honest, and these are basically direct comparisons why
and like, some of the same issues are there in other games, but i feel like wow has it basically pretty much the worst
lusty grotto
Oh true the upgrading really does change a lot lol
makes you wonder: crests = AP
mighty valley
crests would be ap if the best ones came from everywhere and you felt fomo if you didn't permagrind them
tribal wharf
have to have a stable internet connection
have to follow a meta
have to be social,
have to follow a timer and reset shedule
have to adhere to a strict timer for keystones
buy gold, buy everything in the game, and then it just resets at the end of the expansion or patch
lusty grotto
its that time again eh
tribal wharf
and what are you left with, a useless trinket, some purple and red transmog set items, a horse and some achievements
tribal wharf
i'm sick and tired of pretending like game isnt fun,
wtf are we doing in wow these days
lusty grotto
dw yogi, we agree
tribal wharf
buying money for housing items?
lusty grotto
idk i dont have a house
tribal wharf
ontop of the 50 other items we already are asked to buy
and asked to spend 40 hours a week
playing
to get a slightly shinier helmet
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
like wtf
ill be honest
i'm ashamed to tell someone i do or did play wow these days
and i try to avoid the conversation in real life
mighty valley
idk i like playing the video game with my friends
tribal wharf
thats how soured i am on it
tribal wharf
i dunno, i explained it a bout, i duno
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tribal wharf
and you dont get it or pretend not to
mighty valley
i don't really know what you're hoping for
do you want everyone to say "you're right, wow is awful" and all quit wow together
tribal wharf
couldnt hurt at this point but your words not mine
i keep flip flopping if i want to buy the expansion or not
but i dont think so this time
mighty valley
for like, over a year now, you've only popped back in to say how bad wow makes you feel
lusty grotto
no bueno = no buy
mighty valley
so yeah
tribal wharf
i probably wont man lol, quit early early season 1 of this expansion
mighty valley
i'd skip this one
lusty grotto
then you good, yogi
mighty valley
godspeed
tribal wharf
i am actually upset that there is no logging to go with housing
you know
fuckin, wood, the main thing in houses
some free alterinative you can do instead of pay for like candles
mighty valley
jagged pier
lumberjacking is chill
tribal wharf
in runescape i was able to walk up to any tree and chop it down since day 1....
and then housing comes out, and we need the wood for that
yayyyy everyones happy, (other than the durial321 event)
mighty valley
you can literally
gather wood
and craft housing stuff with it
what are you mad about
tribal wharf
thats first im learning of it but that is better news
mighty valley
it was like, part of the original reveal
warm plinth
I think it would be a very good idea for you to not buy the expansion.
mighty valley
you've been mad about this for months and you made it up
tribal wharf
i wonder if those are the uh i forget the name
war somethings from BFA war resources?
and its like on the bag and you have 30,000 of them for no reason
i dunno what else to say other than this
the game just feels super exclusionary
end of story
proper roost
i don't agree, the game kinda fun 
keys fun
i am excited to do keys with my friends
even if the gameplay is bad it has to be like, reaaaally bad
lusty grotto
yogi, i think their point is... housing is optional content
so you dont have to do it
im not gonna spend much time in it myself
i dont even have a house, as i dont preorder
honestly im glad its getting its place in WoW tbh, but its not something that I HAVE to do
or anyone really
tribal wharf
i just dont want to spend all day playing, busting my balls, paying all kinds of money on it any more, just to get stressed out in a keystone if the dps will hit a stun or kick correctly and then we wipe because 2 of them got off and then so the keystone is over and my keystone lowered (i did see it changed to a resiliant key i guess it is?) and then i'm told im bad by the group and laughed at the class discord im in
i'm just over that now
lusty grotto
good
thats a good attitude to have
like i said, its just a game
and what i mean by that is that everything you mentioned, you can completely opt out by not buying
or opt out even if you buy it
🤝
tribal wharf
ya i could avoid it for a while i suppose
lusty grotto
ye
just remember most if not all of us here are not goading anyone into buying wow
or paying the sub
so you good
tribal wharf
part of it too is i know if i quit im not coming back for like.......... YEARS
lusty grotto
then dont
whatever is best for you tbh
i dont mean this channel though lol, you can drop by always
plenty of people here just dont play or are subbed
tribal wharf
i want the expansion to actaully come out so i can judge it then,
lusty grotto
its a normal thing
tribal wharf
but i think i will probably give up on wow forever at this point, probably quietly ironically
proper roost
if anyone goads someone into a wow addiction they suck
i think no one should play mmorpgs
lusty grotto
i think everyone wholeheartedly agrees with that one
WoW at least, FFXIV i can recommend at least for the story
tribal wharf
then again, no game is perfect
even NES mario games have flaws, megaman nes
castle vania
lusty grotto
mmos are just a live service game in its pure undiluted form
they are there to make you sub, and keep paying
they have the same weeklies and dailies and fomo as any live service game
the genre isnt gonna resurge any time soon
if ever
tribal wharf
theres alot of great stories and characters in the game overall i will say, so many great quotes and voice lines
"Your fate is sealed. The end of days is finally upon you and all who inhabit this Miserable little seedling!" wow used to be a gritty horor game at its very core
hidden deep beneath all the layers and that made it compelling or something
characters you feel like whom actually want you to suffer and die
something to rise up against
and then, dragon flight and big mom energy
tribal wharf
okay well go ahead and tell me how the scarlet crusade wasnt something straight out of a horror book
proper roost
yogi you might literally be the first and only person in the history of the world who has ever called WoW a gritty horror game
tribal wharf
uh, like, it is, but its buried deep
the old gods is an example
the wrathgate? think how horrific that scene is
lusty grotto
sure
but kinda seems you need to play more modern games
cause those themes are better in them, and in other media as well like books, movies, shows etc
tribal wharf
but its like i also dont want straight up likestranger things upside down shit
until its deserved to be shown?
lusty grotto
i havent even watched that final season lol
mighty valley
we all think of you as the doom guy, like doom's your favorite game, but this whole thing kicked off with you saying that doom stresses you out too much and you don't like to play it
lusty grotto
was kinda hooked on mighty nein and plur1bus before the holidays though
tribal wharf
nyalotha apart from it came from literally no-where, was super fantastic
it was perfect
lusty grotto
i personally didnt like it
story wise
it didnt feel like it should have been a patch
it should have been an entire exp
tribal wharf
i mean, the boss just going pop was kind of lame, sure, but i didnt mind it so much
warm plinth
HELP
lusty grotto
similar to legion having fucking demons on spaceships, i fucking hate it
warm plinth
I'M TRAPPED
jagged pier
u can just tp out in the house menu
warm plinth
Shhh let me be dramatic smh
lusty grotto
is your house a box
warm plinth
Yep!
lusty grotto
ngl, but i had that happen in xiv too once lmao
tribal wharf
i mean lets be real boys
proper roost
lmao
lusty grotto
on a guild hosue too
tribal wharf
isnt that ALL a house REALLY is? a fucking box?
lusty grotto
and of course there was a tp to entrance option that i completely forgot about
tribal wharf
a big old box thats weather proff
lusty grotto
ye
proper roost
You cracked it yogi
tribal wharf
i mean in real life in some locations its LITERALLY just a giant box
proper roost
I leave my box to go into my small moving box to join all the other moving boxes so I can stare at a light box for 8 hours while inside a non sleep box
then I go back to my box and sleep and repeat
lusty grotto
proper roost
Wait important
I go home to stare at a DIFFERENT light box
until I feel eepy and then I go to sleep on my box inside one of the boxes of the big box
👍
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
You can see alot in this life span, like a bum eating out of a garbage can, you remember one time he was your man,
but its like that, and that's the way it is
coarse bay
True
tribal wharf
legitimately one of the songs of all times
coarse bay
It is indeed a song of all time
mighty valley
was kinda hooked on mighty nein and plur1bus before the holidays though
pluribus great
made me finally go back and watch better call saul too, missed it for some reason when it was first out
got through the first two seasons, good shit
lusty grotto
i havent watched it at all but ive heard good things all around
mighty valley
did you watch/like breaking bad?
lusty grotto
yup
mighty valley
it's funny, when they started working on BCS, they were like
"ok, bb ended up 75% drama 25% comedy, we're gonna try and flip that for the saul show"
FAILURE
it's miserable lmao
which is what i'm here for, so not complaining
lusty grotto
its on the backlog dw
tribal wharf
breaking bad is pretty okay yes
lusty grotto
pretty okay?
tribal wharf
its not total dog shit slop
lusty grotto
thats selling it short by a massive amount
lusty grotto
i dont think ive ever heard "total dog shit slot" and "breaking bad" together, ever
warm plinth
I got bored of Breaking Bad at the third season, forced my way through to the last break. Still have not gone back to watch the remainder of the last season
lusty grotto
the one thats similar that i have never completed is Ozark, i dont know why it just feels so dense sometimes
tribal wharf
Kaiba Changes The Future on youtube since i cant and or dont want to try link yt video, the 7.1 million vews in japanese version.
go watch that and you'll understand
proper roost
ozark is heavy, but man
that first episode is kino
What an opener
I feel like I can recommend ozark JUST for its opening episode
warm plinth
I didn't even make it through the first episode of Ozark before I got bored XD
fathom oasis
isnt that ALL a house REALLY is? a fucking box?
specially if you are playing minecraft lol
proper roost
Wtf
warm plinth
That's the one with Jason Bateman right?
proper roost
I'm going to go kill ghash in his house
fathom oasis
every house i ever built was literally just a box
proper roost
Brt
tribal wharf
its not my favorite show ever, but the original yugioh series is... oh, its so fucking peak its insane
or at least the toning of the japanese story
fathom oasis
I DRAW POT OF GREED
lusty grotto
That's the one with Jason Bateman right?
yea
tribal wharf
Kaiba Changes The Future, go watch it and you will understand
lusty grotto
its a good show
warm plinth
I DRAW POT OF GREED
I draw Pot of Greed and I summon Dark Magician = the entire Yu-Gi-Oh! show
tribal wharf
i dont have the words else to say it properly
lusty grotto
it just, drains me watching it
fathom oasis
I draw Pot of Greed and I summon Dark Magician = the entire Yu-Gi-Oh! show
facts
and flashbacks to the time yugi drew exodia
that happens so many times
lusty grotto
Kaiba Changes The Future, go watch it and you will understand
nah im good
warm plinth
Tbf, I am really bad at finishing shows.
lusty grotto
i dont like anime
warm plinth
Me neither
tribal wharf
its the only anime i have any real interest in tbh
lusty grotto
much less yugioh
warm plinth
I love Supernatural, but still have not finished it.
fathom oasis
long af
warm plinth
The only show I've finished in recent years is Stranger Things
And even that I had to catch up on in the like 2-3 weeks preceding the finale
fathom oasis
i liked the witcher when henry cavill played Geralt 
warm plinth
I'm going to go kill ghash in his house
Joke's on you; I'm trying to solve a riddle and not even home
I have only seen the first season and maybe a few episodes of season 2 of the witcher
tribal wharf
Yugi loses his composure is another great clip "drawu, monsta cardo...." yeah yeah
thats LITERALLY what the voice is in japanese
warm plinth
I did end up in a youtube black hole yesterday and I watched a video about a guy who basically took a tournament hostage with a deck in Yu-Gi-Oh!
lusty grotto
if you mean modern and that concluded and also that I enjoyed them a lot: BB, Devs, Fringe, Loki, Arcane, Chernobyl, Succession, True Detective (minus last season), Jack Ryan (amazon), Barry
@warm plinth
highly recommended all of them
trying to think of more
warm plinth
I've seen episodes of Fringe, but that's a procedural right?
fathom oasis
the early seasons of frindge were so cool
warm plinth
Hm, maybe thinking of a different show then
fathom oasis
once they got into the yellow goop stuff it got kinda boring imo
warm plinth
I lose interest in even good procedural shows pretty fast. I like stories, not the same thing over and over again
lusty grotto
its kind of like X-Files had an overall story but there were stand alone episodes, if thats what you mean
warm plinth
Like I love Criminal Minds but I haven't seen anywhere close to the entire show because every episode is basically the same thing
tribal wharf
no yugi, no yogi watch
lusty grotto
oh i forgot Lost
tribal wharf
lost was boring and stupid i think
and yes, i have been to the island in just cause 2 that is based on it
lusty grotto
i liked it
fathom oasis
i feel it was a very hit or miss show
lusty grotto
the others i mentioned def beat it though
mighty valley
I’m rewatching all of the simpsons
nooooo pash, bail now, save yourself
there's so much more bad simpsons than good at this point lol
warm plinth
Other shows I've enjoyed watching in the last year are like...The Lincoln Lawyer, Upload, The Rookie, those are the first three I think of off the top of my head
lusty grotto
oh shit, True Detective
undone beacon
there's so much more bad simpsons than good at this point lol
It’s so easy to just use as background noise though
warm plinth
Have not finished any of them though
tribal wharf
maybe this is a hot take but i feel like about like
mighty valley
oh shit, True Detective
shame it never got another season after the first
tribal wharf
97% of tv shows suck
mighty valley
(actually i heard the third was pretty good)
warm plinth
I really enjoyed The Boys as well, but have not watched the last like 2 seasons I think
lusty grotto
the first was a masterpiece, but i didnt hate the other seasons
the newer season is kinda ass though
mighty valley
The Boys is falling off pretty hard for me
tribal wharf
and i think like maybe like, 40% of movies are any good
undone beacon
Isn’t there some like new animated the boys now
tribal wharf
same can be said with games i suppose
mighty valley
i really hate the amount it's doing the "Remember this thing? From the news?" thing recently
lusty grotto
The boys is fine, idk what they will do cause every thing is completely different from the comics
but im up to date
but again those are still running
warm plinth
Still haven't even finished TWD and I really enjoyed that show
lusty grotto
i thought we were talking about concluded series
warm plinth
I think I'm like 1 or 2 seasons from finishing it
mighty valley
sopranos is probably my goat
lusty grotto
meh fuck TWD
mighty valley
succession, mad men are up there
warm plinth
Oh, Z Nation is one I've finished in the last couple years. Really enjoyed that.
Got a bit meh at a couple points but it was solid
lusty grotto
Sopranos is on the bucket list of masterpieces to watch with The Wire
mighty valley
yes yes yes
lusty grotto
or back log rather
warm plinth
Blacklist was also good but it's a bit too procedural for my taste so I have to enjoy it in small doses
undone beacon
I watched the first two seasons of Boardwalk Empire and then dropped it
It was fun while it lasted
tribal wharf
i did at some point watch the entire original series of pokemon
very long time ago now
lusty grotto
good lord lol
warm plinth
Also known as The Adventures of the Eternal 10-Year-Old
tribal wharf
more out of nessecity, i felt like i had to
undone beacon
Blacklist was also good but it's a bit too procedural for my taste so I have to ...
Is that the one with Raymond reddington that I see a million clips of but never a full episode?
warm plinth
Yeah
tribal wharf
i dont give a singular shit about pokemon any more tho lol
this was like 15 20 years ago
more maybe
warm plinth
Some shows I really liked the first season of but the second season quickly bored me and didn't finish, like Night Agent
lusty grotto
isnt night agent relatively new?
warm plinth
Last 3 years or so I think, yeah
lusty grotto
with the loki guy yea?
warm plinth
Loki guy?
lusty grotto
wait maybe im thinking of something else
undone beacon
Some shows I really liked the first season of but the second season quickly bore...
That was me with Goliath. Enjoyed S1 and then dropped it
warm plinth
I've only seen the initial batch of episodes of Loki so it's possible I just don't know who it is
warm plinth
oh, Chuck was pretty good too, but haven't finished it yet
It got a lot worse with the whole kung fu thing that doesn't make any fuckin sense to me lol
tribal wharf
but like, i dunno 90s' shows for men for me like home improvement, cheers, stuff with will smith in it. uhhhh game shows like where in the world is carmen sandiego or price is right
tribal wharf
old jeparody
tribal wharf
the old press your luck
lusty grotto
or has been over
warm plinth
JAck Ryan is the one that's like...idk he's a diplomat or some shit but does badass shit
right?
tribal wharf
i cant think of great examples of tv shows i watch
mighty valley
jim office cia
tribal wharf
oh, i watched what do u call it, i think its my names earl, with the guy trying to right his past wrongs
warm plinth
I think I watched a couple episodes. Don't remember why I stopped and I don't really remember what I did watch. I probably got distracted by Upload. Andy Allo is my celebrity crush.
lusty grotto
with like 10 different recognizeable actors in different mediums, like clear and present danger etc
is upload over? ive seen the commercials before
tribal wharf
it doesnt exist any more here but i did at one point post some or all of my netflix watched shows
warm plinth
is upload over? ive seen the commercials before
Yeah, last season was this year I believe. I've seen the first 2 seasons I think. It's good.
at least the first 2 seasons are
warm plinth
Heard good things about that one but haven't watched it yet.
Travelers 1st season was good. I haven't watched more than that yet
tribal wharf
thats the time i stopped watching any tv peroid other than i think it was season 4 ST
warm plinth
tbf people should take any recommendations I have with a grain of salt. My standards are low. Idc if acting is bad or anything. Only care if I'm entertained.
tribal wharf
oh yeah, and most cartoons from 80s
80's cartoons are amazing
TMNT was incredible
baxter stockman scared the shit out of me as a kid
the scene where he gets turned into a bug man thing
fathom oasis
Travelers 1st season was good. I haven't watched more than that yet
i enjoyed it
tribal wharf
OH, i also enjoy vintage classic cartoons such as donald duck
fathom oasis
i think. That one's a bit dated yea?
tribal wharf
like from 1940s
or before even
some of the old old animation from 1910's to like, i dunno, 1950's were AMAZING
even the old black and white by hand shit
tribal wharf
donald mother fucking duck, vs the gorilla
mighty valley
he was so good in The Terror
tribal wharf
go watch that shit, one of the best cartoons ever made
tribal wharf
actually its donald duck AND the gorilla
but that cartoon at least is 100% permanently playing in back of my head
mighty valley
oh yeah... Barry
you and i are the two dumb bitches saying exactlyyyyyyyyyy right now
lusty grotto
lmaoo
tribal wharf
every frame and sound of that short cartoon lives rent free in my head
tribal wharf
oh, yes, ** OLD** king of the hill is pretty good too
i don't hate new, but i wouldnt touch it with a 50 foot stick
beavis and butthead, cuz like, no shit
even that is turning to slop ish territory
early simpsons is fine
there you go
thats yogi tv
tribal wharf
thats almost some IDKsterling shit lol
speaking about that channel that would be a fantastic source to draw from to put horror crap back into wow
used to watch his content but some of it is pretty dark
warm plinth
True I'm ascared
round pendant
No comment on the yogi rant
proper roost
🍿
tribal wharf
because some part of you knows i'm right
the fireplace money coin crap is a pretty good example of this, 2026 sure, but pay for coins to buy individual candles
im sorry bro
proper roost
i have literally no clue what the fireplace money coin thing is
coarse bay
But part of you knows its right
mighty valley
i have literally no clue what the fireplace money coin thing is
I think I’ve cracked it — yogi got irrationally angry at housing a few months ago, learned it has its own currency for buying decor, got madder about that, and started calling the currency “fireplace coin”
coarse bay
would this time a 21 ara or is there something about it that's too slow?
Have you tried the route in a 20?
It looks fine, but i dont think anybody can tell you if your team’s speed on that route is enough
proper roost
holy the amount of restraint I needed to not engage
proud of you, except you lied about going to sleep at 7pm but w/e i guess ur just a bald faced liar ig..
coarse bay
Im waiting for the arc where yam has an NA character to play with kangaroo
What was that autocorrect as i hit send
round pendant
Im waiting for the arc where yam has an NA character to play with kangaroo
Never going to happen
but Kanga would probably enjoy playing with me
late trellis
Have you tried the route in a 20?
we did 2 21s and it was slow both times, lusting the 2nd bloodguard was better than the 1st but eliminates lust on triple overseer
warm plinth
Rofl
round pendant
rest in peace lil glorp
round pendant
it's 7am I am extremely hungry and everybody is asleep so I'm bored out of my mind
someone wake up
round pendant
I need attention
proper roost
relatable
proper roost
have you tried watching a 12 hour long northernlion compilation
makes the brain quiet
proper roost
basically the same thing
azure nimbus
Pull 2 and mini boss. Combine Pull 3 without those 2 spider + your 5 into the boss.
You’ll have bl on first pull bridge
You can skip G42 scarab and those add above clean all the rest.
Split your pull 11 with 2 caster the one in front then the one on the right with the bat
grim pilot
Pull 2 and mini boss. Combine Pull 3 without those 2 spider + your 5 into the bo...
feels weird to tell him to combine pull 2 and miniboss and then tell him to split overseers
esp since that pull doesn't do anything
grim pilot
yeah that's fine tho generally not a fan of overseer into last boss unless you do it like liquid does. Issue is tho that the boss can reset so that's your call to make (even if you're pulling it on pull it can reset after a while). You can skip that by either adding carriers to previous pull and using bl there (+ i think some stuff in the start dont think carriers have enough %) or by really adding shitton of stuff at the start but it'll be very uncomfortable for your healer
azure nimbus
feels weird to tell him to combine pull 2 and miniboss and then tell him to spli...
was talking about that 😄 just another option he can try with his team 😄
fathom oasis
Yeah we saw that with Khailby
oof
grim pilot
was talking about that 😄 just another option he can try with his team 😄
yeah i know what you mean, basically what missed count played
last area is too slow
and you're pulling every carrier pack which is bad
those are dangerous mobs
you can pull 1 at most with bl
grim pilot
generally i think only liquid played carriers
or it may have been some1 else idk not missed count
issue is that high enough 3 of them oneshot you
and you dont want to risk depleting 20 min into the key
this is an okayish variant
far from bis but its pretty simple
with carriers in pull 11 u send bl there
azure nimbus
i'll take it and try it next time, thanks a lot !
warm plinth
far from bis but its pretty simple
That's how my mom describes me
drowsy comet
i wonder if MDT will be available in Midnight
warm plinth
No reason it shouldn't be. It's not combat-related and all the data it uses is pre-loaded
undone beacon
I wonder if blizz will ever make a native rotuing tool
mighty valley
it would be very cool if you could make the route on the map and markers would appear in the world
toxic pewter
I like it
warm plinth
Now that will probably never happen
mighty valley
A lot of things I thought would never happen have happened
dusky canopy
That does sound sweet but probably to close to “playing the game for you”
Then again they gave one button
warm plinth
I think it would be a terrible idea regardless. I don't see how you could do it without a. making it inaccessible to some (e.g. color shading), or cluttering the screen up (e.g. markers). The former would actually effectively mark all of the mobs for the pulls, while the latter wouldn't. Plus what happens if you fuck up and leave one mob behind or something. You either then have to have a "next pull after this pull" kind of thing which adds more clutter, or you just have to pull that single mob to finish off the pull.
One button has a large trade-off
dusky canopy
Well maybe it would only work for +10 or less keys as it’s trade off who knows
warm plinth
I think that would be an acceptable trade-off, as it's really mostly needed when people are learning
I stand by my doubts that they could do it without it being either inaccessible to some or just awful looking
dusky canopy
Never know what blizzard will cook up these days considering the massive addon philosophy shift
warm plinth
I don't really think that was an idea on their part. It was an inevitability
mighty valley
I think it would be a terrible idea regardless. I don't see how you could do it...
i think you could design through all these questions but yeah, it would be a very challenging feature and outside the scope of what’s realistic for this 20 year old game
i just know memorizing routes is a sticking point for a lotta people and contributes to tank anxiety, even if the need for it is overblown
unreal yarrow
Applying marks to the actual game world might not be doable, but shareable markers in a map to include pulls seems very doable
warm plinth
i think you could design through all these questions but yeah, it would be a ver...
I'm no developer or coder, but how much of the original game do you think is actually left at this point? Like the base engine I guess is the limitation at this point I would think right?
mighty valley
From what I’ve heard there’s never been any kind of ground-up overhaul, the tools team is miraculously squeezing blood out of that stone
warm plinth
Yeah, that'd probably be the only argument for the "WoW 2" that people mention fairly regularly: an excuse to rebuild the game
cerulean tusk
WoW 2 would kill WoW the IP, the old guard and addicts hate change
warm plinth
Oh I don't think they should do it unless they just have to
cerulean tusk
They don't, ppl played classic with a smile. Retail scuffed engine and all, will be just fine
warm plinth
I agree
warm plinth
I disagree when I disagree :p
cerulean tusk
mighty valley
If they were to make a wow2 they’d have to shut down wow and migrate everyone over for free
Can’t split the players
cerulean tusk
If it doesn't look, play and smell the same
That would kill WoW
Even if ppl start to imagine it ain't the same, if a frame is understood as off... It is over
I would never risk it
warm plinth
Yeah it would literally have to be the same exact game just rebuilt with a better engine
And at this point they'd also have to somehow make classic all feel right while being built on a much newer engine lol
warm plinth
round pendant
we don't need wow 2
jade hazel
Is this an extension of Preachs video about Wow 2 a couple months ago? Cause I do agree with him for the most part that we’re already in Wow 2, the incremental reset and changes over time and now the final with severance of add ons.
Wow 2 started in DF
mighty valley
Is this an extension of Preachs video about Wow 2 a couple months ago? Cause I d...
oh no sorry, I don’t watch that channel, I don’t respect him (British)
All my speculative wow2 opinions are for like, another twenty years in the future, if the game’s still going and the creaky old tech becomes truly untenable
or it really falls off and they want to jumpstart the IP
round pendant
oh no sorry, I don’t watch that channel, I don’t respect him (British)
That plus he's an idiot
mighty valley
That plus he's an idiot
Goes without saying
(I’m technically British I can make these jokes)
proper roost
still sucks ass that asmongold got popular off being a wow streamer
goes to show wow content consumers gravitate to the worst slop
jagged gust
I think I was vaguely aware of him for a while from doing some mount show off thing
And now every clip I see is just takes a 13 year old would have
So like, the fame kinda makes sense
proper roost
frosty mango
Nothing will kill wow but itself imo
It will go f2p and be mtxed into oblivion, there will never be another tab target mmo
round pendant
still sucks ass that asmongold got popular off being a wow streamer
He really only blew up once he started ragebaiting with politics and became a propaganda agent
green quiver
hey guys, for m+ high keys 19/20s would you rather use the heroic boots (ilvl 717) or mythic track (ilvl 730) boots.. when it comes to surviving
chilly brook
Tank boot effect is not that great, added bonus at max ilvl, not worth losing ilvl for
muted tusk
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
mellow bridge
ok, bye!
mighty valley
Lmao, what set that off
warm plinth
Lmao, what set that off
They saw my name, sorry 😞
mighty valley
You gotta change your name to Same Old Slop As All Of The Internet
warm plinth
I would but it's too long
jagged pier
undone beacon
I miss them already
They literally didnt say anything else but that in this server 
A real quality participant
coarse bay
Idk what kinda info they could be looking for less than 2 weeks before prepatch
Wow’s been slop for 2-3 months lol
undone beacon
guys can i get a tank tierliest for midnight stat please thanks
undone beacon
:(
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
jagged pier
warm plinth
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
coarse bay
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
dusky canopy
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
jagged pier
Came here for Prot info...nice to see its the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
jagged pier
had me in the beginning
toxic pewter
That is like my poor Bernie who passed away.. he was paralyzed on his back legs but we got him surgery. Lived another two happy years
proper roost
F bernie
jagged pier
Bernie
mighty valley
Main thing is he wanted Prot info...but all he found was the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
it's always randoms who are like
"why isn't the discord 100% about (spec)!!!!"
and they literally just want wowhead read out loud to them
line by line
fathom oasis
hopefully not, because the irony of siding with asmongold and saying "ignorance thinking it is educated." could probably shatter reality
round pendant
hopefully not, because the irony of siding with asmongold and saying "ignorance ...
That kind of lack of awareness is par for the course for asmongold viewers though
proper roost
yam u should play the next osrs leagues. it'll be perfect timing to wait until midnight
proper roost
What if all your friends play and it is fun
Give me your rsn so I can snoop and pass judgment
proper roost
wtf filthy casual
round pendant
cba
coarse bay
Prot is good
coarse bay
Ya for the remaining 8-9 days, prot is very strong and considered the meta. No way to tell how good prot will be in midnight because tuning passes or changes can happen at any moment.
coarse bay
True
Tank balance has been pretty solid
Unless youre pushing the absolute top content, any tank or spec is good
torn rover
Unless youre pushing the absolute top content, any tank or spec is good
Yea no im just trying to get my KSM asap
dusty terrace
ey is shield the best first craft for prot warrior in ttw?
jagged pier
sure
dusky canopy
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
proper roost
Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.
fathom oasis
ey is shield the best first craft for prot warrior in ttw?
Even though you'll want a max ilvl (not crafted) shield as your ultimate goal, it is a very good idea to craft it as soon as possible for the immediate boost in survivability
You generally go shield > weapon > big stat gear > whatever you are missing ilvl on
(With your crafts)
dusty terrace
Ok thanks, is the vers procc shield any good or just go normal shield with emb?
coarse bay
||Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated.||
jagged pier
Ok thanks, is the vers procc shield any good or just go normal shield with emb?
normal shield
dusty terrace
Tyty
warm plinth
You ready for prepatch keys @proper roost ?!
warm plinth
Yes, with my friend Kanga!
proper roost
I mean I will come do them to hang out but thats the most doomerged thing I can ever think of
warm plinth
Speaking of which i should probably do a key of some sort before week's end. I have everything on remix (except one item that just unlocks a pet) so now just gonna focus on getting some experience in with the limited addons and shit on retail
proper roost
can't believe i resubbed at the worst time smh my damn head
yeah i should do that for healer UI 
i won't be happy about it though stupid blizzard
by "week's end" do you mean like. Literally today (idr if we did a key this lockout) or next week
unreal yarrow
The addon situation is in a much better place now. Outside omnicd which does suck
Oh, and details deathlog
jagged pier
memeber to make your ui on ptr this week and save the folder
then just copy and paste nexct week
unreal yarrow
Good call
proper roost
healer ui is not better
because you're forced to use blizz raidframes
it will just always be bad
unreal yarrow
It's playable now which is better than it was
You are not forced to use default frames
unreal yarrow
A few options, cell is supposedly going to. Danders is popular on beta
proper roost
and base raid frames have always been "usable"
unreal yarrow
They were not usable on beta launch
proper roost
Whether it functions on a base level to show green boxes is irrelevant, just now its impossible to like
know whether riptide up or not
Which is really cool when all the healer specs rely on tracking this info
proper roost
They were not usable on beta launch
I mean, this stuff is ignorable (ofc shit breaks on alpha/beta, and have played enough to see, assuming it'll be that way on launch is dumb)
the point is that base frames always work on any xpac
but playing at any decent level is lol lmao lol
coarse bay
Cell wont work as it does now. Afaik all they can do is reskin and customize what base offers
unreal yarrow
Buff/debuff filtering is really the main thing missing.
coarse bay
Idk overall ui’s look almost the same in beta as current ui. They really didnt get rid of much. Biggest thing is the fact that weakauras are gone so itll be more addons, and that plater wont have the customization it has now
coarse bay
Buff/debuff filtering is really the main thing missing.
And unless it changed recently, you cant have hp bars changing colors based on missing health or debuffs or anything
proper roost
no buffs and shit is gonna just be really aids
coarse bay
Itll be worse on some healers too im sure
I got away with a non-healer cell setup because hpal didnt really apply shit
warm plinth
by "week's end" do you mean like. Literally today (idr if we did a key this lock...
I think today
Don't think I've played this week
Except remix and delves
proper roost
Oaky just lmk
I literally dont remember tbh last week was a blur for me
sort of worrying i have no idea wtf i did last week...
unreal yarrow
You play resto shaman, right? You don't have much to track anymore I think
proper roost
i have played rdruid/rsham/hpal
and i will probably swap back to rdruid for midnight cuz they're always stupidly bis
and if i dont track things on rdruid it'll be bad
coarse bay
People seem to be doing fine on rduid but idk anything about it
unreal yarrow
You can track hots and defensives as well as targeted spells
warm plinth
You play resto shaman, right? You don't have much to track anymore I think
Not much to track, not much to press, not much of anything
warm plinth
It's not zero brain. It's just the closest to zero brain of any healer
proper roost
cbt is literally the highest skill healing button in the game even after being nerfed every season
granted they are removing it
but it WAS
i really don't think that's true of pre-Midnight rsham
hpal is a lot simpler anytime it's relevant in keys
i legitimately don't know where this belief would come from
are you conflating raid rsham and key rsham? cuz key rsham needs to track high tide, tidebringer, Dudes uptime
(all aside from cbt, which amps all of that on top of cbt timing)
i just dunno where this belief comes from
rsham has pretty much always been the "hardest" healer (aka the highest skill ceiling, frequently 2nd/3rd highest skill floor) i've played every season
warm plinth
Never heard anyone say rsham was hard at all, much less the hardest.
But difficulty is subjective to a point
proper roost
among whomst though
and on what basis
and saying it isn't hard is kinda big difference from braindead in keys imo
i think the literal basis of how cloudburst totem works by itself has to explain to people that rsham is not braindead in keys
It's the highest skill floor/ceiling healing button in the game (the floor part is not that relevant, you can get ok value out of it with very basic usage)
solid sun
When I was told to heal I was told to play rsham because of how ez pz it is
proper roost
yeah i agree i think it is a pretty straightforward beginner healer
but that's not relevant to its skill ceiling
Similarly to pwar being the tank i'd recommend 99% of people as their first tank
but calling pwar braindead would be sort of pepega take, imo
like I'd see where you're coming from to call any low skill floor spec easy, but it's really only the ceiling that matters
unreal yarrow
Apb take. Pepega take would be much more entertaining
proper roost
i think it is a common and extremely bad take to conflate low skill floor = easy spec
solid sun
If I can pick a spec up and complete content on it that’s challenging for me, easily, then I’d say the spec is easy
unreal yarrow
Have you seen the resto changes?
proper roost
yea everyone hates them that's why i'm swapping
solid sun
Just because it can become harder doesn’t mean it isn’t still easy imo
warm plinth
I never said resto shaman was brain dead. You said I said that. I said it was easy. And my comment a minute ago was talking about midnight rsham which literally has like 3 buttons now
proper roost
If I can pick a spec up and complete content on it that’s challenging for me, ea...
this is why it's a bad take lol, healing is braindead until it's not
you basically dont need to exist until you extremely need to exist in keys
warm plinth
Also fwiw I think you're very much overstating cbt's complexity. Even the rsham discord told me that you just let it explode on its own 99.9% of the time.
It's not something you need to game most of the time.
proper roost
Also fwiw I think you're very much overstating cbt's complexity. Even the rsha...
that's the skill floor usage
the skill ceiling usage is that it can/will replace a full cd
- you literally need to time it as such when doing high keys
solid sun
Nah I was told the same thing as Ghash and if it’s 99.9% of the time it isn’t really just the floor. It’s jus the common practice
proper roost
because you were healing keys where you didn't need to exist
warm plinth
Every spec is going to be harder in high keys
That doesn't mean the spec isn't easy in general. And doesn't mean it isn't easier than other specs even at that level
proper roost
i mean i disagree
what is the skill ceiling of rdruid compared to cbt
or even hpal
solid sun
I was able to heal keys as a Resto shaman but when I played Resto Druid my friends completed keys without a healer
warm plinth
The fact that you literally have to prep for every single thing as rdruid
Vs you can react to 99% of damage as rsham
proper roost
I was able to heal keys as a Resto shaman but when I played Resto Druid my frien...
yea, cuz the rdruid floor is very high lol
rdruid floor is high, but the ceiling is a lot lower
This is not really true because by just playing correctly (i.e. using all your cds on cd, same as rsham/any other healer) you'll automatically upkeep efflo, swarm, etc
Like you don't need to "pay attention" to efflo uptime, that's like saying you need to pay attention to IP uptime
if you aren't playing completely wrong it'll automatically do it
This is all just a skill floor/skill ceiling conflation
Rdruid skill floor is high, assuming it has high skill expression on the healing aspect because it's difficult to juggle everything initially is way different from once you're actually experienced at it, because the spec is pretty constrained on the healing skill ceiling
warm plinth
I didn't say you had to pay attention to efflo uptime, nor is efflo even something I find challenging as resto druid. I'm fine with having a different opinion on what is easy or hard. It's not something I care much about.
proper roost
i think it's just kinda lame you keep saying what I'm playing is easy
i will spite play a "harder" (even though I don't think rdruid is any harder at all, again, just higher skill floor which is irrelevant) healer in midnight anyway
:smokeduckgif:
warm plinth
My opinions are shaped by my own experience, and it's normal for some to find x spec hard vs y spec and vice versa
proper roost
i think that's silly because you don't get skill ceiling checked for ages as a healer
solid sun
I don’t think labeling a spec as easy is an insult
warm plinth
I mean I play bm hunter which is arguably the easiest spec in the game. I don't take offense to people saying it's easy.
proper roost
i think people saying floor is what determines difficulty is stupid
ergo, i already look down on anyone who says fdk/bm is "easy"
it's only easy if the skill ceiling is nonexistent
:smokeduckgif:
solid sun
That seems like a relatively offensive way to view other people
proper roost
nah its just actually an ignorant way to view the game
if you have any competence, then playing any spec at its floor is already a basic assumption
coarse bay
Tbf there are still gaps and skill expression on “easier” specs like bm, fdk, and ret
And rsham had riptide i think?
proper roost
therefore it is ONLY the ceiling that matters
warm plinth
I'm not saying there aren't. I'm just trying to explain that I'm not trying to insult anyone.
Spec difficulty is a pretty common topic of discussion, and I can only speak to difficulty from my own perspective. Everyone has their own perspective and not everyone will agree on what's hard or easy and I don't think there's an issue with that. I've heard tons of people say arcane mage is easy and it might as well be Greek to me.
solid sun
This is such a weird dialogue
proper roost
basically I think only casuals think of difficulty on skill floor, if you're any good at the game, you always only think of difficulty on skill ceiling
warm plinth
Well there you go, I never claimed to not be a casual, and I regularly say I'm not good at the game. So my opinion on the topic shouldn't matter.
proper roost
cuz the inability to pick up a spec at all is just not a thing
at a reasonable level
elfin garden
holy chatting
solid sun
Your opinion matters to me, Ghash
mighty valley
i don’t think casual players think about the term “skill floor” at all
proper roost
they just don't know it
but they are talking about it exclusively
like when someone is like "this spec is so easy, it's only 3 buttons"
That is a skill floor discussion and they're too stupid to know it
solid sun
I feel like you’re gatekeeping what people can label a spec
This whole thing is super weird vibes
proper roost
i am actually. ty
unreal yarrow
Try out holy priest
warm plinth
Ill pipe in that current arcane mage is a 3 button spec and ez
I knew someone would say it lmao
proper roost
caster skill floor is really weird imo
coarse bay
I knew someone would say it lmao
U can go into the arcane disc and ask, people will be harsher than me
warm plinth
I'm sure
proper roost
i think a lot of caster only players do not realize how much inherent skill floor there is to just playing a caster and not losing gcds to begin with
coarse bay
i think a lot of caster only players do not realize how much inherent skill floo...
I agree, arcane being easy is compared to how it has been in the past, and rotationally it is fairly simple. But mage difficulty is a lot more than rotational
proper roost
i think its just really weird to call specs you don't play at a high level easy, you literally don't even know what the skill ceiling is
if you do then it is legal
i will allow it (personally)
warm plinth
Respectfully, I am allowed to offer my own perspective on specs that I play regardless of the level I play them. It may not be relevant or correct information to you, but there are more players like me than there are players playing at the highest level, and I'm sure my perspective is relevant to them.
proper roost
you're always allowed to say whatever you want but i think it feels pretty bad when someone is playing "easy spec" and still sweating to do content because the spec is ez of course it can carry you
which is just a bad and wrong take imo, and the core issue: the skill ceiling isn't the floor
warm plinth
I can understand how that might be offensive, but it's also offensive to say that my opinion doesn't matter because I'm not good at the game and thus don't base everything on the skill ceiling. It's possible for something to be easy to play at an average or below average level while being difficult to play at a high level. And I would argue it's more important to base the ease of a spec (and thus the approachability of the spec) on the skill required for average play, since that's the level most people are playing it.
If someone is doing +23s or world first raiding, they aren't coming to me for my opinion.
coarse bay
I think this whole thing is incredibly subjective
Everybody measures difficulty in a different way
My hot take is that no spec is truly difficult to play, it’s the content that’s difficult. Obviously any class has an extreme level of mastery, difficulty is whatever you make it
proper roost
if we weren't having disagreements based on subjectivity we wouldn't be human
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coarse bay
I think saying specs like bm and ret are easy is a classic, but i dont think anybody means anything hurtful by it
undone beacon
My hot take is that no spec is truly difficult to play, it’s the content that’s ...
False, bear is god's most intense and epic tank
Especially removing thorns of iron?!?! Do I hit ironfur or raze Cammy, I'm scared and confused
coarse bay
If you want it to, sure
toxic pewter
Cuz that’s sort of what’s holding me back the entire Druid situation with forms
undone beacon
Does it involve changing forms and stuff these days
Catweaving is dead in midnight so
You're good
toxic pewter
Never really was good at it
Ok
I’m not against it but just feels like I would mess it up
What about moonkin switching
Is that still a thing
undone beacon
No
toxic pewter
Ok
In general is it looking like more moonfire oriented
Or physical dam
Cuz I think I always preferred like thrashing and razing and stuff vs the arcane bear situation
undone beacon
In midnight, its looking like arcane bear is go-to single target and claw bear is go-to AoE/M+
toxic pewter
Ok interesting
Is that single target red moon ability or whatever any good
Seemed kinda cool last time I read it
toxic pewter
Ok figured I will say it’s a cool implementation
Bear getting some cool stuff I swear
coarse bay
Lets talk about how complicated bear is
coarse bay
And about the argument about binding IF, and how bad squishvegan is
undone beacon
Raze is in the center of the tree now instead of being a capstone so its very easy to take
toxic pewter
Oh cool. Always enjoyed razing stuff lol
proper roost
I’m not against it but just feels like I would mess it up
u literally can't fuck up catweaving ever (i'm sure rdruid still has to do it)
they intentionally have made it very easy any time it's a thing