would lose his shit over spending 30 minutes in queue to do an 18
#protection
proper roost
late in season
with mediocre players cuz the actual good ones are already several key levels ahead or in a group
grass isn't greener, only the perception of it
rip the GM of the guild i was in last year is now rank 1 prevoker
i hate it when someone u dislike is doing even better than when you knew them. why can't i pray on peoples' downfalls
coarse bay
Tbf even tho pre turbo boost is a waste, if youre in pug life you need to start grinding from season start and stay above title curve, or you wont be getting into title keys. It’s an entire season process unless you’re a knower like nome said
tribal wharf
what about, if,
when you havent played for multiple patches or a full expansion
at the start of new expansion you get turbo boost
1 month after
errant wagon
I've been sweating hard over title cutoff and just don't know how much harder I need to try and push to be in safe range
it's a tireless cycle
cerulean tusk
If you can get up to 4k, ya should be pretty much safe, even with boostie keys consuming quite a bit of the pie as things close down
coarse bay
Title range is already very competitive, and requires constant grind. There’s very very few people in the world that are good enough to get to a “safe” spot
cerulean tusk
20 keys are selling like hotpockets, so if you can get above that, 21, maybe a 22 - you should be aight
coarse bay
Id imagine that 20 fg and psf would be hard to boost
But they could still boost the other 6 to 21
cerulean tusk
Pretty sure all 21s with a 22 or two, should be a safe spot to end the season
if it bumbs up that far, dios mio
kind urchin
If you're not a mythic raider you'd be way behind on gear by not playing until turbo boost comes out. Not exactly getting myth track drops from keys. You get one piece per week (if you're lucky).
coarse bay
If you're not a mythic raider you'd be way behind on gear by not playing until t...
I think when people say not playing, they mean not grinding/pushing io. Obviously weekly vaults and/or raid are the baseline
dense cradle
tbh it should be a grind considering its supposed to stand for top of the region
proper roost
probably
cam do u want to see the r.io profile of the guy who was my GM before
he pugged almost all his keys idk if its mental illness or what idk shit is insane
warm plinth
Tbf even tho pre turbo boost is a waste, if youre in pug life you need to start ...
Real title pushers know you start pushing in the previous post season
proper roost
Ghash what are you playing for midnight
please do the research on which healer will be key fotm for me, ty
undone beacon
Ghash is also playing shadow priest
We’re gonna be shadow priest double trouble
Sounds like we need a third shadow priest for our 3s team
warm plinth
Ghash what are you playing for midnight
Frost DK I think
I know which healer WON'T be meta 
proper roost
which idk
knowing my luck it'll be rdruid meta again 😠 god i hate catweaving
i hate hots
proper roost
🤔 i mean
aren't literally all of them getting pruned
Also why are you still awake
warm plinth
Not nearly as bad as rsham is
Rsham got absolutely gutted
I was playing a new game with my friend and we lost track of time
proper roost
nice
Idk simple isn't necessarily bad at all for healer
rsham in raid for S3 TWW has been 3 buttons legit and it's one of the best performing healers
warm plinth
No, but resto shaman was already the simplest healer in the game
It didn't need pruning
proper roost
can't believe you'd say that to my face with hpal and prevoker existing smh
warm plinth
Both are harder than rsham
But yeah, iirc you can't even take healing tide and ascendance at the same time in midnight XD They're on choice node
proper roost
i'm skeptical that that will be as meaningful as you think
this will not be the first time i've gone through major ability pruning and specs that got taken out back in terms of ability loss still ended up insanely good
but i will just play whatever is fotm anyway, healing isn't that different from tank roling
fathom oasis
knowing my luck it'll be rdruid meta again 😠 god i hate catweaving
Man, I tried a bit a rdruid this season and the amount of shit you needed to do/keep track off for cat weaving did not translate well into dps lol
Refreshing 4 different dots on different targets while keeping track of the free hotw every 30s, trying not to waste CPs and swaping back and forth as you regen energy, yet the reward is such a measly amount of damage
Meanwhile as resto shaman you weaved in a few chain lightnings and you were golden
grim pilot
Refreshing 4 different dots on different targets while keeping track of the free...
Doesnt really matter
U keep 1 rip 1 rake and can weave in with thrash
And you will do good dps
If you can actually keep it up
fathom oasis
Still a lot more work than just weaving chain lightnings on a rsham
And way less dps
grim pilot
Eh not really in reality
Rsham has higher overall dps potential but on average even among what, maybe title level healers, rdruids will do much more damage than rshams
proper roost
yeah if you can rip ul as ancestors it can burst, but outside of a couple keys gl using AS for dps
can reasonably often, just not that often, and you can always squeeze a rake and thrash in places
fathom oasis
idk, all stats i checked regarding healer dps put rsham above rdruid both on avg and top measurements
proper roost
key healer dps parses aren't the same as actual high keyer healers
fathom oasis
yeah, it's a hard thing to get a good measurement of, for sure
i did check a few of the top keys logged in WCL manually and rsham was always higher than rdruid
proper roost
it's honestly not that complicated, the higher you go in keys, the more you can't AS for damage
fathom oasis
but any amount i can check manually is not very significant stats wise
proper roost
and Rsham scales really poorly with dumping damage like that because of how CBT works
and keeping track of rake thrash reaaally isn't that hard
especially since you don't even need to track rip (or thrash obviously), you just don't rip the same target twice in a pack, simple as, you're only ever gonna get 2-3 at most off per pull anyway (outside of bosses)
the gcds are just a lot of annoying upkeep and I cba, actually tracking them is inconsequential
healing fun when numbers big go up box green fast
healing not fun with numbers small box green as result of upkeep buffs
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fathom oasis
i liked prevoker style of dps: your dps rotation actually feeds into your healing, so you naturally do good dps
grim pilot
i did check a few of the top keys logged in WCL manually and rsham was always hi...
Yeah because they have higher potential
I know rshams who can rip upwards of 2m
But average title healer which is considered a good level will do fuckall damage, shamans usually like 500k in my xp, druids like a million maybe tad less
Also quite often you can just do few hots and if your blooms proc well you can just afk in cat form bc everyone is basically immortal unless its a dangerous moment
unkempt hazel
I miss holy pala just pressing holy shock and seeing hp bar explode (with health)
crisp crystal
is there any substitute for shadowmeld on high keys so i dont have to play nelf?
never played high keys and wanna try in midnight
jagged pier
theres a pot
crisp crystal
I see, ty
fathom oasis
Do keep in mind it shares CD with combat pots, and it puts them on a 5min CD, so there is an opportunity cost there
But at least you will be able to perform any skip that requires you to have shadowmeld
cinder kiln
How are you experiencing prot warr compared to vengeance DH and other tanks? I've tried a few but man does warr stand out to me. Like a brick wall in comparison, clear top tier this season but haven't played it for long
warm plinth
Prot warrior has been basically the same for quite a while. Whether we're meta or not is never based on our ability to survive, as we always can. It's whether other specs offer more of whatever is important in a specific season. Whether that's damage, certain utility, whatever.
proper roost
nothing about the kit inherently makes it tankier than other tanks, and in many seasons it's been outright bad
🍿 i can't wait for warrior to not be #1 again i hate the fotmers
rather have doomers 24/7
toxic pewter
proper roost
atomic plank
Prot warrior has been basically the same for quite a while. Whether we're meta ...
What makes prot warrior meta this season over prot pally? They both do similar overalls. Seems as if warr is a lot more tankier.
undone beacon
If played well, Warrior does a lot more damage
However, a consequence of being the FOTM tank means you have a lot of rerollers who are not great at the new spec they’re playing, so you see a lot of subpar overalls
cinder kiln
What makes prot warrior meta this season over prot pally? They both do similar o...
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late trellis
I only just realized most people run Bolster talent in HOA in high keys.
I had been having some growing pains with the last shard trash due to the few second gap between shield blocks that occasionally occurs — and taking Bolster helped fill that gap and helped a lot. Is it just the nature of the damage being a lot of physical melees in HOA that makes that gap so noticeable?
late trellis
Ah ok. My healers always say I get torn up that pull and the pull before but jeez it hurts so much
grim pilot
If people pick bolster they usually take it for every single key though
You have to be kinda either lifeblooming the tank there or actively healing him on that pull
late trellis
I usually do it for streets/gambit and maybe eco, and deep wound rage regen for others, but the shield block gaps on the last shard felt terrible
grim pilot
Gambit is very chill
late trellis
Yeah I just do it for the super saisons/there’s not a lot of deep wounds targets after first area
grim pilot
Nah its really not that bad, 2nd pull after first boss is massive and lasts a while
Its all a preference obv
But usually when someone picks their choice they stick to it
At least personally i havent changed a talent other than intervene for months
unreal yarrow
Where do you use intervene?
coarse bay
What makes prot warrior meta this season over prot pally? They both do similar o...
Youre looking at overalls. Warrior has far stronger ST dmg, prio dmg, and shout gives so much dmg that it is far above ppal in reality
proper roost
i think the buff thing is typically very overrated tbh
Basically every season you go around and people justify meta comp/specs via scaling or buffs or whatever
Its always just individual spec tuning and the extras are just extra
It actually annoys me most about people talking about how well (or not) a spec is supposed to scale and extrapolating from first season of an expansion
coarse bay
It isn’t just the buff, but it adds a lot to what pwar brings into the current comp
Raid buffs should be deleted
Or keep them just for raid
jade hazel
raid/m+/pvp should all be separate entities at this point
considering there's players that only do one of those three and are very passionate about it, shouldn't be effected by something they don't participate in.
think balance would be a lot easier actually
actually, maybe not. idk. i should leave the dev'ing to devs.
coarse bay
At this point a separate set of tuning for m+ and raid would be very healthy, they already do it for pvp so obviously it’s possible. I guess blizz mostly just doesnt want gameplay and power to be different between them.
They already did a little of this recently with some healers, increasing power at less than 5 targets with diminishing bonus for more targets on some abilities
cerulean tusk
CE? You mean HoF surely, or rather you mean world race for 1st ppl
CE is free after turbo 
coarse bay
Definitely just joking lol, tuning could be like tww s1, or tww s3 for m+ levels. 18s most likely wont be possible by anybody for a while, and probably wont even affect rwf.
cinder kiln
Youre looking at overalls. Warrior has far stronger ST dmg, prio dmg, and shout ...
All good and well but question was of tankiness
grim pilot
Where do you use intervene?
Most keys, biggest emphasis on priory and halls
coarse bay
All good and well but question was of tankiness
I thought you were talking about damage. Both tanks are able to survive the level of keys outside of w1, warrior is easier than ppal usually for survivability.
coarse bay
And my point was that overall damage isn’t a good statistic, because of damage profile and it not including everything warrior brings
coarse bay
Ppal is similar to vdh, usually has to be near perfect to survive the toughest content.
cinder kiln
Well*
Exactly my point
Has nothing to do with utility or how easy to play
Surely someone else had to have noticed
warm plinth
Noticed what exactly
Paladin is not as "tanky" if we define tankiness as feeling durable, but it is viable and can survive high keys; it's just more skill requirement to do so.
And in that context, tanky is a very feelycraft characteristic.
coarse bay
Usually it’s like this:
If ppal can survive and util needed = meta
Sometimes with util and control, vdh is the only one capable of pulls
We don’t need the util of other tanks this season, all tanks can survive. Warrior brings the most damage this season and is easier
grim pilot
Usually it’s like this:
If ppal can survive and util needed = meta
Sometimes...
Not completely true with the util stuff
You have to remember ppal brings no raid buff
coarse bay
Not completely, there’s a ton involved
cinder kiln
And in that context, tanky is a very feelycraft characteristic.
No it's not feely what are u on about they are durable it's simple to express .
coarse bay
If raid buff was a factor, ppal wouldnt have been meta so frequently.
coarse bay
If raid buff was a factor, ppal wouldnt have been meta so frequently.
The only factor
coarse bay
No it's not feely what are u on about they are durable it's simple to express .
This season isn’t about survivability as much as tww s1 for example. I believe every tank is durable enough for top content this season, so it’s about what they bring.
warm plinth
In the context of you feeling safe, how is it not feelycraft lol. If you can play ppal very well, you will feel a lot safer than people who can't. Hence the feelycraft part.
grim pilot
No but it is very strong. S1 tww? The most durable tank by far in a season where tanks are very squishy and cant live shit. S3 df pre havoc nerf? It was like 8 weeks so it doesn’t matter that much, people r testing. S1 df? I started playing back then so idk
cinder kiln
In the context of you feeling safe, how is it not feelycraft lol. If you can pl...
Do you not know what the words mean?
U don't have to dissect everything to annihilation . How hard can it be to get
coarse bay
There’s a lot of factors in deciding the meta tank. Obviously surviving is the most important, then it mostly comes down to what the rest of the comp is
cinder kiln
Surviving.
coarse bay
Surviving.
And every tank can survive this season
warm plinth
Are you fucking okay bro? I just made up my own definition of tankiness based on how you FEEL and you're taking it super defensively for some fucking reason lmao.
grim pilot
Ppal is meta often because it gets good tuning often, but on its own providing no raid buff does matter a bit when you’re talking group damage. So even if it could live, it does much much less damage than other tank/tanks that live as well.
cinder kiln
Prot warr seems easily easiest to survive with without doing much
coarse bay
Prot warr seems easily easiest to survive with without doing much
Like he said, that comes down to comfort picks. Some people might be way better at another class than pwar
warm plinth
You're literally the one dissecting a definition I just made up in my mind and telling me I'm dissecting it too much
Wild shit
cinder kiln
You're literally the one dissecting a definition I just made up in my mind and t...
You're horribly annoying
warm plinth
Lmao okay bro
coarse bay
I personally feel way more comfortable on ppal for example, because it’s my most played
cinder kiln
Trying to sound like a PHD thesis in every answer
warm plinth
What rofl
warm plinth
You're trolling me right?
cinder kiln
Uhm yeah you're not perfect so it must be trolling
warm plinth
Bro what
cinder kiln
No that's exactly impression u give for someone new to the thread
warm plinth
What is happening right now rofl
cinder kiln
It's opinion
coarse bay
He literally gave an answer to your question and you didnt like it
warm plinth
Am I being gaslit? What did I do wrong here
grim pilot
Like he said, that comes down to comfort picks. Some people might be way better ...
Comfort picks matter as well, vdh is discovered to be meta very early because it’s a tank that’s meta quite often (scales naturally very good with aoe, is a tank that’s baseline strong against any type of damage) so everyone tries it and sees if its good before thinking about other tanks which could have similar performance
cinder kiln
He literally gave an answer to your question and you didnt like it
I don't give a damn about his answer and no he gives bad answers in general but still has to be annoyingly injecting into everything
Everyone else had something actually real
It's a yes or no answer to the first question basically
cinder kiln
And every tank can survive this season
Yeah hopefully because they're tanks but some are way squishier
coarse bay
I mean tbf what does squishy mean? Jumpy hp bars? Lol
Warrior and bear would always be meta in that case
grim pilot
Healing attention, if you deplete keys to tank deaths
warm plinth
You know what, never mind. Not sure what I did wrong in answering your question but I did not intend to piss you off, so for that I apologize. Hope you have a good Monday.
coarse bay
Notice how vdh and ppal are always meta
grim pilot
Last season if you played vdh well your hp barely ever moved
At any key level
Except for very specific pulls
cinder kiln
I mean tbf what does squishy mean? Jumpy hp bars? Lol
That's exactly it
cinder kiln
Last season if you played vdh well your hp barely ever moved
Ah ok. Yeah not so much now
What I'm experiencing
What do u think of it this season?
coarse bay
The tank in a meta comp is just one piece of the puzzle
cinder kiln
Notice how vdh and ppal are always meta
You're saying vdh is meta in s3?
I'm talking about purely tanks role
grim pilot
What do u think of it this season?
It’s weaker, does very little st damage and provides basically useless buff for current comp.
Less tanky than prot warrior
cinder kiln
Hallelujah 🤣 good answer
grim pilot
Not sure how tanky it is i only played it drunk
cinder kiln
Hahah
Are they taken in to raids/m+ groups less in general bcuz of it?
This season
cinder kiln
Mythic raiding
grim pilot
Purely pug groups nobody should ever care what tank do they have as long as they covered raid buffs
Yes but mythic raiding varies
You have rwf, high hof, hof, mid ce, ce, 6/8m
At most you can make an argument at hof that you should switch a tank unless you have very specific encounter demanding very specific thing. If you’re like most people i.e pugging your mythic 2/8, 4/8 or 6/8 or even 8/8m late into the season it doesn’t matter. Content is not challenging anymore enough for it to be relevant objectively
grim pilot
In m+ yes, outside of weekly range (up to i.e +12 where you want to take any tank) if you were competing as a vdh against a pwar with similar io, no past experience and same ilv then pwar wins 9/10 times
cinder kiln
M+?
cinder kiln
In m+ yes, outside of weekly range (up to i.e +12 where you want to take any tan...
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grim pilot
In higher pugs vast majority wouldn’t even consider off meta tank which currently is vdh unless it fits specifically into their comp (bear, brewmaster)
jagged pier
cinder kiln
In higher pugs vast majority wouldn’t even consider off meta tank which currentl...
Damn.
Ok
Had the suspicion
coarse bay
I'm talking about purely tanks role
What i mean is that unless a tank is just clearly ahead in every way, which this season is pretty well tuned, it will have a lot more to do with comp synergy
grim pilot
Yeah but it doesn’t really matter till idk, current equivalent of 17’s? Like you shouldn’t even notice it even
If you’re casual just get familiar with the game for starters and play what you want. It won’t change a thing
If you ever decide to get serious and push and spend few hours a day doing it (after you’ve essentially maxed out your character or early season) then I recommend swapping to current strongest pick
cinder kiln
If you’re casual just get familiar with the game for starters and play what you ...
I am Ive tried all 3 now ppal vdh protwar
Ofc vdh is piano but fun but spamming 10 keys just to hopefully remain at same small JP loss of warrior fors with 2 keys
But also not fun going for something u know is gonna be hard to find groups for later on
mighty valley
We're at the end of the expansion, it's not gonna matter for much longer
grim pilot
Vdh is quite easy contrary to the popular belief, it’s just less straightforward than “raise shield get absorb” type
Your gameplay loop involves spamming 2 buttons, 3rd button on cd at all times and use sigils whenever you have them
kind urchin
I don't know what rock some of you have been living under but vdh is not meta this season.
mighty valley
i don't think anyone intended to say that it is
cinder kiln
Your gameplay loop involves spamming 2 buttons, 3rd button on cd at all times an...
Which? Imma give this a try 😅
Which skills*
grim pilot
You spam fracture as much as you can, fill in dead globals with soul cleave (yes you want to overcap fury you dont think about it ever in aldrachi) and use immolation aura on cd. Rest is either a defensive, sigil or you get a cool little glaive from hero talents that you use every now and then for damage
coarse bay
I assumed this convo was more to get an idea on how this stuff works for the future. Unfortunately this season is actually over in like 2 weeks
cinder kiln
Nah this season only
cinder kiln
You spam fracture as much as you can, fill in dead globals with soul cleave (yes...
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Do I have to be drunk for this to work properly
grim pilot
Shouldnt matter much
coarse bay
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Rotationally very simple, imo the more difficult part thatll come with experience is sigil usage
proper roost
I hope it is tuned DFs1 w1 Ruby Life Pools level
holy moly s1 rlp grew chest hair on ppl
i forgot
What a dungeon
Hated how ppl tanked that key the entire expansion
What happened in here damn
coarse bay
Arguing semantics over a dead/done season
proper roost
yeah my motivation instantly disappeared when I realized i only had 2 weeks left
i will try a little bit next season but not enough to burn out
proper roost
poor
prot channel when pwar is op is so exhausting, scrolling up to read all of that was a mistake
people putting their selfworth into what spec they play is so weird and cringe
my shield block button is gray so it's better than the shield block button which is yellow
wowee
weird af
cinder kiln
Arguing semantics over a dead/done season
This just smells of butthurt
cinder kiln
prot channel when pwar is op is so exhausting, scrolling up to read all of that ...
More like full of self proclaimed geniuses full of themselves who cry as soon as someone doesn't wanna hear their convoluted crap without being able to answer a simple question
Or where to steer convos where they want
proper roost
The Kanga hypocrisy, shaking and crying
wrong. all my respect for myself is on how based i am irl and nothing to do with wow
😎
proper roost
More like full of self proclaimed geniuses full of themselves who cry as soon as...
this is the most schizoposting i've ever seen in here for weeks. nj
unreal yarrow
Since you chased Khailby away
cinder kiln
this is the most schizoposting i've ever seen in here for weeks. nj
Don't think you knows hat it means or just made crap up cuz u don't like what's said
Pretty easy English tbf
coarse bay
This just smells of butthurt
About what? Lol idc, u were arguing with someone else not me
proper roost
bro is crashing OUT
cinder kiln
Butthurt is real 🤣
proper roost
has the perfect tank ego already to peak in low keys
cinder kiln
Always happens with these discords
cinder kiln
has the perfect tank ego already to peak in low keys
If u look your posts you're the gigantic ego ranting
At least if u a really said something meaningful or useful it'd be something
proper roost
are you jealous? 😏
coarse bay
This guy actually just joined a class discord just to fight lol
proper roost
Honestly? Sorta based
it is extreme schizoposting though
like he thinks we are all the same person
that he was arguing with
undone beacon
man too much time between new content updates people getting feisty
proper roost
not feisty enough
jagged pier
proper roost
we went like 40 hours between messages last weekend
jagged pier
good
proper roost
No one laughed at the meme I posted earlier
cerulean tusk
proper roost
i hate that they are doing ai cat videos now
Theyre not even like extraordinary cat videos
its like incredibly mundane videos being AI'd
can't have shit in this fucked up world
undone beacon
coarse bay
like he thinks we are all the same person
Ya lmao i thought i was having a discussion, and he argued with someone else but somehow im butthurt
I have to like start wowing soon
stoic pilot
This long season has everyone on edge 
coarse bay
Apparently
proper roost
I have to like start wowing soon
did you/your guild decide on what you guys were all gonna play? You mentioned like last week i think
kind urchin
It's a normal length season though.
coarse bay
Ya we locked in most
jagged pier
how?
coarse bay
It's a normal length season though.
I think a lot of people that played all expansion took a break/finished the season pretty early
jagged pier
theres like 2 months to go
stoic pilot
This is a fateful season + a normal season combined so yeah its dragging on a bit lol
Ive never seen so many people take a break during a season its pretty sad
jagged pier
wow all these ppl complaining, back in my day we used to have 14 month long patches and no bat an eye
coarse bay
Just a normal season with repeat turbo boost and dungeons
coarse bay
wow all these ppl complaining, back in my day we used to have 14 month long patc...
Lmao true i forget that we used to like the same dungeons all expac
stoic pilot
wow all these ppl complaining, back in my day we used to have 14 month long patc...
I survived HFC I can survive this just fine 
Just sad everyone's off
coarse bay
Yall need a spriest
We have 2 healer priests and no spriest
jagged pier
theres nothing wrong with putting the game down if your done with the season imo
coarse bay
I liked wod
jagged pier
shouldnt have to feel like u need to play all the time
plenty of great games out there
coarse bay
did you/your guild decide on what you guys were all gonna play? You mentioned li...
I am once again a raid mage 
proper roost
hell yeah
kind urchin
Average season length since we went to a seasonal type patch cadence has been 5-6 months. We get pre patch in 2 weeks which is the end of the season. Puts this season right in the middle of an average season length. We didn't get a fated season because we're getting shorter expansion cycles.
undone beacon
We have 2 healer priests and no spriest
Sounds like you need gods sexiest goblin spriest
coarse bay
How about rogue
jagged pier
rogue buff is pretty big tbh
stoic pilot
Ive heard rogue is pretty fun in midnight as well
coarse bay
Ya i dont think rogue is ever tuned low enough to not want it
jagged pier
well its poison alone is a reason to bring 1 forget tuning
coarse bay
Changes to assassination sound fun but after playing my rogue in s2 im done with it for now. I miss bfa outlaw
proper roost
we love gambling
i remember the rogue in my df guild would ONLY play outlaw, was incredible based
was mediocre dps almost all the time but sometimes!
sometimes gambling!
coarse bay
Ive never raided as rogue
coarse bay
If i play a dps only class, i want it to at least be a good/ez choice in m+ to make filling vaults or pushing easier
coarse bay
Ik theyre fixing stealth reliance in midnight but i hate playing as or with a rogue in m+
coarse bay
Plus when u play full phys dps, you just kinda lose damage since they tune around full raid buffs
undone beacon
ngl i made a rogue on beta and was immediately overwhelmed lmao
coarse bay
Rogue players are pretty unique lol
To be willing to stick with a class that’s perma ignored and constantly buggy and clanky
Our rogue is rerolling to dh
coarse bay
To be willing to stick with a class that’s perma ignored and constantly buggy an...
By devs
round pendant
Did I miss the drama
undone beacon
Yeah I dont think I could handle it lol
round pendant
undone beacon
Then i go back to what my other officers refer to as "Green rogue" and its just
I gained a shotgun but at the cost of like, three other dps abilities
sadge
Also a shame they gave surv the option to dual-wield but blizz is notoriously bad at making that a balanced choice so
coarse bay
Did I miss the drama
Idk if id call it drama
coarse bay
Also a shame they gave surv the option to dual-wield but blizz is notoriously ba...
Blizzard isn’t capable of balanced choices
undone beacon
Just means my vault will be full of daggers and one handed garbage when all i need is a damn polearm
coarse bay
Like i can only think of a few classes that had close enough tuning between hero specs to actually choose
Lame that there was just a clearly better hero spec every season
undone beacon
Yeah there was usually a raid hero talent and a M+ hero talent, or just an overall better for both
coarse bay
Funnily enough i think bm and mm hunter have the best hero balance, outside of higher content
undone beacon
Hey surv is pretty balanced too >:(
coarse bay
Im not sure i played with a single surv hunter
Maybe only a single surv hunter all expac, and that wouldve been s1
undone beacon
There are dozens of us
undone beacon
Hey in midnight they’re just removing both options and you get what you get
coarse bay
I think niches should be stronger personally, instead of every class having similar profiles
I want classes better at st, cleave, and aoe
I just remembered that tier is separated differently omg
Ill have less tier competition next season
undone beacon
Easy money
fathom oasis
Idk if id call it drama
That whole exchange was definitely something
At any rate, I still think it's not ok to just go and start personally insulting people like he did to ghash
coarse bay
Ya, what an odd reaction he had
proper roost
Did I miss the drama
It's not too late you can make some of your own right now
We could talk about your peoples' "food"
dusky canopy
That thing in a fridge!?
dusky canopy
coarse bay
What do these numbers mean in bald eagle?
coarse bay
Man thats cold 🥶
strong forum
my bedroom is also this cold, but i dont have my PC in there
round pendant
The part of the house my computer is in has no central heating so
strong forum
window open 24/7
hardy snow
finally 
coarse bay
Thats way too cold for me
round pendant
my hands are freezing when I'm trying to click heads 😔
coarse bay
finally <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Grats king
dusky canopy
finally <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Pog! Grats!
strong forum
i member my workbench room during apprenticeship
it didnt have central heating either
so during winter we would start at -6°C each morning
jagged pier
window open 24/7
Based
round pendant
so during winter we would start at -6°C each morning
now that's chilly
strong forum
and have to run electric heaters for like 3+hrs before it became non cancer
NOT fun
hardy snow
strong forum
fastest if you stay in bed and let pc just run
strong forum
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
congrats on world last
coarse bay
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
Are you doing ok?
round pendant
I might start leaving the PC on just to keep some tiny amount of heat output to offset it dropping so cold in here over night
hardy snow
naah, there are two guilds on my server that are under 16%, they will kill it as well I guess
round pendant
but I don't trust leaving the electric heater on
I don't really want to burn my house down
hardy snow
Are you doing ok?
now yes, hour ago not so good XD
coarse bay
I might start leaving the PC on just to keep some tiny amount of heat output to ...
I think it’s bad for a computer to run too cold as well right?
strong forum
I don't really want to burn my house down
would be warm tho!
strong forum
I think it’s bad for a computer to run too cold as well right?
performance wise yes, but not damaging the parts
coarse bay
Good to know
strong forum
youd need to go far into negatives before youd actually damage the hardware
hardy snow
I think it’s bad for a computer to run too cold as well right?
it is, but "too cold" for computer is like sub zero temps
strong forum
yuh
round pendant
ig leaving it on is better in weather like this
since the heat cycles are less dramatic
it'll keep itself warm vs going from almost freezing to 30c idle
jagged pier
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
Jesus i thought u killed it ages ago
Cause u were ahead of my guild
But gratz tho
hardy snow
Cause u were ahead of my guild
yeah, we were smashing pretty well this tier up to nexus-king
but dimensius... oh boi
hardy snow
yea, that was bad
proper roost
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
grats! late CE is still a CE bud
remember, ask anyone when their CE was 5 years ago, none of them old ass mfs remember
jagged pier
I can tell u the date as i just look at date of kill or on achievement 
jade hazel
finally <:deadge:900279927138578432>
GZ!!!
cerulean tusk
finally <:deadge:900279927138578432>
kind urchin
I think it’s bad for a computer to run too cold as well right?
Extreme overclockers use special cooler funnels to pour liquid nitrogen and liquid helium on the processor to keep it at or below zero degrees for maximum performance in benchmarks. The point at which it's too cold would be below -268.9°C.
Granted your drives wouldn't like those temps but they're fine even at sub zero temps too.
proper roost
don't even talk if your computer isn't kept at a permanent 0K
and no longer experiences entropy
jade hazel
I think it’s bad for a computer to run too cold as well right?
I mean, ideally you’d like below room temp or ambient temp. But yes a computer in an environment that’s too cold will stop working.
Unless you’re debauer or whatever
jade hazel
Extreme overclockers use special cooler funnels to pour liquid nitrogen and liqu...
This looks like chatgpt made it
kind urchin
I don't use AI.
proper roost
fun fact that is exactly what chatgpt 2.0 would say
fathom oasis
congrats on world last
race to world last is actually peak content
i watched max stream it on gally last season and it was actually quite thrilling
kind urchin
Another fun fact is that some of us actually use the thing between our ears.
kind urchin
You do realize we're in a discord for a specialization in a video game dedicated to helping people achieve peak performance right? That's not the insult that you think it is. We are aware of our nerd status.
jade hazel
oh yeah, my bad I’ll take my 0 iq non reading ass somewhere else
jade hazel
https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-gif-19367699
I hope you had a good Christmas and new years funky:)
I got new beyblades and, they’re so fun lmao
cerulean tusk
Xmas was great, but expensive. New Years was the perfect kind of chill
Bayblade, eh? Keep spinning and winning mate
jade hazel
Yeah I’d imagine when I had girls they’d want to play with, idk Barbie’s and shit but it’s nerf guns and beyblades
Destruction 24/7
undone beacon
New years wasn’t super cheap but that’s cuz I got a hotel room in DC so I could go clubbing without a DD
Great decision tho
jade hazel
Last time I went clubbing I told my friends if anyone got in a fight I’d never go out again
All fucking 5 of them got into a fight
undone beacon
lmfao
I was not at the kind of place where many fights happen luckily
And it was just me and one other person going out so easy to keep tabs
jade hazel
I go to bars occasionally that’s more a chill vibe
Wish we had more of a bar social culture
Like UK and Germany or Australia. Everyone here unless you’re in a big city or have a “spot” people just drink alone.
undone beacon
Yeah theres not much near me, I have to go into the city if i want that and then its a whole excursion
proper roost
Another fun fact is that some of us actually use the thing between our ears.
nerd ass lol
kind urchin
Oh, that was on my phone
proper roost
Been broke for a while
damn hope u find some financial fortune homie 🙏
proper roost
yeah the consequences of capitalism have been disastrous to the human species
brewjj is woke as hell wtf...
proper roost
Aw look at those fuzzy ears
raccoons are too cute not to be domesticated
i love their freaky little uncanny valley hands
toxic pewter
Raccoons everyone loves meanwhile roll a vulpera and everyone hates you for half a decade
Can’t win in this life
Need a new raccoon race actually
jagged pier
Raccoons everyone loves meanwhile roll a vulpera and everyone hates you for half...
if it wasnt vup but raccoon so many more ppl woiuld play
im still waiting for tuskar
toxic pewter
Foxes are cute too though I don’t get it
jagged pier
bluberr muffin we dont need we need the race
toxic pewter
Like foxes are solid animals
Def at least b tier
Many consider a tier I bet
I’ll never understand the hate foxes get in this life
Anyone that dislike fox I immediately know all I need to know about that individual
jagged pier
I WANT TUSKAR SHAMAN TANK IN GAME
proper roost
vulpera are cute af
jagged pier
BLIZ NEED TO FIX
proper roost
i wish their racials didn't suck ass!
jagged pier
nose for trouble is goated
proper roost
Also all transmogs on vulpera are really bad
jagged pier
and bag of tricks was great for pulling through wals
toxic pewter
Vulpera is considered a very difficult transmog race only the most skilled moggers have what it takes
Not even saying I’m good but yeah I agree mogs are difficult for them
Tuskar would be cool though I would of rolled one immediately
proper roost
vulpera surv hunter is such ratchet and clank vibes i love it
toxic pewter
solid race/spec combo there
gonna be even cooler in midnight imo with slight survival changeup with guns and explosives and crap lol
undone beacon
Goblin survival hunter is the closest I'll ever have to a WoW tinker
so i like it
Also I will die on the hill that Vulpera took the allied race spot from Gilgoblins and that is unacceptable
proper roost
i'm good without the basically surface level race variants
void elf is 
and their only redeeming addition is that the hairs look a bit cooler
and the racial is very neat actually
toxic pewter
ya void elf racials are solid
coarse bay
and the racial is very neat actually
It taking a global throws me off
proper roost
yeah that part is kinda clunky to use
it's just a neat idea for a racial that's a lot more unique
coarse bay
Ya it’s actually pretty clutch sometimes
Last season in mecha whatever dungeon, to skip most of that sneaking section, and this season on some boss fights like loom and frac
I wish it had a shorter cd but i guess there needs to be balance, giving most classes a blink would be too strong
round pendant
raccoons are too cute not to be domesticated
They're kinda being domesticated "naturally"
but yeah raccoons cute af
proper roost
i mean kinda but like
raccoons will still fuck up the inside of your house
I just want like a litter trained raccoon that doesn't cause incredible amounts of property damage
Is that so much to ask
dusky canopy
I want a rocket friend
sonic parrot
Does prot need lots of healer attention in keys or am I being lied to?
dusky canopy
A HoT probably
proper roost
pwar slowly bleeds compared to other tanks because you don't have passive selfheal, but in high keys all tanks need healer attn on tankbusters
The slow bleeding doesn't matter at all unless you're doing 0 healer keys
sonic parrot
Thank you!
proper roost
atm with how pwar is balanced (for the remainder of the season lol) it is the tankiest tank if you just play reasonably correctly
mellow bridge
this is the EHRPS in an ara 21 I played
as you can see, you basically need as much healing as a dps
you dont need anything more than passive healing in almost any pull
and in plenty of pulls you could even live without a healer at all just with leech
cerulean tusk
The real fun is looking at unmitigated damage taken
proper roost
kinda depends what context your friend is talking in tho... it's sort of just an inflammatory statement
and it doesn't matter if pwar is not S tier like now, is kind of a silly statement
proper roost
i guess even when pwar was shit tier in M+ people would ask this question every day
proper roost
mellow bridge
oh and i guess this one is interesting too
this is the heals actually used on me
26 regrowths, 21 rejus, 13 lifeblooms is everything the healer casted directly on me
anything else is random aoe healing
proper roost
swiftmends no?
mellow bridge
efflo is basically just there to apply other shit :p
proper roost
probably just healer misplay tho
proper roost
that's not his problem
mellow bridge
mellow bridge
that's his efflo uptime in the whole key
proper roost
resto druid's problem
cerulean tusk
Tank sabotage
proper roost
healers r there to look pretty not to complain
cerulean tusk
I want you to know, I always stand in green
cerulean tusk
Makes DTPS number go burrrrrrrrrrrrr
ok maybe not
but it is there
"why is shieldblock important"
proper roost
¿que?
cerulean tusk
I heard only bad things about that place
Rumors say they got a theorycrafter with super thin skin
Would I even last a day
cerulean tusk
they got two discords, one for DPS and one for tanks - weird
proper roost
are you surprised
cerulean tusk
I just fail to see, why?
proper roost
i can only speak for why rsham and healer priest (for a short time) had separate discords
and it's because the mods of the dps specs/healer specs did not get along
and the other specs got way bigger ego
proper roost
so if u put 2 and 2 together with tanks...
cerulean tusk
Aight, time to see what the fuzz is all about
proper roost
I can also think of another reason why they'd have left acherus lol
but it's a lot more mean spirited and I wouldn't assume that of the bdks
necessarily
but the possibility is open
cerulean tusk
They seem to only care about DPS, sims and more DPS
proper roost
based
should i ghost my shaman's raid today
i think this must be the play. i have been duped into wasting my time
cerulean tusk
Never ghost, always show up when you agreed to
proper roost
and i have 72 agility to get
cerulean tusk
then be polite after today, say you had enough for now
proper roost
okay, on a moral standpoint: Yes
however, on a more reasonable standpoint, let me offer a counter
cerulean tusk
uhuh
proper roost
Yes.
proper roost
you're not wrong but i'm upset that i can't get validation to do something shitty
game SUCKS
cerulean tusk
You need validation? Aight...
You are doing the right thing, just as we and I knew you would! 
Keep it up! You are strong for making it through the final night of your commitment to the raid team! Not everyone could! You are one in a million!
proper roost
cerulean tusk
You would be suprised how many ppl just cant do this low-bar curtsy to the raid team, and just ghost
the lack of respect for others time is incredible
proper roost
this is why u can never recruit anyone who only does keys
cerulean tusk
I mean, you can recruit PvPers and they will do the raid though farm to next tier. Same for keypushers. Just dont invite asshats
My favorite part of the season is when HoF is done, and all I get are complaints in my chat for the next of the season about how now they could push PvP instead
cerulean tusk
Of course it is, being an arse with a hat, is not a group thing. It is the individuals themselves
So, question is:
Are you an arsehat?
cerulean tusk
If you were the officer or RL, you would just make the "we done for the season" message
proper roost
i would yeah i don't really see why guilds like this even exist
primarily i feel deceived (this is my fault for not doing research but also it's kinda glorpshit you have to do research that some mediocre casual guild is lying)
cerulean tusk
Usually because there are like 4-12 ppl that got good memories in them, and wont let them go.
proper roost
i just wanted to afk 1 day a week in aotc and they are pushing mythic with 9 people (including me) like wtf kind of guild is that
why do guilds like this EXIST
cerulean tusk
Cause people like you are in them
cerulean tusk
It aint one of those that show the history?
proper roost
i didn't say i was smart but also i've been in guilds where half the members don't actually press the signup, only press when they're out, but show up every raid anyway
cerulean tusk
Sign up systems shouldnt be needed, only opt-out.
proper roost
in other words how can u show respect for some mediocre group of people if they have trickery'd you and give 0 respect
😠
cerulean tusk
If the guild got a sign up, and it aint HotC casual, then it is an auto skip guild
proper roost
what i'm hearing is "it's legal to ghost this raid actually"
cerulean tusk
Just make sure to make it your last raid day
mighty valley
responsible guilds should cancel the raid in advance if they only have half the signups needed lol
and not waste anyone's time
proper roost
i think they just pug the entire rest of the raid
cerulean tusk
PuG mythic?
To be fair, I PuG'd Tindral that tier, and did it in 30 attempts. Guild had done 950+ pulls.
So, there are good groups to PuG into
BUT, that is not the ones that PuG 1st boss
coarse bay
Does prot need lots of healer attention in keys or am I being lied to?
When I heal, it’s very noticeable when a tank has proper mitigation or not. In lower keys (like 16 and below), I don’t need to spend a global on the tank, but some tanks ive had to baby sit and it makes the rest of the key harder
proper roost
i think its just legal for me to ghost tbh
mighty valley
pug tindral? of all bosses?
proper roost
morally bankrupt? perhaps
cerulean tusk
i think its just legal for me to ghost tbh
Legal, yes. Right to do? No.
Just suck it up, and go through the raid
you will likely call it early either way
mighty valley
ehhhhhhhhh with the additional context i'm starting to lean towards it's fine
it's not like kanga's presence is required for this half-pug to go ahead
cerulean tusk
Kanga painted a rougher and rougher picture, on purpose, so you would break
mighty valley
i'd probably go half way and be like "sorry gang something came up"
proper roost
Kanga painted a rougher and rougher picture, on purpose, so you would break
there is no context needed beyond 9 signups (i am one of the 9 signups)
cerulean tusk
Harrow is leaning more and more into asshat territory 
If you really dont want to, just tell em "I dont feel like it, I wont raid tonight. I am done for the season".
At least dont be a coward
proper roost
i think it's stil kinda glorpshit that the advert for this guild in the recruitment discord was "we are just an aotc guild"
i explicitly scanned for any mentions of mythic and didn't join any that even lightly mentioned
😠
warm plinth
Kanga is judging me guys
cerulean tusk
You an asshat, that just ghosts?
warm plinth
Wat
coarse bay
Wait whats the tea?
cerulean tusk
coarse bay
I didnt know guilds do like a signup for raid, isnt it just kinda expected to be there if youre a raider?
cerulean tusk
Yeah, it is a bad or HC guild thing
mighty valley
for casual guilds doing flex difficulty, signups are common
cerulean tusk
It is the biggest of red flags if you want to do CE
coarse bay
I dont think a guild can do ce with half ass attendance lol
I think most aotc only guilds have enough members that it doesnt matter
coarse bay
The delve boss achieve ends on season end right?
proper roost
my hot take is that guilds with less than 15 people should just not exist. u should need like 20+ active members to have a guild
😠
coarse bay
I mean 15 decent people can do heroic, but it’s unlikely
proper roost
i legitimately did not know guilds with like 8 people who were trying to recruit existed
Like
again, why does this even EXIST
coarse bay
Unlikely as in probably not gonna find a 15 person guild with all decent players
cerulean tusk
They are the biggest recruiters out there
proper roost
why do i have to check if a casual aotc guild is real
like
that's the biggest waste of time bs
warm plinth
The delve boss achieve ends on season end right?
Getting removed with prepatch if that's what you mean
cerulean tusk
Go do it, its a 4min fight, quick in and out adventure
mighty valley
there are a lot of social groups of ~10 people who wish they were doing something harder than heroic but don't go through the hoops to join/become a more rigorous CE guild
proper roost
😩
coarse bay
Just wait like a month
Im sure recruitment of actual guilds will start up
Like we arent doing recruitment until closer to midnight either
warm plinth
I'm mythic raiding next tier
round pendant
I just want like a litter trained raccoon that doesn't cause incredible amounts ...
wait like a few more decades
jade hazel
my hot take is that guilds with less than 15 people should just not exist. u sho...
There’s guilds/discords with 100s of people and there ends up only being like 10-15 active people, so, sure.
undone beacon
All guilds should coalesce into big sludgy social guilds with thousands of members that auto invite new players
coarse bay
Tbf even ce guilds dont have 20 active members
Outside of first like month you always get raid loggers or people doing minimal vaults and it drops to 10-15 actually active people
mighty valley
All guilds should coalesce into big sludgy social guilds with thousands of membe...
joined a guild called HOW DID EVERYONE DIE on one of my levelling alts way back when for the perks that used to matter
then when i picked up that alt again, no one else in the guild had logged in for years
very appropriate name
undone beacon
i think half of all wow players are in some flavor of "The Old Gods"
proper roost
All guilds should coalesce into big sludgy social guilds with thousands of membe...
always i am saying this
proper roost
shy valve
After yall reach the “beach” on hook tail in gambit how do yall handle that? Run back to where you first pulled him? I feel like I make it so chaotic
kind urchin
I move him back the other way in front of the fire puddles we put down. Or, since healers like to stand in their own place and fuck the whole stack up I just wing it.
ornate parcel
I'll keep going back the way I came from until the first puddles start to clear, then immediately following that breath i reset us back to where we started. Seems to work okay for pugs 🤷
coarse bay
After yall reach the “beach” on hook tail in gambit how do yall handle that? Run...
Also keep in mind that you can start the fight up on the coin pile, gives you 1-2 sets more before following the wall
shy valve
ill have to keep a eye out I just know once we reach the water its chaos lol
jagged gust
Yeah it's called trying to herd cats
shy valve
Yeah usually people are standing way ahead and fill the wall a lot sooner than anticipated.
jagged gust
cerulean tusk
I just tank the boss where adds spawn so funnel can funnel. If an add somehow lives long enough that it gets dangerous, I intervene that target
proper roost
fathom oasis
ill have to keep a eye out I just know once we reach the water its chaos lol
If you pace properly by the time you reach the water you should be able to go to where you started and start clearing up
At any rate, when you run out of space just leap to the other side and start doing the lap again
If the adds get too close dont risk aiming frontal towards the party, just have people cleave them down as you deal whatever cc you can
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
cat is like "okay"
lusty grotto
look at all these remix champs
round pendant
idk why people don't know to stand right up the dragon's butt on hooktail
proper roost
good morning nimchip
lusty grotto
and the big guy
proper roost
idk why people don't know to stand right up the dragon's butt on hooktail
They do, it's just that anyone who knows the keys right now isn't playing
at least, at the key level where people are suffering
round pendant
I never had a key where people were doing it 100% correctly
well that's a lie
I had a couple
but mostly it was always a shitshow for me
proper roost
anecdotally, i haven't had a key this season above 12 where people fucked it up
always did it correctly
and i only played at the end of the season
so yknow
proper roost
it's not a good key imo
lusty grotto
proper roost
I like streets though. I just don't care for gambit
lusty grotto
how dare you
streets is fine now
it wasnt before the improvements
its a good key for sure now
i wonder if bazaar still bugs though
that was painful
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
its all avoidable damage, so you might be right
well for the most part, at least
late trellis
Nexus King, if it’s a pwar + bdk tanking, who should be taking the solo conquer?
jagged pier
itehr
late trellis
I think while screwing up taunts I tried spell block + shield wall to eat it and still died, how do you eat it?
is it w/ a healing external each time? or do you have to line up demo shout as well
jagged pier
ive taken it with nothing but IP before so likely u werent topped
jagged pier
ye
u shouldnt do that
SR and SW should be used every time
but i wasnt supposed to be solo soaking
so if taunts went wrong i had no defesnives and i have survived
late trellis
hm
I feel like I have died before through SW+SP but not sure. I am trying to set up a recruit pwar for tonight, I can maybe have him do it and just document here if it went well
jagged pier
we need logs
late trellis
I’d have to sift through old logs to find it. We’ll try it tonight and see, I just remember being dumbfounded 40% and 30% wasn’t enough at the time.
But it’s possible I wasn’t topped after a vanquish
cerulean tusk
i wonder if bazaar still bugs though
Can confirm all 3 oldies still hardlock you just not as often
plucky knoll
dunno if this fits in here, but the Prot warrior hidden artifact appearance is up just now on EU-Draenor (presumably all of EU)
dusky canopy
look at all these remix champs
Damn bro you’ve been busy!
proper roost
well he dont have a guild
lusty grotto
yes
all im mising is 40 and 49
soloed 40 but..
anything higher, shit just has way too much health
undone beacon
Its easy enough to slide into a +50 group with decent vers
lemme see what key i have on my lemix main
dusky canopy
Bro aren’t you like 999 vers
undone beacon
I have a 44 Seat so, gross
dusky canopy
Just apply to a group
lusty grotto
dw about it though, i need to get more IP anyway cause i gotta carry some idiots after
dusky canopy
undone beacon
I'm just under 700% vers and I've swapped to playing holy priest because hitting Holy Nova and Holy Fire is a lot easier than doing Shadow's rotation
Everything dies instantly anyways so i might as well pretend to have arcane explosion
proper roost
@undone beacon
coarse bay
Holy
jagged gust
Is that an urukhai?
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608>
literally me
proper roost
this is a threat
undone beacon
am i the cat or am i the handprint
proper roost
😏
proper roost
cerulean tusk
proper roost
proper roost
@undone beacon no one will accept ghash's dk please come help carry dps
fathom oasis
rsham discord is randomly deleting the entire discord today
what's going on in the shaman and priest discords
proper roost
idk i thought i esplained
fathom oasis
you seem to be knowledgable
proper roost
they deleted the rsham discord
fathom oasis
meanwhile priest disc pinned super mario with his hole wide open
proper roost
i only mildly observed from a distance
yeah no that's just healer discords
first time?.jpg
fathom oasis
cray cray
proper roost
i've seen worse
warm plinth
What's the rsham discord
proper roost
more like when's the rsham discord am i right
Haha
because it's exploded
ha
holy shit did you guys know the BDK server has like a full on manifesto on why they split from acherus lmao
@cerulean tusk you might wanna see this
this kinda rules lmao
fathom oasis
doesnt acherus have a ! command too?
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> no one will accept ghash's dk please come help carry dps
Damn i just got home, y'all still gaming or nah?
proper roost
i guess no idk
i offered
but he was noncommittal
probably playing cool games w other cool friends
in fairness, why even key rn
warm plinth
holy shit did you guys know the BDK server has like a full on manifesto on why t...
There's a BDK server now? What the hell is happening XD
south zealot
holy shit did you guys know the BDK server has like a full on manifesto on why t...
dude what
is it kyrasis vs mandl fans or what
oh it is i shouldve just clicked it
south zealot
yo
proper roost
are you unfortunately playing midnight
i could not think of literally any other reason you would be leveling shit on remix
noble wagon
Can you guys share good and easy routes for DB? I’m trying to push 12/13s but the standard raider io or threechest routes seem a little goofy to me.
proper roost
what do you find weird about the route
DB is weirdly not that flexible
or like not that meaningful idk what the proper term would be. The ability to vertically traverse gives you access to quite a few routing options, but the routing options themselves aren't that meaningfully different
fathom oasis
I disagree
Ive followed much of the routing talk on this channel for the different m+ season 3 dungeons, and the variety of DB routes I've seen is huge
For all of its shortcomings, I think DB is one of the most interesting m+ dungeons routing-wise
The constant bugs, however, really bring it down
coarse bay
Is there a lot of variety for db? I can’t think of many changes in people’s routes, maybe how they do church area but for the most part everyone pulls the same packs.
The variety comes from timings, cds will control when you go to what packs.
plush tendon
well if you aint doing the trash during 3rd boss intermission, you kind of trolling
but there is some routing options around the first mini boss (the church)
can fight him inside with the 5 pull or do outside
other then that, its pretty much the same as every route
though some groups pull trash on 2nd boss
fathom oasis
Variety may have gone down now that the patch is over
jade hazel
The only variety is if u do the trash pull mid boss or not
Yeah that’s the only big change I ever see
fathom oasis
But you can just search this channel for DB routes and you'll see many differences across the different suggestions
jade hazel
The constant bugs, however, really bring it down
Also the visual bugs.
Purple circles just, disappearing
Or shit just your feet getting clipped on the wood of the ship on the first boss during the obsidian beam
Then you have to fly. Fuck that dungeon
fathom oasis
Quite a few ways to approach the packs near the church, then some people doing stuff down by the plaza, some flying back up
The tech of doing a pack during last boss didnt even come up for a very long time
Ofc im talking about a wide range of keys, not just 20+
Saying there are no different routes, when threcheest and keystone guru alone have like 20 different ones is a bit disingenuous...
unreal yarrow
The original question was about 12/13. There are definitely options at that key level. But to answer you'd need to know what they meant by the route feeling goofy.
jagged pier
I mean at that lvl press w and vibe
warm plinth
well if you aint doing the trash during 3rd boss intermission, you kind of troll...
No one is going to do that in a 13 though.
Also @noble wagon ^ if you want to read the responses. Don't think anyone mentioned you.
coarse bay
Quite a few ways to approach the packs near the church, then some people doing s...
Maybe s1, but plaza is horrible this season
And the tech during boss was pretty early this season
unreal yarrow
You are going to lose someone doing it mid boss on a low key at this point in the season