:)
#protection
proper roost
warm plinth
What ilevel are you now
proper roost
warm plinth
I like keys. I just don't do them by myself (except on Remix ofc)
proper roost
i'm having so much fun!!!
warm plinth
You're welcome to my shit tanking or slightly less shit dps whenever
I prefer to sleep DPS if a tank is available though, since I can turn 97% of my brain off and have the other 3% playing sudoku in my head
warm plinth
why you playing shammy this time around? Just something different?
proper roost
I'm gonna do more when i wake up in an hour
i need legit 400 more gilded crests (or more)
proper roost
I played healer before too, its easiest to get io when undergeared
and kinda lucked into raiding on my warrior
i have no ties to any class, even when I'd like to play my pally 😔
(too many pally players)
warm plinth
I love the aesthetic of prot pally but it's always such a bummer to play
red ferry
@proper roost i thought tanks had control over the dungeon
i guess dps players brains have more
warm plinth
As someone who plays both, the tank definitely has more control
That doesn't mean only tanks can brick keys
red ferry
but ive had two keys in a row now where i didnt brick the key
warm plinth
Yeah having control over the key doesn't mean you have control over whether it bricks or not
lusty grotto
happy holidays everyone
warm plinth
I don't celebrate anything really. I just exist. But I do get the day off work so who cares right
lusty grotto
good enough to celebrate
warm plinth
For sure
red ferry
merry nimchip day
@coarse bay give me a floodgate route because apparently pugs cannot handle W key routing in 10s
warm plinth
This is what I do and have done up to +14
coarse bay
Ya that route will work good, if you struggle with gathering pull 2 itll be ok to split it into 2 pulls and grab the other hyenas there
red ferry
@proper roost
9 deaths all from the mage
but they apologized
i wonder if my damage is bad
coarse bay
Seems fine relative to the group
coarse bay
i wonder if my damage is bad
With 9 deaths you spent a lot of time short a dps so it was just a slower key, which will just mean less dps
red ferry
almost timed an 11 halls
but we had 11 deaths
uhh not enough interrupts i think
we finished it with 20ish extra seconds
for the vault ™
coarse bay
Completion is good, and you should always try for it
Good practice and u need the rewards
coarse bay
I doubt those guys did lmao
red ferry
yeah
lets see if the details death tab shows up
even tho i logged off
people died to the halkias aoe on the first pull
death 1
warm plinth
Yepper
coarse bay
He bing gaming
proper roost
rate toxicity @warm plinth
proper roost
Merry christmas
thank u too
coarse bay
rate toxicity <@255696891000389633>
Not even toxic
proper roost
we did it team
had to literally restart my computer
mid key
now just arakara/both tazavesh
and vault already filled for this week
coarse bay
Large and in charge
proper roost
does flavor pocket still exist
coarse bay
Idk what that is
proper roost
lets u keep food buff after death
didnt count as an embellish
it does not exist anymore. this sucks
proper roost
oh there is a type of food that inherently does it
coarse bay
Only like 2 on ah
proper roost
rip
coarse bay
Is haste mastery good for you
coarse bay
If i remember correctly the hearty food i used was haste mastery
proper roost
gold is fake i'll just buy a bunch
coarse bay
Beledars bounty or whatever it’s spelled is a cheap highest secondary food, but u gotta re eat
proper roost
only sub 700 piece is my ring now 👍
think it's ring belt neck crafts and i'm actually done crafted
coarse bay
Massive
proper roost
and maybe alch stone to rat trinket ilvl
coarse bay
Thats so gross
Since youre crit haste, u could gamba and do hardmode for the ring/neck from streets in myth
proper roost
14 more +12s or higher this week and i'm done gear 
Nah cba
rather spend that time trying to do heroic/mythic raid pugs or smth
proper roost
need heroic soulhunter boots
coarse bay
Ik there’s a plate belt 3rd boss but i havent played mail this season
proper roost
don't think i will make it into mythic bosses without aotc
but ya mythic boss ratting is 2nd boss for healer trinket
thats kinda it
coarse bay
Bad groups dont kill loomi so ud be banking on vault
proper roost
rip
coarse bay
1st and 3rd are the free af ones for everyone
Everything else takes a little coordination
proper roost
tomorrow i'm gonna throw in a bunch of mythic guild apps
i believe in myself
to be able to rat my way in somewhere desperate
coarse bay
Ya if not ill be back home before weekly reset if u havent gotten something and at least 2/8 is free
Ive hosted a ton for alts
proper roost
dont u actually have to kill the boss on mythic to get its loot on vault table?
tho?
coarse bay
Nah not anymore
proper roost
oh shit real
coarse bay
Highest kill unlocks everything before
coarse bay
🫡
proper roost
i do have a 14 db 
coarse bay
That helps
coarse bay
You can definitely find varying levels of skill in all forms of content, including m+
Lmao
I gotta sleep, good luck out there
proper roost
later
proper roost
enjoy this instant catharsis LMAO @coarse bay
he spam pinged me for lusting with the ecodome buff spire things at the end
and instaleft after key in shame lololo
cyan wasp
is this a bug?
- for all non german speakers: its a depricated non s3 token...
all other tokens costs are the correct one
vestal abyss
hey guys quick q
why do we choose mountain thane hero talents? is it more defensive or more offensive or kinda similar?
jagged pier
its both
cerulean tusk
col is more fun tho
vestal abyss
okay cool, i was playing col in leveling and practice keys for vibes and it seemed that switching to mountain thane was causing my ignore pains to just kinda vanish sometimes
is there like something i'm missing for mountain thane or is ignore pain management more difficult with it?
jagged pier
it should be far easier with thane so its likely u are playing incorerectly tbh
vestal abyss
it should be far easier with thane so its likely u are playing incorerectly tbh
why is thane easier tho
like what about thane is better?
vestal abyss
weird, it felt like i had more rage with col, thane feels like its very proc heavy
like bad rng has me begging for rage sometimes
jagged pier
Then you over spending and playing incorrectly as a base, even without tier set etc thane gens more rage with or without procs 
vestal abyss
does the class take more dam baseline as thane/
jagged pier
no
vestal abyss
okay cool, not sure why i paly better as col than thane but i guess that's what's causing it
cerulean tusk
Some times you just vibe with a certain playstyle more, as such play better and have more fun
Playing the optimised way isnt always the optimal option for you
vestal abyss
Playing the optimised way isnt always the optimal option for you
i suppose you're right
the rng on fury i think makes me overspend and overthink, col is super consistent on the other hand so i think i play more conservative with it
cerulean tusk
Don't worry too much about hyperoptimisation, it wont matter before you are at the litteral 0.01% push content. As long what you are doing works, it works. Then you optimise your own gameplay around your own gameplan
Also a lot more fun longterm
vestal abyss
Don't worry too much about hyperoptimisation, it wont matter before you are at t...
it'd be nice to understand mountain thane tho you know
coarse bay
okay cool, not sure why i paly better as col than thane but i guess that's what'...
My guess would be either too much revenge or too low apm 🫡
proper roost
vestal abyss
My guess would be either too much revenge or too low apm 🫡
need to revengen't!
lilac widget
hey guys, is kyveza hardmode easier as a tank spec like the underpin was?
undone beacon
Kyveza is basically “do the mechanics right or insta die” even as a tank so
lilac widget
yeah thats what i thought, but i've watched a couple of guides and they all be recommending tank
i have a arms/prot warr at 730 ilvl and a survival hunter at 729.5
wondering whats the best option
mellow bridge
Early on dps actually had to press defensives and pick up brann health pots to survive while tanks just vibed
Idk how it is now tho
Geared tank with dps brann makes for a pretty short fight
rancid tiger
Doesnt tank also get 1 shot?
warm plinth
There are one shot mechanics. But there is also unavoidable damage
The unavoidable damage was/ is a problem for non-tanks.
cerulean tusk
hey guys, is kyveza hardmode easier as a tank spec like the underpin was?
When I did it, it was 100% easier as Fury - you just want to make the fight end before your brain starts taking a break
red ferry
hey guys, is kyveza hardmode easier as a tank spec like the underpin was?
No
For every spec its
13 minute mechanic fight
The hardest thing is the lines on the floor
Everything else is easy
cerulean tusk
Lies, hardest part is lining up with the shadows >:(
Especially if you were stupid enough to do the fight without outline mode
red ferry
Lies, hardest part is lining up with the shadows >:(
Wrong
theyre easy to see
The floor lines last .5 seconds before exploding
Very fast reacting time needed
cerulean tusk
ya did not do enough pulls
rancid tiger
👌🤣
red ferry
<:Hydrate:690891013350228028> ya did not do enough pulls
I dont use addons
Like some people
I do things the normal way
rancid tiger
Addons?
cerulean tusk
I did 103 pulls, to get that down - and I did 50 pulls without graphic settings to see the shadows
There are addons?
rancid tiger
What addon can help?
delicate vector
Hardest thing is to get the ui/visual setting correct
cerulean tusk
Fair enough
rancid tiger
Ofc. Not he killed late
red ferry
It didnt get nerfed
cerulean tusk
Dude, 70 would have impressed me
red ferry
whats there to nerf
mellow bridge
13 minute mechanic fight
It's like 4 min with gear lmao
rancid tiger
6m
cerulean tusk
I dont even remember how long it took w1
red ferry
Was your brann maxxed
cerulean tusk
all I know it felt like forever
red ferry
My brann is level 10
rancid tiger
My bran is healer?
red ferry
Why healer
mellow bridge
He's like 40 now or so
red ferry
Does nothing
mellow bridge
My bran is healer?
Put it as dps if you're in tank spec
cerulean tusk
I dont do delves
kind urchin
Merry Christmas everyone.
rancid tiger
Becoz i did it as dps
cerulean tusk
Merry Christmas everyone.
red ferry
U should be fine
mellow bridge
As prot warr it took me about 9 min week 1
mellow bridge
I did it on my BDK for fun yday, was like 3-4 min
cerulean tusk
Nah
red ferry
Everything else is a dance
red ferry
shadows are NOT hard to see
cerulean tusk
LINES ARE EASY TO DODGE
mellow bridge
Lines are easy until you get a pattern that isn't easy
cerulean tusk
Just leap ya fool
mellow bridge
Cheater
cerulean tusk
delicate vector
actually hardest part is for the dps brann to not commit sudoku on first circles and fuck up the succ
red ferry
I could probably do it in 5 minutes if i had 710 gear
And a levelled brann
But why would i do that garbage again
red ferry
yea
cerulean tusk
Damn that rat in a hat! Keeping the goods from me
warm plinth
im in stormwind
Alliance tree is in Ironforge i thought?
red ferry
Oh
upbeat plover
Lmao
coarse bay
Khailby’s all grown up
Such a warrior thing to argue about what they think is objectively harder and easier when sharing opinions 
coarse bay
I still havent even tried it but i should get it before end of season
Any advice khailby i dont wanna be there 70 pulls
red ferry
ilvl 710 and max brann
coarse bay
How about 730 and max brann, give me actual advice silly goose
Like leap for circles cuz circles do more damage
Idek know what circles
red ferry
Theres three mechanics
coarse bay
Ik it has nexus king ghosts and lines
red ferry
Theres nothing to givr advice on genuinely
Its all sightreadable
Yeah
You look at the ghosts
You dodge the lines
And you plant the circles in a cone
Just like saladbar
coarse bay
Ill run a gambling den
Where everybody bets gold on how many pulls itll take me
And ill pocket the gold unless someone was right
red ferry
Banned
delicate vector
check some yt video about correct video settings so you get proper outlines for ghosts
coarse bay
Is it not like nexus king ghosts
coarse bay
Kind of
red ferry
It spawns a set of ghosts
In order
You must look at each one
And then continue to face them
coarse bay
U’ll gain stacks of a debuff if u miss them
red ferry
no they dont
round pendant
mery chrysler
narrow jay
If you have a druid they can cyclone you if you miss ghosts and when the cyclone ends the Mc is gone and you dont die and keep playing
Oh sorry I thought we were talking about mythic nexus king i scrolled up and saw it was about kyveza
proper roost
great gifs yogi
red ferry
great gifs yogi
@proper roost what purpose do boost tokens even serve
like
lemix exists
:majj:
proper roost
I'm just a cat I don't know anything
pallid quiver
if you want to maximize your keys per hour, just brick the key on the first pull every time, ez
that's how you compete in most keys done as efficiently as possible
red ferry
race changes are $17 
shouldve picked dark iron dwarf instead of dwarf
that way i could actually blacksmith in midnight
tribal wharf
"If they got us surrounded, that just means we can skip the aimin'." is a great quote
coarse bay
if you want to maximize your keys per hour, just brick the key on the first pull...
We dont talk about almost keys, but complete keys
coarse bay
<@116366605818134530> what purpose do boost tokens even serve
Theyve always been there for casuals that dont know anything. Leveling has always been incredibly fast, but a bit of time.
There used to be a method to buy a copy of wow for cheap on another site and add it to your blizz on another wow acc and ud get the boost on your main wow. So I used to get like $20ish leveling boosts, sadly they caught on.
red ferry
ok but
i shouldve made a dark iron dwarf warrior instead
for blacksmithing
should i delete my main
or race change for 20$
red ferry
uhhh everything is my fault and they are all bricked
coarse bay
@proper roost verify?
A tank can fuck up a lot in low keys before they are the cause of a brick
Like much later sure, pulling wrong or dying will brick it and its your fault
But youre at the level that you can afford mistakes
proper roost
we had 40 deaths on arakara 11
coarse bay
Idk its one of the dungeons where u need to at least half way do mechanics
proper roost
@coarse bay
coarse bay
Lol route for 18s
coarse bay
What dungeon and pull
coarse bay
Idk u honestly should be fine with bolts getting by
proper roost
and then he did it again without lust
coarse bay
That is not a thing
red ferry
kanga
red ferry
i did exactly what kanga told me to become
and kanga doesnt like looking in a mirror
and now shes saying offensive things to me
:(
coarse bay
Those casters have a wipe cast that people dont like to kick
Its like the 3rd cast they do
At least finished tho right since at end
coarse bay
I mean its not like u guys have run a lot of gambits, its fine to just send and learn
proper roost
ya
thats what i said and then he repulled it 3 times
LOL
and then blamed me
for wanting to learn if its doable
idk what to say
i cba
insanely toxic
round pendant
I think Khailby is a masochist
proper roost
i won't psychoanalyze, but it's like
actually insane to me to blame someone else when u salty tank repull 3x
Everyone here has been there, 100%
u definitely do the salty tank repull but to go around and blame me because I said to do it with lust up is insane
and that level of gaslighting/ego i cba with, it's the worst person i've keyed with ever in my life, fullstop
and i've keyed with all kinds of ppl since legion
red ferry
hurtful
proper roost
idrc sorry! Have fun with other players
round pendant
Which pull are we talking about
round pendant
what did you do instead
red ferry
8 and 9 with the small guys from 10
proper roost
10
round pendant
Yeah that's not going well in a pug
red ferry
it was just giving me bad vibes
i think its for the best we dont play together
she doesn't have the friendly mentality of waiting for growing pains
round pendant
I mean, we could all see that coming
red ferry
which is totally fine but not for me
red ferry
I mean, we could all see that coming
yeah
proper roost
holy the gaslighting
round pendant
What did I do???
red ferry
don't feed it yam
she needs some time to calm down and i think we'll all be better later
round pendant
You were the one being incessantly snarky towards Khailby from day 1 for daring not to know things. Obviously if you actually played with him with that attitude it's gonna go poorly
I'm good lil glorp
red ferry
thanks twin
round pendant
I don't have a problem with either of you
red ferry
yam come to NA servers and play wow with me
round pendant
But I called it out as a weird dynamic from the get go
round pendant
I mean some people just clash and some people aren't good at being patient with people who are slower to pick things up (in their eyes)
You're both fine people
let's not throw shade 
warm plinth
Merry Christmas all
red ferry
merry christmas doot
proper roost
i got to the very last boss of arakara and tank d/ced
cerulean tusk
Shoo, back to furryland with you
cerulean tusk
should've ran out, respecced to prot, and finished it
red ferry
@undone beacon when are we playing games
proper roost
i always cheated 😎
warm plinth
true... let me just...
Bob tank!
cerulean tusk
Man #protection is going down the drain, noone is playing Pwarrior in here anymore
proper roost
welcome to 2022 lmao
undone beacon
Shaman tank, NOW
warm plinth
I just did a pwar key uh
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> when are we playing games
I’m not home today bb, soon™️
proper roost
it was so much worse in SL and DF
warm plinth
Whichever day that was
cerulean tusk
^ this
proper roost
yesterday LOL
warm plinth
And we timed it by a lot
proper roost
priory is chill
warm plinth
No priory bad. Kill with fire
I'm super psyched for seat next season let me tell you
undone beacon
I won’t miss priory
proper roost
whats the rotation
undone beacon
Nor will I miss tome
undone beacon
whats the rotation
proper roost
magisters terrace??
undone beacon
New version
coarse bay
Money money money
cerulean tusk
attack
coarse bay
Ya i was typing it, it popped up and then went away instantly and i couldnt get it back
warm plinth
I have no issues with it. I'm curious, what type of phone do you guys have?
undone beacon
iPhone
undone beacon
Ya i was typing it, it popped up and then went away instantly and i couldnt get ...
This is what happens yeah, gets like overwritten by all the people with “Val” in their name
cerulean tusk
Samsung Galaxy workphone edition
coarse bay
It works sometimes
warm plinth
Just wondering if it's maybe an iPhone discord issue
proper roost
algethar kinda slaps
skyreach sucks
i don't think i've ever done seat in my life (I quit before argus patch)
pit of saron might actually be a decent key dungeon
nvm I just realized pit of saron has like the gauntlet shit at the end 
kind urchin
I was never a fan of seat. And as I remember most of the community back in Legion also didn't like it. Got a bunch of people with rose tinted glasses on not remembering how much that place sucked back then.
pallid quiver
i don't remember how bad it was because i'm too busy remembering how much i hated legion
proper roost
💀
jagged pier
Terrible pool
proper roost
Skyreach actually isn't that bad but there are a lot of random fixate mobs that are really cringe
jagged pier
Fucking terrible
proper roost
and i really don't like the pushback boss
pallid quiver
Thinking past on my past feelings, Legion was the expansion that I felt the worst about in the entirety of WoW's history (that I played)
undone beacon
I look back fondly on Legion, not on seat tho that was always a dead key
pallid quiver
Legitimately, I think SL is worse than Legion, but I didn't feel as bad
proper roost
that's fair tho the amount of confounding factors
like I enjoyed WoD because i had a bunch of great guilds b2b
pallid quiver
The way legos worked at the start absolutely burned me really hard and tempered me for years to come, probably
proper roost
but objectively terrible expansion lmao
pallid quiver
my guild died going into wod
so i skipped wod
and i have never joined a guild since
coarse bay
The rogue
proper roost
true...
pallid quiver
for a second there, I thought that was just a raid of fury wars in Legion and was like, "the fuck is the bdk doing on those charts"
proper roost
The first death I healed that guy through 4 ticks of beam slicer.............
4 ticks!!
undone beacon
Legitimately, I think SL is worse than Legion, but I didn't _feel_ as bad
The legendary/AP rng/grind def sucked but conduit energy was the worst fucking thing and felt awful
God forbid you played multiple specs
Or specs that wanted different covenants
pallid quiver
I think conduit stuff didn't feel as bad because I just lumped it into the "This is what WoW is doing now" and felt whatevers about it
pallid quiver
any 1st legendary prydaz havers in the chat?
me
undone beacon
I also didn’t play super seriously at the start of legion so getting gapped by legendary rng didn’t hit as hard
I played MM and my first leggo was blasting caps LOL
pallid quiver
Legion was the first time someone ever told me to just scrap my character and just roll a new one, bro
and that felt like shit
proper roost
at least I was playing a tank but it was so fucking troll, literally like 80% of my legendaries were good 💀
coarse bay
for a second there, I thought that was just a raid of fury wars in Legion and wa...
In EN i think it was the spider boss where a raid of bdk’s killed it in seconds
pallid quiver
I really like playing the character, not the toon
proper roost
interesting
undone beacon
Yeah that’s fair enough
pallid quiver
So my character's history matters a lot to me, even if I don't actively roleplay or anything
undone beacon
I don’t want to roll multiple hunters to game bad luck protection, I want to play on my character
coarse bay
I never got bad enough legendaries to brick thankfully
undone beacon
The legendary system def was contentious, but personally the beginning of shadowlands felt worse to me. Of course different lived experiences haha
pallid quiver
And coming into the fact that I was also fresh out of having guilds to play with, few friends, I just constantly rubbed up with the worst side of the expac
the burn of sl just didn't hurt as much since i was already numb
I think SL is probably the worst expac I ever played in terms of like design, but Legion felt the worst for me personally
undone beacon
That’s fair, already jaded
I also remember for some reason I was like, I’m gonna swap to ret pally for SL and then SL started and I was like fuck that
warm plinth
I haven't ever cared about shit like that. Bad lego good lego idc.
undone beacon
It did feel kinda bad when you didn’t have a leggo that was important to your build so you were just kinda gimped compared to the guy on your team that did
And by kinda feel bad I mean it sucked hard
warm plinth
Just don't raid ez
jagged gust
Legendaries not being legendary was pretty lame
I shouldn't have to worry about optimizing them, I should be lucky one person in my guild has them imo
Make them have a little star next to their name on logs
proper roost
boomer take smfh
coarse bay
Legendaries were fun in legion and i miss them, excluding the negatives
I wanted legendaries in lemix
proper roost
legion legendaries were so fun they made most of them into class talents
avengers shield used to only hit 3 targets!
ever!
being overgeared kinda slaps, had to heal through 12 hoa 3rd boss with the ghosts ticking literally the entire fight
tribal wharf
pit of saron will be rage fests
proper roost
we did it team, now crafting trash slots like ring/neck/maybe belt
270 more crests to go
proper roost
normal mode pugs are so funny
tf this guy mean monk taunt doesnt pull aggro 💀
bro thinks his taunt is 50/50 broken
pallid quiver
just wait until you have people yelling about aggro control
proper roost
nah bruv i'm just dpsing idc what these bricks do
dpsing raid unbelievably chill. basically like playing solitaire
37 seconds is CRAZY
jade hazel
normal mode pugs are so funny
I get upset at the tank shortage, then see this shit and I’m reminded it’s a good thing.
proper roost
tank shortage is good for u tho
toxic pewter
https://tenor.com/view/bwah-scared-shocked-surprised-king-of-the-hill-gif-554782...
Lmao I understand what you did here
I tell ya hwhat
proper roost
i snaked my way into a h fractilus, died in the first 10 seconds, and got the kill @coarse bay
👍
Just joking they wiped at 2%
Real close tho!
tribal wharf
tf this guy mean monk taunt doesnt pull aggro 💀
i think what he means is taunt is just a spike in aggro and not a speed bump, which would send the car (keystone) group flying and crashing
its not like you have things to gain additional increased threat as dps or healer, and they want to delay some debuff going on tank it seem
that and probably has some cooldown to survive it or just knows the bosses melee or a bility doesnt 1 hit them
vestal abyss
i think what he means is taunt is just a spike in aggro and not a speed bump, wh...
o tru it's like a spike and not a speed bump
tribal wharf
i m ean i know you get threat from dealing dps or healing
but as a tank you have increased threat multiplier, so a better than average tank wouldn't have that problem
and maybe they have experience with tanks below averagae
coarse bay
Just joking they wiped at 2%
Classic
kind urchin
Taunt puts you at the top of the threat table, forces the enemy to attack you for the duration and increases threat generation for the duration.
proper roost
🍿
cerulean tusk
Oh you know it
proper roost
dps warrior moment
t b h with u
i feel like the most consistently dps warriors give truck nutz vibes
proper roost
feel like its like a good dh
guys r literally immortal
if they just dont stand in shit
cerulean tusk
True, not standing in shit do be hard
unreal yarrow
Not standing in shit is kinda key
cerulean tusk
wasd is the main skill in WoW after all
proper roost
you dont even get the massive rizz buff that casters do when they stand in shit to tank it
if ur mdps you can just move 24/7
cerulean tusk
I honestly think, based on how he wanted to reset the key cause his dam was low. That he a raider log racoon main
Cause he was all decked out
proper roost
it honestly sucks u have to key if raids and raid if keys
no one wants to have to deal w raidlog only andys
cerulean tusk
I dont mind much, it helps have the playerflow dip a bit into both
proper roost
and guilds don't want to deal with m+ only loot gremlins
cerulean tusk
Well, that is fair
And I know multiple of em gremlins, even if they managed to burrow themselves into HoF tier guilds for their loot feast
They learned that:
If I stay, next season I get more gear
proper roost
idk if there's a better solution than what we have now
It's just slightly annoying sometimes. I definitely know plenty of raid only enjoyers that hate having to do keys
cerulean tusk
Yeah, same. I just don't get their PoV. As for me, it is just more of WoW, in WoW? If you get my meaning
proper roost
i mean, it's the most dynamic content imo (even if a lot of that dynamism comes from other players being very unpredictable)
but i kinda get it. especially the primary tanks in a lot of raiding guilds i feel do not care for key tanking
really different skillset
even if i'll make fun of raid only tanks 🙈
i actually don't personally know anyone who primarily tanks keys and tanks raid, at high levels on both
Idk how you wouldn't be bored to death and want to commit die as raid tank
cerulean tusk
I got the different experience, where raid primary tanks on my list - they need to be told what to do, once, but they are fucking machines at effiency of doing the plan.
Spend 10min before the key, they locked in - during the whole key, they will stick and adapt the plan as needed like a machine.
Prob why those guy dont enjoy it as much, they are simply too brain-on for it. It gets mentally taxing.
(and yeah, raid tanking is boring AF, after the fight is solved)
proper roost
my experience with a lot of raid only tanks is that if you give them any deviation from the plan in a key, they shortcircuit
and this is why i hate them!!
cerulean tusk
I love em, all tanks are tank bros
❤️
Well, except Ppaladin players
Tinfoil tanks
proper roost
so are key tanks
but u kinda have to be
i have never met a high io key tank that isn't cocky
cuz otherwise they'd break from pugs 🙈
round pendant
Idk since I don't meet them
When I've played DPS or healer the tanks are either forgettable or god awful
But I never get to the same key level as my tank cause I get bored
unreal yarrow
Key tanks earn it. Raid tanks that aren't also raid leaders don't
jade hazel
imagine hating ppal for being tissue paper and not vdh smh
I think Funky was referring to their mental resolve
undone beacon
idk I raid tank, raid lead, and key tank and man doing all three is exhausting
If I was just raid tanking without raid leading i think it would be a lot more chill but having to herd cats at the same time fucking sucks
round pendant
My friends got mad when I stopped wanting to tank in raid
So I just stopped raiding entirely
undone beacon
Esp when the fights are no longer trivial, like having to raid lead while three healing mythic nexus lmao
jade hazel
idk I raid tank, raid lead, and key tank and man doing all three is exhausting
then it’s basically expected of you by the people you play with and if you don’t you’re basically guilt tripped into doing something you’re bored of
round pendant
Thank god guilt tripping doesn't work on me
undone beacon
Oh yeah last season I was basically our guild's only tank since our other tank was a big raid logger so i was the tank bitch for a while
then i just kinda stopped and oh well!
play a tank or pug a tank nerds
undone beacon
I like key tanking but it stresses me out way more than key dpsing
proper roost
would play my warrior if i didn't put off resubbing for forever tho
undone beacon
On the flip side, key dpsing takes 18 years to start a key
proper roost
yea i mean
it is the #1 agency haver in keys lol
But as cam mentioned a bit ago, it's aids to get back into key tanking late in season too
round pendant
I find key dpsing so boring
undone beacon
Play a survival hunter thats never boring cuz you have motherfuckin bombs
proper roost
like in the first couple weeks u can just do giga demon routes and no one even knows any better
in week 20 if you do a demon route 💀
jade hazel
But as cam mentioned a bit ago, it's aids to get back into key tanking late in s...
How so? I usually switch to prot at the end of the season when there’s less people
round pendant
Well you get bullied if you don't know the perfect streamer route
Once everyone learns it they lock it in and it's the only thing their brains can comprehend
If you deviate, you're trash and should uninstall
undone beacon
How so? I usually switch to prot at the end of the season when there’s less peop...
People tend to 1: have expectations of routes based on streamers/MDI/key pushers that trickle down to lower keys and then get upset when they're not executed the same and 2: be playing alts/new characters and are less experienced in dps/healing so keys are just less smooth as better players quit or are doing harder content
Its not impossible but early, mid, and late season are all really different environments
jade hazel
They truly are lmao
round pendant
Play a survival hunter thats never boring cuz you have motherfuckin bombs
Class fantasy doesn't keep it going for long for me
jade hazel
I enjoy raiding this late in the season, so many shit alts and weird builds and people just trying stuff out
round pendant
Dpsing is just kinda brain off dodge fire do rotation and sometimes kick
I fall asleep 😔
undone beacon
I love survival as a spec even when its not good so, it keeps me happy playing it
jade hazel
Idk I feel like I be doing the most dps’ing
I feel like I do way more as a dps for the team then a tank idk
M+
round pendant
Tanking at least has solidifying your route and figuring out how to best pull for your group, mitigation timing, etc
There's always something to do better
proper roost
Ya also switching to tank late season when you know what all the mobs do is WAY different from doing tank blind late season
like
incomparable
legit
jade hazel
That’s my biggest downfall tanking. Wanting to do route homework 
round pendant
As DPS it's just timing your cds better but then getting briefed by the pig tank doing dumb pulls
proper roost
Cuz u dont even know what mobs kill u or tankbust
coarse bay
How so? I usually switch to prot at the end of the season when there’s less peop...
Switching to it after playing the season isnt as bad as coming to season late after not playing the dungeons
round pendant
Pug tank* lmao
proper roost
but ya i would say the route homework thing is what holds a lot of people back from doing key tanking
round pendant
That’s my biggest downfall tanking. Wanting to do route homework <:danderson:904...
I just learn as I go and take a small look at others routes and adjust mine once I get into scary key levels
proper roost
Its sorta annoying
jade hazel
I just learn as I go and take a small look at others routes and adjust mine once...
Personally just having my guild tank dps and tell me what to do in vc lol
coarse bay
If anything I think you benefit from dpsing before tanking, because you see different variations of routing and can decide which ones felt shit without doing it yourself
jade hazel
I’d like to agree
coarse bay
If you 100% tank you never see other tank ideas unless u spend time on twitch or something
proper roost
ya thats the worst part about maining key tank
Just no way of knowing if you're just playing the game
And just sending 1 different version isn't going to feel good if you're unused to it
strong belief that people should be forced to both tank and heal keys but idk
coarse bay
Healing kinda teaches you some things buuuut
Ik a lot of healers that dont pay attention to routing and stuff
proper roost
makes u way better at the game to play all 3 roles at a decent level
coarse bay
So they hop on another role and dont know whats going on
unreal yarrow
Good god, please don't make dps mains heal. Why make their entire group suffer?
proper roost
It's okay, most key healers already suck
Wouldn't really be a downgrade
mostly the downside to that is just that you definitely do not have to be good at healing or tanking to be a cracked dps keyer
dont need to know shit except where pulls will be for your cds!
round pendant
If you 100% tank you never see other tank ideas unless u spend time on twitch or...
yeah but if at that point I'm feeling like my route isn't good enough
I'll just spend 10 minutes looking at other routes
and at that point I've learned enough about the dungeon to understand why people would do it differently
vs just blindly following a meta route from the start
coarse bay
Idk i think its really beneficial to FEEL the routes from other perspectives. Tank pov can just not show the big picture
But ya once uve done it enough u can tell a lot by just seeing an mdt
proper roost
i think there's just a lot of things where you can not have an issue with a route
round pendant
idk I can't engage my brain when dpsing
proper roost
But like minor adjustments
round pendant
I'm literally just chasing a good spot on the meter and half asleep when playing dps
proper roost
are really hard to find when tank only imo
coarse bay
You also cant always tell the scary pulls for team survival
Because its usually scary for the dps or healer
Idk a lot of it can be figured out, but theres a lot of tanks that have their own routes in like vault keys, and they feel very bad
cerulean tusk
Comfortable for the tank, for 100% sure, doesn't meant for rest of the group
proper roost
i've seen like 20 different hoa opening pulls now with the same basic idea but entirely different execution
and it drives me crazy
proper roost
i'm gonna assume cam's is the most correct one but 1 of them yesterday just randomly did like 3x the damage of any other version of that route and I wanted to fucking die
mighta been cuz devoker was doing 1m dps and died twice to ground shit idk!!
cerulean tusk
Ya doot the two guys that run at you, run left into the blob. When the patrol arrives you grip on the houndmaster
coarse bay
Out of all hoa routing, first pull should never be different
proper roost
ya i mean the VERY FIRST pull, i've seen so many variations
cerulean tusk
Well, you got left or right opener
proper roost
and it's weird!!
proper roost
like, all going left and hitting the first middle shard
coarse bay
I feel like people did right opener in ptr and maybe first week but it just didnt catch
proper roost
legit impossible idk any routes rn cuz i'm healing LOL
Just sometimes people grab 1-2 extra packs from the right side or less
coarse bay
Oh ive seen someone pull the stuff in front of entrance
And one of those has 3 obliterators
Actual death
cerulean tusk
I would do that if I had grippyhands still, just to spite the group
coarse bay
Ya obliterators are very ruff
Thats why the 2nd and 3rd pulls got changed around in routes early season
U drop right side and do the dog guys in mid
Then u pull the 2nd shard while avoiding the 2 obliterators
Its also for cd timing
proper roost
Also not throwing shade but I feel like a REALLY nice thing about watching other tanks in actual keys is occasionally you see how someone gathers way faster than you
coarse bay
I dont remember which, rsham or rdruid, but in title keys they actually can do different
proper roost
i think moooost tanks who aren't mdi level but good otherwise probably could learn to gather faster
which is rly fucking annoying when you want to lust but tank takes 10 extra seconds to gather
jade hazel
helps if the tank can communicate to a mage/hunter to pull some extra stuff as well
cerulean tusk
Sounds like DPS ain't helping the tank to me
unreal yarrow
I mean gathering is the skill used in m+. Rotation is simple and so is using a defensive when you see a buster coming
proper roost
and i don't really think you learn methods to go that much faster if you dont watch other people
and you get comfortable with your own playstyle
unreal yarrow
True
coarse bay
It’s pretty rare for a dps to be involved in the pulling
coarse bay
Isnt that what they said
pallid quiver
the implication is that DPS be pullin' all the time
jade hazel
i dont pug anymore dont listen to me
coarse bay
Like when im in a full comm group, ill say that i need something pulled in, but how many people are actually with a full party
cerulean tusk
the implication is that DPS be pullin' all the time
proper roost
there's always like a 5% chance that a pug tank rages out and tilts if i pull anything for them
so i don't usually
coarse bay
Ive done it, even being a tank
cerulean tusk
Smart
proper roost
it's low but it happens
coarse bay
And when it happens to me i get pissed
But tbf im confident in my routes and i track cds
pallid quiver
there's always like a 5% chance that a pug tank rages out and tilts if i pull an...
and that's on toip of the like 60% baseline chance for them to rage out and leave every minute that passes smh
jade hazel
tbh I really enjoy stressing tanks out that just got into 10-12s
proper roost
its just annoying when people do baby pulls or w/e
cerulean tusk
Worst part is if you as a tank are halting to wait for CDs to gather. Then DPS "helps"
You flop, they scream
jade hazel
Worst part is if you as a tank are halting to wait for CDs to gather. Then DPS ...
nah nah
lusting while gathering
coarse bay
My goal isnt to stress a tank out, but when its me and 2 other friends trying to get a quick key before raid, and we’re holding cds for 3 minutes expecting something
Then my orb is gonna accidentally pull something
proper roost
💀
coarse bay
Or i have a friend that really likes big pulls for their cds
And theyll tell me to do it
I listen
proper roost
that's the most annoying thing about rsham!! i can't secretly pull anything
on my hpal i could holy shock a pack and you cant tell because the animation is fuck all
the flame shock gives it away on rsham 😔
coarse bay
A chain lightning flying over lmao
I dont think most tanks have enough spare cognitive load to notice
Theyre all staring at bars
proper roost
almost never
jade hazel
if i didnt have invis as a mage i would die so many times in 10-12s from getting threat lmao
proper roost
but it was easier to ninjapull as hpal
jade hazel
i got threat on p2 of saladbar the other night and almost had a stroke staying alive
coarse bay
Idk one of my guildies pushed title as tank s2 and wanted to fdk this season because theyre a long time dk main, but theyre gonna be doing some blood in keys next expac
proper roost
anyway good motivation to play pwar now that i'm done with rsham for the week
proper roost
Yuge
jade hazel
best thing to do in wow is befriending a tank
coarse bay
Problem starts
When all friends are tanks
Like i have to have so many dps alts because everyone wants to tank
Except this season
jade hazel
my guild wants me to heal:0
proper roost
Don't do it. Raid healing is ass
jade hazel
im never going to heal lol
proper roost
More or less comparable to raid tanking boring af
coarse bay
Ya its even more scripted, im ok with scripted
proper roost
Key healing is ok but you have less agency than dps, you can just save fuckups
coarse bay
When im healing im just following along not part of the team. If it goes wrong im just like “welp i did my part”
jade hazel
idk what healers do in keys, you have so much damage mitigation with every spec, and if you just dont stand in shit, idk. doesnt seem like a healer has to do much (in most keys) if the group is cohesive
proper roost
even when healers are op like end of xpac it's usually not particularly impactful for speed of a key
DF S2/3 was ok u could do kinda decent DPS as convoke rdruid
proper roost
idk what healers do in keys, you have so much damage mitigation with every spec,...
you heal rot damage and press dps buttons
proper roost
o yea and cc so the DPS don't lose DPS
unreal yarrow
They smite, it's awful
coarse bay
Healers rn have so much passive that u mostly dps, and occasionally hit a cd or heal
In lower keys obviously, i only healed up to 15s
jade hazel
tf am i doing. i should actually really just go heal main and get title and get treated like a pretty girl by everyone cause they dont want to heal
idk what a good healer is becasue so many of them have boosted io's solely from... just... being a healer lmfao
coarse bay
Like i do think there is crazy healer privilege in io and raid
jade hazel
or priory first pull
coarse bay
But top levels its probably one of the hardest things
jade hazel
there's some really hard shit they do
proper roost
there's healer priv cuz no one wants to play the click boxes role 💀
on paper its horribly boring
jade hazel
isnt how i expected the day to be going, should i go pres?
proper roost
idk how people stand prevoker, I do not like how imprecise the heals are
Their like, half cast things
coarse bay
Pres is like kinda fun
But when put into actual practice
Too much set up to do anything
I think theyre changing a lot of it in midnight, but it doesnt change the biggest negative of playing one
You have to be an ugly scaly
proper roost
Unironically though I think it's very fun to hop into keys pretty blind as a healer in like 10s or so. Very doable rn, very forgiving 👍
u should try
you could just be complete garbage on a rdruid or something and spam regrowth the entire key and you'll be good
Just not pugs, play with a friend tank and it'll be chill
jade hazel
You have to be an ugly scaly
Could have Murlocs
But no
Why the fuck didn’t we get the cool Scalemander variant dragon
proper roost
if you have key tanked a lot, you'll be like "wow key healing is easy af why dont more people do it"