protection

[red ferry]

isnt midnight removing half their gcds

[coarse bay]

Ya ive heard good things about midnight bdk, i dont wanna touch it till then

[red ferry]

these are my dh binds

[coarse bay]

If your goal is ce then bdk is a strong tank

[red ferry]

so

[coarse bay]

Whereas vdh is the weakest raid tank usually

[red ferry]

heres a pretty arrogant question

if the choice of tank(s) you bring to a boss is the reason you're not killing it

[coarse bay]

Not happening

[red ferry]

exactly

[coarse bay]

It can make prog harder

[red ferry]

vdh just has

insane vibes

[coarse bay]

But not many guilds in the world are at the difficulty that they simply cant do it

Ya all tanks can do it, vdh just isnt usually strong in raid

[red ferry]

the vibes man

[coarse bay]

If u like it then thats all that matters

[red ferry]

the vibes

idk id have to play everything more

and then transfer off lemix

[coarse bay]

I was gonna say

Before making decision on vdh id play in real keys

I have a feeling you arent playing it properly, theres a reason there is so many vdh memes

[red ferry]

yeah my highest damage is from demonsurge

xdd

[coarse bay]

Like a difficulty of it is gathering multiple packs, because you want to be saving your sigil of flame for once the pack is gathered for defensive purposes and threat

[red ferry]

i was gonna say

my sigils are all [@self]

[coarse bay]

It’s invincible with like 2 buttons once u gather, but getting pulls started is where people struggle

[red ferry]

xdd

[coarse bay]

Ik that blizz frames dont track frailty

[red ferry]

they do

[coarse bay]

Surprising lmao

[red ferry]

they track all this stuff

[coarse bay]

Ya u gotta keep up frailty and demon spikes baseline

[red ferry]

yeah

[coarse bay]

In dead windows u need to have meta or something

[red ferry]

demon spikes is shield block

but like

more intensive

because shield slam doesnt extend it

[coarse bay]

And dont forget that vdh is like every other tank and needs to face enemies

It works off parry

[red ferry]

and half its moves prevent parrying i think

fel devastation

cough

[coarse bay]

U cancel fel dev

U hit it for meta and snap threat

And cancel channel

[red ferry]

Is there a macro that cancels it

[coarse bay]

Nah just hit another button

[red ferry]

the hidden appearance is so swag

[coarse bay]

It’s a pretty easy spec at a baseline but it has like a piano feel with all the buttons u gotta use and plan out

[red ferry]

ive been told that most tank players these days are actually dps mains

and that apparently i am rare

tank one trick

[coarse bay]

Idk about most, the tanks i know are tanks

[red ferry]

same

but i mean someone said it

[coarse bay]

I think i know 2 tanks that are dps mains this season

One of them is trying to title all 3 pally specs, each on a diff pally

[red ferry]

blood elf retribution paladin with ashbringer

[coarse bay]

The other just kept having problems with tanks in the team so they rolled it

[proper roost]

based as hell also extremely mental illness

[coarse bay]

Idk tanking is a different skill set, but any good players can learn it

[red ferry]

will death knights be given movement options other than waddle

in midnight

[coarse bay]

No

[proper roost]

he played it to like level 12 btw

[red ferry]

damn

[proper roost]

didnt even get deaths advance

[coarse bay]

They already have the cheesiest movement

[red ferry]

i used deaths advance

its BAD game design

[coarse bay]

Deaths advance is op

How so

[red ferry]

"you can ignore every cc ever but you have to walk everywhere in indoor solo content"

[coarse bay]

It negates so many mechanics

[red ferry]

yes

thats why its

(bad game design)

[coarse bay]

Bdks arent even that slow anymore

[red ferry]

grrr

[coarse bay]

2 charges of da and wraith walk

[proper roost]

i kind of think of death's advance like in videogames where u have a sprint but the sprint is only liike a mild jogging speed

[red ferry]

2 charges?

erm

[proper roost]

its kinda based

[coarse bay]

Wait is it not

Idk

[red ferry]

wraith walk tooltip is funny to me

because like

imagine chilling in the shadowlands

[proper roost]

Talent, it is

wraithwalk is flex tho i thought

[red ferry]

and the lower half of a death knight appears in front of you

[coarse bay]

Wraithwalk is flex ya

[proper roost]

u didnt take wraithwalk in DF, didnt have the points

wowee

[coarse bay]

U can take it this expac

I dont think i have it on the build i did last night

[proper roost]

i am a wraithwalk enjoyer

[red ferry]

Kanga you dont even TANK

[proper roost]

It's kind of like druid dash except bad

[red ferry]

anymore

[coarse bay]

Oh ya speaking of slow

What about druid

[red ferry]

travel form

[coarse bay]

Like u gotta cat shift with dash sometimes

[red ferry]

catweaving..

[coarse bay]

But u finna forget to shift back

[red ferry]

elune's chosen

sorry pal

[proper roost]

he did ask if he had to keybind forms and I was like

...

[coarse bay]

What does elunes chosen have to do with form swapping

Lmao

[red ferry]

uh

elunes chosen doesnt catweave

i think

[coarse bay]

No im talking movement

[red ferry]

druid of the claw does

oh

[coarse bay]

U were calling bdk slow

[proper roost]

Cat dash forces you to go into cat form

[red ferry]

uhh

[proper roost]

and doesn't work outside of catform

[coarse bay]

U have stampeding roar and thats like 1.5 or 3 min idk

[proper roost]

and you die very fast if you're not in bear form

[proper roost]

also flex talent

[coarse bay]

Ya if u troll with being in wrong form its over

[proper roost]

You have feral charge tho!

it's on a 30s cd.

[coarse bay]

Temu charge

[proper roost]

And for some reason it's a lot buggier feeling than warrior charge

even though its practically the same ability

[coarse bay]

I honestly thing all tanks feel kinda balanced with movement

[proper roost]

idk

[coarse bay]

Vdh has the best movement between packs

[proper roost]

ppal is kinda annoying

[coarse bay]

When gathering

[proper roost]

annoyingly dumb*

[coarse bay]

2 charges with long duration talent and freedom

[proper roost]

horse kinda good idk

horse and high passive movespeed

[coarse bay]

Pally used to be the slowest i think

[proper roost]

i mean sure, it's no vdh, but vdh also doesn't have AS

[coarse bay]

45 second horse and thats all it was

[proper roost]

and glaive toss is nothing close to AS

[coarse bay]

Ya AS is ez mode for pulling

Ppal is a tank where u should never have threat problems

Easiest gather tank

[proper roost]

yeah, pally used to have really bad movement in mop -> got better in legion, but tbf

back then bdk didn't have SHIT

got wraithwalk in legion

[coarse bay]

Ya wraithwalk lmao

[proper roost]

DA literally didnt even movespeed increase

pretty sure it existed

just

for the cc

as a pvp talent maybe?

anyway, should i play ace combat or try to solo queue keys

🤔

[coarse bay]

Is ace combat a flying game

[proper roost]

yeah dud

big fighter plane energy

war crimes etc

[coarse bay]

Damn

Sounds better than pugging

[proper roost]

that's what i'm sayin

[coarse bay]

@red ferry you’ll benefit from playing all the tanks, and might end up wanting to main something entirely different. It’ll benefit you on your future grinds to get your main a little further before you do retail stuff on alts though

[red ferry]

how further

[coarse bay]

There’s achievements earned through getting 704+ on every slot and 720 that will provide big discounts for crests

So time saver

And io on a main will make keying smoother

[proper roost]

he did ask me how to remap BDK to fit pwar and i was like idk if that's possible in anyw ay lol

[coarse bay]

And rep would help with an early boost on an alt but idk if youre getting rep passively with whatever youre doing

Nah bdk is a hard one to do

[proper roost]

my pwar and bear and ppal binds are the same

and vdh

but brm and bdk are completely different

[coarse bay]

Like there’s fundamentals that are the same, like boneshield needs to always be up like shield block

[red ferry]

soon

[coarse bay]

But the way you do everything is so different

[proper roost]

yea lol i was like idk how to

even begin

[coarse bay]

And every button is a global, so if u misplay it’s punishing

[proper roost]

without being overwhelming

its like

is there even any point to teaching/learning bonestorm tombstone playstyle right now too

its not gonna be a thing in midnight so..

[coarse bay]

Technically it isnt hard

[red ferry]

is beta bdk looking to shape up to conform with the bear/pwar/vdh/ppal buttons

[coarse bay]

Itll have less buttons

But it still kinda works different

[red ferry]

gh

[coarse bay]

You wont have a big problem tho i think

Its not a big deal

[proper roost]

i think people who play bdk out of all the tanks tend to onetrick it tbh

[coarse bay]

Usually ya

[proper roost]

but like ppal/pwar/bear all see pretty strong player overlap

[coarse bay]

It’s a pretty methodical tank to play well

So khailby, bdk sends cds on cd similar to avatar

Currently you have like 3 buttons that provide cdr for your main cd

That u have to hit after the main cd fades

And they cost boneshield stacks, which u always need to remain above 5

Oh and everything you do, you have to be balancing runes and runic power at same time

[red ferry]

hate runes

if i press 5 buttons

i cant play the game for like

2 seconds

[coarse bay]

U dont spend the runes in every global is the thing

Like u need to spend a global to put death and decay down to stand in

Oh thats a rune too i think

[red ferry]

the red circle?

[coarse bay]

Youre applying blood boil

Ya

Bdk isnt as straightforward as pwar/ppal/bear, but it also isnt as bad as it probably sounds

[red ferry]

i dont like when my buttons do different things

[coarse bay]

It’s also a notoriously easy raid tank, and strong

[red ferry]

because if i play one thing it actively works against my playing of the other thing

mentally

[proper roost]

i miss pre-Legion bdk. them changing all runes to death runes was baby mode easy

😔

bring back my BFU

[coarse bay]

😂

[coarse bay]

Even with a lot of playtime on them, it still takes me a little to adjust when i swap tanks/characters

Like i said, tanks are all pretty similar and simple, the skills that you transfer and use to perform well arent class specific

Its routing, control, and knowledge

[red ferry]

i see

[coarse bay]

The main thing that takes adjustment between tanks is the method of gathering

They all gather quite a bit differently

[proper roost]

things that would frighten and confuse khailby:

tanks are all easy to swap between because all of their primary rotations are really easy (brm used to be "hard" but now its easy)

[coarse bay]

Bear is hands down the most forgiving tank in all wayd

[proper roost]

you should see what dps rotational priority looks like

i guess they're dumbing it down in midnight, but a lot of casters press like 15 sequenced buttons rn on pull

[coarse bay]

The majority of my time in wow is in m+, and i main tank and have played them all

[proper roost]

i still don't really know how to read this (this is not even the opener for this spec)

[coarse bay]

But when i log into raid on my mage after tanking all week

[proper roost]

but i'm pretty sure its because wowhead is written like dogshit

[coarse bay]

Im hard trolling first few pulls

[proper roost]

cam which hero track delve trinket do i get

rsham discord is useless

[coarse bay]

I got the on-use vers one on my alts but idk about healers

Big vers seemed useful

I think u want some crit right

[proper roost]

ya but the healing trinket is ONLY healing

and the dps trinket looks bad

(rsham mastery is cheeks)

[coarse bay]

Ya but the int seems way more useful

Just pretend its a shitty stat stick lol

@red ferry when we’re saying that tanks are rotationally simple, we are saying that from the perspective of playing a lot, and on a lot of different classes btw

[red ferry]

fair enough

[proper roost]

the current iteration of every tank has been more or less the same since about legion

[coarse bay]

I dont wanna hear any of that “you said this is the easiest but im not doing good” poop

[proper roost]

so i have played them for like

almost 10 years

[red ferry]

heh

poop

[proper roost]

except brm

[coarse bay]

Exactly

[proper roost]

and vdh

[coarse bay]

I dont like current brm

[red ferry]

oh yeah

[coarse bay]

I liked bfa brm

[red ferry]

there hasnt been a new tank since vdh

[proper roost]

no i just didn't play them they don't really have the juice

for a relaly long time (still now I think) brm's only cool ability was keg smash and it was sort of annoying

VDH has this tendency to leap and instadie

[red ferry]

wonder when the new tank is

[proper roost]

cuz VDH is kinda like

bad BDK

that does way more dps

[red ferry]

looks cooler

[proper roost]

Nah grippy hands BDK rules

[undone beacon]

shaman tank shaman tank

[proper roost]

Looks cool as fuck

[red ferry]

i was just about to say

elements based shaman tank

[proper roost]

Love grippy hands BDK

[red ferry]

when

WE (yes WE) would all play shaman tank

[coarse bay]

I was digging through my discord looking for the pic of why i chose monk lol

[red ferry]

oooh.

triple rogue bfa meta szn 1

glad i missed that

[coarse bay]

Outlaw was fun

Then they murdered it with target cap

[red ferry]

no more boning

😔

[coarse bay]

I miss back when u tracked everything with weakaura instead of omnicd

[red ferry]

i dont think i experienced omnicd

my ui looked like that too

having trade chat open is INSANE work though

[coarse bay]

Thats like base elvui, i was just lazy

[red ferry]

no i meant with all those auras

[proper roost]

INSTANT INVITES CUZ I'M 705 NOW

[red ferry]

holy

[proper roost]

AND I GIVE LUST

[red ferry]

smh

[proper roost]

bloodlust healer priv lets fucking goooo

[coarse bay]

These auras?

[red ferry]

cammy

my ui looked like that one ui from wotlk

[coarse bay]

Man this game can look some much worse than it already does

[proper roost]

I keep forgetting I have dungeon tps now too 💀

[toxic pewter]

That my ui

[proper roost]

still in the mindset where I need to do a 20 to get a portal

[red ferry]

no idea where to get half this stuff

but it would make a good mog

[coarse bay]

My current ui, a few months old

[red ferry]

and by half i mean

prized gladiator stuff crurency

[coarse bay]

U probably cant get it

If its a pvp glad thing

[red ferry]

no it says prized

[coarse bay]

A lot of the good mog is old pvp stuff u cant get

[red ferry]

a different prefix

is pvp limited

[proper roost]

wanna watch my key @red ferry

[red ferry]

dang ur right

its gone

was undermine szn

no sorry kanga its bedge o clock soon

[proper roost]

its arakara

[coarse bay]

Ya i need to sleep so that i can wake up early

Oh go watch it

[red ferry]

vod it for me

smile

[coarse bay]

Gn team

[red ferry]

gn gang

[proper roost]

midrun

tank got web wrap stunned from standing in it too long + boss ate 4 and wiped us @red ferry

[red ferry]

i would never

[proper roost]

ya

thats my point

watch it

[red ferry]

im in my bed

[proper roost]

you would understand

[red ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sleep-bed-attitude-gif-21924508

[proper roost]

if u saw

the tanks i'm playing with

and ud stop being so whiny

[red ferry]

Understand what

[proper roost]

ur not the best but ur not these people

[red ferry]

What not to do??

[proper roost]

theyre not even human

theyre like bot tanks

halfway thru key

bear has

2 kicks

whole key so far

2nd boss

[red ferry]

Did he not kick resonance

[proper roost]

these players are not good dude

bet he's played for 5 more years than u too

[red ferry]

Gulp

[proper roost]

now he stood in

5 things

and died insta

like

why are u beating urself up

these are the average +10 tanks

@undone beacon help

this was in an entire key btw bro did NOT press fr

HOLY FUCK

HE HAS 3 FR CASTS

THE ENTIRE KEY

[undone beacon]

To be fair, you'd be surprised how little you press FR as EC

You heal so much passively

[proper roost]

dude

i had to spamheal him the entire key

u dont understand

[undone beacon]

What was their ironfur uptime?

[undone beacon]

oof yeah thats rough

[proper roost]

bro

oh my god

u dont want to see the ironfur

holy...............................

[undone beacon]

i do i do

I love making fun of bad bears

oh oh and give me their damage breakdown

[proper roost]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-dead-cat-depressed-cat-laying-gif-11402833644907079653

What the actual fuck demon ass idiot motherfucker was i healing

waIT

[undone beacon]

damage breakdown i need it

[proper roost]

WAIT HE DIDNT KICK THE ENTIRE KEY

I LIED I THOUGHT HE KICKED A FEW TIMES

HE DID NOT KICK THE ENTIRE KEY

I WANT TO DIE

[undone beacon]

Yep there it is

[proper roost]

Fucking kill this guy

Get him

I lied dude

Robots would play better than this

[undone beacon]

Basically never mangling, spamming swipe

Hate to see it

[proper roost]

i fucking hate it here bro 💀

[undone beacon]

Step 1 to being a better bear, take swipe off your bar

[proper roost]

khailby is like "oo i suck" LITERALLY

THESE ANIMALS

EXIST

did not get to dps the entire key because i had to healing surge spam the tank :)

the bear tank :)

tankiest tank ever bear :)

[undone beacon]

Thats so sad a bear tank should need like so little healing, esp as EC

[proper roost]

i hate these people

i hate it here

ok, new bear for floodgate 12, this guy is 1700

Lettuce see. what's the overunder you think on this guy @undone beacon

doxxing

[undone beacon]

I want to believe but

Show me his talents

[proper roost]

i dont think talents matter tbh

but

[undone beacon]

No flashing claws this guy is trolling

I mean thats fine all in all

If I see a DotC bear in keys tho its instant respect

You're gonna have a good time

[proper roost]

he's bad

i can already tell

had to heal him on first pull

[undone beacon]

The real way to instantly tell is how much they're using swipe

If the answer is at all, they're trolling

[red ferry]

What if theyre bad

cat weave = buttons

buttons = points of failure

[red ferry]

Is swipe the bear whirlwind

[undone beacon]

I mean, the respect can be lost for sure but usually a bear running DotC means they have a few braincells in my experience

[upbeat plover]

1700 player for a 12...

[undone beacon]

Not exactly because it has uses as a filler unlike whirlwind, but in EC talents its better most of the time to use Moonfire as filler at any target count since Lunation causes it to reduce the CD on Lunar Beam, which is going to be far more impactful than swiping

Theres an arguement made for swipe at like 8+ targets but, meh

[proper roost]

we made it happen team

can u please explain were my dps dogshit or what happened here cuz bossfights took fucking FOR E V ER

[jade hazel]

bear fuckin pumpin

[proper roost]

idk what good dps numbers are for keys yet

i should be doing like 1.5m as resto though i think

so i can only assume the dps is bad

[jade hazel]

details dont mean shit idk timed key is a timed key

[proper roost]

i'm not trying to only win

winning is for losers

@undone beacon what's good key dps numbers

[undone beacon]

DPS def low

Bear looks fine ballpark dps

[proper roost]

idc about the bear

he was ok not the best

[undone beacon]

Warr and DK did... not great

[proper roost]

i rate a solid 7/10

had to heal him too much

[undone beacon]

Obviously servicable enough to time the 12 but both of those specs are crushing in keys

I pull more than that BM on my surv hunter

[proper roost]

that's what i thought

[undone beacon]

All in all, very middling performances

[proper roost]

bosses took fucking 5ever

i was gassed out at the end

completely oom last 2 bosses

[proper roost]

oh yeah this looks good

[cedar rune]

is there a haste breakpoint for 100% shield block uptime?

[jagged pier]

Technically but you arent ever hitting it, u can run ITF once u hit 21-22k haste rating, but u will have gaps and have to play corrcetly to not have lots of them.
HR will just give u uptime with 0 thought. If thats what you care about

[cedar rune]

what is ITF? and what is HR?

I'm a bit over 21k haste, but my vers is scary low.. like less than 10k, so I'm wondering if I trade some haste for vers

21.5k haste, 21k crit, 7k vers

I'm trying to swap some of that crit out for vers for sure, but I don't have as much flexibility with the pieces I have right now, logic gate alpha is kinda screwing me with a ton of crit and no vers/haste

oh into the fray, yeah it looks like I'm already playing that

I'm just trying to climb a bit in keys for a end of season io grab, but only doing like 14s-15s right now.. and I haven't had much of an issue with survivability, so maybe I'll try and keep that haste and work on starting to transition some of that crit into vers.. but maybe i don't have to stress too much about it

[proper roost]

into the fray/heavy repercussions, it's in the very middle left of the prot tree right below Rend

Vers doesn't matter

[jagged pier]

☝️

Survivability comes from play not stats

[proper roost]

As long as you're playing correctly (i.e. keep up shield block, not overcap rage, don't spam revenge as MT) you'll be fine survivability wise

[cedar rune]

alright, good to know! was just murlok lurking and noticed everyone was running a lot more vers

[proper roost]

what's your ilvl

[cedar rune]

727

[proper roost]

probably just a bit of unoptimized 730s

[cedar rune]

yeah, the logic gate alpha is kinda meh, I think that's throwing some things off

[jagged pier]

Stop using agregate sites

Also u arent doing 22s

[cedar rune]

honestly even just swapping that to something with haste/vers I think would balance things out a lot

yeah, I'm aware dude haha, just asking for some opinions

[jagged pier]

What the top 50 are doing is not relevant to what you are doing

[proper roost]

no one aims for specific stats overall, just ilvl

stats dont matter really

as long as your ilvl is fine

like if you simmed and checked the actual simc APL page, the difference of shield slams/minute from gaining or losing 1k haste is way less than you'd expect

considering in real play, you're losing shield slams all the time due to downtime or improperly spellqueued abilities

[cedar rune]

yeah, fair!

cool cool cool

[proper roost]

ya unfortunately (or fortunately?) the #1 way to get better/more consistent is just to play way way more

[cedar rune]

I'm moreso just curious, ilvl is all good, so getting to the point where I'm just trying to squeeze out some optimizations for fun

[proper roost]

people at title range legit just play/queue a LOT

of keys

[cedar rune]

oh like, yeah, I'm not having issues, mostly just playing with numbers because it's fun to do that

[proper roost]

if u want to super study out of game stuff it's probably better to do things like watch other ppls keys (though you need to be cognizant you cannot do high end key pulls with pugs)

[cedar rune]

yeah, I'm not sure if we're aligned with what I'm asking, I'm not like seeing issues, I'm just asking about optimal stats

[proper roost]

yeah stats just don't matter that much, it's a bit counterintuitive 😔

cuz m+ is just way way too variable

[cedar rune]

cool cool cool

[tribal wharf]

my fridge was legendary levels of frozenover

final ice piece that came out lookin like looney tunes ass shit

[coarse bay]

Ya but u might as well throw one out as incarn is ending at least… surely

[undone beacon]

Nah I’d rather use those last GCDs for more mangle/thrash

[proper roost]

i need 13s this week

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[strong forum]

Y'all need to let the Christmas spirit into yalls houses

[coarse bay]

12-14s are pretty much the same

In feel

[proper roost]

i need 14s this week

[undone beacon]

Chanukah is over the holidays are dead to me

[proper roost]

no

[undone beacon]

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1151/images/thumbnails/89975/89975-1734093784-1254570859.jpeg

I got my menorah jet pack tho im vibin

[proper roost]

keyge

[red ferry]

shalom

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

Kanga read my bio

[undone beacon]

did you just add that

If so, top tier

[red ferry]

no

LOL

that wouldve been really funny though

The funniest moment that ever came out of that is one time i was doing a key in fellowship and an eu guy spent like 4 minutes setting up and executing a very long hitler joke

Then he asks me for the route and i tell him to check dms

And when he opens up my profile to open our dms he goes “oh”

And then he apologizes for the next minute

[red ferry]

ITS CHRISTMAS

[undone beacon]

It’s just so matter of fact idk it amuses me

[red ferry]

Yeah idk

I dont have neopronouns so like

idk what things people put in a bio

[proper roost]

no it's not i do not care for this holiday

[undone beacon]

Jew/ish

[red ferry]

I like the music because its all old

[red ferry]

xdd

[coarse bay]

Nothing

[undone beacon]

Mine is a quote from No Man's Sky

That really spoke to me

[proper roost]

my feelings on this have changed over time

nowadays I kind of think of it like how guys will rent their first apartment and it'll be entirely blank white walls

[red ferry]

Kanga what happened here btw

Theres like

20 mins

Of erased messages

[upbeat plover]

Nothing

🙂

[red ferry]

I saw it last night and didnt want to ask

[proper roost]

like this

[proper roost]

just like 3 spambots

[red ferry]

xd

[proper roost]

so yeah

my feelings on the bio thing have changed over time to thinking it's kinda like the above

nothing wrong with that if thats how u want to live i think

but also (for the oldheads) dont u remember like. hella sick myspace pages

[red ferry]

oh my god yoy’re old

[proper roost]

That shit ruled

[red ferry]

“Remember when we all chatted in aol”

“Remember when emojis were text”

[undone beacon]

I just slap in quotes I like, set my status to some shitposty, life is good

[proper roost]

you didn't chat on AOL

you chatted on AIM

[red ferry]

oh

[proper roost]

aol instant messenger

[red ferry]

see i wouldnt know

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

Because im

YOUTHFUL

[proper roost]

it ruled

[red ferry]

I remember i knew a person who

Had all the aol emojis saved to a private discord

And used them with nitro

[proper roost]

ya cuz ur 12

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-nitro-gif-22312286

[red ferry]

These

[coarse bay]

I do it for my own server

Or wait thats boosting

[undone beacon]

tangentially related, my dms are now open to anyone wanting a discord kitten to give nitro to uwu nyah owo etc etc

[proper roost]

Yo those are some gas emotes wtf

[red ferry]

Yeeah

They got a lot of mileage

[proper roost]

emojis were not really a thing back then

[undone beacon]

this is a powerful emote pack yeah

[coarse bay]

Does skyhold block other discord server emotes

Thats toxic

[proper roost]

yea

its cringe af!!

[coarse bay]

No reacting or emotes

Wut even

[proper roost]

i want to use my cat emotes

[red ferry]

Someone told me its because one dude just had like

Porn on his emotes

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

and so he ruined it for everyone

[coarse bay]

I mean the other class discords still allow it

[undone beacon]

Dreamgrove doesnt

[coarse bay]

I like just dropping clown emotes or something on people

[undone beacon]

At least not reactions

[proper roost]

i find it kinda funny how internet culture shifted on emojis

i think i'm biased on this cuz i definitely use emotes way more than most ppl, but people used to HATE u if u used even a single emoji ever

think this is a snapchat/insta becoming big thing

[upbeat plover]

A baby*

[proper roost]

people did NOT use emojis during AIM/skype era

they just used oldschool text emoticons. it ruled

u just typed like :)

[undone beacon]

reddit: assemble!

[proper roost]

smile emoji? straight to fuckin jail bro

[mighty valley]

i didn’t think a hitler joke guy would be the sort to say “oh my bad I’m sorry, never meant to offend”

[coarse bay]

Skype era was memes

[proper roost]

Ok non-Kanye listener

[mighty valley]

i don’t think Kanye was doing jokes

[proper roost]

he apologized, making it totally ok

[red ferry]

Idk he seemed like a chill guy

He just has the eu racial passive

[proper roost]

My words are dripping with sarcasm rn

[red ferry]

(Thats a two way joke btw)

[mighty valley]

phew, now i can listen to all of his recent good albums

[proper roost]

no wait

[red ferry]

wait

no

[proper roost]

This is what explained a lot about cammy to me

if he hangs out with all oce people he has thick af skin

[red ferry]

LOL

[proper roost]

oce is the most toxic region in all games by a lot its not even close

[coarse bay]

100% true

[undone beacon]

EU more like P.U. amirite?!?!

[coarse bay]

U didnt hear it from me, but apparently the top oce guilds are incredibly racist and toxic

[red ferry]

I dont know anything about oce politics other than that one video of a politician in australia or something going “MAN i HATE these indigenous people” and then a reporter goes “but sir we have your birth certificate that says you’re actually an indigenous people yourself” and then he crashes out

[proper roost]

eastern EU is like pretty bad but if ranked competitive toxicity was a thing, OCE would be gm, EU West would be like plat, EU east would be diamond

[red ferry]

This is literally ALL i know

[mighty valley]

if an Australian doesn’t say five slurs in conversation with you, it means they don’t consider you a friend

[red ferry]

About oce politics

[proper roost]

which is weird cuz all the actual oce people i've met online r chill af

[red ferry]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Flw6QVix6S8

Found it

[proper roost]

There was an oce prime minister who eats raw onions like u would eat an apple

Just bites fully into it

[coarse bay]

LOL

[red ferry]

Sorry what

[proper roost]

That's p much all i need to know tbh

[red ferry]

[undone beacon]

MY french teacher in high school did that with raw yukon potatoes

[red ferry]

Okay

Wow

That is a horrifying mental image

[undone beacon]

Would just pull them out of his little satchel and get munchin

[proper roost]

that's so cool

[jade hazel]

the butcher who taught me used to just... chew on raw meat

boomers built different

[undone beacon]

i feel like you dont go into butchery unless you're a bit quirky

Nozz are you a bit quirky

[jade hazel]

i'd like to hope so

kinda just happened

gonna have to find another profession due to carpal tunnel though

[proper roost]

Stop putting fish in a tunnel and maybe you could keep working there

This joke might make slightly more sense said out loud

We'll workshop it

[undone beacon]

no that was good

[jade hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fishsticks-south-park-i-like-fish-sticks-kanye-west-kanye-gif-4052222

[proper roost]

Every other one of my friends I sent that meme too told me i was very funny and laughed just fyi

this is a you skill issue. imagine claiming to be joyous and whimsical and u dont even laugh at silly jokes. Smh

is ur guild still raiding this season @undone beacon

[undone beacon]

We are

Trying to make a last push at Dimmy

[proper roost]

aw dang that's way too progressed for me

i was debating looking for some mythic guilds, if i want to play next season, would be good to have some ele logs

but idk if bad ele logs (cuz 0 gear) would be better than 0 logs

[undone beacon]

I mean, ilvl parse is more important

gray overall but purple ilvl still is good

[proper roost]

i'm skeptical that half of the people will look deeply into that

[undone beacon]

Its pretty easy to pug the first 2/3

[proper roost]

most people suck at looking at logs

[undone beacon]

If you're joining a myth prog guild and they dont know the way parsing works then you prob shouldnt join that guild tbh

[proper roost]

this is true, but i'm not super interested in CE and i'm only looking at 1/2 day guilds atm

which are like kinda casual

aka bad

[jade hazel]

There’s a lot of 1 day a week guilds that are good as fuck lol

Just hard to get into them, usually tight knit guilds

[coarse bay]

Theres good 1/2 day guilds but a lot of the members in those are alts

Ik a lot of people in 2-3 ce guilds lol

[undone beacon]

I'd sooner take someone with bad logs than someone with no logs because at least they've seen the fights

And have some indication they aren't walking corpses

[proper roost]

ya i dont mean 1-2 day CE guilds

i don't have logs or exp to get in those the last time i raided mythic was in aberrus :wowee:

[coarse bay]

12 hr?

[jade hazel]

Yeah once you get in the door you can do whatever. It’s a huge barrier of entry for a lot of people just to get into mythic raiding to begin with.

[coarse bay]

2 day raiding guild is kinda standard, i consider that the casual level

1 day and myth is usually either really good or really bad

[proper roost]

Idk i think the rly average mythic guilds are 3 day

still

[coarse bay]

Nah

[proper roost]

and its agonizing to exist in those

[jade hazel]

3 days

I wish

But I have a family I enjoy

[coarse bay]

Idk the stats, maybe average ce guild is 3 days

But i think 2 day is far more common

Esp for just mythic

Like 4 day is def level of hardcore

[proper roost]

i mean

I would count a guild that does 3 days but 1 is heroic as a 3 day guild

those guys always lie

[coarse bay]

Oh

[proper roost]

it's 2 days + "optional" heroic until its mandatory mythic 3rd day

never believe their lies 😠

[coarse bay]

Ya i mean i dont wanna touch hero after a couple weeks

Unless its sales

[proper roost]

and then its suffering because 3 days/wk of mythic nah fuck that

if i was unemployed maybe!!

[coarse bay]

I was talking prog days fuck that other shit

[proper roost]

3 days of prog is cringe

soulcrushing

[coarse bay]

My soul is strong

Id raid 7 days

If i could

[proper roost]

literally doesnt give u time to do keyge

and i would rather key than raid 99 times out of 100

[coarse bay]

U finish season and cut back raid days

[proper roost]

I mean, if you're in a good CE guild

[coarse bay]

Only like 1-2 months of prog and over

[proper roost]

the vast majority of them are like Pash's

It's like 7 months in now

[coarse bay]

Ya im not in one either but thatd be my preference

[proper roost]

vast vast vast vast majority of CE guilds are there

You have to be pretty good to get into a 1-2 month clear

or, more importantly, way more xp and consistency

and a lot of rng

[strong forum]

1 month clear guilds are like top 50 guilds

[proper roost]

yeah like idk that's a very very high expectation

[strong forum]

5 months is like 1-1.5k

[undone beacon]

Would much rather go hard for a few months and then chill vs having 1 month left starting prog on the last boss

[jagged gust]

I'd say being stuck on araz is closer to the reality for most

[coarse bay]

Ya if rather go hard at start and chill but only top guilds do ot

[undone beacon]

We were stuck on loom for longer than we shoulda been, then on araz, then on nexus for a LONG time

[strong forum]

Plenty of shitter guilds do 5/6day raiding early

[proper roost]

yea...

idk what to say lol

[coarse bay]

Id rather retire lol

[strong forum]

Who compensate skill with hours

[proper roost]

this is very standard to not have key time

which is stupid

because like i said

i only wanna key

game just makes u raid if ur serious!! 😠

[coarse bay]

Keys at start dont matter unless youre going for title

[proper roost]

they matter for my fun %

[undone beacon]

I mean the biggest part of mythic progression is weeding out the shitters imo lmao

[proper roost]

:)

[undone beacon]

We were stuck on loomi cuz we were backpacking like four people

[strong forum]

10 man raiding woulda been so much better for wow

[proper roost]

i have no interest in doing mythic raid for ego

i already know i'm cracked (but also i'm washed so it doesn't matter)

[strong forum]

20 man means you have to fill slots with subpar players

[jagged gust]

Mhm

[strong forum]

10 man let's you play with 1 clique and harder mechanical and dps requirements

[jade hazel]

I agree with this.

[undone beacon]

Yeah herding 20 players is a nightmare, you're always going to have to backfill with people who shouldn't be in mythic for one reason or another, which pisses off the better players in your group and causes tension, which breaks guilds

[jade hazel]

Most guilds have like 10-15 core people anyway.

[strong forum]

And then 5 mutes

5 people who exclusively raidlog

[jade hazel]

Yup

[jagged gust]

That's the issue, those extra 5 players to the 10 stack

[undone beacon]

And keeping a bench past 20 people is a nightmare as well

[proper roost]

anyway, thoughts on this gamers

idk if anyone will accept me mid prog outside of a really desperate like 4/8 guild

and i do not want to hop into a perma extension 7/8M guild that retires immediately after CE

[coarse bay]

I can refer u to a couple i found pugging on alts

[undone beacon]

You'll have better luck in a "recruiting for midnight" type situation idk

[proper roost]

i might get like 3200 first i think

[strong forum]

It's easier to find a 7/8 guild who needs people to stick around than joining a shitty guild that is stuck on bosses that people pug on the regular

[proper roost]

it would be easier if my io was not average

[jade hazel]

Do you have any heroic logs?

[coarse bay]

A lot of raiders have shit io, but actually good io is attractive

[proper roost]

yeah but i GIGA do not care to do this. the only thing i care about mythic raid rn is loot and vibing, perma extend last boss is not that 🤐

[jagged gust]

Couple 99 parses makes up for a lot in the interview

[proper roost]

no i literally resubbed last thursday lol

[jade hazel]

Oh

Then no

[proper roost]

and i have no logs from any characters since s2 df

[strong forum]

Try finding their alt runs

Who do 6/8 in 1hr then call it a day

[proper roost]

however confidence can take u a long way

😎

and also being cracked at the game

[strong forum]

If you just care about loot it's the alt runs you want into

Not main runs

There's plenty in LFG usually, however you need some kind of vouch or logs

[jade hazel]

I might. be able to get to you into a mythic Pug 1/4 maybe. But like not even heroic? Just gonna die lmao

[proper roost]

like i also had not raided in S2 DF since Legion s1, and i had like 15 guild invites to CE guilds

just went hard on keys, got invites from being good

[jade hazel]

Like straight up you’re just gonna die over and over solely from mechanics. Do normal at least first lmao

[proper roost]

nah

ur talking like i've never raided mythic before and am not multi CE

bro does not know

washed CE player >>>>> some young blood

[jade hazel]

You don’t have much, if any room for error. Then you just die, and if you die like back to back to back what’s even the point of having you lol

If you knew the mechanics at least from past difficulties it’d be different

[proper roost]

watch a video ezpz? making mythic raid 6 months into the season out to be 1 mistake=wipe is so funny

Like lol some people can just learn quickly

and u can make so so so many mistakes in mythic fights even a month in

[jade hazel]

You wouldn’t be wiping

The raid

You’d just be on the floor

Getting carried

[proper roost]

Yea, making it out to be death from 1 mistake is so funny

are you multi CE

[coarse bay]

I can send u an invite to a disc that i think does 6/8 on sundays but i only tanks for them once or twice and dont know any reqs

[proper roost]

🤔

this is a really funny take on mythic raiding

[jagged gust]

6/8 is really comfy this tier

[proper roost]

maybe next week or so, i'll be 3.2 at least by then

i kinda just want frac so i can dinar boots lol

[undone beacon]

You need hunters for boots 5head

[proper roost]

oh i meant kris

sorry

[jade hazel]

Can sign up in Group Finders Guild discord for mythic pug too

[proper roost]

4got

[coarse bay]

All ill say is that with how easy gearing has been for so long

I wouldnt take anybody sub like 725

Alt or not

[proper roost]

ya

ik

[undone beacon]

wow toxic and elitist mods kill him

[proper roost]

but 725 won't be long, it'll be a couple weeks

[coarse bay]

Just because there’s so many options to choose from

[proper roost]

Just need to grind crests, ezpz

[coarse bay]

Ya gearing is fast

2/8 is also the most free thing

[proper roost]

can craft all my slots except trinket (which i have both hero track now)

[coarse bay]

It’s past 2/8 that needs people with fingers

[proper roost]

But also, I'm not questioning the difficulty of getting into a guild

I think I could get into a 6/8M guild even right now with enough rizz

i did it in S1 DF i was legit like 30 ilvl below everyone

Just whether it worth or not rn since probably not gonna stick around

[jagged gust]

It's a fun raid to do a few times in all honesty but it gets tiresome quicker than usual

[proper roost]

just have to be careful not to join a guild that isn't perma extending

[coarse bay]

I think at this point unless on dimmy extending is just wrong

[proper roost]

u are not a knower

of the really bad guilds

on 1 hand, yes

[coarse bay]

My very first mythic guild was perma 3 bosses

[proper roost]

on the other hand, there are a TON of guilds that get postpostpostnerf CE

possibly even the majority of CEs?

[coarse bay]

And the gm had a friend from another realm make an alt, and he wasnt even that good but got funneled gear over me lmao

[coarse bay]

Probably

[jagged gust]

If you look at the Rio of most realms outside the big ones prog usually stops around the 4th boss

[proper roost]

ok nice that's useful info

so i need to find a guild that's 5/8M

to rat properly

[coarse bay]

Ya i mean araz has at least a little comp requirements, esp for worse players

[jagged gust]

And you'd still be one of their best performers

[proper roost]

the average mythic raider sucks unadulterated stinky ass

ngl

[coarse bay]

Like without assignments, a random guild isnt just doing araz

[proper roost]

i would take average keyer 9 out of 10 times

[jagged gust]

Mrt notes, the great divider

[coarse bay]

Yup

But i also just think a lot of casual guilds where they all play whatever class they want just couldnt do it

[proper roost]

the worst key dps at high io i've seen is multiple orders of magnitude better than the worst mythic raider i've seen

even ignoring raid only tanks (EXTREMELY bad) and raid only healers (typically quite bad)

[jagged gust]

Raiding is the embodiment of "C's get degrees"

[coarse bay]

I mean top level keys at any point of the season is arguable harder than just getting ce

And ive seen the inverse too, really good m+ healers unable to raid

[proper roost]

i have crazy animosity towards mythic raid only players tbh

[jagged gust]

"C's get CE's"

[unreal yarrow]

Raid healing and key healing are very different

[coarse bay]

No real raider is raid only

Its just not possible

[proper roost]

ya m+ healing is wildly different, but also, wanting to heal raids is so gross

it's so braindead

[undone beacon]

idk my guild still hasnt landed a CE, they formed in Nerubar and this is the first tier they pushed past 5/8M

[proper roost]

100% seen it

U should see the tanks in my DF guild

[coarse bay]

U at least need vaults gear and crests

[proper roost]

Nope!

They just didn't get 3 slots every week.

[coarse bay]

Thats a huge jump 👍

[undone beacon]

I'm super proud of them, going from two 5/8 seasons to standing in front of the last boss is def pretty cool. Also very likely I stop raidleading after this season because fuck me its ruined my enjoyment of raiding lol

[jagged gust]

Mhm

Burnout city

[proper roost]

ya i resolved not to RL after like 2018

[coarse bay]

Ya i cant be nice enough

[proper roost]

giga unfun!

[undone beacon]

On the night of our Nexus kill I snapped at a dps because they kept trying to do callouts over me and then people were whispering the other officers like "yikes" and im just here like

[jagged gust]

The real real issue then is people who want to RL

[undone beacon]

We've pulled this boss over 400 times shut the fuck up

And let me raid lead

[proper roost]

anywho, now I'm kind of being powered by spite to find a 5/8-6/8M guild because of nozz

[undone beacon]

We also 3 healed our nexus kill which was stressing me out

[proper roost]

so this is very useful

plz pray for me that I manage to find an ele spot instead of having to heal (will neck if i have to play resto)

[unreal yarrow]

Neck? Someone translate this to gen x please

[jagged gust]

Resto is kinda hard to get a raid spot with tbh, you get overwhelmed with the amount of shaman who apply

[proper roost]

commit sewerslide

[coarse bay]

Why?

[proper roost]

key only players trying to rat gear (definitely not me)

[undone beacon]

Our fourth healer broke his foot with a very large cheese wheel and was unavailable, and we couldn't find a replacement healer so we filled with a dps

On the bright side, one of our resto shamans got a godly healing parse

[proper roost]

Your what

With what

??????????

[coarse bay]

Lol

[undone beacon]

He's a cheesemonger

[proper roost]

u can play wow with a broken foot

coward...

in fact what are u gonna do BUT play wow. your ass is not walking

[coarse bay]

Should i heal next season

[undone beacon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mZcdPY67LfQh8jHW?fight=22

[proper roost]

default blizz partyframes 🤪

[jagged gust]

"my cheesemonger healer broke their foot" is the best I'm done with this tier excuse I've ever heard

[coarse bay]

Surely wont matter in raid

[proper roost]

oh u mean in raid

Wtf no. Why would you want to raid heal

[undone beacon]

I love the guy to death but yeah, yeah

[coarse bay]

Next week we discuss and lock in our raid characters

[undone beacon]

He also died to the first set of beams or claws every pull :(

[proper roost]

playing anything but DPS in raid is torturous

imo

[coarse bay]

True

[proper roost]

chasing parses and fighting in details is actually fun as fuck they do not want u to know this

I don't like DPSing in keys as much

[coarse bay]

Actually so true

Im a parse enjoyer

[proper roost]

in keys ur just kinda reliant on what the fuck ever if the healer wants to keep you alive or not

also don't like healing in raid since you learn the fight 500 years before all the dumb ass dps learn to stop standing in shit

[coarse bay]

Thats every role

[proper roost]

well yea

[unreal yarrow]

Gonna be worse in midnight because your tank can't chain around dps cool downs

[proper roost]

but dps is more fun being repetitive

Can't explain it

[jagged gust]

"Stand here when x" they did not, in fact, stand there x100 pulls

[undone beacon]

Dps has more room to optimize pull over pull, healers/tanks less so

Cool I survived the buster a little better

Still didn’t die

Whoops 3 dps ate beans

[proper roost]

i think maybe its just easier to solve a fight as heals

typically

obviously especially if you're not top 100 you just follow some nerd's preplanned assigns and the game is played for u

[jagged gust]

You can optimize who you're saving an external for kek

[frigid plume]

just play tank and compete with dps on the meters anyway

[proper roost]

But also unless something has drastically changed since DF, raid healing buttons are way more fucking boring than m+

and i'm sure nothing has changed because rsham this season in raid is spam riptide + healing wave and that's literally it

[coarse bay]

Idk raiding as mage has always been super fun to me

[proper roost]

ya cuz u get to hyper optimize your pull every pull

it rules

[coarse bay]

When i say id raid every day, its just cuz i like it

[proper roost]

nothing anyone else does matters

Maybe I would have enjoyed raiding more if i didn't hate my entire s2 df guild

🤪

[cedar rune]

yeah I think the piece of raiding I don't like is the "we'll raid for 3 hours, then see you in 2 days".. I mainly do keys, but if I get in raid I'm like... guys, unlock your inner gaymer, let's fucking kill this stuff, and I wanna just keep going

[coarse bay]

Just because or raiding my mage is either most played or tied for most played

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-gif-25732604

[coarse bay]

But i dont care for m+ mage ever since legion

If i dps id rather mdps keys

[proper roost]

ya mdps slaps

it's so fucked up they keep making melee dps so fun

they need to make melee dps less fun so people will play rdps

[strong forum]

Casters are always special needs "uuh my cds uuuh pls need big pull, no pls my cds, no don't move please I can't kick my cds are running"

[coarse bay]

Like current fdk is just so fun

[coarse bay]

As an arcane mage last 2 seasons, it physically pains me to play shit routes

[strong forum]

[coarse bay]

True

I only dps keys with guildies and friends anyways so not usually a problem

So anyway

Dream meta comp midnight s1

Go

I havent felt new bdk but i actually want a bdk season

[grim pilot]

Dont think u played hylbrande in melee comp

If u played it wrong your whole group calls u slurs for no uptime

[coarse bay]

Oh speaking of that caster whining thing

Thank god for fire mage combust rework

No more never ending pulling

[proper roost]

actually i think i can be 725 ish ilvl this week

if I do

like

45 keys

lmao i just need a billion gilded crests to spam craft things

[coarse bay]

I heard a good group spamming 2s is like the fastest crests

But i just did 12s