Tbf, I think Khailby was removed because some of the raiders found him annoying or something
#protection
proper roost
i-
upbeat plover
His skill level was mostly fine
proper roost
yeahy this is kind of depressing now
red ferry
yeah but even though my life is pretty objectively one of the rougher ones you can ever have i'm still a very happy and jovial person so
see how hard i work to stay that way
lets all just continue being nice to khailby because he is an awesome guy
jagged gust
like, a couple
proper roost
lmao
upbeat plover
Just stop trying so hard m8. Don't take everything so seriously. Just chill and vibe
undone beacon
Tbf, I think Khailby was removed because some of the raiders found him annoying ...
To be fair he would've been like 15 at the time nathria prog was happening and i dont know many people who love raiding with teens
upbeat plover
To be fair he would've been like 15 at the time nathria prog was happening and i...
He was in fact 15 or something at the time, and we all knew it
Didn't stop that warlock from making inappropriate jokes
Lmao
upbeat plover
Well... I won't make that call
proper roost
all i can say is if he didn't claim to be CE or done 12s or a few other things, such accusations would not exist
upbeat plover
So simple solution Khailby
Shut up and get some 12s done
It ain't that hard, especially now
red ferry
im applying to 12s right now
proper roost
you will not be accepted just use your own key
red ferry
my key is a 10
proper roost
So do a 10
coarse bay
Do it
proper roost
You need a 2nd vault slot
upbeat plover
So run it up
red ferry
ok
we stream it
i can prove im not a bad player
or maybe i am but you shouldnt say that because its hurtful
proper roost
no one needed u to prove that
undone beacon
I cant be in two discord calls at once can i
coarse bay
I cant be in two discord calls at once can i
Download discord ptb
upbeat plover
Is there something you don't understand about pwar?
red ferry
Is there something you don't understand about pwar?
streaming adds aggro
upbeat plover
Huh
red ferry
thats what kanga calls it
proper roost
Is there something you don't understand about pwar?
confidence
upbeat plover
Press thunderclap
undone beacon
I'm on call with my woman so I'll trust William's judgement of your gameplay
upbeat plover
Revenge if colo
proper roost
idk how to explain this but he misses thunder clap
👍
i don't mean he doesn't press it i mean like he doesn't hit enemies with it
dusky canopy
👍
proper roost
Kind of a "you have to see it to believe it" sorta thing
dusky canopy
👍
upbeat plover
Get hit capped, idk
coarse bay
He also likes to use his back to tank
undone beacon
👍
coarse bay
@jagged gust can you tell him to stop standing in the middle of the pack
Tell him to hold s
proper roost
ignore pain on s is crazy work
coarse bay
Note to khailby for after key, go to interface settings and enable larger nameplates
Boss movement wasnt the problem there until the end
Like william said that’s a problem with the pugs, you can always try asking people to stack before key starts in future
Tanking the boss next to adds is the strat, but as the tank it’s your job to make the judgement calls. You gotta see where and how theyre playing and it’s up to you to keep the boss away from spiders
proper roost
oh no did he get ara-kara spider boss'd again
coarse bay
Im not saying thats how the fight goes
proper roost
I'm pretty sure its a 10 because we ran the 11 back and the key bricked cuz boss was right next to all the adds and ate all of them
coarse bay
Im saying the tank’s job in a pug is to deal with pugs
It just happens sometimes and you move on
If the group is like that I’d consider keeping boss far and making them full swap
And they need to be tighter for drops
unreal yarrow
Pug dps in a +10 on a Monday this far into the season are on average not good. Don't let it get to you
upbeat plover
@red ferry that boss, keep your group between the boss and the adds, and they won't get eaten, but uptime will be high
coarse bay
Im not saying that was your fault btw khailby
red ferry
each one lost at first boss
coarse bay
The way to make those pugs do it right is tell them what you want them to do before the key starts
Tell them to stack between eggs and boss
upbeat plover
Pugging past the first few weeks is miserable. Wouldn't want to know what it's like now
coarse bay
Thats all
unreal yarrow
Strong use of pings can help
coarse bay
If you can have everyone stack between adds and boss, and then ping a direction you want the group to move with web drops
My ping is pressing scrollwheel/middle mouse
red ferry
Im not saying that was your fault btw khailby
it kinda was
i choose who joins
i didnt tell them to focus void emissary
i didnt tell them that adds fixate
as tank im the raid leader for the key
and i didnt do my job
unreal yarrow
Quit the emo bs
coarse bay
I mean when i pug i dont say anything to people, if they dont do the dungeon right and i did what i could then it is what it is
coarse bay
Most ill do is link a route in a higher key
And you simply wont get experienced people applying to your keys u cant help that
undone beacon
I mean its not your job to baby pugs
red ferry
if i dont baby pugs i dont clear dungeons
and if i dont clear dungeons i get "khailbys only done 2 +10s"
coarse bay
Its an end of season and expansion problem
red ferry
if kanga can do like 12 keys in a row no bricks im sure its a me issue
so we'll fix it
simple as
unreal yarrow
12 keys get better players on average
coarse bay
Idk why youre trying to like fall on a sword on your 2nd week in low io pugs
Youre not experienced enough to handle
red ferry
because i want people to stop dunking on me for being lazy
coarse bay
And thats fine
red ferry
or being bad
hollow patio
and i didnt do my job
That's not your job. You invite them and if they are shit, you flame them, kick them and move on 🤷♂️
proper roost
?? I had like 4 or 5 keys failed in the last couple days without you
red ferry
this is how we do that
think of it like game prog
if you want more gear you do the bosses
proper roost
Where did I say it was 12 unbricked keys in a row
red ferry
if i want to not be flamed ill do more keys
unreal yarrow
It's you first week of tanking. Of course you are bad. Everyone here was.
proper roost
whingy
coarse bay
I think we need to actually fill a group and show him what doing a dungeon without clankers is like
proper roost
We have but he is equally whingy
big mental issue imo, need to have a better attitude
jagged gust
we'll kumbaya and itll be okay
undone beacon
He was doing pretty well the other day! Other than responding to pug toxicity but he was not the only one
hollow patio
The higher you go the more keys will be bricked. It's part of the game. You can't change that.
I remember I was doing some pull in dawnbreaker I believe.
1 DPS bodypulls the pack to the left and at the same time a different DPS bodypulls the pack to the right. We wipe and the key is over.
Just happens sometimes 🤷♂️
coarse bay
Like i said my only pug interaction is some form of hello or o7, maybe a route, and a ggs at the end
proper roost
if you don't type toxic ? after every pull then u aren't doing keys correctly
coarse bay
Oh no trust me im toxic when it comes time
red ferry
if you don't type toxic ? after every pull then u aren't doing keys correctly
is this a meme or real
coarse bay
Dropping a ? Is a classic
upbeat plover
Khailby. You really need to throughly understand, that as the tank. You are just playing BM hunter, and the group are your pets
coarse bay
Lmao
jagged gust
based
undone beacon
"???" "..." "tank?"
coarse bay
Not that it’s to be used as an excuse, but warrior has some of the least control out of the tanks
You still rely on your team
hollow patio
Kinda true. BM pets also always bug out and don't do the shit they are supposed to do
undone beacon
When i join a pug for a key thats higher than a 12 I give a o7 and I link my route and then i dont say anything the rest of the dungeon
When its 12 or less i dont say shit
coarse bay
No way am i linking a route in a 12 lol thats full npc still
hollow patio
Not that it’s to be used as an excuse, but warrior has some of the least control...
I don't think that's true.
We have 2 kicks and 3 stuns
coarse bay
I don't think that's true.
We have 2 kicks and 3 stuns
You have almost no way to actually fix mistakes or save your team
jagged gust
I don't think that's true.
We have 2 kicks and 3 stuns
its mob displacement that's the issue
coarse bay
In most pulls you have access to a single interrupt and other than that you watch pugs get bolted down
And our stuns dont do much when every stun is thrown out on pull and cause dr
hollow patio
In most pulls you have access to a single interrupt and other than that you watc...
That's like every other tank except paladin
coarse bay
Warrior also has limited ways to get aggro of something that gets ripped or pulled
hollow patio
What I am missing the most is an ability to tag multiple mobs from range. Like avengers shield for example
coarse bay
Idk pwar is the tank i feel the most at the mercy of my teams competence
Exactly if someone pulls a pat you have to charge and tc or rev
But if u used all that gathering
It feels very unforgiving when you are with a bad team
Significantly less of a problem with real people thoufh
A lot of people get lazy when the meta is ppal, or vdh last season though
proper roost
Oh did he have to reset
coarse bay
Wait what was the q william
Yes
They never need to press it
Enh has big aggro on pulls sometimes if they pool or have asc
proper roost
Good thing shamans have a threat drop
upbeat plover
Dying?
coarse bay
If u need to ping someone and know who it is ping the party frame
Idk if base blizzard has class colors but i like them
undone beacon
man i hate shamans, there was this freakin nerd shaman in my keys the other day healing, like what were they even doing in a 10 at their ilvl
upbeat plover
There's a setting for it in base
proper roost
upbeat plover
Just search class in settings
coarse bay
You have an enh and fdk, if they dont give u a couple gcds then its their fault
But youre playing
You need experience
proper roost
tbh I kinda remember what it was like to be 20 and upset that i wasn't naturally good at everything
the frontal-lobe-impaired teenager cannot conceive of skills that you must practice for many years until you're good at them, even if they're fairly simple seeming skills
dense cradle
A lot of people get lazy when the meta is ppal, or vdh last season though
vdh meta summed up
dense cradle
i dont get why they do that
proper roost
demon spikes is a Great Button
dense cradle
infernal strike doesnt even do damage
dense cradle
like idk i always pulled by throw glaive throw glaive into sof
uhh i dislike gambling
proper roost
you gamble and then if you win the 20% roulette it rules
You should try it, gambling rules.
proper roost
proper roost
former ppal rerollers
undone beacon
coarse bay
vdh meta summed up
What i mean is that a lot of people get lazy when there’s a lot of cc and interrupt handled by tanks
dense cradle
well yeah
+rsham
lazy casters that dont kick
love double caster comp and theres one lone mob casting at 30 yd
undone beacon
good think healers dont get to kick next xpac
proper roost
arent they keeping shear
dense cradle
i do feel ppal covers people in your group being bad
more than the other tanks
I still miss when ppal would instant die if sotr fell off
coarse bay
Btw another tool you can choose to bring for that slow is intervene, that and leap can cover any missed cleanses
dense cradle
i feel like im pepega when i play ppal and theres not enough globals to press everything
coarse bay
This season where both are good, youll see ppl used to ppal in a pwar group and itll be noticeable
dense cradle
like whether to sotr into spinning hammer or spend the free wog into hammer
dense cradle
doesnt spending the procs cdr your lightsmith weapon
coarse bay
It isnt worth it unless to get spellblock up or youll die
dense cradle
what if you arent talented into the block post wog
coarse bay
Youd rather spend your global on something that interacts with masterwork
Then you only wog if u need to save your life
Obviously in higher keys its more often
This tier is all about the tier set interactions
coarse bay
Your lesser wep overflow from masterworks
Which they can only proc on crits from bh, judgement, or the execute one
Or actually its just bh and judgement is think
dense cradle
Yeah but you want to bh after a spender for the talent right
coarse bay
Youre always spending its ogcd
dense cradle
wait bh is ogcd?
coarse bay
Sotr
dense cradle
I could have sworn its on global
coarse bay
Ppal is pretty much just keep your builders on cd while not overcapping
The damage comes from playing your armaments correctly
Wog is on global, thats why it sucks to press
dense cradle
i could have sworn sotr was too
coarse bay
Nope
The bloods can hit team and they hurt in higher keys, good to get aggro. And the leap tech is very good for your team, not just you. It reduces the amount of puddles the team needs
Leap just under 1 second left of cast
I do 0.8 but idk if you can see that well without addons
dense cradle
blood?
coarse bay
That boss was pug killer hell in s1
jagged gust
fr
dense cradle
i forgot those guys had an aggro table
arakara in general is quite easy to brick in pugs
imo
proper roost
it seems kinda like a massive heal check key but idk if that's just from groups so far being dogshit at it
coarse bay
I dont wanna ping him and make him look at chat, khailby when people say shit like you being the only common denominator, that isnt saying you caused a brick. It’s simply that nobody plays perfect, and the only thing you can work on is yourself
proper roost
i probably just dont know how to heal it well
but other keys dont really heal check me nearly as much, as often, i feel, outside of like dawnbreaker maybe
coarse bay
it seems kinda like a massive heal check key but idk if that's just from groups ...
It seemed kinda chill, esp compared to psf and fg. But thats also only hpal up to like 15s, ive never done rsham
jagged gust
its a real rollercoaster when it comes to healing
proper roost
i mean rsham is allegedly op idk
jagged gust
the lows are low but the high can get high, especially without enough kicks
proper roost
and i can feel it is op (I am really bad at cloudburst and i am still doing fine)
but there's just a lot of dmg inc that isn't true of like floodgate or something
jagged gust
the poison beetle add boss has some pretty ridiculous damage
like that boss just is not cool, even compared to the rest of the dungeon
upbeat plover
Khailby make friends yet?
proper roost
he managed to get invited to and then be assigned as main tank in some normal mode guild
but he disinvited himself to going to their heroic run for w/e reason
jagged gust
just needs to SR more and he's got it
im going for coffee, ping me if something funny happens
coarse bay
I dont wanna ping him and make him look at chat, khailby when people say shit li...
@red ferry
red ferry
busy
proper roost
im going for coffee, ping me if something funny happens
the nasdaq is crashing
Holy shit Khailby actually DIDN'T YAP
HE'S LOCKED IN
coarse bay
He’s tilted
coarse bay
Ya
red ferry
busy
coarse bay
He’s practicing last boss arakara
proper roost
yeah that's a tilter if key bricked on last boss
coarse bay
It’s a tuff pug dungeon, harder to brute force the 0 braincell thing that the followers have
lusty grotto
the fuck is happening
undone beacon
he's learning to not die to the keyboard boss
proper roost
good morning nimchip
lusty grotto
i just booted up WoW, decided to log on my lemix priest and it keeps fucking dc-ing, what the fuck is wrong with the game
cerulean tusk
Oh, wow is down atm
lusty grotto
long load screen -> can move for 1 second -> boom d/c
cerulean tusk
Don't worry about it
undone beacon
long load screen -> can move for 1 second -> boom d/c
Yep. Making suramar very difficult rn
cerulean tusk
Instead ping Khailby
proper roost
don't be a dick
undone beacon
Let Khailby focus >:(
proper roost
He's actually trying to get better don't ping a new player like an asshole
cerulean tusk
You asking for too much
yea true you are an asshole
lusty grotto
is he doing 12s yet
proper roost
Nah he just bricked one. Getting close tho!
lusty grotto
i see i see
proper roost
just needs more confidence
cerulean tusk
From zero to hero, the storyline
lusty grotto
AHHHHHHHHHH
proper roost
You know what it kinda reminds me of
coarse bay
He’s blaming himself for every mistake pugs make in 9s and 10s
cerulean tusk
We reached the point where he noticed it is more about others play, than hour own?
lusty grotto
ok fuck this, ill be back next week
proper roost
and this is a real throwback idk if you'll remember this one, nimchip
it reminds me of catfriend
except well catfriend was way more casual
lusty grotto
hmm
coarse bay
We reached the point where he noticed it is more about others play, than hour ow...
Thats what needs to be learned but not yet
proper roost
but u know kind of a same vibe
lusty grotto
catfriend is still around if you ping her
proper roost
no that seems unnecessary
lusty grotto
are we getting receip... i mean logs?
proper roost
He's posted some before but I think he's actually quite upset rn
lusty grotto
unfortunate
cerulean tusk
The 10 wall is something I am glad I will never encounter ever again
Bless the poor soul
proper roost
i don't have 12s done on my shaman yet i need nimchippy carry
lusty grotto
according to completionism.com, im not logging into retail for like 2 months
sorry 1 month
jagged pier
But housing
lusty grotto
i have that already in another game
proper roost
nimchip HATES his wow friends
lusty grotto
sir, i need to do this
undone beacon
The nimchip goon cave must be built
undone beacon
sir, i need to do this
This is doable in a weekend, easy
cerulean tusk
Hm, I should add nim as a friend, so I can stalk the rat house
lusty grotto
ill have you know that in the other game im the lala police, and arrest gooner criminals
proper roost
That is very strange
undone beacon
I leveled all classes through their order halls to get that achievement at the same time, ~3 hours per character 10-80 + order hall and mount
lusty grotto
you gooning? STRAIGHT TO JAIL
lusty grotto
I leveled all classes through their order halls to get that achievement at the s...
so what youre saying is, it'll take me 2 weeks
undone beacon
I s’pose
cerulean tusk
Longer
lusty grotto
2 years
undone beacon
18 years in the gulag
lusty grotto
ok ill speak to John Blizzard
undone beacon
undone beacon
I have 1.4 mil I can only spend on duplicates of housing decor, wish I could share
lusty grotto
not really worried about it
only worried about the time it'll take me to do 9 more classes
well, their campaign, cause leveling is easy enough
undone beacon
The campaigns aren’t super long since they skip all the timegate shit
lusty grotto
yeah
undone beacon
The longest parts are the dungeons quests, esp on pure dps classes
DK has you do like 5 dungeons
lusty grotto
i zoomed through shaman/warlock/dh before i took my break
undone beacon
Which is annoying
proper roost
did u describe dk as pure dps class
undone beacon
No those are seperate thoughts
proper roost
oh ok
undone beacon
Everyone knows DK is three tanks specs, this is WotLK
lusty grotto
anyway ill try it out later
so what do you mean about the duplicates
how many are you buying
lusty grotto
ah, very reasonable
cerulean tusk
They are cheap, and if you need em, ya will need a ton either way
lusty grotto
2.5k a pop, so only 250k for 100 dupes
each
tbh fuck that lmao
i dont really care about housing
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
you should see my ffxiv house
its the most stupid garbage ever
just stuff put around all over the place without rhyme or reason
id imagine the midnight house will be the same
cerulean tusk
Same as most have done then
lusty grotto
ill get right on it
just wait for it
because i dont believe in preorders
so really, wait for it LOL
cerulean tusk
Will be up in 5 to 5099 business days
undone beacon
Thanks nimster I’ll be waiting with bated breath in my goblin laboratory
lusty grotto
proper roost
i hope khailby doesn't give up
poor lad
think the bit earlier was a little too harsh
upbeat plover
Tbf I meant friends in this chat not in game lol
proper roost
he bricked a key
coarse bay
He thinks everything that happened was his fault
round pendant
that dungeon is just rolling the dice until you get a group where everyone has their heads screwed on
coarse bay
Only so much a tank can do
round pendant
He thinks everything that happened was his fault
classic
I was the same back in DF
bricks made me feel so fucking bad, you can ask nimchip he told me to get therapy over it
coarse bay
Happens to everyone
warm plinth
Not to me. I'm incredible.
coarse bay
Happens to almost everyone
round pendant
Then I realised that most bricks are DPS players just failing at their simple jobs
so I just focused on figuring out what I could have done better, and trying better next time
and ignoring puggers talking shit
coarse bay
Ya i mean the reason everyone blames tanks and healers is because its easy to do
undone beacon
Ara is a shit ass butts keys and I will forever spite the community for bringing it back on the merit of sacbrood only for sac to be mid
I did take a nap and had a dream that I bricked a key but the key was a five boss dungeon with a 20 minute timer and was like, half neltharus half azure vault
And the second boss was an observer that did the Nexus King beam mechanics
jagged gust
the nasdaq is crashing
coarse bay
Ara is a shit ass butts keys and I will forever spite the community for bringing...
Sac wasnt even that good s1, other trinkets were just more shit
undone beacon
Yeah but people forgot that and created a mental narrative that sac was crazy strong
coarse bay
Ya all the returning tww dungs seem to be for trinkets, and theyre all mid at best except pacemaker. Same with casters/healers. They use eco/raid trinkets
undone beacon
We love tome we love tome
coarse bay
Oh ya tome
Tbh im fine with forgetting tome
Not that trinkets are fun or interesting
But having a wa tell me to hit a button wasnt very riveting
@proper roost @red ferry
red ferry
eating
coarse bay
Surely you can use a fork
red ferry
at a restaurant cant play
coarse bay
can you watch
upbeat plover
You can afford a restaurant in this economy?
coarse bay
I can probably only do like 2
proper roost
all g
red ferry
<@267756075640422411> can u watch
In 20
undone beacon
He lived up to his name
undone beacon
Damn I was watching the finale of yolo silver destiny
I can hop on in a few after I shower n stuff
Also I have all noti’s except @‘s silenced so you gotta ping me if you want me to see it quickly
proper roost
all g
jagged gust
do you get mogs from it? Might log in to do it
jagged gust
does the third vault slot give me a mog?
coarse bay
Ya
I just want to tell you all that i appreciate all of you, and this discord isnt as toxic as the rumors
I have to sleep, but the nightmares of playing bdk will haunt me and keep me honest
undone beacon
I just want to tell you all that i appreciate all of you, and this discord isnt ...
We're a simple folk, we zug and we zug
outer willow
do you get mogs from it? Might log in to do it
You get sick housing stuff
Boxing gloves
Also, before blizz patches it…
If you go as a group, you share achievements.
proper roost
I just want to tell you all that i appreciate all of you, and this discord isnt ...
Hey guys i want to wish you all a happy Rosh Hashanah. Discord is full of copypasted thanksgiving messages, that people don't even read and just forward to other servers. I don't like that. I like to write what i deeply wish and what comes from my heart. Our friendships, from the most deep ones to the most virtual ones are very important and will never be represented by a simple message copied from elsewhere. This being said I would like to thank all of you. You are the best hockey team i've ever played with.
round pendant
What a cute noob
inland steppe
hey sry dumb question, what does reflecting mudslide on swampface do
coarse bay
hey sry dumb question, what does reflecting mudslide on swampface do
10% magic dr
Which it is a physical hit btw, so nothing
inland steppe
ah kk
warm plinth
ah kk
Mudslide is a deflect. Meaning it will do no damage to you if you use spell reflection, but also won't deal damage to the mob. Makes it pointless to use it on that mechanic especially since the established strategy would make people very confused if you didn't move for the mechanic.
proper roost
wowee first vault since s1
red ferry
red ferry
busy
proper roost
no we're not praising him, he only got one slot
and he only got that 1 slot because we forced him to do keys
jade hazel
so. I have to do four time walking dungeons every week for five out of the nine weeks to keep the master buff to get the mount? and the buff isnt warbound?
tribal wharf
and he only got that 1 slot because we forced him to do keys
it will be a yogi bait trinket
coarse bay
so. I have to do four time walking dungeons every week for five out of the nine ...
When i did it, it was considered bugged but you could do tw on multiple characters and every time u got the buff on one it counted as a week i think
But idk if they fixed it
coarse bay
What was the piece
red ferry
vault closed
red ferry
second
jade hazel
When i did it, it was considered bugged but you could do tw on multiple characte...
yeah. I read it twice, just making sure I understood it so I didn't miss out.
jade hazel
you didnt do 8 tier 11s tf
coarse bay
yeah. I read it twice, just making sure I understood it so I didn't miss out.
It was like that till the end of the last time they did it, i never heard if it was fixed
Is it a new mount or the same dragon?
jade hazel
there's like 3
proper roost
the only thing khailby has done this week is like
jade hazel
you get to pick i think
coarse bay
Ya but only the corsair for the achieve
proper roost
15 hours of visions, I think
coarse bay
U can buy them with timewalking badges
proper roost
bro is like 18 years old and has nostalgia for wow 💀
jade hazel
yeah idfk i feel stupid reading wowhead posts sometimes
proper roost
it's not your fault
they actually just write them horribly
Could be argued conspiratorially that the more insane and confusing "guide" websites make their guides, the more often you have to go back and check them
ergo, more pageviews/ad revenue
(But occam's razor, most people are just really bad at technical writing, and good technical writing is really difficult to do.)
proper roost
Before we get vault pics i want to get started
I actually just was going to post this when khailby inevitably has vault questions
Like
it'll just be way too funny
upbeat plover
My boi will live
proper roost
i think he'll just go casual and then quit in a couple weeks or smth. u hate to see it
bright eyed new player to jaded casual
typical class discord being too toxic
no one even tried to help..
round pendant
You could just stop being a vibe terrorist rn
upbeat plover
That's a self reflection if anything lol
coarse bay
proper roost
this is so sad
upbeat plover
Lad didn't know I was still here and could teach him it all
(Though he knew I was in pvp chat)
proper roost
i like to think that he might use this as impetus to touch grass irl and make friends irl instead tho
and that would be a good outcome.
coarse bay
Pup hasnt been gaming for 2 weeks and he’s expecting to be able to carry some pugs in 10s
proper roost
I mean
dont u remember what its like to be 20
If you're not the best at something in 1 week, it's garbage
upbeat plover
i like to think that he might use this as impetus to touch grass irl and make fr...
Overrated and disgusting
proper roost
your frontal lobe isn't developed yet you have no concept of long term thought
round pendant
Why are we patronizing khailby as if it isn't something we've all experienced
proper roost
it's actually insane that we send 18 year olds to college and/or military like they should decide their next 10 years when they can't decide their next week
proper roost
Why are we patronizing khailby as if it isn't something we've all experienced
Kinda rules to be mean to young people
you should try it
It's like the best part about getting old
coarse bay
Nah i feel bad, i think us messing around has made him feel like he is supposed to be better
round pendant
Maybe not if you keep mocking him though
proper roost
i think if you mock enough it'll loop around to being spite and spite is the best motivator
coarse bay
Best demotivator is pugging
proper roost
but seriously i think it's actually just a lost cause
red ferry
but seriously i think it's actually just a lost cause
thanks
proper roost
i think people do not recognize the mental illness it requires to pug keys constantly
it's just kinda like ingrained among wow players as being normal
red ferry
Vaguely
coarse bay
Doing keys is fine, just gotta tune out the noise
proper roost
that is the mental illness u guys are normalizing
proper roost
it's not normal to have to put up with the annoyance of pugs to have fun in a video game
coarse bay
Personally
upbeat plover
I do 95% of the time
upbeat plover
There's a lot you can do as a tank to direct the tards
round pendant
None of this is a pathology
proper roost
because they're normal
ur just not normal
u have to recognize that people who keyge are not normal
round pendant
No matter what you're doing in life, there'll be idiots giving you useless advice
part of getting better is learning when someone's intentions are good or if they're just dumb idiots giving unconstructive criticism
and learning when things were within your control or not
proper roost
yeah like this guy
round pendant
My advice is good
round pendant
I stand by my advice
red ferry
part of getting better is learning when someone's intentions are good or if they...
i think i need to make clear that the biggest issue is that pugging is a tangled ball of everyones mistakes and I don’t know how to untangle it enough to find my strand of mistakes and study it while ignoring everybody else
upbeat plover
i think i need to make clear that the biggest issue is that pugging is a tangled...
Are you dying as the tank?
red ferry
no
round pendant
a few crafted pieces is going to cost him a bunch of gold for very little gain vs just doing keys and getting drops and weekly vaults
the season is over, too
upbeat plover
Then you've done your job
round pendant
He was complaining about being poor
upbeat plover
Gg
red ferry
i think its more nuanced than that leland
round pendant
At your level, it's not
upbeat plover
Yeah, the nuance is how can you direct the tards
round pendant
You cannot direct puggers in keys below like 12, maybe even 15 at this point
upbeat plover
How can you position things to spoon feed it to your party?
How can you ping to direct them like the adhd kids they are?
round pendant
Part of tanking pugs is realising that it's just rng of hitting a competent group
red ferry
Is that not just diffusion of responsibility
round pendant
play the game more and you'll understand
upbeat plover
Khailby, what is your goal?
round pendant
Your job is to pull a sane route and not die (and do damage)
proper roost
He was complaining about being poor
he's not poor he has like 200k
well, he's not destitute
proper roost
comes with being unemployed yeah
red ferry
Khailby, what is your goal?
ce by end of midnight
coarse bay
Khailby i think we pushed u too far too soon, you shouldve grinded up slower cuz now youre feeling pressured
round pendant
Khailby's progressing fine
upbeat plover
ce by end of midnight
Oh, well that doesn't have much to do with M+
So if you can do 10s easily, you chillin
Denathrius is my only CE. After that I was done. Mainly cuz it was because SL was awful but still lol
When I came back in DF, I didn't want a raiding job again
I just pug aotc
round pendant
he's not poor he has like 200k
Why spend the gold for a few extra ilvls when the game's dead and it's not going to make or break his keys? The game drops gear that's more than adequate for doing everything up to like +16s
coarse bay
Khailby if we inject some io into you itll be different too. It’s a different class of gamers that apply and you get to pick and choose better
round pendant
And I doubt Khailby's goal rn is doing 16s
proper roost
why not
upbeat plover
Keys at start of season are much smoother
proper roost
if ur not the best ur the worst
round pendant
Because it shouldn't be
upbeat plover
People with brains still playing on the first few weeks
coarse bay
I wouldnt touch any mid range keys rn
By the time turbo came out 13-17 were so troll to do
Creatures
round pendant
lmao this season I had to skip week 2 and the quality of the keys went through the floor when I played again
upbeat plover
Yeah, it really just the first couple weeks, then it falls off a cliff
round pendant
I wouldnt touch any mid range keys rn
12s should be pretty good for learning rn surely?
I haven't seen how dire it is rn tho
proper roost
no
upbeat plover
I don't even boost 10s anymore. Pay is only like 13-15k
coarse bay
12s should be pretty good for learning rn surely?
It doesnt matter the level, he still just needs reps
round pendant
yup
undone beacon
12s are not great for learning because its mostly full of either turbo dogshit players there trying to get crests because they read its efficient but they aren't at 12 level skill wise, and then turbo CE/Title sweats on mains/alts trying to farm crests and flaming anyone who breathes wrong
proper roost
i feel like those people dont rly flame they just want their vault and leave but idk
just my experience
undone beacon
Idk we literally had a paladin being a dickmuncher in a 10 the other day kanga
upbeat plover
That kind of stuff will exist at pretty much all the normal key levels
proper roost
i've only ever been flamed by people who were very midrange and were taking out their inadequacy
like yam
sorry i just had to
round pendant
I had more experiences of toxicity this season than most
but it still wasn't that bad
coarse bay
The sweats doing vaults or whatever are selective with groups and he wont see them
round pendant
i've only ever been flamed by people who were very midrange and were taking out ...
I've never flamed you
coarse bay
That warrior wasnt even sweat level in fg kanga and he whispered me asking if i knew u because he didnt want to waste his time
proper roost
...
round pendant
I think the only people I've flamed here is nimchip and jordan
undone beacon
I mean at the end of the day its an MMO, and you're going to run into a lot of turbo shits. But when i was pugging early season i had fine experiences with randos, but the occasional toxic player can really take you out of it
proper roost
That warrior wasnt even sweat level in fg kanga and he whispered me asking if i ...
LOL what the fuck
why didnt u say that's so fucking funny
round pendant
i think i need to make clear that the biggest issue is that pugging is a tangled...
You'll figure it out as you get more comfortable with the game and can see things happening from a wider perspective btw
Just focus on doing well at your own job
proper roost
people getting sweaty about a 700 ilvl character joining late season are funny
I mean I absolutely do not blame them but also they don't know that i'm a gamer
Smh
round pendant
I blame them
proper roost
it's like, bitch, u have 13s done at best and ur sweating over a 700 ilvl healer in a 12
eyeroll
3k io people acting like you cant do these keys at way less ilvl
round pendant
So many key hosters don't understand anything about what makes a group successful
proper roost
its ONLY midrange people who flame that much imo, in keys
upbeat plover
Even if you good, you gonna easily have keys that fall through if you pugging
Sometimes people just dumb
Sometimes you are the one who does the dumb thing
proper roost
anyone who's actually competent knows u save the flame for after the key
upbeat plover
Shiz happens
proper roost
😎
round pendant
Yeah thing is puggers will very rarely say "shit my b"
round pendant
So it's left to you to be like "was that my fault?"
I made my healer friend a lot more comfortable doing harder content by basically being there to tell them that it wasn't their fault that the dps just got blown up from a missed kick
coarse bay
why didnt u say that's so fucking funny
I forgot, he asked me before we started lmao
coarse bay
He was like 3600, not even really sweat
proper roost
I half thought we would have to 4 man the key after I killed him on swamp boss
because he was giga tilted
mighty valley
it’s also like… you don’t need to fully and correctly assign blame
you don’t need to figure out prison sentences for everyone
proper roost
I mean his problem is that he's assuming all blame on himself all the time tho
not that he's blaming other people
round pendant
Same thing though
proper roost
and then he's like "i can never key again because it's always my fault"
mighty valley
well yeah but he doesn’t need to calculate his own prison sentence either
proper roost
good luck telling him that
round pendant
If you're not confident in the cause of the brick sometimes it's better to just go agane
and forget about it
upbeat plover
Rule of thumb Khailby
Everyone else sucks, I'm perfect. They're throwing, I'm carrying
mighty valley
give him a pep talk
undone beacon
what a horrid dysfunctional family we've created
round pendant
Yogi's the grandpa
proper roost
gamer word in comic sry but this shit is just the exact vibe khailby gives off sometimes and yes LITERALLY all he needs to do is pet the dog
like just pet the dog
proper roost
thats bc u dont know how much he's avoiding doing keys
round pendant
There's literally nothing abnormal (or special) about Khailby's journey
proper roost
he done 1 day of keys and then avoided it ever since
because he's afraid of doing it wrong
mighty valley
many such cases
upbeat plover
Do you need help sometime @red ferry ?
proper roost
i mean i don't think that is abnormal either i think this is very normal. again. it requires mental illness to want to spam keys
i think the vast majority of wow players do like a few keys, not even 10s-12s, and then dip and never do them again
round pendant
I mean what khailby is experiencing is kinda unique to tank and healer roles tbf
most players are dps specifically to avoid this feeling
You even have people with tankxiety in fucking FFXIV of all things
proper roost
if you look at rating cutoff 50th percentile of m+ players is like 1900 io
which is what khailby is at
he's just average
so good for him. raiding is an entirely different skillset anyway
tame locust
proper roost
if he only wants to get CE he doesn't even need to key
can get like a late af CE and never touch keys
undone beacon
There's literally nothing abnormal (or special) about Khailby's journey
whats abnormal about Khailby's journey has been a class discord bearing down on him since character creation lol
upbeat plover
But also... if you can CE raid, should be able to key cuz its easy at that point
upbeat plover
whats abnormal about Khailby's journey has been a class discord bearing down on ...
That's yall.
Over in pvp chat, we'll probably just shit on him for his bench, or his rating
round pendant
whats abnormal about Khailby's journey has been a class discord bearing down on ...
That's true
proper roost
typically people will ask like 1 question and then never come back because they got their 1 important question answered
which is normal!!!
undone beacon
That's yall.
Over in pvp chat, we'll probably just shit on him for his bench, or...
when i say class discord i mean prot warr chat because as far as im concerned this entire discord exists solely in this channel
proper roost
true
upbeat plover
He came over to the pvp chat because he said it was the only active chat in all the class cords
round pendant
I don't think Khailby's use of this discord is unusual
but some of y'all interactions with him has been a bit unusual
not naming names
upbeat plover
It was happen chance that it was the same guy I raided with years ago
proper roost
arms is full of salty losers (always worse than fury)
fury is full of sim>gameplay nerds
prot is based??
Especially when pwar is the worst tank in the meta
upbeat plover
Pvp chat gets pvpers of all classes because all the other class cords' pvp chats are dead af
proper roost
i hate it when pwar is meta, all the mouthbreathers show up
upbeat plover
But war pvp chat is active, based, and for men
Most people in there are hunters or rets lmao
round pendant
this channel is literally the best resource for just generally getting better at wow
most of the other class discords are actual cheeks
proper roost
just like when there's 500 ppal rerollers here. horrid
proper roost
ppal is a based spec, theres a big difference imo
upbeat plover
Ongoing theory in pvp chat is that warriors are all jacked and handsome
proper roost
it's about the attitude
round pendant
It reminds me of Tekken character discords
There's a couple that are chill af and filled with nice people who like being helpful
upbeat plover
it's about the attitude
Attitude was "my cousin always giving me shit for only playing warrior always" and finally buckling and doing something else
round pendant
and then there's the others that are 
upbeat plover
Of course as soon as I did it, pwar was really strong
round pendant
Every time I play another spec I get kinda bored and go back to ol reliable
upbeat plover
I don't. Felt nice to have more tools to stop the idiots from being idiots
Spell bop cheese was nice for a few things too
proper roost
I mean ofc tank players dont
its just annoying to have groups be significantly dumber because tank carry
Like u can always tell after ppal meta seasons cuz everyone sucks at kicks
upbeat plover
Isn't that just always?
red ferry
is maintenance over
cedar rune
Group not dumber because tank carry. Group dummer, and tank carry
undone beacon
is maintenance over
Yee
proper roost
did i make you spiteful at me yet khailby
i'll play my pwar this week so u can strive to be better than it
cerulean tusk
Just play BDK for all content you can overgear. Then you simply just do what you want, how you want and the guys live or die, it doesn't matter to you
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
proper roost
Isn't that just true of literally any tank
I can't really think of any tank that shouldn't die last in a key
cerulean tusk
I am talking you don't die at all
proper roost
I feel like that's just true of any tank minus pwar who slowly bleeds
cerulean tusk
Ppl die during big pull, doesn't matter, drag it under boss as they already dead
Ain't no break on my toxic train, ya either keep up or start typing in capslock
proper roost
yeah idk i feel like ur just describing any tank gameplay
have had more bears doing that than bdks tbh
cerulean tusk
Pwarrior usually just die, monk gets dragged down, bear I haven't played since
Oh my
SL
proper roost
BDK doesn't really do that well anymore
cerulean tusk
For sure not, but if you overgear the content you still won't die
They just killed prog DK
proper roost
Pwar and monk does bleed, but they nerfed DS too much for that to matter
for bdk in particular
i think bear actually scales the best in this regard, with how they designed it
nowadays, anyway (since DF ish)
cerulean tusk
BDK only need to live between DRW CDs, and that is where you got Vampiric and IB
Ya won't die overgeared content
When you push tho, dios Mio, give me warrior
BDK, someone does a snap ApE stun, whiteswings are synced, Parry RNG fails...
Dead
proper roost
you should play bear the spec is like BDK but if you didn't have drw but if bone shield actually worked
proper roost
and your aoe actually scales way better and you have like 3 emergency selfheals that aren't reliant on your resource (because of course bears do)
I'm glad bears are getting removed in midnight
cerulean tusk
What they do
proper roost
Animal crimes.
cerulean tusk
Well, never saw a decent bear in years
So
Good riddance
I am going to get a sandal tossed at me later, worth
coarse bay
Ya won't die overgeared content
Once again, true on every tank
coarse bay
and your aoe actually scales way better and you have like 3 emergency selfheals ...
Technically they do take rage, and outside of incarn have 2 charges
cerulean tusk
Depends on how you define it, but ya can try it out, see how far up you go with the different ones
Would be interesting to see, honestly
proper roost
I mean you run into dps issues the entire way
proper roost
So ultimately highest dps tank is what wins here, and yeah i mean, I'm pretty sure bear actually wins that one because of aoe damage scaling (thrash is really good)
coarse bay
Ya but bear has horrid ST and its really only strong every 3 minutes
It drags average down
red ferry
i am angry
proper roost
yeah but pwar just dies from really slowly bleeding out i think so u have to pick 2nd best
red ferry
nobody knows how to transmogrify male races
coarse bay
But the 30 seconds of big damage and how defensively strong it is can enable some pulls that other tanks might not
proper roost
There's like 500 good warrior sets
Wear one of those
i'm kind of a boomer so i really like t6 warrior i'm afraid
t5 also kind of iconic
cerulean tusk
nobody knows how to transmogrify male races
Most elite PvP sets look good
red ferry
i do not pvp
proper roost
most plate tier sets kinda look gas
As opposed to
all mail sets (lol lmao lol)
half the leather sets (druid have like 2 good tier sets omegalul)
red ferry
i just dont want two of the same race on my warband menu
coarse bay
What class are you making
red ferry
bdk
red ferry
was gonna do LFD but the hooves
proper roost
Last night I realized I had 3 belves and my shaman on my warband menu. bit cringe
red ferry
Go velf for looks
ok but pontificate upon the fact they have this stupid ass special animation where they twirl around and its not strategically sound
exposes the back
coarse bay
When i swapped to horde back before cross realm and faction, i had like 8 belfs lol
proper roost
Transmog supremacy I'm afraid
upbeat plover
i do not pvp
Just pvp
coarse bay
ok but pontificate upon the fact they have this stupid ass special animation whe...
Do they have the belf twirl? I didnt think they did
red ferry
velf hjas the same animations
proper roost
also ever since they fixed weapon size for female belf, shit looks cartoonishly large
red ferry
its just blue belf
undone beacon
Male belf 2-handed animations look like ass imo
proper roost
Khailby do u need me to apologize to you for thinking you're a lost cause
undone beacon
I know you dont want two of the same race but tbh male kultiran DKs look intimidating when armored up
red ferry
okay i made him look pretty cool
red ferry
I know you dont want two of the same race but tbh male kultiran DKs look intimid...
yeah but then i have to play worgen druid
actually
that doesnt sound awful because its basically human but like
proper roost
red ferry
worgen in 2025
undone beacon
No nelf druid? Thats a classic
proper roost
why would you play nelf druid
red ferry
No nelf druid? Thats a classic
demon hunter
proper roost
u dont want bad dash on your druid?!
undone beacon
You've seen my highmountain tauren
red ferry
no thank you
i guess i have to wait for bats but like
then im levelling a lemix druid for the form anyway
and then i delete it
and that feels weird
undone beacon
You’d be surprised how many people do that
Especially with how easy lemix leveling is
Good for throwaway characters
red ferry
does velf have the same 2h animations for every 2h
can i just use like a polearm
or an axe
and get a different animation set
and the real question is since lemix exists for what purpose do i use my token
undone beacon
and the real question is since lemix exists for what purpose do i use my token
Saves a few hours regardless, plus it maxes a bunch of TWW reps and gives some starter gear
red ferry
so do i do lemix death knight or token death knight
upbeat plover
Token?
red ferry
boost token leland
undone beacon
As for animations, some of the auto attack animations change but it’s not that substantial
Character boost
upbeat plover
Why you call it a token? Lol weirdo
Umm... I'd say just level in lemix cuz it takes no time
But that's just me
undone beacon
Doing Lemix is also a good way to get some neat transmogs
upbeat plover
I assume you don't have the exp buff maxed. But when you do it takes 1-2 hours to max a toon
red ferry
I assume you don't have the exp buff maxed. But when you do it takes 1-2 hours t...
ive got +100%
how do you max it
proper roost
i missed mop remix, did they ever make the MOP cm transmogs available retroactively or is it just the recolors
upbeat plover
i missed mop remix, did they ever make the MOP cm transmogs available retroactiv...
Neither
proper roost
Based
undone beacon
It goes up to 400%, getting characters to max level, finishing zone campaigns, and doing infinite research gives more xp
proper roost
be old or suffer bitch
upbeat plover
Reeeeeeeeee
proper roost
i wish i had played my shaman in mop, the blastoise cannons would be cool