protection

[red ferry]

i made a dwarf warrior

so

all mogs suck

smile

[proper roost]

my dwarf shaman looks sick as hell actually

😎

[undone beacon]

Alliance

Gross

[red ferry]

i didnt know kanga wasnt above lying

[proper roost]

you ain't seen it

dwarves unfortunately have the best totem appearance by far and it's not even close

i did pick my shaman race specifically based on totem

jk i picked it because stoneform is OP as hell

[undone beacon]

But yeah if you want to learn bear its not that hard, Dreagrove.gg is a reliable guide for all druid specs, theres always wowhead and icyveins, etc

[red ferry]

i mean idk

[proper roost]

are they nerfing stoneform in midnight or is it going to continue to be really op

[red ferry]

i want to play warrior but theres just

heroic leap cooldown

[undone beacon]

but really its just spam mangle+thrash on CD, spam ironfur, fill with swipe/moonfire

[red ferry]

I hate waddling

[proper roost]

🤨

Warrior is the most mobile tank in the game in bursts and it's not even close

[red ferry]

like i tried vdh in lemix

and

leap and slam

leap and slam

backflip

double jump

[proper roost]

you don't want to double jump while actively tanking

[red ferry]

yea IN COMBAT sure warrior is probably the best

but like

world content..

[proper roost]

Use a mount idiot

[red ferry]

erm

[proper roost]

Your takes are so bad

I actually hate you

[red ferry]

anyway how long does it take to get to mage tower from lemix

[proper roost]

:smh

[red ferry]

i know like

SEVEN people

with your personality

and theyre all on estrogen

[proper roost]

how are you such a bad take farmer

[red ferry]

is the estrogen like

evil

does it make you mean

[proper roost]

i don't think you know anything about my personality

[red ferry]

i know its mean

[proper roost]

nimchip is mean. i'm chill i just hate you specifically

[red ferry]

oh

do race changes ever go on sale

can i just buy like 10 of them during christmas

and save

[proper roost]

you have to stop having bad takes

Also if your dumb ass thinks warrior is slow what do you think bear is

bear is the slowest tank in the game by a lot

[red ferry]

doesnt bear get two charges of charge

[undone beacon]

no

[red ferry]

oh

[undone beacon]

Bear charge is optional

Your interrupt has a charge on it I guess, if you want to count that

[proper roost]

13 yard range baybee

[red ferry]

ranged interrupt must be nice

[proper roost]

It is not a ranged interrupt

[red ferry]

but then i cant say "sorry i play warrior i cant kick adds :)" in m_

[proper roost]

It is a 13 yd "charge"

that interrupts

in melee range

[red ferry]

oh

[undone beacon]

The best part about bear is moonfire is gods greatest pulling tool. 40-45yd range, dont have to face the target, plus no shield so you can take more backshots than normal

Yeah not a ranged kick

[proper roost]

and if you press it outside of 13 yds you don't get it off

[red ferry]

you know what else has a 40 yard range

throw weapon

[proper roost]

yeah you should not be using heroic throw

typically

[red ferry]

oh

what

[proper roost]

unless you have to

[undone beacon]

Throw weapon doesnt leave a dot to generate aggro, and you have to face your target, and its not that great in general

[red ferry]

i press it for pulling

[proper roost]

resets autoattack timer

on the gcd

[undone beacon]

Waiter waiter i want titanic throw

[proper roost]

does really bad damage

if you have to pull a mob from ranged and you aren't going to gap close to it for whatever reason (like if you're gathering two separate packs) then you just taunt one of the mobs in the other pack

taunt is ranged

Or

you leap into one pack and charge the other

if you have to pull THREE packs or you really need to hold taunt for something (unlikely), that's the situation you use heroic throw

I was pretty sure I saw you using heroic throw in that clip a few days ago but I only didn't comment on it because you were doing 500 other things wrong and it's not really a big deal, but if you're opening every pull with HT you're playing objectively incorrectly

[red ferry]

3 pack pull sarent real?

[proper roost]

i mean if you suck maybe

[undone beacon]

Pull 1 mob at a time, cc the rest of the pack

[proper roost]

this is so messed up, now i really want to backseat while telling the tank to pull more

It's so much fun to make baby tanks sweat

[tribal wharf]

im still not very good at that megabonk shit

need to unlock more dudes probably

i bet if blizzard made a vampire survivors mega bonk game it would be bad lol

thats another example of what i consider to be an almost perfect game

its fast and simple and runs butter smooth at all times, and if any thing at all comes up for any reason i can quit out instantly

i don't even have to say what the other example of perfect game is, you already know

i think they would some how make it all contrived to play and it probably has a cash shop i bet if blizzard does it

and it would probably have annoying voice overs

[proper roost]

i bought and then refunded megabonk twice

game just does not scratch the itch like vampire survivors did i think

[tribal wharf]

no, it is opposite for me

[coarse bay]

With leap, 2 charges, and shield charge, you should almost never need to do such a weak pull where u arent getting some aggro built

[tribal wharf]

i actively avoided buying this one cuz 3d games is better than 2d (MOSTLY) big asterisks

cuz there is a game come outer litera 1 hour

and i already know i buy it second it goes live

and i knew i would play MB forever

i didn't like VS by the end, i like this one more, you can jump

[red ferry]

@proper roost hey

run the pros and cons by me of like

deleting my warrior and making one on lemix

smile

[proper roost]

What

[red ferry]

what what

you said theres nothing to do on main

so then lemix

[proper roost]

Why are you deleting the main character though

and it's not that there's nothing to do, it's that there's no one to play with

No one wants to do keys right now it's kinda pointless

[red ferry]

the name is really good

and besides

if i have one warrior

when would i use another

thats the only 2 reasons

name and why redundancy

[coarse bay]

Just come up with another good name

[red ferry]

i guess

but then what about the second thing

[coarse bay]

Why do you need a warrior in lemix

Arent u already vdh

[red ferry]

ya

but what about warrior

[proper roost]

yeah i'm not quite following just play the remix character?

[red ferry]

hidden appearance and mage tower

[coarse bay]

No mage tower and who cares about hidden appearances

[red ferry]

wait

theres no mage tower

?

[coarse bay]

If u want to do a lemix warrior just do it

[red ferry]

tf

[coarse bay]

Ive never seen any reason to do more than one character in remix

[proper roost]

I have no idea about the mage tower thing, but the prot warrior mage tower appearance is dogshit

[coarse bay]

I just do it for the mounts

[red ferry]

oh is it

half the mounts are ground mounts though cammy

[proper roost]

I mean it's an appearance thing so ymmv but I think it looks garbage

[red ferry]

ymmv

thats how i know you're old

[coarse bay]

U cant get mage tower rewards anymore

“Exclusive”

[red ferry]

i thought that was like a big appeal of lemix

they brought back keystone hero too

[coarse bay]

Thats what people wanted

And cried about when they said no

[proper roost]

just use WoD CM shield transmog

[red ferry]

also

it may be because

even though dwarf is dummy op

it looks really ugly

and i wont be in "need dummy op racial" territory

[coarse bay]

Didn’t u like the looks before

[red ferry]

for another 365 days

[coarse bay]

And dummy op is an overstatement

[red ferry]

I mean i DID

[coarse bay]

I bet you havent even used stone form

[red ferry]

i have

its 10% dr

[proper roost]

i mean, stoneform is not op because of the dr lol

[coarse bay]

10% dr isnt what makes it good though

[red ferry]

healers should b cleansing you

right

[tribal wharf]

i like how human and dwarf active racial is god like and then every other race ability is shit tier

[red ferry]

self cleanse is cool and good but

[proper roost]

there's a cooldown on dispel

[coarse bay]

Human is useless for tanks usually

[red ferry]

is it long

[proper roost]

and stoneform dispels bleeds

[red ferry]

i saw they reworked their passive to be hearthstone cooldown

[tribal wharf]

cannabalize a dead humanoid only body to only recover health and you cant move and have to chnnal it and it only heals you for 40% hp

[red ferry]

thats pretty cool

[tribal wharf]

like,

[proper roost]

Which is sometimes extremely good

[tribal wharf]

or like, i dunno, like, the holy goats one

you die and then a dude appears and expldoes

[coarse bay]

I remember u first came here asking for best races and we all said do vibes and looks

And u said no

[proper roost]

Racials are a meme when people who are just getting like KSM care about it though

[coarse bay]

And here u are in 2s and lemix wanting to not be dwarf

[red ferry]

erm

[proper roost]

lol did he really ask that

that's fucking hilarious

[red ferry]

shhh

nio

i knew the answer already

[tribal wharf]

remove stun

[coarse bay]

He wanted the meta racials

[red ferry]

thats why i played blelf paladin

but

[tribal wharf]

remove basically every debuff

[red ferry]

i wanted to know what was meta racial

[tribal wharf]

HMMMMMm

[red ferry]

for memes

[tribal wharf]

i wonder if i want to play either of those 2

[red ferry]

anyway dwarf does look good you just need really rare and niche mogs to make it look good

[tribal wharf]

cuz those effects happen ALOT, and kill you

[red ferry]

and thats rough

[proper roost]

All short races have terrible transmogs

[tribal wharf]

no, dwarf is fine

[red ferry]

yeah but nelf ears are horrid

[coarse bay]

I changed off dwarf too for my characters, i told you its ugly

[proper roost]

my dwarf has 2 good ones and it took like 10 people workshopping it

[tribal wharf]

dwarf is shorter human

[coarse bay]

Then dont play nelf lmao, u wont be doing meld skips

[red ferry]

this is mine

[proper roost]

hoping pugs do meld skips properly monkaw

[red ferry]

i think it looks good

but it could always be better

[proper roost]

You look like an NPC.

Derogatory

[red ferry]

show me any of your mogs for any race

[coarse bay]

Either way u can have multiple warriors

[red ferry]

youll look like an npc too

or youll look like a meme

[coarse bay]

Never a reason to delete any character youve leveled

[proper roost]

okay just pay for my sub

[red ferry]

no

fuk u

i'm mean today

i said fuck you

[tribal wharf]

i like the maghar ability

[red ferry]

why

[tribal wharf]

just random stat buff

[red ferry]

random

[tribal wharf]

secondary

one of 4

cant control which

i would call that random

[proper roost]

i'm glad you're growing a spine

slow process tho

[red ferry]

im doing warrants right now

for the reshii

[proper roost]

you would grow it faster if you did keys with a healer that made you cry

[red ferry]

why cant i find the guy with the quest i need to finish the warrant

wtf

[proper roost]

pullin 1 pack at a time ass

[coarse bay]

I healed him in his first mythic

Havent logged in since

[proper roost]

tragic

[coarse bay]

[red ferry]

ill log a key right now

eco dome aldani

too much routing freedom

[proper roost]

actually hate like 90% of prot warriors in pugs fr

[tribal wharf]

I don't want to set the world on fire.

like, look at how perfect it is

there is some idiot stupid head monster

and i have fire

so i kill it and it never lags

i dont have to pay a sub fee or big up front

[coarse bay]

I hate 99% of everybody in pugs

[proper roost]

it's like 60% boomer players (1 pull at a time), 35% "i only know revenge and also i'm rage capped the entire time," 4% "i've got the MDI skips guys", 1% good players

prot warriors are unique

among tanks

u dont get boomer players playing vdh it's not possible

you just get people who leap and then instantly die in packs

👌

[red ferry]

i only know revenge and also im rage capped the entire time

so true

[proper roost]

i doubt you even know revenge, your rage income is like 40% of what you should be getting

god I actually kind of want to spite play just to prove how easy it is

but that's toxic 😔

[undone beacon]

Kanga? Toxic? Never

[proper roost]

Look have you seen nimchip lately

But also you've never done a key with me I'm chill af as long as you don't suck at tanking

[red ferry]

Okay

log acquired

i actually felt like i did good except for boss mechanics

or well not good

but i played my class not worse than anyone has ever played it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3HfXDmMcbKzYrZv6?fight=last

@proper roost @coarse bay

https://tenor.com/view/mindwave-starlight-bounce-boing-yump-gif-15701515508900787129

[proper roost]

What the fuck is that cpm

[red ferry]

check my haste stat

and also i play colossus

yayyy blue

blue means competent

[proper roost]

Why are you opening with revenge on shit

[sinful copper]

Colossus

[proper roost]

What's wrong with you

[red ferry]

prepping for midnight

[red ferry]

uhhh

i dont know if i have other cooldowns open

but i probably do

and forgor

but also revenge is an aoe

[proper roost]

I'm not saying your overall cpm goober I'm saying your SS cpm is dog and you're spamming revenge

Nope your literal first GCD of the key was charge-> Revenge

[red ferry]

o

[proper roost]

Wrong

[red ferry]

hmm

[sinful copper]

Guess u need more prep

[red ferry]

i think the shield slam cpm gap is because of haste

whats potential shield slam casts

vs shield slam actuals

[proper roost]

And you keep spamming heroic throw.

[red ferry]

i pressed it like 15 times

for aggro

[sinful copper]

What

[red ferry]

to pull

because there were casters

and if i walk around picking up a bunch of guys

then the castes are gonna sit in their spot

:(

[proper roost]

your first thunder clap is 45 seconds into the key

[red ferry]

ya

do u want to press it on colossus

[unreal yarrow]

Yes, and you should try out thane. It is smoother than colossus on beta, both tuned about the same dps and survival

[red ferry]

nom told me to play colossus

[proper roost]

I think you might not actually want to get better

[sinful copper]

Damn

[proper roost]

This cast profile is making me want to die.

[red ferry]

whats your frame of reference

other new tanks

or goat tanks

[unreal yarrow]

I'm pretty new, but most prot on beta are playing thane. Goats included

[red ferry]

talking to kanga

about cast profile

ya its a bad cast profile

thats why i posted it

[red ferry]

so you can tell me "unbind revenge so you press shield slam more"

[sinful copper]

Oh boy

U can't unbind revenge as colossus

[red ferry]

yea that tracks

[sinful copper]

Actually I don't even know how to play this season of Colossus. Only did it last season

[mighty valley]

it's the same

[red ferry]

i wonder where i have to go to find out the maximum shield block uptime you can have with this haste

dont think sims tell you that

[sinful copper]

Just get more haste

[mighty valley]

it plays like prot warrior has always played but 1) press demolish when you can and 2) if rage is all good and rend is up, you can prio revenge over tc

[sinful copper]

Or use the other talent

[mighty valley]

with heavy rep you can def get 100% uptime at low haste

but you have to press

shield slam

[sinful copper]

Yeah that one

[red ferry]

yea

i only hit 80% of all opportunities to shield slam

just need to stop tracking revenge

[sinful copper]

And with wrong talent?

[red ferry]

because its preventing me from hitting shield slam more

[mighty valley]

he's got heavy rep

[mighty valley]

what does this even mean

there's nothing to track, it has no cd

[sinful copper]

So how only 80% of all shield slams with heavy repercussions?

[red ferry]

when i see that i have no other buttons i can press

usually i press revenge

but i shouldnt do that

[sinful copper]

U have shield slam to press tho

[red ferry]

because it distracts me from watching for a shield slam proc

[mighty valley]

but... the problem is you can press shield slam and you're not

[red ferry]

yea

cause im not looking at the right place

[mighty valley]

it's just practice

and reminding yourself every run that ss is the button to press

[red ferry]

thats true

but kanga says this is a really bad cast profile even by the standards of new players

so like

its more than just practice

[proper roost]

who gives a shit about how new players play

[mighty valley]

we don't have data to suggest what percentile you're in

[proper roost]

why are you comparing yourself to dirt

[red ferry]

idk

[mighty valley]

it doesn't matter, you've already improved and will continue to improve

[proper roost]

There is a theoretical optimal play that is easy to figure out

[mighty valley]

if you stop hating yourself (impossible challenge)

[proper roost]

shield slam on cd, tc on cd, damage cooldowns under avatar

[red ferry]

impossible challenge

yea

and i didnt do that

even though its apparently obvious and easy

for everybody

[proper roost]

The goal is to play to the theoretical max not to be better than dirt players

[red ferry]

so its not a practice issue alone

it might not even be 50% or more a practice issue

is what you're saying

[proper roost]

Well if you aren't practicing correctly then it doesn't matter how you play

[red ferry]

ya

[mighty valley]

you're new to tank, you're new to the dungeons, your brain just isn't focusing on single issues yet

[red ferry]

how do i practice correctlier

[red ferry]

i mean thats what i want to tell myself but i think if i do then kanga will be meaner to me than usual

something about not actually wanting to improve

[mighty valley]

you're better than you were a week ago

[red ferry]

0 * 2

[proper roost]

you guys want to see a big cat

[mighty valley]

if you want to isolate prioritizing the right button, you could put in some dummy time

[proper roost]

https://youtu.be/UXT_J4UhULs

[red ferry]

harrow i like these answers a lot

these are good answers

[proper roost]

the title says "giant cat"

[red ferry]

but

how do i get kanga to not bully me

for saying theyre the right answers

keka

[undone beacon]

Kanga is going to bully you regardless

That is Kanga's role in this ecosystem

[red ferry]

google tudou cat

tudou is chinese for potato

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/zrFit59.png

[red ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dimden-cat-cute-cat-potato-cute-gif-21657785

[strong forum]

hope this helps

[red ferry]

what does this tell me

[strong forum]

cast breakdown

[red ferry]

o

[strong forum]

how often you use which ability

[proper roost]

No joke I was like "I kind of want to resub and bully some tanks when i get home today"

but I saw that log

and I was like actually I'm good

[red ferry]

okay im taunting too much

[proper roost]

the log saved me from wasting my next week god bless

🙏

[mighty valley]

you also seem to have forgotten that you have shield charge

[red ferry]

i need to double thunderclap casts

wait

this isnt even me just pressing the wrong buttons

[proper roost]

I really like this sequence of casts btw

[red ferry]

this is me not pressing enough buttons

period

[strong forum]

yup

[red ferry]

what was your haste

[mighty valley]

many such cases

[strong forum]

has nothing to do with haste

[red ferry]

hmmm

[strong forum]

youre just not pressing shield slam enough

[proper roost]

It's like literally 11 incorrect casts in a row

[strong forum]

youre blindly spamming revenge

when you shouldnt

[proper roost]

okay, maybe like 10 or 9 actually

[red ferry]

okay

maybe revenge shouldnt be on such an

easy to press key

[proper roost]

it's like impressive. it's a wrong button press speedrun

[mighty valley]

stop changing stuff

[proper roost]

any %

and you're winning at it

[mighty valley]

revenge should be easy to press, you'll press it a lot once you've got your prio down

[strong forum]

like waht is this

[red ferry]

idk

[mighty valley]

it's just mentally reminding yourself that if ss is available, press it

[red ferry]

i had rage

[strong forum]

yeah thats plain wrong

[red ferry]

and it was gonna go over

[mighty valley]

if you have rage and ss is available, press ss + ip

[red ferry]

and if i pressed ignore pain

[strong forum]

you literally didnt use shield slam

[red ferry]

it wouldve gone too under

[strong forum]

cuz you didnt generate

you only spent

[proper roost]

he LOVES heroic throw

[strong forum]

you wanna do both

[proper roost]

i don't know why he loves heroic throw

it's crazy

[red ferry]

ok

unbinding heroic throw

[strong forum]

see a difference?

this is my breakdown

[red ferry]

because on lemix when you want to pull stuff on vdh

[strong forum]

LOTS more ignore pains and shield slams

[red ferry]

you press glaive throw

but warrior doesnt pull with weapon throw

[proper roost]

you know what's funny is that if he was playing bear and put moonfire on the same keybind, he would only be playing at like 20% efficiency as opposed to 2%

Ok, first of all, you're wrong even with vdh LMAO

[strong forum]

heroic throw is fine to pull with, but thats only a once per pack

at best

[red ferry]

i see

[strong forum]

you wanna pull with thunderclap and revenge

[red ferry]

how much do you lose by not ever pressing heroic throw ever

can i just unbind it

[strong forum]

you lose an ability to hit a mob at range

which you sometimes have to do

[red ferry]

ok

[strong forum]

so dont just "Unbind"

[proper roost]

you shouldn't pull with glaive toss unless you have to either icant...

you want to gapclose as vdh as well...

[strong forum]

you wanna learn making the correct decisions 😄

[red ferry]

kanga you're really hurting my feelings

im trying to pay attention to what i need to do better

and all i hear is "holy dogshit player"

[proper roost]

forge yourself in the burning irons of hate

[red ferry]

yes

[proper roost]

how r u gonna live through your first entire group flaming you for your pull being wrong

one time I bricked a key because I died in 2 seconds after my first heroic leap charge cds in the first 10s of the key and the healer insta left

[mighty valley]

focus up, lock in. you just gotta pick a thing to remind yourself to work on next run. kanga hazing is just challenge mode

what's the thing you're gonna remember

[red ferry]

uh

press 1 and 2 more often

[coarse bay]

Comparing vdh and warrior wont help, and anything lemix should just be ignored

[proper roost]

mental fortitude is powerful.

[red ferry]

this is 1 and 2

press them more often

[mighty valley]

shield slam is THE button

[coarse bay]

Why are they out of order

[red ferry]

press this less often

[red ferry]

shield slam is closer to the center of the screen

because i want to see it more

[mighty valley]

remember if shield slam is available and you're not pressing it, you're constantly missing chances to reset its cooldown

so that's your one thing

[red ferry]

i wonder if the play is to just

mash 1

endlessly

and then if i try to press something else

itll just press 1 instead anyway

[mighty valley]

is shield slam up (and i'm not pressing cooldowns)? press it

[proper roost]

Ok well, wrong order, but actually yes

Like legit it's not necessarily wrong to just spam press shield slam button

[red ferry]

you know

unironically

[proper roost]

it'll just give you carpal tunnel and also sometimes you want to press revenge

[red ferry]

whats to stop me from macroing shield slam

to every key

[proper roost]

okay, that's kind of endearing in how clueless it is

[red ferry]

i know that theres probably a lot of reasons not to

like a lot

but like

[proper roost]

Because it's a gcd ability and literally doesn't work

[red ferry]

if: shield slam up
then: shield slam

[strong forum]

cuz it simply doesnt work

xd

[red ferry]

otherwise: press thing

oh it doesnt work

[proper roost]

cutenoob moment

[undone beacon]

Macros don't really work with conditionals like that

[red ferry]

oh right

cause if it worked

[mighty valley]

some people macro shield slam into IP to snipe resets, but like. you're not really pressing IP enough anyway

[red ferry]

then you could make like

really op brainless macros

for a lot of classes

yea

[undone beacon]

Thats just one button rotation at that point

[mighty valley]

yeah and instead they just made that a base game feature

[undone beacon]

Big OBR enjoyers here

[red ferry]

one button rotation is like insane dps loss for a lot of classes

but i think frost dk

only loses like 3%

isnt that fucking nuts

what does that say about their spec

[mighty valley]

it loses that if you also press all the CDs that OBR doesn't press at the correct time

which is like

the only thing that matters in fdk

[red ferry]

well yeah

you have to press the things that obr doesnt press

but you still lose the dps anyway if you do that i think and that goes for every class

but fdk loses the least amount of it

[proper roost]

outside of your 1m+ cds, simc's apl for prot warrior is like 5 buttons

what does it say about your ability to action prioritize

[mighty valley]

yeah the base fdk rotation just isn't very many buttons

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

idk

holy paladin was

beacon of light

divine toll

then press the little laser beam

that was basically all i had to do

and i got purple dps parses and blue healer parses

xdd

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

yeah

[proper roost]

That wasn't me being impressed at that.

[red ferry]

i know

it was you being surprised that holy paladin was that easy

[proper roost]

you're so deep in the dunning kruger hole it's impressive.

[red ferry]

i never said i was good

[mighty valley]

you just never submitted yourself to get roasted because you were content

and that's a fine way to live

[red ferry]

guh

[mighty valley]

but yknow, you come here, we're gonna tell you where you can get better

and kanga's gonna say mean shit, i guess that's part of the deal

[red ferry]

ya im gonna press things more and less

[mighty valley]

say the name of the ability

please, once

for me

[red ferry]

shield slam more

[mighty valley]

thank you

[red ferry]

revenge less

way less

lots less

shield slam way more

lots more

[mighty valley]

if you look at nom's breakdown he presses revenge a ton still

but you just need to up your button pressing speed in general

and you get there by

pressing ss whenever you can

[red ferry]

yea

just gotta shield slam harder

[mighty valley]

i wouldn't think too hard about this until you've fixed this one problem but

when you prio shield slam correctly, you're gonna flood with rage again

but pressing IP to get rid of it is gonna be your next problem

one thing at a time

[red ferry]

ok

[proper roost]

I wouldn't really diagnose him with needs to fill more gcds necessarily i cba to look at the log more

but like obviously is just panicking and not paying attention

[mighty valley]

yeah

[proper roost]

Like what is this cast sequence

He had nothing to reflect or magic damage btw

[mighty valley]

and you fix that by picking a single thing to think about

[proper roost]

He just randomly pressed it because he was panicking

[red ferry]

i mean if i say anything to defend myself itll look bad because youll think im trying to say im playing fine but

in my defeeennnseeee

ive never done eco dome

i have no idea what anything does

and im sightreading all my pulls and bosses

[mighty valley]

i mean that's what i've been saying, you're mentally overloaded and so your brain is autopiloting

and you haven't had the practice to have a good autopilot yet

[red ferry]

ya i guess so

[mighty valley]

which is why it could help to try and fix the base rotation stuff on a dummy

or if you're not about that life, it's fine, you'll just need to try and focus up in the dungeons

and get more comf over time

[undone beacon]

Khailby I believe in you

You have the might of the bears behind you

[red ferry]

Smile

[red ferry]

Yea i probably should find some time to do that

Its just kinda boring but some things must be done

[coarse bay]

Dont hit dummies

Hit enemies and let them hit you

The tank way

[proper roost]

i don't believe in you after seeing this log

[coarse bay]

I think a good way to see the dungeons without the added stress of learning tank and dungeon at the same time is to dps in them though

[proper roost]

it's made me lose faith in life i think or something

[mighty valley]

how did you live through any of the whirlwind logs

[red ferry]

It was my SECOND KEY EVER

kanga is so mean

[proper roost]

i mean, whirlwind logs is just funny

that's like so bad it's good

this is just depressing there's 2 buttons to prioritize

[red ferry]

kanga say something nice about me

You cant

[proper roost]

It's possible you buy abiotic factor

[red ferry]

wow ok

[proper roost]

lmao

[red ferry]

:(

[proper roost]

you're a great source of entertainment

[red ferry]

Ok stop saying nice things about me

[proper roost]

don't take that sentence the wrong way

🫡

i have one more good quip though can I drop that one

it's not a nice one

[red ferry]

No

Im growing a spine

no

[proper roost]

It's kinda funny though

[red ferry]

Ur testing if im gonna relent

So no

u may not

[proper roost]

what if i flame the healer in your key

[coarse bay]

Can i hear it please

Khailby close your eyes

[proper roost]

||positive: you made me not want to resub from this log||

:)

[red ferry]

No i really liked the healer

I apologized after boss 2

[proper roost]

oh

[red ferry]

For being slow

[proper roost]

they suck thoguh

[red ferry]

Yea but

They said i was doing good for a +2

So theyre cool

[proper roost]

they forgot they had holy fire until 50 seconds into the key

[red ferry]

yea but they had a cool mog

[proper roost]

Wait

isn't holy supposed to have divine star

or halo or something

[red ferry]

idk u would have to ask wcp

[proper roost]

nah guess it's only if they're using archon

they kinda forgot their hero talent existed

the entire key

[red ferry]

Maybe they dont normally use that build

Or they use one button

[proper roost]

1 min cd on premonition and you're supposed to cast it on cooldown btw

icant

this is like if you pressed avatar once the entire key

[red ferry]

WHAT

i pressed avatar like

23 times

[proper roost]

I'm saying them not using their hero talent

is like not using avatar except once the entire key

[red ferry]

Oh

[proper roost]

What is wrong with your reading comprehension

[red ferry]

Thats bad

But still putting someone else down isnt a kind source of entertainment

So they might b new

[proper roost]

It's alright they have nowhere to go but up

Literally rock bottom gameplay

[red ferry]

Yea

Both of us

[mighty valley]

kanga has high expectations of what players are like in a +2 key in world of warcraft for personal computer

[proper roost]

believe it or not i've seen years of worse play

had to watch classic holy paladins for 5 years

[red ferry]

Why would u willingly subject yourself to classic

[proper roost]

i think the key difference is that those guys did not want to improve though

[red ferry]

All the bosses were designed with old pcs and shit internet in mind

[proper roost]

wanting to improve but still sucking is kind of sadge

[red ferry]

hey

it takes time

[proper roost]

It's been like 1 week why aren't you good yet

That's enough time to be good at the game

[mighty valley]

kanga has kids

"you're a month old and you're still not rolling over?"

"this fuckin crawling log made me lose my will to live"

[red ferry]

kanga does not strike me as the child having typ

[mighty valley]

yeah i was doing a roleplaying exercise

still

[red ferry]

True

[mighty valley]

that's more brutal than anything kanga has said to you

we got a roastmaster over here

[proper roost]

is it??

[red ferry]

Is it

I didnt mean it that way

[undone beacon]

fuckin cooked em dude

[proper roost]

i'm a millennial, we hate children

[red ferry]

Yeah

That

[mighty valley]

kanga: "you're bad at world of warcraft"
khailby: "the government should not allow you to raise children"

[red ferry]

I did not say that

I said kanga doesnt seem like a person who would want children

[mighty valley]

i was there when you said it, it was crazy

[red ferry]

cant believe harrow is oneguying me

Always the ones you never expect

smh…..

[proper roost]

politics for weak people

||when the doctor told me hrt would significantly reduce fertility and if i'd be concerned about it i was like fuck yeah are you kidding me. i've wanted this my whole life||

children suck

[mighty valley]

lmao hell yeah

[proper roost]

They can't even talk, actual skill issue

[red ferry]

||did the doctor warn you about increased meanness that comes with the estrogen||

[proper roost]

sorry to break it to you but i was roasting people in here ages ago 💀

[red ferry]

gulp

[proper roost]

most of them got better

[red ferry]

Gulp

[proper roost]

or they stopped playing tank cuz they weren't cut out for it. Either way, great outcome

[undone beacon]

It’s a Kang or be Kanga’d world o it there

[red ferry]

undertale…

[proper roost]

i do sincerely believe like, how does anyone who have thin skin think they'll get good at tanking keys

people will just be mean to you because they hate you, not because they want you to be better

if you're gonna tilt and give up after someone being mean to you in a key you'll just end up like yogi and never do a 10

[mighty valley]

short of, like, an undiagnosed anxiety disorder, i think "thin skin" is also a solvable problem though

[proper roost]

yeah

by roasting the shit out of them

[red ferry]

Yeah but i can ignore them because i choose not to value what they have to say because my keymates are subhuman

(Joke)

[mighty valley]

i see. your problem is that you value kanga too much to let the jabs slide

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

Yea cause kanga knows how to play

i value tankcord

[proper roost]

I haven't even played retail in 3 years and i played for like 1 and a half season

You don't know that

[red ferry]

oh

You act like you

Know how to play

[proper roost]

I could be extremely washed when I play

[red ferry]

confidence is key i guess

[mighty valley]

i didn't play that much this year either, i have a kid and my house burned down

[proper roost]

I could just prove that everything you're whining about is skill issue and spite play my warrior over the next week for 3.5k

[mighty valley]

but the fundamentals don't really change so

[proper roost]

And like

I kind of really want to but I think it would make you feel even worse

[red ferry]

of course its skill issue

[proper roost]

Which is... kind of funny.... but...

[red ferry]

i just think that maybe i’m

Entitled to some patience

[proper roost]

if i wasn't enjoying osrs so much rn I would consider it

Spite is the best motivator of progress

[mighty valley]

she's just telling you where you're factually not playing correctly, not saying "and therefore your immutable soul isn't cut out for prot warrior"

[red ferry]

I dont have spite

I have no opps

https://tenor.com/view/dog-nose-butterfly-dog-puppy-peaceful-gif-14700589898488542320

Im just a whimsical being

[proper roost]

I think categorically I am your opp

[red ferry]

No we’re friends

[proper roost]

You should feel spite towards and try to improve because I don't believe you'll get better

[red ferry]

kanga wants to be my vegeta

[proper roost]

[red ferry]

But i am the humble goku

I am whimsical and joyous

[proper roost]

No, goku is actually competent and also trains

[mighty valley]

in my social group i've seen genuine sub-grey-parsers, like "you know you can press buttons, right" players become genuinely good over time

[red ferry]

goku is competent

????

[proper roost]

you're this guy i think

[red ferry]

LOL

no im

https://tenor.com/view/destructo-krillin-dragon-ball-gif-14701504

Im this guy

Im whimsical

and silly

[mighty valley]

im a fraud millennial because i've never watched dragon ball

[red ferry]

Tu es un gringo

Que sera sera

[proper roost]

yeah never watched dbz idk

anyways i might install tn idk kinda feeling the spite

within me

[red ferry]

Can we play together

[proper roost]

You're afraid of me

[red ferry]

Exposure therapy

[proper roost]

yeah sure, you can carry my shaman through some keys

[red ferry]

Ok

[coarse bay]

I think khailby just forms a team centered around him

With people from this discord

And see where it goes

Enlist pepega

[proper roost]

we have done like, 5 warrior keys in the past

but people didn't suck ass

[red ferry]

hey i dont want to jump off a bridge

lets not change that

[proper roost]

also I stopped playing my warrior as prot because I wanted to keyge with nimchip

Tragic

[coarse bay]

I dont play my warrior as anything but prot

I wouldnt expect everyone to be warrior

Thatd be lame

[proper roost]

well

as it happens that's typically what happens here

[undone beacon]

5 warrior key or 0 warrior key, thats how it goes

[proper roost]

but also I played fury in raid, so that skewed it a bit also obviously

also fury was very op that season in keys but whatever

[coarse bay]

Ive kinda learned that i hate playing one of my tanks in raid as a dps

It takes like half the season for prot offspec to even be geared somewhat well

[proper roost]

getting one good 2h isn't that hard

especially since you're opening vault in dps anyway

[coarse bay]

Im expected to prioritize dps

[proper roost]

it's way harder to get a shield when offspeccing prot

oh, wait, i misread how you said it, sorry

I thought you were saying the other way around

yeah, it's annoying af to be DPS raid / tank keys

s1 nimchip just said fuck you to his guild and made tank shield pretty early iirc

[red ferry]

why not tank raid

ive been told its easier than keys

[mighty valley]

very few slots, hard to secure one

[red ferry]

Ah

so you just cant raid as a tank?

these days anyway

[coarse bay]

You can

Just harder to find a guild

And a lot of raid tanks are kinda career tanks, theyll like never willingly give up the role or leave

[jagged pier]

thats all i want to do

[mighty valley]

there are so many stories of the raid leader being one tank and their not-very-good best friend being the other

[coarse bay]

I also have fun dpsing in raid so

[jagged pier]

but everytime i dps tanks piss me off because they dont under stand positioning etc etc

[coarse bay]

Ya idk it seems pretty common to spot some bad raid tanks

[proper roost]

raid tanking is also boring as shit and makes your brains melt and makes you a worse player

[coarse bay]

Ill be backup tank next season

[jagged pier]

you ither die a shit tank, or live long enough to become a shit tank yourself

||unless your sense||

[coarse bay]

Tbh the idea of spending that much time raid tanking

Figuring your stuff out in a few pulls then waiting potentially 300+ pulls for the rest of the guild to figure there part out

Just sounds painful

[jagged pier]

i mean thats the exact same as m+

well done u know what your pulling now u have to wasit for a healer and dps comp that can do it

[coarse bay]

Ya and every role, but tanking has kinda low variance in raid

Khailby lmk when you find a raiding guild

[proper roost]

i don't think he has the persistence to do that

he's lost patience with playing pwar after 1 week

[coarse bay]

He’s felt lemix vdh and converted to vdh

[red ferry]

Wrong

[red ferry]

Do they still ask for job applications

Like “where do you work”

“How many sexual partners have you had”

“Where do you live”

“When is your birthday”

“What religious holidays do you celebrate”

[coarse bay]

Ive never applied to have my identity stolen

But a lot of guilds have apps ya

[red ferry]

damn

[coarse bay]

Usually just checking vibes and logs/experience

[red ferry]

I have good vibes

we dont talk about the logs

[coarse bay]

U gotta make sure they do too

[red ferry]

Oh yeah thats true

[coarse bay]

Vetting goes both ways

Lots of cliques and whatnot

[red ferry]

^

Dont want one of these

[coarse bay]

Just join an aotc guild full of dads

[red ferry]

Aotc dad guilds are so chill

“Dudes i built this shelf the other day”

“I didnt even have to drill for it cause they have these new stick on things”

Like hell yeah you did

Congrats on shelf clear

[coarse bay]

See youre ready

I still think u should find some active aotc guild

[red ferry]

yeah

[coarse bay]

Some nice people will probably play with u and teach u the dungeons and stuff

[red ferry]

Ill probably raid aotc for midnight

To farm logs and learn and make good friends

then maybe ill see how mythic goes

[proper roost]

I doubt this but I think it'd be funny to see you enter your too elitist for casual aotc guild arc

[red ferry]

thats not a thing

Who in their right mind thinks they can skip to ce

You need logs

And skill

[jagged pier]

U wont be able to go from aotc too ce

It would be aotc to mid mythic guild to ce guild

And alot of ppl thunk they can go from.nothing to ce guilds

Trust me i see them apply

[proper roost]

Yeah also most people in casual aotc guilds are not going to have any mindset to improve

If you're on class discord and you actually get good at the game, you'll get fed up with your casual aotc guild

Seen it happen over and over over 10 years

anyway, bnet @red ferry

[dusky canopy]

Casual aotc can be chill if most of the group is “retired” CE raiders

One of my friends guilds is like that

[proper roost]

but that requires everyone to be happy just sticking to where they are

if he's already like "well, we'll see what happens with mythic"

Recipe to be disappointed when he realizes none of them actually want to try harder

[coarse bay]

Nobody said u should join a casual ce guild, u should join a casual aotc guild. And i think a lot of aotc/low-mid mythic guilds are more elitist than youd expect lol

Please find one soon

I think hearing about guild drama through you would be another fun thing in life

[proper roost]

oh god so true

[red ferry]

orly

i guess that makes sense

But the mid mythic guild would still get aotc probably

[red ferry]

Err

Drinking my soder

Gimme a second

[proper roost]

??

[red ferry]

I went out

To a sports bar

And ordered a fried potato skins

And brought it back

And i am enjoying

[proper roost]

I'm not home for at least 4h it doesnt matter

[red ferry]

Oh ok

[proper roost]

just dont wuss out

[red ferry]

i wont

[red ferry]

i had my fill of guild drama when i got benched on like 2% on final boss of mythic so someones girlfriend could get ce as a birthday present

i think several people got benched for her and her friends

[proper roost]

god forbid a girl do anything

[red ferry]

I refuse to get jacked up in drama again

[coarse bay]

Idc if youve had your fill of drama

[red ferry]

Women will take like 5 tablets of ibuprofen at 7 in the morning and call it girl breakfast

[coarse bay]

Get some more for us

[raw dawn]

Had a bad guild drama back in Cata still don’t run guilds because of it

[coarse bay]

I love guild tea

Idk there’s lots of good guilds and people, avoiding that aspect of the game over a bad experience is unfortunate

[raw dawn]

Yeah I know there’s far more good than bad but I’m also sporadic and can’t commit since I got a little one at home the late night pugs are only thing letting me experience new raids

[red ferry]

Bro u should join a dad guild

We were just talking about those

They take anyone and its just dudes talking about their day while they kill boss

[mighty valley]

Dad guilds can still have drama

[red ferry]

With one or two guys drunk off their ass for better or worse

[mighty valley]

Don't worry

[red ferry]

no way

[coarse bay]

Ya i bet there’s guilds that would understand an inconsistent schedule, its only aotc anyways

[raw dawn]

Sounds like my type of people

[coarse bay]

Pugs are just that bad

[red ferry]

Yea theres tons of those

[raw dawn]

I’m hoping to be more consistent in midnight but also not setting my bar higher than what I have

[mighty valley]

45 year old ret paladin cracks open their second beer and starts telling the raid all of their Opinions

[coarse bay]

I think pugging is harder than a casual guild

[red ferry]

oh

yeah.

hitler particles were what you called it right

[coarse bay]

Dad guilds have loot drama and stuff too

And the fact that 80% of them are grey parsing

[red ferry]

cant you craft next to mythic gear

for free