protection

[red ferry]

wide dwarf

[cedar rune]

Wait, what?

I’d like to be 5% bigger

My character I mean, my character

[raw dawn]

Any new tips for a Druid switching over to prot warrior? Wanting to main new class

[warm plinth]

Ignore Pain and Ironfur are not the same thing. Both in the sense that IP is not our primary mitigation and you don't ever spam it.

[red ferry]

no way

i just was scrolling through options

adibags in basegame

[proper roost]

No way! poggers in the chat

6 7 bag slots

[red ferry]

is anything allowed to be joyous and whimsical in this world anymore

or must it all be satire and cynicism

[raw dawn]

Got it thanks

[proper roost]

https://youtu.be/0m1fL-5fp30

[red ferry]

wow that is the worst midi i've ever heard

[proper roost]

i've heard worse

[lament matrix]

Hey guys! how good is the trinket Tome of Light's Devotion 730 compared to others, i currently have Band of Ceasless Ire and Astral Antenna both in 717

[cedar rune]

So there is a static “maximum” that ignore pain can be stacked to right? It’s odd that weak aura packs don’t seem to have a clear indicator of like “you’re at the max”. Is that because a single cast will max it out? And then it just starts getting eaten? (I don’t think that’s the case)

I know we operate by the IP at rage over 70 rule, which I think has you end up with plenty of uptime, but in high damage scenarios I imaging there are times where it needs to be prioritized higher, right?

[cedar rune]

I believe the TL;DR is tome excels at ST, while antenna excels at aoe. I tend to use time for raid and antenna for keys

But in terms of a 730 tome vs 717 antenna, you should probably sim it

[jagged gust]

If you're running extremely high keys and you know you need x amount of mitigation to survive a tank buster this starts to come into play, but in general we gen so much rage the rule takes care of IP in most situations, as thane

[cedar rune]

Coool, makes sense, thanks!

[lament matrix]

Alright, thanks!

[round pendant]

Colossus is just better anyway

MT is just mashy no fun

Colossus PUMPS

[red ferry]

give build

smile

[round pendant]

mt just overtuned cause blizzard are obsessed with making the easier options better

[coarse bay]

I think they need to be better at hero spec balancing for all classes. It’s garbage that some are just unplayable in a season

And there are hero specs that still have seen no play

[red ferry]

i have a

very stupid question

what downsides come with deleting my warrior and remaking it on lemix

[coarse bay]

Why would you delete

[red ferry]

name

[coarse bay]

Just use a different name

[red ferry]

name

[coarse bay]

Just wastes the time youve put in already

[red ferry]

anything else though

[coarse bay]

Idk, it holds a lot of your reps and progress, idk if it removes it from your warband or not

[red ferry]

oh.

[coarse bay]

But you arent far enough for it to be that deep i guess

[red ferry]

idk

i just feel like i need to level again

to learn how to play

[coarse bay]

Leveling teaches u new abilities but not how to play

[red ferry]

idk ive just been playing a lot of this vdh on lemix

and it feels good

but idk if thats vdh or lemix

[coarse bay]

Youll only improve by doing content that challenges you

Lemix

[red ferry]

idk maybe this lemix obsession will go away once i buy all the things

[proper roost]

good luck

[red ferry]

is it THAT hard

[coarse bay]

I was tired of lemix within 2 weeks with raids feeling like dailies

But if u like how lemix feels then u might enjoy it more

[red ferry]

i mean ive only played for 2 days

[coarse bay]

Ya if its what you find fun then you should 100% do it

[red ferry]

reminds me of an incremental game

[coarse bay]

Ya it plays like arpg in terms of progression, so it stays super satisfying until you max

[proper roost]

no i'm just wishing you good luck

[round pendant]

levelling doesn't teach you how to play

and lemix won't teach you anything either

[red ferry]

only 2 colossus builds..

[jade hazel]

thane owns

[red ferry]

colossus teaches fundamentals

or something.

i dunno, nom said it was a good idea

@strong forum like this? or do i need to switch passive ravager to active

[coarse bay]

Passive ravager seems to proc more often but regular would give you more control of when you want the rage/aggro generation at the cost of another button to press

[jade hazel]

I enjoy active rav and spear

[coarse bay]

Ya you can choose those based on preference

Use what u like

[jade hazel]

I enjoy spear quite a bit, glad it’s getting cool changes

[coarse bay]

Ya spear’s cool

[novel temple]

the only part of colossus i don't like is how the block talent is bugged

we're not actually blocking more

[red ferry]

hm

hmmm

should i have more damage

[cedar rune]

Is this retail?

[red ferry]

yes

[cedar rune]

Whole group seems like they’re doing season 2 damage

[red ferry]

maybe im undergeared

idk

[cedar rune]

Oh well, yeah

[red ferry]

is the damage good enough for the gear level

[cedar rune]

I mean, I have no clue… would be hard for anyone else to know

[red ferry]

oh

[cedar rune]

The maths are too math

Gear is very far behind where we’re at now

So hard to judge

[restive oak]

i mean thats season 2 gear

so makes sense

[red ferry]

so i did season 2 damage

in season 2 gear

thats good

[cedar rune]

Yeah

[red ferry]

this is my build

[cedar rune]

In season 3

[red ferry]

it was a +3

i am washed

[cedar rune]

Did you time the key?

[red ferry]

yes

[cedar rune]

Then you did enough damage

[red ferry]

oh dude

nobody told me about this

[coarse bay]

Btw there’s a valorstone vendor next to m+ portal for champ gear boxes

[red ferry]

:icant:

thank you cammy

[jade hazel]

yeah can pretty much buy yourself 680 set from vendors

and delve trinkets

also can just buy gear off ah

[red ferry]

literally every piece i already have 680

the ONLY pieces i already have 680

[red ferry]

i wanna go do gathering

i dont think i can pay fore the gear as is

[coarse bay]

I wouldnt have mentioned it mostly because its more of an alt thing

Costly in valorstones and idk how many a new player has

[red ferry]

2000

that was it

[coarse bay]

Ya id personally be hesitant on spending if i had limited valorstones, cause youll still need those to upgrade your gear

But i also dont send upgrades on anything less than 3/6 from 10s if i do an alt

[red ferry]

hey

professions might still be profitable

@coarse bay look at that

[tribal wharf]

professions are always profitable if gold is the goal

potions used to be huge money, and enchanting sort of

[red ferry]

i have been told that professions dont make money unless its week 1

[tribal wharf]

potions is good money, people will always need potion

i made a ton of money off late wrath potion making, and early in wrath mining and engineer to suck up mote clouds

[red ferry]

wasnt that a long time ago

before bots

[tribal wharf]

yes, i still made tons of gold on it for months i would buy wrath lotus for 5 10 15 gold, make it into a 30+gold flask

other parts and flask to make it would require like, 1 gold 18 silver

and i can just make it anywhere right at the auction sell instantly, sell instantly

it was that and the fire nodes from wrath engineer those fire things use to sell for well over 25 gold each

[round pendant]

Very little money to be made this late in the expac, you'll be spending so much time doing boring shit for pennies

week 1 it's big money tho

[red ferry]

not like theres anything in the game that gives more than pennies right now yep

unless you find a raid selling guild

but have fun splitting 100k gold among like 10 people

[round pendant]

well, first month of an expansion more like, not just week 1

[coarse bay]

You can probably make some money doing housing stuff with professions, whatever that is

[round pendant]

and the game gets more expensive with upkeep

I earned like 1m early on in DF and it lasted all expac

this expac I had to buy like 2 tokens

[tribal wharf]

there is tons of chances to make money is what im saying

[red ferry]

*in wrath

[tribal wharf]

i remember i did the dragonflight soup thingy and many times i would get some epic BOE thing i could sell

i got all kinds of those and bought and sold them for like 100k

[coarse bay]

You CAN make gold with professions. A gathering profession might make you 10k an hour

If thats worth it to you

Then so be it lol

[red ferry]

hmm

whatever pays for the crafted gear i guess

[coarse bay]

A token is far less time for far more

[red ferry]

refuse on principle

[round pendant]

Get in a guild with people who can craft gear then

or you're gonna be robbed by trade chat

[red ferry]

hmmm

[round pendant]

and be broke forever

[red ferry]

sounds like i should be robbing other people

[tribal wharf]

i just remember back in bfa, i wanted to have bis for EP, so i had to grind out some 4000 ores or somethin

spent about legit a week j ust flying around bfa, see ore, go mine it

wasnt even close to how many i needed

[round pendant]

Buying tokens feels bad but it feels better than sitting in trade chat for 12 hours to sell crafts or doing gathering

The game is intentionally designed to incentivise you to buy tokens now though

[red ferry]

which is exactly why you refuse on principle

smilew

[round pendant]

Resources plummet over the course of the expac, gathering g/hr crashes through the floor

crafting gets insane competition so you have to sit in trade chat all day every day for sales

doing the actual engaging content (m+ and raids) drains your cash like crazy with consumables and repairs

[red ferry]

yeah

Thats why i need cash

world of warcraft is 15$ a month and it will not be more

[round pendant]

It's part of why I've quit

I only played so much because it's an easy game to play with my friends

[tribal wharf]

i still say they should just hotfix wood chopping into wow and tie it to housing before the launch, and then the other use for it can also be, creates, wood and metal staffs, for weapons of most kinds that would need it, staff bow, 1h/2mace axe swords, wands,

[red ferry]

Friends

[tribal wharf]

and then the more wood you collect you can use it for free to build your house

[round pendant]

but it hasn't really felt like it was worth the monthly fee + expac cost (especially now that that's yearly) for ages

[tribal wharf]

but its the clearly slower way to do it

[red ferry]

I thought xpac cost was 2 years

[round pendant]

No they're upping the frequency of expansions starting with TWW

it's gonna be like 1.5 years or something

[red ferry]

I mean its better than dead content i guess

[round pendant]

Yeah but idk

I feel like I get fuck all for the money at this point

and they refuse to bring back 10 man Mythic raid

😔

[red ferry]

Yeah but

The biggest issue

Is theres nothing else to play

Keka

[round pendant]

idk I'm kinda feeling this cause I put like 250 hours into the poe 1 league this league and it felt good

[red ferry]

poe after mirrors of kalandra?

Hmm

I mean maybe if you have friends

[round pendant]

meanwhile wow needs tokens (or 10s of hours of my life to farm gold) just to play m+ with my friends

[tribal wharf]

for me its doom, i played a very green doom wad, the lost magic

it has wizards

[red ferry]

my house wad

[round pendant]

like I prob put 350gbp into wow over the last 3 years

[red ferry]

Gbp?

[round pendant]

britbong money

I don't have the symbol on my keyboard

[red ferry]

oh

₽

£

€

[round pendant]

Now I don't really regret it cause objectively it's not a lot of money for 3 (not exactly cause there's dead months) years of gameplay with my buds

[red ferry]

Ya

[round pendant]

but when it starts feeling like I have to buy tokens too (and they're making the game worse, but we won't go into that) and there's all these other games that I can put just as much time into for a 10th of the cost

[tribal wharf]

the thing for me is doom is perfect game

[round pendant]

It feels good not having a subscription ngl

[red ferry]

yeah but like

then ur options are like

[tribal wharf]

there is demons from the bible from hell, and you have a gun, and you shoot them and if you dont they block your path and you cant leave

[red ferry]

Arpgs and

Thats it

[red ferry]

Is the bible from hell scarier than the bible

[tribal wharf]

they appear to be quite literal bibical demons

[red ferry]

Eyeball demob

Demogorgon or somethting

[round pendant]

idk yeah there's not a lot of games atm but

[tribal wharf]

its just, you vs the demons

[round pendant]

the 200 hours I got out of poe was good and I don't feel pressured to keep playing it rn because I don't have a sub running

My friends won't go back to tarkov which sucks

[red ferry]

isnt that game

Really bad

[round pendant]

even though that game is cheeks now

[red ferry]

Like only the eu mind can tolerate it

its like csgo

[round pendant]

It used to be good

[coarse bay]

Ive been playing some eft casually lately

[red ferry]

Eft

?

[coarse bay]

Tarkov

[round pendant]

But I mean I'll do almost anything to hang out with my friends

[red ferry]

Have your friends fallen for the friendslop train yet

[round pendant]

idk what that is

[tribal wharf]

its doom for me, the demons are everywhere, we have to stop them

[round pendant]

I can only play so much doom before I'm over it

[tribal wharf]

too easy

[round pendant]

also hot take 2016 doom sucks

[tribal wharf]

or what

[red ferry]

Uhh

Lethal compant

Peak

Repo

Etc

[tribal wharf]

u gotta try the doom player wads

[round pendant]

oh I played a bit of lethal company with one friend

none of the others

[tribal wharf]

custom maps, so if its too hard, you can change the map set

[red ferry]

Friendslop = low quality fast made indie game that has its whole gameplay loop around basically you making your own fun with friends

[round pendant]

I mean it's mainly cause it's pve and not some kinda number-go-up game to activate my dopamine receptors

[red ferry]

Number go up

Try antimatter dimensions

[round pendant]

I'm really bad at playing sp games

[tribal wharf]

if what you are saying is its not challenging enough there is a multitude of ways you can make it exciting

[round pendant]

I just lose interest, close the game and never play it again for years

[round pendant]

pve can only be so exciting

[red ferry]

I was big into the final fantas remake they made but my computer cant rin it

[tribal wharf]

you must not have ever done a map with 800 monsters or 1200 without cheats lol

[red ferry]

When I upgrade my pc ill play oit

[round pendant]

wow is like the only pve game where I can stay engaged for long

because it's mostly about improving and playing with friends

if I'm playing alone it has to be pvp or some comfy jrpg or something

there's exceptions ofc

[round pendant]

I bought an oled monitor so I'm gonna try to get back into Rebirth when that arrives

that's my excuse to open it up again lmao

[novel temple]

yo what. i could actually gear my alts up to do stuff

[crystal depot]

ok ladies and gents i got a weird one for ya, what would cause me to lose aggro on all mobs in the middle of a big pull?

it was like a shaman cast earth ele but everything just dropped aggro on me

and went for the DPS

and no, it wasnt BoP, no pallies in the party lol

[pallid quiver]

z-axis sometimes

you step on a pebble wrong, the game loses its shit sometimes

[atomic plank]

Hey is it common to run low on rage in low keys and low gear? For some reason I am rage starved and cannot get my shield block above 75% for my overall.

[jade hazel]

Possible person was just doing an insane amount of damage and took threat away

[pallid quiver]

The large majority of rage gen is not tied to stats at all, so it's generally you oversending on IP when there's no need to

[jade hazel]

I have to be careful filling my fault doing 10s on my mage cause I’ll get threat most of the time because I’m so overgeared to the tank

[pallid quiver]

More important for Shield Block is the number of blocked hits, as well; as long as you're blocking as close to 100% of blockable hits as possible, that's fine

[pallid quiver]

If you pull aggro in the middle of a pull that's gone on for a while, the tank needs to press buttons and not just laze out halfway through the pull.

[jade hazel]

It’s pretty immediate lol

[pallid quiver]

Tanks can struggle in the earlier sections of a pull with overgeared DPS or just even classes with heavy burst profiles, but once it's gone on for long enough

[jade hazel]

I’m just not a degen and I’ll wait for them to get a lot more threat than usual. But in combust or icy veins dropping everything at 728 I’m taking threat from a 710ish tank lmao

[atomic plank]

Here is my log. I just feel sometimes I have dead globals and I am not pressing anything. I am use to prot pally where my shield uptime is 99%.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RaBGMb41Y7JVjyvC?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, your average tank players are a different kind of degen and just refuse to press buttons and just shout tank ego things. That's few of the people who ever come here, since the people who opt to come here, like, care enough to think about improving

And I'll look through in a sec here, Bash

[raw dawn]

So basically it’s shield slam and revenge prio and then IP filler? With thunder clap and a few others sprinkled in for the rotation?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it looks like you're heavily overprioritizing IP, meaning that you're losing out on a lot of rage gen over time (Revenge costs less rage than IP, while giving resets for Shield Slam, making you spend more globals on generating rage that you can then spend on IP; overprioritizing in the moment actually gives you less IP overtime in a lot of cases, especially since you also get IP from things like Outburst)

As an example of the rage difference, and being lenient in your favor, you managed to get about 642 rage per minute

I say lenient since I only scaled your rage gained as rounded to 23.5 minutes instead of the almost 24 mins your key was.

On a random key I picked at a close level from earlier in the season, I managed around 751 rage per minute; a whole hundred extra rage per minute by virtue of properly managing rage, giving me more chances to gain rage

[pallid quiver]

Base rotation is always SS > TC > Revenge for Thane's purposes

If playing Colo right now, you can bump up Revenge sometimes in large enough AOE, though I'm not sure how much that'll be the same with tuning in Midnight

revenge hits like a noodle if Thane and serves as a way for you to get back to pressing your generators faster so you can maximize your rage generation, so you can spend more rage on your spenders

If using Execute cleave talents, Execute stonks also go up whenever you can clip something ofc

[pallid quiver]

@atomic plank As a result of the overprio, you end up casting less Shield Block raw than you should. Generally with good play, it ends up somewhere around 5-something CPM depending on pace through the dungeon as part of your duties to managing shield block (if using Shield Charge on CD properly and everything, it covers other ends of managing shield block), though you're currently around 4.0 CPM off this one log

[warm plinth]

Wasting rage, not pressing cds on cd, and while not related to your concern, running bloodborne over shield spec is just wrong

[pallid quiver]

To give an idea how much it's also costing you, you can pretty comfortably get to around 15-ish? CPM on Shield Slams through the course of a dungeon when managing your rage properly and resetting with revenge, and you're currently at only 10.6 CPM

So that like 4 and a half shield slams worth of rage every minute you're losing out on

Like Ghash the skeleton said as well, making sure your CDs are being fully sent on CD also helps a lot, but it's close enough for the moment that I'd focus on your IP expenditure for the moment as your improvement goal

[red ferry]

why do these guys keep making posts if its not profitable

its weird to me

[raw dawn]

Is thane still best M+ spec?

[atomic plank]

Thank you! I just started playing Warrior this afternoon. I will work on it. For some reason I thought IP > Shield Block, therefore I prioritized IP after SS and TC.

[red ferry]

yes

[raw dawn]

Awesome thank you

[red ferry]

no way

its the man of steel

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, a lot of people hype of IP so much so I don't blame you for it, but our primary mit (The equivalent of Death Strike/Shield of the Righteous/Ironfur/etc) is Shield Block, with IP being a supplement to it (like WoG supplements P Pala, or Frenzied Regen on bear)

It is important, and there's times to actually send on it and break the rules, but those are very specific situations where your options are limited

[atomic plank]

Thank you so much, you’ve been a great help!

[lime plaza]

How did this Proxy Strike do so much damage? It hit me for 90% of my hp. Usually it hits for ~30-40. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nNfc6RXrtL9gxPD7?fight=last&type=deaths&death=1

[pallid quiver]

so those were the only defensives you had up when the proxy strike hit you

proxy strike hits real hard without any other defensives, whether externals, or something like spell reflect or demo, so this isn't too big of a surprise

I'm going to wager the difference is that in comparison to earlier key levels from what I can see, you've had lesser absorbs up; I didn't check to see if they're absorbs from healer support, or if the lower damage overall meant you had more IP buffer up, but you only absorbed like 450k from that proxy strike in that log, while in others you had much more damage absorbed on proxy strike hits

Basically, you're going to want to be a lot more careful with proxy strike as you go up, because it scales real good with key level, and the other damage being up means you have much less passive resources to help you weather the hit

If you're pugging these levels, as well, it can also help your survival as a future heads up that hard light baton, the other thing that can hurt a lot, should be able to be purged, so if you bring a class with a purge along, it will reduce the damage in the pulls on you by a notable amount

@lime plaza Basically, the key level at this point is able to show you that proxy strike actually has been hitting roughly this hard overall; it was just easier to ignore because the rest of the damage present was also lower and let you kinda coast by a bit easier

[lime plaza]

time to get get gud

ahah - understood - ty

[sinful copper]

i need someone's log review please. what is pulling the side packs first in the 2nd pull of this dawn?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yXgD8v74xzQLZ3Gd?fight=last&pull=2&view=events&hostility=1&start=2031465&end=2034466

I have no clue. The shadowmages on the side start casting at 1:35 without anyone hitting them... it shoots the healer but thats just healer threat first since no one hit them. but what is aggroing them to begin with?

[lime plaza]

So - from what I know - is if you tickle them with ANY damage - they pull

and taunt shout also pulls them from long way off

[sinful copper]

yeah but i didnt taunt shout them.... i think

but like why doesn't it show who gets threat on them first?

[arctic marten]

Sortie, the Holy Paladin, is pulling the side packs.

[sinful copper]

with what? i cant see it in the log

like i mentioned, sortie is getting aggro first and cast on, but that's because theyre a healer and no one is hitting them so healer threat is higher than everyone else

if anyone sees what is pulling them and can show me in the log, that would be great

[coarse bay]

I did my darndest looking for you, can't find a reason, probably a DB thing. they first started casting at 1:32.518, with no damage taken until 1:47. All I can suggest is don't tank that pack close to the front of the boat, try to get them to come to you a little bit towards the middle.

[round pendant]

It's the Paladin

Something Paladins specifically do, pulls random shit on that pull and you get bolted for the rest of the dungeon

afaik it's consecration z-axis shenanigans

or divine toll

can also get fucked on priory in some spots by it

[proper roost]

we love divine toll being a son of a bitch

[coarse bay]

Tbf log shows no instance of damage actually engaging the mages

[round pendant]

It's probably because those extra mobs are buggy as hell and don't work properly

[distant thicket]

https://i.imgur.com/cFJ4OR8.jpeg its up woooooooo

[red ferry]

what is up

[dusky canopy]

Hidden artifact appearance from legion

[sinful copper]

Yeah I have no idea how either.... Lol. Logs show nothing. No heal to friendly NPCs and no damage to anything either. Not even consecration damage pulling it. We're just baffled. How can u tell it's the pally doing it tho if nothing shows it?

[red ferry]

oh

i have no idea how artifacts work

i have like several appearances on a class ive never pl;ayed

[jagged gust]

Man was I sad rolling Lemix monk and all their basic appearances looked like leveling greens

[red ferry]

like what

and anyway how would lemix make getting certain hiddens easier

some are just rng right

[jagged gust]

Mostly just do x amount of y, dungeons/raids/player kills etc

[red ferry]

player kills ones are gonezo

[jagged gust]

Ah, was never one for joining a PK group, didn't bother farming those regardless hah

[red ferry]

they did not

still on daily lockouts

tired cat

[coarse bay]

It targeted pally first, but if you look around the time they started casting there isn’t an ability cast that would pull them

Closest would be warlock’s cataclysm ig, but it didnt damage them

Just a bad dungeon

Best thing you can do is like i said and try to gather it more towards the middle of the boat, and even then sometimes they get pulled.

[red ferry]

i want to swap ignore pain and shield block

but i feel like itll make it harder to dump rage

or i could just put shield block or ignore pain on shift E

i think my biggest 2 issues are rage management and defensive management

[coarse bay]

You hit ignore pain a lot more, and being off gcd it will be pressed at the same time as rotational buttons

[red ferry]

yeah but so is shield block

3 just feels hard to press

[coarse bay]

Idk if id do shield block on a shift modifier from ignore pain, u might accidentally hit the wrong one at any given time

[jagged gust]

shift mods on ogcd? sounds troublesome

[red ferry]

urgh

idk

i feel like i should press shield block way more often

[mighty valley]

is 3 hard to press for you? it's just moving middle finger a little from movement

but yeah, shield block needs to be something you can comfortably press alongside other buttons

[red ferry]

3 means no W

[mighty valley]

while IP needs to be something you can comfortably press alongside other buttons REALLY FREQUENTLY

[neat dune]

MWU/MWD for IP and SB

[red ferry]

that would work if my mouse wheel worked

xd

[neat dune]

i guess you are due for an early xmass present kekw

[red ferry]

do they still make the Scimitar

[neat dune]

elite? think so

[red ferry]

o hey

they do

yeah i just realized i shouldve googled it lol

oooooh

is this the new azerite neck / visions cloak

[jagged gust]

yeppers, goes up to 730

[red ferry]

does it do fun gimmicky stuff

like the neck and cloak

[jagged gust]

pretty useless for prot but good dps for fury

[red ferry]

i am one of few people who likes the gimmicky stuff wow does

[red ferry]

oh do we have a better cape

wtf

[jagged gust]

prot it gives you a free IP every minute

[red ferry]

oh

that sucks

[jagged gust]

for DPS it's like +5% damage

[red ferry]

what about this thing

[jagged gust]

thats from S1

[red ferry]

did s2 have one

cause the cloak is s3

and the ring is s1

what was s2

[jagged gust]

eventually you got the belt you already have

So Ring > Belt > Cloak

[red ferry]

ah

well dang

[jagged gust]

DISC or w/e

[red ferry]

i was looking forward to some good gimmick gear

[jagged gust]

that ring was pretty awesome tbf

you could do heroic raid with zero healers if everyone had specific gems

[red ferry]

oh

so gear is only for tdps

i see

[jagged gust]

tdps?

[red ferry]

how dare the game not provide me with a system that allows me to blame something other than myself when i suck

[red ferry]

tank dps

same as hdps is healer dps

[jagged gust]

never heard those before, but for the most part yes, gear is more like the cherry on top of the survival cake

[red ferry]

guh

[jagged gust]

with a max shield you can clear a +10 naked

[red ferry]

oh

[jagged gust]

Just uh, pull small

[red ferry]

is shield the most important

thing

okay i should probably get one then

[jagged gust]

by several orders of magnitude

[red ferry]

okay

so then this should be better than it is

where can i get that

[jagged gust]

crafting would be easiest

[red ferry]

whats crafted shield level

[jagged gust]

3 below max, so 727

[red ferry]

i WISH

[jagged gust]

crafting a shield shouldn't cost more than 5-10k

[red ferry]

how much do weeklies give

[jagged gust]

couldn't tell ya, i dont do them

[red ferry]

guh

you buy tokens huh

[jagged gust]

there is one that if you dont do it, the reward stacks, so after a month or two it'll hand out like 20k gold

nah, I told you a while back

[red ferry]

i forgot

i forget a lot of things

[jagged gust]

do mining/herb first week of xpac, you make 2-300k gold an hour

[red ferry]

oh right

[jagged gust]

farm for a week or two and forget for the next year

[red ferry]

it must be hard to beat the gathering bots and AH undercutting bots

[jagged gust]

nah they work in your favour

artificially driving prices up

because again, beginning of xpac there's a mat deficit and everyone is trying to max level to get ahead of the next crafter

[red ferry]

yeah but your herbs could be 300k per herb and it wouldnt matter if someone always buys stuff before you

[red ferry]

which makes no sense to me

because it doesnt really make crafters money

theyre all fighting each other

so nobody ends up making anything

[jagged gust]

at the beginning of an xpac it does

[red ferry]

yeah but even if theres 500 people for every 250 crafters

thats pretty rough

[jagged gust]

not when you charge 10-20k per craft

[red ferry]

guy next to you says he'll do it for 9-19

[jagged gust]

people will literally just sit in main city and spam macros for hours on end while watching netflix

yep thats why macros

[red ferry]

gotta update your macros

[jagged gust]

whoever hits their macro first gets the sale

[red ferry]

macros that read chat and automatically updates price seem

rough

[jagged gust]

yeah, goblins are insane

too much work and it's how they play the game

[red ferry]

yeah but theyll never touch CE

fuggn business majors

[jagged gust]

you make a few million a week you just buy it

[red ferry]

"you see, i studied business very hard because business is a very hard field"

and then its like

"profit = income - expenses"

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[red ferry]

yeah

[jagged gust]

Being a business major is hard, they make you do all these stupid philosophy courses trying to teach you some silly concept called "morality" whatever that is

[round pendant]

Because it happened almost every time I ran that dungeon with my friend on his hpal alt

[coarse bay]

Ip should be hit significantly more often

[red ferry]

IP uptime more important than shield block uptime?

maybe i should track it

fixed

[round pendant]

Don't track IP at all

[red ferry]

why

[round pendant]

Because when you press it never changes based on any condition, and you never press it just to keep it up

[red ferry]

oh oik

it is rough when it isnt up though

and it doesnt have 100% uptime for me yet

probably a haste thing like shield block

[round pendant]

You press it when above 70 rage, no more no less

[red ferry]

without weakauras its hard to tell

i can only guesstimate how much rage i have

the bar helps though

[round pendant]

Well stop shooting yourself in the foot and get a number somewhere to look at

Cause pressing it based on whether it's up or not is just bad

[red ferry]

hm

is that possible without addons

[round pendant]

Idk I've not used the default ui in 20 years

[red ferry]

have fun using it in 3 months

smile

[round pendant]

I'm not playing

[red ferry]

Damn

[round pendant]

Shield Block is your #1 priority btw

[red ferry]

yeah

[round pendant]

IP is just rage spender with a slight passive benefit

[red ferry]

Hard to find good puttons to put it on

I could put it on G

And demolish on 3

But then demolish on cd would be rough

[jagged gust]

funny, I put demolish on g

[red ferry]

I also have demolish on g

Its rough to press

Thats why its on g

Because its 45 second cooldown

[round pendant]

I have demolish on Q and SB on F

[red ferry]

Q is charge

Shift q is avatar

[jagged gust]

I have basically everything that isn't in my rotation on my 3 button mouse

aside from kick and SW

[round pendant]

But yeah it's kinda weird having a button that you press and all you see is your rage going down (ip) because you don't track it

But you're better off not tracking it so you don't feel like you have to keep it up

When I tracked ip I found myself pressing it more than I had to

[jagged gust]

idk how colo is gonna play next xpac, but uh I'd still track the timer for it personally

[red ferry]

What timer

[jagged gust]

IP will expire after 12s

[red ferry]

oh

Ip

Idk he said no

[jagged gust]

Eh, sometimes as colo you wouldn't press IP for 20 seconds straight

and while best practice is still do rotation and let it drop

its nice to know when it drops

because suddenly your HP bar starts moving again, very scary

[cerulean tusk]

Just do low keys, HP bar dont move either way

[red ferry]

erm

what if i suck…

Actually speaking of keys what happened to keystone hero

Is that a thing still

[cerulean tusk]

No idea

I got it week 1 if it was

[round pendant]

This only really happens if you're going to be taking enough fat damage that you can't maintain it anyway tbh

And at that point you should have used a defensive

[jagged gust]

As colo? Nah that shit would just drop naturally in S1/2

[round pendant]

I guess

I don't really remember tbh

[red ferry]

I play colo

Whats different about ip

[red ferry]

for reference this is because its better for learning fundamental warrior gameplay

[jagged gust]

Less rage gen, and the rage you do gen gets dumped into Revenge instead of IP for the most part

so naturally lower IP uptime

[round pendant]

I just pressed ip over revenge a bit more if it was a dangerous pack

But I still don't really remember ever thinking about it

Spec kinda plays itself

[jagged gust]

Like here's IP uptime on an average boss fight from my former rank 1 ToP

ST/low target count was when it was an issue

[round pendant]

Yeah that's true

[mighty valley]

yeah it's 2500 rating

which is roughly all 10s timed

with wiggle room

but 10s also gives you portals and max rewards so a lot of non-tryhards stop there

tryhard (non-derogatory edition)

[coarse bay]

Tracking ip is fine, I do and will, but the information shouldnt change how you play for the most part. If you’re having trouble with tracking too much then you probably shouldnt

I also still think that using some weakauras until midnight is fine. The ingame cd manager has updates in beta and more will come, it’ll be able to do a lot more than the current live build and will do most of what is actually needed from weakaura packs

[red ferry]

Like track rage bar with numbers?

And flash above a certain percent?

[coarse bay]

Not flashing, they arent going to add anything that does thinking for you

But resource bars are in beta now

And addons will allow further visual customization to cd manager

So you can get it to look pretty much like weakaura packs

[red ferry]

Hm

@strong forum How much of your ui has been recreateable on beta

I know he uses a bunch of addons

So

[coarse bay]

Ive already seen some ui’s that look almost the same as elvui with weakauras in beta

[red ferry]

isnt elvui nuked though

[strong forum]

i aint done shit with UI for beta

ill wait for prepatch and real addons

[round pendant]

You don't want to use 20 different bespoke vibe coded add-ons?

For the same thing we already had but way worse?

You just don't see the vision and how this will definitely make the game better

[coarse bay]

Elvui will be around still, but ive seen ui’s with similar looks without it

[red ferry]

idk

I just cant find a ui that tracks all the things i need

That wont get nuked with midnight

[coarse bay]

I think youre overdoing it and trying to track too much

Especially considering most packs track too much

[red ferry]

Rage tracking is hard

[coarse bay]

You have the bar that shows it, there isnt anything more than that

Im sure they exist but i havent seen or used any weakauras that glow or anything above a certain threshold. It’d be easy to make but very unnecessary

You’ll be able to get a bar that works like the regular weakauras though so feel free to get a rage bar

[red ferry]

Numbers

[coarse bay]

Bar get full, unfull it

But you can have a number too ya

[red ferry]

Not in base ui

Saaadge

[coarse bay]

The current base ui is bad, but you will be able to when they eventually push the updates

[red ferry]

3 months stuck on +10s

[coarse bay]

What u mean

[red ferry]

Im getting skill gated

Filtered by the game

And i want to blame my ui for that

[round pendant]

Have you even done m+?

Haven't you only recently done the campaign

[proper roost]

💀

[coarse bay]

It might be hard at this point of the season cuz dead, but my recommendation would be a guild or group of people willing to learn with you or teach you the ropes

I think a ton of casual players play entire expansions, maybe look for an aotc guild still going

[mighty valley]

even when there's a number on there my brain honestly doesn't register it at this point

you just get enough practice and you know the vibe of when to press IP

[red ferry]

Yeah but only a +6 at most so far

cant ever tell when im throwing vs my team is throwing

[round pendant]

It's mostly always the team at those levels

as long as you're pulling sane packs

[red ferry]

Yea

[proper roost]

I mean the thing is most of your rage comes from active buttons

so it's like, weird to stress about it

if you press shield slam surprise you get big rage

[red ferry]

Yea but i dont ever feel balanced

Ive either overcapped 400 rage

Or im sitting at 0 rage

[coarse bay]

Then ip needs to be on a more comfortable button to hit at the same time as other buttons

Spending rage on ip needs to be like a separate thing in your head, get it to just be muscle memory

[red ferry]

I could macro ip to buttons that generate more rage than ip costs

[coarse bay]

Thats bad manners

Thats how you starve yourself

[red ferry]

Wdym

[coarse bay]

U dont macro ip because u need to be sure to always have rage for shield block

Theres only like 2 acceptable macros, intervene on charge and shield slam on ip

[mighty valley]

also like. which buttons are those

that are generating more than an IP costs

[red ferry]

None

Probably

I just SUCK

i need to stop sucking

[round pendant]

stop expecting to be good in like 2 days

[proper roost]

🤨

[red ferry]

I was good once :majj:

[mighty valley]

you just need to breathe, then play the game some more

you were good at a different class in a different role

[proper roost]

if you can't grasp basic builder/spender after 2 years of not playing you were never good

[round pendant]

rage above 70 press ip
ss > all
don't press rage spenders if you'll drop below like 30 rage

shrimple

[red ferry]

hmm

If u were to look at the small rage bar under your character

The resource tracker thing

Not the one under the ui element

What bar fullness would be 70

[coarse bay]

70%

[red ferry]

Ill sharpie on my screen

[round pendant]

Do yourself a favour

and just get a rage bar

[coarse bay]

It isnt like an exact math to do it at 70

[red ferry]

those are weakauras

[round pendant]

you'll have it with the default UI in midnight anyway

[coarse bay]

Agreed

[round pendant]

so

install WA

[red ferry]

WITH the numbers?

[round pendant]

uninstall it when midnight comes out

[red ferry]

Like

70

On the bar

[round pendant]

yes afaik

[coarse bay]

You can have numbers but u dont need them

[red ferry]

hmmm

[red ferry]

wait

Was shadowlands only 2 years ago

[round pendant]

the whole point is just press IP to avoid capping rage, so you don't waste rage when you use a generator

[red ferry]

wtf

[mighty valley]

do you find visual estimation to be hard in your every day life

[red ferry]

yes

[mighty valley]

like, is it tough to say "that's about two thirds full"

[red ferry]

yes

[coarse bay]

When bar almost full, unfull it

You’re overthinking one of the simplest classes

[red ferry]

Thats why when i’m in a lab

I use a graduated cylinder

because it has numbers

[round pendant]

Honestly just play the spec more but keep those 3 things in mind

if you're rage starving you're pressing IP/Revenge too much

if you're rage capping you're not pressing IP enough

[red ferry]

Hmm

i think it would be fine if i never had to press shield block also

Throwing in shield block uptime management is rough

[round pendant]

wdym you press sb like once every 10+ seconds

[coarse bay]

Its really only the 2 things to track, rage and shield block

[round pendant]

if the sb bar is low, press it

or just press it on cd, but not if you're right at the end of a pack

[red ferry]

What

I have to press it every 8 seconds

It lasts 8 seconds

[proper roost]

i think if you whined less and just ran shitty M2 keys more you would get better eventually

[coarse bay]

U use the talent that extends it that i told u

[proper roost]

[coarse bay]

Every shield slam adds a second

[red ferry]

no the wowhead guide says thats

Bad

Or something

[round pendant]

lol

[mighty valley]

no it doesn't

[red ferry]

Its not in the guide

[coarse bay]

I told u to swap until 21k haste

[round pendant]

Use Heavy Repercussions until you have 21k haste

[mighty valley]

it's assuming good season 3 gear

[red ferry]

okay

[mighty valley]

I TOLD YOU THIS

[red ferry]

I will ask nom

To put that on

[round pendant]

no

[red ferry]

The website later

When i see him

[coarse bay]

Lmao

[round pendant]

don't you dare ping nome over this

[red ferry]

Why would i ping him

Ill see him layer

And tell him

[proper roost]

ping nome over this

[coarse bay]

Im pretty sure its there

Somewhere

[round pendant]

use HR son

[coarse bay]

Hr will slow u down a little too

Maybe itll help

[red ferry]

hmm

[coarse bay]

Talent builds on guides dont take into account your gear and stats, theyre simply recommended builds

[red ferry]

i see

I just like nuance

[mighty valley]

also you know that you can press SB again and the duration stacks on top of what's left, yeah?

[red ferry]

Yeah

[coarse bay]

And tbf i think this is like the only thing this season across all classes like it

[mighty valley]

ok cool. it's pretty safe to dump both charges kinda early in the pull when you're flooding rage from pressing all your CDs

and then especially with heavy rep it'll stay up a long time

just don't let sb cap at 2 charges and it'll kinda stay up like magic ✨

[red ferry]

I think if shield block didnt have charges it would be easier for me to manage

[round pendant]

idk if the wowhead guide mentions HR before 21k now, but it was a "complaint" I had this season since I kept having to tell people to use HR

I think it was just that wowhead has no real functional way to display it

you'd have to make a pre-21k haste tree and a post-

[proper roost]

i mean the way they've formatted wowhead is unusable

like actually unusable for any new player

[red ferry]

Same for icyveins too

[round pendant]

not sure what's better, having people using HR when they don't need to or having people use ITF when they can't sustain SB

[proper roost]

or even any returning player ig

[red ferry]

Like what else is there

[mighty valley]

your buds in here

[sinful copper]

yeah so annoying because ritualist doesnt move for a good 8-10 seconds if u dont fight by his spawn

[red ferry]

ok can we ban kanga then so i dont feel self conscious every time i do something dumb

[proper roost]

i'm pretty sure they've intentionally just made it so the guide writer has to write across like 15 pages to maximize people spamming through pages for ads

[round pendant]

Just block him

[tribal wharf]

if i came back for midnight i would want to play this

[round pendant]

if it's bothering you

[red ferry]

no thats mean

[tribal wharf]

im sure its wrong

[round pendant]

Kanga doesn't give a shit

[mighty valley]

*her

[proper roost]

i don't care if you block me

[tribal wharf]

no storm bolt for some reason

[proper roost]

i'll just continue to judge, popcorn

[sinful copper]

yeah that's my friend and she mains hpal so it happens every time LOL

[proper roost]

this is like the best entertainment that's existed since the season was dead

🍿

[red ferry]

have u tried the mentalist

Its entertainment

That isnt at my expense

[proper roost]

Nothing would be at your expense if you just played the game

[mighty valley]

yeah i think you've just got a strong case of wow anxiety

trying to pre-solve everything when you just need practice

[proper roost]

most people suck at the game they just play and eventually get better cuz they play more, they don't blog about it

[round pendant]

sorry idk anyone's gender here

[proper roost]

except for yogi

yogi blogging his keys was based and epic

[round pendant]

Yeah Khailby you'll end up like Yogi unless you just play the game

[tribal wharf]

yogi doom main now

[proper roost]

a terrifying fate...

[tribal wharf]

export doom video RN

[red ferry]

oh.

[mighty valley]

to be fair yogi did play the game

[red ferry]

I PLAY THE GAME TOO

I just

Dont have friends to play it with

[tribal wharf]

shotgun, demon, i dont have bullets, find bullets, shoot demon

get key open door

[red ferry]

its not blogging if its just a supplement for not having players to play with

[sinful copper]

i dont have friends that play anymore either and pugging 19's is too hard now

[tribal wharf]

like, its so dead simple that, thats whats enjoyable about it

[sinful copper]

i'm really contemplating buying diablo 4 so i have something to do

[tribal wharf]

oh, i ran out of guns, now i have a chainsaw or maybe just fist, what can i do

[mighty valley]

ya it's just things like thinking that you're not managing rage because your bar isn't in an optimal location, when it's just something that you'll adjust to after more play

[tribal wharf]

and its like, if i have to take a shit

or i want to go out side

or my house catches fire

or a tornadoes coems

[proper roost]

What the fuck are you talking about yogi

[mighty valley]

hey this one happened to me

[tribal wharf]

i can save and quit the god damn game instantly

and instantly start playing from that point when the issue is resolved

[proper roost]

Oh, okay, I follow what you're saying now. I mean you can quit a key if your house is on fire, it's legal

no one will care after 5 minutes

[tribal wharf]

its not ah my house is on fire, but i have to complete this keystone

[red ferry]

Hey kanga

[mighty valley]

if i'd been in a key when my house caught fire... who knows what would've happened

[red ferry]

Yogi is doing a thing

Make fun of him now

Hes my smokescreen

[round pendant]

Yogi is immune

[red ferry]

noooo

[round pendant]

He can't be shamed

[red ferry]

Wtfff

[mighty valley]

he will just post through anything

[tribal wharf]

but like, holy shit, you see why i have issue with playing wow now in 2026

[red ferry]

Anyway the goblin discord told me that in order to make money this late in the season you have to tailor bags and have an alt on every server so you can list on each one

+100 gp per craft though

Big

[tribal wharf]

in 2004 when im alot younger and game is younger more relax

but its just too competitive, like many online games

[round pendant]

The play is to wait until midnight and the gather + mine for the first few weeks and get a few mil gold

[proper roost]

yogi's extremely cool

[round pendant]

nothing else is worth your time

[red ferry]

But ive gone from 200k gold to 150k gold in the last week

With only repairs

[round pendant]

I'll never understand what yogi is saying

[red ferry]

And i want crafted gear

[round pendant]

I love m+ cause I can just hop in for a key with my buds whenever we want

raiding is the miserable thing

3 hours of your life for 0 progress 2-3 times a week

yeah nah

[mighty valley]

if you luck out you have a raid-sized social community and do it once a week

[red ferry]

0 progress only if you raid with zombies

[proper roost]

if you view raiding as hanging out with friends it's not so miserable

[red ferry]

^

[round pendant]

wouldn't even bother this close to season being dead, you don't really need gear

[red ferry]

Yea just have friends

[proper roost]

but yeah keys kinda slap, except tfw people start falling off the season after 2 weeks

[round pendant]

yeah the worst part about keys is if you do play semi-irregularly like me you just fall behind the actual decent players and you're in the trenches for a while

[proper roost]

every start of season: lets gooo guys this is gonna be OUR season we're gonna grind

2 weeks after season: (new game) just came out, not rly feeling wow rn, later

you, deep in the throes of actually enjoying the season:

[round pendant]

but I still just get to play a couple keys with my friends whenever we're all available

doesn't feel like a huge commitment

[round pendant]

That's why my friends having such inconsistent schedules is great. They all play at different times and we hardly get to full stack

so I get to do the same content like 3x when I push their ratings up

by the time everyone's got their goals I'm burnt

[red ferry]

Thats rough

[tribal wharf]

what im saying for the guy didnt understand

i want unga bunga vs ooga booga world of warcraft war story in the game

and they try to raid eachothers bases and nuke eachother, now, thats exciting for me

[proper roost]

you're so real for this one yogi

[red ferry]

yapper

[tribal wharf]

hey, i have to find something to do while i wait on 18 hour exports

up to, todays, is like 7 hours

[pallid quiver]

play fighting games with me yogi

[round pendant]

what fighting games are you playing Luerce

I might get back into t8

I wish I liked sf6

[pallid quiver]

My main game is Uni 2

I'm also going to start learning Kinnikuman MGP2 here in a bit, and I'm tangentially starting to learn some Gundam Vs to play at side events at tournaments I go to

[pallid quiver]

my extreme condolences if you go to T8 land again

I have yet to hear good things from the long standing fans

[mellow bridge]

damn uni2 player in the wild

i'll probs buy that if it's on sale during steam winter sale

[pallid quiver]

It will be

It was also on sale like 2 weeks ago for 50% off smh

also having an uzuki avatar but not being in the main unicord smh

[tribal wharf]

i am so bad at fighting games i couldnt ever kill final boss shoa khan in 3rd game

probably since second game

[pallid quiver]

i mean the old school MKs literally cheated

so that's not a surprise

[tribal wharf]

i know in first 2 you could just spam ice or harpoon with scorp sub zero

[pallid quiver]

In order to beat the arcade modes on those, you had to actually play in ways that'd get you murdered against actual players

[tribal wharf]

i can make it to the final boss of those games but i can never beat them

search FX fighter, thats ag ame i had as kid that is fighting game

[mellow bridge]

yeah was just looking through the characters recently and loved her design

[tribal wharf]

im all about guns lasers rockets more than fighting or shmup, general action games are fun too, some rpgs

i dunno, there is something satisfying about i see a demon and i blast its face off with shotgun

[round pendant]

I'm a tekken fan but I only played t1-t4 (as a kid) and then t7 semi-seriously

s2 tekken 8 is a disaster

s1 was promising and they fucked it

😔

[tribal wharf]

i tried what u call it, killer instinct in 2015 or so

2018 maybe du nno

i was no good

[round pendant]

but I just want something to play solo, since I'm kind of out of shit to do rn

And nothing is catching my interest and all my friends are AWOL

[proper roost]

what are u into

there's been a lot of Good Games this year

[round pendant]

idk if I can play a game that has like 150 active players

[round pendant]

no idea

I'm into what I'm into

I need to play silksong actually

[proper roost]

i would definitely recommend just trying out a bunch of low cost indies

good year for indie games

[red ferry]

ehhh

nine sols only took 70 hours to 100%

cost to time ratio is fine and all

But once you beat them you’re back to being out of games

[mighty valley]

there is no way a person can find themselves out of games these days

[red ferry]

i can

[mighty valley]

a gajillion good games are released every year

[red ferry]

Most games you can name ive played to enjoyment

[mighty valley]

are you a master of guilty gear xrd rev 2

[red ferry]

i’m not racist

so no

[round pendant]

And only a subset of those are interesting or engaging to any one person

[round pendant]

what

[red ferry]

Fighting game

[mighty valley]

right but a subset of gajillion is still enough games

[round pendant]

I know what it is

[red ferry]

Yeah

so

[round pendant]

And then you have to filter through all the stuff you don't like to maybe hopefully find one you do like

[mighty valley]

i don't see the problem, simply become racist and then you have 10,000 of enjoyable hobby ahead of you

[mighty valley]

tbh it sounds like you might just be depressed

many such cases

[round pendant]

uh

[mighty valley]

oh am i projecting again

carry on

[round pendant]

My depression is beside the point

[mighty valley]

i do think "oh damn it's sooooo much work to find something to entertain myself" is a pretty classic depression mood lol

[round pendant]

I mean there's just objectively a lot of choice and only a small amount is really gonna click with you

I'm picky af with games and have to be in the right mood for things

[red ferry]

But yeah

There are no games

[round pendant]

I also have giga adhd though

[red ferry]

Sorry

[mighty valley]

well you're ok because you've got hundreds of hours of getting good at prot warrior and posting about your UI to occupy your time

[round pendant]

Ah, the good ol' days

[mighty valley]

my bad loop is "which of these 600 good looking games in my backlog should i finally play? none, fire up another mtg draft"

[round pendant]

yeah that's why I'm so cooked when none of my friends are around

so easy to just hop on voice and play some random slop

compared to trying to find the right mood/motivation to open some random singleplayer game

[mighty valley]

bring back scarcity

it was easy to be hyped for the one bad game you got for christmas

[jagged gust]

I have fully lost myself in the throes of idle games

Who needs to play just one game when you can play half a dozen simultaneously in the background as well?

[round pendant]

I haven't touched idle games since clicker heroes

what's the latest and greatest?

[proper roost]

"you can play a game for 70 hours and then it'll be 100% and done" is the most like

"i'm in my early 20s and have no responsibilities" shit i've ever read lol

[tribal wharf]

if i was in charge of all of wow, i would first add lumbering for trees so you build own home, been over this, second, I would make it so you can play up to whaever 5 or 10 (depends on expansion cataclysm for example with 85) levels below the cap for free, so lvl 50 in classic, lvl 70 currently in tww, 80 for midnight

[red ferry]

Well yeah kinda

I only have university from 7 to 3

[tribal wharf]

and then if you want to level up to 85 you have to pay for the expansion and sub time

[red ferry]

and 9 to 3 on saturday

I have a ton of spare time

[tribal wharf]

for classic cata as just example

[proper roost]

you're so right yogi

[red ferry]

So true kanga

[jagged gust]

Unnamed Space Idle came out a few years ago but started playing a month or two ago, it's everything

Can either slow grind it or play efficiently, either way there's always something new the next day to do, new system, you have to reset like a rogue lite but eventually old systems get upgraded and automated so you can skip them the next time

every once in a while you hit a roadblock where something needs a day or two, or in the very late game a week or two to complete

but then you unlock a new system and it's game time all over again

[jagged gust]

I never played runescape but there was a similar sort of knockoff I did play called Dransik or Ashen Empire and it's all I really want. Let me go level lumberjack and milling for a few weeks, make some planks, have some fun

[mortal cypress]

RUnescape is like when someone poos in your hands, and then you clap

[tribal wharf]

lumbering is just plain addicting and fun to do in most rpgs

same with mining rocks for ores

[jagged gust]

fr, having to go to literal hell to mine special trees or ore from an actual mountain while demons and devils constantly harrass you

peak

[tribal wharf]

i dunno man, RS was really good for the times and that also it run on EVERY computer known to man

doesnt matter how shitty, can play osrs

[jagged gust]

I liked how even for gathering you did better in a party

[tribal wharf]

well it was more just like, you need runes and or gold and or RC (rune crafting xp)

and then you set your self up to do that activitiy

and you can only do death runes at certain spots and it takes a guy who has lvl 80 rune craft and it has to be at this one spot (i think its even in wildy (STV like contested areas where tons of pvp happens)

[red ferry]

oh

Are we talking incremental games

Ng space company

[round pendant]

It's really odd that wow just doesn't add any kinda like number-go-up profession stuff

it's just basically unchanged from vanilla professions

no, the crafting system and crafting orders don't count as a rework

[round pendant]

I've played that

[jagged gust]

isnt that just the old crafting system?

[round pendant]

eh idk

It's just a downside to wow's vertical progression system

[jagged gust]

Used to have to go to westfall just to start mining, and you couldn't just start up in a new xpac

had to farm through eeeerrythang

[round pendant]

None of the profession stuff is really tied to gearing or anything that actually matters outside of consumables ig

mobs don't drop things

systems aren't really linked that well

[proper roost]

many people just want very disparate things out of wow

everything being separate sections of the game is a feature, not a bug