We have historically wiped at every mythic boss at ~1% on prog so
#protection
undone beacon
Its on course
Well, not on Plex or Soulbinder this season but
Changing guild name to "Wipes at 0"
rancid tiger
U need a calender x number of days since last 0% whipe
proper roost
you ain't never seen a boss wipe your raid at 0.1%?
with like, a few thousands of hp left just staring you in the face
proper roost
💀
tribal wharf
i truly know it is clown world now
i mean, i have ram now
for fair prices
nah, that ai shit will cap out at some point fast
theres a practical limit to most things
if it goes to silly prices like 2000, 2500, 3000, im just selling it
warm plinth
Dungeon leveling has never been the play really. It's just the leveling people prefer because it's less effort.
Questing has always been fastest.
warm plinth
Also 8 mins as tank is pretty high; do you have timewalking available at your level? Most people are going to do those when it's available, because it's more XP (plus the weekly quest). You also get a stacking XP buff for doing timewalking during the current event.
red ferry
Also 8 mins as tank is pretty high; do you have timewalking available at your le...
Yeah ive got timewalk
Thats what the 8 min queue was for
warm plinth
Sheesh, that's crazy
red ferry
People got jobs i guess
warm plinth
Losers amirite
warm plinth
That's...odd
red ferry
Do devastator and strategist double dip
warm plinth
They are essentially the same effect but they complement each other by giving you more sources for the resets
red ferry
so is it a 50% on auto attack
warm plinth
No, Strategist only affects the hardcasted Devastate, not Devastator
So Strategist makes your abilities reset, Devastator makes your AAs reset
warm plinth
They're not
red ferry
ok cool
warm plinth
Well, heroic throw is
Because you can easily pull shit with it
But I wouldn't talent wrecking/shattering
red ferry
Storm Bolt is a stun
warm plinth
You will probably have to in Midnight because that node is one of only two options (the other being worse) to get to a mandatory talent
red ferry
is stun on the shift mod of interrupt troll
warm plinth
Not really? But usually you want like...kick on target and kick on focus both bound, and it makes sense to have both on the same key but one modded imo
warm plinth
Like my kick is on a mouse button and then focus kick is shift+ that button
red ferry
i cant do dungeons for some reaosn
warm plinth
Yeah that's definitely just a bug. Weird.
red ferry
Yeah that's definitely just a bug. Weird.
can i ask why strategist doesnt let slam reset the shield slam
because i thought Slam was your big spender
warm plinth
No, you won't use Slam once you have Revenge
warm plinth
Whirlwind, Slam, and Rend will never be on your bars.
warm plinth
Revenge resets SS, which is one of your top damage abilities. And you also have talents that increase the damage of Revenge (though if you're not colossus, it will still do fairly mediocre damage compared to your other buttons)
red ferry
if slam reset shield slam would it be used
warm plinth
Possibly
In single target and not in execute range
I believe we will not have Slam in Midnight anyway; I think I remember it being replaced by Revenge next expansion
warm plinth
Correct, it's not part of the rotation; you will use it at the start of every fight/pack though, and sometimes multiple times if it's a big pull
red ferry
remeber that game i told you about that i was pretty good at
fellowship
in that game, Charge was
warm plinth
Yeah, I played Helena for the brief time I played it
warm plinth
We used to use charge somewhat rotationally but not since Legion
And it was because we used a talent that made it aoe stun
warm plinth
lol
red ferry
whatre the odds thats why dungeons didnt work
warm plinth
Actually, that is why dungeons didn't work
I'm 99% sure you're not allowed to use the group finder on a starter account
red ferry
midnight preorder doesnt include tww and previous right
warm plinth
Midnight will include all previous expansions
warm plinth
Yeah, every time a new expansion comes out, it includes all previous ones
warm plinth
Yes
And you'll also get access to the midnight beta (if you buy the highest version) and player housing (all versions)
warm plinth
Yeah, unless you want beta access then it's meh
Though, if you're going to get heroic, you might as well get epic because you get a free month of game time that basically makes up the cost difference
warm plinth
I don't blame you
Is there even a hearthstone this time around?
Oh I guess you get all the housing shit with the epic edition
red ferry
feh
warm plinth
And 2 more mounts
warm plinth
warm plinth
Yeah, they only do 60 days now for game time purchases
red ferry
can you still do the thing where you buy a month and cancel the sub
warm plinth
Yeah
red ferry
alright cool
bossfight time
lets see if i can still sightread
oh wait these are literally nothingburger fights xdd
warm plinth
Aren't you doing follower dungeons?
warm plinth
They have basically no mechanics; you're basically soloing the dungeon in those
warm plinth
They are easier than normal even, by a lot
warm plinth
Yeah they're basically intended for people to just be able to experience the dungeons
red ferry
heroic leap is a good aggro gen tool methinks
undone beacon
follower dungeon priory is great, gotta farm those trellises. Trelli?
tribal wharf
i'll have to be honest when i saw that img of RLP boss 1, i was wondering why the gif wasn't playing...
im like oh ya, thats for sure what this is
warm plinth
i'll have to be honest when i saw that img of RLP boss 1, i was wondering why th...
That's pretty funny lmao
tribal wharf
its the perfect example dungeon i would give as i love it from rp perspective, but i hate when you give i the action/shmup game "loops" effect
more loops you do or set it to, the harder it rachets up
TON of dmg out going, on every single boss, and trash, and a short time limit
red ferry
is it normal to sometimes not have a button to press
while levelling
ABC feels hard to achieve
coarse bay
I wouldn't be surprised, between less talents and low haste.
sinful copper
guys, the game is so dead already and theres 3 months left until midnight? what are we gonna do
round pendant
is it normal to sometimes not have a button to press
yeah the game is completely scuffed during levelling
for all the classes
ionic fern
guys, the game is so dead already and theres 3 months left until midnight? what ...
Enjoy the afk.
Play other games.
sharp merlin
Yeah since I’ve been playing other games I don’t think I’m coming back to WoW in Midnight. They would need to seriously overhaul the dungeons and resil system so badly for me to want to come back
Fellowship has a lot of issues (including bad players, you’ll never get rid of that) but the fact I can just jump in and get a dungeon done in 15 min respects my time. Sitting with a resil 18 key in queue watching the most abhorrent players signing up for my keys was just not a good way to spend my time
And then the dungeon bricks after the first pull or you realise 2 pulls in the dps are just not gonna time it, sucks.
jagged pier
guys, the game is so dead already and theres 3 months left until midnight? what ...
housing
jagged pier
u frogetting wow players only play wow for some reason
strong forum
fixed
strong forum
Ye that 1 punto is up to you
red ferry
ohh
strong forum
Doesn't matter which you pick
red ferry
sorry lol
i like disrupting shout
reminds me of an ability from a similar game
why do you and the icy veins guy choose the opposite talents for these nodes?
I know thats a weird question but i'm just kinda curious of the thought process
strong forum
HR cuz helps you significantly to keep up block while leveling
SD is just free damage on your by far hardest hitting ability, will net you more milage from mob to mob
red ferry
thats fair
strong forum
Bleeds won't get milage if you fight random quest mobs
red ferry
i imagine both this and the icyveins guide change the talents when you get to the real game anyway right
strong forum
Yeah there's some changes
Not large tho since tree is very straight forward these days
red ferry
thats fair
strong forum
But tree will change in 12.0 again anyway 
red ferry
ya
this is what i have right now
does it look alright or should i swap to the one you prepared
strong forum
Looks good
strong forum
12.0 is gna be interesting
red ferry
is midnight really the 11th expansion
strong forum
12th
red ferry
thats crazy because we have some people who have been with the game since vanilla
they must feel old
strong forum
Aaah yeah sorry
strong forum
I been around since 2.0.7? I think
red ferry
I been around since 2.0.7? I think
strong forum
Yeah checks out
strong forum
Damn
red ferry
yeah im 20
strong forum
Fresh young blood in wow is rare
red ferry
i know a few people
grim pilot
As u might think
red ferry
but they dont tend to occupy the
class idscords
fresh blood in clash discords is probably rare
strong forum
Actually true I guess, I've been meeting lots of people who started bfa/SL
red ferry
i know a guy who started DF
grim pilot
Ye and i did df
strong forum
Das crazy
grim pilot
Sure
strong forum
I'm oldge
red ferry
so wait
strong forum
Not archim oldge
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
I remember back in 2007, when having fast flying was a feat
red ferry
i can even do it with my CE mount
red ferry
hold on
that reminds me
i cant find it but one time someone showed me an old old image from craigslist of a woman selling herself in exchange for gold for flying mount in wow
during tbc
strong forum
Yeah it was expensive
red ferry
yeah
red ferry
:susge:
strong forum
red ferry
ya dragonflight is fun so far
i am big chilling
woah lol
where did this guy come from
does everyone just get this for free now? in bfa you needed to buy an expensive mount
strong forum
Uuuh seems like a green dragonflight specific thing
red ferry
like reputation?
strong forum
Nah I think more like, zone wise
red ferry
oh thats fair
karmic plinth
dreamsurge event in the zone sometimes pops a helper
red ferry
yeah its probably for the quest
i dont read them too closely
so maybe it said something like "take this with you"
karmic plinth
dreamsurge event in the zone sometimes pops a helper
this power rotates hourly
sometimes you get the faerie dragon sometimes its a damage buff or something
karmic plinth
dreamsurge event rotates zones each week
karmic plinth
ye part of the same
red ferry
very cool
oh followup question
ive only ever played healer so i wouldnt know but in bfa there was Twilight Devastation and it gave tanks big damage
can tanks still achieve that level of damage
strong forum
yes but its not as volatile
tribal wharf
@red ferry to put it bluntly, Twilight Dev would likely make top 25 most broken over powered things in wow of all time
i wouldnt say top 10, but top 25 to 50, 100 , EASILY
in a relative "weekly keystone" so like, 10 it was at the time in bfa, 1 cast of that shit would equate to deal 50% max hp to group of mobs, or delete 3-5% of boss max hp
https://www.wowhead.com/item=188253/scars-of-fraternal-strife like this would i would say be in top 100, maybe
this one in DF was pretty good when it released, but then they buffed the hell out of it and i think the effect was basically you couldnt really break the armor plates under any circumstance, outside high keys (over +23) or mythic raid
so, yes, overpowered things do appear in the game from time to time if you are willing to look for them and chase after them, is what im saying
red ferry
oh thats cool
this one npc only speaks in sign language
thats a unique gimmick for a game
tribal wharf
they cater that type largely now
red ferry
oh shut up LOL
its neat
someone told me khadgar has a wheelchair though and i think thats dumb
robot legs where
tribal wharf
i prefer when it was orcs raid human camp, kill humans, behead thier leader, human king mad, human king sends out men to raid orc base, they kill orcs, behead some of them, but there is a bad guy there, rinse repeat
red ferry
i prefer the more cosmic stuff they do
like Shadowlands
or the global stuff like BFA
the small scale stuff hasnt ever been my thing unfortunately
toxic gyro
someone told me khadgar has a wheelchair though and i think thats dumb
Hes a mage, cant he get astral legs ?
tribal wharf
war needs to end in entire country sides being burned down, and houses destroyed and blown up, some dead bodies from the war
in like, games and tv show movie i mean
some game of thrones crap
red ferry
how do i get places quickly again
jagged pier
Portals in main city
red ferry
When do i start to get easier aggro gen
Im mashing revenge and thunderclap and still not getting aggro or keeping it in my levelling dungeon
When i get to m0 ill do some runs and get some logs
unreal yarrow
No one runs m0. Watch a video on the dungeons and jump in a low key
After you get some starting gear in delves
Aggro is wonky as shit leveling. Don't let it bother you. It's a non-issue at level cap
red ferry
Whatre delves
actually
Hold on
Dont spoil that part for me
But i would like to know when it prompts me to level in TWW
jagged pier
Dont be mean 
undone beacon
coarse bay
Im mashing revenge and thunderclap and still not getting aggro or keeping it in ...
To reiterate on what aaran said, aggro is mostly a problem while leveling due to level scaling in this game being so shit. You can be doing crazy damage, level once and suddenly do nothing.
undone beacon
I was in a timewalking yesterday where I couldnt hold threat as a 725 prot warrior against a level 10 mistweaver
it was funny af
red ferry
https://media.tenor.com/3_B60SXGfW4AAAAM/glorp-squish.gif
Mods mods mods wtffff
red ferry
Dont be mean <:mad:1275456001386217502>
Jakey
when does the game tell me to go to tww
tribal wharf
TLDR taunt + dmg dealt = big threat
some crap about your threat is multiplied on taunted targets by some amount, i want to say 4x but i cant remember
jagged pier
when does the game tell me to go to tww
When u hit the right lvl
red ferry
is that 60
hearty kettle
Where i can upgrade the cloak?
I skipped the campaign with my Alt, but its still 649?
coarse bay
when does the game tell me to go to tww
Should be lvl 70
coarse bay
Where i can upgrade the cloak?
Go to the cloak guy in person to get your cloak, then i assume the macro still works and/or you upgrade it there
coarse bay
Generally, yes
unreal yarrow
No, it's a movement ability
coarse bay
Ya it’s usually used for chain pulling or collecting spread packs, and you want to avoid leaping into the middle of the pack, or else you will get hit in the back.
strong forum
around level 62 is when you start to actually feel like a real spec
strong forum
shield charge iirc
basically all your rage gen talents are gated beyond level 60
so before that it feels like ass
strong forum
sure
red ferry
when i get to max ill put in some UI addons
for better cooldown and buff tracking
thats probably like 70% of my issue
strong forum
id wager even more!
restive cypress
Im new to tanking and prot warrior. What tools do good tanks use to track co tanks defensives in raid?
jagged gust
Co tanks defensives? Literally never
restive cypress
Interesting. Ok.
mellow bridge
tribal wharf
since day one its been stacks on boss or you get too high, you get 1 shot, raid wipes
taunt off other person at X stacks
restive cypress
Ok. That's fair. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
tribal wharf
when in doubt, look up the suggested amount, or ask the other tank in dM
restive cypress
Im using dbm and weakauras to track stacks but is there a good way using blizzards new tracking tools/timers other than just seeing the debuff by the mini map?
Trying to get ready for addon apocalypse, no point in learning to depend on addons if they wont work in 3 months
coarse bay
If you’re planning for next expac, I think blizzard plans on having implemented something for it themselves, and it isn’t in tww. Idk how it’ll be done but theyll have a boss timeline system of their own.
restive cypress
Ah ok. Im done with the dumb questions for now. Thanks for not flaming. 🤘
coarse bay
Otherwise you’ll want to move your dbm things around, if u open dmb settings there should be an option somewhere to move things around
restive cypress
im pretty used to dbm from dps perspective so no issues there, thanks
red ferry
thats weird, its the current expansion but its telling me i'm doing a "recap"
analog lantern
has anyone seen this snapping/mob position bug in DB before? omg https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2639903360
shut summit
yes
merry condor
is there any resource that talks about how all the various blocks, absorbs, and dr work w.r.t. one another? like what happens before and after various types of mit? like the BOMDAS or warrior lol. watching back my keys i take wildly varying amounts of damage to the exact same tankbuster based on what level of mit i have going on at any given time (like with or without demo shout ill take what appears to be twice the dmg despite it only being a 25% dr). mostly for magical busters but just in general
red ferry
all of the prot warrior builds are so different
between both websites theres 12 of them
thats crazy
thin silo
the "best build" question is reliant upon what you prioritize most
some people go for "if you're a tank, your job is to take as little damage as physically possible" and go all-in on anything that increases defensive ability
this server's general philosophy is to take enough of the largest defensive upgrades that you can survive if played properly, and then go all-in on offensive power, with the idea that as long as you're not under imminent threat of death, being able to inflict more damage increases your odds of victory by minimizing the length of the fight (and thus the amount of time something can go wrong during)
and of course any given site/writer will also have their own ideas about where the balance point lies
red ferry
Build to take as little damage as possible should only really apply if the dps take avoidable damage which causes healer strain, no?
Should always be what you said
Take as little damage as possible is best for groups with learner dps and healers i imagine
warm plinth
is there any resource that talks about how all the various blocks, absorbs, and ...
Block, then damage reductions (which are multiplicative, meaning it's generally a bad idea to stack them if you don't have to), then full absorbs (biggest to smallest), then partial absorbs (biggest to smallest). Keep in mind that you're basically always going to have IP up, and then you have cloak proc sometimes that can make a pretty significant damage difference.
There's not really that many builds. If you look at them, they're like a few talents different from each other. And you can ignore the colossus builds entirely because no one is playing them.
You basically have Raid, Raid with Cleave, M+ push, and M+ weekly
Which are very typical
Our defensive vs offensive choices are very small and the only super impactful one is whether or not you take Battle Scarred Veteran
red ferry
You basically have Raid, Raid with Cleave, M+ push, and M+ weekly
Yeah but the two guide writers differ on what they think those are
Is what i meant
warm plinth
Not really; like I said, they might differ by a point or two, but they're basically the same builds
And those points are just flex points that you can put wherever and it won't make any significant difference
warm plinth
Ravager vs whirling blade matters. Whirling Blade is better by far, but some folks like Ravager as a personal preference because you can target it.
red ferry
The stun hammer and heroic spear are also flex points between the guides
its just a lot of active skill differences
Thats whats so confusing
Seems like theyd play differently
warm plinth
Spear is an exception. It's technically better in some situations, but it's also a lot more annoying to use because you have to stand in it. And you either have spear or you have roar, so you're just replacing an active ability with an active ability.
red ferry
yeah
I dunno. Whatever build has me push the least buttons is the best
Raise Shield management sucks with no addins
I need a bunch of big bars in my face that say “hey idiot, these buffs are not up”
are they removing those with midnight
because that would suck
warm plinth
Well, before you have 21k haste rating, you have to differ from the guide builds on one talent
warm plinth
They're not removing like...buff timers, but I think most of that is going to be built in
So not from an addon
Removing them as in addons will be more limited on them
red ferry
Keep your feet on the ground
warm plinth
No, Into the Fray/Heavy Repercussions
Before 21k haste rating, you play Heavy Repercussions. After 21k haste, you play Into the Fray
red ferry
oh ok
warm plinth
That's like the bare minimum haste rating; most people prefer a bit more than that for comfort.
red ferry
Thats the haste vs shield slam one right
warm plinth
One is just straight haste increase, the other is when you shield slam, it extends your shield block
warm plinth
Into the Fray is a lot more DPS but without the proper level of haste, you will have significant gaps in shield block uptime, which is a big no no
red ferry
I have significant gaps in my shield block uptime because i cant see when its up
warm plinth
warm plinth
Base UI has that stuff I think now, but you have to enable it iirc
red ferry
bah
Would rather steal someones elvui
is elvui still the hip cool thing
Or did something replace it
warm plinth
For overall UI, yes. For buff timers, not really. WeakAuras are the go-to, but WAs are going away entirely in Midnight.
warm plinth
The in-game thing probably. Or an addon that someone creates
red ferry
im pretty confident that if i cant see my rage bar with a big line through it that tells me when i need to ignore pain
or a bar that shows me shields up
Or any of that
I dont think ill be able to have reasonable uptime
warm plinth
Ignore Pain uptime is not something you have to track.
red ferry
I dont think its reasonable for any player to be expected to do that without the aforementioned either tbh
warm plinth
But I will say the rage bar with the line is not going to be a thing in Midnight
red ferry
Ignore Pain uptime is not something you have to track.
Not what i meant
meant more “you are going to overcap on rage fatass”
“Press ip”
warm plinth
Yeah that's not gonna be allowed unfortunately
Anything that makes decisions for you in combat is not allowed
warm plinth
Yes it is
warm plinth
You can literally make a weakaura that will even say out loud "you are going to overcap on rage fatass" when you get to x rage XD
warm plinth
Assuming you had a recording or file of someone saying that
red ferry
i see
And theyre planning to make the class more reasonable to play without these tools as compensation right
SURELY right
warm plinth
To a point, sure. But tracking your main resource is pretty straight forward and doesn't require addons
red ferry
Its true
But to be honest
Parsing (not like logs) between “oh its 100, time to press” vs “its over the green line, time to press”
is different
Maybe thats just a me thing though
warm plinth
Maybe, idk. I don't have an issue with it personally and I'm a fairly mid player
red ferry
i feel like the green line processes faster
red ferry
i mean im not even at real content yet xdd
im sure if i just rip nomes elvui
and turn on the trackers ingame
Ill be fine
hopefully
Will what delves are and how to use them to my benefit at max efficiency be made clear to me by the game
Or will i need to google at some point
And when is that point if so
warm plinth
Delves are just chill solo content you can do that isn't really necessary for anyone doing mythic+
Well, solo or group, but most people do them solo
red ferry
Aaran said do delves before i hop in a low key like a +4
warm plinth
You can get one hero path piece a week from them, and you can get like 21 gilded crests per week from them
red ferry
For when i want to log
warm plinth
Who is that
red ferry
You can get one hero path piece a week from them, and you can get like 21 gilded...
Is it uncapped because the expansion is over
warm plinth
Not from delves, no
red ferry
Alright
warm plinth
In general they are uncapped though
red ferry
So do i just jump into a +4 straight out of recap or
read the dungeon guide and ball
warm plinth
I'm not sure what ilevel you end up at after that, as it's new
The whole recap thing was just added last Tuesday
red ferry
lol really
warm plinth
Probably, though I wouldn't know. I haven't leveled a toon from scratch since Shadowlands. I have a character for every spec in the game at at least 70, including a specless character
red ferry
i wonder though
If BFA had the cloak
And azerite
And corruption
And sl had the covenants (was that it?)
And i missed df and tww
What do we know about borrowed power in midnight
warm plinth
Well, unless you count in Legion Remix, which wouldn't get that experience anyway
Shadowlands had a lot of bullshit
red ferry
I stopped after mythic painsmith kill
warm plinth
Legendaries, covenants, shards of domination, the return of tier sets; it was a train wreck
red ferry
Prenerf mythic painsmith
Holy monka
oh yeah shards
The tower
Tier sets count as borrowed power i guess
i vaguely remember legendaries
I liked the cloak in bfa
Maybe i was alone in that
You had the cloak. The cloak was big. The cloak did cool things.
warm plinth
Dragonflight was a big cantrip item expansion, but we didn't really have a ton of borrowed power.
Besides tier sets ofc
BfA was like THE borrowed power expansion
red ferry
i liked that
warm plinth
Heart of Azeroth neck with major/minor essences, the cloak + corruptions, azerite gear
red ferry
I guess most people prefer their build diversity to come from a talent tree though
Which is fair
warm plinth
I don't think the power was the issue but more how gated it all was
warm plinth
Oh I am a degenerate when it comes to visions. They brought them back this expansion.
warm plinth
I purchased everything possible from the vendors and still had like 200k of the currency left over
warm plinth
They even brought back corruptions, but on a much smaller scale and they're already gone
they brought back like 5 or 6 of them as helm enchants, but they were only active during season 2
They also added 3 more masks
So you can do 8 mask runs
red ferry
They even brought back corruptions, but on a much smaller scale and they're alre...
Twilight Devastation
Your attacks have a chance to trigger a beam of Twilight Devastation, dealing damage equal to 18.00% of your health to all enemies in front of you.
warm plinth
Yeah uh, it was MUCH weaker this time around heh
red ferry
18%
warm plinth
And pretty much all damage effects like that including trinkets are nerfed for tanks 🙁
warm plinth
Like the greater twilight dev enchant was like 2.1 million damage proc for DPS but only 1 million for tanks
red ferry
dang
warm plinth
Void Ritual was actually the strongest one for most specs
red ferry
I wonder what unique stuff midnight will have
warm plinth
Which was just a secondaries buff
red ferry
and i also wonder if theyve already put a feet joke in a quest or achievement name
red ferry
Void Ritual was actually the strongest one for most specs <:keks:936231610850897...
nooo way
warm plinth
I used Twilight Dev anyway though for nostalgia purposes
They were a pretty minor impact anyway, like 1-2% dps
red ferry
They were a pretty minor impact anyway, like 1-2% dps
heheheh
not in bfa theys wasnt
warm plinth
You can still do the new visions now but you can't get much that matters out of them unless you want the mounts/cosmetics
I was pretty annoyed with Blizzard this time around. They dropped the ball on a few things that they finally changed way after they didn't matter anymore.
Like you know how in BfA if you did like a vision carry, you could sacrifice half your sanity to rez someone?
red ferry
Like you know how in BfA if you did like a vision carry, you could sacrifice hal...
Yea
I did solo visions tho
friendless
Couldnt do any team shenanigans
warm plinth
Well, that was broken, the entire time. It JUST got fixed like 2 weeks ago
red ferry
??? Lol
warm plinth
And we still had a vision talent this time around that let you rez someone for free, except IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
BECAUSE THE REZZING WAS BROKEN
red ferry
warm plinth
They also finally (again, 2 weeks ago) let us choose which city to queue into
instead of it being on a rotation
red ferry
i remember stormwind being easier
warm plinth
I think most people would disagree with you in BFA but agree with you in the newer version, at least in the higher mask runs
warm plinth
One of the masks is called multitudes; it makes it so you have like 3x as many enemies in the visions XD
red ferry
Same with the spiral staircase to mage room
red ferry
One of the masks is called multitudes; it makes it so you have like 3x as many e...
3x as many Impending Victory casts of course
I think 80% of my deaths are caused by forgetting i have that button and not pressing it
warm plinth
There's also a mask that gives the mobs the OG bolstering basically. Increases mob damage if you kill other mobs around them
red ferry
The other 20% are other uptime related things
warm plinth
and stacks
red ferry
thats pretty nuts
warm plinth
Those two masks together make Valley of Honor horrible for a lot of specs
red ferry
what was the miniboss for the shaman area
In uhh
Orgrimmar
that one sucked
hated that
warm plinth
The big voidwalker looking elemental that did the waves and made you collect the orb to stop your silence
warm plinth
Oblivion Elemental
warm plinth
I made a big ass reddit post on how to cheese a bunch of the bosses in Orgrimmar, including him
It's funny because you can cheese damn near every boss in Orgrimmar to some degree, but you can't cheese a single one in Stormwind
It's like two completely different teams did them
warm plinth
Yeah but after you've done hundreds of visions, you get bored and start goofing around
warm plinth
later
merry condor
Block, then damage reductions (which are multiplicative, meaning it's generally ...
tysm for this, its really hard to find this info anywhere. in my 18db last night i was trying to move the boss before beam (and so was out of range to get rage) and my max IP dropped off 0.2s before beam went out and i got clapped for 30mil, but almost all other tankbusters ive done on that fight are never an issue.
as a follow up, BSV seems to proc a bunch when i dont get knocked down at all - do you know if that is because the hit would have taken me under 30%, and it applies before dmg goes out, or is this also some fucky BOMDAS going on? i've had BSV proc on a hit that only took me to ~70% before
fallow fern
what is a reasonable miss % for antenna in a sim? never used the thing..
warm plinth
tysm for this, its really hard to find this info anywhere. in my 18db last night...
BSV is just buggy as shit. It was working mostly correctly last season but got broken again. It will proc off pre- mitigation damage and that's what causes your health to barely move even though it procced
merry condor
BSV is just buggy as shit. It was working mostly correctly last season but got ...
🤣 yeah i have learnt to just accept that it goes off sometimes, good to have confirmation
round pendant
BSV is just buggy as shit. It was working mostly correctly last season but got ...
Classic blizzard, fix something and a few patches later it's broken again
unreal yarrow
Aaran said do delves before i hop in a low key like a +4
Delves aren't like a requirement, just a good source of starting gear. Runing a few takes no time and requires no focus. Unless you have a group to play with even as a tank people aren't going to want to take you in quest greens.
strong forum
<@&257983573498265600>
red ferry
Finished my biology exam
hate trophic levels
“Fish consume smaller fish who consume algae, but if this algae fish extinct, what is the closest fish to immediately fill the niche so big fish can eat”
dusky canopy
red ferry
who is that
When does impending victory start to feel good to press
I like pressing shield slam and thunderclap and maybe revenge (but mostly execute)
But impending victory doesnt feel good but its like the only way to stay alive
proper roost
you should maybe hit max level first
coarse bay
It’s not really something tied into your rotation
proper roost
your leveling hp will seesaw way more and way more uncontrollably than will be any useful for learning anything
red ferry
How many casts of impending victory do you have on average in one raid fight
8 minutes ish
red ferry
Whats this tiers patchwerk fight
Try that
less mechanics usually means more outgoing damage
And tighter dps race
strong forum
fractillus i guess
red ferry
Ok
strong forum
idk 4 maybe 5
red ferry
Oh
Ok
When you need to press it is it pretty wires edge speed
Or do you know you’ll need to press it in advance
undone beacon
You typically hit Impending Victory only if you need the heal at max level, otherwise there’s better things to do rotationally
red ferry
like can i put it on a shitty button
undone beacon
I do hate my healers
undone beacon
“Fish consume smaller fish who consume algae, but if this algae fish extinct, wh...
The answer is B btw I hope you put that
undone beacon
They get to play the easy role
That’s what healers keep telling me but I hate healing
red ferry
i used to play healer
i still think dps hardest role
because if dps dont dps
then the boss doesnt die
jade hazel
They get to play the easy role
maybe like, mid keys, heroic raiding but high keys and mythic raiding healing is unbelievably hard
jade hazel
i still think dps hardest role
It’s still tank.
red ferry
i did mythic raiding healing and high keys healing
it wasnt that bad
did it get harder since bfa/sl
jade hazel
Idk didn’t play them really
red ferry
oh ok
jade hazel
i still think dps hardest role
If that were the case Liquid wouldn’t be putting their best dps to healing instead of recruiting healers.
red ferry
idk
i can only speak on my experiences and on evidence
ive never touched dps
wouldnt know
maybe id play it and be the worlds best dps or something
proper roost
what is your experience though
aren't you uh
like
literally leveling rn
People have wildly varying views of what "high keys" are
red ferry
what is your experience though
mythic raiding and keys in late bfa early sl
proper roost
mythic raiding is also wildly different between "just touched mythics" to "CE" to "month 1 CE"
Basically means nothing
red ferry
yea but
cutting edge is a lot different from hall of fame
i dont think i could do hall of fame
i dont have that sort of time
red ferry
but yeah my theory is that the reason people are saying that is because
coarse bay
1.5 month is hof pretty sure
red ferry
healing has been made harder
proper roost
yeah if you're saying "1.5 month CE" and you are not HOF then you are like
red ferry
1.5 month is hof pretty sure
okay def wouldnt be 1.5 month ce then
coarse bay
What is hard and easy varies person to person
red ferry
shitty memory
mighty valley
healing is a bit harder and also the gaps between normal CE -> hall of fame -> rwf healing are all huge
proper roost
If you think healing is an easy role then you're simply dunning kruger'd
red ferry
i was a lowly gamer
mighty valley
whereas raid tanking doesn't get THAT much harder
proper roost
raid tanking is legit the most braindead role in the game i think it actively makes you dumber
coarse bay
Like i dont heal, but got a veteran int sword and jumped into 15 keys a few weeks ago and it was easy to me. But a 15 key isnt high by any means
proper roost
blizzard is afraid of making raid tanks learn things
red ferry
ya
idk
i think castle nathria was just an easy healer raid
after nerfs
thats the only explanation
to our different opinions
coarse bay
Tank has kinda always been known to be the easiest role in raid
red ferry
that seems fair
coarse bay
If you inspect the logs of probably most ce guilds, usually tanks are some of the worst players
coarse bay
But usually tanks are reliable in attendance and get the job done
coarse bay
Everybody in this discord is amazing, i dont include them in my blanket
mighty valley
if we're so amazing why wouldn't you share your blanket with us...
red ferry
its not a real blanket
coarse bay
I have a special blanket for cozy time
red ferry
are you guys messing with me
mighty valley
its not a real blanket
oh so now we're lying about blankets. it's getting worse and worse
coarse bay
Ofc what i said is generalizing based on my own experience and what ive seen. It’s unfortunate but there’s always been a bit of a stigma towards raid tanking.
red ferry
yea
idk
i liked healing
but i am very sensitive so i dont think i can do it anymore
cant handle being yelled at
coarse bay
Honestly
Tanks and healers get away with a lot
Because unless youre causing problems
Just do your job and you dont get noticed
red ferry
ya
coarse bay
Dps all look at meters and logs
red ferry
my logic about the dps being hard is just
coarse bay
Thats why a lot of tanks and healers arent pushed to improve
red ferry
what if you have the best tank
and the best healer
and dps facerolling
healer could oom or something
boss could enrage
coarse bay
Really good tanks and healers can definitely carry a lot
Players in any role significantly lower skill level than the rest of the guild are noticeable
red ferry
thats probably true
theyve probably come a longer way towards making roles equally important
coarse bay
Ive noticed some rotationally weaker tanks though ill say 🙂
Bdks and monk mains playing other tanks usually
red ferry
yeah
i think i just have to realize that i'm basically playing an entirely new game
and my past knowledge means zero
2 expansions+ is a long time
coarse bay
Fundamentals still stick, i came back this expac after not playing seriously since legion/bfa
coarse bay
Im done shit talking tanks though, i just have grievances with guild tanks ive had in my history
red ferry
arent you tank
coarse bay
I dont raid tank that often, usually dps for raid
But i play all tanks for m+
I tank alt raids 🤓
red ferry
xd
i dont think i ever did alt raids
i was a one trick if i remember
i played holy paladin
that was it
coarse bay
Ive never played the dps specs for any tank besides dk or pally, so if i dont tank on them i wont get raid gear
unreal yarrow
You kinda need to track all of those except ignore pain
red ferry
sure but id think that shield block should be a bigger icon than Avatar or something
things you press more often
but yeah thats a lot of things to track
unreal yarrow
Oh, sure, organize in a way that makes sense for you
red ferry
ill just steal someone elses methinks
coarse bay
Its easy to change the order, and you should
dusky canopy
For this remix catch up can I log in and get 779ilvl gear instantly if I’m like 650 currently?
jagged pier
it takes like 5 minutes
red ferry
anybody know how to make dwarf look good
coarse bay
Nope
red ferry
:(
coarse bay
I had a pretty good set for my pally, dont know if it really works for warrior
red ferry
the earthen look good
coarse bay
My warrior just used meme mog when it was dwarf, like the butterfly and frog sets
coarse bay
Actually i used the wod garrison set on my warrior, was pretty good
Depends on what you want
I dont think i have any pics or vods of it, i swapped to nelf last season
Maybe on my pc
red ferry
is dwarf better again now that pot exists
and did you pay for the race change or just
level
coarse bay
I paid
red ferry
xd
coarse bay
My core set of characters ive had forever
Lots of faction and realm changes at this point lol
red ferry
fair
jade hazel
anybody know how to make dwarf look good
Make it a mage/lock.
undone beacon
anybody know how to make dwarf look good
Just play a goblin cuz goblins bis always
wanton mantle
Small question regarding tanking Loom'ithar; on the frontal beam tank swap, can i taunt while they are casting the beam so he turns to face me as soon as he finish?. The window right after he finish the cast is very thin.
thick umbra
Do you guys us Battle stance very often in high keys? Or is it pretty much just D stance the whole time?
mighty valley
bstance is just 3% crit in exchange for a lot of dr
maybe you can eke out a little more damage during some bosses but... generally not worth thinking about
coarse bay
Ya it’s pretty much never in high keys, usually just done when off tanking in raid
grim pilot
Do you guys us Battle stance very often in high keys? Or is it pretty much just ...
last boss of the key if anything
other than that not really no
if you forget to switch for next pull its way bigger loss than 3% crit would give you in 50 runs bc you can most likely die
dim niche
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/merrix-is-missing-in-catch-up-the-war-wi...
a guy posted a possible workaround on that post a couple of hours ago FYI
tribal wharf
ya you can easily power through the story in a day or 2 if you keep at it, especially once you are max lvl and in blues/epics for max lvl, tons of bind on account and auction.
personally, i would want them complete the heirloom gear, set, for all slots including trinkets with way way more that are just closer to stat stick, you equip and it does a thing, pick a bunch from old raid tiers
or replace that whole heirloom with something else
easy to get rings, and both rings, wrists, gloves, boots
i think they should take 10 interesting trinkets for each spec from old raids, so melee, ranged(magic), healer, tank, make those heirloom
warm plinth
or replace that whole heirloom with something else
Heirlooms are so sad now 
coarse bay
I miss good heirlooms
They dont even have good ilvl anymore, u only use them to be lazy
warm plinth
Yep, that's why I use them. Just lets me not have to give a shit about quest rewards XD
coarse bay
Yup that or mog
Like who cares about rested xp
I dont make a character and park it in an inn to build that up before leveling
warm plinth
Yeah, it's sad. I don't know why they removed the XP bonus from them.
coarse bay
Idk i think you can level even faster now than back then anyways
warm plinth
You can, but that doesn't mean that it should have been removed in my opinion. The xp nerf that happened around that time wasn't the first xp nerf we've ever had so idk, makes no sense.
It was the only reason I ever bought heirlooms. If they didn't have the xp bonus I would've never purchased them
And they're expensive af, and were even more expensive when i bought them
coarse bay
Ya it was a decent investment but all to just sit in my collections now lol
And the chauffeur was worth it too
warm plinth
Ok that's actually true; I might have at least bought 35 to get the mount because you had to wait til level 20 to use a mount at the time if you didn't have it
hardy snow
Chauffer was great addition for low lvl
frosty mango
Hello fellow shield bearers
Wishing you all a happy holiday season while I drown in work
Someone do a wellness check after new years
red ferry
can someone show me what the average casts for each ability on a m+ run or boss or whatever environment is
prio is hard
torn gulch
do you want to see cpm for each ability on a m+ key?
red ferry
yeah that sounds like it would be useful
torn gulch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8bMQyWnVkT1LKHYj?fight=17&type=casts&source=2
don't know how useful it is but this one is from a +22 key
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HbdY1K43ymk9ZGcj?fight=1&type=casts&source=20
and this one is from the first boss on mythic
red ferry
huh
torn gulch
take into consideration that both of these players are good to very good
don't know about the on from the raid but the m+ tank is very good
red ferry
how many of those ignore pains are manual cast
torn gulch
probably all
red ferry
interesting
torn gulch
i don't think they play with IP macros
red ferry
more casts than shield block
torn gulch
yes ignore pain end up with the highest amount of casts in m+
because you dump a lot of rage into it especially in decent keys
torn gulch
which ability are you talking about
torn gulch
yes but that is only a small amount of your ignore pains
unreal yarrow
You spend rage with ignore pain so you get more damage from outburst
torn gulch
you cast most of them manually
red ferry
i wouldve thought hed press shield block more
unreal yarrow
And cdr on shield wall and avatar
torn gulch
there is no need to press it more when you get 8s per stack of shield block
and you can prolong it
torn gulch
while you can have ignore pain depleted in like 2-3s and you consume rage to keep it up and keep the rage consumption going
when you have excess rage you dump into ignore pain
red ferry
yeah
my biggest issue is that within like a 30 second window
prot warrior has a lot of buttons to press
and considering people say shift binds are not a good idea for most of them
its just a lot of normal binds
makes navigating the keyboard hard
torn gulch
that is true prot warr has a decent amount of binds
I play with an mmo mouse so I don't have that big of a problem with it
unreal yarrow
Mmo mouse is huge
red ferry
i have an mmo mouse and i dont think it helps that much
torn gulch
and prot warrior has one of the highest cpm among all specs
red ferry
yea
unreal yarrow
But not the most keybinds
torn gulch
brew still has a lot of keybinds if i am not mistaken
as for cps the m+ log I gave you shows that the prot warrior clocks at over 90 cpm over the entire key
that is a lot of button presses
red ferry
yeah
torn gulch
you have cases where you go over 100
red ferry
i think i just have to move my defensives to worse keybinds in favor of more often pressed buttons
torn gulch
oh yeah rotational stuff has to go on more accesible keybinds
that you can press quickly
red ferry
torn gulch
ignore pain and shield block for defensive
thunder clap, revenge and shield slam for offensive
these need to go on main keybinds which are different for everybody
torn gulch
where is your thunder clap
and shield slam
nvm i see shield slam
and thunder clap
i play Q for ignore pain and e for shield block
then I have revenge on F2, thunder clap on F3 and shield slam on F6
and I have similar abilities on similar buttons for all characters I play
but that is just my system your can be different according to what you are more confortable with
I Have F1-F12 on my mouse together with Shift F1-F12 amd Ctrl F1-F12
torn gulch
I got used to mitigation on keyboard and offensive rotation on mouse but again that is just me
I have the problem with the number of key presses as well
I compared my logs with the best logs and I cannot clock over 80 cpm things are becoming too fast for me
I am getting old
👴
but if you think prot warrior has a lot of button presses you should see guardian druid
the simplest tank in the game but you have over 100 cpm and 40% of that is ironfur
my hands are crying
red ferry
lol
proper roost
if it helps apm always goes down at start of new expansion
i think having rotational buttons on mouse buttons is a major hamper to your cpm though; it's significantly more hand strain to press mouse buttons (unironic)
round pendant
You don't press shield block THAT often
red ferry
isnt that what makes it a good mouse choice
round pendant
I don't use mouse binds
I was replying to something ages ago my b
I always forget to scroll to the end
red ferry
i was in the spider city trying to pet some beetle dogs
and they kicked me out
toxic
round pendant
ignore ip on ctrl 2
if I were to play wow again I'd probably swap avatar and demo shout to ctrl q ctrl e instead
red ferry
holy i suck