protection

[mighty valley]

it does that too, it does all those things

[chilly brook]

spoiler alert, a lot of our biggest damage buttons are free rage, along with being beneficial defensively

[coarse bay]

Are you the most healed target of your healer?

[karmic vortex]

funnily enough, I was the less healed on the 10 I've done with this build

[coarse bay]

I mean if all youre doing is vault keys then like everyone said, you do you, anything works

[toxic gyro]

I mean you’re not playing to better build properly.
We’re all about mitigating, not healing.
You also don’t have much haste, don’t play shield charge, and play ITF. Your shield block uptime is probably ass and that’s the by far most important thing we care about as pwar.

[karmic vortex]

theres taunt and the high threat from TaN

[chilly brook]

You’re beyond help

[toxic gyro]

Some people are not willing to accept help and just live in their delusions.

[karmic vortex]

I'm just trying something leaning more on my playstyle, If it doesn't work I'll just keep on the Wowhead build like before (but my damage will be ass anyway because of my stats)

[jagged gust]

stat spread is a pretty minute portion of your dps

fury stats work pretty well for prot in general aside from the lower crit, which can generally be fixed by swapping your jewelry

[karmic vortex]

Isn't mastery the stat you should avoid at all as prot?

[jagged gust]

nope

mastery is good

[toxic gyro]

We like all the stats as prot, the more the better. Not BiS stats doesn’t mean your dmg will be ass. You’re losing probably few % at worse from your stats(sim angle). However you’re losing A LOT from playing shit talents. It’s few % per talent usually.
Again you can play whatever you want. I don’t want to sound like absolute asshole but you’re one of those warriors my lady hates to heal 40-60% sb uptime, taking insane amount of dmg, and possibly pull like it’s mdi run with no mob control.

[jagged gust]

though honestly I'd say even for fury your stats are a little wonky, both prot and fury would benefit from replacing some of that mastery with vers

[karmic vortex]

Personally I don't like to pull big mobs, but because of the key time limit I have to be a bit more dare

[karmic vortex]

funny that as a fury I feel that my dps is quite higher the more mastery I get, I know there's like a cap and stuff but it's a feeling

[jagged gust]

yeah its never a question of right or wrong, just optimization

but also you just said the trigger word

feelcraft

[karmic vortex]

I think it's better than datacraft, but it's like my opinion

[somber bison]

hello im a new warrior prot and i wanted too ask do i buy the boots or the trinket from Priory i saw that on wowhead it says trinket but i wanted too ask i don´t knwow if this is the place too ask?

[proud nimbus]

I know what you mean kinda like how my dmg feels higher after a priory and lower after streets

[jagged gust]

Yeah but you have to have realized by this point, there are staggeringly few people here who are willing to think outside the box

[undone beacon]

If you can buy myth boots it’s not the worst, but make sure you buy a Brand of Ceaseless Ire first

[somber bison]

i can´t buy myth items atm i have only done hc raid i have ire atm

[undone beacon]

Have you bought a heroic Brand yet? And do you do more raid or m+?

[somber bison]

i mosltey do m+

[undone beacon]

Then I would skip tome. It’s a very good ST/raid trinket, not so much M+. Heroic Reshii boots are worse than Myth normal boots

[somber bison]

so i would look to buy antenna?

[karmic vortex]

Yeah, I thought that was only a friend of mine, that's a more pro tank, that thought this way.

[undone beacon]

If you don’t have a myth Loomi kill I’d suggest Pacemaker or Soleahs myth track first. If you can’t buy myth M+ items, then it doesn’t matter too much. Pick up one of the three (pace/soleahs/antenna) or save the dinar until you can buy myth dungeon items

[somber bison]

i have done all 13s so i can buy myth m+

[jagged gust]

well tbf, there are a ton of pro hof/ce players round these hills

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah! Then I’d get pacemaker or Soleahs. Both are good statsticks, you can argue for either one

[somber bison]

ok Awesome ty 😄 i think i lean on pacemaker right

[undone beacon]

Pacemaker is good, but also hard to control when you get max value. I like Soleahs because it provides (a rather minimal) group benefit as it shares some of its stats, and its stats are just always on

In practice, they’ll do the same though

[somber bison]

true sharing stats is always good i do like your idea

[coarse bay]

😂 people are just trying to give u advice, using a bad build and feelcrafting isnt thinking outside of any box

[somber bison]

i bout the Soleahs 😄

[rigid yew]

Feelcrafting while accomplishing all your goals is giga chad.

[undone beacon]

Nice! Now go crush more keys with the power of PROTECTION RAAAA

[somber bison]

RAAA 😄

[karmic vortex]

Even when I was using the wowhead build my dmg was around the same and didn't feel comfortable, so I tried to something else 🤷‍♂️

[rigid yew]

I had the weirdest build in DF and got insulted for it and had a blast and accomplished everything I wanted to.
Too bad they deleted the build.

[karmic vortex]

They couldn't handle the power

I imagine what could be if there wasn't the talent tree locks and mandatory points to hero spec

[undone beacon]

Chaos in the streets

[karmic vortex]

that would be fun ngl

[jagged gust]

Blizz reaaaaally doesn't want that, prior to DF the talent tree was like 5 nodes with 3 choices

and it was basically one node is good for pve, one node is fun, and one node is good for pvp

[karmic vortex]

I'm from that time, it was a good time

it was simple, no button bloat for most classes

[coarse bay]

I mean, there were still better builds back then, but you couldnt talent out of your main defensive

[warm plinth]

Button bloat didn't come from the talent tree changes though. It came largely from the "depruning" or "unpruning" that they did in Shadowlands, which was before the talent trees being changed. Most of the abilities that classes/specs get in their trees are just things that used to be baseline.

[coarse bay]

Idk just disingenuous to say that only you and “pro tanks” like your friend are the only ones that “think outside the box” when it’s just an objectively worse build

[warm plinth]

I would agree. Run whatever build you want, but running an objectively worse build isn't thinking outside the box. Not conforming, sure, but thinking outside the box has a positive connotation to it. It doesn't mean doing something different and worse on purpose.

[karmic vortex]

My friend follows the build all you guys on this server use and use all the data thingies, he's doing 17+ these days I think, that's why we end up arguing cuz I'm trying something that I feel more comfortable and he uses data to prove I'm wrong even though I can still do stuff

[jagged pier]

doing a 10 and doing a 17 are not the same

and if u are doing the same damage with both builds

u are doing something fundementally wrong with the class, but getting by because the lvl of content u are doing isnt high enough, that mistakes cause an issue

good you're comfortable spamming IP and playing your build, you will ahve a breaking point u cant get past doing that

[nocturne spindle]

i also think it might be literally impossible to do most 17s on that build because shield wall lol

[jagged pier]

because spamming IP is not how u play the class

the class is literally not designed to be played that way

offensively or defensively

greats its work in 10s

@cerulean tusk when hes bored literally runs 10-12s with a 2 hander in prot spec

should u do that? no

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged gust]

see what I mean? They can't even think outside the box when it comes to thinking outside the box

[warm plinth]

I prefer to think outside the bun and get taco bell

[coarse bay]

I dont think everyone just copies a single build off wowhead, most people at a relatively high level will have personal changes in builds. But usually the choices aren’t detrimental to the class.

What everyone said is right, you may do 10’s with that, and probably any build, but that isn’t a measure of viability or strength.

In the end, if you’re completing the content you want, then it doesn’t matter.

[undone beacon]

Baja blast pie

[cerulean tusk]

My tldr answer would be:
Play and just have fun. Don't ruin others fun.

Haters gonna hate. As long you do your part in the content you do. Do whatever you want.

Note, that yes, I do silly stuff. All from 2h tanking to tanking in arms spec (sword and board), I still make sure to not waste anyone's time in a malicious manner.

If you experiment, always be prepared and have the meta spec ready to go. If it goes south then I always go out and respec, then go as normal.

If I do push content, I play it safe. Not necessarily the meta build, but one I have tested and proven.

So don't worry, even if peeps say you shouldn't experiment. I say you should, as long it doesn't harm others enjoyment playing the game

(disclaimer, even if I meme, I got the experience and knowledge to make it work as a baseline. If you don't, do light touches of your own twists)

[coarse bay]

Experimenting and trying things is obviously more than fine, my thing was the response to feedback lol

[karmic vortex]

It's not like I ignored them or something like that. It's just that I know how it works on a standard level and I have the proper build saved, but I've noticed that there were some skills I barely used so I thought of making a more passive route to make up for it.

Seriously I always forgot that SW was there and had to macro Shield Charge with Demo Shout to remember it exists

[coarse bay]

My suggestion would be weakauras or something to have those abilities somewhere with good visibility

[round pendant]

This just smells like cope

oh that's an hour old conversation

[round pendant]

Even the top players make goofy-ass talent choices

[undone beacon]

What is it they used to say on forums? Stop necro’ing this thread

[round pendant]

No

[karmic vortex]

[jagged gust]

I feel like we missed something in this convo

What would yoda do

[round pendant]

That's a great question

[karmic vortex]

If pain there's not, nothing to ignore there is

[waxen cradle]

Where are we realistically setting in terms of Vers right now as Prot ?

given I am capped at haste and pretty low on vers

by capped I mean the 20% dr

[warm plinth]

Can you clarify what you mean when you say you're at the 20% DR? What is your rating?

[waxen cradle]

25750 rating

[warm plinth]

Okay. Just checking as some folks think it's total % based rather than % from rating

Realistically, vers and crit both will take precedence over haste for damage before you actually want to stop getting haste. You need 21k for ItF (from a survival perspective). Anything after 21k is comfort but for damage purposes, crit and vers (and possibly mastery) are better for damage

I personally like to stay around 25k haste because I don't want to brain that hard about mini gaps

[waxen cradle]

Ah cool I see what your saying, just having quite few suggest I dump haste in favor of Vers

crit is 19k so I am more than happy there but vers is low

[warm plinth]

You can safely drop haste down to 21k and still be fine. Below that, even if sims say to drop more, you shouldn't unless you're doing trivial content.

Because it's a bigger loss to have to swap to Heavy Repercussions than it is to get a bit more haste instead of other stats

by a lot

[ocean token]

is it worth keeping up 100% ignore pain like reaching cap on the amount of it

[karmic vortex]

I'm not the best person to do such a take here. But in my opinion, yes.

[main smelt]

press w/e floats with the boat

[mighty valley]

for the most part you don't need to pay attention to ignore pain amount

just maximize rage gen, keep up shield block, and use IP to avoid overcapping rage

[ocean token]

yeah i do those already but just wondering how to get more damage out like is there a balance between revenge/ip usage

[frosty mango]

No

You’d revenge if your ip was already capped and you need to expend rage. But that’s not super impactful

And that’s also assuming you can’t execute

It’s very min maxy but technically speaking yes there are times when you would revenge. Typically when

You are above 70 rage
Shield slam is on cd
Thunderclap/blast is on cd
You cannot execute

There’s probably a breakpoint where revenge is technically more than execute when you’re not running execute talents but I’d be lying if I said I knew

[ocean token]

i see

thought i was trolling by getting IP to 100% and not using more revenge instead

[mighty valley]

the main thing is just making sure you never rage starve yourself to the point that you have dead GCDs

sometimes obsessing about IP uptime can cause that

[ocean token]

yeah i try to stay around 30/50 rage at all times

[fallow fern]

i just hit renown 18 with the Trust.. you guys think the augment rune is still worth 100k this late in season?

[half badger]

how does Nuleus work on prot war? what procks first trinket or battle-scarred veteran?

[cerulean tusk]

As you going to use it all the way into next expansion's release of a new rune dispenser. Yeah, ya prob will get your 100k gold worth out of it

[jagged pier]

it not worth it at all just dont buy it, will change nothing having it or not

[coarse bay]

Wrong class discord

[keen marten]

You're right, sorry. Removed.

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey never wiped at o.o1%

[mellow yarrow]

Does demo work for solo conquers?

[jagged pier]

Even at .01 like u can argue if u got like 2 more procs over a fight

Like the first rune they ever made, was enough stats to be worth it

But each time it seems to be less and less stats i swear

[jagged gust]

Each expansion I care less and less about 0.1% dps

They want me to pay essentially ~half the cost of my subscription in gold for that?

[cerulean tusk]

Its a 100k WoW gold its basically free

[jagged gust]

I consistently have about 10k gold across all my toons

It'd be less if it wasn't for free guild repairs

[coarse bay]

Nice

[jagged pier]

Thats more common than not

Blame the gobos controlling ah and crafting

[rancid knot]

anyone know if spellrefflect works on the tank hitt on bigg mom? (floodgate)

as a dr?

its nature dmg

or atleast the dott

[kind urchin]

It works for the DR, yes.

[barren basalt]

What intervene uses do we have in the current m+ season? Heard something about streets first boss and halkias shards in hoa?

It is also being play a lot in priory i see?

[primal pagoda]

hey =) what stat breakpoints i wanna have for high m+?

[strong forum]

aint no thing as definitive breakpoints of anything

just feelsgood values

which is starting around 21k haste you have a sufficient amount of shield block uptime with a few gaps that need to be covered by CDs or kiting or general smart use of SB

beyond that number every other stat is BASICALLY on a free-for-all

you like the consistent but low amount of damage reduction from vers?
you like the high damage output and very strong defensive effect for large pulls? crit is your friend
you want the defensively more consistent (due to bigger % gains in the stat) but not AS effective damage reduction as crit? its mastery

ideally you have a good healthy mix between those 3 not fully neglecting any of them

and since damage profiles in an forever scaling system like M+ and multiple different dungeons + routes + group setups are not something you can blanket answer with "yeah this is the best" truthfully, theres no proper answer

[grim pilot]

Priory for potshots, impale i think, first boss

For 2nd boss soak

Dk doesnt need anything except for ams

[tribal wharf]

its a shame wow isnt coming to xbox (yet, hopium), that, and i wish wow classic and probably retail is like, runescape strategy

you can play up to the -1 or -3 content patches for free and do certain parts of the game for free, but not super impactful stuff

HAVE to do extra if you want to 90% + auctionhouse gamer (what i mean is activate bnet application for phone)

they DO exist, trust me

[late trellis]

Is left side possible for prot warrior in 19-20 priory? As far as first boss tankbuster

We keep runing out of time on right side playing it safe and losing to first boss in kicks

[orchid narwhal]

You sorta answered your own question

If you're runniing out of time playing it safe in 19/20s

You need to stop playing as safe

Thats around the key level where you either do or die

That said, left side is doable, just dangerous, and idk if it'd be any faster than right side

[outer willow]

Is this true?

How is this not reflected in the tooltip?

First boss, Dawnbreaker - Obsidian Beam

[coarse bay]

Left side is slower and requires more kick coordination. If you’re playing safe on right side, then playing more aggro on right would be easier than going left

[coarse bay]

Afiak, that isnt true and people should just look to use a defensive when they can

Outside of tooltips you could test with logs but im pretty sure it doesnt work that way

[coarse bay]

And idk how sure you are on the right side section being what’s eating your time. There’s other optimizations throughout the dungeon, you can skip the first footmen in first pull if you arent already and grab one of the packs to the left of stairs into the pull

[dull zodiac]

do you guys think if vengeance still existed for tanks in retail it would break m plus?

[coarse bay]

It would be tuned around, not sure if it’s be broken if added currently

It’d probably make collosus much stronger

[hollow patio]

It’s not in the tooltip because it’s made up. The boss just got buffed this season. Used to be completely free but now it’s actually pretty hard to heal.

[grim pilot]

yep

its bs

[sonic sigil]

For the Last Breath of the Worldbreaker appearance, is it a daily lockout, and do I need to be level 80?

[weary frigate]

I tried searching i didn't see anyone talk about this. For people that push keys, is the dimensius ring worth getting at heroic over crafted ring? I didn't know how much defensive value it provides

[jagged pier]

I very much doubt it

[grim pilot]

no

any crafted/myth is better

[weary frigate]

Okay cool, thanks!

[merry condor]

does anyone know how the phaseblades in EDA behave on pull? specifically whether or not they charge you/random other people based on what you do? it seems random AF and is a nightmare when pulling/grouping

[mystic yoke]

hi guys, how do i best gather G10 pack into pull 1 without agging the snipers?

also pull 6, is that just an all at once big pull, or do i stagger it a bit?

[merry condor]

normally you follow the snipers around, going the same way, tag the group and run out as they are going back around

[mystic yoke]

oh interesting, and trust the pugs not to butt pull

[merry condor]

that sort of movement, 180deg offset from them

[mystic yoke]

i get ya

[merry condor]

or get someone to tag for you, but that is risky if pug

and re: pull6, its best if you can all at once, but only is feasible really with a dk

[mystic yoke]

do you lose time having to wait for the sinpers to be in positioin?

[merry condor]

otherwise you cant group the demo's up to stop their recast

[mystic yoke]

ok thank you, very helpful, appreciated 🙂

[merry condor]

not really afaik. i dont do that pull tho, but i feel like ive seen a vid of a tank doing it and its not more than 2-3s waiting

[mystic yoke]

nice, yeh i don't normally do this, but feel for 16-17s i need a slightly faster route

[grim pilot]

don't do solo divers

and it's fine

pull 5 to 3rd pull and 3 to 3rd boss

[mystic yoke]

gonna need to see that at the map mate, not sure what you mean, or how to get it in that order

[exotic flower]

they mean pull one of diver patrols into your 3rd pull, and the other patrol into swampface

The 2 diver patrols are pull 10 on your route

would also say its worth pulling more crabs and not doing the double demolitionists on pull 6 if ur not skipping last 2 spark dudes

[untold bane]

guys, can i have too much haste?

i entered -10% amount not sure if its correct

[mellow bridge]

you can go up to ~26k without issue

[toxic gyro]

No. Purely from dps perspective around 21-22k other stats gonna show higher, depends on your gear.
For m+ ~26k feels way better especially if you chain pull a lot.
I play with like 28k bc of my gear.

[willow gust]

hello everyone
little question : does the bleeds done by the trash mobs in m+ are considered as snapshotted or dynamic ?
I mean : if I SW prior the bleed, does it reduce the dmg done by this bleed during its full application ?

[mellow bridge]

nope, it's dynamic

[willow gust]

Thx

[proud nimbus]

21k and take ||bolster || to cover

[jagged gust]

Taking bolster at 21k for SB uptime is like building a dam to cover a papercut

[toxic gyro]

some chineese high warriors actually play it. Their builds are always cooked 😄

[mellow bridge]

bolster is completely fine for the high key playstyle of permachaining for 30 minutes

[sinful copper]

Pull 6 u hit a soldier with heroic throw next to the double demos. Then u LoS behind a pillar on top of the stairs you enter from

The demos will run over to u then u pull the rest of platform in

[proud nimbus]

i mean 8/120 is 6.66% uptime increase if you use it on cd

[mellow bridge]

why 8

it gives sb for 15s

[jagged gust]

Like every 1-2 minutes you'd have sub 1 second of SB downtime if you literally never leave combat for the entire dungeon

Technically it's correct, but again, dam and a paper cut

[toxic gyro]

If you play bolster you use it on cd pretty much for sb uptime. Regardless you use LS more or less on cd in higher keys.

[bright mortar]

hey, whats the build you guys would run for dmg in 12s? recently picked up pwar for fun and just copied the standard wowhead M+ build

nvm a quick glance at wclogs answered my question

[viscid lantern]

Which trinkets for parsing in heroic farm ?

[warm plinth]

The ones that sim best but probably tome and either brand or antenna/pace/soleah depending on fight length

[fleet flicker]

what you could also do is take g10 with pull 3

[muted sphinx]

coming from guardian druid > prot pally > Prot warrior - i was wondering what the general consensus is with macroing shield block into some abilities. druid discord is against it but personally never had a problem with it on either of those two classes. thanks yall

[undone beacon]

You don’t do that

And as a Druid you shouldn’t macro ironfur into your abilities. You can get away with it but it’s a bad habit

Warrior is all about proper rage management so, you don’t want to macro shield block into anything or you’re going to fuck your whole rage economy

[dusky canopy]

If you macro shield block to your abilities you will cast it on cooldown and the result will be gaps in your shield block uptime and un controlled gaps means significantly more likely to have unblocked hits

[outer willow]

Emphasis on fucking your rage economy

[dusky canopy]

It is not the same as iron fur

You must manage it properly to succeed in an challenging level of content

If you’re a +7 hero and don’t really give a shit then do whatever you want

Healer can keep you alive

[proper roost]

physically pains me to know that this person is macroing sotr to their abilities

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s wild 😂

[proper roost]

these are your M+ tanks

[dusky canopy]

Depends on the content truly

[proper roost]

never heal with a knowledge of how to play tank

you actually get driven insane

there's bad habits (ironfur) and there's actual insanity (sotr)

[undone beacon]

I macro ironfur into SOTR and SB just to be safe

[muted sphinx]

brother, are you also telling me not to macro spell reflection into pummel?

[undone beacon]

I do not know if you are being genuine but

[proper roost]

lol

[undone beacon]

The only macro suggested for prot is the shield slam + IP macro to snipe shield slam resets from IP casts

Which replaces your IP bind but not your SS bind

[proper roost]

i hope class discords never change

being too autistic to recognize a joke is peak class discord

god bless ya

[undone beacon]

You say that but there are some absolute braindead people who come into these chats so unless I know you I'm going to assume you're being both genuine and stupid lol

I'd rather look like a dumbass and try to be helpful than always be a condescending prick

[proper roost]

authenticity is valuable and good

i think you did good and that guy is trying to save face

but i also think it's very funny

[muted sphinx]

tbh i think the ironfur thing is fine, and the pally i did my 3k and have no problem doing 12-13s for weekly. squishvegan doing the most and he keybinds it. so i think there's an argument to made that the pros can outweigh the cons of something like that. Though, with warrior, its a bit different as there's two things to spend rage on versus the one for pally / bear. i think asking the question i knew the answer. just wanted to see if there was the squishvegan of warriors getting away with it.

[proper roost]

oh boy

i do feel like WoW class discords are uniquely interesting case studies in ego in that people will come in asking for advice without ever actually wanting to improve in a way that challenges their mindset of how to improve or what improvement looks like

[muted sphinx]

and i was deadass about the reflect macro lol. i feel like most people have these talents and dont ever use them, at least i would have great uptime. i think was my thought process for the reflect thing

[coarse bay]

If you macro spell reflect and kick, arent u kicking the spell you want to reflect? Lmao

And you can do any macroing you want for 12-13s, if you are completing the content you want to do and you arent being a pain for the other people completing the content with you, then you do you. People are just saying that it isn’t suggested and would build poor habits

[undone beacon]

Spell Reflect macro'd into kick is not only counterproductive, but SR is your main source of magic damage mitigation so you want to not just throw it on CD but use it strategically

[muted sphinx]

i was thinking that kicks are often going to mess up reflect. kicks are often used up on the same enemy, this way if kicks were messed up or w/e at least i would have the spell reduction (in the event is was targeting me)

[coarse bay]

High uptime on something like reflect doesnt mean useful uptime

[chilly brook]

I love when bosses decide that they don't need to follow aggro tables

[muted sphinx]

true

[coarse bay]

Better to slowly work on improving it and getting more and more uses as you practice

[undone beacon]

Yeah you dont want to go for high uptime on SR, you want to use it properly

[muted sphinx]

yea as i try to use tactics that i got away with on the other classes im definitely seeing that i cant get away with that shit on warrior. time to get good

[undone beacon]

aggro on this stupid dragon is a nightmare I stg

[coarse bay]

Technically you wouldnt want to do those on other classes either

[chilly brook]

fr like wtf was that lmao

[proper roost]

isn't 3k at this point in the season like

extremely easy

my friend said he has done it with like a 705 priest 🥴

[undone beacon]

Warrior is about proper rage managment, knowing when to use your CDs, and getting as high uptime on Shield Block as you possibly can. Macroing things together ruins all three of those goals. Just sit down and read the abilities front to back and it makes pretty logical sense as a spec

[proper roost]

i just feel like citing you did X io is kinda like

oof

Not a good argument

[muted sphinx]

meant to just give the 3k a reference to the type of keys i do normally so i could get a more tailored answer to the keys i run

[undone beacon]

The other night I swear to god I taunted the dragon twice and it still didnt come to me like wtf. Weird shit

[chilly brook]

yes and so is 3.5k, but once you get into 13+ keys all of a sudden it's full of shit players who are behind the curve and only there because their gear so it's artificially difficult

[tribal wharf]

i feel like, you know how wow is making its own in game damage meter, it should be like, if you are in a healer spec, it changes to a healing meter, with personal threat number vs raid boss, and if tank, it should be dps meters with threat numbers of you and any other co tanks

[undone beacon]

huh

[chilly brook]

useless

it should just be what you want to set it to, tracking threat isn't meaningful outside of having some way to know if you're losing threat on a mob

[tribal wharf]

maybe it does that by defualt just have to set it

[undone beacon]

also if you do the ironfur macro with the midnight changes you'd actually be trolling so, again habits and the likes

[proper roost]

i do think like, starting with bear is the best possible way to not learn how to play tank correctly

[coarse bay]

At any level of content, I’d still suggest trying to learn the proper way to play.

[proper roost]

since ironfur (currently) is tuned around a different use style

[muted sphinx]

for sure, im not defending the bad habbit take, its biting me in that ass now thats for sure

[undone beacon]

Thorns of Iron and its consequences have been a disaster for the bear race

[muted sphinx]

100%

[coarse bay]

If you have to brez as bear or pally but you have the macros, what are you doing?

[undone beacon]

not brezzing 4head

[proper roost]

i'm pretty convinced that blizzard is convinced that all bear players only have half a braincell to rub together

[coarse bay]

Cables

[muted sphinx]

take a second to rebuild with an ability that doesnt spend

[coarse bay]

Ez

[tribal wharf]

let the paladin do it

[undone beacon]

hey theyre cooking for midnight. We now have two braincells to rub together. Thats a big increase

[coarse bay]

I dont think any of the tanks take many brain cells outside of learning how to gather on each of them

[tribal wharf]

if bear is half a brain cell to play warior is 3/4 brain cell to play

[undone beacon]

i cast moonfire

https://tenor.com/view/flashlight-carbot-malfurion-moonfire-mercenary-camp-gif-17533217

[tribal wharf]

my favorite way to play bear is the blue outspace beam one

whatever ability that is

you can cast it in bearform spam

that and some blue leaf button that heals you for 30%

[proper roost]

yes

that's why you can just transfer tank knowledge between all of them

you can't really transfer dps knowledge as perfectly at a very high level (and if you think you can, you literally just don't play at a high enough level)

all tanks are easy, but like, bear is kinda. you can really get away with the IF macroing, which is sad

[tribal wharf]

for me monk beyond a lvl 4 keystone requires 18 braincells

[proper roost]

i'm glad they are improving bear in midnight but also I'm skeptical

[tribal wharf]

below a lvl 4 keystone requires 1/10 braincell power

[proper roost]

like I said, my conspiracy theory is that I think blizzard intentionally keeps bear as the dumbest to play tank on purpose

[outer willow]

I wouldn’t say extremely, but it’s definitely easier than it was a month ago.

[undone beacon]

I mean, its not bad to have a simpler tank to help ease newer players into tanking. New tanks get a lot of tanxiety so its nice to have an option, plus they can add a bit of complexity in later with things like proper cat/ripweaving (which is probably dead in midnight tbh but I digress)

[coarse bay]

Tank difficulty doesnt lie in the rotation, I’d just always suggest trying to get muscle memory and try to learn the proper way. It you are macroing and completing your content, then dont let anybody tell you how to play your game

[tribal wharf]

hang on

[proper roost]

hey hey, I did not say it was a bad thing

just that bear has been "ugh, macroing IF isn't actually that much of a performance loss" for years

[undone beacon]

Yeah. It doesnt help that bear has been out of M+ meta for a while so theres not a lot of good bear M+ rep at the highest level, and squishvegan infamously has admitted he doesnt care that he's playing suboptimally by macroing IF into his abilities, he just runs a fuck ton of keys

There are some really good bears out there but they dont stream so

Gnomerender/Dreamrage my goat

I must be the change I wish to see in the world and become a guardian druid slop creator

Daily high energy slop videos in youtube shorts "TODAY we have discovered some CRAZY new tech for GUARDIAN DRUIDS in WORLD OF WARCRAFT: MIDNIGHT"

[tribal wharf]

okay, okay i found it

[tribal wharf]

@ bear players

manually clicking things on the bar, tanking for a raid

raid unknown but im sure there is context clues

[undone beacon]

how did you get this video of me

[undone beacon]

thats aberrus

the more i watch this clip the more pain I feel

[proper roost]

wow youtubers are so funny

[tribal wharf]

i was in a guild and i joined the discord, never typed a single message

[proper roost]

i am staunch in my belief that it's one of the worst games to watch streamed ever

[tribal wharf]

one day i saw they were doing a raid so i looked at the raid

and this is what i caught

[proper roost]

and I will never understand people who watch wow streams

[undone beacon]

you dont love watching a stream with constant random noises and wa flashes going off all the time???

[proper roost]

it's so fucking boring

[undone beacon]

I only boot up streams to get twitch drops lol

[proper roost]

i just don't understand how people watch streams

it's so boring, especially raid streams

[undone beacon]

I assume most people put them on as background noise

[proper roost]

key streams can sometimes be interesting if you're studying them but that's pretty specific (and also I'd prefer videos anyway so you can skip around from pull to pull, obviously)

[undone beacon]

A good friend in my guild decided to become a wow key streamer

He burnt himself out in like two weeks and hasnt logged back into wow at all this season

[proper roost]

man I really thought "bind kick and spell reflect" was a joke

why would you want to kick the spell you're spell reflecting

😭

[undone beacon]

Told ya, you can never be too sure lmao

[proper roost]

it's literally the perfect setup to a joke macro

we taught him the wrong macro, as a joke

[undone beacon]

Spell Reflect and Pummel walk into a macro

[proper roost]

girl i been on class discords since you were but a twinkle in your parents' eyes 😔 i've seen it all and more

but that one is like, literally a meme

half convinced they saw it as a joke somewhere and went "aha a good idea"

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-gif-19157275

[proper roost]

man dreamgrove really doesn't teach you guys how to meme properly

[undone beacon]

we dont meme in dreamgrove we're super serious n shit

we have to put our half a brain cell to WORK

[proper roost]

you gotta get your shit together buddy

[undone beacon]

never

you're not my mom

[proper roost]

are you sure about that

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[proper roost]

😏

careful with your dad buddy

[orchid narwhal]

i think more than anything

it tgoes to show how little what u do matters if ur alive and pulling things properly

[proper roost]

yeah, i mean, it is true that the biggest dtps reduction is killing things faster >

[orchid narwhal]

true

but also i feel like people undersell how much of a load u can reduce on ureslf by pressing less buttons

the less u do button press, the mroe u can do shotcall, check timers, check cds and do stuff cleanly

if ur losing idk 5% dps who cares if ur gaining 10% in everything else

[mighty valley]

this is how we got to external raid leaders

[coarse bay]

Almost nobody needs external raid leaders

[mighty valley]

but for normal people, it's good enough to just be so practiced on your spec that you don't need to devote brain to pressing the buttons

[orchid narwhal]

Yea

Idk how good I have to be to get to that point

But idk one day i'll get there I suppose

[proper roost]

for a tank it's pretty easy

[orchid narwhal]

idk i do fairly decent in raid and still have to look a good bit

[proper roost]

Macroing stuff to do less button presses is like

not good

[orchid narwhal]

laughing its not that bad

if u can average a 99 while doing it how bad can it really be

[proper roost]

I think it's safe to say it's a general expectation at CE levels, even really casual CE, that no one has to look much

parses 🥴

[orchid narwhal]

well we are talking about damage for less buttons right

[proper roost]

🥴

I am afraid to say that WoW is the type of game where you literally don't know how bad you are until you finally know

[coarse bay]

That’s an overestimation of late ce

[proper roost]

maybe lol

having to "look" at your rotation is like

something i would expect if you played the game for the first time pretty much

especially for tank rotations

[orchid narwhal]

yeah i think u are vastly overestiamting the average WoW player LOL

even the average CE raider

[proper roost]

I don't really care about the average player, the average player never steps into mythic content

It is very safe to say that anyone actively seeking out class discords cares about being much better than that

I've played with plenty of super late CE players though and honestly none of them have been "I need to look at my rotation" though

[orchid narwhal]

do they do well in raid

[proper roost]

that is pretty far down on the basics

[spice musk]

hey im normally fury and tanked just here and there the last years. Was 15 years main tank until shadowlands. And tanked last season for the +10 all dungeons achievo. Wanna do this now again. But WoW head has so many Build for talents

[proper roost]

I'm sorry, if you think parses are meaningful evaluators of performance then it is a self-report of your skill level

[spice musk]

that i dont know which is best suited for that

[coarse bay]

There are average ce players that would see performance increases by using hekili

[orchid narwhal]

Mmm, it is meaningful in telling whether somebody knows how to press their buttons

[proper roost]

lol

[orchid narwhal]

You don't think so?

[orchid narwhal]

If you have 4set, its MT builds, if you don't colossus is fine

[orchid narwhal]

Generally for doing 10s, any content will work

[spice musk]

weekly or push key? 🙂

[orchid narwhal]

Well 10-12s are considered weekly keys

[spice musk]

kk

[orchid narwhal]

But if you'd like to be extra safe, feel free to take the push key talent tree

[spice musk]

Ah so push key is more defense? I thought maybe more offensive for more dps

[orchid narwhal]

Let me go double check for you and I'll tell you

[undone beacon]

Push key build drops execute talents for more defense/consistency yes

[orchid narwhal]

The push key takes a cheat death so its slightly more defensives

[undone beacon]

Weekly build goes all in on execute for bigger dam

[spice musk]

mhh ok

i try when i die i go extra safe next time thx

[orchid narwhal]

Good idea

Good luck friend

If you want further feedback, feel free to log yoru keys and come back later and post em 🙂

[undone beacon]

Fair fair. Have at it

[spice musk]

i just use my mythic fury gear but have bad weapon and shield

wanna see how it performs 😄

[undone beacon]

Big craft a shield moment

[orchid narwhal]

If you c an get the crests to craft a shield, would help a lot

[spice musk]

have more crests then i would ever need

But Vailor is always the struggle

[orchid narwhal]

Felt that brother

if you can't transfer em, then just run some keys and you'll get enough eventually hopefully

[undone beacon]

Go check all the rep vendors, might have some turn ins still

[spice musk]

i mean it should be fine

[undone beacon]

That shield is hella sketch

Shield is your #1 most important high priority item

[tribal wharf]

for pwar shield is extra important to keep up

[proper roost]

he's a fury main 😔

[spice musk]

Ya 15 years as almost all time raid lead and main tank was enough xD

especially since people just throw shit at somone. Now i can brain afk do dps xD

[jagged gust]

I really enjoy watching tank advice streams and seeing them hold on to their DPS CDs for 30-60s

It's a guilty pleasure

[spice musk]

Good you dont watch mine right now. im just panic press buttons and try to learn xD

[proper roost]

i just think it's crazy that in the year of our lord 2025 people care what streamers have to say about gearing

[tribal wharf]

for me for the longest time when playing warrior it was warrior weapon like with hunter weapon

everything imaginable i could convince ppl to trade me for appearance would

[jagged gust]

It's the right play, ilvl is temporary, transmogs are forever

[dusky canopy]

I once was a streamers are gospel player

I think most people go through that phase

[proper roost]

yeah I remember.

smh.

[tribal wharf]

nah, i never had that moment cuz i figured the athene thing out relatively fast

[proper roost]

i'm glad you and nimchip are less worse players now

just joking nimchip is pretty good

[undone beacon]

streamers are invaluable and all my opinions on everything in my life gets determined by my favorite streamers

[dusky canopy]

😂

[undone beacon]

I superchat Asmongold and ask him what to eat for dinner every day

[tribal wharf]

i would crash out on stream

which is why no stream

[jagged gust]

I get bored halfway through my 2nd dungeon of the day, I could never stream

[undone beacon]

cancelled on twitter.com after one stream

yeah i dont have the stamina to stream im too all over the place

[jagged gust]

Unless it's like a wow+gardening stream, run a 15, go for a smoke and trim my tomatoes

maybe its an untapped market

[undone beacon]

stream stardew and wow at the same time

[dusky canopy]

I find myself leaned in 10 inches from the screen with drool dripping onto the keyboard and a crayon up one nostril idk how entertaining that would be

[proper roost]

there are people into that, unfortunately

if there are people who would excuse blood wall, they'll excuse anything

[dusky canopy]

[jagged gust]

could be a ho streamer, my first couple streams I'd get a couple dozen viewers pretty much instantly if I wore an open button plaid shirt

[proper roost]

man i'm too washed to be shit talkin

gotta unwashed myself so i can be extra condescending again

🫡

people in here defending raid tanking parses in the year of our lord 2025

so fucked up man

[tribal wharf]

i was playing crash bandicoot 1 for ps1 (not the remake) and i was crashing out on island 1, took me like 1 hour to get to end of temple ruins

[jagged gust]

The only parsing that truly matters

[tribal wharf]

game is hard as hell

[dusky canopy]

Bro kanga added me in season one and his Rsham was only 2500

Big yapper supreme

[proper roost]

wat da hell

Oh wait, you mean in TWW

[dusky canopy]

😜

[proper roost]

fucked up that i peaked in s2 dragonflight

[jagged gust]

ew

imagine peaking in ulda

[dusky canopy]

Oooff

[proper roost]

I didn't have to imagine

[tribal wharf]

uldaman was peak tho

[proper roost]

also i think that was s3

[tribal wharf]

ever since vanilla wow

[jagged gust]

og ulda was vibes

[tribal wharf]

big stone persons attack you and you die

dwarfs rocks, mines, what more can you ask for

[jagged gust]

dont forget the indiana jones memes

[tribal wharf]

i still think classic wow should be free to play up to lvl 45

i dunno if denying them the mount is unfair

[jagged gust]

idk about classic but i remember vanilla mounts were hella pricey

wonder how long it would take to farm for a mount these days

[tribal wharf]

ah, my strategy is very simple for gold

mining rocks all day long, sell them at auction house

[proper roost]

something about s1 TWW really did not jive with me

i forget what though

think I was just really busy last year

[tribal wharf]

ahck good god

everyone is doing merch

even hsr , i declare merch fatigue

[spice musk]

ok one 11 and one 10 in time i think i good to do the achievo

[jagged gust]

S1 TWW was peak for me, all went downhill from there

Took me all of 2 weeks to give up on m+ this season

[proper roost]

based

if the game's not fun, hit da bricks!

[undone beacon]

I’m just waiting patiently for new RoR2 dlc tomorrow

[jagged gust]

that game is still updating?!

[proper roost]

zamn

games that are like a year old kinda slap tbh

friend and I got really into v rising literally a whole year late
now with a buncha patches!

skips all the random buggy shit people dealt with

[undone beacon]

Yeee new DLC tomorrow, Alloyed Collective. Looks very promising

[barren basalt]

Kan ju intervene dashing strike in ara?

[outer willow]

Time to boot up divinity os2 again

[jagged gust]

oh dang, I forgot about that game. Think I dropped it after beating the first act boss, got a little too same-y with all the fights

[late trellis]

Is the stoneburn slasher (gargoyle/bird) worth pulling in the 20/21 hoa?

my only fear is the disrupting shout killing people if I pull it with a houndmaster

[proper roost]

it's legal to have bad opinions... 😔

[strong forum]

Dos2 is insanely good, especially the combat is soo nice

[empty nimbus]

Anyone have any tips for p3 dimensius as a prot war for the shadowquakes? Is it just required to get an external from a healer + spell reflect to live those or can you survive on your own?

[frigid plume]

2 stack is fine with just wall SR, 3 stacks are livable if you heal before the 3rd stack with healthpot/healthstone/victory rush but it's a lot more consistent/less execution heavy if you can just call an external if you have to take a 3 stack

[grim pilot]

No

[raw whale]

Stand between the 2 rings, shield wall + spell reflect. Back a bit to delay the 3rd -> move and leap to your assigned position for tank smash/gravity

[round pendant]

I beat the game, didn't like it

[empty nimbus]

Thank you so much!! Our guild is getting to dimmy for our alt raid finally and I’m used to brewmaster monk which has a much easier time on that mechanic

[arctic marten]

When looking at M+ logs, why do players not use the Heavy Handed talent?

[trail marten]

I use it for lower keys, but from what I understand there's two builds, one that takes it and other execute talents (for weekly keys) and one that for goes all execute talents for more defensive potential and survivability (for higher keys). If you take Massacre and Heavy Handed you end up losing the points you could put into Battle Scared Vet for instance.

That's just my understanding tho, I'm new to prot.

[surreal loom]

Do we have a way of generating some threat while mounted? Maybe a pot of some kind?

[strange dirge]

why did everyone start to play Bolster and Shield Spec in high m+?

[jagged pier]

do u want the real answer?

[toxic gyro]

Shocking disclosure potion

[jagged pier]

cause that is literally the number 1 person ran it

but it makes sense, u dont get much out of bloodbourne

so swapping that for bolster to cover SB gaps

good idea

[strange dirge]

k thanks a lot, and Shield Specialization? isnt it considered weak?

[surreal loom]

Ty!

[jagged pier]

no its the best defesnive talent we have (well one of)

and why we never recommended dropping it in the first place

[toxic gyro]

But but yoda played without it

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm less upset about the whole bolster thing (because the alternative is basically nothing) than the shield spec thing

[toxic gyro]

Or was it Kira 🤔

[strange dirge]

I swear 1 month ago noone on murlok.io was running it

[jagged pier]

go back to my first line

in the response

just because they are doing it doesnt mean its correct

[warm plinth]

Ok like, this is how builds are generated in wow (on websites like that)

[jagged pier]

we have never said dont run shield spec

[warm plinth]

One top player does something

Other top players try it too

[strange dirge]

k thanks @jagged pier

[warm plinth]

People see "all top players running x"

It trickles down to the rest of the community

[jagged pier]

and i spend my life trying tio explain that

[warm plinth]

Now you understand why data aggregation sites in this sphere are horseshit

[undone beacon]

but murlok says it themselves its a guide to reflect the best builds and nobody would ever be wrong on the internet

[jagged pier]

i mean the build they were using was the highest simming talent build without execute talents and that could take BSV

but it was like 1-3% more damage in aoe

and less on ST

to then take far more damage

[undone beacon]

I mean, people at the bleeding edge that can play at the highest skill level can get away with little optimizations like that

But the wider community sees that and assumes they're on the same level as Kira or Yoda

And then they become the tanks people complain about pugging :3

[proper roost]

why are you bleeding all over that edge

chill!

[jagged pier]

edges are sharp

[proper roost]

typical bear player behavior (runs into sharp objects)

[undone beacon]

:(

My large bear body cannot see all the sharp objects

https://tenor.com/view/bear-run-stutter-fast-smug-rave-gif-18430984182494984776

[proper roost]

large body, small brain

bad combo

[dusky canopy]

You had me at large body

[quasi lintel]

@warm plinth Can you explain how mastery is not a bad stat? I saw this Gnome warrior about 3700io running mastery as a main stat and I'm wondering if mythic saladhaar neck is more viable than I think it is

[cerulean tusk]

Mastery isn't bad, as it grants you more shieldblock value through crit block. Some value through AP.

Crit block doubles your block, like a crit does your damage. It can grant up to 80% DR.

More mastery, more crit blocks, less damage taken. It is quite consistent at higher values

[naive panther]

I currently have crit mast and verse pretty close

sim wise the mastery was useful as well

[cerulean tusk]

DPS is just sim yourself, AP value is AP value

[naive panther]

actually have it haste, mast, verse, crit

[cerulean tusk]

Fury stats

I was way ahead of you, love 😘 @warm plinth

[naive panther]

Actually offered a ring in box that will drop my mast a ton, but give me a nice haste crit increase. but also have alpha ring I stopped wearing for this fasle accuser before because it simmed higher by a lot

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, if you minmax dam, follow Sims if you don't have a gameplan

If you just want to feel like a brick Vs autos, mastery/crit is so good

[quasi lintel]

Well, I have a 730 one-hand/shield but the 1h is HAST/mast and the shield is crit/MAST. Wondering if I should open my vault as prot for a chacne at crit/haste or if its worth to just roll arms for offspec. Already have Myth Brand/Tome, need antenna jic

[warm plinth]

They pretty much explained it already

[quasi lintel]

sim everything

and mastery is not as bad as I think it is

[warm plinth]

I just change my name to accommodate common mistakes or misconceptions and this is the most recent one I came up with lol

[cerulean tusk]

I might be the only other mastery enjoyer in here

[warm plinth]

Stems from the wow mentality of if a stat is last on the priority list, it must be shit

When that's not the case

I got a raise today at work

[quasi lintel]

Fuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkk...... My neck and pants are both 717 and I just got salhadaar's folly and myth pants in the vault...

Salhadaar's folly is very rare but the pants give main stat

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

[jagged gust]

Drinks on the doot!

[warm plinth]

Everyone knows bears can't read

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-minecraft-cute-cute-bear-gif-17112127005941462201

[quasi lintel]

I need approval from the council

[quasi apex]

Hey!
New prot warry alt is in the making. I main ppal and bdk (3.4k and 3.1k 3/8m both). Gear is 685 with bis trinks (brand&antenna) and 4 set. Stats are fairly balanced with the exception of haste is near 20k.
My friend said that tanking 10s with this gear is bare minimum… and he did it, even tho it he was boosted hard by me.
Q: how much does pwar rely on dps bursting the pack down compared to other tanks with more sustain?
Should I have 2-3 sec rotational gaps even with 20k haste and pressing procs on revenge and execute? Is it a haste or skill issue?

(Sorry for huge intro)

[next axle]

This ring on hero track, or upgrading hero antenna to myth antenna

[naive panther]

what would you use the ring for? raiding?

[quasi lintel]

also we took too long with Salad prog and we're not getting raid vault till we get CE

[next axle]

Yes, I only care about raiding set atm

[warm plinth]

Rotational gaps come from overspending on Ignore Pain; IP is not a maintenance buff. Press it if you go over 70 rage. The cap is irrelevant. You will have well over 80% uptime on it playing this way and won't feel rage starved.

To answer the other question, we are the mitigation tank. We excel at preventing damage before it happens. Generally if you feel unstable, it's because something is happening that you should have pressed a defensive for.

If the pack is dealing primarily autos/other blockable damage to us, we can pretty much be fine indefinitely. If there are bleeds or magic damage, less so, but that's where defensives come in

[quasi lintel]

Anyone? Pls?

nvm

[coarse bay]

Sim

Run hardmode before choosing, maybe u get pants

[undone beacon]

Cool, was sitting on enough bronze to buy out the rest of the event and still have 400k leftover

[quasi apex]

Thx for the detailed answer😁

[lofty warren]

I have fresh 80 in remix is there a faster way to get currency to buy stuff than just spamming heroic dungeons with + blue quest from dragon?

[mighty valley]

if you start clearing out the questing and dungeon achievements to get infinite knowledge, you'll also get a lot of bronze caches along the way

and do your blue research quests from dragon as you go

[proper roost]

grats on the raise ghash

[hybrid gust]

is 36% (20874) crit unbuffed too much?

[coarse bay]

Only if your sim tells you to get rid of some crit in favor of other gear

[undone beacon]

maybe, maybe not. Sim it

[proper roost]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[untold isle]

yo guysm is shield charge tracking on warcraft logs on dimensius bugged?

[frosty mango]

It only counts if you move

This has been a longstanding bug with wcl

Iirc if your character traverses 0 distance then it doesn’t show properly

I may have that backwards but it is indeed bugged in logs

[dry skiff]

someone please tell me what could i have done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RXqmw8Bv6At3gCac?fight=284&type=deaths&source=2488&death=2

this is my 9th char and i never had to use defensive on fracture before

[elder viper]

myth track non raid boots or hero track raid boots?

[coarse bay]

Myth

[frigid plume]

fracture applies a debuff that doubles your damage taken from fracture and you took two in a row cause the other tank died so you needed to wall the second one

[fallow fern]

Curious, is it worth it to actually reach 730 ilvl.. i.e. getting rid of crafted/embellish pieces.. or is 730 not really feasible cause better off keeping the embellished items?

Being 730 just sounds better than 729.8ish lol

[undone beacon]

Embellishments on belt/bracers are going to be worth more than the three ilvls

but its minor all-in-all so do wahtever you want

Whether you use thread 727 wrists or normal 730 wrists wont make or break your gameplay

[jagged gust]

sometimes its fun to have max ilvl

[undone beacon]

we dont play this game to hgave fun we play this game to minmax until we weep

[oak ivy]

Is there any rhyme or reason to why/when dimmy gets an extra auto in

sometimes he just cheats a swing in while i'm positioning to drop puddle and still have the debuff

strangely these swings do not feature fists of the voidlord it's just a white hit

[outer willow]

Would it be crazy to purchase a hero lomthars and replace my mythic seaforium to run 13s for a friend? She’s having a hard time healing the first boss of DB, and I think I can help that way.

I’m ilvl 725, so it won’t break me at all

Just trying to think of any way to assist

[heavy sparrow]

No. Just get better people to dps

[outer willow]

U right. Ty

[fallow fern]

where would you find Taz hard mode groups? do they get posted under "Custom" or something else?

[ionic fern]

Mostly see them under regular m+ queue.

[errant wagon]

fellas. For the 2nd mini boss in Ara-Kara, the one that does the shriek and spawns adds.
i've been plagued with +20 attempts where the adds spawn and just one-tap my DPS.
I am holding a thunderblast every single time and I click it the millisecond I see those red bars

but still DPS just take threat. what on earth can I do better

do the DPS just need to literally not click a single button.

[jagged gust]

their aggro table is whacky

It feels like their threat table doesn't start until after they land

[errant wagon]

It's absurd to be honest

I feel like I have no control

do i need to CC or something first, like shockwave?

[naive panther]

stun them

[errant wagon]

didn't really think about that till just now, so guess I will lead with a shockwave first, then TB

[naive panther]

but dps needs to be mindful, but if you have a tb and stun should be good

[errant wagon]

think TB -> stun, or stun -> TB

the global seems to be quite important

[mellow bridge]

I stun them mid-air and then tb when they're on the ground

Seems to work decently well

Can also aoe taunt mid air

[grim pilot]

You can just TB them if your timing is right

I've had 0 deaths from that

Just need to hold gcd

[errant wagon]

do you need to do it while they are all in the air still?

[grim pilot]

You wait till they kind of settle

[errant wagon]

like they are kinda clumped mid air at the start, you hit it then, or do you wait for their positions to be statico n the ground

see I swear to god I'm doing this and just still insta taps

[grim pilot]

If you do it while they're mid air your're not generating aggro

[errant wagon]

let me drop a clip to show how fast my DPS got insta tapped

like the adds touched the ground and just instantly dead

granted I didn't save my TB here, so this is my bad

but how fast those adds tapped the mage just seems unreal

[grim pilot]

yeah that's very weird

i can say i've never had any issue with it ever, but it does seem kinda inhuman to react to that

is this standalone issue or is it always like that for you

[errant wagon]

I'd say this was probably the quickest it's ever happened, so it took me off guard. But it does feel quite fast usually

I think I will literally just not click a single button and just full tunnel a giga-timed TB

lol

[grim pilot]

Also what you can check

On logs

Is which crawlers exactly killed your mage

There is a chance old ones killed him when new ones spawned and you lost aggro, adds from that miniboss are kinda iffy with aggro (if you go too far into 3rd miniboss too early you just lose all aggro)

[dry skiff]

hmmm dear raiders, what weakaura do you see to track your debuffs in raid ? i've had couple of situations where i didnt fail but i didnt know how i died ( like 2x fracture at soul hunters )

[jagged pier]

the bliz default ones

[restive jackal]

Hello guys, I have mythic shield from great vault from m+ crit mastery and today got other shield mythic from great vault from m+ same with crit mastery but with avoidance this time is good for us avoidance?

[restive jackal]

We need leech or avoidance for war prot ? What is more important ?

[hallow phoenix]

Neither is needed. If there's another upgrade in your vault I'd take that over the same piece but with avoidance

[restive jackal]

If is not so big important the shield with avoidance I can peek the helmet myth because I use heroic version with socket

[mellow bridge]

Definitely take the helm

[restive jackal]

take it

[jagged gust]

Avoidance is the worst of the good tertiaries

[rancid wren]

Is it possible to have a macro for shield slam and thunderclap?

[jagged pier]

nope

[frosty mango]

#showtooltip
/cast Shield Slam

Works just like the real thing!

/s

[past summit]

What do you guys think about taunting? I have noticed a lot of tanks are taunting off other tanks in pugs, even when there is no reason to ... no mechanic that needs to be taunted. Does anyone else feel like taunts should be reserved for when a dps or heal has aggro?

[ionic fern]

A DPS or healer will never have agro in raids unless the tank is afk.

You taunt when a mechanic required you to taunt. A lot of people don't know all the mechanics tho,so they sometimes taunt randomly.

[undone beacon]

Is it actual taunts going off or is it ripping aggro from the other tank?

Sometimes I want to go thrash a normal on my 730 and the other tank is like 690 and has zero chance in hell of holding aggro against me

[proper roost]

tank ego smh

[undone beacon]

I know, the worst

[proper roost]

i thought you were better than this

[undone beacon]

I'm a bear idk why you expected much

https://tenor.com/view/bear-minecraft-cute-cute-bear-gif-17112127005941462201

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto I hit gold in wild rift and it instantly became trash imagine that 😂

Can’t tower dive as JG anymore the gold mobile players wisened up

[proper roost]

zamn

you're really league of legends pilled

hope that improves sorry about that

[dusky canopy]

I think it’s because turbo boost slingshotted me to max gear and now I’m bored

Usually I daily log WoW for dungeons and heroic parse shenanigans but that spark ain’t there for some reason

That’s what needs to improve

It’s okay I’ll wake up randomly at some point and won’t be able to get enough WoW again

[proper roost]

there's a billion other good games than league and wow tho

[dusky canopy]

True Wife and I are planning to couch “coop” the harry potter game during Christmas break

[undone beacon]

Risk of Rain 2 DLC came out yesterday

Its pretty baller

[dusky canopy]

Looking forward to that

YO

Actually!?

[undone beacon]

Yessir

[dusky canopy]

I’m on my way!

[undone beacon]

Alloyed Collective

Its pretty slick so far, the new boss path stages are TOUGH

And Operator is a super fun survivor

[lusty grotto]

idk what youre talking about

@undone beacon are you guys progging salad bar yet

wait, you were werent you?

are you guys on dimmy ?

[undone beacon]

We're about 260 pulls in Salhadaar, ye

I wish we were on dimmy

[lusty grotto]

my guild died

about a week ago or so

not sure if i actually want to look for a new guild or just not do retail

[proud nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-dancing-pallbearers-funeral-dance-gif-16837090

[proper roost]

you won't find difficulty finding a guild, if you looked

but that sucks dude

[jagged gust]

I got through trial only for the guild to pack it in until midnight the next week 😔

[lusty grotto]

not really worried about it, but im fighting between the part of me that wants to finish the tier, and the part that just doesnt care anymore

[jagged gust]

I don't even care to remix at this point

[lusty grotto]

thats the only thing im doing in wow lol

[jagged gust]

I actually hopped ship from last guild, RLing burnt me out right quick, think it's time for an actual break

[dusky canopy]

Just change your name to brewjjj and then maybe Larias will accidentally invite you instead of me and you can get your CE free

Ez

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

aw no what happened?

[undone beacon]

Yeah im our RL and its been... exhausting

Dealing with people takes all the wind out of my sails

Honestly rn I'm just kinda logging in for raid and then doing some things here and there on lemix

I had enough bronze yesterday to buy out the rest of the event, did mythic antorus for the set, now I just need to run it again today to buy the scythes/sword and then uhhh

I've done the class hall stuff on 10/12 classes in lemix so, I'll be done with that soon

Go do a 49 for the FOS

And then wait for housing

[dusky canopy]

Never mind that might be to much for Prot chat idk

I’ll dm it instead 😜

[lusty grotto]

pretty common issue of some players thought they were doing too much while officers were supposedly getting carried so the players left

[harsh trellis]

We just started working on mythic saladbar

that fight is not that fun

[chilly brook]

Ooof

[undone beacon]

ah, yeah I've seen that one time and time again lol

We're just having issues right now of people devouring beams like theyre candy

We're tickling P3 but damn, its infrequent

[harsh trellis]

we just got to p2

[undone beacon]

If we get everyone through the first phase we can crush p2 and platforms

but fuck its a pain to get through p1

[chilly brook]

I should hopefully be killing Dimmy tonight

[proper roost]

CE fomo is very painful tbh

[proper roost]

they let you RL? 🤨

don't they know like... your whole deal

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah Goodluck Goodluck go get that W!

[chilly brook]

Saw 28% last night so hopefully it happens

[undone beacon]

Ayyyy nice

[proper roost]

i kinda think letting go of CE fomo is like the first true step towards quitting tho

so real double edged sword there

[undone beacon]

I've never got CE so no CE fomo, easy

[dusky canopy]

Fuck yeah home stretch!

That’s what like two more ring sets and spread suck set and a hide set

You got it in the bag now

[chilly brook]

And then I get to do it again as a tank for my other guild

[undone beacon]

I'm worried about us getting through dimmy with holidays coming up

[indigo crane]

Hey there, I have to choose between Mythic Seaforium pacemaker ( I am wearing champ Brand and Tome(myth)) and a myth track helmet. I guess pretty sure i go for the helmet and catalyst it, right? (wearing hero set-head)

[undone beacon]

You can buy mythic trinkets with dinars, can’t buy a mythic helm

[lament osprey]

It’s okay, we had a full month of rotation of players 🙂 . Inconsistent roster always sucks and prolong prog

We have a chance of killing dimmy but I don’t think we will.

[indigo crane]

exactly. thanks ❤️

[proper roost]

just remind your raid that the boss's hp needs to hit 0 before your hp hits 0

pretty sure that would fix it idk why you didnt tell them that earlier

[undone beacon]

so true bestie

I'll remind them tonight

[mighty valley]

If you don't get that loading screen tip, you never kill the boss

[proper roost]

i would wish you luck but I don't believe in metaphysical concepts

fuck that's a goated joke

i can't believe i wasted it on you

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[dusky canopy]

Yoo cool guy right here, re progging the boss! Hell yeah 😎

[chilly brook]

my dumbass doing two raid groups so my tank can get access to raid items

[lofty glen]

both slots hero track. have myth pace and champ brand

[proud nimbus]

objectively the socket

[limber temple]

I got myth track Ire in my vault. Haven’t killed hunter but have down frac…. I didn’t know that was possible.

[jagged gust]

Yeah it's so you can't cheese the loot pool

[coarse bay]

Yup, you have a chance to receive any boss before your furthest kill

[undone beacon]

Killing Frac adds Hunters loot to vault options

Same with killing Soulbinder, adds Loomi loot to vault options since Loomi is technically the second boss

Frac is technically the sixth boss

Anyways, congrats

[limber temple]

Ah that explains that

Thanks 😂 I wasn’t expecting it!

[next axle]

I can craft 727 boots, which dmg wise sims higher than my hero soul hunter boots. My question is, have any of you switched off SH boots, do you miss the extra shielding?

[round pendant]

none of us here ever used those boots

[next axle]

Word, im gonna craft boots then

[past summit]

taunts, I use omen to monitor threat

[round pendant]

post logs

oh that's 2 hours ago

classic

[next axle]

Myth Idol is simming higher than Myth Antenna for me in both patchwerk and dungeon slice sims. Has anyone else found the same to be true?

[jagged gust]

idol is really quite good at doing damage

the problem is its a channel and will get you killed

eventually

[next axle]

Hmmm, okay. Trying to figure out what to use my last dinar on next week

[warm plinth]

Just FYI, you shouldnt use dungeon slice for pwar. Our apl is not optimized for it

[outer willow]

Just ++’d it. She picked up Lomthars on her Resto Druid and we got a 730 mage

Fucked it up

Ty

[still solar]

so what's the reason everyone uses defender's aegis over impenetrable wall, feel like shield slam gives a lot more than 1 minutes of cooldown reduction

[pallid quiver]

Imp Wall got nerfed; it doesn't give extra rage on SS, and the CDR it gives is roughly similar to Aegis, if not worse

It's pretty much always outclassed by DA right now due to DA giving similar or better CDR while also giving you the option of two back to back shield walls if you ever need it for whatever reason

[night scroll]

Could anyone give me some general tips on tanking big momma better ? And if its worth holding demo shout for electrocute ? Tanking her on a 20 feels so rough

[sinful copper]

Damn you're doing 20s. U should be helping us instead

[night scroll]

Haha

Could always learn a thing or two

[grim pilot]

just send it on cd

depends what route you're playing but if you're playing the standard route you want sw for every tank hit before first intermission

and then afterwards you send demo on cd, if it lines up with tankbuster it's you're fine, if it doesn't send sw

and SR for every single hit as well

[night scroll]

Okay ty

[cerulean tusk]

Now this is the dam breakdown I want to see

https://tenor.com/view/lessar-toaru-to-aru-majutsu-no-index-to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-anime-gif-936703522623316960

[cunning moth]

probably as question that has been asked 100 times this season. But is hero ceaseless ire better than myth pacemaker?

I have myth tome in other slot

[warm plinth]

Hero brand is better than any other trinket (besides myth brand), assuming you make sure stacks don't drop. In raid, brand will only be better if your fight times are over 4 minutes, as that's how long it takes to stack up fully

[cunning moth]

Thank you

How do i make sure stacks dont drop? Just chain pull all dungeon?

[undone beacon]

More or less. Stay in combat as much as you can

[proper roost]

you should always get used to the pattern of looking for when you can chain anyway

downtime is bad

[errant wagon]

Just reading back messages and if it makes you feel any better same exact experience.
Just now getting onto dimmy prog, it's tiring but we know it's rewarding what we're doing. Chin up!

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry there’s about 2000 guilds still left, that usually get CE progging Dime or NK

[errant wagon]

I'm equally just worried about getting through with holidays. Already got like 4 key members who are off for 2 weeks

Roster boss truly is the hardest of them all

[dusky canopy]

Yeah definitely correct to anticipate roster issues during Thanksgiving/Christmas/etc.

Hardest time of the year to prog

[proper roost]

holidays AND end of xpac

guild killer triple whammy

[sharp dew]

I’m guessing sims don’t account for that like in keys, cuz 5 min 5t sims only show myth brand a 0.4%-0.7% difference than myth pacemaker

[proper roost]

i mean the point is that you would keep it up the entire dungeon entirely, so it's not just 5 minutes

[proper roost]

makes it giga better

[undone beacon]

@dusky canopy Did you get the RoR2 dlc?

[proper roost]

this guy LOVES the ror2 dlc

if you love RoR2 so much why don't you marry it

[undone beacon]

If only

Its genuinely a very fun DLC

Operator is the definition of random bullshit: go! and its so much fun to play

Bear discord is arguing about how healing threat works for tanks

Because someone made a joke about talenting Sunfire to pull mobs in midnight

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

[proper roost]

oh no

2k25 and people don't know how threat mechanics work

in fairness though there's actually no reason to know how healing threat works on retail

or well, practically very little

[bright inlet]

yo LF a prot war with purple parses on myth raiding to ask a few questions

[dusky canopy]

Nah ended up having wifey time

This weekend surely

[jagged pier]

Ask away

[warm plinth]

Sims do account for it, that's why it underperforms in a 5 min sim. But once it's stacked, the idea is to keep it stacked the rest of the dungeon. If you can't/ don't want to be bothered, then you should run a different trinket.

[shrewd plinth]

Fury main, but my guild has me stepped in to prot for saladhar mythic. We had the blue box marker set to its “normal?” position from the raid videos but we’ve decided to push the bosses position back a couple more yards for the first combo

I’m either struggling to maintain aggro(I leap out after the 6 seconds of smacking to try to get the boss to move in one continuous move to make the distance) or I try to walk him but don’t make the new further distance

Is that just a dps issue in the free dps window? I press t clap more than I should and react slowly to the shield slam refresh procs

Not super familiar with threat between two tanks as most of my experience is simple taunt swaps or m+ solo tanking

[undone beacon]

Moving Nexus is very frustrating and can be inconsistent. Sometimes he just chooses not to start walking

Sometimes the other tank may rip if you walk away too early, sometimes he just delays his movement

I had pulls last night where both myself and the other tank moved early to square and the boss stayed put in the middle

[shrewd plinth]

[tribal wharf]

wtf lol

fireplace coins, and now there is carry option in lfg lol

good god man

what a disgrace, what a joke

[proper roost]

the world's changed, yogi

[dusky canopy]

“Carry offered” at the same time you have report advertisement button lolol

[mellow bridge]

for once i have to agree with yogi

what has the world come to

[dusky canopy]

Wait wait okay..
Maybe..
It’s because you can get bonus valor if someone in the party gains score from the run
Except..
Valorstones are gone..

[jagged pier]

yer but crest cost goes up

[dusky canopy]

Tell me about it pretty sure Larias figured out it’s like week 19 for max gear or some shit

Nineteen

…

[jagged gust]

Good, now parsing is what it was meant to be, proof that you nolifed the game more than others

[tribal wharf]

oh god

valorstones is a trigger word for me

they need to find a version of that that just WORKS

[dusky canopy]

Yeah deleting the secondary upgrade currency works

[proper roost]

💀

[tribal wharf]

we have 12 expansions at this point

with tons of systesms

one of those should work the way it was intended

[proper roost]

i can assure you that unfortunately almost all of the time, the systems improved over time

which means this is more or less the best you got

[wicked jungle]

How do you handle the solo soak as pwarr on Mythic Nexus-King?

I understand that Vanquish you can reflect

[chilly brook]

[chilly brook]

with shield wall

and probably save reflect for it

although the question is what class is your cotank?

[wicked jungle]

Blood DK

We're reclearing Mythic and I progged as Paladin

So I want to do a full clear w/ Pwarr just to have some fun without thinking

[tribal wharf]

at least the new raid boss looks cool, i saw parts of the fight

[wicked jungle]

And just facetank Vanquish without CDs?

[chilly brook]

probably fine, idk I did saladbar as a monk

[wicked jungle]

Jesus christ this class is unfair

I'll try and see

[chilly brook]

my cotank was a warrior so I did the solo soak

but he lived solo soaking fine if something got fucky

[chilly brook]

I mean warrior isn't really much different in tankiness this season compared to last

[dusky canopy]

Let’s goooo

Gz king!

[chilly brook]

thanks boo!

[lime spruce]

Honestly I don’t mind it because it should let the people who want it get it and the rest of us can filter it out

Big emphasis on should though

[reef shard]

Why do people go right and not left stairs on priory after the first mini boss? In lower keys everyone goes left but it seems like 17 and above everyone prefers right, what changes?

[coarse bay]

The left side got buffed this season, while right got nerfed. Left side takes longer overall, requires more kicks, and the miniboss can cause deaths or just take long

As well as dealing with the first boss, it’s much easier to deal with just dalicry and a kick rotation than the other miniboss. First boss left side is much harder to tank and heal

[urban bane]

grats dude very nice

:D

[sharp merlin]

I’ve only just got into lemix, I feel like trying to get to 740 is such a grind, holy cow ahah

[jagged pier]

Its really not espically now, far easier to get motes and sources of sand with all the raids and quests and zones being unlocked

[lime spruce]

are there any good builds floating around for the beta

not like I'm trying to rip performance lol I just want to get a feel for the right buttons

[jagged pier]

#1423009078099185674

[idle copper]

what can hunter use to mitigate https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328125/volatile-transformation 2nd boss Halls?

[gritty bone]

trying out prot, leveling a warrior from scratch and just dungeon spamming to help get in the grove. First time i ever ran into threat issues was the run i just did with a lvl 12 shaman. Every time he casted chain heal it ripped every single mob off me with full threat.

[mighty valley]

low level scaling is just wacky

[gritty bone]

it was nuts lol, i had to save shockwave and mass taunt for when he wanted to rip a chain heal or two

we were both confused

[mighty valley]

ideally that healer is paired with a level 12 arcane mage, so everything dies before any healing needs to happen

[proper roost]

yeah there is no such thing as tanking at that level

just run through the dungeon and collect your xp reward practically any character can solo it

wow has not been built around a low level leveling experience for literal decades

[coarse bay]

This would probably be better asked in the hunter discord, but ideally they arent all killed at the same time so that the healer can actually heal it. The higher in keys you get, the more you need to pay attention to that.

[past summit]

What is the brightest, shiniest plate set in the game? As a tank, I want to be as visible as possible even if I don't have a mark ... any suggestions?

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto almost platinum in wild rift and paid to do it since I’m at work

[idle copper]

So the hunter shouldnt have covered all the statues? to have avoided being one shot yep?

[coarse bay]

The ability you linked is when the adds first die they do aoe damage similar to the guys at the end of priory i believe. Are you talking about the hunter dying to the circle that clears adds?

When the adds die, they deal aoe damage and turn to stone. You want to stagger them at a certain level to not kill people. The circle that clears not only does a hit but adds a bleed, im not a hunter so idk what defensives but it does need something, or an external.

[idle copper]

Smashing ty