protection

[proper roost]

god gives his hardest battles to his eepiest soldiers 😔

[jagged pier]

i wish he would stop

[proud nimbus]

I have a friend who sims his 680 alts all the time like any of decisions past ilvl matter

[jagged pier]

well of course it does because if ppl tell me my stats are wrong i have something else to blame then my self

[finite lily]

Why is no one playing with cursed Stone idol if it’s that good?

https://liquidarmory.com/trinket-tracker?wowClass=Warrior&wowSpec=Protection

Also, so leah is about as good as ire??

[toxic gyro]

Bc the second you use it you insta proc cheat death on trash Very annoying to play around in m+.

[finite lily]

Guide says it’s a good Pick tho?

[undone beacon]

Its really good for weekly/lower keys, its very dangerous in push/higher keys so its not taken to those

[finite lily]

Alright cool, so I Will stick to pacemaker and ire(hero track) for now then

And save dinars.. maybe just buy a myth track shield lol. I Will never get myth ire/boots

[toxic gyro]

Exactly what Pash said.
Pacemaker and ire is a great combo. Will get you through both weekly and push keys. Even with hc ire.

[finite lily]

Im pushing 17 atm, would really like the boots tho lol. I have regular myth track boots

[limpid saffron]

so if im not really planning on playing my warrior much, except to get the triple threat title, should i craft a shield? This was a remix character converted to retail so i got boosted gear lol

i was gonna spend my cartel coins on Brand and Tome, but i could also get a weapon and shield

Unless I should get 1 trinket and the boots(I do have the champ boots though)

[warm plinth]

Isn't remix conversion like 650 ilevel?

[jagged pier]

thats for dps specs

[limpid saffron]

It is yeah

[warm plinth]

You can buy whatever. 650 is enough to tank 10s already so just grab weapon, shield, and one good trinket for the easy big boosts and go to town

No point in overthinking it if you're only doing the 10s for triple threat

[limpid saffron]

Fair enough

[nocturne spindle]

stone idol kills you on big packs

which is also where it is good

[tribal wharf]

trinket tracker is yogi pilled

[ocean python]

hey, is this misleading? I've ran multiple sims and thought antenna was giga bis but its breaking even with my ara kara myth...

[coarse bay]

I cant see your settings on the sim, but for what its worth the antenna isnt as good as some people make it out to be. It’s definitely good but it isnt going to be some super duper bis trinket for everybody

And it also gives crit, if youre already very high in crit it might not be as valuable to you

[ocean python]

default settings, 10 targets 10 minutes

so should i just... not spend a dinar on it? lol

[coarse bay]

Try simming 5 target 1.5 minute

If it doesnt sim better for you in your current gear, then you dont need to dinar it

[toxic gyro]

Im living in 18-19 just fine with regular mythic boots. That benefit for tanks is very marginal. 99% of your defense come from proper cd usage and play. Those boots are only bis bc they have good stats and perk is just little extra for free.

[ocean python]

ok???? what changed lol

[mighty valley]

also worth considering what orb gather % it's set to

[ocean python]

misses 0

[mighty valley]

do you think that's accurate for you

[ocean python]

no clue

[coarse bay]

I sim at 15% usually

[toxic gyro]

What you have orb collection rate set to?

[ocean python]

rerunning now with 15%

[ocean python]

reran with 15%, down to 2.6% increase

so it is worth to dinar then

[limpid saffron]

i mean if you wanna play with antenna do it🤷‍♀️ i dont even use it on my main cuz im not collecting anything for a tiny dps increase lol

[ocean python]

i know but,

[toxic gyro]

Try pacemaker. I got mine in vault and antenna two weeks later and I skipped it. At 80% collection rate they simmed the same, at 90 antenna was barely better. With pacemaker I don’t have to chase stupid orbs 👍

[limpid saffron]

just because the people on the top logs use it doesnt mean you have to

[coarse bay]

Top logs are a combination of obviously skill, but also luck. Antenna can be a gamble in terms of actual performance at times. It does perform well though so its up to you if you want to play with the balls

[ocean python]

i made a pretty nerdy weak aura for it for my ppal and i hardly ever miss one unless it procs when i'm gathering

but on ppal my damage is extremely bursty and i can feel the difference

[coarse bay]

Ya its not that bad but it is an extra step some people dont want to deal with

[ocean python]

on prot war my damage feels less bursty

[coarse bay]

Ppal also scales super strong with crit this season

[ocean python]

exactly

[coarse bay]

If you dont mind balls, antenna is solid. Otherwise pacemaker and forget is always solid

[toxic gyro]

You lose decent amount, moving pack to pack with mobs dragging behind they will still proc, moving or any phase bosses with movement.

[coarse bay]

Or tome has a place as well

[ocean python]

thanks boys, really! you're all very very helpful. actual first interaction with a class discord that isn't completely cringe to interact with. think i'm gonna commit to the dinar on antenna, thanks for the help

[coarse bay]

🫶

[toxic gyro]

Either one is fine. Small difference between them so you pick your poison.

[undone beacon]

wait i can change that come back

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

[proper roost]

LMAO

[reef shard]

is there really no haste number people aim for? I've mostly been stacking haste but now I look at top warrs and they have considerably less haste than me ( my 43% vs their 36-38%) and have more mastery (them at 25-26% and me at 20%). Makes me feel like surely at some point they must've decided that "okay this much haste is enough, lets get x amount of vers and master?" or am I overthinking?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Whatislove

my char for reference

[undone beacon]

You’re overthinking. The only haste number we care about is the ~21k haste rating breakpoint to swap from Heavy Repercussions to Into the Fray. Again, the more of a stat you have the less valuable it is, so at some point mastery may be better for your character than more haste. That’s why we recommend simming, nobody can look at a character sheet and say “you need to lose x% of a stat and gain y% of another”

What they did was run their characters through Raidbots, and the simulation told them that the Mastery piece was better than the Haste piece, and equipped the piece accordingly

Its an imperfect system to have to rely on outside sources to know these things everytime you get a new piece, but thats the nature of minmaxxing stats in an MMO

Unrelated, but "HIV+" is a crazy server tag

[proper roost]

that's the point one would imagine

[undone beacon]

I’ll imagine you

Gottem

[reef shard]

so they've done it purely for more damage output?

because that's the only that's simmable right?

[undone beacon]

All stats have a defensive value. As a general rule, if the stats increase your damage they increase your defensiveness too

Obviously there are exceptions, like defensive trinkets but

Dropping haste for mastery doesn’t mean you’re suddenly less tanky

[mighty valley]

unless you go real low and lose important sb uptime

[heavy sparrow]

They're unbuffed when logged out. If you search up yours it'll show only your base stats even without into the fray

[reef shard]

yes, i was still just comparing unbuffed vs unbuffed

[reef shard]

okay, thanks for the help

[grim pilot]

Pretty much yes

[ebon wren]

heroic throw will now silence? lol?

[mighty valley]

yeah, there’s a channel for midnight chat

[cerulean tusk]

As heroic throw got a minimum throwing distance, it will be fun to see all the rage it will generate from the people who fail a wipe saving interupt cause of 'I cant do that right now'.

[warm plinth]

Heroic throw has always had a minimum distance. I can't imagine that situation ever happening.

[cerulean tusk]

When have you ever tried to cast Heroic Throw as an interrupt before this? I missed something from way back when in panda land or something

If ya in melee, ya dont use heroic throw on things in melee

that is not how warrior works

https://tenor.com/view/loading-cat-help-gif-26762519

[pallid quiver]

you just get out of melee first

[cerulean tusk]

I cant wait for all the Pwarriors that come in, crying about how they suddenly died while trying to run from the mob so they could interupt it

[heavy sparrow]

Maybe cataclysm or panda land as a PvP talent?

[heavy sparrow]

Could work for a caster that's a bit aways from the rest of the pack to encourage it to walk forward

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-jack-sparrow-salt-javkal-gif-12714234404717417933

[warm plinth]

Glyphs were a big thing in cata/mop

[cerulean tusk]

Pandalanda

called it

[warm plinth]

My entire point is that no one is going to be running away from a mob to heroic throw it for a 3 second silence. It'll be used primarily as a way to "kick" in a caster

[cerulean tusk]

We shall see

I still put my chips on ppl coming in here to complain

[warm plinth]

Complain about what? That they're an idiot lol?

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-romance-comedy-ryan-reynolds-yep-gif-13893693

[undone beacon]

Anyone who complains about having a second kick, even with a restriction like min range, is a dummy

But there’s plenty of dummies soooo

[heavy sparrow]

Thanks I stand corrected

[fallow fern]

on forgeweaver.. last time i was there someone said I had to soak a line on the intermission but im not seeing that in any of the guides.. is that a thing?

[undone beacon]

The pylons will do a beam into the middle called Arcane Convergence. It does huge raid damage unless you drag an add between the pylon and the middle. If you drag an add there, the add absorbs the beam and gets stunned

Thats what happens when a pylon reaches full energy

[fallow fern]

so they only do the beam at full energy?

[undone beacon]

Correct

That’s a thing on normal and heroic too

[warm plinth]

You're a thing on normal and heroic too

Fuckin gottem

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-be-profen-gif-9435864923799777590

[keen geyser]

More dudes here play a second warrior for double spec?

I guess arms could be dual played since stats are the dame

Same

[naive panther]

Thought about it actually

[keen geyser]

Im very close to just boosting a second

Instead of dealing with it

[undone beacon]

Man this chat is dead today

Dead spec dead class dead game pack it up lads

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/sienna-broomhall-round-almostabout-little-girl-getting-dragged-merry-go-round-mondays-gif-6879717189469483772

[indigo crane]

hey im in a similar situation like u are. what did u end up crafting? I think about just crafting wrist and waist on 727 asap.

[kind urchin]

I'm about to craft a helm. I still haven't seen a myth helm all season.

[mortal cypress]

even doing 8 M+ a week + raid for 6 vault slots?

[warm plinth]

Do it, no reason not to

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-18298503445821339884

[heavy sparrow]

Same here

Still heroic

[mortal cypress]

oof

[paper stump]

Zombie Land 😁

[jagged pier]

Whalecome to end of season

[tame jasper]

Or start of the interesting raid bosses - 2nd evening on Nexus-King today. And I think he hurts xD

[jagged pier]

He does?

[finite lily]

I actually feel like this Channel is very dead compared to other classes, indeed

[fluid ledge]

You doing the solo soak or what?

[sharp merlin]

Season is deffo over, I can’t even be bothered doing my 19 eco dome lol

Cause I know some dribbler is gonna die on the sentinel pull, and pull the other 2 sentinels including the one skipped cause he panic released

[mellow bridge]

wdym end of season

we just reached the half point

despairge

[tame jasper]

In first and 3rd set yeah

[jagged gust]

you keep telling yourself that buds

now is the season of farming dozens of alts in remix

[errant wagon]

Is there a solid reason most players in M+ are opting for Thunderous roar over champions spear?
Trying to clear some of my 20's now and really searching around for a bit more ST damage I can bring to the group.
I simmed both roar and spear, spear is coming out by like 0.7% more damage in both ST and AoE scenarios

but I mean no one plays it, so I must be missing something ya?

It feels good to me I tested it out in a run 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

Easier to play

Better for aggro

Preference

Take your pick

[errant wagon]

makes sense, thanks mate

[fluid ledge]

Cheat death for first set, pres external for 2nd and holy priest guardian spirit is how i tanked it after our brew wasn't there for a night

Frontal was ez af thanks to spell reflect

[dark wadi]

hey i just reinstalled wow, again. can anyone please tell me what this bar is, and how to get rid of it? currently i havent downloaded any ui packs or addons.

[jagged pier]

that is the personal resource bar

[dark wadi]

okay great. how do i get rid of it?

nvm. found it. thanks 🙂

[kind urchin]

This weeks keys have been rough. It's like the only people left playing are the bads that got carried for their io.

[sharp merlin]

Welcome to the zoo!

[coarse bay]

I feel like its been like over a month since that point tbh

[green rampart]

hi folks, new to prot warrior and having some questions. how do you make sure to spend violent outburst on ss/blast? say i hit ss to get some rage, hit a spender that triggers violent outburst .. now i want to spend on ss but it might be on cd. do i just hit more spenders until ss comes back up? if i happen to have no rage for a spender do i just ... twiddle my thumbs until ss is back? sorry if stupid question lol , still learning 😄

[warm plinth]

Sometimes you just don't have a choice. But fwiw, it's not really a big deal between TB and SS anyway; the one you really don't want to send it on is regular TC unless you don't have a choice. You can fish for a global or two to try to reset SS but there will be occasions where you don't have a choice.

[green rampart]

gotcha, makes sense, ty!

[clear girder]

Hey tankbros were doing Nexus King on mythic and were having issues making him move to the first spot for soaking he just stands there any suggestions on what to do ?

[undone beacon]

He doesn’t start moving until he starts casting besiege. Just have the first tank that takes him start moving once oath bound finishes. Lose a little uptime if needed

I can find a clip of me doing it poorly but its still doing it so

The fact that i cant go get class hall mounts on alts in lemix because I have to wait for an invasion to spawn is dumb

silly game

[clear girder]

youre an angel

thank you

[zenith rain]

probably a dumb question, can you block vanquish on nexus king to reduce damage?

[undone beacon]

Yeah

[zenith rain]

can you block any physical damage ability?

or is it like only some

[mild river]

Is there a final mythic+ trinket list?

[mellow bridge]

no

check the reflect sheet in the pins, it also includes what is blockable

also you cannot block vanquish; vanquish is the frontal which you just reflect

conquer isnt blockable or reflectable

[zenith rain]

ok thank you

[undone beacon]

I thought Vanquish had a blockable physical portion?

I'm progging on bear though so i might just be misremembering conversations

[mellow bridge]

sheet says no and you should be always reflecting it anyway

[chilly brook]

@frosty mango

Wing night

[frosty mango]

Oh shit we gamin

It’s leftover night here im yoloing

Making a smoked chicken noodle bake

[mortal cypress]

U fat shit (I would eat all that, enjoy!)

[chilly brook]

Hey hey it’s for 6 people!

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[frosty mango]

Not as impressive looking

But it does taste fire

[mortal cypress]

looks great, i love it when its perfectly crispy on top

[frosty mango]

Kinda like chicken pot pie but with smoked chicken and fresh papardelle noodles

And the top is ritz crackers and butter bc

You cannot beat it

[chilly brook]

Sounds good af

[frosty mango]

It is the best casserole topping ever and no one can change my mind

[chilly brook]

I did shepherds pie last week

[frosty mango]

Aw yea

I’m doing short rib and grits tomorrow

[chilly brook]

[mortal cypress]

I thought that was a british thing....but i love it

[chilly brook]

My dads birthday is next weekend so steaks and some sort of potato dish and veggies next Sunday

Might make some giant cookies to top with vanilla ice cream for dessert

[chilly brook]

It’s just a goated dish tbh

[mortal cypress]

Certainly is! I add Worcestershire sauce to it, too

[chilly brook]

I think I put like 8 tablespoons in of the W sauce

but I also made a huge batch so we could freeze some of it for a lazy day

[heavy sparrow]

I approve

[plush tendon]

pretty cool

[undone beacon]

Damn, slick

[sinful copper]

Wtf that sounds crazy

[formal torrent]

I’m struggling to parce better than blue in MFO on an op class lol. Are there any tips, videos or whatever out there specific to performing better in raid?

I can’t find anything except matching my casts to other warriors w Warcraft logs 🫠

[undone beacon]

Follow the wowhead guide, post logs here for review, etc

[paper stump]

I was looking for any tips like you and looked at some top parses prot warrior. I found out that just do your rotation and spam execute as much as you can and thats it… my logs are all 90%+ now…

[hollow patio]

Pretty much just what Muse said. Play execute build, spam execute as much as possible and also play tome (maybe not on Soul Hunters).
Also I don't get "I struggle to parse on an op class". That doesn't make sense imo as your parse is only compared to other parses of the op class

[frosty mango]

Really recommend you post logs in #1347646810457636974 because “spam execute” is not the way to get good parses

Maximizing it yes, spamming it no

[arctic marten]

Execute does more damage than Shield Slam and Thunder Clap, no?

[frosty mango]

A) no and
B) it costs rage and
C) may not be the most ideal button to press

The rotation and all of its nuances are covered in great detail in the wowhead guide

Spamming execute brainlessly is going to have you miss shield slam procs and blast procs, which will eventually lead you to a place where you have no buttons to press because you run out of rage

Not to mention missing out on a bunch of rage gen which means missed rage expenditure which means less violent outburst procs

[sharp merlin]

So Roid, you should be kinda.. weaving execute in? I normally (in M+) just weave an execute, never double hit it

[grim pilot]

Execute is rare to press

If you don’t have the talents for it

You also extra want to generate rage in aoe

Since avatar is really strong in aoe

[sharp merlin]

It is, but I'm not using the execute build

I don't want to add extra stress on my healer

[grim pilot]

Outside of st bosses don’t think about it

[sharp merlin]

I seem to parse grey in 19s but 99 in 15s.

I have a theory it's because the key is around 5min longer than their runs in my runs.

[grim pilot]

Nah

People doing 15’s are likely missing gear

And are straight up much worse

And lots of logs are simply old as well which kinda supports my first point

The higher you go the harder it is to consistently parse higher as people will naturally be better

[sharp merlin]

Yeah that's about right, I'm fucking shit at the game

[grim pilot]

If you’re doing 19’s you’re not shit

[paper stump]

If you look closely to my comment, I said doing the rotation…

[jagged pier]

'you either die a shit tank. Or live long enough to become a shit tank yourself'

[frosty mango]

Wasn’t responding to yours lol

[frosty mango]

Shield slam, thunder blast, execute if you can’t press those or you’re capping rage

You still end up executing frequently

[sharp merlin]

I really need to start logging

[frosty mango]

You ideally don’t want to sit on shield slam procs or blast procs because then it’s highly likely you lose procs bc of overwrite

[paper stump]

Exactly what I did. ❤️

[frosty mango]

Execute build in m+ for push keys is so much work

I just play reg push build and clap my way to victory

[grim pilot]

If you’re at 1 stack of tb you can’t munch proccs

Same with tier, you’re not munching by sitting on it

[frosty mango]

No but if you’re spamming execute it’s likely not capitalizing on procs, that’s why I referenced the wowhead guide

It lays it all out very clearly

[chilly brook]

Just become a demon hunter

Spam fracture so you can generate souls and do your glaive combo

[sharp merlin]

But yeah I notice, that despite my time completing the key is 5min slow, I still have the same number of CPM on SS, and to me, maybe it's cause I'm just not hitting SS enough, or I have a theory I'm walking out of range slightly, and thinking I'm hitting SS, but I'm not

[chilly brook]

Can’t really offer any concrete insights without seeing a log

[sharp merlin]

I will try find a relevant one, but I keep forgetting, I just have vods autorecord

I finished Eco 18 last night on 6m overall, but I think that's quite low

[chilly brook]

Is it?

That’d be in the top 100 logs for damage on that key

For warrior

[formal torrent]

Damn ok, I’ll check out the wowhead guide in full detail

Thanks all

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-fish-pogging-currently-gif-2252544987340524926

[junior path]

is 465 IP a normal amount for a 15

[jagged pier]

we dont really care about that

[fleet flicker]

just press it to avoid overcapping

literally all I use it for

[fathom oasis]

Without looking at anything else, 3% rage wasted looks good

1.5 avatar casts per minute is also a good ratio, I believe

Violent outburst usage could be better, I think:

[lofty warren]

Mt vs colossos legion remix m+?

[shut osprey]

!macro

[toxic gyro]

Doesn’t matter, all your dmg comes from borrowed powers

Mt has big daddy executes, colo has demolish.

[strong forum]

colo does more damage

MT is easier

[pseudo ice]

Is tough as nails bugged? I want to run it based on the tooltip but it seems nobody does. Not sure what I would drop for it though. Just seems like a lot of attacks get blocked..

[undone beacon]

It’s not bugged, it’s just not worth running

[pseudo ice]

Sir you declared nobody could say such not 3 weeks ago

[undone beacon]

THIS GUY GOT THE FUCKIN RECEIPTS

To be fair it’s still a baller talent in theory

But in practice the point is more worthwhile elsewhere

[proper roost]

hypocrisy smh

[mighty valley]

care to explain this?

[undone beacon]

shit

Bear gets cancelled in prot warrior discord

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[proper roost]

furries out or whatever

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[hybrid gust]

is this spec good? I see some high keys with this spec

[strong forum]

ye is good

pmuch as good as it gets defensively

[past oxide]

Just few weeke back some people were in full denial about the bolster setup being good

[strong forum]

Bloodsurge is the first talentpoint to drop for something else

and Bolster is a solid thing to pick up in exchange for it, for my builds on wowhead it escaped my consideration until it showed up from MDI

and makes perfect sense

not as colossus tho* colossus needs bloodsurge 😄

[past oxide]

Funny typing bolster into search and seeing comments like this

#protection message

[strong forum]

it do be like that some time

[pallid quiver]

As a whole, Bolster won't serve too much purpose, especially if you're considering it for shield block uptime alone; in general use, it doesn't give much value, especially on that front

also, upcoming bolster is

certainly a thing

[strong forum]

well midnight bolster is completely DOA

[pallid quiver]

But if it's good, it'll be good

Er, by if it's good, I mean current bolster

[past oxide]

Seems to be that people are dropping haste and using bolster to bridge the gap that would create

[strong forum]

people love doing that

theyve been trying it every single time pwar is meta

except in previous iterations its been a much much more costly investment

now its just rage gen, which thane has an overkill of, to get more LS

and technically speaking 21k haste is enough already without bolster

but if you endlessly chainpull like in eco dome, 21k by itself aint enough

[thorn sequoia]

hi guys. I've been enjoying my journey as a tank for the past few weeks, however I'm having some issues with the "Electrocrush" skill from Big Momma (m+15/16), it is currently the only boss I'm having any issues with. I've seen some vids on it but have not gotten any conclusive answer from it

[kind urchin]

I just pop spell reflect for every one of them.

[restive oak]

use defensive spell reflect it?

[warm plinth]

Use Wall for it. If you have Demo Shout up when it's coming out, just pop SR and save Wall

[thorn sequoia]

Ok. Seems the correct way to do it. Next time I think it will be better. Thank you so much

[pseudo ice]

Does anyone have tips on the pull after the first boss in priory? I always have a hard time tagging multiple packs like that when they are spread out then I have to los them. I leapt in and got clapped in a 12 earlier. I’m thinking maybe charge the first pack, shield rush the middle pack, then taunt one side throw the other then leap out? I just don’t know how many defensive I should layer, like is wall enough if I have block up and put the charge rage into IP?

[winged zenith]

You always shield run 1st pack, leap 2nd throw far pack charge back to 1st pack

You getting clapped from back

Use shield wall right after charge in

[pseudo ice]

Okay I’ll try that next time I trick people into running priory with me

[spark patrol]

You will have spell reflect to reduce damage of all hits, same as demo shout (with the exception when you send it during dmg amp, which you should as you can fill with shield wall). On top of that you will have shield wall roughly for every other one.

[near dome]

Hey gang, I’m new to tanking and just picked up a tome from priory, In general am I best to just pop it on cd or should I aim for more damage or more defensive?

I’m not sure what the best value of the trinket is

[fathom oasis]

You "use it" to skip bad chapter

First of all read the pin

Then, check this: https://wago.io/Bn9mwPxCC

[near dome]

Legend Ty

[frosty mango]

They are so fast

lol

[frosty mango]

What would be the defensive value add of bolster given our current stat budgets?

I could see some niche usage I guess if you shed haste but I don’t see any high key runners below 22k haste, which should be enough to maintain block with good play.

Is it really a worthwhile trade off?

I mean bloodsurge is bloodsurge so at the end of the day I think it’s completely irrelevant one way or the other I’m just curious about the logic as to how it would functionally be an advantage vs just on paper

[strong forum]

its just more LS uses mostly

thats all there is to it, more frequent access to LS

its pretty neat given the long ass chain-pulls people are doing this season, to bridge POTENTIAL gaps of SB

its not a hugely impactful thing, just .. neat

[mellow bridge]

22k haste is not enough to keep up SB in perma chainpull scenarios

you would have to kite at some point which is basically impossible in some keys like eco-dome because the mobs just jump on your dick

Like in our halls route, every single pull up to the third shard is chained and even with 26k haste I start running out of SB at some point and have to go for some short kiting for a few seconds to get it up again

bolster allows you to yolo it without issue which is a lot more consistent and quite useful for a scenario like tgp

(personally im not running it yet)

[grim pilot]

Andy and chinese guy play 21k

20-21k

The chinese r1 parser

[frosty mango]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a bad play just interested in the functional purpose of it

Usually I’m pretty “that’s a bad move for the every man” but in this case bloodsurge is just generating rage that a lot of suboptimal players would likely be wasting and it’s an interesting viewpoint to me

Because it could be better for new players who may not be great with rage management yet

[sharp merlin]

Wait, can some explain it like I’m 5, what’s happening?

[jagged pier]

sims most likely

more damage because u will do more damage

and they are good enough to play with 21k

[nocturne spindle]

You pickup the talent that gives you shield block using last stand>drop haste>get better stat weights for higher dps

Is the theory behind it

[stark peak]

does mastery add anything defensively? I see prot wars stacking an insane amount 13k+ in 21s+ but are they doing it purely offensively? i thought it was pretty useless defensively

[strong forum]

It's the little brother of parry

[frosty mango]

13k isn’t very high and mastery increases your block effectiveness so to speak

[strong forum]

Easier to get high %

To get more consistent crit blocks

Idk why you'd ever think it's useless defensively

[frosty mango]

The sheer amount of stats we get this tier makes for some interesting breakdowns

[strong forum]

It's actually strong defensively, but if you stack the fuck out of it it's really bad offensively

[frosty mango]

Blizz should just get rid of stats and just make all gear give a new stat called “stat” which is just renamed versatility.

Then we all just have two buttons. “Dps” and “heal”

The game would be so friendly to new players!

-# /s

[jagged pier]

should give us multi strike back

multi striking shield slams

[frosty mango]

Yes and let us dual wield shields

Or give us gigantic two handed shields

[jagged pier]

let us tmog 2handers over 1hander and shield like with the bug in SLs

[frosty mango]

Or give us spears

Spears not being a thing is a travesty

[strong forum]

i can live without spears

[jagged pier]

i dont care about spears all the spear tmogs are trash in the game pretty much

[undone beacon]

Once again it is a shame to call our apex talents PHALANX, a battle technique that utilizes a SPEAR and SHIELD, and deny us spear usage or transmog

[jagged pier]

I mean it utilizes the need of having other ppl in the phalanx

To actually work

[undone beacon]

Still, the point stands

Blizzard is personally at my house hitting me in the shins with a Razer scooter

[mortal cypress]

Ask them if they can do any sick tricks

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/razor-scooter-stunt-cool-gif-4931334

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/scooter-crash-gif-25691058

[mellow bridge]

even holy can spellblock before us

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[undone beacon]

do holy priests ever not use a shield?

[nocturne spindle]

Ah yes

Holy priests

The shield wearing holy healer

That's what he's talking about

🙂

[undone beacon]

fuck i meant holy pallies

once against blizzard has made me look like a fool with their inability to have two different spec names

[mellow bridge]

currently no as they cannot cast SotR without a shield

(+ having armor is just a very useful thing)

dunno if that changes in midnight

[undone beacon]

Next week: "In order to reduce complexity, SotR is now only available to Protection Paladin"

[dusky canopy]

Holy paladins might not know what they can block so they probably shouldn’t have that talent

[sharp merlin]

Just denied a 4K player to join my key

Felt like a god

[tribal wharf]

well you see

pwar, blocks things that are real and exist and paladins blocks things that aren't real and don't exist

still think it should be if you can equip a shield you have a base line static 1% chance to perform a critical block

1% never goes up, never goes down, so maybe if really lucky, it kicks in

[sharp merlin]

See I was always told if a tank has a shield in this game, it’s a very tanky tank. I feel like an omega tank as Prot warrior, as Prot paladin however, I literally am made of glass.

I know I’m probably not playing it at all correct, but holy damn, there are some pulls on my low pally alt which im 100 to 0 even though i had 2 defensives lmao

[grim pilot]

13k seems a bit high

its more likely that the logs you're looking at are around 10k + alchemical chaos

[warm plinth]

What's funny is holy pally doesn't have a shield on remix because the legion artifact for them is a 2h mace. Instead it just has a slightly different name and is usable without a shield

[coarse bay]

Holy paladin was a lot different in legion, and holy power was spent only on healing

[stark peak]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Vadanwarr
went to the blizzard page to confirm hes wearing the same gear as he did in the 22s hes done

[grim pilot]

that's surprising

it sims best for me till 10-11k area

[warm plinth]

That wasn't my point. My point was that it's easy to not have it be a requirement to use a shield as they are actively using an alternative right now. Has nothing to do with how holy paladin played in Legion, because you don't play how you played in Legion on Remix.

[nocturne spindle]

I mean

Even rank 1 players can't get perfect stats

Pretty much all of his mastery is that one ring

He might not even want that much

He's just forced too

[warm plinth]

Besides, you don't want 0 of a stat, and 13k is hardly an insane amount.

[grim pilot]

I can guarantee you

He can opt for less

[nocturne spindle]

Sure but like

Maybes it's 5k less

[grim pilot]

He clearly has his reasoning

[nocturne spindle]

And that's worse than 3k too much

[grim pilot]

You're not gonna lose that much

[nocturne spindle]

When literally 80% of the stat is one time he would need a lot

[grim pilot]

re-gem, re-craft, re-enchant

[nocturne spindle]

One item*

[warm plinth]

I think it's silly to act like every single tiny specific detail of a top players' stats/gear/whatever is meticulously thought out, especially for tanks.

[grim pilot]

It is tho when you're playing unconventional (mastery) stat

iirc tgp players opted for high vers

[nocturne spindle]

The most likely case is he just doesn't have another ring without completely messing up all your other stats lol

[warm plinth]

Having 3k "too much" mastery is not going to mean a damn thing though, so why would he care about it

[nocturne spindle]

Dps meticulously do things to survive

Tanks this season just..tank

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like I could definitely expect a DPS to put a lot into min/maxing their output or maybe getting some vers or avoidance to survive the highest keys, but the same is not required for tanks. Sometimes their stats are just what their stats are and it's not some crazy secret that needs to be dissected.

[rugged otter]

this

cba spending 1m on a boe ring for 0.3% gain

[warm plinth]

XD from the horse's mouth

mystery solved

[grim pilot]

Kinda unlucky to go whole season without any rings from vault

Boe is overpriced and if anything I'd just buy the leech one but don't wanna spend 2-3m

[rugged otter]

ye

stats are fake anyway

run a dmg sim with whatever you have in the bags

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[grim pilot]

Ye i just opt for slightly higher haste

Not feeling like bolster

[rugged otter]

i don't play bolster either

[grim pilot]

You have no gaps at 22?

I find 1sec gaps sometimes

[rugged otter]

i do, but for the most part i manage to plan around them

[grim pilot]

That i have to cover with wall n stuff

I thought about lowering my haste a bit from 25 to 21 since those gaps are there anyways and they can be covered with sw either way

idk

[rugged otter]

whatever you feel comfortable with is probably the best option

22k feels comfy enough for me

[nocturne spindle]

People think too much

Just zug zug thunderblsst and play better

Ez

I think the only time a shield block gap would actually kill you is on the enrage mobs in db or gambit

And it just doesn't happen in db cause db

And just plan for gambit

[rugged otter]

it can kill you in a lot of pulls actually

especially in keys like eco dome/halls with the endless chain pulling

[plush tendon]

I just turned my crafted ring into mastery/vers

cause sim

[coarse bay]

I just dropped 5k haste to equip a vers mast ring i got like week 2 and i miss the haste tbh

Still like 22k but it’s noticeable

[copper gale]

Is brand on hero track better than a myth tier M+ trinket? Is there a mythic+ I can take with my dinars?

[strong forum]

brand on hero is better than anything else in the game yes

[copper gale]

Drats, okay thanks

[pastel summit]

Brand is so good assuming you're able to stack/maintain it.

[fallow fern]

Raid shield has leech, M+ shield has avoidance; both would replace myth Package Protector.. but ring is also nice and could replace a 727 crafted.. any thoughts?

[frosty mango]

What about brand on mythic

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-9726624

Yes I took that completely out of context

Don’t hit me

[jagged gust]

Indestructable (Unless you have guild repairs) > Speed > Leech > Avoidance

imo

[fallow fern]

speed is my fav tbh.. but actually ring is simming highest.. so ill have to pass on the leech i think

[pastel summit]

Just be a blacksmith.

[pastel summit]

I like ring.

At a glance.

[fallow fern]

anyone know how much % 612 leech would actually be?

[nocturne spindle]

theh leech on any given piece is usually like 1%?

[pastel summit]

Roughly 0.6%.

It's nice but fairly minor.

[violet ginkgo]

Should they buff leech? As in with talent and enchant and so on we should hit 10%

[jagged gust]

nerf leech imo

[sinful copper]

Oof I would never skip a crit haste shield with leech for a ring

[paper stump]

I 2nd that

[stuck basin]

how does blacksmithing help with shild needing 13x repair before anything else gets close to yellow ?

[ocean smelt]

They repair for free IIRC

[sweet summit]

hello chat where is @undone beacon

[last lotus]

don´t tell me I am spending 8k a day for nothing lol need to go bs real quick

[sharp merlin]

yeah but repairing also takes a long time lmao

I spent over 1mill on repairs season 2

this season, once I got everything hammered, it's been so cheap

[last lotus]

I see... sounds like kinda high invest for mediocre result ngl

[sharp merlin]

I mean, I don't die often, but my god my shield and sword get battered

[last lotus]

Ye I do die. Just avrg. tanking on my side 😄

[icy citrus]

Fellas, one question. Does Best Served Cold buffs Thunder Blast as well as Thunder Clap?

[urban portal]

Yea

[icy citrus]

Amazing

[pastel summit]

Free repairs for any slot you're trained in.

[lofty glen]

can you guys help me with my dmg? i made my 1st 16 ara kara and performed like shit

[mellow bridge]

bring a log

[lofty glen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x2YtvBTnqJHCgjA6?fight=3&type=summary

its a 15 flood and 16 ara

kinda feel unlucky in proggs/resets and i alwas get my spellreflect kicked...

[rugged otter]

cpm on everything is pretty low for the amount of haste you have in that log

[lofty glen]

but i legit spam my keys

[rugged otter]

it's not unlucky procs

one of my runs

with 22k haste

[lofty glen]

i swear to god. i press every free ss and tc in my keys

[rugged otter]

doesn't seem to be the case in the log

[lofty glen]

pls show me so i can see it for my self. not that good with logs

[sharp merlin]

13 CPM is quite low

You might having the same issue I used to, which was being slightly out of range

[warm plinth]

Yeah definitely not pressing SS enough. Rage waste is high as well. Blocked hits are low. Demo shout and TR usage is low, avatar looks a little low. Another sign of not pressing enough SS is how many thunder clap cpm you have.

Can you confirm if you're using the IP/SS macro?

[lofty glen]

i press IP and SS single

i dont use any macros

[warm plinth]

Hmm, okay. So the first thing I noticed is that it took you 28 seconds after your first cast of the dungeon to press shield slam. Not sure why that is. Then there was another 20 second gap later on between SS casts. I haven't gone all the way through the events yet so just getting started there. But what I did notice is that the vast majority of your IP casts have like a .5-1.5 second gap of no casts after them. Do you have it on a really inconvenient bind or something?

Most are around the .8-.9 range which is almost a full global being lost after pressing an off gcd ability

[lofty glen]

IP is on E and SS on 2 and i always press 2E together

the gaps where while gathering and we had a pull break cause the heal did need mana

[warm plinth]

That explains why I thought you were using the macro, because I noticed you didn't have the problem sometimes after ss

No the gaps aren't while gathering

[frosty mango]

You sent 18 thunderclaps with outburst which in a dungeon like floodgate is going to adversely impact your dps bc pull size is large

[warm plinth]

You're pressing other abilities during those times. Just not shield slam

[frosty mango]

You are missing shield slam usages like he said which is driving your rage gen down, and then there are gaps where you are rage capping which is further driving your expenditure down, leading to less outburst procs

[warm plinth]

Like it doesn't take 28 seconds to gather a pull, and you're still hopefully hitting mobs during the gathering so you should still be pressing SS

[frosty mango]

I can’t tell on my phone atm also but based on your rage gen pattern I would imagine you are either not tracking burst of power or not prioritizing slam to eat the procs and then losing casts

[warm plinth]

And if you're not close enough to press SS then it's a faster gather and you should be planted a lot faster than 20-28 seconds in

First pull of flood I'm planted like 10 seconds after my first charge

[frosty mango]

You also have an unnecessarily high level of haste and you’re not playing execute

[lofty glen]

so if i have outburst i also wait like 4 sec on thunderclap cd? and even without proc?

[warm plinth]

But realistically, the missing globals is more concerning for me right now

[frosty mango]

The haste is minor and wouldn’t really recoup a ton of damage but the push build isn’t going to capitalize on large pull dungeons much so your key percentile will be relatively lower

[frosty mango]

No depending on the number of mobs you’d send it on shield slam

[warm plinth]

Outburst is important but in the current patch, you can send it on tb most of the time and be fine. Regular tc is really the big one you want to avoid

In aoe you want to prioritize tb and in st you want to prioritize ss, but it's not the end of the world if you use it on tb in single target

[frosty mango]

You’re gonna send a few on clap that’s just the nature of it but 18 is a lot

[lofty glen]

and what is th mob cap where we swapp form ss to clap`?

[warm plinth]

Regular clap? Like 20

Tb at 2+

[lofty glen]

hmm okay

and what would you do beside ss uptime and outburst windows?

are there any good macros or other things?

[warm plinth]

SS casts are your biggest issue by far, with rage waste and blocked hits being a concern as well. Outburst is less of a worry in my opinion.

Still something to work on, but not a priority

[sharp merlin]

Outburst goes so fast, if you have SS on CD, that it shouldn't even matter

[lofty glen]

and what do you mean with blocked hits?

[sharp merlin]

just focus on SS like crazy

[sharp merlin]

You need to face le opponent

and you need SB up

[warm plinth]

Nah he's not getting back hit; he's just not pressing SB enough

He only has 3.6 cpm; normal is like 5.5

I mean he is getting back hit, but not like a concerning amount

Most people get back hit at least a little bit

hard not to with how mobs move

[undone beacon]

Hello I was asleep

[frosty mango]

Rage gen/expenditure is so important that almost nothing else matters.

DONT DO THIS, BUT TO ILLUSTRATE THE POINT - if you bound shield block and ip to thunderclap and just went through the entire dungeon hammering shield slam and thunderclap you’d probably outdps 75% of warriors just based on generating and spending all of your rage

Obviously other things matter but purely from a damage perspective rage generation and usage are that important

[sharp merlin]

78% blocked hits is not great

[frosty mango]

Now if you were to do that you’d end up rage starved and with shield block down at inopportune times which is why we don’t do that

[frosty mango]

But now you are awake

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-still-awake-awake-wake-up-spooky-halloween-gif-7000620026286642301

Uh I didn’t post that

Good job discord

[warm plinth]

So my key takeaways are:

1. Spend a few keys consciously thinking about how fast after you IP your next keypress is, because you're literally just losing globals to the void right now.
2. Make sure you're pressing SB, Demo Shout, and TR more.
3. Make sure you're spending rage before it caps so you don't waste it (you wasted over 800 rage that key, 8 full rage bars)

IMO those are the three biggest issues right now.

[lofty glen]

okay thx guys

[undone beacon]

Yeah I wish I wasn’t tho smh

[undone beacon]

Bro what

[frosty mango]

No idea why it sent that

I don’t wanna do any work today

Someone trade me

[warm plinth]

Play any shield wielding priest lately?

[undone beacon]

That’s some ARG type shit, got jump scared 2/10

[undone beacon]

Shield priest main now

[warm plinth]

Lol

I just checked my pocket for my phone

While looking at discord on it

[undone beacon]

Hate that for you

I just wanna know why I was summoned in the middle of the night

Probably for bear related wisdom

[warm plinth]

Or the joy of your company

[sweet summit]

log on fellowship

[dusky canopy]

🤣 can’t say I’m not guilty

[undone beacon]

I dont even own fellowship

[outer willow]

First pull of Ara to the mini boss - how are you guys gathering? I find that by the time I’ve hit the web bridge, someone is taking damage.

Priory first pull is similar - I’ve locked into the corner but a stray footman might slip and kill the healer.

Is it wrong to stay mounted till you’re across the web?

[dusky canopy]

Tag all mobs you intend to pull during your run if people do damage and rip off you it’s their problem

[exotic flower]

would say you want to dismount at the bottom of the stairs

you can prepot potion of shocking disclosure to generate threat as you walk down the stairs on your mount tho if you’re not already

& priory I wouldn’t stay mounted at all during the gather

[warm plinth]

I agree with naith. Definitely dismount at the bottom of the stairs and use charge/ leap for the rest

Don't immediately panic if people take damage; keep in mind that they will take random damage from some of the mobs. It doesn't mean they've peeled

[outer willow]

Thank you friends. I think that’s exactly it - I’ve been panicking when someone takes damage when it’s probably random. I’ll keep practicing.

I rely on the potion to make up for the lack of interaction while I descend the stairs. I hope it’s still around for midnight haha

[sharp merlin]

No, just run to miniboss

Tell the players to stay on their mount, it’s a race

Stay on the mount, the whole way, I normally shield charge in when I can

[frosty mango]

General rule of thumb for long gather - if they are not standing on top of you or very near you, they are doing it wrong

This includes healers and ranged

First pull of priory everyone should be in your clap range

If they aren’t that’s a them problem

Same with ara, it’s more messy there bc of webs but everyone should be near you

[idle aurora]

In raid with Into the Fray talented - is SB uptime 100% or almost 100% with tiny bits missing around 3min into the fight?

[exotic flower]

itf with normal haste like ~22k will have some small gaps, just have to line them up with times you dont need it basically

[idle aurora]

As a generic rule of thumb - when I’m not tanking the boss just give it a 2-3s downtime?

[nocturne spindle]

boss can hit you without shield block and be fine except like

mythic dragon on saladbar and dimmy

i dont think for raid you really need to plan the downtimes at this point

[sharp merlin]

Thank you!!

[icy citrus]

In which keys do you guys use Block chance talent?

Would like to invest that point into Bloodborne where it is possible

(currently at +18s regarding key level for context)

[jagged pier]

dawnbreaker but honestly at 18 u should just run it

bloodbourne is really not that much of an increase

[icy citrus]

only there?

[jagged pier]

i mean argueably u just take it

[icy citrus]

so you suggest to invest it somewhere else then?

[jagged pier]

no u just take the block chance talent

[icy citrus]

all clear., thanks!
i just had a feeling that i am little too strong with max ilvl for 18s, so i was considering to try without it

[jagged pier]

u can run without it

but not running that talent is like running a 707 when u have a 730 in bags

[mellow bridge]

you mean shield spec?

you should always run that talent unless youre memeing in some low keys

[icy citrus]

ofc, i do that while boosting or chasing 100 log or simmilar

[icy citrus]

but yeah, makes sense

[tardy sequoia]

should i talent BSV for nexus king mythic?

[jagged pier]

no

well if u want

i didnt

[robust path]

how do i see what violent outburst was spent on in a log?

[tardy sequoia]

thank you

should all conquer be soaked? or just one?

cause i'm exploding with soak

xD

[grim pilot]

Damage done -> filter aura

And just look at ss/tc/tb

Little green icon above your dmg breakdown

[safe sky]

I'm contemplating on what to get for my 2nd item with cartel chips. My trinkets are 730 soleah and 717 seaforium. I simmed for dps by adding 730 seaforium and 730 tome. 6 bosses 2 minutes patchwerk, tome sims terrible, even my current combination beats it and 730 soleah + 730 seaforium is at the top. On 1 boss 3 min patchwerk, tome + seaforium gives me the highest but is it really worth it? Defensively it surely should be worse than having soleah with haste right?

I started about 2 months ago so I don't raid, can only take dungeon items. Another choice is upgrading my 727 crafted shield to 730 but I'm not sure how much it affects defensively speaking.

[undone beacon]

Hero Brand of Ceaseless Ire, especially if you don’t raid

[safe sky]

yea but I didn't do any heroic raid either 😄

Don't even have a guild

[undone beacon]

It’s very easy to pug into a normal raid clear, which is all you need to buy hero brand

You could join a group as a dps even and get turbo carried

[safe sky]

and I match that with 730 seaforium?

[undone beacon]

Pacemaker or Soleahs yeah

You already have a myth Soleahs so I’d do hero brand + myth Soleahs

If you’re not planning on raiding you don’t need a Tome

[safe sky]

is brand that good that it's better than any other dg trinket at 717?

[undone beacon]

Yes.

[safe sky]

offensively or defensively?

[undone beacon]

Both

[safe sky]

and one last question, is it a big defensive difference between 727 and 730 shield? 730 shield will have less desireable stats

[undone beacon]

It’s not a backbreaking difference but there is a difference yeah. Having the highest ilvl shield possible is a priority but I would prioritize brand first

Especially because it’s more likely to see a shield in vault

[safe sky]

Okay, thanks for your input. I didn't know doing normal raid was enough to buy heroic version of the items, I'll try to get into one

[undone beacon]

Yee. It’s really not too bad, lots of people blasting them for dinar/rep

[toxic gyro]

Also stats don’t matter much on weapon and shield. They barely have any stats to begin with. Ilvl is king on those.
Mastery isn’t a bad stat, especially when you barely have any of it.

[undone beacon]

Yeah ilvl is priority for weapon/shield regardless of stats

[safe sky]

I don't mind mastery but this character is kinda my alt, it had only 3 vaults opened so far so ilvl is low. My vers is kinda low at 19% and crit is kinda low too at 26% with double dawnthread. Obviously getting better at playing the game would be the biggest boost but at least trying not to troll with my items 😄

[undone beacon]

Just prioritize haste/crit, if you have less than 22k haste run Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray, and go from there

The rest is just practice

And life is good

[tardy sequoia]

i mean is it normal that i get mc'ed even with shield wall and spell reflect?

[safe sky]

I have 21.7k haste, it feels sort of okay for now. Usually like 90%~ uptime

[undone beacon]

During solo soak?

That’s not normal that’s mythic

BA DUM TSSSS

[jagged pier]

Well you shouldnt be dying to it so no its not normal

[tardy sequoia]

should i pop 1 shield wall during solo soak or front wave?

I should get my timing right of cds

[jagged pier]

Why woukd u ever do it for frontal when spell reflect deflects it

[undone beacon]

Yeah just spell reflect the vanquish

[jagged pier]

Deflects

[safe sky]

btw if I manage to get 717 antenna as well, is it also better than 730 seaforium or soleah?

[undone beacon]

Probably not. You can sim it out but, I wouldn’t bother

[tardy sequoia]

on the frontal right?

ok I understand

so spell reflect on vanquish and shield wall on conquer, right

[kind glen]

Had externals for the solo hits. The CD for Demo Shout could sometimes be a bit long depending on combo, so just played it safe since there isn't terribly much the healers would need to external in P1. Deflecting the wave is nice.

[tardy sequoia]

so what would I need for the first solo soak? shield wall + spell reflect is not enough, at full i get mc'ed

[kind glen]

We did Time Dilation > Ironskin > TD

[tardy sequoia]

also technically I would need to keep spell reflection for the frontal

all three together or just one per soak?

[kind glen]

One per soak.

TD is a very powerful external lol

But I would Demo Shout on pull for damage, take first soak with TD+SW, and on second soak have Demo Shout, SW and IS. Third soak TD +SW

This also made it so I could have Spell Reflect+SW+DemoShout for the beam.

[tardy sequoia]

ahh we don't have an evoker rip

[kind glen]

Replace TD with anything else really. It was just a true cheat code for P1 consistency

[tardy sequoia]

when i solo soak even at full health I get mc'ed, is this for the solo soak or something else?

cause at this time, I'm wondering if I'm missing anything

[undone beacon]

What’s your other tank

[undone beacon]

This screenshot is useless, do you have a link to a log?

[robust path]

ty

[frosty mango]

Need some logs
Little man
Put that shit
In my hand
If that link doesn’t show then you owe me owe me owe

Is pash jay or silent bob

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle-love-gif-17962595

[undone beacon]

im bear

[late trellis]

My first two globals when running into Dimensius first platform add (artosion) is shield wall shield charge but he sometimes globals me through shield wall before the shield block activates... if I start the shield charge from further away it helps my chances but I sometimes lose threat/someone gets meleed. The sometimes is maybe like 1-2 times a night, is there something I should be doing here?

The last time he globaled me was a random crit and 8.68mil overkill on shield wall before the shield block activated

[urban portal]

I don’t think tanks can be crit from the front

[restive oak]

you can have an immune soak with you on solo if you need

[warm plinth]

Can't be crit unless you sit, even from behind

[urban portal]

Ok yeah even better

That’s what I thought but I wasn’t sure

[shut summit]

do u still have the phys amp from p1 knock

[vocal wagon]

Fury Warr here, crafting for prot, I have hero 717 1H and shield, which one to craft 727 first?

[sharp merlin]

Shield

always shield

[somber hollow]

are you arriving on the platform really late or something?

[somber hollow]

i didnt mean to sound condescending here just in case 😄

[misty flame]

Quick Question:
How to Solo Soak the Conquer as a ProtWarrior?

IP Full + SW and then for Vanquish Reflect?

Or IP Full + Reflect and then SW for Vanquish?

[jagged pier]

U reflect vanquish

[tardy sequoia]

is AMZ a good external for solo soak?

[mellow bridge]

Compared to any healer external, no

The soak is mixed physical and magical damage; AMZ will reduce only the magical part by 15% while something like a PS would reduce both parts by 40%

(or is AMZ 20%? don't remember, but same shit)

[tardy sequoia]

so good ones are ironbark, monk bubble and time dilation?

[mellow bridge]

Any healer external will do fine as long as you press your own stuff too

[tardy sequoia]

heh yesterday evening I got oneshotted with shield wall + spell reflection

[mellow bridge]

Sounds like you didn't have IP stacked?

[tardy sequoia]

probably not I didn't check, I should this evening

cause really I was full like 90% hp, boom mc'ed

I even re-read the mechanics just to make sure I didn't forget anything but 😅

[mellow bridge]

Ideally you should reflect the vanquish and make sure you go with a stacked IP into the conquer

[tardy sequoia]

stacked IP like 100% right?

[hardy snow]

for such big hits you must have IP, if you deflect vanquish with SR, you save IP for conquer, also don't be afraid to ask healer for external, you can also save demo shout for it, its a dps loss, but you will have less wipes in p1 and therefore more prog

[jolly bough]

Season 3 doesnt end with 11.2.7 right? I got like 50 rating to hit 3k yet. Been playing remix

[strong forum]

s3 ends with 12.0

wait not even

s3 ends with actual launch of Midnight

not with pre-patch iirc

[jagged pier]

Season achievements will end with pre patch

I think

So not december 2nd

But the patch after dat

[strong forum]

im not so sure

[tardy sequoia]

so even if wasting a bit of rage I should spam IP before that big hit right?

[undone beacon]

What’s your other tank?

[nocturne jungle]

is Rend and Hamstring generally not used for the most part?

and Whirlwind

[coarse bay]

Yuh, generally not used

Dont have hamstring or whirlwind on my bars

And rend is low on prio list

[nocturne jungle]

tyty

[coarse bay]

Sorry no rend either actually

Rend is applied via thunderclap

[civic urchin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/btqMgXGCWTr64Jnv?boss=3134&difficulty=5&wipes=1

I found their logs last night and looked a little it’s mostly just blatantly incorrect class stuff. Lots of deaths without using shieldwall. Lots of deaths with 1/2 ignore pains in an entire minute of the fight. Lots of pulls with no shield block or shield charge casts

Like fundamentally they’re just playing completely wrong lol

[jagged pier]

why they not just using thier immune classes to soak with them

its like the easiest solution

they have 5

i mean would still need to press SW i guess

maybe

not sure with nerfed conquer tbh as long as IP and someone in there u may live now

[civic urchin]

I’ve died in the group soak with no shieldwall with minor overkill but i play in bstance full time so idk if def stance would make the difference

[jagged pier]

u should be in dstance on the last 2

no question

theres no point in being in bstance on them

[civic urchin]

Gotta do big dam Tbf it’s week 10 reclear atp and the only thing that actually threatens me is p3 dimmy autos

I wouldn’t do it on prog

[jagged pier]

I got top 10 on nexus without switch from dstance

nothing to do with stances 3% crit is negligable increase

your procs matter far more

[civic urchin]

I mean yeah but it’s also just objectively true you do more damage in battle stance

Procs do matter way more you are correct

[jagged pier]

u do more, but 3% crit is not 3% more damage its less its probably like 1-2% which it literally a difference in play

rank 1 dimi btw

in dstance whenever they are tanking

[undone beacon]

lol. lmao even

Thats why they didnt want to post the logs ig

[jagged pier]

rank 3 dimi

rank 2 has 30% uptime is only out of dstance when in p2

i really suggest when u are tanking be in dstance it makes literally 0 difference to damage

sure damage amps change

off tanking if u want

but it wont make a difference, damage amps it will make a slight difference but also not much

[visual sinew]

Can anyone help me understand the big disparity between my dmg vs my sim? I wasn't logging, just info from details, but my %s seem to match up decently with the sim results. I know my shield slam is low, but sim says I should be doing 2.8m dps and I was only doing 2.0m dps. This is from 3rd boss in a +14 HoA. Sorry the format is kinda sloppy. Sim on the left, me on the right. I also know I need to roar more (hate that button though). I adjusted the sim to the same fight length and with the buffs my party had.

[coarse bay]

Very hard to actually judge anything off that, but lower shield slam dmg could be either low rolling, less resets, or poor shield block uptime

[nocturne spindle]

yea need full logs to judge

[visual sinew]

ah, I did not actually realize shield block was a flat 30% increase on shield slam damage. on fights like this one (high adjudicator) where they are casting a lot I generally don't keep shield block rolling all the time, but I guess I should. thanks

[coarse bay]

Ya thatll be it, should be kept up as much as possible

[visual sinew]

I don't think that accounts for the diff. between 2m and 2.8m tho. curious

[coarse bay]

If you missed that part, then there’s likely other rotational problems too. A log will help point these things out better

[next pasture]

how do i live 3 lines on dimmy? killed me through sw, do i just sr with it?

[civic urchin]

Get hit by the first two at roughly the same time with a cd then your debuff should fall off before the 3rd hits you

[urban portal]

The actual number does not matter

That’s just luck

[half jewel]

I wish I could charge Dimmy on pull since I am tanking first, sucks not getting that extra rage.
bleh

[karmic vortex]

What's the weirdest talent build you guy's have seen on the game?

[gloomy crater]

fully upgraded mythic boots or hero interloper plated sabatons?

[somber hollow]

usually hero interlopers sim better than any myth boots
fake news

[rugged otter]

not for tanks

[fathom oasis]

Tank boots dont give any dps

[sinful copper]

Wrong

[somber hollow]

yeah mb im a dumbass, forgot ours dont do dps

[frosty mango]

I feel like the d stance vs no d stance is pointless

Bc your parse at that level is heavily tier rng dependent

Like you just need reps

[undone beacon]

the only d i need is d stance

ideally you spend the whole fight in glad stance but

blizzard hates that and us

[jagged gust]

Whenever we see a new build in the wild it's an instapost here, you wouldn't believe what some people are cooking

Not to mention some YouTubers, that's definitely a rabbit hole if misguidedness

[frosty mango]

I wouldn’t necessarily say that

The builds used by high end key runners are valid….for them

[jagged gust]

Oh I would, remember when topicx posted that build that didn't take ITF or any rage talents?

[sinful copper]

[karmic vortex]

Yeah, I'm cooking something but I'll need to test it on higher keys and raid. In short, let's say that even the stats are reversed because I'm a Fury main and SW is not talented.

What's the highest stacks you guys get on the dummies?

[undone beacon]

at least 7

[coarse bay]

Stacks of what?…

[strong forum]

7 stacks of friendship

[jagged gust]

eventually the dummy gets so big your game crashes

so that many stacks

[coarse bay]

Ive never tested my friendship stacks on dummies, dont think ive ever seriously hit dummies on a tank

Oh is it a tank dummy mechanic

I remember hitting one on accident on a dps in s1 and dying lmao

[jagged gust]

yeah, damage+size increase

eventually it'll turn into godzilla

and hit like it too

[karmic vortex]

yeah, I got about 159 stacks on the raider dummy and 126 on the 1 dungeon + 2 normal at the top of the tower in Donorgal

I don't have any tank trinkets, so there's a chance I can get higher

[jagged gust]

hire a couple pocket healers, skies the limit

[karmic vortex]

Phase 2 Dimensius size lol

[karmic vortex]

It's like this btw

[jagged gust]

oy vey

[undone beacon]

get this man out of the kitchen

[bronze wraith]

How are we looking going into midnight?

I feel like we are getting pruned something fierce, but not as bad as others

[mellow bridge]

that's certainly a talent cook

[undone beacon]

We're looking fine. Slower, but fine all in all

[bronze wraith]

I hipe not too slow. Our current speed was one of the things I liked the most about us.

[karmic vortex]

Just to mention that my stats are like this rn ('cuz I'm Fury main)

[mellow bridge]

that doesnt make the build any better ngl

on the one hand i'd love to hear your logic

on the other hand...good luck

[toxic gyro]

That build looks cursed af. It’s bad for survival and for dmg.

[jagged gust]

dear god, we're getting slower again?

We're basically bears at this point already

[karmic vortex]

No dmg need, just tank lol

[undone beacon]

Yeah but its not even good at that

[jagged gust]

the biggest issue is you dropped shield charge, which means your block uptime is gonna suffer

plus the other 10 things

well, 5-8 depending on how you count the talent points

[karmic vortex]

Just spamming Ignore Pain. Did tank a +10 with it just fine, need to test it on higher.

[unreal yarrow]

With turbo, a healer could keep up a mage tank in a +10, it doesn't make it a good idea

[jagged pier]

i mean u can do a 10 with any talent setup

doesnt mean u should

[mellow bridge]

even ignoring all the other things

not having SW is just turbo troll

[jagged pier]

it quite funny having tough as nails

but no Shield Block talents for uptime

good value

[unreal yarrow]

Always best to understand cookie cutter builds before going custom

[jagged pier]

but eh i dont pay his sub he can play what he likes

[unreal yarrow]

Those builds are there for a reason

[jagged gust]

I am a big tough as nails fan

[mighty valley]

no UF on Thane is pretty fun

IO with no Shield Wall

i really want to hear the thought process behind this

[jagged pier]

well we know it

[undone beacon]

Shield wall overrated you dont need it for a 10

[jagged pier]

no damage only tank

they said it above

[mighty valley]

got it, maxing tankiness by dropping the tank cd

[undone beacon]

But the result doesnt align with the stated rationale

[jagged pier]

it does to them

sounds like they are using IP over SB

so some of the choices make sense

does it mean its correct or matches the statement to how u know the class?

nope

[undone beacon]

If you wanted pure tanky, why not rune Fight Through the Flames instead of Ravager/Whirling Blade. One does damage, one reduces damage, easy choice cmon

[jagged pier]

its dps main, making a build. what u expect

[undone beacon]

idk you post a build like that in the nest of stinky prot warrs people are gonna comment

[jagged pier]

of course

[chilly brook]

this doesn't mean your talent build is good....

10s are omega easy

[karmic vortex]

Rage generation to ignore the pain, but it's a good tip ngl, thanks friend

[unreal yarrow]

Oh, it was bait

Hook line and sinker

[karmic vortex]

not at all

[native remnant]

very interesting build. will try on my next high keys

[toxic gyro]

For 10 at this point you could take off half of the gear and still be fine. Point is that this build not good for dmg or survival. Indomitable doesn’t do much and snipes passives healing, spikes talent (whatever it’s called) is not good for dmg, way better options for dmg there for 1 point.
Theres few more questionable choices there on both trees, but hey if it makes it happy just play that build.

[toxic gyro]

We don’t care about ignore pain besides few niche situations where you want to have it stacked up. Otherwise we treat it as rage dump to prevent overcap.

[undone beacon]

Eh fuck it its the end of the xpac, play whatever build you wanna. Go nutty with it

As long as you're enjoying it I suppose

I still play Heavy Repurcussions because im a bum

[mellow bridge]

not playing with perma mini bl

smh

[toxic gyro]

I dont like not having 100% uptime on shield block especially in dungeons with perma chains but it is what it is.

[jagged gust]

pff, you say that like I haven't already showered once this week

[proud nimbus]

Bolster bro

[jagged gust]

ugh I hate it when my favorite swears get modded

Bolster can suck a cylindrical object with the radius of a soda can but the length of only a few inches

I press LS like once a week, can't be bothered to remember to use it to keep SB rolling

[karmic vortex]

I use it as a cheat death syncing it with BSV, don't need to use Bolster

[chilly brook]

cheat death

in 10

[idle needle]

this is a banger

makes me happy chode is automodded

[chilly brook]

my brother, please just use the wowhead build

[karmic vortex]

I used to use it, but I noticed that I almost didn't use SW when I did a +12
So I took it out and used the points on other stuff I found more interesting

[chilly brook]

That's a you problem not a build problem

pull bigger, use wall

even if you weren't using wall you just are picking a worse build

[proud nimbus]

Do you know how big you need to pull if you wanna need to use sw without taking backshots

In a 10

[mighty valley]

i mean why even say "i'm cooking something up" if your goal is to do 10-12s

[proud nimbus]

Just go execute build if you dont like defensive talents tbh

[karmic vortex]

I'll test it on a +15 when I have time just to check

[mellow bridge]

[karmic vortex]

that's exactly the reverse of what I want

[karmic vortex]

grats

[mellow bridge]

i dont get it

youre saying in your keys you didnt need to press SW at all

so what you do is drop SW and go for even "tankier" talents instead of just going for more damage?

[coarse bay]

Not using SW is a rotational issue, not a reason to untalent it

Healers heal

Its not like the only time to use SW is when you’ll die otherwise, it reduces damage

[karmic vortex]

Exactly. Tough as Nails generate threat, so I don't need more damage

[mellow bridge]

but why go for "tankier" (which it isnt) if you already didnt need it?

[karmic vortex]

Ignore Pain itself is just enough

[mighty valley]

so you don't want max damage OR max tankiness

[dapper vigil]

Hello hello! Hope this is the right spot to ask, is there a WA that reminds me to intervene an ally targeted by for example Priory's Knight impale cast?

[karmic vortex]

I really don't need max damage, if you have a better max tankiness idea I'm all ears

[mighty valley]

take shield wall LMAO

[unreal yarrow]

The wowhead build

[chilly brook]

?????

[jagged pier]

i mean dont rely on IP for one

[chilly brook]

You say you don't need defensive talents

but then when offensive talents are offered you say that's the opposite of what you need?

I'm so confused lmao

[mighty valley]

shield block is a lot more effective against the majority of damage you take, so you prob want things like shield charge to increase your uptime on it

[unreal yarrow]

Also damage is a good thing

[mighty valley]

thunderlords gives you more casts of demo shout which you've talented into booming voice for

switch IO for Unstoppable Force for the synergies with mountain thane, the hero spec you've chosen

these will all make you sturdier

[karmic vortex]

just to flex to your dps friends, there's no advantage by itself the tank doing monstruous amounts of dps

[mighty valley]

damage is damage

[chilly brook]

yes there is ?

[mighty valley]

doesn't matter where it comes from, it kills mobs

[chilly brook]

things die faster you take less damage

it's a very simple equation

[jagged pier]

prot warrior is built around doing damage the better u play the more rage u generate which in turns means u do more damange and makes u tankier all in one

just as an fyi

[chilly brook]

and when people in keys do mega dam you need to do mega dam

damage is threat

[coarse bay]

I dont wanna heal you

[karmic vortex]

funny, I used it more for free rage, just like demo shout with booming