If you want a major, big circuit tournament in the US, you're looking probably at Combo Breaker or CEO
#protection
pallid quiver
Those are probably the two biggest ones that aren't Evo; after that is probably Frosty Faustings, then the rest are more mid-level events like Slashback, Boston Blue Beat's stuff, etc
proud nimbus
wtf is happening with brann he just randomly 1shots 80mil targets
undone beacon
The power of the hatarang cannot be understated
dusky canopy
jagged pier
boreal haven
Is macroing SB into SS and TC a bad Thing ?
jagged pier
yes
lofty warren
What does "external overlap" mean?
dusky canopy
I assume they’re saying since we can’t have addons in game we’ll have overlays?
And doubtful tbh
lofty warren
Yes but im wondering how such a thing could work?
jagged pier
it cant because it nearly happened last expansion
and they stopp the ability to make them
lofty warren
Is it like the discord overlay? Can an overlay access stuff happening in game?
nocturne spindle
Well like
So overlays were made useless because weakauras did all the things that they could do currently
Previously they invalidated the extra power of overlays because they were reading combat log data and parsing things that even weakauras couldn't see
Now the problem will be screen readers and stuff replacing what weak auras used to do
Do I think it will be an issue no, but that's why people think they might come back
lofty warren
Now the problem will be screen readers and stuff replacing what weak auras used ...
Is it a problem if it fixes a problem? I guess it only is if blizz feels like it is not kosher
finite lily
myth track feet(regular feet) vs heroic feet with the cloak buff?
cold brook
Hey there, returning player to the game here. How good or bad is binding of binding for me as a prot when I play with my girlfriend (who I play every single m+ dungeon with). Or how good is this thing in general? My gf also has the ring, to state the obvious.
mighty valley
I'm guessing it's pretty suboptimal or else we'd see tons of people running it, you'd have to try simming it to see how it competes with normal rings
But if it's not that far behind and you get a kick out of pairing with your gf, that's fun
unreal yarrow
The sim won't help in this case since it gives the stats to the other player
But I agree it is likely worth it if subpar
Especially if you are crafting a ring anyway
Embellishments aren't huge, so the cost is low
cold brook
like I said, my gf would wear it too. Guess i need to run some numbers on this one xD thx for feedback you guys
mighty valley
the strength of your bond will matter more than the strength of your crafted gear embellishments when it comes down to it
serene wave
Hey gang, is it worth crafting jewellery? I have all at 730 apart from rings and neck, should I just farm enough to craft rings and neck 727? Or keep em at 717 for the stats?
This is my chat at the moment, idea is to get shoulders and hands from vault ideally
knotty pewter
Hey there, returning player to the game here. How good or bad is binding of bind...
I think it can be argued its actually the best embellishment overall for the tank and healer to wear. You really dont need to worry about using the active part. Giving stats to your dps is optimal. People on live just dont like running an embellishment like that.
That said, its an embellishment so really doesnt matter. But its popular in the MDI for tanks and healers for a reason.
cold brook
I think it can be argued its actually the best embellishment overall for the tan...
Thats nice. Thanks for your input on that one
nocturne spindle
Yea everyone here hates when I say soleahs gives more stats than pacemaker accounting for the ally buff
knotty pewter
Yep, I think there is also a misconception about the Binding of Binding. A lot of people think it only buffs another person that has the ring. It periodically buffs everyone in the party, regardless of anyone else having the ring.
mellow bridge
BoB is the same thing as it was in S1
frail jungle
would you pick this over crafted wrists with embellishments?
mellow bridge
if you have very good group members that you can trust, it will be a very slight upgrade over a "normal" embellishment
if your group is mediocre, it won't be a gain
and at the end of the day it's super marginal in either direction
mellow bridge
would you pick this over crafted wrists with embellishments?
no, an embellishment is worth more than "bis" stats unless you can get the embellishment somewhere else
unreal yarrow
Is it worth the 3 ilvl loss? I replaced my bracers because raidbots told me too
undone beacon
Yes it’s worth the 3 ilvls on a low budget piece
mellow bridge
Is it worth the 3 ilvl loss? I replaced my bracers because raidbots told me too
an embellishment is better than 3 ilvl on wrists, yes
knotty pewter
if you have very good group members that you can trust, it will be a very slight...
i see what youre saying but i dont think that logic holds up. it randombly buffs people throughout the dungeon. high skill or low skill its still a percentage gain to either one.
its not like high skill players are playing around the buffs in anyway.
nocturne spindle
Yea people are weird about sims and stuff
knotty pewter
people that play poorly surely are taking less advantage but they still gain more than they otherwise would
nocturne spindle
Like sure it's on other people but that stat is worth less on you if you aren't playing perfectly
That logic goes both ways
Are you matching sim dps Everytime?
dusky canopy
Vibe > sim
knotty pewter
vibe is important
I run binding of binding for vibe though. and I dont sim anything ever
nocturne spindle
my other vibe take
is i think pacemaker is actually kinda worse for tanks than it sims
specifically because it procs on first hit, we lose alot of its rating in the giga big pulls where we spend 5-10 seconds gathering
undone beacon
Are you matching sim dps Everytime?
Well of course because I’m a god gamer and the robot guides my hand
Sims actually built on one-button so just use that and you’ll match it every time easy
sharp merlin
is i think pacemaker is actually kinda worse for tanks than it sims
If not pace, antenna?
nocturne spindle
trueeeee
my hot take is soleahs for dungeons
but antenna is numerically better
and the pacemaker thing is very minor tbh
undone beacon
My vibe take is that antenna is a butts trinket and i hate it
It’s numerically strong but the orb minigame is annoying af
nocturne spindle
yea i dont wanna look for orbs in a huge pull
i literally just always run soleahs
undone beacon
Real men run both Tome and Codex in every situation and fight the baddies with two different books in hand
We must become literate
I like running netherprism on my bear personally
warm plinth
What kind of degenerate shit is going on in here
undone beacon
Prob gonna spend my next dinar on a myth prism and be big silly
undone beacon
Standard guardian druid things nothing to see here
mortal cypress
https://tenor.com/view/wrestler-woo-stoked-crazy-excited-gif-4961243
woo is a good catch phrase tbh
trim timber
Does anyone know the approximation of shield walls effective cooldown with 95-100% uptime
nocturne spindle
what
tardy sequoia
given equal item level (707) should I get shoulder or hands? both tier set
what's the prio?
heavy hazel
is the interlooper boots that important, the once with the 40% reshii bla bla? Having a disagreement with a guilde about even tho they sim lower then myth track boots they still are much more value?
we do HC, so the HC interloopers is what im comparin regular myth track boots with
warm plinth
is the interlooper boots that important, the once with the 40% reshii bla bla? H...
From a purely defensive standpoint, they are probably better than myth boots. But since 99% of living comes from proper play, that's not really saying much.
undone beacon
more stats per ilvl
I thought shoulders and gloves were on the same budget?
tardy sequoia
From a purely defensive standpoint, they are probably better than myth boots. B...
thanks, I also have myth 8/8 wep (plexus) and shield (protector from m+), should i buy event horizon and oath breaker?
warm plinth
no, stats don't matter on weapon or shield, just ilevel
tardy sequoia
but then why on both wowhead and icyveins they're listen as BiS?
warm plinth
Because they have the two higher stats on the stat priority
warm plinth
I thought shoulders and gloves were on the same budget?
Kind of. Shoulders have more armor, but the same of everything else
undone beacon
Gotcha, yeah. Same stat budget aside from armor
warm plinth
Chest/Legs/Head
Shoulders/Feet/Hands/Waist
Wrist/Cloak
Left to right is most armor to least for that tier
Only one that might be wrong is wrist/cloak armor-wise. Couldn't be bothered to check since we have artifact cloak
Also, at least at Mythic 0 level, the belt in Dawnbreaker has 1 more secondary than the belts in the other dungeons 
mighty valley
Head/Shoulders
Knees/Toes
orchid parcel
What does the increased haste on prot actually doing, does it reduce cooldowns of ss/sb/tc?
past summit
OK, like 3 times in the last day I have had blood DKs taunt off me many times, and when I ask them about it, they say they are not taunting. Does anyone know if blood dks have some ability in their rotation that automatically taunts?
nocturne spindle
lorgssss
robust herald
hi someone can help me for fix my prot warr?
restive fulcrum
OK, like 3 times in the last day I have had blood DKs taunt off me many times, a...
Grip taunts, could be occurring if they're trying to mouseover grip something else but is used on what I assume is a boss, also if playing San'Layn the end of every DRW is a sizeable damage instance in a single GCD which can rip threat
mighty valley
What does the increased haste on prot actually doing, does it reduce cooldowns o...
Reduced sb cooldown, reduced gcd timer, more auto attacks for ss resets, which means more rage which means more cdr
lotta stuff
past summit
Grip taunts, could be occurring if they're trying to mouseover grip something el...
I dont think it is a grip. It is happening on bosses with no other mobs around and when i significantly overpower the dk in gear (this is in remix) ... I will be on a boss with an overwhelming amount of threat and if there is a dk tank in the group, he will rip all threat from all the other tanks. This is not happening with other classes, just dks
toxic gyro
Maybe they spiked the boss, or got random procs. Why do you even care about who’s tanking boss on remix? It’s a loot piñata all around.
restive fulcrum
yeah I've got no idea what's going on over in remix land
past summit
Maybe they spiked the boss, or got random procs. Why do you even care about who’...
I dont "care" but I am curious about the mechanics and why it is dks specifically
lofty wren
Helou, can someone me explain me how should I distribute my stats i am heavy on crit and haste actually I have next to nothing mastery maby 4k or 5k same goes for versa. And I have 27k crit and around 25k haste. I have seen that many warriors aren't runing this much crit, so what should I do?
Should I get rid of this much crit and put it in versa or mastery?
undone beacon
lofty wren
How to sim that i dont get it, like i need to ask sim bot should I get more versa or mastery??????
pallid quiver
How to sim that i dont get it, like i need to ask sim bot should I get more vers...
Stats defensively are close enough, other than having a baseline haste enough to run ITF, that you optimize for damage, so you just sim like you're a DPS
The exact breakpoints will depend on what gear you have available to you and exact combinations of stats
lofty wren
The problem is that i have alot of crafted items so if I recraft all of them I can get 15k into othe stat that is why I ask I don't know how to sim for smth that I can recraft
coarse bay
Under top gear, you can add the crafted items recrafted into different stat options
nocturne spindle
you basically just select all the stat option for the crafted pieces for whatever you wanna switch
frank bobcat
Anyone still rocking colossus in keys?
lament osprey
frank bobcat
☠️
indigo hawk
For the 2nd pull of dawnbreaker, the lust one : How do you manage to not aggro the pnj around the boat ? I try to move the big one on the pull but he don’t want to move and cast in chain…
I just got insulted for that so idk what to do here
pulsar epoch
For the 2nd pull of dawnbreaker, the lust one : How do you manage to not aggro t...
im just praying there it wont happen
indigo hawk
I don’t understand how they can think this is a good design to add pnj so close that cast every second if you aggro them… blizzard plz
fallen marlin
Dawnbreaker is full of bugs so you just need to pray i guess 😅
sharp merlin
I’m tired of ignoring everyone
ahaha everyone hates everyone else in this game, the hatred people have in pugging is wild, I actually question if anyone even enjoys playing WoW
or people want to do high keys, and then get into high keys and panic lol big time.
indigo hawk
But yesterday, i did like 5 danwbreaker +19 and i got insulted in like 4 of them…
Sometime I really question myself why I play with people like that
And after dps complain of queue simulator for 45+ min before finding a tank on Reddit
sharp merlin
But yesterday, i did like 5 danwbreaker +19 and i got insulted in like 4 of them...
Yeah and this is why as soon as I got resi 17, I don't pug anymore, cause everyone is angry at each other
but sadly, my team are like 2 resi keys below me so they're using my key to catch up
bronze pasture
guys I play a healer and yesterday in Arakara the prot warr in my group took extreme ticking damage I think it was from the bats before the final boss.. corrupted blood something? whats that all about do tanks have to get rid of the stacks somehow? ;O
sharp merlin
guys I play a healer and yesterday in Arakara the prot warr in my group took ext...
We have Avatar and Dwarf Racial, and Leap for the stacking dot, but I have good comms with a healer who I tell I can remove the stacks or not
bronze pasture
We have Avatar and Dwarf Racial, and Leap for the stacking dot, but I have good ...
aha so there's definitely something that the tank has to handle, k thx 🙂
sharp merlin
I mean..
a good tank will skillfully time their Avatar
but it's also your job to remove stacks too
bronze pasture
oh no i didnt mean the magic debuff, I dispel that constantly yeah
indigo hawk
Yeah and this is why as soon as I got resi 17, I don't pug anymore, cause everyo...
This is the sad truth
bronze pasture
there was something else
too bad I cant tell you what right now im at work ;/
it was only +12 and he had 720 ilvl and the ticking dmg he took wasl ike.. 3 ticks and his entire bar was gone
sharp merlin
This is the sad truth <:sadge:820202363359854633>
It's not worth it, the dps are also accountable, as it's their job to delete the mobs. And sadly finding really, really good dps, is really tough
indigo hawk
it was only +12 and he had 720 ilvl and the ticking dmg he took wasl ike.. 3 tic...
Normally bat don’t charge tank, the only danger her is the stack on the tank that you need to dispell
indigo hawk
It's not worth it, the dps are also accountable, as it's their job to delete the...
Sadly I would enjoy the push a lot more if I could play fully muted, like I did in LoL.
But that’s kind of sad to do in an MMO
sharp merlin
Sadly I would enjoy the push a lot more if I could play fully muted, like I did ...
hmm.. I wouldn't personally want someone in my team to be mute - communication is king.
But it's more the fact when you go into a key, you're fighting the other players, not working as a team. I've also had dps lose their shit cause their overall suffered for various reasons, and have pointed at me for it. Or lose their shit cause they ass pulled some mob we weren't supposed to, but still managed to blame the tank
indigo hawk
Yeah the muting is not an option because we need to talk a lot about strat before starting at this level.
The big problem is of the tank fail -> tank die -> everybody die -> everybody are mad at tank -> everybody insult and blame tank
Even if, like you Said, it’s not tank fault
sharp merlin
I mean I've seen players angry even if we time the key, so it's a bit wild
I've never experienced this in pvp games, and I played high level in CS
indigo hawk
If you want to see the real toxicity in a pvp game, try LoL, you will understand what toxicity mean in this game ahah
sharp merlin
oh I know, and CS is super toxic too, don't you worry ahahah
untold flame
hey guys, i havent played prot since wod. what should i focus on stat wise
right now im at
crit : 26%
haste: 46%
mast: 16%
Vers: 20%
indigo hawk
hey guys, i havent played prot since wod. what should i focus on stat wise
The goal is 25k haste to be confortable with shield block up time, after that it’s sim
untold flame
okey, tyvm so i can drop some haste then ty!
tardy sequoia
given protector shield 8/8 and hero brand, should I get (with dinars) ward of weaving beast and upgrade it or myth brand?
warm plinth
How many times do you have to be told that the stats on shield and weapon don't matter bro
unreal yarrow
Bis lists are traps. Gotta read the paragraphs explaining stuff and sim. True for all classes and specs.
warm plinth
He's asked a variation of that same question at least 3 times and been given an answer each time that I've seen it
indigo hawk
But How can I survive if I don’t have the good stat on my shield that give me the 0.01% more damage I need ?? 
compact rune
anyone doing mythic nexus king as a prot war know if shield wall + trinket + spell reflect is sufficient to solo soak? or does prot need an external too?
frosty mango
It should be but it will be tenuous
You can look at logs of kills to get a sense of how it’s being handled
Tank externals are in short supply for most raid comps sadly
dusky canopy
Isn’t an immunity spec able to hop in with the tank on solo set to help with that?
I might be making shit up I need to consume caffeine still 😆
shut summit
ye we just put an immunity in each solo soak to simplify it
warm plinth
frosty mango
I dunno that spider web shield in s1 was proper shitty
warm plinth
Smh
somber hollow
anyone doing mythic nexus king as a prot war know if shield wall + trinket + spe...
always get an external, better safe than sorry and theres no better place to external someone on that fight
gleaming widget
Both trinkets on myth, myth Pacemaker or hero IRE? Not raiding so won't get either antenna or IRE myth
night scroll
gritty relic
Is binding of binding worth it for m+?
I have 2 duskthread currently.
I have a hunter i run with regularly and were debating creating the rings and docking binding each other.
cunning moth
Is there a cheat sheet somewhere about spell reflectable spells in M+ ?
Nvm i'm silly i found it in pinned
strong forum
Is binding of binding worth it for m+?
I have 2 duskthread currently.
I have a...
if you consider a 0.3% side-grade worth 
vital vale
this dot on the orb miniboss in dawn is avoidable?
cus it says i took over 100million avoidable dmg taken from this dot
what causes this dot
mellow bridge
it's when you touch the orb
errant wagon
this dot on the orb miniboss in dawn is avoidable?
It is indeed very avoidable..no touchy the big purple ball!
errant wagon
Yea even as a tank if you get clipped by it you're a little scared
vital vale
yeah i figured id touch it a bit cus i was aiming the next black edge off
i usually dont tho
was just awkward timing
fleet flicker
it has a windup time before it does damage as well, you can point it where you want and leap through boss and you won't take damage
need to be a bit quick about it though
errant wagon
Oh that's interesting, I always just leap to the side. Is that the same for the boss too?
fleet flicker
not sure, I just remember seeing andy do that with the miniboss
fleet flicker
Oh that's interesting, I always just leap to the side. Is that the same for the ...
oh right I thought I recognized you
hi matlab guy 👋
errant wagon
Oh that's hilarious
I daylight as a M+ prot warrior champ
Matlab is the night gig 😎
fleet flicker
😎
fresh belfry
why are there 0 colossus logs for salhadaar and dimensius
lost jetty
Right when the orb mechanic goes off you can literally just run right through and it won’t clip you
As long as you’re standing in the circle
errant wagon
Right when the orb mechanic goes off you can literally just run right through an...
do you know if that goes for the boss too? and for non-tanks?
I would assume so but good knowledge to have for DPS uptime
lost jetty
do you know if that goes for the boss too? and for non-tanks?
I would assume so ...
Yes. While you may not be interested in the content itself look at quaziis most recent video in the background he has a dawnbreaker run going. Just skip ahead to the mini boss and you’ll see him do it
Trick is to make sure you don’t go too early or you’ll flip the whole ball back at your group and surely wipe lmao
errant wagon
lmao, new troll potential unlocked on lower keys
lost jetty
The video is him talking about mythic plus levels but he just plays a DB run
errant wagon
ok cool thanks for the tip, I'll take a look
lost jetty
Yeah for sure
dusky canopy
mighty valley
why are there 0 colossus logs for salhadaar and dimensius
people raiding at that level aren't usually interested in playing the spec that does less damage for no gain
mighty valley
follow your dreams
fresh belfry
me and my gang
fresh belfry
people raiding at that level aren't usually interested in playing the spec that ...
theres another explenation. if you have a better MT parse the colossus parse wont show up
🙁
mighty valley
Weird
thin minnow
is it essential to do meld skip on floodgate if we want to time 18/19?
sharp merlin
It’s not a timing issue, just a healing issue
It’s super punishing, look out for our healers, they need some love
thin minnow
i see. gotcha
strong forum
me and my gang
Based name
round pendant
how much you chargin for those carries
I wish I got paid for that
loud sigil
Heroic interlopers or Crafted boots?
undone beacon
crafted boots
ashen kestrel
are there any good strats on how to handle the first big pull in AK to make it more consistent?
i do the same thing every time but its pretty 50/50 for me, sometimes it goes okay and other times horribly bad
is it just a case of healer being strong and dps not sperging out until everything is in?
i usually try to dismount at the bottom of the stairs and start leaping and charging to get across, just for aggro purposes
this is what my most recent fail looked like meters wise, i almost solo saved it - healing looks kinda low for a 13, granted he did die second
no one was taking melees tho from what I can see
loud sigil
crafted boots
Ty
serene wave
What do you guys recommend stats wise? Like what number should I aim for for haste and crit ?
sharp merlin
are there any good strats on how to handle the first big pull in AK to make it m...
From my success, I even tell the shaman not to put earth shield on me. But I tell everyone to stay mounted and sprint under the miniboss, it’s a race to the miniboss basically and everyone has to fight the urge to hold it till they’re under the mini
TLDR: Mount the whole way there 😎
Use the shock pot too
grim pilot
It’s super punishing, look out for our healers, they need some love
It also should be hard on the tank as well, those mobs hit very hard
grim pilot
are there any good strats on how to handle the first big pull in AK to make it m...
First 2 packs mount aggro, 3rd clap into charge, revenge and tc packs before bridge -> leap, revenge and some tc/shield charge here and there
sharp merlin
First 2 packs mount aggro, 3rd clap into charge, revenge and tc packs before bri...
Too much, just sprint it 🤣
ashen kestrel
First 2 packs mount aggro, 3rd clap into charge, revenge and tc packs before bri...
jsut timed a 14 mounting all the way basically - granted the group in general was much better
nice feeling though when you get it done after all the tank blame before hand
sharp merlin
Tank blame is normally cause the healer panics and heals, therefore getting all the aggro and dying
My shaman healer friend just couldn’t comprehend it, he would panic every time despite me begging him not to heal till everyone was under the boss
ashen kestrel
Tank blame is normally cause the healer panics and heals, therefore getting all ...
true - was a rare solid group for this point of the season, think we finished 4 mins under with no skips
sinful copper
is it essential to do meld skip on floodgate if we want to time 18/19?
I think so. I'm doing 18s now and incorporated eco sentinel skip and flood last pull skip
sharp merlin
I did it on 17 with 5 min under, it’s crazy how much good dps can make a difference
ashen kestrel
I did it on 17 with 5 min under, it’s crazy how much good dps can make a differe...
for real brother - i got most 12s done week 1 then got lazy / played other games
13s-15s are a shitshow right now, i shouldve kept up early
sharp merlin
But now I think im gonna only play with my pre-made, every 18/19 key that’s mine is just people who have no business applying for it.
And if I join someone else’s resi key, they’re secretly boosting someone
I get it, you time it, you don’t wanna do it again, I understand. It must be even worse as a solo dps pugger
ashen kestrel
I get it, you time it, you don’t wanna do it again, I understand. It must be eve...
resil keys did a number on homework keys
but i do get it
thin minnow
I think ill be happy with a resi 18 for the season
ashen kestrel
i think if i could get resi 16 ill be decently happy, 1 up from last season
then go again in MN
thin minnow
But now I think im gonna only play with my pre-made, every 18/19 key that’s mine...
Im actually fine with that. I get my reps in, im happy
sharp merlin
Im actually fine with that. I get my reps in, im happy
Yeah but I can only take mis timing keys by 3-5 seconds so many times in a row
thin minnow
Lol time for a break
sharp merlin
Indeed
strong forum
are there any good strats on how to handle the first big pull in AK to make it m...
some smallies just attack random players aswell, so its not entirely aggro related
ashen kestrel
some smallies just attack random players aswell, so its not entirely aggro relat...
yeah the flyers can be a pain, i just mount up from now on
and if people attack early and get meleed
🤷♂️
strong forum
ya if people by now dont understand that YOU DONT ATTACK UNTIL YOURE AT BIG GUY then idk man
it aint that hard man
sharp merlin
It is tho
Well it’s harder for the healer cause there could be a poison dot on someone and they want to stop and dispel
ashen kestrel
as a healer you almost need to be hand in hand with the tank or a little bit ahead of the pack
at least i found when playing one
nocturne spindle
eh
you can stop at the bottom of the stairs
gather everything
then move on to gather the platform
nocturne spindle
healer shouldnt ever get agro
strong forum
considers life choices
and THEN starts to chain
cuz DPS will take stopping as a sign of "okay this is it we send"
<- a dps who just used CDs cuz tank jerked off for 3 seconds
sharp merlin
than a tank who stops
As a tank, I even get triggered 😆
strong forum
real
im also the menace that pulls for other tanks
when they are doing dumbass baby pulls
sharp merlin
That’s okay as long as you bring them to the tank
I like it when range pull for me and you hear the healer screeching and panicking 😆
strong forum
well i play melee if im not the tank
sharp merlin
Oh
strong forum
9/10 im the tank cuz i dont get to play fun things
sharp merlin
I think tanking is fun
strong forum
its gotten a lot less fun over the years idk
sharp merlin
Has plenty of skill expression, despite all the anger aimed at them the message of someone saying “holy shit good tanking” makes my day
undone beacon
I started tanking for skipping queues and I continue to tank for that reason
sharp merlin
resil keys did a number on homework keys
Is that why when I put an 18 up, people who haven’t even timed a 16 are begging to join?
I don’t mind bringing you to my 18 but at least have some 17s under your belt
sharp merlin
I started tanking for skipping queues and I continue to tank for that reason
That too
undone beacon
The more I can just fuck off and play my survival hunter tho the happier I am
oblique garnet
strong forum
supple meadow
Nome is just simply the prot warrior
tribal wharf
i only go to coolprotwarriors.gov
i missed some cool happenings
apparently
by an hour
ashen kestrel
that feeling when you get to gigazap with 7 mins left and we brick the key
round pendant
I feel like brand sucks for dawnbreaker
ashen kestrel
I feel like brand sucks for dawnbreaker
definitely not great in dawn compared to other keys - usually its doing 600+m for me and in the last dawn i did it was 366m
with this route
little bit of flying around but not a crazy amount, only 3 non miniboss pulls
naive panther
I get much higher dps out of brand on monk than warrior. But getting better on the war with watching stack count. But yeah dawn its kinda meh.
tired rain
I'm by no means a tank player/expert - hoping somebody can help - our tanks are a blood dk and a prot warrior and our prot warrior loses aggro to the blood dk constantly even though their damage is near identical. I have a log of a moment it happens for example if anyone can help me out
undone beacon
Can’t do much without logs
But a prot warr shouldn’t be losing aggro to anyone really
sharp merlin
What do we need to track on brand?
sinful copper
I'm by no means a tank player/expert - hoping somebody can help - our tanks are ...
And where is this log u have? Lol
I don't think that prot warrior should lose aggro, especially to a blood dk
fathom oasis
I'm by no means a tank player/expert - hoping somebody can help - our tanks are ...
Just send the log lol, anonimize it if you want
lament osprey
tardy sequoia
any particular stuff I should be mindful of besides correctly swapping fracture with eye beam and avoiding stuff on the floor, on the Soul Hunters mythic?
maybe some positioning? besides putting them always together?
cerulean tusk
I have no idea, not done the raid. Just want to say:
Just press spellblock 
somber hollow
any particular stuff I should be mindful of besides correctly swapping fracture ...
before its your turn to tank the beam, drag the add a bit further from the flame wall, so you'll have easier time + can charge
and not sure how much does the beam hurt after the turboboost, but prep some rage for ignore pains
if you will still struggle, take the talent that improves spell reflect by additional 10%, right on the prot tree
mellow bridge
Make sure you guys are taunt swapping during the eyebeam already
You'll get a fel blade that will hurt a bit this way but it's a lot better than tanking the buffed dot the entire time
Press small defensive on taunt, bigger defensive on eyebeam and frac you can just take natty really
ashen kestrel
What do we need to track on brand?
Not necessarily that you NEED to track anything, but having a stack counter is nice to remind you when you’re not in combat and losing stacks to hurry your ass up
Stacks fall off pretty fast once combat drops
sharp merlin
ah fair
astral spade
Hey quick question, we are progging mythic nexus king and our warrior is getting clapped through cds on solo soaks… what are things you guys are popping for it to live? Unfortunately our healer comp is pres mw sham hpriest so not many externals to give
tardy sequoia
thanks all, appreciated
blissful pecan
Hey quick question, we are progging mythic nexus king and our warrior is getting...
Should have shield wall + some amount of IP for every soak, on 1+3 get TD from the pres, on 2 use demo shout + a dps with an immunity soaking with the tank (probably not necessary but will make it safer if you can spare one). Save spell reflect for the frontal.
fathom oasis
Hey quick question, we are progging mythic nexus king and our warrior is getting...
I feel like we get this exact question every day
undone beacon
Every tank discord does
Nexus King is a pretty notable “is my tank alive at the keyboard” check
fathom oasis
ye we just put an immunity in each solo soak to simplify it
One solution
jagged pier
I mean the first question is whats the other tank?
fathom oasis
Another answer
jagged pier
The second question is are they pressing sw because after nerfs u can just sorta take it
undone beacon
I was super worried going into my first nexus king prog night on the bear but then I actually got pulls in and was like
Oh okay
The annoying part about that fight is bear is still bugged
jagged pier
Its any druid form
undone beacon
Last I heard it was (mostly) fixed for the other specs
And I didn’t have the bug if I shifted out of bear before a wipe
Not an exact science though
fathom oasis
At any rate, Ctrl+F "solo soak" provides a lot of info
jagged pier
will u eveer equip mud?
undone beacon
Brewmaster can handle solo soak pretty easily
undone beacon
Nah brew is chill with solo
astral spade
Isn’t it kinda random what tank gets the solo soak tho?
jagged pier
no
undone beacon
No
dusky canopy
nO
jagged pier
if hes supposed ot get the solo soak they take the one u get in the sequence
u soak the other one
its not like the 4th circle must be solo
its oh the tank thats soloing got that circle
he solo
undone beacon
Group soak is conquer on 1/3, solo is conquer on 2/4, the same tank can always take 1/3 or 2/4
jagged pier
☝️
undone beacon
If you taunt swap every ability you’ll never end up with a tank taking two of the same mechanic
astral spade
Ah okay news to me sorry I’m just a lowly pres Evoker
undone beacon
You’re good! It’s a little obtuse when you first start progging, at least if you’re a dumb bear like me
You gotta see it in action in a few pulls to get the rhythm
mellow bridge
Hey quick question, we are progging mythic nexus king and our warrior is getting...
wdym not many externals
pres can TD 2 of em and MW can cocoon once and it's free
jagged pier
gs too
undone beacon
ill take u with just cloak proc
jagged pier
undone beacon
astral spade
He was saying he always lived w a cloak proc 😂😂
mellow bridge
i mean u can take it with just cloak proc
sure but let's be real
most healers just sit on those externals for ages
so just use them 
jagged pier
yer i know
mellow bridge
- if the warr isnt the best, it will make it super failsafe
so miyra
press TD
thank
undone beacon
yeah I'd just make the brew do it because its kinda free if they understand their kit
But if warr has to, now you know
dusky canopy
No u
jagged pier
undone beacon
undone beacon
If only warriors still had spell block, we'd be the best solo soakers for sure mmhm
astral spade
Justice for warriors
jagged pier
If only warriors still had spell block, we'd be the best solo soakers for sure m...
it wouldnt work on it
undone beacon
i cant believe they killed warrior in 11.2
undone beacon
undone beacon
yeah but where you settling down
solid sun
On the horde mountain
undone beacon
I want the plot by the Four Sisters
solid sun
I have not looked at plot numbers I’m so behind the curve
undone beacon
ill pull officer corruption rank to get it
solid sun
Pash can I join your guild so I can be in an active neighborhood
undone beacon
Honestly, don't think that would bve an issue lol
solid sun
If only
round pendant
My friends are being huge Debbie downers rn
how so
solid sun
Oh just about anything and everything
Mad about UI stuff, mad about the new approach of simplifying things, mad about more void stuff, mad about multiple raids in the first tier, lol… at this point I think they just find stuff to decide to be mad about. Mad that housing has legacy things
It’s tiresome
dusky canopy
solid sun
round pendant
Oh just about anything and everything
Mad about UI stuff, mad about the new app...
Those aren't valid things to be unhappy about?
idk about the housing thing
multiple raids in the first tier is such a whatever thing tho since it practically makes zero difference
solid sun
This might sound crazy, Yam
But idc if they’re valid or not
I just wanna game and have fun
I don’t find dooming to be particularly fun or enjoyable, and I currently don’t even see any reason to doom anyways
mellow bridge
3 crabs on swampface is pretty meh
and not skipping last 2 guys
but with a good group it could time the key, yes
pulsar epoch
i dont know what to kill if i skip last 2 😭
nocturne spindle
well your missing the loaderbots that are like free
do you actually not pull those
undone beacon
I just wanna game and have fun
Based
There’s validity in dooming but also like, idk people are exhausting
And if you have the be the person in the group constantly corralling people, it’s doubly so
mellow bridge
i dont know what to kill if i skip last 2 😭
this would be a pretty standard route
need someone to pull g10 for you in pull 1, if they cant then you can just take them in pull 2 or 3 and it's w/e
divers on swampface are chained, not all 6 at once
that route does kinda require a dk for pull 6
if you dont have one, you need to get a bit more creative with the route
blazing shuttle
Pull 10 feels like suicide (with pugs)
mellow bridge
if your group isnt capable of kicking 3 divers, you are not going to time this key on an 18 lmao
it's literally just one melee kick per diver
blazing shuttle
I mean this is why I've said with pugs
unreal yarrow
What key level do you start skipping the two at the end of flood?
blazing shuttle
I did not know people pug that key, at all.
mellow bridge
What key level do you start skipping the two at the end of flood?
dunno, there is no fixed keylvl for it 🤷♂️
it's good at whatever keylvl you consider a pushkey for yourself
blazing shuttle
The skip is done with the nelf racial/potion, right?
Pull the two back, group passes...
unreal yarrow
Yeah, potion and leap
blazing shuttle
I'm going to have to watch a video as how to do it properly.
unreal yarrow
It's easy so long as your group is quick. Your healer has to not heal and put themselves in combat
blazing shuttle
Watching now, thanzk you.
blazing shuttle
Wait, it's even easier than I expected. Thank you @pulsar epoch.
mellow bridge
the only hard part about that is how much dmg your group will take
blazing shuttle
This is a perfect forces route, 10/10
I HAVE QUESTIONS AND I MUST ASK THEM
orchid narwhal
I HAVE QUESTIONS AND I MUST ASK THEM
Out of curiosity
What key level are you doing
clear crest
blazing shuttle
I've stopped at 15s.
(Due to PC problems, I was away from the game for 3 weeks. RIght before the turbo boost.)
Why?
orchid narwhal
Its a bit of a very difficult route for that key level
The average player in that key level pretty much will make it suicide
15s and ish are timeable with normal routes, don't have to do much fancy
blazing shuttle
As I have realised. It was mostly a joke, as of the question.
fleet flicker
TIL
if you tank 2nd ara boss by the stairs the caster adds will always spawn on tank
add will always spawn on nearest wall
tribal wharf
it must be blind luck that ppl discover any of that stuff
theres no other way you know, that, if you stand 15.5 degrees to the left, the attack will just miss
all the math and whatever is in the game sure, but its like the odds of your playing cod and you get 7 bounce grenade kill for final kill
that or some SERIOUS prodding
queen bobcat
I honestly don't get what issue people here have with Shield Spec. I tried running without it today and while I did take about 100k more DPS I also healed that much more. Damage was about 23% higher with bloodsurge instead of shield spec and rage gen was 25% higher. Higher Avatar uptime and more VOs. So what exactly am I missing?
We did run with an aug, so numbers are probably a bit scuffed but yeah.
tribal wharf
i wonder if its some sort of "block map" ish https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Blockmap type thing or a verticle check or what
the spider spawns on the wall
things get funky if an actor is in a different or on multiple block maps at once
queen bobcat
I honestly don't get what issue people here have with Shield Spec. I tried runni...
We used to be happy with 42.5% block value (half of max crit block). We now have 57% and yet people say it's not good unless we reach 61% with shield spec.
I mean just look at the CPM difference...
More rage > more Avatar > more casts for both TB and SS
So either I'm missing something big or people are just parroting what they heard other people say
tribal wharf
arakara is being shown on MDI on twitch RN btw
looks like they might be attempting what u say
coarse bay
I mean just look at the CPM difference...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...
Not in argument against what youre saying, but id like to think that there are far too many variables involved between each run to only compare 2 runs
queen bobcat
Yeah, I agree. Especially with the Aug in one of them. Gonna test it some more
What really got me curious though is that I'm taking less average dmg from melees without Shield Spec. I'm guessing that's because of the Aug but I don't know if it would make such a huge difference
jagged pier
The only number u need to know for shield spec, if u arent taking it, its the same as running a 707 when u have a 730 in your bag
Defensively in terms of damage reduced
Thats the difference
queen bobcat
Then explain this
Again, one run is not enough data. Will do some more but this is really not a huge difference
The difference in rage gen and damage is insane though
25% more rage is crazy
jagged pier
Yes lets compare 2 completely different runs
Thats are completely different times
And have completely different teams
coarse bay
Ya comps, players, everything is too variable
coarse bay
If packs die faster
jagged pier
Thats number i said is literally from the maths of the block value u loose
coarse bay
Dont think aug does anything for tank anymore anyways does it?
jagged pier
U took nearly 1000 more melees hits in one dungeon
queen bobcat
Dont think aug does anything for tank anymore anyways does it?
That's what I though
jagged pier
Of course youll take more damage in that key
queen bobcat
U took nearly 1000 more melees hits in one dungeon
Look at the average hit damage
jagged pier
It literally has a tabk buff it can only place on the tank
coarse bay
Maybe the prio mobs died faster and u took less big hits
tribal wharf
some times i envy tanks that can just dodge or parry attacks
oh, okay, i take ZERO dmg
instead of number
queen bobcat
Of course youll take more damage in that key
Would that not support my point though? Cause that key was without shield spec....
And it's 100k more per second while I heal more than that more per second
Healing is 110k higher
CPM are higehr
coarse bay
some times i envy tanks that can just dodge or parry attacks
The counter to that is if unlucky, you splat or just take more than usual
jagged pier
So thats just 3% dr on lile everything
tribal wharf
yeah, i used to know bdk, and it was livelord entire dungeon or splat rip key
queen bobcat
Ok, even with the added 3%, the average melee hit is still lower
heck, even if it were 5% higher, who cares?
tribal wharf
thats how 100% of his keystones as he tank went
queen bobcat
A lot more rage gen and a lot more dmg
coarse bay
Like i said, if the big hitting mobs die sooner due to better prio dmg or something u’ll have lower average too
Lots if variables can happen
tribal wharf
thing i dont like about bdk is u have no DR, for like, if there is like, fire stacks mechanics
queen bobcat
Run took longer. Damage was lower
as you can see by the amount of melee hits I took
Yet I did 1.1 mil DPS more
jagged pier
Like theres so much that u cant compare here, u have different trinkets i each run different cast of IV in both more revenge casts in one over the other, u probably have different VO usage in both
queen bobcat
23%
jagged pier
All this contributes to that healing number u are seeing let alone damage
queen bobcat
Sure. But my argument is, even if we end up taking 5% more melee dmg and even if the rage increase is only 10% and the damage increase is only 10%, it would still be worth it imho
toxic gyro
Bloodsurge is a not a 23% kind of talent.
jagged pier
If you remove all variables the maths is what i have i quoted u cannot compare different runs
If u dont want to run shield spec dont
And the healing isnt healing we dont heal ourselfs its not moving are hp pool its jjst going into an absorb
Whivh is overcapped mpst of the time anyway
jagged pier
Well its slightly less in the logs u showed
And again everything i said above contributes to damage
U ran tome.in 1 run and antenna in tbe other
I wonder what does more overall
So would do kore overall leech over a key
queen bobcat
I'm not saying dropping shield spec for bloodsurge is the play and that everyone should do that. I'm not even sure on it myself. I just don't get the hate for the idea of dropping it
People in this discord like to act like it's the worst thing you can do
jagged pier
I mean its a very big dr to drop for a very minimal gain
But we arent you
We dont pay your sub
Im not against you trying to put ypur point across im against the way you are doing it, those runs are far to sifferemt and have too many difference in them to compare
queen bobcat
Ok, so how do you explain the average melee dmg taken being so much lower without shield spec? Pretty sure Aug would not reduce the damage from melee hits taken bei 5%
queen bobcat
Im not against you trying to put ypur point across im against the way you are do...
True. But it's hard to actually do a true 1:1 comparison
I will try it a bit without shield spec and if I start feeling too squishy I will probably switch back but so far, I'm simply not feeling it. Maybe I need to push higher, idk.
coarse bay
Maybe more backshots on gather 😂
queen bobcat
Maybe more backshots on gather 😂
uff
jagged pier
They give more armour
coarse bay
Idk damage taken isnt a set number either
jagged pier
Cant remeber how rogue shows on logs tho
coarse bay
Sometimes melee hits harder
jagged pier
Alsp that all abilities have a 5% variance
queen bobcat
Alsp that all abilities have a 5% variance
Yeah but that should even out over the run
queen bobcat
True but highly unlikely it wouldn't
jagged pier
Also if u click overhealing all that extra healing seems to be going into overhealing, so it not doing anything
Where shield spec actually is
jagged pier
Yes theres group wide dr in the one group
More armour from evo
Which wow will reduce melees
queen bobcat
Which does not matter, since I'm taking more damage
queen bobcat
since I need less healing, while taking more damage, I'm thus healing myself more
Huh? Druid is 3% vers. That's 1.5% DR unless I'm mixing that up.
queen bobcat
since I need less healing, while taking more damage, I'm thus healing myself mor...
Still, you're statement about all of it going into overhealing can't be true
undone beacon
Midnight Wishlist: Remove shield spec and make its bonus baseline so people will stop arguing in discords about it
solid sun
There’s just absolutely zero percent chance you’re RPing in dungeons without shield spec unless you just want to randomly unequip your shield to simulate dropping it because you don’t specialize in using shields
Crazy to me
queen bobcat
There’s just absolutely zero percent chance you’re RPing in dungeons without shi...
Did you look at the logs?
solid sun
Did you glean from my comment I had any interest in your logs 😂
queen bobcat
Yeah, so no contribution of value
mellow bridge
you could just drop the useless hunker down
and have both bloodsurge and shield spec
queen bobcat
and have both bloodsurge and shield spec
Oh yeah, I was just testing something. Forgot about that 😄
queen bobcat
you could just drop the useless hunker down
Oh wait, I meant TaN
solid sun
Spell reflect should require shield spec
queen bobcat
I usually only take Hunker Down for Priory and FG
queen bobcat
Tough as Nails
mellow bridge
ah
queen bobcat
you really dont need it anywhere 🤷♂️
Slam from big mama hurts quite a lot when you don't have SW and SR up, without it
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/FQAmBJdhzvnaT2w7/7cbAYVkrBPCmvwH6?f...
your running differnt gear
look at the difference in armour
i wonder why melees are hitting less on average
queen bobcat
fair enough
still, if you aren't dying to melees and you do more damage, heal more, generate more rage, what's the point of dying even less to melees?
jagged pier
its like a 2-3% gain at best probably less because the 3% is if u take bloodbounre
which is up to u if its worth
and if your not dying
why do u need more healing
that isnt actually healing
queen bobcat
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/FQAmBJdhzvnaT2w7/7cbAYVkrBPCmvwH6?f...
Still ignoring this?
queen bobcat
its like a 2-3% gain at best probably less because the 3% is if u take bloodbo...
I highly doubt it. Switching trinket would not make me do 23% more damge
Or rather 20%
I mean it's like your just ignoring that I have 10% higher CPM on SS and TB and doing 1.1 mil more DPS
Even when accounting for the increased 3 min runtime, it's still 3k more rage generated
That's 15% more rage
So how exactly do you reach your claim of 2-3% gain at best?
The comp has nothing to do with rage gen. Neither does armour
jagged pier
U can sim the difference 
i did it a long time ago
queen bobcat
I mean, sims can be wrong. The APL for one is not really as optimal as it could be. I posted a better one a couple of weeks ago. Was 10% dps increase in dungeon slice
Still, why do I need a sim when you can literally see the data in the logs
jagged pier
Our apl doesnt work with dungeon slixe
naive panther
You can sr every single one on big mama
jagged pier
queen bobcat
You can sr every single one on big mama
I know. My point was it hurts a lot more when you don't have SW ready and no Hunter Down
jagged pier
queen bobcat
U can talk to nomer about it if its so much better
I mean it still has conditions from before the Prot rework in it
solid sun
@strong forum
queen bobcat
That was not the point I was trying to make. I don''t mind running the custom APL
My point was that sims can be wrong and have been before
queen bobcat
My point was that sims can be wrong and have been before
^
jagged pier
You also just just said dont trust sims, trust my sims
queen bobcat
I did not...
I said they can be wrong and named an example
as I said, you can try it and see for yourself
queen bobcat
^
solid sun
I wanna make a joke about how my precombat actions are to make sure I’m specialized in shields, but I don’t think you’ll think I’m very funny
So now I’m sad
queen bobcat
I'm not trying to argue or insult anyone. That was never my intent. But you can see from the log that I'm not exactly bad at the spec and when I gain 15% more rage by changing from shield spec to bloodsurge, I would wager that 3% gain at most is not quite accurate and can not simply be blamed on poor play or something like that.
queen bobcat
I wanna make a joke about how my precombat actions are to make sure I’m speciali...
Nah, I would probably chuckle at that 🙂
solid sun
I don’t think anyone is taking this very personally, so I don’t think anyone thinks any insults are flying around
Nomeratur was tagged and he can better discuss the APL situation. Because rhinos have tiny brains and Jakey didn’t do it
queen bobcat
😄
But just for comparison. 5 Boss targets, 5 min.
Normal APL: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/82HKYsH1VXBQ5ed6jjHocy
The custom APL I wrote: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bLmkv3NUXrtb5Jx6CmdHMj
It's only a very small increase in ST but it's pretty big in AoE
jagged pier
okay but thats not what i was talking about i said sim the difference between bloodsurge and sheild spec
they u started harking on about how sims arent accurate
queen bobcat
Yeah but my point was that sims can be wrong. APLs can be wrong. As you can see by this example. 10% more damage in AoE with APL changes
queen bobcat
huh? Those sims both have the same talents
jagged pier
in your apl
u talked about how talent values were wrong
nothing about what spell is pressedbased on what
did u change anything like that in your apl?
queen bobcat
Nah, I talked about how APLs can be wrong... This is a perfect example tbh because the normal APL spams revenge. Which is less effective than using Shield Slam / Thunder Blast. Both of which had 10% higher CPM with bloodsurge
So if normal APL under values those to abilities, of course gaining more rage with bloodsurge will not be as good
coarse bay
Sims being wrong is subjective. Sims show the AVERAGE of thousands of runs simmed
jagged pier
im pretty sure for thane it does not prio revenge
coarse bay
U can be above or below
queen bobcat
Sims being wrong is subjective. Sims show the AVERAGE of thousands of runs simme...
Did you look at the two sims?
coarse bay
And if you can play 100% the same 100% of your runs, then u could trust comparing 2 runs
queen bobcat
Please tell me how the normal APL is not "Wrong" when my custom APL does 10% more AoE damage?
jagged pier
just use your apl and sim bloodsurge vs sheild spec
thats all im asking
u can use the noirmal one if u want
but every time ive asked u just said well sims can be wrong
then talked about how your apl is better
fine sim it see the difference
with your apl
1, 5, 10 targets 3, 2, 2 minutes
no lust
no pi
<@&257983573498265600>
coarse bay
Something to break up the sim talk
Nice
What does your apl have to do with saying that not taking a defensive talent is more defensive?
I dont need to look at it to know that taking less damage in a run means nothing
There are so many variables, even with the same group of players every run will be different
solid sun
Sim talk?
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
queen bobcat
Just because I improved on the APL does not mean it's perfect. Also if the proc chance is wrong for bloodsurge, changing the APL will do nothing. I remember back when the APL was wrong for some Hunter talent, which turned out to be 15% stronger but since the talent was implemented wrong it simed lower
I get what you're saying but I did not get outperformed on that key 😛 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/45?bracket=16&metric=dps&boss=112442&class=Warrior&spec=Protection
jagged pier
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7bAmhBg4x4pTFM6dKoKGpS https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wBpDqHfYXF9PhKeAgGvP1x https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/emDW66gh69NzkTGdmMXWF3
this is what i asked for
not a debate on which apl to use
queen bobcat
Just because I improved on the APL does not mean it's perfect. Also if the proc ...
^
jagged pier
i just aske du to do it with yours
coarse bay
Using 2 runs that are entirely different to feelcraft talents just isnt accurate
jagged pier
like this all start from u saying its mroe than 5%
cause i said its arounf 3%
u can prove me wrong with your amazing apl
thats all im asking for use your apl u trust that more than the base one
queen bobcat
Nah mate, done discussing with you. You're just way too salty about all this for no aperant reason
It has literally nothing to do with trust
you can see the results
same with the rage gen
yet you decide to just ignore all of that
and focus on the points I can't proof
solid sun
Now I’m confused
He’s asking you to sim the difference with your APL
The difference in talents
jagged pier
coarse bay
Run 10 keys same level, group, and gear in each build and show us the log comparisons
jagged pier
btw
solid sun
Isn’t that precisely something you could prove?
queen bobcat
"Just because I improved on the APL does not mean it's perfect. Also if the proc chance is wrong for bloodsurge, changing the APL will do nothing. I remember back when the APL was wrong for some Hunter talent, which turned out to be 15% stronger but since the talent was implemented wrong it simed lower"
jagged pier
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f1osKUzj89U6xYZCtmyiot https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/77oX54Bv1X8mqXkjuckMFc https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5kBDaQBYyct5jv5h193e5x
did it with your apl
its still around 5% on 10
less on 5 and 1
so around 3%
like i said
queen bobcat
I mean you are really just ignoring this, right? "Just because I improved on the APL does not mean it's perfect. Also if the proc chance is wrong for bloodsurge, changing the APL will do nothing. I remember back when the APL was wrong for some Hunter talent, which turned out to be 15% stronger but since the talent was implemented wrong it simed lower"
solid sun
Wait are you saying the sim can’t accurately sim the talent setup you’re discussing because you think the talents are implemented into raidbots incorrectly
queen bobcat
It's happened before
jagged pier
amazingly bloodsurge proc is correct
queen bobcat
OK, answer me this: How do you explain the 15% increased rage gen and the 10% higher CPM?
I did not change how I play
jagged pier
u played differently acorss both keys
i said this at the start
u use VB differently
fair beacon
question: what amount of each stats should I be going for (without random proccs or INTO THE FRAY)?
jagged pier
doesnt matter
solid sun
I’ve never seen the talent is implemented incorrectly argument before
Idk how you’d even go about checking that
jagged pier
its very rare
but amazingly im in some places where i see when proc rates change
and when they are changed in sims
.9 CPM on SS a run
can literally be
just a run difference
queen bobcat
As I said this entire time, I'm not advocating for it being bette. This was the first dungeon I ran without shield spec. I'm just stating that there might be something wrong, since I can't explain a 15% rage and 10% CPM change. I will test it a bit more and average it out and then draw a conclusion
coarse bay
Youre comparing 2 entirely different runs and using that as concrete evidence for your argument
queen bobcat
It has no influence on rage gen though. Group comp is irrelevant
queen bobcat
For rage gen? How
coarse bay
Everything changes it
queen bobcat
Pulls were the same
queen bobcat
Sure. I did get more procs. Cause I had more rage and higher avtar uptime
queen bobcat
It's a positive feedback loop
solid sun
Can you imagine if it were a negative feedback loop
queen bobcat
gg
coarse bay
U can run the same build 10 times with different comps and id bet u would have differences that big without changing a thing
queen bobcat
I get that for damage and damage taken but it should not affect rage gen, if the pulls are the same and I play the same
At least not by 15%
jagged pier
but u arent playing the same
if the u played the same your casts would be identical upto the 24:51 mark
if the pulls are the same
queen bobcat
I mean, they would not be, if I get more rage?
with the "same" I meant my priority
of pressing abilities
and I'm pretty sure that was obvious
queen bobcat
https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-full-pull-fool2cool4school-juicy-gif-11005264
Custom APL 😉
coarse bay
I get that for damage and damage taken but it should not affect rage gen, if the...
Can u be sure you played the exact same? Lol
jagged pier
u do know in one run up to 24:51 u had more ionizing strikes like 100 more in the same time frame right
its not all from bloodsurge
coarse bay
Its just feelcraft
queen bobcat
u do know in one run up to 24:51 u had more ionizing strikes like 100 more in th...
Yeah, I also had more TBs and SSs
heavy sparrow
Its just feelcraft
time to re-roll collosus w/ haste & leech then
queen bobcat
yeah, all luck for 24 min and not the 15% increased rage gen from gaining more rage through bloodsurge and using that rage for more IP, and thus gaining more CDR through AM and thus gaining more Avatar and more SS and TBs
But sure, I will do some more runs and we will see
jagged pier
in the same amount of time u had 3 more avatars which is the only thing outside of luck
that effects TB procs
queen bobcat
I wonder if you will still say "luck" if this hold up
jagged pier
i mean im literally just saying
having more rage != more SS procs
like it literally doesnt
jagged pier
u probably just didnt press
queen bobcat
more CDR on avatar and thus more TB for SS
jagged pier
BUT u ppressed revenge more
queen bobcat
what are you talking about?
jagged pier
in the shield spec log
and execute the same
6 more casts of revenge
on the left
and 3 more execute on the right
??????
queen bobcat
fair enough
queen bobcat
apart form Avatar CDR
jagged pier
which only effects TB casts
and as i said already
u had 3 extra avatars
thats not making or breaking your CPM
your equating stuff to things without looking at other stuff, your probably missed casts of SS in the shield spec log
like u got an extra 30 TB procs
through luck
literally
u can minus 3-6 for the extra avatars i suppose
depending if u had a TB stacks or not at the time u got that avatar but we will never be able to tell that
queen bobcat
too bad wowanalyzer is not being updated but according to it I missed about the same amount of shield slam procs
not sure how trustworthy it is though
cause the number of missed procs seems too high
jagged pier
i mean based off the wasted rage is says you wasted
i wouldnt trust this at all
the only way u can tell is record yourself
and watch it back
queen bobcat
i wouldnt trust this at all
Yeah, that's bogus, the rage waste 😄
Only l08 wasted
Oh and this is the userscript, if anyone wants the summary as well
coarse bay
Idk if u think every run you do is similar enough to do side to side comparisons of every metric
Might as well just use details to judge choices
queen bobcat
yeah, I know one run is not enough. I will simply do a dozen runs or so and then average the values
undone beacon
Y'all are looking at it wrong
Shield spec is better cuz its the only path to god's favorite talent
Indomitable
solid sun
They just don’t get it
You can’t even properly shield slam without specializing in shields
Might as well just be an improvised weapon like a frying pan
dusky canopy
I’d block with a frying pan
solid sun
So would I but unfortunately Steven Seagal isn’t a spec in wow
coarse bay
I parry with my frying pan
tribal wharf
seems like everyone in mdi does som varation of 1 night elf 4 dwarf lol
maybe not kiras team
undone beacon
Paying??
sharp merlin
Yeah, any key up requires a tip / note
It’s so sad, what happened to people just playing for fun?
One guy said it’s 10k per “attempt”, what if you wipe us dumb dumb?
solid sun
Why do notes get reported
young oasis
advertisement
solid sun
What if the note is like, “only accepting people who love lasagna”
Because lasagna enjoyers
solid sun
Also is asking for a tip an advertisement
I wouldn’t ask for a tip, but I also don’t care about a lot of other things other people do. And I have like 2k gold total so obviously I suck at making money
mighty valley
Can't you run your own key and not pay cash money
solid sun
You could if you had the key
Some people get real unhappy running a key that isn’t score
Because they don’t like playing the game except under certain circumstances, but then sometimes those people get mad when other people also only like playing the game under certain circumstances
I guess what I’m saying is we need more Harrows and less Rhinos
young oasis
@solid sun which level of keys are you doing?
solid sun
Brother I don’t even play retail right now. I’m playing remix
lol I should have answered by saying 30s
Missed opportunity
Can we have a redo
Also just to be completely transparent and honest
I thought the advertisement report was for group finder posts that like link to a website or something
I didn’t think it was for people looking for tips
Is it both?
young oasis
Whatever, seems like you just like to debate. If you are in shoes of @sharp merlin , myself and people that experience that, I think you wouldn't have that opinion.
solid sun
I thought that was a super fair question
sharp merlin
Can't you run your own key and not pay cash money
The people applying for my 17 resi have absolutely 0 business even attempting 17s
Was doing a priory earlier and the dh died over 10 times - no clue what they were doing and responded when I put the vote in “relax, it’s resi we go again”
Not for you, buddy.
tribal wharf
i still think they should have like, almost like, the arena but its training rooms
and its like, you get wood tier, bronze, silver, gold, plat diamond rating
and then its like, for the role challengs sort of like that one with the bruce mount
and its like, you cant help the person doing it like that, but people can see it
is in center of town with out a load screen
sharp merlin
Maybe you should lose Rio..
Imagine the toxicity if you actually lost Rio like an Elo system
Maybe people would actually try in my keys
undone beacon
Resil and its consequences have been a disaster for the pugging scene
young oasis
Yep, it is super lame. I have 2 principles in game atm. Will never pay to "resi" key thief and I will only play Colossus. Almost managed 3.6k as Colossus only in keys.
solid sun
Networking is important
warm plinth
Yep, it is super lame. I have 2 principles in game atm. Will never pay to "resi"...
Demolish is a fun spell; I don't blame you.
mighty valley
If all else stays the same colossus is looking like the pick for midnight launch.......
young kindle
Hello all .. question about stats ... for 16+ in m+ ... haste/crit or haste/vers ... currently sitting at 49hast/44crit .. should i move to vers instead? tia
fleet flicker
Hello all .. question about stats ... for 16+ in m+ ... haste/crit or haste/vers...
follow your sim
prot warrior likes all stats
so best to just follow your sims
young kindle
so best to just follow your sims
best way to sim for m+?
fleet flicker
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latent terrace
Why is my key% parse so low on higher keys? +18s and above?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1ZgMdTQ8WAk4CDfN?fight=last&type=damage-done
jagged pier
My guess would be, because your not doing much damage compares to other prot warriors at that key lvl
nocturne spindle
cause you have like 120 less thunderblasts than you should
fleet flicker
jesus where are your thunderblasts
sharp merlin
Networking is important
Let’s be real tho, networking doesn’t really work. Most people in this game will not do keys they have already done, and only reach out when you have a key which is Rio for them, or they know you have it on resi.
And most refuse to come on voice, which is fair enough
latent terrace
almost similar Thunderblast casts but way less damage
fleet flicker
how's your demo shout + fbv usage
nocturne spindle
how long was the other key
latent terrace
31min vs 24min
latent terrace
I do shield slam spam to fish for thunderblasts and I try not to waste thunder blast stacks by using avatar at +2 thunder blast procs
latent terrace
it might be my haste
fleet flicker
your haste is fine
latent terrace
I'm also not tracking outbursts and using it on thunder blast
latent terrace
I'm dumping overcapped rage on IP and SB and Revenge if Shield Slam is on CD and no Thunder Blast
fallen marlin
Is for tanks must to sim ? Coz i never sim myself as tank
solid sun
Let’s be real tho, networking doesn’t really work. Most people in this game wil...
I’ve had success with networking. I know other people who definitely have successfully networked enough they either don’t pug anymore or rarely have to. Sometimes it’s from finding a guild or community, sometimes just from building a friends list through pugging. Have to be intentional about it though and put in some effort. Not everyone is comfortable doing it, etc
sharp merlin
I’ve had success with networking. I know other people who definitely have succes...
Oh I know, fully aware, but WoW has turned (well.. most things in life) are now more and more transactional.
I feel like the pre-made I play with won’t play unless someone has a resi key they need. The dps refuse to pug and I understand queue is hell as dps.
I do get asked to tank a lot by people I’ve added or they added me, but it’s always a key below something I’ve already done. And those discords which are supposed to be “communities” are just filled with players who can’t do higher content wanting to do it.
Maybe I’ll just bite the bullet, pay for resi 18s and then have my pre-made catch up 18s that way