In the past when I've tried to run sims on raidbots it told me tanks and healers aren't tracked well or something of that nature, but i could be wrong
#protection
idle coral
undone beacon
lusty grotto
In the past when I've tried to run sims on raidbots it told me tanks and healers...
that will show up regardless, it means nothing
all tanks sim
period
undone beacon
In the past when I've tried to run sims on raidbots it told me tanks and healers...
It tells you that it doesnt sim survivability, just damage
lusty grotto
what raidbots refer to is strictly defensive options
round pendant
The only warning I've seen is if it's unsupported for dungeon slice or the generic "tanks sim dps not survivability" notice
idle coral
trying to get into 12-14 keys but im only doing 10s right now, I'm a noob 🙁
round pendant
trying to get into 12-14 keys but im only doing 10s right now, I'm a noob 🙁
use the weekly wowhead build
undone beacon
trying to get into 12-14 keys but im only doing 10s right now, I'm a noob 🙁
everyone starts somewhere!
round pendant
not whatever slop the top guys are running
round pendant
😳
idle coral
use the weekly wowhead build
is that just the prot warrior guide on wowhead?
idle coral
not using shield spec is like running a shield 20 ilvls lower or something
thats crazy, ill try this build thank you, and also thank you to everyone for chipping in, I really appreciate it!
ashen kestrel
spell reflect is the best ability in the enitre game - prove me wrong 
orchid narwhal
spell reflect is the best ability in the enitre game - prove me wrong <:warriorb...
Best doapmine boss in this game for prot warrior
If you're in bstance and u can calle very kick, it does even more dmg
lusty grotto
this season
cause there's been better
NL + HoI to name a few
not to mention priory has a whole two bosses that get reflected as wwell
bstance has no relevance on the reflected damage
also
it makes 0 difference
nocturne spindle
||I didn't know you could reflect 2nd priory boss until I did an 18 this season|| 🙂
undone beacon
God I miss HoI for the reflects alone
Nuking the last boss with his own beam? Peak
lusty grotto
i miss ssetraliss nado reflects
also underrot first boss were giga even in the DF version
and NL was huge too
sunder + crash
or crash whatever its called
undone beacon
They should give bear spell reflect methinks
Its old news but did y'all see the hunter healer thing
frosty mango
Its old news but did y'all see the hunter healer thing
this is a mockup ye?
frosty mango
some poor guy in figma misclicking an icon bout to set reddit on fire
lusty grotto
i dont get it
lament osprey
Okay, is it worth doing hard mode for mythic ring or pray in vault?
undone beacon
frosty mango
i dont get it
lusty grotto
yeah yeah
undone beacon
Yeah our boy Felix is breaking new ground
BM is now a healer spec where the pets give licks and cuddles to heal
frosty mango
Okay, is it worth doing hard mode for mythic ring or pray in vault?
worth is entirely personal measure
if you can do it and have access to do it then it is worth it
otherwise you craft or vault
lusty grotto
do both
frosty mango
im just waiting for us to kill dim so I can suck up mythic brand
lol
will I be in there late mythic with my two heroic weapons and poop trinkets doing sub 10 parse?
yes
will I also take the loot?
yes
undone beacon
this guy loves loot
lament osprey
Listen, just gotta pad on them first set of adds
frosty mango
this guy loves loot
do you know how pieces of loot ive gotten from raid this tier
on my main
lament osprey
And execute til there gone
frosty mango
I'm a healer, take a guess
undone beacon
Well you are the trinket haver
sharp merlin
Is it possible to have SW up for each big momma hit?
frosty mango
Is it possible to have SW up for each big momma hit?
no
lusty grotto
yes
sharp merlin
Hahahaha
lusty grotto
tf are you doing roid
frosty mango
? I'm pretty sure once you get to higher key levels it isnt
sharp merlin
One says yes, one says No
undone beacon
The duality of man
frosty mango
tf are you doing roid
unless youre playing with blasters youre gonna get 3 per window
sharp merlin
And this is a silly question, is last stand before or after hits?
frosty mango
All I know if I've tried that dungeon on 17 twice
sharp merlin
I don’t have mud sadly
frosty mango
and my pooper dps didnt do adds fast enough
lusty grotto
you dont have a hero mud?
frosty mango
last season I did it like this
lusty grotto
sharp merlin
But I actually almost timed it on 17
Sadly died to the pack before the last 2 big guys
I just couldn’t heal the debuff off me
frosty mango
first one I ate natty
second one wall + sr
third wall + sr
intermission
wall + sr
demo + sr
sharp merlin
And the electro dudes tank buster
frosty mango
thats how I did it last season if dps was slow
i held demo which felt very bad but
it worked
sharp merlin
The amount of healing needed for that pull, I think I need to split them
lusty grotto
thats why you lust it
lusty grotto
why wouldnt you
lust that pack, skip the 2, healer has healing cds for boss
if you do the 2 dudes, youre fucked
if you do the 2 dudes WITHOUT lust, youre even more fucked
grizzled nova
The two big guys are fine
the two big guys are definitely not fine
lusty grotto
yeah skip always
sharp merlin
On 17?
grizzled nova
that pull is unmanageable on 18+
lusty grotto
yes
sharp merlin
Hmm I might have to cook a new route
grizzled nova
Usually the tank is the one that skips it, pull it into the boss room, everyone comes in, meld pot
sharp merlin
Oh I know how to skip it
I take it to the side
And then leap
But will they get pulled into boss if I use the ramp?
To take the knock back during puddle phase?
grizzled nova
naw the room closes off and they're way up the ramp
sharp merlin
Oh imagine if that happened.. fuck me
grizzled nova
But either way, that pull is outrageous hps requirement, to say nothing of the fact that you're getting your bhole annihilated by two busters constantly
grizzled nova
you mean as a defensive do you pop before or after?
Before, so you don't pop bsv unnecessarily
grizzled nova
well if you pop bsv, the heal from using ls will ram you to full hp
because it gets affected by bsv
grizzled nova
but I'd rather just not waste bsv and ls before hand
nocturne spindle
ironically
i pulled them on my 18 pre turbo boost
because someone complained about hating meld skips
sooo
i unno
its doable
dusky canopy
Are you ready to read “well I can’t kick as healer so that’s why we bricked key”
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
coarse bay
Kicked healer from party because they couldnt kick casts
grizzled nova
Are you ready to read “well I can’t kick as healer so that’s why we bricked key”
I'm in the "disc has been meta multiple times without a kick it'll probably be okay" camp
and if it's an excuse for blizzard to just put less kicks in the dungeon, then all the better
heavy sparrow
Oh man as a tank I'm not looking forward to it. Healers are one of our best interrupters outside of that one dps that carries
dusky canopy
Change it up
grizzled nova
Make healer the highest hps in the key instead of the interrupt tab tbh
dusky canopy
Real
pallid quiver
make healers the highest dps in the key
blazing shuttle
Oh man as a tank I'm not looking forward to it. Healers are one of our best inte...
Yeah but every interrupts will last for longer now
Which is... ok I guess.
mighty valley
most healers have had kicks for less than five years lol
i think the game can function
dusky canopy
make healers the highest dps in the key
lusty grotto
with less casters in dungeons, its a nothingburger
dusky canopy
Jokes on us warrior guys actually
Everything will be bleed damage now since kicks aren’t present
undone beacon
what if they bring back spell block but instead of spell block its bleed block and it blocks bleeds cuz our blood is so bloody bleed block
🩸
dusky canopy
We already ignore pain and block the haters might as well be immune to bleeding
Common blizzard L
pallid quiver
blood is so thick it coagulates in a literal second
undone beacon
Exactly, now we're getting somewhere
Apex talent: strong blood. you cant bleed. four points
pallid quiver
we're 'bouta be on that heart attack life
dusky canopy
They give us that talent and then remove all bleed abilities from the encounter designs
dusky canopy
pallid quiver
anyway, someone send help; i was only at the tournament venue for an hour and i'm wiped smh
undone beacon
what tournament
ashen kestrel
this guy again....
pallid quiver
climax of night; i play under night
undone beacon
this guy again....
lmao what
pallid quiver
this guy again....
Do what? 🙂
ashen kestrel
lmao what
i got a message like that a few months back and im pretty sure it was the same dh
undone beacon
did he give u gold on voice while u ordered him to do it
ashen kestrel
did he give u gold on voice while u ordered him to do it
maybe i should take him up on it this time
although what if he realises im not a maam
dusky canopy
You can be a maam nobody’s stopping you except you!
ashen kestrel
Tell him 50k gold down deposit
big brain
undone beacon
im on that goblin shit
heavy sparrow
Jokes on us warrior guys actually
Everything will be bleed damage now since kick...
I'm okay with this
ashen kestrel
im on that goblin shit
mission failed, we'll get em next time
undone beacon
mission failed, we'll get em next time
i love this
the good boy rebuttal
a strong play
ashen kestrel
a strong play
hell yeah gotta make him crack
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
https://tenor.com/view/understand-nothing-michael-scott-the-office-steve-carrell...
hustling
lusty grotto
hustling what
pallid quiver
hustling some dh
undone beacon
this guy again....
heavy sparrow
On Moon Guard, can't even catalyst without being groped via
/e
pallid quiver
like
undone beacon
correct
pallid quiver
ye
lusty grotto
ok ok carry on
undone beacon
something something the wonderful world of paypiggies
pallid quiver
i don't really judge, but it's kinda weird to proposition people at random like that
so i'm down with hustlin' 'em
heavy sparrow
Gold is gold
undone beacon
Yeah if you're randomly coming at me with that you're gettin hustled baby
heavy sparrow
Gotta pay for those 500g flasks somehow
undone beacon
"Give mommy a wow token and I'll share my discord with you uwu~~~~"
anyways
prot warrior am i right
pallid quiver
fuck no i don't have respect for myself, i flew to georgia to play fighting games
lusty grotto
ok 5 tokens minimum
pallid quiver
and i'm currently wiped in my hotel room after 0 games and hanging around people for an hour
frosty mango
you guys are 5 dollar hookers, have some respect for yourselves
You gotta price your product correctly
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Look if some random wants me to get on discord and shout at him who am I to judge
If he’s payin im playin
frosty mango
You’re not accounting for the blackmail after
lusty grotto
good point
grizzled nova
guys
why does logging in not automatically select a server anymore
why does blizzard hate me
frosty mango
It’s a bug
To fix another bug
They broke the server select logic
So this was their fix
lusty grotto
i was wondering about that
dusky canopy
It’s not fixed then smh
frosty mango
It’s not fixed then smh
Well now it’s technical debt
It’s no longer “broken”
“Fix auto server select on login” a ticket that will get fixed…..eventually
wild merlin
do we have a list for spellreflaction stuff for remix?
lusty grotto
no
wild merlin
that sucks
lusty grotto
why
its a meme mode
and pretty easy to figure out whats reflectable if youve done the dungeons on previous seasons or during vanilla legion
wild merlin
i didnt thats why im asking
lusty grotto
SR doesnt matter in the mode
wild merlin
its a meme mode
might be, im enjoying soloing stuff
lusty grotto
youre just gonna out nuke shit
wild merlin
by that logic nothing matters
wild merlin
whatever
lusty grotto
much less so in this version
since in less than you can play you just end up 1 shotting stuff
the damage you do with SR will be several thousand miles under what you can do by just simply auto attacking
anyway im 740
pallid quiver
but what if you glitch your way into a +10000 and the mob bolts do enough damage to crash the server
lusty grotto
so at least that part is done
vocal hinge
At what % does haste cap
dusky canopy
69%
vocal hinge
Ahh so I have 2% verse should I redo some of my gear for more verse
lusty grotto
no
vocal hinge
I have 46% haste and 37% crit and see other warriors doing double damage with less
lusty grotto
percents dont matter
ratings do
in case that was lost inthe "% doesnt DR"
and your stat breakdown versus others is the least of your worries when it comes to affecting your damage
if you have logs we can pinpoint where youre falling behind more accurately
dusky canopy
Stack stamina
undone beacon
Stam vers gaming
undone beacon
If I have more health AND take less damage, it’s just smart
As some would say, it increases my EHP
vocal hinge
Just trying to figure what im doing wrong
dusky canopy
You can do any amount of dps if the target can never bring your hp to 0
Stam = best stat
undone beacon
I drop shield spec for more Stam
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/Wardyn
youre not pressing your tier resets and TBs
thats the big one
cerulean tusk
I drop it for shieldspikes 
undone beacon
Tough as nails baller talent nobody can say otherwise
lusty grotto
tier resets will make or break your parse
undone beacon
Tough As Nails + Spellbreaker? That’s eating good
blazing shuttle
OF?
undone beacon
Only fans
blazing shuttle
Damn it I walked into that one
dusky canopy
Fury’s Odyn
blazing shuttle
Aaah, yes
vocal hinge
youre not pressing your tier resets and TBs
I press them as soon as it procs but I guess im not fast enough
lusty grotto
yeah also your kill time
undone beacon
Imagine if prot had some way to block spells. Then we’d be eating good
lusty grotto
I press them as soon as it procs but I guess im not fast enough
here you go
have fun
dusky canopy
Imagine if protection warrior had an ability that prevented all magical casts from hitting you for like a 30 second duration. They could even toss in some skill expression by not clearly outlining what can and cannot be prevented
Maybe name it spell block
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
jesus christ
dusky canopy
🐐
lusty grotto
truly a sight to behold
undone beacon
Maybe name it spell block
undone beacon
Still mad they named our apex talent phalanx and yet won’t give glad stance
Phalanx is literally spear and shield formation
Smh my damn head
lusty grotto
vocal hinge
@lusty grotto Do you have to hold back from pulling off the other tank?
vocal hinge
Lol
lusty grotto
thats just how it is
unfortunately
you need a good 2nd tank
shorter kill times help a lot too
vocal hinge
Yeah i have to hold back a lot of ss procs and execute procs to keep from ripping
vocal hinge
Ss immediately pulls and I get wrecked
lusty grotto
yeah well
your BDK isnt running tome
so thats hurting his parse
and if his damage isnt top notch, he will get ripped on agro
pallid quiver
If we're talking BDK Sanlayn specifically, as well, their damage is mostly focused around their drw windows, so it can be easier to rotationally ripoff around those times, especially if their drw windows are weak (losing uptime, mostly)
lusty grotto
hes DB
pastel summit
Yeah i have to hold back a lot of ss procs and execute procs to keep from rippin...
That's not ideal.
thin minnow
would appreciate any advice on gambit dragon boss. usually the first set of adds are fine. second is also fine. but a lot of times starting the third set of adds, the adds are too far apart to kill all 4 and it kinda snowballs from there. would that be poor positioning on my end as a tank?
lusty grotto
no, its poor positioning on your group's end
they fixate
if they arent standing where they should, the adds will scatter
pastel summit
Ye, if people aren't actively trying to move in such a way that they path into the bosses frontal you gonna have a bad time.
Sometimes the best you can hope for is that people aren't too messy with fire and you just gotta figure the rest out.
thin minnow
so then let's say the group shits the bed. what can i do to try to salvage it? aim the frontal to make sure at least 2 of them die and cc the others for dpses to try to kill them?
pastel summit
Just gotta make the most of it and get as many as you safely can.
Can bolt to keep an extra or two in place sometimes.
They knock the wind out of anybody they reach so if that isn't an option can just hold stun for when they're stacked with boss.
frosty mango
sad sense beat me on frac
his avg execute 2m more than mine and he had 350k more dps from ionizing strike than me
cries in rng
lament osprey
would appreciate any advice on gambit dragon boss. usually the first set of adds...
Geometry, ideally if group are on same side should be okay, always.
You may move boss far right after third breath set. Then angel to hit all four adds
Idk remember it’s fourth or third set then reset left.
celest sequoia
do you think i can better craft myth track boots than choosing hero track raid boots?
coarse bay
Crafted boots at 727 would be better than SH boots in hero, yes
celest sequoia
thank you 🙂
fleet flicker
boots aren't that big for tank to begin with
sinful copper
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/TzG9KdQZ4Av2cX7a/K9cyRCQ7Nmnaw6kp?f...
LOL holy shit man is a machine. Does he do that well in keys too?
pallid quiver
LOL holy shit man is a machine. Does he do that well in keys too?
ye
he shotcalls in raid and M+, too
Sense is a little cracked
ye, we're talking about sense
had a feeling without even knowing the context
grim pilot
Shotcalling in keys as tank is so bad
Ill never get how people can do it lowkey
While playing optimally of course
lusty grotto
being a one trick helps
while i cant say i can do it on the same level as Sense in any way
pallid quiver
That, and Sense is also just used to it after doing it so long
pallid quiver
Once you become more comfortable with things, mental stack go down
pallid quiver
I think it's fine in raid technically, in M+ it can be scuffy if you're not used to it
i say technically for raid because when your average raid tank had shotcall/lead privileges, they go mad with power
as they pump their 30k aoe dps in S3 TWW
lusty grotto
yeah i mean you have a point, there's not a lot going on in raid for tanks
solid sun
Idk
lusty grotto
usually
pallid quiver
It's mostly harder to call sometimes because there's foot in your face
lusty grotto
or fucking Dimmy's arms
pallid quiver
so you can't see if little timmy put his face in the garbage disposal again
lusty grotto
why the fuck cant this game apply transparecy like FFXIV does
on shit on top of your character
they did the DF thing and just stopped there
pallid quiver
i just move my camera usually in raid to an angle i can see in
it probably shouldn't have to be that way, though
solid sun
It can also be hard on the tank because you gotta try to keep the vibes immaculate but that requires disguising your disappointment because you figured out your job an hour ago but the ret paladin can’t figure theirs out
lusty grotto
sure
lusty grotto
it really depends on the coggy load
undone beacon
And then I make stupid tank mistakes because I’m trying to call something out
undone beacon
Or change something on the fly
solid sun
Pash is good at it though
He did it a little for us on surv
Unfortunately he abandoned us swiftly (and understandably)
lusty grotto
i have to wait until tuesday
solid sun
Neither. Play remix with us
lusty grotto
frosty mango
I have antenna and honestly I hate it
I feel like stone idol is so much more performative
frosty mango
really arcanocore?
lusty grotto
fury
frosty mango
i have it on mythic and its cheeks for fury for me
lusty grotto
not even vault for everyone that needs it
next axle
hero brand or myth antenna with my first dinar. I have myth tome already
lusty grotto
brand
frosty mango
I have myth tome, hero brand, myth antenna
next axle
Which trink combo do you use in raid vs. keys?
frosty mango
I use antenna + brand for most keys, I play tome + brand in streets, in raid tome + brand for everything
lusty grotto
Keys brand + tome (if funnel needed) OR antenna (if no funnel needed) OR idol (if no funnel needed)
cleave brand + antenna (on myth hunters) and idol is a decent pick
all 4-5 trinkets have caveats
there's not 2 you use all the time, there's brand and then it depends on what youre doing, fight timing, etc
and even brand gets replaced in anything you cant maintain or fully stack it
fleet flicker
99% = low key noob
paper stump
Rogues need time to go stealth that is if I am mistaken 😁
heavy sparrow
certified brand gamer
That's crazy
frosty mango
That's crazy
nah it doesnt take into account stacks just buff lol
heavy sparrow
Looks achievable with like floodgate or Priory or HoA
frosty mango
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PrGF1QkVRdbMhtqW?fight=last&type=damage-done you can do it in most keys, I did pretty well in this eco
some janky spots tho
its much easier to do in lower keys or weekly keys bc inbound damage doesnt really matter
in higher keys I end up with more downtime just bc healer needs to drink sometimes
frosty mango
yeah I saw that and I came to the conclusion that those peeps are way better than me 
grim pilot
oh
yeah i only had 87% in floodgate
this is priory tho
94,7% in priory kinda good
grim pilot
im pugging on druid some keys whatever i get invited to
usually i dont pug on my current seasonal main
unless it's io
fierce light
Rogues need time to go stealth that is if I am mistaken 😁
only the lame rogue specs
warm plinth
only the lame rogue specs
I see you too are a man of culture
lament osprey
Rogues need time to go stealth that is if I am mistaken 😁
Why you taking rogues 😂
round pendant
Rogues need time to go stealth that is if I am mistaken 😁
No
heavy sparrow
so what's the legion remix bis artifact tree
heavy sparrow
wowhead > iceveins
lusty grotto
but its the same for everybody
warm plinth
not everyone uses fel
lusty grotto
ah true, casters use nature
warm plinth
yeah, and I know of at least one (rsham) who uses netherdisc
lusty grotto
i see
lusty grotto
i swap from time to time (to do the dailies)
warm plinth
yeah same
heavy sparrow
I'll try out fel for funsies as well
warm plinth
plumber?
lusty grotto
the addon
heavy sparrow
tempest wrath was fun & passive for leveling
warm plinth
tempest is fine but having to run around to collect orbs is pretty awful
at least as a melee spec
lusty grotto
as melee or tank you just run full fel and then these accessories
pendant of the watchful eye
seal of the nazjatar empire
band of callous dominance
lure of the unknown depths
volatile chaso talisman
that last one avoids me like the plague
i havent gotten a single 700+ one
lusty grotto
i hit 4 milly
and getting 740 ilvl shit
soloed a few 10s
we'll see how high i can go
at my current IP
warm plinth
I've been able to solo 9s/10s for a while now, though not fast.
Some bosses are dumb
sinful copper
Rogues need time to go stealth that is if I am mistaken 😁
Only sin rogue needs
heavy sparrow
tempest wrath was fun & passive for leveling
When I say fun, I mean there's nothing else extra you have to do outside of retail skills
warm plinth
i hit 4 milly
I broke 4 mil but still a bit off from 740, though the upgrades seem to come quite a bit faster after 700
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
heavy sparrow
not gonna lie - pretty slow overal once you hit 80 and pre 600 so far
lusty grotto
do riads
theres a ton of groups up at all times, they reset daily
start in heroic and once you get to 600+ just sign up for mythic
you can do them on all difficulties daily, but i dont bother, i just do mythic and thats it
warm plinth
I did all of them today
except LFR of course, I'm not a lunatic
Definitely not sure normal is worth; heroic might be
Still 20 fragments per boss
tidal coyote
which m+ trinket is everyone choosing from the vendor?
frosty mango
Depends on the trinkets you already have
restive fulcrum
Any insight on gear/talents being run in MDI so far? mainly running minimal haste and in turn Bolster LS talent
warm plinth
wat
sinful copper
it's getting better, guys!
sinful copper
is there some hidden trick to snapping the direhorn on top of the cart in streets? ive been doing it consistently forever but last couple days i cant get it
i get all the cats up there, but not the dino
sharp merlin
After it charges it teleports up for me
paper stump
only the lame rogue specs
Exactly 🤣
paper stump
Why you taking rogues 😂
For high keys, i join groups and i dont push mime. Also, i dont play with rogues i dont know this class is weird nothing good comes out of them but shrouding.
fierce light
For high keys, i join groups and i dont push mime. Also, i dont play with rogues...
you just need to track their vanish
and u cant chain if they dont have it
paper stump
Only sin rogue needs
They frustrates me when i do keys man “hey dont chain let me go stealth” comon what about my stacks man lool 😂
paper stump
you just need to track their vanish
True. Oh man in this game you need to live with all classes / mentality … etc
grim pilot
They frustrates me when i do keys man “hey dont chain let me go stealth” comon w...
Sub doesn't need restealth, outlaw gains from it but due to cdr it doesn't really matter as they have it very often. You don't see assa rogues nowadays at all so w.e anyways
And chaining they speak of is usually something like 3% of a mob finished down
You're not gonna be fully finishing packs for assa to restealth, it's not worth timer wise
Just don't chain if it's very low hp and it's fine
orchid narwhal
How fast do the brand stacks drop btw
One I believe drops instantly as soon as you leave combat, then its like every 10s afaik
orchid narwhal
Sub doesn't need restealth, outlaw gains from it but due to cdr it doesn't reall...
Sub wants restealth too, but we can bug abuse to get it
And assa's currnt interation runs two vanishes, so as long asyou're not chaining super low hp mobs as you said, they're generally okay with it
round pendant
One I believe drops instantly as soon as you leave combat, then its like every 1...
oh so it's just free af
grim pilot
Sub wants restealth too, but we can bug abuse to get it
ig you have the thing where you have to spend x seconds in stealth to get some buff or something nowadays
orchid narwhal
ig you have the thing where you have to spend x seconds in stealth to get some b...
Yeah its a talent called the First Dance, large dps gain if you can get it off
round pendant
why does restealthing keep coming up here
strong forum
undone beacon
why does restealthing keep coming up here
Because people keep getting yelled at by pug rogues and then come here to confirm or deny the flaming
round pendant
I wanna know where these rogues get the idea that restealthing is somehow crucial
paper stump
Just don't chain if it's very low hp and it's fine
oh mate I never chain whenlow hp of course, it's just sometimes such like Ara 2 patrol coming while finishing a pack, so I need to go to next cuz it's not worth it fighting 2 full hp for sometimes need more
grim pilot
yes you definitely chain those
there is absolutely no way finishing it is better timer wise
fleet flicker
I wanna know where these rogues get the idea that restealthing is somehow crucia...
it's fine to not let them restealth if they have a charge of vanish, otherwise they do gain a lot from restealthing just by being able to spread their dots
frosty mango
why does restealthing keep coming up here
One could say we keep restealthing the topic
sullen shadow
Hey i was arms and want to play prot used dinar on cursed stone idol is it good for prot or mid
warm plinth
It's decent. Just keep in mind you can't block/dodge/parry during the 1 second cast
round pendant
it's fine to not let them restealth if they have a charge of vanish, otherwise t...
It's also fine to not let them restealth if they don't have a charge of vanish
They don't "gain a lot" from it anyway and gain far more from chain pulling
round pendant
One could say we keep restealthing the topic
I hate misinformation 😔
warm plinth
One could say we keep restealthing the topic
One could, but one shouldn't
round pendant
Not getting restealths in low keys feels bad cause by the time you get your dots up manually the pack is dead but it's low keys it's not like it matters
fleet flicker
They don't "gain a lot" from it anyway and gain far more from chain pulling
depends on the chain pull
there are 100% times when chaining is way more efficient than letting them restealth
glossy ore
quick q, is it just my ui or does our stance keep resetting to def stance? I feel like im cosntantly resetting to battle stance manually
fleet flicker
you might have a macro somewhere for it
it won't change your stance unless you specifically press the stance button
fleet flicker
weirdge
round pendant
i just relogged there and it set me to def stance
It's been like this since TWW and it's intended
pallid quiver
depends on the chain pull
Really, it's more on whether you're chaining what you should or not
a lot of the time rogues complain, they shouldn't be
good and experienced rogues normally don't say anything to you because they're bitching off text and just go next, because they've got better things to do
inexperienced rogues are often incapable of doing damage unless they do their opener setting they practiced at the dummy, so restealthing affects them disproportionately
Your group may or may not benefit from you letting them restealth between every pull, but it's probably not fussing over. In most key levels where this happens, it generally won't be the reason you do or don't time a key
heavy sparrow
Really, it's more on whether you're chaining what you should or not
a lot of th...
I befriended a combat rogue because he told me that they absolutely need to stay in combat
hoary oriole
any tips for rounding up packs in 12s? i feel like theres always someone who rips aggro as i'm trying to get mobs grouped up or i get pounded by backshots
pallid quiver
I befriended a combat rogue because he told me that they absolutely need to stay...
Based combat enjoyer
I would kill if a Combat Rogue so desired
pallid quiver
any tips for rounding up packs in 12s? i feel like theres always someone who rip...
In 12s as of right now, you're going to have some gorillas who are just going to send
warm plinth
@lusty grotto 
pallid quiver
honestly, just let them die tbh, particularly if it's a large pull with multiple packs (First pull of Gambino Land comes to mind)
For the backshot portion, that's part of why the start of pulls are the hardest parts of pulls as a tank; you have to quickly gather everything while taking no (or at least no lethal) hits to the back. Good ways of doing this if you have, say, 4 packs to pull, is to heroic throw the first back, leap to the side of a pull, but not in melee range, charge+avatar+shield block into the third pull (this is the pull where you're going to fight at), and taunt pull in the last back off the GCD.
This should get everything running at you fast enough so they'll gather pretty easy without casters
The faster you gather, the easier it is to maintain aggro at the start of a pull with normal, rational DPS, as well
pallid quiver
Since now you don't have to wonder "TC is on CD, do I revenge here to get aggro on the next pack, or Avatar to get TB to hit them with, or..." and you instead "ha ha me press button whoop whoop"
warm plinth
You lucky bitch
🙂
undone beacon
I haven’t seen one of those drop since I was like 700 ilvl
I’m stuck with the terror and storm surge trinkets
Im also a fel tree hater
Fuck that stinky demon spike
warm plinth
An unholy DK I ran with said that he thinks tempest is better if you can't 1-shot things with fel spike
I'm not sure I agree, only because having to pick up orbs is kind of shit
undone beacon
I went to the spriest discord and was like “man I’m enjoying shadow in lemix I might level one for retail” and got lowkey flamed for that lmao
warm plinth
I haven’t seen one of those drop since I was like 700 ilvl
Also the one I replaced was 695 so I feel that
undone beacon
Because lemix isn’t a good indication of how a spec plays on retail is the basic gist
undone beacon
Priests are weird man
pallid quiver
Honestly, I could see the same happening here; the basic assumption is that the gameplay interested you, so you're here for that
undone beacon
I run Nature on my lemix toon, extra attack speed and reduced CDs is super nice for voidweaver shadow
undone beacon
Honestly, I could see the same happening here; the basic assumption is that the ...
Yeah. I thought shadow was more dot management than it actually is, seeing that it’s not makes me more intrigued
pallid quiver
most traditional dot management style specs are dead or not what they used to be
undone beacon
Makes no difference to me, I don’t like the dot management minigame so
I’ve got like 275% bonus xp on lemix i might level another priest to shunt into retail
I’ve got so much warband cloth
pallid quiver
Mostly what I meant is that the dot management minigame as a whole is mostly gone for most specs
undone beacon
Eh still too much of it in like aff or feral for my liking
But that’s neither here nor there, I don’t expect blizz to make every class to my tastes
pallid quiver
I was gonna say I think Feral's the only one where it still exists unsaturated, and Aff has it downplayed since it's almost rotational with your CD usage
charred ivy
at what haste is it we swap to into the fray again?
warm plinth
21k
charred ivy
tyty
frosty mango
If anyone played dot specs in mop
And remembers unerring vision of Lei shen
You’ll understand immediately why getting rid of that shit was good imo lol
warm plinth
Talking about snapshotting?
bold slate
undone beacon
maybe if you shift right click to view the artifact weapon trait tree it would go away smh
sinful copper
After it charges it teleports up for me
Hmm maybe the charge targets are too close. It was weird
Anyone else know why I haven't been able to snap dino up on cart in streets?
I've done it for 30+ runs and now I can't figure it out consistently
undone beacon
finally
warm plinth
yuge
safe sky
Hello. I have a question regarding talents for m+, are there any changes based on dg? I see some people using bolster and some people are swapping between shield specialization (increased block chance and amount) and bloodsurge for more fury generation. Maybe there are other viable options that I didn't see but I think it's mostly just these 3 talents. It's hard for me to see the value of shield specialization, the chance increase is mostly useless since shield block uptime is almost 100% but not sure how much 16% value increase is impactful compared to more rage generation from bloodsurge
warm plinth
I have no idea why they're running Bolster; there's no need to do that. Not running Shield Spec is dumb.
We don't run Shield Spec for the block chance. That could be removed from the talent and it would still be a must pick
spiral copper
should i craft my ring or should upgrade my boots, and if i do craft ring should i do haste, vers or hast crit 🙂
safe sky
I think only 1 chinese guy plays bolster and I've seen some people not using shield spec on some dgs but not sure what drives their decision
so mostly I'm curious about the decision between shield spec and bloodsurge
tribal wharf
so many pwar in mdi
grim pilot
I think only 1 chinese guy plays bolster and I've seen some people not using shi...
People play bolster in mdi to cover for any possible sb gaps
Its not between shield spec and bloodsurge
Its between bloodsurge and bolster
Also cdr on last stand but it’s more of a addition
safe sky
I'm just looking at talent trees of top prot warriors, it's not mdi. The guy who had bolster had neither bloodsurge nor shield spec. Others I've seen swapping between bloodsurge and shield spec
warm plinth
@lusty grotto pls rate my key
obtuse egret
Are the shrapnal-fused pants BIS? I have them and tier legs on mythic, but see most using tier. Wondering if its better to use the haste/vers ones
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> pls rate my key
i rate it 
warm plinth
lusty grotto
Are the shrapnal-fused pants BIS? I have them and tier legs on mythic, but see m...
sims are related to your equipped stats
there is no such thing as a hard "BIS" outside of trinkets and some very select cantrip items, whatever combination sims higher is best - this is every season, not just this one
but tier pants have haste, same as (i believe) the ones you mentioned, while tier chest does not, which is why its our off-piece this season
grim pilot
Are the shrapnal-fused pants BIS? I have them and tier legs on mythic, but see m...
People use what they can
stuck basin
I have no idea why they're running Bolster; there's no need to do that. Not run...
bolster can be great qol for gathering pulls that are kinda spread and you can just send your rage in some revenges left and right while not having to think for block for a while
or running mounted with bolster block up in ara kara start...
lusty grotto
bolster can be great qol for gathering pulls that are kinda spread and you can j...
no
youre thane, you dont need rage for revenges
just press avatar
and clap
warm plinth
You primarily use TC/TB while gathering to generate threat, which will be available a lot since you'll also have Avatar up. So you should have plenty of rage to use Shield Block while gathering.
Yeah
And you can get down the Ara steps with minimal hits taken anyway
lusty grotto
you literally just pop a shocking disclosure pot and go down
its not hard
resorting to the lowest prio button to gather is just playing incorrectly as thane
when TB can just pull everything easily
warm plinth
Fuck whoever ran that talent in whatever key people are watching because now we have to deal with this nonsense question
lusty grotto
bolster is a no go in any spec, in any hero talent setup, period
stuck basin
you want to tell me that you cant find a situation in any key where it cant be nice to have almost 2 shildblocks worth of uptime for free ? because math says you dont need it usually?
lusty grotto
there is no such situation with our recommended talents
warm plinth
Any situation where it's nice to have almost 2 shield blocks' worth of uptime, I would just press Shield Block twice.
If I needed to, but you don't
lusty grotto
thats what haste is for
warm plinth
I'm not playing your character, so play whatever talents you want. But there is no situation where you need that talent, and whatever you're giving up for it is objectively a loss.
stuck basin
i can give up 2% dmg for a feelycraft defensive advantage
lusty grotto
thats what YOU are suggesting
warm plinth
Like I said, I'm not playing your character. Just don't recommend it to other people like it's some great thing to use, because it's not (not that I'm blaming you for the origin of this topic).
lusty grotto
500% feelycraft running bolster
safe sky
I mostly asked about bloodsurge vs shield spec anyway, it's just one chinese dude who runs bolster instead of those two
stuck basin
i have seen naowh running it in a key friday
lusty grotto
naowh runs whatever he feels best
it means nothing for our recommendations
same as yoda same as kira
@warm plinth got it
warm plinth
Yessss
I still have two sub-700 pieces of jewelry; it's a feelsbad
need a watched eye pendant and nazjatar ring really bad
lusty grotto
yeah i still have some 714s there
cinder merlin
what are people buying with dinars if you don't have mythic cleared?
mighty valley
I’m slow rolling remix and just getting over ilvl 600, is there more to gearing than just doing my raids each day and then quests from da big dragon
grim pilot
what are people buying with dinars if you don't have mythic cleared?
Depends how much you will knowingly clear. If nothing, buy pacemaker for now. If you plan on clearing first 2 or first 6 then plan around that i.e antenna/brand/boots.
frosty mango
Mythic pacemaker will likely give you better results than a heroic antenna
But probably not vastly so
lusty grotto
it will yield better results because most people using antenna effectively dont even bother to pick up the orbs
so yes i would say vastly
lusty nova
it will yield better results because most people using antenna *effectively* don...
would this imply that if one doesn't play the orb minigame, then pacemaker would be better than antenna in an m+ setting?
frosty mango
would this imply that if one doesn't play the orb minigame, then pacemaker would...
The antenna is barely better even if you play it perfectly so almost certainly yes
IMO pace is functionally better for 99% of players
lusty nova
okay, i intuit the same, thanks for the confirmation
round pendant
brand should have mainstat
frosty mango
Brand could have int we’d prob still wear it
restive mesa
hey guys! new prot here, how do you handle skips with meld pot in keys? do you avatar and only shield slam? i did one and thunderclapped/revenge and mobs got rend/deep wounds and they were still after me after meld. tips?
round pendant
hey guys! new prot here, how do you handle skips with meld pot in keys? do you a...
Yeah you do not want to apply any dots
stuck basin
why would ylu avatar on a skip - heroic through/taunt -> group run by -> leap meld move on
dry skiff
anybody knows the cause of this ? character is new
sharp merlin
Happens to me when I have a streets or gambit key
dry skiff
i dont
restive mesa
why would ylu avatar on a skip - heroic through/taunt -> group run by -> leap me...
i thought i would die the 2 jumpers at the end of floodgate, im probably doing it completely wrong though haha
restive mesa
anybody knows the cause of this ? character is new
since legion remix i think, just click "more..." and youll find the keys
strange dirge
Hi. New to prot. At higher keys it seems like i am using rage almost exclusively for Ignore Pain. Why would it be bad idea to macro it into Shield Slam or Thunder Clap?
cold tapir
Hi. New to prot. At higher keys it seems like i am using rage almost exclusively...
Imagine you press thunder clap with that macro and don't get a reset on shield slam. Now you're stuck with no rage and nothing to cast. You need rage there so you can at least cast revenge if nothing else. Also how are you going to keep up shield block or use execute if you spend all your rage every time you use ss/tc
round pendant
Hi. New to prot. At higher keys it seems like i am using rage almost exclusively...
You can macro shield slam onto IP and use that as your IP button
but don't put IP on ss/tclap so that it's casting every time you use those
you'll rage starve yourself
bleak breach
Guys, what’s the best way to deal with starshattered on mythic nexus king?
Seems like a lot of damage?
stuck basin
i thought i would die the 2 jumpers at the end of floodgate, im probably doing i...
that can happen sure - you can use defensives ofc - but avatar might be wasted dmg there
sinful copper
tried my first 19 today.... ecodome.... that was pain
im getting sad that my ilvl will not go up by much because im stuck with heroic antenna and heroic brand. i guess i just have to keep trucking and get loomithar down in a pug to get my antenna
silver sierra
Hey! Just started Prot Warrior, I will soon be crafting my first peice , Wowhead tells me to craft a shield first. Is a shield more valuable than a weapon?
undone beacon
Yes, shield ilvl is the most important thing to have
sharp merlin
If I take G10 into first pull of flood
Where is the best place to ensure aggro sticks to me?
And I don’t get hit in the back?
When I run into the platform literally every direction something is coming from behind
I think the healer panic heals and then suddenly loader bots run to him too whilst I’m still gathering
I don’t get the fucking stupidity I see on this dungeon, it’s been out for almost a year
strong forum
Shieldwall as you gather packs
And just be fast enough with gathering
And roar once you're kinda centered around mobs when they funnel in to keep threat
Hardest part of tanking is gathering mobs so don't shy away from using defensives CDs 
undone beacon
strange dirge
it feels so idiotic to me that as a prot warrior you are not using your weapon at all, you are just bitch slapping them nonstop with your shield
blazing shuttle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1418685646624784456/ot...
jovial kite
anyone know why my tome buff doesnt show up in my buffs anymore?
mighty valley
probably an addon problem?
pine hornet
does defensive stance give more threat generation?
pallid quiver
No
technically, it gives less, since you are missing 3% crit
you are not going to lose aggro from missing 3% crit
tribal wharf
i never onced liked running rlp as a keystone
i would have wanted the front loaded section of trash to be removed and there is just so much fire damage in that place
twilit raptor
My Mythic So'leah secret technique sims 500k better than my HC Brand trinket.
Is this normal?
jagged grove
Do yall switch ur stance a lot during a key as a prot warrior?
mellow bridge
no
it's a very low gain to swap stances and most of the time it's not even worth the mental effort tbh
you'd only do it on bosses that do very little tank dmg
proud nimbus
more and more people are running it
warm plinth
more and more people are running it
That's what happens in WoW. One person of note runs something, and others run it because that first person runs it. They might run it for one key, but it doesn't matter. As soon as it shows up on the data, it's virtually inevitable that more people will run it. Makes no difference whatsoever if it's actually good or not; people are just lemmings.
orchid narwhal
Do yall switch ur stance a lot during a key as a prot warrior?
I stay in battle stance for any weekly keys (10-12s) and then the only time I do it in push keys is if I'm either very practiced and know the damage instances of a pull, or if I'm fighting a boss without a tank buster
Its a very minor optimization all things considered, but those are some use case scenarios
nocturne spindle
My Mythic So'leah secret technique sims 500k better than my HC Brand trinket.
...
how long you simming for
twilit raptor
tried 1:30, 5 minutes, 1 minute, etc.
1 target, 10 target, 5 targets.
So leah always sims better no matter what stat i put on uit
nocturne spindle
link sim
warm plinth
There's no chance it sims 500k better in a 5 minute sim
twilit raptor
maybe im just bad at simming but i havent made a sim where brand goes higher
slow portal
How many stacks of the brand are you simming with?
nocturne spindle
i mean with 5 min it reaches max stacks
twilit raptor
In 7 minute 1 target sim it does 800 dps more
nocturne spindle
yea i mean its kinda awkward but its still probably better in dungeons where stacks dont drop much
could switch off it in like DB and streets it seems
frosty mango
I don’t get the fucking stupidity I see on this dungeon, it’s been out for almos...
this pull is a lot easier if you go about it a little differently
red = charge, orange = leap, green = shield charge
charge shredder
shield slam
charge second pack
avatar + blast + shield block
leap over, blast as youre leaping to clip the 2 pack
roar the far packs
shield charge back
snag bots with clap/blast
if you dont do double shredder its a bit easier
you can also come about it from the first shredder side and that makes it a lot easier
people always tend to stop and blast the first things youre in combat with because people are impatient so even though its technically a dps loss to avatar while gathering in, you
will lose aggro a lot less often
pallid quiver
you can also taunt a mob in some of these packs, as well, to speed up the gather even more since taunt is off the gcd
If your DPS will wait, you can taunt the shredder and just charge the second pack, for example, or you can taunt the bots to have them file in
Pretty much whatever you need to do
proud nimbus
where is that ara 1st pull picture
frosty mango
are the kyveza ??? adds supposed to charge in the order they spawn?
jagged pier
Yes they do
frosty mango
trying to help a friend and sometimesthe third one is going second
but when I did it I swear that never happened
jagged pier
Nah both your eyes arent working
Unless bliz broke somthing with the mechanic. In an update
fringe lava
They can spawn on top of each other. So if one and two spawn in the same spot you get sniped by the 2nd as you face the 3rd if that makes sense?
You face the 3rd thinking it is the 2nd one spawning as you wont register the 2nd spawn as it is on top of the 1st 😂
This text looks so dumb but Ive had the same feeling as you before I realized what was happening
sharp merlin
Noice but why two shredders? Assuming this is to help count to skip the big guys at the end?
harsh musk
what is the best trinket to pair with brand of ceaseless ire?
nocturne spindle
7 go brr
fleet flicker
what is the best trinket to pair with brand of ceaseless ire?
tome or pacemaker
frank surge
guys im r-word and picked flameforged armguards instead of mythic shoulders in vault (somehow thought i had shoulders idk dont ask me) pls help me cope
- what should i buy for puzzling cartel chips? hc brand right
lusty grotto
yea
frosty mango
Noice but why two shredders? Assuming this is to help count to skip the big guys...
Meld skip the big guys
hollow patio
Guys on soul hunters you always get the initial hit from felblade with the fel-singed debuff from eye-beam right? It just falls off so you don't take the entire dot with the debuff.
ashen kestrel
New avanoxx bug in ARAK? 3rd set of add spawned way over on a platform and pulled extra trash in
Done the key probably 50+ times between s1 and 3 and never saw it
mage in my group said they saw it earlier today too, but never before that
added a pull in mdt for reference, they spawned right in the middle of 2 and pulled all of that shit over
frosty mango
New avanoxx bug in ARAK? 3rd set of add spawned way over on a platform and pulle...
This has happened since the dungeon was made and it will happen if the boss is touching one of the bridges
Not always but if the boss is not on the outer edge of the arena it generally won’t happen
ashen kestrel
Not always but if the boss is not on the outer edge of the arena it generally wo...
Yeah it definitely wasnt bridge level but I did move out towards the edge a bit to drop the puddles, so it was close
We almost survived it but the poisons were too much
First time ive seen it happen
kind urchin
It's probably still in from the time before the boss would reset. You used to be able to use all the platforms and just endlessly kite the boss and ignore adds in the original design of the dungeon. I believe they changed it right before launch.
ashen kestrel
It's probably still in from the time before the boss would reset. You used to b...
Ah ok - good to know how it happens though so I can avoid it from now on - the fact that the mage said they saw it twice today and it was the first time I had seen it is what made me think something had changed
lusty grotto
it was changed before it hit live
what Guarok is mentioning was happening in the PTR
before S1
warm plinth
I can uninstall till midnight
Congrats on your freedom
Were you just going for resil 17?
sharp merlin
Well now my team needs to catch up
Might try together to get to 19/20
But no more pugs.. just chilling and now we as a team have a key which won’t drop below 17
warm plinth
Well done
sharp merlin
Thank you, despite the extra ilvl, that key was still tough, everyone needs to be switched on, and I feel so bad for healers, it must be rough
tardy sequoia
should I up factory issue plexhammer 3/8 myth to 5/8 or package protector myth 5/8 to 8/8 ?
pastel summit
Both because crests are uncapped, ye. 
ashen kestrel
are you folks generally going right or left after the first boss in AK if youre in a pug? 13-15 key range
ive been going left mostly but the alarming sentries are causing some issues sometimes - i use both stuns on cd as much as I can, and shield charge if its up, but they still be going off at that key level
although i know the right side can put more stress on the healer so im not sure if its better
undone beacon
Yeah right isn't worth it. The stagshells are easy as long as people focus them down and actually CC
If you have monkey brained dps then like, right side wont be easier
ashen kestrel
If you have monkey brained dps then like, right side wont be easier
my own fault for not pushing at the start of the season - i told myself I wouldnt wait to try and push and here i am
had almost all 12s done in week 1 and here i am progging my last few 13s after taking a break
(and playing rsham)
might just be a play remix and go again in midnight angle
undone beacon
most solid people are either pushing 18+, shitting all over lemix, or have put the game down until midnight
That or you'll find the big 3400+ io people farming 12s
ashen kestrel
yeah, shame but thats how it is every season
got 3300 after coming in late last season and really wanted to kick on from that but I just got lazy early on
been having some fun with lemix though, just wish the power transfered a bit better between alts
went with druid initially, which is fun, but would like to play some warr on lemix - cba grinding 250+ vers again tho
frosty mango
That or you'll find the big 3400+ io people farming 12s
Hi this is me
warm plinth
I have everythign now except the neck
undone beacon
ayyyy big ups
warm plinth
probably be the rest of the event trying to get the neck
undone beacon
Part of me is like
I’m sitting at 240% vers
Is there even much of a point in getting more
The sweats with 600%+ will carry me through the rest of the event, and it’s not like anything can kill me anyways
I’ve banked enough bronze to be able to log in on new phase, buy everything, get the achieves real fast, then log out and play more Nubbys Number Factory
heavy sparrow
I’ve banked enough bronze to be able to log in on new phase, buy everything, get...
Goals
warm plinth
I’ve banked enough bronze to be able to log in on new phase, buy everything, get...
Yeah I've bought everything except the toys/pets and am at like 1.6 mil bronze
undone beacon
I’ve bought everything including toys and pets and am sitting at something similar yeah
It’s a vibe
restive mesa
hey guys! quick question after the sentinel meld skip in ecodome i tag the two gorger on the right, usually just a heroic throw, last time i did it it aggroed the sentinel behind somehow, never had issue before, any thoughts?
knotty pewter
use taunt, no chance of it proccing ravager
nocturne spindle
Yea it's just ravager procs
Whenever your doing a pull mob away from close mob type pull use taunt
warm plinth
You're a ravager proc
nocturne spindle
Here, some spots in Ara kara
warm plinth
gottem
nocturne spindle
Ur a bad stat
nocturne spindle
Idk
Remix just go so boring and I didn't even get out of leveling
Just mindless grind for cosmetics
sinful copper
Weeshy are u up to resil 19 yet
warm plinth
Remix just go so boring and I didn't even get out of leveling
That reads to me like "Remix just got so boring and I didn't even get to the not boring part yet"
Ofc leveling is boring
It's leveling XD
nocturne spindle
Ye
But then I watched people do it and it's just face roll keys like theyre leveling dungeons or get one shot
Just not for me
nocturne spindle
Weeshy are u up to resil 19 yet
Yea got resil 19s
sinful copper
Holy moly. How often are u using meld pot?
sinful copper
Damn so I have to keybind my tempered potion? Do I also need to race change dwarf or no need?
And eco is first sentinel skip and flood last 2 spark guys?
nocturne spindle
Mhmm
I dunno if you need to race change
There's only one egregious pull where I think dwarf is extremely useful
And that's on the stupid like 20+ route in db
Where your fighting the mini boss and the bleed commander guy
sinful copper
Ooooh
I feel like I'm going to remove my tempered pot from macro and forget to use it, just for those two skips
nocturne spindle
Yea I don't have it in my macro
But partially cause I don't wanna just waste a ton on useless stuff
Cheap cheap
sinful copper
U think tempered potion on prot warrior is semi useless?
nocturne spindle
No
It's free damage
But I don't wanna send them if I'm running anything but an IO key
So I don't have them in my macro
Just on a separate button
idle needle
🫡
sinful copper
@nocturne spindle what are your thoughts on shield spec/bolster instead of bloodborne/bloodsurge for specific dungeons that hit super hard?
nocturne spindle
Bolster stinky
sinful copper
lol what about shield spec
sinful copper
is there an easy way in logs to show who pulled first on a target?
copper gale
Is Tome of Light's Devotion and Cursed Stone Idol on same cooldown timer?
lime urchin
Do you have both?
sharp merlin
lol what about shield spec
Use it.. please do not follow the builds of the top 0.1%, just use Shield Spec
limpid sapphire
Hi, I want to try 15 and above, but I'm reading too much melee damage and the healer can't hold me, how can I prevent this?
sharp merlin
Hi, I want to try 15 and above, but I'm reading too much melee damage and the he...
It's on you, keep shield block up. Proper rotational play will keep you alive 99% of the time
limpid sapphire
this is my character
My items and stats are like this, do you have any suggestions for me?
sharp merlin
I was doing +15 at 700 ilvl, I can't see your haste raw numbers, I assume it's over 22k - post a log and we can try help
jagged pier
if your dying to melees thats not a stat problem thats a play issue
and we cant tell what that is ithout logs
sharp merlin
It's never on the healer.
You're prob not keeping shield block up, especially if you're dying to melee
cerulean tusk
To be fair, some healers do allow a Pwarrior to just slowly be ground down to death. So sometimes it is the healer 
Is it likely that is what is happening now? Not really. But ya never know before ya see em logs
indigo hawk
It's never on the healer.
It can be the healer for like dispell not made on first pool of floodgate but 95% of the time, tank death is tank fault
sharp merlin
To be fair, some healers do allow a Pwarrior to just slowly be ground down to de...
oh I know, I had many a resto druid watch me BSV and stay kitty form and just go - nope just gonna damage, and literally watch me for over 10 seconds at 30% health. I completely understand
limpid sapphire
sharp merlin
the other day the last pull before the 2 big guys on Flood, the Healer literally watched me for over 12 seconds at 25% health, I even dwarfed off the blood, and he still didn't heal me. Looked at logs, he healed me for 1m
sharp merlin
I looked at a Priory Log, you didn't cast Shield Charge once
You don't use Spell Reflect enough
And Shield Slam and Thunder Clap need to be hit way more per min
Use Spell Reflect, even if you can't 'reflect it' for Damage Reduction on Magic, on 15+, you might find you won't get away with it that easy
sharp merlin
hol up - how do I find this Jakey?
jagged pier
hol up - how do I find this Jakey?
where u always go
to find it
HOW THE FUCK CAN U CAST MORE TCs than SS's
sharp merlin
LOL