protection

[finite lily]

so thats probably the first thing i should use my coins for

[ocean smelt]

Well you could but also heroic raid is pretty easy to PUG so up to you

[finite lily]

true, but idk if i get it

might be able to

[thin minnow]

are there specific classes/specs that really suffer from chain pulling?

[undone beacon]

Assassination rogues

[thin minnow]

you don't see those almost ever, so pretty much negligible? lol

just wondering, what makes those specs suffer from chaining?

[undone beacon]

I don’t play a rogue but to my understanding assassination rogue has a lot of setup/damage tied to stealth, so if you chain pull their only option is to vanish once every like two or three minutes to do proper AoE

Simple solution, don’t bring rogues

[thin minnow]

lol copy that

[frosty mango]

I play with a rogue, it’s really not an issue

Really just watch their vanish, try to chain when vanish is up

And if vanish is down just get them out of combat for like literally 1 second

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1430917471208083507/image.webp?ex=68fb853e&is=68fa33be&hm=88574a0193f015bbfb5fb8bbf841a7608df59142ca824a0ea144fff52730f45a&

[round pendant]

no

I'm tired of this propaganda that sin NEEDS restealths

yes the tank shouldn't chain if there's 2 mobs left with 5% hp because that's just griefing and bad tanking

but proper chaining is always more dps even for sin

I suppose chaining is bad for sin in lower keys

[undone beacon]

I mean, the one sin rogue I played with never did more than 12s and since he quit I just avoid running with rogues so

[solid sun]

Efficiency

[frosty mango]

I never let sin restart

Whenever I ask they just tell me it doesn’t matter

Only assa seems to care

[round pendant]

assa is sin though

[frosty mango]

Yes that’s the joke

lol

[round pendant]

god I remember some sin in DF malding at me to let him restealth

no

[frosty mango]

Whenever I ask they say they don’t care but then if I don’t ask and don’t let them they get upset

[warm plinth]

I don't invite sub or sin rogues unless I know them because I'm not listening to them bitch. Play the superior spec and just have vanish on a 20 sec cd.

[undone beacon]

i dont invite rogues period

[warm plinth]

You wouldn't invite my outlul?

[undone beacon]

sorry bud the only rogues i recognize are survival hunters

[round pendant]

haven't had a single bad experience with rogues lately

[ocean smelt]

Well me neither

Since I never had a single experience with rogues lately

[jagged tide]

Would pacemaker/idol make sense with dinar? I have 717 brand and 730 tome rn

[lofty glen]

no

[undone beacon]

how far into mythic are you/are you planning on getting

If you're not doing mythic then yeah those are fine to buy for keys. If you're progging mythic at a good pace then looking into myth brand is ideal

Its hard to answer a question for whats a good buy without knowing any context :P

[jagged tide]

I haven’t done any mythic and not really looking to in the future.

[undone beacon]

Then pacemaker or idol are both fine purchases for use in keys

[plush tendon]

i would use hero brand over idol

for keys

[undone beacon]

Brand and Idol pog combo

[plush tendon]

its roughly 1% dps difference between mythic and hero

[undone beacon]

luv me some idol simple 'as

[plush tendon]

idol can be fun

it can also be a pain in the butt to use sometimes

[jagged tide]

Ye was wondering about brands value from hero to mythic, but its such a Big part of overall to lose for idol, tome might be a decent option for 1-2 dungs with less mob density i guess. Idol makes sense

[plush tendon]

tome is mid AF for keys

its basically brand+pace/atenna in all dungeons

for raid, tome is good

so its basically Tome+Brand or pace/atenna (if fight is not long enough to stack brand)

[frosty mango]

IMO tome has a lot of value in keys where high single target is needed

Which isn’t a lot of them

But I use it in streets

Idol is pretty gross though

[plush tendon]

you still do some pretty meaty pulls in streets

legit the hardest part of the dungeon is the first area

[frosty mango]

Yeah but then you have 5 bosses plus the mini bosses

Obv we just need to be able to equip two brands

[plush tendon]

well first boss is basically one long chain pull XD

the music boss is kind of a meme

[nocturne spindle]

original content do not steal

[jagged pier]

[shrewd grove]

Another new yo dropped???

[undone beacon]

Ancient yo

[shrewd grove]

Oh I didnt see the date. Wowwwww

Thats a good pull

[frosty mango]

We need a gif of everyone posting yo gifs in succession

[sharp merlin]

How do you guys manage teams? I’m asking as I’m almost resi 17 and the rest aren’t even on resi 15, is it the tanks Job to always be 1 resi key ahead and the others play catchup?

[jagged pier]

yoing before it was cool

[frosty mango]

I got the holographic yo

Huge market value

[frosty mango]

It’s everyone’s job to do their job

[sharp merlin]

But as a tank im able to get into keys

[nocturne spindle]

I mean

[frosty mango]

If you’re on a team they should be the same level as you lol

[nocturne spindle]

The whole point of a team

Is do keys together

[sharp merlin]

I dunno, I just feel like I’m doing homework keys so they can catch up

[nocturne spindle]

You should all be the same shit

That's just your carrying 4 people while pugging

Your not on a key team

[frosty mango]

Yeah but if you’re on the same team they shouldn’t need to catch up you are just no longer a team lol

[sharp merlin]

Huh.. the truth sucks

[heavy sparrow]

I kinda like the first room doorway 2 pack into the 1 large pack and chain into the dogs and have that 5 pack together

[plush tendon]

[sharp merlin]

But I find it’s hard to find players who are willing to push hard, it’s hard to schedule cause people have different raid evenings

[plush tendon]

we have a set '5 man squad' and we pretty much all have the same keys done

but we also have a handful of other people we play with

who slot in when people are out

[frosty mango]

It’s a mindset more than a schedule

[plush tendon]

but yall should be progging at the same pace; its tedious to be 2 key levels ahead

you basically are just selling them resil at that point

[ornate flint]

Does the Phalanx hero talent damage reduction of 5% stack? If you hit 3 slams will you get 15% DR?

[sharp merlin]

Makes sense, cause yeah I’m getting burnt out lol

[frosty mango]

If the problem in your mind is they need to “catch up” but the actual problem is you are just slamming keys during times they can’t play then the problem is actually you

[undone beacon]

#1423009078099185674

[plush tendon]

i disagree; i dont see it as a problem

you just outgrew them

[frosty mango]

Well more accurately you are the cause of your own problem

[plush tendon]

nothing wrong with that

[sharp merlin]

Healer couldn’t make it past first boss DB 16, we tried it 6+ times and everyone just got irritated lol

[frosty mango]

Yeah but at that point you are no longer a team so you just find a new team

[plush tendon]

^

[sharp merlin]

Yeah fair

[plush tendon]

yea, its bricked for the bois

[sharp merlin]

No these are good points

Thank you

[frosty mango]

The problem part comes in when you change the narrative to “my team is behind me” and you feel like you should run without them

You aren’t a problem but you are manufacturing your own problem, is probably more fair to say

[undone beacon]

We had a team last season in my guild and the team lead guy wrote like a 10 page manifesto about rules and expectations for key pushing... we didnt get past resil 15 lol

[plush tendon]

yea, you went ahead of the team, but thats normal

some players grow at different speeds and when you do, its time to move on

[sharp merlin]

My narrative is more I’m trying to help the team by getting a step above their key level so they can get used to them

[plush tendon]

and it sucks, but its either that or just hang with the bois and accept the prog loss

[frosty mango]

IMO until like 17-18 it’s just gonna be faster to pug as a tank or healer

[sharp merlin]

I often play with 1/2 people in voice and then we do team nights

[plush tendon]

you can comfortably time most keys on 18 right now

priory and flood are a bit tougher

[frosty mango]

Team logistics overhead doesn’t really overcome the efficiency of pugging until group comms and gelling becomes relevant

Kinda like heroic raiding

You can pug AOTC way faster than you can do it in a guild

[sharp merlin]

Yeah fair ^

But how did you guys make teams

Or did you just join them?

[plush tendon]

just started out in DF S3 doing week 1 keys

[frosty mango]

Friends, guildies

[plush tendon]

ended up gelling and pushing for a little bit of score

and went from there; made new friends, asked guildies once in a while

a built up a little friendslist

[frosty mango]

I never have a full team but usually have enough guild folks around to fill

And we’re all familiar enough that we get the benefit

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately when they’re not around and or don’t want to push as much as you do it’s bound to happen

[plush tendon]

you schedule keys like a raid when you have a group

1-2 nights a week to dedicate to pushing shouldnt be a huge ask

IMO

if you want title

[chilly brook]

We just kinda were like “keys?”

And it was either yes or no lol

[plush tendon]

yea, its not a solo que system

you have to preplan a schedule

[frosty mango]

Imo you can’t do both

And you rarely see overlap

[plush tendon]

again, if you got a squad scheduling a couple nights a week to pushing is not a huge ask

[frosty mango]

Key pushers are key pushers and raiders are raiders

[plush tendon]

and on off nights people pug on their own

[plush tendon]

you can 100% do both

[frosty mango]

I mean like bleeding edge

[plush tendon]

you just take it slow early season

I play with two HoF people

[frosty mango]

Like you rarely see bleeding edge key pushers doing bleeding edge raiding

And vise versa

[chilly brook]

You certainly can

[plush tendon]

raid prog is over in 7-9 weeks

[chilly brook]

^

[plush tendon]

the excess raid nights turn into key nights

[frosty mango]

Ok bad choice of words - you can but you typically don’t lol

[plush tendon]

I guess it depends on what circles you run in

because for most people I know, they finish raid get all the looties they want and do sales

get on that coveted one night a week raid clear

and key the rest of the time

and early season you just push a little to keep up

but nothing too outrageous

[sharp merlin]

Fair enough

Pretty much how I’m doing it

Built a network

[plush tendon]

people always need tanks anyways

[sharp merlin]

Hence why I’m ahead

I like sometimes just doing keys to see how I can improve

[plush tendon]

and theres nothing stopping yall, after timing a key with a pug, to be like 'want to try x?'

[sharp merlin]

Well tbf

The guys who I’ve been pugging with

And added

Have been far better players than my current team, it sucks to say

[plush tendon]

it also doesnt really help that your current group is stuck at that 15-16 mark

like... if healing a Dawn first boss on a 16 is tough.... no offense but you are in for a bad time

[sharp merlin]

Yup, I’m pulling the healer out for another

But the other doesn’t communicate too much during runs lol

But he’s solid

[plush tendon]

also, what are your goals in keys/

[sharp merlin]

We did 6 runs back to back, one of dps was like “yeah let’s call it” 🤣 it was so bad

[plush tendon]

are you trying to push for title

[sharp merlin]

Nope

I wanted 3.5 / 3.6k

[plush tendon]

just for improvement

[sharp merlin]

I’m currently 3550 or something

Cause I’ve even done a few 18s

[plush tendon]

yea, im currently 3650; we havnt tried a 19 yet

we keep bricking all the 18 floodgates to stupid shit

[sharp merlin]

Hahaha

[plush tendon]

and its driving me mad

[sharp merlin]

I can’t wait

[plush tendon]

weve bricked prob half a dozen in the last couple of nights

we had a DK ghoul body pull twice

actually, weve wiped that key prob 5 times to accidentently body pulls

[jagged pier]

[sharp merlin]

Do you need to skip the last two guys at that key level?

[plush tendon]

and once to Big Momma

we plan to

you dont have to

[sharp merlin]

Or can I just stack DEFs

[frosty mango]

This would require me to show online

According to bnet I been offline for like a year

[plush tendon]

we want to skip last two for the time save

and end goal is to do a 19 of flood anyways

[frosty mango]

If they had guild hide feature id use that too

[sharp merlin]

That’s a nice end goal

I’ve happily hit my goal, which was to hit 3.5K+

I could not log in to Midnight a happy chappy

[plush tendon]

this is our route for flood

basically copied Andy's

since it lets us get 4 lusts in the dungeon

[lament osprey]

How in the world do you do first pull wtf

[plush tendon]

we wiped twice going from pull 2->3 to ghoul body pulls

[sharp merlin]

Pull 6, people would complain that I’m taking too long to gather

[plush tendon]

we wiped going from 11 -> 12 cause hunter pets made a huge turn

and got those extra electricians

[sharp merlin]

Oh my god

[plush tendon]

wiped once on big momma cause we pulled the inspectors accidentently

like, just stupid shit

[plush tendon]

our mage goes right and body pulls the 4 pack

while I get the rest

[plush tendon]

pull 6 only works with a DK

theres a bit of coordination required to stack everything up

we have our mage poly the solo demo when the path gets as close to the two other demos to keep the pack in place

we let first rpg off

then we death grip the two other demos in

oh, and for timing we do pull 6 after big momma

since that lets us get lust on first pull, big momma, swampface and last boss

[lofty warren]

What this mean?

[frosty mango]

An addon can pass a text string into a tts to be presented to you audibly

Like it can play a tts sound based on a value

Previously those values were restricted

[nocturne spindle]

meme ilvl items achieveed

[hidden topaz]

hi

ist it possible to solosoak nexus king as prot with 719ilvl?

on myth

and if so which would be the optimal deff cd rotation the frontal does basicly nothing but the soak rips me

[lusty grotto]

no

you need an external

only DKs can solo soak

even monks need externals

frontal you can SR

to take 0 damage

[nocturne spindle]

Solo soak one with cheat death

🙂

[lusty grotto]

[nocturne spindle]

At some point you can solo soak with demo+shield wall+ reflect

But I unno it was kinda random when it did or did not proc bsv for me

[lusty grotto]

sure, but not at 719

still no reason to not have an external there

[nocturne spindle]

Maybe he has 4 resto shamans

🙂

[pallid quiver]

excuse me nim, externals are for cowar, thank you

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

imagine using externals on the tank for a mechanic

and not on a dps standing in fire

[pallid quiver]

nin's trying to injure me before the tournament

[coarse bay]

That one tank the other day said he took tank busters like a man with just ip

[pallid quiver]

he's a plant for the japanese players I'm gonna have to face, i knew it

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

"standing in fire"

uhh

[nocturne spindle]

I mean alot of them you can just take with IP tbh

[lusty grotto]

yeah you mean he getting MC'd

and pretty much dead regardles

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, if you're overgeared and your healers are babysitting you with externals without your knowledge, you can get by a lot

[plush tendon]

sorry, im only 2/8 mythic

[pallid quiver]

even on mythic raid sometimes

[plush tendon]

im just a lowley key doer

[coarse bay]

Was an 18 db, the smash on 2nd boss

[plush tendon]

[nocturne spindle]

Oh nvm

[lusty grotto]

im sure he can if he stacks punish

[plush tendon]

I think ive done nexus king heroic twice

once the first week

[lusty grotto]

you dont solo soak in anything but mythic

[pallid quiver]

i haven't even entered raid on normal

[plush tendon]

saaaame

[nocturne spindle]

I feel like at this point you probably could just split soak mythic anyway

[lusty grotto]

not with the vuln

but i'd be worth a try i guess

[nocturne spindle]

No like

10/10

[lusty grotto]

still thats some gymnastics youre doing to avoid getting externals

[nocturne spindle]

I know

[plush tendon]

I thought we established men dont need externals

[lusty grotto]

well, you do

[nocturne spindle]

Hush anime girl pfp

[plush tendon]

well im not a man, Im a cute anime elf

[hidden topaz]

on my monk i can easily solo soak

[lusty grotto]

im sure you can

ours cant

so

get externals

or just die and learn how it goes

[plush tendon]

ask for Sac from your Ret Paladin

[lusty grotto]

best way to learn something

[plush tendon]

and try and kill them

[lusty grotto]

try?

no need

they will die right there and then and stay dead for 2 more pulls afterwards

[pallid quiver]

based

[lament osprey]

Monks need a healing evoker to solo soak

[hidden topaz]

actually i got asked to play my warri cause we have no warris today

monk main and have 0 problems with solo soaking

since we arrived at boss with 715 ilvl

[lament osprey]

Warrior is a vibe on saladbar

Just spell reflect and shield up

[hidden topaz]

i mean i get os with shield wall spell reflect and 8kignore pain

[lusty grotto]

makes sense, our pres isnt on when ive been in prog

[hidden topaz]

and the next moment it dont even hurt

its so random

[lusty grotto]

you SR the frontal

not the soak

[hidden topaz]

the frontal does nothing even without deff cd

[hidden topaz]

and?

i get barely any dmg from it so i shifted it to conquer to negate more dmg

[lusty grotto]

okie

👍

[sharp merlin]

Just Floodgate left for Resi 17..
The Usual, Sir?

[sinful copper]

flood so painful

timer is so tight

[idle copper]

My stats, drop some haste for crit?

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[mighty valley]

show ratings pls

[lusty grotto]

stats percentages

i will never understand why people screenshot their stats and post them here

its always the same answer

hardstuck in vanilla

or in the EJ era

[idle copper]

So im thinking ill sim myself yep?

[lusty grotto]

do you have more than 21k haste? if so you should be ITF, if not then you should be HR, thats it

do you drop a certain stat? no

do you have more than 27k haste?

if yes, then go other stats

if no, then keep getting haste

[idle copper]

26684 haste atm, so get somemore haste

[plush tendon]

eh, thats fine

add wep oil and you got it

[lusty grotto]

do you notice gaps in SB?

[mighty valley]

that's a good point to just follow sims imo

but yeah it's just sb comfort level

[plush tendon]

but yea, just follow the sims

and get whatever haste level makes you comfy so you dont drop effective* SB uptime

[lusty grotto]

important

[idle copper]

tbh i feel tanky atm and dont notice if SB drops - if its does

[lusty grotto]

thats a non answer unfortunately

[idle copper]

fair one

[pastel summit]

I feel like you should generally notice if it falls off.

Because that's when the health bar starts really movin'.

[gilded jewel]

What trinkets are oyou guys rocking for m+? Will not be killing soulhunters on mythic. Kinda unsure what to spend dinars on

rest of gear for clarity

[undone beacon]

Why havent you earned 2mil IP yet

nerd

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

Idol, Tome, Antenna, myth weapon, etc etc

[lusty grotto]

theres a literal section in both wowhead and icyveins dedicated to dinars

check there, go down the list

[undone beacon]

Reading is for suckers

[gilded jewel]

I've read it actually

[kind glen]

I would probably have gone Tome if I didnt have to use it last season as well

Get my Antanner and move on lol

[lusty grotto]

antanner

[gilded jewel]

Regarding tome it just feels like people are not agreeing on whether It's good for m+ or not

[lusty grotto]

what

what language is that

which people are not agreeing?

[gilded jewel]

But I guess I just send it on tome. I am doing 3-5 myth bosses weekly so surely I'll be getting weapons at some point

[lusty grotto]

if youre doing raid, all the more reason to buy tome

[undone beacon]

Its fine in dungeons with smaller pulls or more bosses. Trinkets usually aren't a flat "best in every scenario" so

And yeah if you're raiding at all get tome

[gilded jewel]

I'm raiding as fury. It's just to get vault / gear

So it doesn't really have any impact on raid

[lusty grotto]

do you have a set team

for m+?

or do you pug

and is your team loaded with prio/funnel

[gilded jewel]

I have a team, and it has the small prio a bm hunter has xd

[lusty grotto]

so you dont have prio

or funnel

you buy tome

no HDH/Arcane? you buy tome

its that simple

[gilded jewel]

Yeah I'm the hdh in the grouo when the other tank guy is online xd

[lusty grotto]

...

im confused

this is prot warrior discord

and youre asking about tank trinkets

and you say youre the havoc dh?

[tawdry cloak]

He just said he’s havoc when the other tank is online

[gilded jewel]

"When the other tank guy is online" What part are you confused about?

[lusty grotto]

ok but why does that matter

[gilded jewel]

Why does anything matter

Are you okay mate

[tawdry cloak]

Nim only comes out of his rat hole to bite people

[lusty grotto]

i only bite idiots

and people who share too much for no reason

[lament osprey]

Majority people don’t give whole picture they give bits

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[tawdry cloak]

Nimchip’s Dictionary of Definitions
Entry 436: Idiot - anyone who is not Nim himself

[lusty grotto]

that would make you one

but i wouldnt consider it a true definition

so no worries

[lament osprey]

Majority don’t read from start of convo, just jump in

@lusty grotto case and point our convo last week.

[lusty grotto]

[gilded jewel]

How do the definitions change the fact he's condescending tho

[lusty grotto]

show me in the doll where it hurt you

[gilded jewel]

?

[tawdry cloak]

They don’t Pete, just ignore him. He’s condescending to everyone

I’d buy tome though

[lusty grotto]

oh thank god

that's a relief

[lament osprey]

Nim is actually nice compared to RLE

[tawdry cloak]

It’s part of the… charm? Of the prot warrior discord

[lament osprey]

Yea

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto get fuckt idiot

[lusty grotto]

in my defense

[solid sun]

Is it infinite if there’s a numerical value attached to it

[lament osprey]

Only 64.5 hours smh

[lusty grotto]

hey man

its 3 different games

and i work for a living

[lament osprey]

Slave

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

i live for a working

[lofty warren]

I drink water, eat food, breathe air, and sleep to live idk what work has to do with it

[foggy sierra]

717 reshi boots or 730 non reshi boots? Whats more worth it?

[lusty grotto]

the higher ilvl

aka myth tracks

[blazing shuttle]

Okay, so, I'm about to sim later on but questions:

I do only M+. Don't think I'll even get in the mythic riad. Didn't even do it on normal. Coming back to push again after a 3 weeks break.

[lusty grotto]

pacemaker and idol

[blazing shuttle]

Got 3 dinars. What should II buy? Pacemaker mythic? Or try to do the Soul Hunters on normal and get the void trinket?

[lusty grotto]

pacemaker, idol, 1 hander

[blazing shuttle]

Aight.

Idol? I'm surprised, tome is no longer the BiS?

[undone beacon]

idol =/= brand

[lusty grotto]

you have a tome

its right there

730 tome

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah but you said pacemaker, idol, and one hander

so like

Do I replace my tome by an idol?

[lusty grotto]

yes because i noticed you already have a tome

no

those are just your buys

[blazing shuttle]

Oh

Sorry

Right, sorry.

Thank you very much.

[lusty grotto]

you use what you need depending on what youre doing

[blazing shuttle]

Pacemaker or weapon in prioi, would you say? I figure Pace.

[lusty grotto]

yes pace

[blazing shuttle]

Uh.

The vendors disappeared.

Well fuck.

[lusty grotto]

lots of weapons in the pool, higher chance of getting it through the vault

[blazing shuttle]

💀

Pacemaker it is. Thank you very much mate.

[lusty grotto]

wait

you said

youre not touching raid right?

[blazing shuttle]

I ain't.

[lusty grotto]

hero brand, myth pace, myth idol/weapon

those are your buys

[blazing shuttle]

Shiiiiit

[lusty grotto]

starting with hero brand

[blazing shuttle]

So I'll buy hero brand, replace my hero pacemaker with it

[lusty grotto]

yup

[blazing shuttle]

Then buy pacemaker

and replace my tome with it?

[lusty grotto]

depends

if you have a havoc/arcane in your pugs or team

you run pace

if you dont, you run tome

[blazing shuttle]

Stupid question, but why?

[lusty grotto]

tome is big prio damage

havoc/arcane are big funnel so big prio damage

so you dont need tome with them

[blazing shuttle]

Understood chief.

So I just need to down the Soul HYunters on normal.

[lusty grotto]

no you dont

champ track aint worth

craft some boots

or get some myth tracks through the vault

[blazing shuttle]

No I mean

If I down them on normal

I can buy it on hero track

[lusty grotto]

i thought you could buy hero tracks without doing shit

[lusty grotto]

rip

[blazing shuttle]

It's just normal so

🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

well i guess sure just steam roll it

[heavy hazel]

HC antenna and ire vs mythic pacemaker and tome?

[blazing shuttle]

Or buy a myth boost

just for the Soul Hunters

[lusty grotto]

bag the antenna

equip the other two

sims with proper antenna uptime, will flat out tell you

not even a hard question, its hero track

[thin minnow]

what is considered a "proper" or realistic antenna uptime?

[lusty grotto]

the only hero track trinket that is worth is Brand, thats it

if you want to be extremely realistic, check logs

but most people do 10% or 20% miss chance

[thin minnow]

jokes on you, i don't have any antenna

😢

[blazing shuttle]

Is Hero Brand even that strong? Actual question.

[lusty grotto]

actual answer

[pastel summit]

Yuh.

[blazing shuttle]

FAir.

I'm goiing to sell my liver and find a boost then.

(For mythic that is.)

[fleet flicker]

extremely

[blazing shuttle]

Guess I'll just..

Like Nim said.

Steramroll normal.

[lusty grotto]

just steamroll normal

[thin minnow]

so i tried simming myth pacemaker vs myth antenna for multiple settings and i do see that pacemaker comes out on ahead on most multitarget occasions. but why do top rated prot warriors choose antenna? that's my concern atm

[lusty grotto]

cause it was easier to get a myth antenna than rely on heavy vault rng for pace before dinars came into play

and because, like every question concerning "top warriors" goes, they copy/mimic the top

which usually dont give much thought to sim numbers without the proper sim settings

antenna simply sims better without miss chance

but didnt you ask about hero antenna?

and now youre asking about myth antenna

so which one is it

[thin minnow]

oh that's not me

i'm just blabbering about my own thoughts

[lusty grotto]

oh true

[last lotus]

Hey guys! I just timed FG17 but my overall was super bad with thunder blast doing like 28% of my overall. Problem is idk what to change since I do press it as it comes off. Any general ideas what could have gone wrong? (only did 5.5m with 726

(not playing bloodborne but that shouldn´t be such a diff)

[lusty grotto]

i have a feeling its CPM related, but no way to check without logs

[last lotus]

I do have a log - can I link it here?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[last lotus]

aight turns out it didn´t log (-.-) but I do have an older log of my 16 with not much difference in dmg break down except Rend being much higher (prob cuz I used to play with bloodborne)
https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKw9qpdR4j2PLyCf?fight=3&type=summary
It´s way less ilvl but dmg was bad aswell

[warm plinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKw9qpdR4j2PLyCf?fight=3&type=summary&translate=true&source=131 reposting with the translation/on english wcl if others wanna take a look

[last lotus]

oh sry mb

[warm plinth]

np np, taking a look

Yeah looks like Nim is right. Your casts per minute of Shield Slam are quite low, especially considering you have no Execute talents, meaning you're never prioritizing anything over it besides tier proc. Mine hover around 17-18cpm and that's with having Execute build

What talent build are you running right now? I see you have Ravager in your breakdown in that screenshot, so it's at least somewhat different from this one

[last lotus]

Feels most tanky to me and I rather not die since it´s my first season tanking ever - I used to be dps main tho

[warm plinth]

ok so basically the push build on wowhead

Yeah it's a fine build

[last lotus]

so I am not pressing SS enough right?

[warm plinth]

Correct

Without Execute, basically nothing is prioritized over Shield Slam, even in AoE except for a tier proc TB

Well, in AoE you also prio TB if you have outburst, but that's it

[last lotus]

aight so all I gotta do is trying to improve my SS casts. Thank you so much for your time!

[warm plinth]

Yeah everything else looks fine. I'd watch your rage waste a bit but it's not like super insane or anything

That's like...3x what I'm comfortable wasting in a key personally

[last lotus]

ye I improved on that since it´s an older log. Is it a good thing to macro IP/ SS? I used to do it but it doesn´t feel good so I don´t use it anymmore

[warm plinth]

Doesn't feel good in what way?

[last lotus]

idk felt slower somehow but might just be me. Maybe I should use it again since wasting over 600 rage is way too much

[lusty grotto]

that macro has no relevance on rage consumption

[warm plinth]

Well, I don't think it's going to help with rage waste; that's not really what it's for. It's just to help snipe your SS resets if you get one from devastator while you're pressing IP

It might help with your SS usage but I would be surprised if it was a significant difference

[last lotus]

I see, I feel stupid ngl LUL

[warm plinth]

You're not; you're recognizing an issue and asking for help here. You're miles above most people.

[last lotus]

thanks for that. 600 rage wasted is way too much. Spending more rage means lower downtime on Avatar. Combined with priorizing SS over everything should help improve my dps, then

[warm plinth]

Yep

[last lotus]

Aight. Again thank you so much, helped me a lot!

[warm plinth]

Sure thing

Don't forget to log! I recommend loggerhead if you want an addon to do it for you

[idle copper]

If i bought a spark it shouldnt count as one of my weekly totals yep?

[last lotus]

I usually use WC logs but it didn´t start for some reason and I didn´t notice

gonna try loggerhead

[warm plinth]

As far as I know, it doesn't count. It would be weird if it did.

[nocturne spindle]

just be like me and be terrible at wasting rage

[warm plinth]

Dear god, hide that shame man

[nocturne spindle]

own it

[sinful copper]

That's still pretty low waste, as a percentage. Doesn't seem too bad

[warm plinth]

It's high enough that it's worth calling out

If he fixes his SS usage he's going to be generating even more rage than now, so it could inflate

[sinful copper]

How do u get the total rage in log?

[warm plinth]

Deselect your character

It'll combine everything

[sinful copper]

[warm plinth]

oof

[thin minnow]

i need help please

i need to go jump off a cliff

[warm plinth]

Oh dear god

[last lotus]

I feel so much better now ngl

lol

[thin minnow]

LOL

[warm plinth]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-nope-seinfeld-bye-smile-gif-17717233

[thin minnow]

what the fuck am i doing wrong

LOL

[warm plinth]

Almost certainly not pressing IP enough

By a long shot

[sinful copper]

Wtf is this LOL

[thin minnow]

i think i only press IP when it drops below the maximum threshold

i was curious, i didn't log that myself but someone logged it and i am in shock

[warm plinth]

Stop tracking IP and just press it if you go above 70 rage

I literally do not even have a way to track IP. It's not relevant.

[thin minnow]

lmfao

[sinful copper]

Yeah no one tracks IP. U track your rage. Don't overcap rage - dump it on IP or executes if you're chillin

[thin minnow]

i see. alright

i'll practice trying to not look at IP number

[sinful copper]

Just delete whatever shows IP so you can focus on rage. More rage usage = more avatar

[thin minnow]

i use the default luxthos WA

[sinful copper]

What are u guys using dinars for? Iunno what to get. Already have a weapon and shield and I only did plexus + soulbinder on mythic

[warm plinth]

Probably gonna do heroic brand, pace, and weapon for me

myth pace/weapon

[lament osprey]

Idk if pace or antenna next go around

Maybe I get lucky in vault and get pace and use dinar for antenna then rocket up my io score

[thin minnow]

is there a way to make the rage bar glow when it goes above 70 or something

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you should be able to do like a condition that makes the glow visible if above 70 pretty easily

on the rage bar aura specifically

[thin minnow]

should i just delete that IP bar completely?

[warm plinth]

If you think it's going to be distracting, yes

[thin minnow]

yes, it's actually the thing that makes me press IP or not

[warm plinth]

Then 100% get rid of it

[thin minnow]

just curious, does pressing IP for the sake of not capping rage perform that much better than pressing IP when my IP cap is not met?

it probably is, just need to know the reason

[warm plinth]

Overcapping rage ruins the entire basis of the spec, which is to feed the cooldown reduction machine. Can't do that if we're not spending rage.

IP is the most efficient rage spender for Thane especially since we don't have a lot of free globals to Revenge (relative to Colossus)

[thin minnow]

Ahhhh forgot about CDR

Got it

[lament osprey]

More rage spent = faster CDs

[mighty valley]

spending rage also gets you more rage via violent outburst

[thin minnow]

I just took the wrong approach of thinking i only need to use ip to cap ip value for DR

[warm plinth]

LOL

[mighty valley]

it's funny, IP does have a lot of defensive value, you just maximize it by....... not really thinking about the defensive value

[thin minnow]

Yes yes that’d be me!

[last lotus]

lmao

[thin minnow]

I think i can play properly now

[frosty mango]

To put what @warm plinth said another way

If you looked at two warriors

One who is over pressing ip but not wasting rage, and maybe starving themselves a bit

One who is wasting rage in part due to being afraid to overcap ip

The first person will almost always have an average dps number much higher imo

The first issue can be impactful, but marginal

The second will absolutely wreck your damage output

[warm plinth]

Don't yell at me

[thin minnow]

Now I know the core mechanics of mountain thane now. I’ll give it a go again soon. Thanks all for teaching me the very BASICS of the spec 😂 😂 😂

God i feel so shitty LOL

[warm plinth]

Hey there's still plenty of people who don't know heroic leap resets taunt cd

[lusty grotto]

this is not thane specific

its the whole class

oh no, here it comes..

wait for ittt

[warm plinth]

Yeah only difference is that as colossus, tc hits like a wet noodle and you have it off cd a lot less, so you revenge more and spend more rage that way

Also you're thane specific

Fuckin gottem

@lusty grotto did you solo a +70 yet on remix?

[lusty grotto]

no

im only 2 mil

bear has 8 mil

that son of a bitch

https://tenor.com/view/griz-kick-gif-7697176456772720767

[warm plinth]

I don't know how much i have

I'm like 26 unbound

[lusty grotto]

im just doing the nightborne shit and then going for the daily reclears

[undone beacon]

freakin nerds

I just crested 156% vers

big spriest

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember what the fuck i needed to do to pump my withered

i know i had to get some items

but they get shit on

[undone beacon]

gentle encouraging words

[undone beacon]

the scenario barely works in lemix as the little guys dont scale but mobs do

You have to be super careful cuz they'll get 1-shot by everything

[lusty grotto]

yeah

heroic world absolutely dunks on em

[warm plinth]

I'm just bummed by the shit change to M+ gearing

Was vibing just soloing baby keys to get gear and now I have to try to get into keys that no one wants to invite me to because of my ilevel lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah i havent even tried

just done low keys atm

maybe bear will carry us

[warm plinth]

@undone beacon wtb carry

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

I gotchy'all

Big Spriesting time

Will trade one night of lemix carries for a myth soul hunters carry mmhm

[lusty grotto]

you drive a hard bargain

[warm plinth]

Do you think it's a problem that I have never killed any mythic bosses, much less soul hunters?

[lusty grotto]

nah

mythic is not as hard as it seems

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

[heavy sparrow]

Not gonna lie prot war in remix is the kinda ideal speed I want in retail

[frosty mango]

What yall need for keys

I got a whole account of alts I don’t know how to play I got you

[tight mural]

Starting saladbar tonight. Any pro tips

[frosty mango]

Oh wait that’s Lemix

[frosty mango]

Good luck on taunts

Also sorry about blast rng

Hope your cotank isn’t a dk

[tight mural]

Pally

[frosty mango]

Only thing I can offer is sometimes the boss does not teleport to you after his aoe

And he will turn and wop you in the back

[tight mural]

Oh cool we love that

[frosty mango]

That and watch your threat because failed taunts and aggro snatches are painful

Taunt issues will be a lot of your early wipes, don’t get discouraged

Shit is not forgiving

[tight mural]

I need to find a video to watch. I was expecting to be wiping on SH today and now we have full day of prog

[lusty grotto]

what is SH

[tight mural]

Hunters

[frosty mango]

Soul hunters

[lusty grotto]

o

[lament osprey]

At start of pull only taunt him once

If you do it twice at start then again before his cast ends he will finish cast then move. Leaving you with about 1.5 secs to move him

[lusty grotto]

taunt him once, challenging, then leap and taunt or no balls

[lament osprey]

You can just walk him over like a tamed dog on a leash

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[lament osprey]

No need to be extra

[lusty grotto]

taunt DR 🙂

[lament osprey]

Give time for idiots to stay still for beam baits full duration

Also tell your team to pixel stack until need to soak.

Will save you 50-100 pulls

Then worry about ghost.

[lusty grotto]

inky pots ftw

but also because HDR fucking blows on that fight

and in eco dome

and in the hunters/fract area

[mortal cypress]

Imagine having HDR. I'm not Elon musk.

[frosty mango]

I turn off hdr because I think it looks like ass

You turn off hdr because you can’t see

We are not the same

[jagged gust]

I am entirely unaware of what HDR

[strong forum]

ive never had a monitor that supports HDR

[jagged gust]

Schrodingers monitor

[strong forum]

or rather

its never been enabled

[lusty grotto]

i have a good HDR monitor

its just WoW doesnt play well with HDR as a whole

its the only game where the windows HDR garbage looks like ass and is constantly flashbanging me

[strong forum]

apparently my monitor has HDR

its just not enabled

i did however play around with my monitor settings a bit

and found out my monitor has innate adaptive sync

so my MONITOR is adapting its hz to however many FPS i get ingame

thats crazy

so idk if im coping or not but i might be experiencing smoother images

also changed but the colours slightly

[mortal cypress]

Gpu and monitor yes. I bought the first 144hz gsync ips gaming monitor that came out and it was a game changer for me even though the refresh rate is low by today's standards and oleds are much better to look at than ips.

Having to either get used to latency with vsync or massive tearing when you exceeded 60 fps was something I was just used to.

[lusty grotto]

innate adaptive sync, do you mean freesync?

or gsync?

cause yeah i havent bought any monitor without them

in well over a decade

vsync on in nvidia/amd settings, vsync off in games, reflex on turbo, fps capped to 144-3 or 180-7 in nvidia/amd settings to make it kick in constantly

idk what is the cap for 240hz ones

[toxic pewter]

I’m still using monitor I got in 2010

[mortal cypress]

Same...my 3rd monitor is a 60hz one from 2008 lmao....and I still have the first tft I ever bought but its in storage. Still works last time i tried it...720p, 60hz, 17inch....was $450 from like 2003

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-90s-kid-cool-good-gif-3575245

[undone beacon]

WE DID IT

myth brand

is mine

[mortal cypress]

punch the green dickhead in the face

[undone beacon]

NOOO THATS MY BOY SHME

[mortal cypress]

Shme?? More like pee lmao

[undone beacon]

D:

[mortal cypress]

congrats though lol

[warm plinth]

Congrats friend

[undone beacon]

Thank you

Took us 72 pulls

Honestly, im proud of our little band of scrubs

i can get my myth brand and die happy

[mortal cypress]

im proud of you too (not the green guy though)

[solid sun]

Grats @undone beacon

[undone beacon]

Oh also figured out what was up with the ire debuff passing weirdness

Even if there’s a melee player stacked on the person being dispelled, it will jump to another ranged

[rigid pasture]

How much haste do we want again? Like baseline wise

[warm plinth]

21k minimum if you're running Into the Fray.

[frosty mango]

Oh yea some folks are t eligible

Were you assigning melee to it?

[undone beacon]

We ran out of ranged

So… yeah at first lol

Didn’t realize people were simply ineligible to get targeted

Once we realized we amended and made the healers suck it up and take it for a bit lol

[warm plinth]

[undone beacon]

AYYYY

[sinful copper]

now do that on retail

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bka0W.gif

[rigid pasture]

o shit i had 25k 😂

[warm plinth]

That's totally fine

[rigid pasture]

Cuz of turbo boost my haste went a bit up 😂

[rigid pasture]

Cuz atm this are my stats... xD

[lusty grotto]

[stray mason]

i made an macro for heroic leap but it aint working, any advice? its #showtooltip heroic leap
/Cast [@cursor] heroric leap

[stone moat]

Typo

[stray mason]

fuck, ty

[pallid quiver]

Would you do it for a scooby snack?

[lofty glen]

made a little break for 2 weeks. do i buy bis sword (m+) or tome?

[fathom oasis]

25k-26k is the haste sweet spot

[rigid pasture]

Yea but simming says i needa get rid of haste

[jagged pier]

your fine with 20-21k u just need to pay attention to SB more

[rigid pasture]

ok time to get some haste then

[little lark]

how big of a chance are we talking there?

[vagrant merlin]

is there any good spell reflect WA to announce in chat when i use it or when i reflect for pugs? Every one i find takes like 2 seconds to say reflected when i insta reflect something
(i dunno if chat messages has that delay so you cant make any WA spam something, just asking if thats the case)

[last lotus]

I just use a /p and /s macro yelling REFLECT

But there might be smarter options for it

[hidden linden]

This is the simplest way to do it (as long as you don't spam your key 7 times when pressing reflect)

[sinful copper]

For first pull priory with knight into mini, do u have to wait a few seconds before taunting mini so AOE doesn't overlap?

Or just charge into knight and then into mini right away?

[fathom oasis]

Simming always removes haste because it doesnt strive for full SB uptime

And by the time you get to 25k you are foregoing a bit of damage, but having a smooth SB uptime is also valuable

[fathom oasis]

If you are at the point where that aoe damage is deadly, people should be lining it, and at that point the overlap could even be a bit beneficial because they can line both at once

[sinful copper]

Oh shit that's smart

Yeah I'm at 17 priory so it's dangerous especially with impale

Can u line impale too...?

[rigid pasture]

yeah i see. i guess i will just go 25k haste

[fathom oasis]

You just pre-move

As she's casting it

It should do no damage

[sharp merlin]

Boy, the moment you have a key people haven't done, they come running.
No io tho? Gotta go!

[fleet flicker]

getting that this week is certainly a choice but congrats

[worldly gulch]

Any good guides for 1st time Prot War tank? Healer main here got so bored I wana tank a bit. Done with everything.

[jagged pier]

wowhead and icy veins

[worldly gulch]

Iciveinns is probably a good start but any good pov

[fleet flicker]

well Andybrew plays prot warr

[jagged pier]

sense

and andy

[fleet flicker]

and sense yeah

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA

[serene wave]

Hey fellow warriors, I have myth tome, myth pacemaker and hero Brand. Sim wise it tells me to use tome and pacemaker, but everywhere i looked recommends tome and brand even if its hero. I do have base Crit at 22k with tome and brand equipped, not sure as to why the sim (5 targets 1.5 min and 1 target 3 min) is telling me to use tome and pace as when i look at details and logs brand consisently does like 10% of my overall.

[jagged pier]

because u arent giving brand time to get stacks in your sims

[fleet flicker]

yeah what he said

[serene wave]

riiight

[jagged pier]

u ither need to make the sim at least 5 mins or give it 15 stacks at the start

[serene wave]

i usually chain pull like a mf, so i guess its loosing stacks there i see. So y'all would say myth tome and hero brand overall for m+?

well in my case i guess

[fleet flicker]

probably

[mellow bridge]

Pace over tome

[jagged pier]

i mean preference but always run brand

[fathom oasis]

override.precombat_state=buff.infuriated.stacks=15 in case anyone needs the specific option for the sim

[serene wave]

why? im just curious as of why. both give crit, but tome also gives extra holy damage and shield right?

[fleet flicker]

you don't care about the shield

[fathom oasis]

you almost always swap away from shield form

[jagged pier]

it gets recycled alot in m+ hard to keep at sword buff

[mellow bridge]

That part of tome is worthless

[jagged pier]

pace is just consistent

[fathom oasis]

summary is: tome is better for ST/prio damage, pace is better for AoE

[mellow bridge]

And pace also gives mainstat

[serene wave]

so you get crit and damage there

[mellow bridge]

Our tome uptime kinda sucks, as a warr you won't have a trinket half the time in aoe

Wouldnt use it personally

[jagged pier]

its better than 50%

but also depends on the content u do and lvl

[serene wave]

13-15 m+ mostly

[jagged pier]

then play which ever one u want

[fathom oasis]

that's a controversial topic, in a way. If AoE pulls are getting obliterated by a BM hunter,frost DK or some other high AoE damage class, prio/ST damage may be more valuable to you

both are valid

[serene wave]

and i basically use it every time im not in sword mode?

[jagged pier]

ye

[serene wave]

nice, fair enough, ill try it and see how it feels

[jagged pier]

obviously some things like dont switch at the end of a pull etc

[fathom oasis]

just use this, honestly https://wago.io/Bn9mwPxCC

[serene wave]

perfect, thanks guys!

[worldly gulch]

ty both!

[fathom oasis]

I was just testing something, and it seems code can't be Ctrl+F'd easily. I'm going to leave some extra info here in case someone Ctrl+Fs this in the future:

This is the specific custom override option for the raidbots sim of Brand of Ire that modifies infuriated stacks at the beginning of the fight (setting them to the max, which is 15)

[fleet flicker]

I'm more wondering where you find these overrides in the first place

I can't find them anywhere on the simc github

[mint knot]

Tome does not give main stat. Antenna and pacemaker give you main stat and crit which translates into a lot of parry. With myth antenna I'm going up to 45-50% parry sometimes and that's huge defensive value, not just offensive. If you want to push high keys then you'd much rather be running a stat stick trinket over tome.

[fathom oasis]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/BuffsAndDebuffs#overrides

not very good at searching are we 😉

[fleet flicker]

huge ty

[paper stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/52YhgHfyvc1D8tirKfaADE

hey everyone, did I sim it right? and if so, is there anything I should be focusing on to get/craft or to be aware of? Thank you all.

[jagged pier]

i mean u didnt put in the pre stacks for brand

so it looks bad

[fathom oasis]

yeah

1:30min where brand starts at 0

is going to be a bad comparison

not running shield spec is also a bit controversial

[paper stump]

May I know what are the correctiveactions I should take please? for example you mentioned brand pre-stack? how can I do that pls ? for Nephtus? I switched my talent togo for Shield Spec? so, what's the proper way to simit in this situation pls ?

[paper stump]

Imen how canI tick the pre-stack for bran in raidbots pls ?

[warm plinth]

What do you mean?

[fleet flicker]

necrotic + sanguine

[warm plinth]

Oh. Yeah it wasn't too bad fortunately. Though I did learn that when you get to keys that high, scaling is crazy. I survived a 33 dark heart just fine and then was just getting 1 tapped in a 36 NL

Even the affix if it went off was just dropping me from full hp with shield wall lol

[warm plinth]

Howdy

[tardy knoll]

so tank meta gone in remix?

[warm plinth]

Seems that way. Healers still sobbing in the corner though

[plush tendon]

you kind steamroll the content as anything in remix

unless you trying to push world first remix keys

which sounds weird to me, but hey, you do you

[tardy knoll]

well its just to know cause i rather play fury then prot 😄

[plush tendon]

youll be fine as fury

ive been having a lot of fun as Unholy

[warm plinth]

The 36 I did last night, we had a 740 unholy dk with like 700 vers and his hp bar never even twitched

[plush tendon]

yea, I have no where near that much vers

im at like 100 vers

but I just log in once a day, do dailies and raids

[warm plinth]

He ended up tanking most of it because I just couldn't live (I started gearing late so I'm only like 50 vers)

Was basically impossible to hold aggro off him anyway

[plush tendon]

yea, you aint doing shit

[warm plinth]

He was doing 200+mil dps to my 15 mil haha

[tardy knoll]

had a balance drood in my hc couldnt hold shit

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-26280065

[plush tendon]

it is fun

I much prefer this version of remix over MoP

[lusty grotto]

same

[plush tendon]

they got a lot right

[lusty grotto]

mop remix was fun but this one is funner for sure

[warm plinth]

I would like them to change m+ gearing back

[plush tendon]

MoP was a bit frustrating

[warm plinth]

That's my only complaint

[plush tendon]

trying to decide between MoG and mounts

or power gains

[lusty grotto]

ye it was ass

[plush tendon]

i wish there was a way to upgrade pieces

so if you have something you like, you can just upgrade

also, there are some artifact powers and trinkets that are legit useless

like that arcane shield

[warm plinth]

In the 36 we did, which i got hard carried in and could not do with a group of people at my level, I was still like 15-20 ilevel away from getting upgrades

Which is just stupid

[plush tendon]

I still got to do a 30

me and my friend have just been duoing through keys

hes only like 630 right now though so we just went up to like 12

[lusty grotto]

56% versa :\

[plush tendon]

looking good

the vers stacking and gearing speeds up

[warm plinth]

I'm almost caught up with Nim

[plush tendon]

if you just clear the raids for like 2-3 days in a row

[warm plinth]

Pog

[plush tendon]

youll be maxed out

[lusty grotto]

yeah im working while waiting for reset lol

i got loremaster and all the other shit

[warm plinth]

The one upside to the 36 I did is I got like 88 fragment memento things haha

[plush tendon]

its a great netflix and chill game

[sharp merlin]

As someone who 'completed' Legion, I'm not finding it fun 🙁
As someone who never played MoP, MoP remix was super fun

[lusty grotto]

i 'completed' legion too

i 'completed' every expansion so far

vanilla versions

so i dont think that matters

[sharp merlin]

different strokes innit

[lusty grotto]

sure, im just mentioning the being a vet thing has no relevance

most regulars here did natty legion

hell the disc was put in late mop (legion prepatch)

[sharp merlin]

I just flew to the Valkerie area and was like.. oh no, I have free the dragons again, fuck me

I have to go into the cave again?

[lusty grotto]

which you do in like nothing

[sharp merlin]

I know.. I know..

[plush tendon]

I played legion until my computer broke on the first boss of Mythic NH

and I couldnt get it fixed cause I was brokie college freshman

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

it's just not very engaging content

[lusty grotto]

if you dont like questing its not gonna be any different

but heroic tier world certainly is a good step in the right direction

[round pendant]

Just goes to show how much I care about transmogs and mounts when I can't even bring myself to play it

lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[idle coral]

how much of a loss in dps is it to take shield specialization over bloodsurge?

[lusty grotto]

do sims with 2 talent load outs and find out, depending on content

[dusky canopy]

yo

[lusty grotto]

sup brew

[idle coral]

Mythic+, but also wouldnt we avoid doing sims since its not very accurate for tanks?

[lusty grotto]

incorrect

also youre asking for dps

so im not sure where youre going with this

[round pendant]

or just don't drop shield spec ever

[lusty grotto]

but also completely incorrect

[round pendant]

I guess he's under the assumption that the tank APLs aren't maintained or something?

[idle coral]

Sorry, I guess im wondering if shield spec is a good talent to take in place of bloodsurge if I need more survivability, but I was wondering if Its one of those "Never change this talents" kind of talents, like you lose too much dps or survivability because you don't get the rage procs from bloodsurge

[round pendant]

either way tank dps sims are good for simming dps

[lusty grotto]

shield spec is a hard lock

for us

if you want to see the dps added by not picking it and picking bloodsurge instead, you sim

[round pendant]

what key levels are you running

[lusty grotto]

we still sim regardless