protection

[lusty grotto]

so yes that number is lower for both

at the same pace

19 cpm isnt something that's "common"

[nocturne spindle]

i unno about them mathssss

[lusty grotto]

ok then show yours

[nocturne spindle]

but just punching dummies with imp wall i can get it reset basically every 38s at the longest

and like 45 seconds with aegis

[coarse bay]

Crazy comparing feelcraft to logs and data

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

hes also missing the part where

[nocturne spindle]

maths for nerds

i smash button

[lusty grotto]

ok so tl;dr

Yo, working on +12/13s and was wondering if the talent impenetrable wall was better than defenders aegis for shield wall uptime?

This specific question....

is answered by

he asked something very specific

this aint "dummy/opinion" channel

and once again "hating" has nothing to do with it

[nocturne spindle]

its okay nim we all know your the local hater

[cerulean tusk]

I still stand by dog OG statement, not add

[raw parcel]

How we looking in the alpha so far? Heard mixed reactions. (And yeah, I know it's early)

[lusty grotto]

#1423009078099185674

[cerulean tusk]

Tldr: nobody knows

I trust rat take on that, more than anything

Why? Cause why not

[solar basin]

How much haste it too much haste? is there a magic number to aim for as prot? Just coming back to the spec

[frosty mango]

27k or so it becomes less desirable

But you’ll see numbers ranging from 21-28

Depends on how comfortable you are with your shield block

[solar basin]

okay thanks im 27k atm pretty solid uptime with SB

[warm plinth]

@solid sun

[solid sun]

Absolutely killing it

[warm plinth]

Just did mage; took me 3 1/2 hours

I don't think heroic world tier is worth it

(for leveling)

[solid sun]

3.5 hours is so fast

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

Rhinoceros ?

what did you do to Rhino!!!

[mortal cypress]

Why not Dootwar?

[warm plinth]

Well, it would've been part of an ability so like Dootclap or something

But I didn't get lazy until after that toon

[jovial kite]

dootxecute

Can anyone give me a Ravager vs Whirling Blade tldr? i've always playe wb but i was curious if its worth to take rav in any cases

[warm plinth]

You have about 60% more uptime on Ravager via Whirling Blade than manual Ravager

[jovial kite]

oh sheesh. thats hard to overcome

[warm plinth]

I personally do not think it's ever worth it to take Ravager, but I suppose if you really wanted to be able to manually place it, you could. Just know it would be worse.

[jovial kite]

i was thinking maybe if you planned for specific very large pulls but youre not gonna make up for that much up time

[frosty mango]

Still not close

Bc ravager isn’t a dps tool it’s a rage gen tool

The damage it deals in either talent is kinda pointless

[solid sun]

I used plater to customize my name and now it’s gone

That was probably a reach

I tried, and I crashed

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

We finally killed araz

and then got Frac to 9% before end of night

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

Killing it

[frosty mango]

Winning

Frac is usually just a few pulls to understand the healing cd placement

[undone beacon]

Yeah, we put like 6 pulls in and got to 9% so

It goes down easy tomorrow

[prime oyster]

of the builds in the faq, which one is the tankier for raiding? mt or col?

[lusty grotto]

both are equally tanky

[thin minnow]

this was an attempted psf 15. this group wasn't going to beat it, even if nobody died, right?

[lusty grotto]

but we play thane with 4pc tier

[prime oyster]

alr thanks

[mighty valley]

probably possible, dying and messiness hurts overalls too

[frosty mango]

That dps is fine for a 15

Deaths are what bricks you

You could +2 with that dps in a clean run

[round pendant]

6.67m ele sham is trollin though

[mighty valley]

or dying

[frosty mango]

Eh

Depending on route you can get trolled super hard as ele in priory

For example if you go left

You’ll blow cds on the smite shield miniboss then you’ll either have to hold ascend on boss or lose it for the lust after

[thin minnow]

so i went right side, and i try to do the route so that it would skip as much lynx as possible. i've seen so many bricked runs because the groups weren't able to handle lynxes. is that the right approach?

would this route fuck over ele shaman?

[late surge]

it's not the best, but it's good enough. you can even time +19 with that.

[sharp merlin]

Why are you scared with the Lynx pack?

I always take it with Emberlanz

[thin minnow]

the group... just .. blows up. dead

[sharp merlin]

Haha I’ve never had issues with it ☺️

[fringe lava]

When using the new umbra potion for skips, am I allowed to damage the mob? What is the basics of doing skips like this?

[sharp merlin]

Trying to skip the two last guys on FG?

[fringe lava]

Well yea, or the Pulse spawning thing in Gambit / sentinel in eco

No HoTs active on me, pull them to the side, team runs past, leap ahead of their "spawn point" use potion run away. - Easy as that?

I assume there is nuances to this for each specific mob that i need to learn. But i kinda want to know the basics to not look like a complete fool.

[sharp merlin]

So the sentinel on Eco, I’ve seen DH do it well but they need to kite towards where 1st pull is, whilst the rest of the team run past and then invis and catch up

[mellow bridge]

yeah

there isnt any real nuance to it, just make sure youre far away enough before pressing it

[sharp merlin]

We can only take max 2 of the Dots on Braunpike right?

[fathom oasis]

Depends on your healer and any available externals

[sharp merlin]

Is there any easier / cleaner way I can gather this? I think I still got hit in the back despite my efforts

[fathom oasis]

You could probably use the aoe stun at the very beginning and, after tclapping the mobs in the back, simply jump out with leap

Maybe something like charge > avatar > sb > seismic > tb (first 2 packs) > charge last pack > tb > leap out to the entrance

[frosty mango]

You’re gonna get hit in the back here regardless

I usually wall here and do something similar to what neph said above

[tardy sequoia]

I was trying to pug my way to keystone legend, but somehow I find that people are getting worse with the passing of time. a guild mate of mine told me that's because people who pushed what they wanted to get already obtained that, so good players stopped to play. is it true?

and that with each passing time it will get more difficult

[warm plinth]

3k was pretty chill for me. Only depleted a handful of keys

Short answer is that that is not true though

[tardy sequoia]

yeah to me it was chill until 2.8 now for the last 200 points I am failing a lot of keys to stupid things like people not popping defensives or healers jugging all their mana

so healers are like 1% after two packs

i find running my own keys easier than entering in other groups

[jagged pier]

I mean u will see better player, mostly already have got what they want or pushing higher and higher

So u wont see them in 12s and 13s nowadays

Excpet on a wednesday for crest farm

But 3k still 100% puggable

[tardy sequoia]

yeah exactly, 14s or 15s are easier than 12s or 13s

[jagged pier]

I wouldnt go that far that depend entirley on group

And dumping it up a few lvls its not going to change that

For pugs

[tardy sequoia]

yeah I'm like 2939 so I will raise my prio from 10 to 13 and pop 3000 but still...

[frosty mango]

Are you N.A. or eu

[tardy sequoia]

nemesis EU

[undone beacon]

well there’s your issue stinky EU

smh my head

[frosty mango]

Run on either reset day or the night before reset, start your key at a 12 - you’ll get decent candidates (3200-3300) range

When you finish a key ask if they want to stick around for the next one

[tardy sequoia]

next season / exp I will try to run keys earlier

[tardy sequoia]

shaking your head your head? :3

[frosty mango]

I run a lot of 12s for vault but I couldn’t tell you the last time I ran a 13/14/15 unless it was in a group I was already in

[undone beacon]

shaking my head my DAMN head

[frosty mango]

Most of the “good” players are all in the 16-18 range minimum now so if you want to have an easier time you’ll need to scoop them out of their weekly 12s

[tardy sequoia]

that's exactly what I did last night, with the people in that range I was able to get a HoA 15

[frosty mango]

You can also capitalize on turbo boost rerolls when crests get uncapped

A 2900 dps alt with a 3500 main is usually an ok pick

[tardy sequoia]

11.2.7 right?

[frosty mango]

Few weeks I think

[sharp merlin]

Aww thanks! 😁

[unreal yarrow]

Does the cap not get removed next week with the cartel chips?

[undone beacon]

Pretty sure crest cap goes away next week

[vale wyvern]

it do

[undone beacon]

y'all ready for next reset and the influx of "what should I spend my dinar on?" posts?

[undone beacon]

im buying a Codex for sure

goated trinky

[dusky canopy]

Either boots or ticking sack here

Likely boots since 717>730 on ticking sack is negligible

[indigo hawk]

Wym ? It's the road they do in +20

[fathom oasis]

Step 1. Buy a large portion of land.
Step 2. Realize that said lands actually had oil in them. Become an oiler.
Step 3. Turn all your money into tokens. Sell all those tokens for gold.
Step 4. Use your recently acquired gold to purchase a Soul Hunters mythic boost.
Step 5. Buy Mythic Brand / boots.

[late surge]

whose 20 did you see play it? the more advanced route is to skip the second mini boss, play no footmans, play lynx pack on first boss, play only 3 pulls in the last area. that saves you a ton of time and all the runs with a decent timer play it like that.

this route is just slower, but I guess 20 barely in time is still possible with turbo ilvl and clean run.

[indigo hawk]

https://www.twitch.tv/zaelia This streamer is doing exactly this road for now

and yoda did too and some other i don't remember

probably not the most optimal route but you can do more than +18 obviously

[frosty mango]

Ticking sack good for fury?

[indigo hawk]

you got the MDT of this route ?

[late surge]

yeah it's what chinese play, I'll be on pc later today and can send it to you then. I think they had like 4 deaths and were still 1.5min under.

but yeah since zaelia just timed 20 it's obviously possible with less room for mistakes

[dusky canopy]

Ye it actually doesn’t sim better than spider sack for me but in practice my damage is always higher when I run it

Well for 5 minute sim anyway

Shorter sims ticking pulls ahead

[dry skiff]

does anyone have a Seeing red weakaura that shows Rage spent, instead of its stacks

[oak ivy]

its included in luxthos's pack but if you want i can grab that specific part of it and send you a code

[dry skiff]

is it an icon ? xD

[oak ivy]

lemme log on ill show u what it looks like

[dry skiff]

i'm importing it atm

[oak ivy]

as you spend rage it counts up to 100 and when you have an outburst it changes hte icon

[dry skiff]

that's perfec tthank you

aaa i thought it was rage spent count

[oak ivy]

it is?

OH it's counting % huh

[dry skiff]

it's counting the stacks

[oak ivy]

lemme look how easy it would be to edit

unfort i cannto find anywhere to edit

[dry skiff]

same

[bleak scaffold]

In nomeratur's WA pack you have a bar to track it, If I recall correctly I found it on wago.

[frosty mango]

Are you just trying to see the raw rage spend value?

[nocturne spindle]

Multiply stacks by 2.5 is probably doable somewhere

I don't think anyone does it that way though

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/first-look-at-blizzards-in-game-damage-meters-in-midnight-378907

What in the fresh hell is this

[dusky canopy]

@frosty mango

5 minute sim spider sac wins

4 minute sim ticking sac wins

[frosty mango]

if you tell me exactly what youre looking for I can probably whip it up pretty quick

[frosty mango]

yeah id imagine sac gets better in raid

for mythic

[dusky canopy]

And then ofc boots are the biggest

I’m still conflicted on this choice haha

We’re going to be 729 ilvl with 15% raid buff so I know I’m definitely picking ticking sack for farm min max

But as far as first dinar goes boots might be the play after all since it’s the biggest dps increase

[mighty valley]

It's the first look at Blizzard's in-game damage meters in Midnight

[dry skiff]

i want an icon to show between 0 to 249 rage spent

according to seeing red stacks

[dry skiff]

yes

btw sometimes i get violent outburst but SS is not rdy, do i waist a bit or send

or is it just poor planning

[frosty mango]

like this one above my target unit frame?

[dry skiff]

yes thank you 😛

just the Seeing red tho

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/B2S_Bkcxi

its a group you can delete the outburst

the code you have to use to do this is not super ideal

so its not really performance minded, its a small number so I doubt it has any real impact - but it is calculating the value on the fly each time the trigger fires so I wouldnt recommending using this type of thing for any larger numbers

[frosty mango]

if it handles aug damage correctly i could care less about the rest

as long as WCL still works im happy

[frosty mango]

You hold it for slam or blast

You can continue to stack seeing red after outburst is procced so there are very few situations where you would have to send it

the only time youd end up in that situation is if:

outburst is procced
shield slam is on cd
thunderclap is up with no burst proc
you dont have enough rage to revenge/execute

[dry skiff]

yea i rarely encounter this, but in my last run it caught me offguard a bunch of times

[frosty mango]

in which case yes you could send it on clap but i suspect in practice that scenario is very infrequent, since you can control outburst procs

[dry skiff]

the fact that blizzard is still saying " This is the first look of this thing or that thing and it's still not complete " is cornerning af

btw guys i really appreciate you giving me guides every now and then, that Shield block bonus damage + using TC anyway before revenge really pushed me up to 99th parses

[solid sun]

It isn’t even that

[bleak scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-austin-powers-gif-26345367

[solid sun]

The damage meter isn’t ready for testing. It was activated via a slash command

It might as well be pre-alpha

[shrewd grove]

You talking about Midnight stuff? That's still 4 months out. You can do a ton with these systems in 4 months

[deft mortar]

I hate that double boss in Overflood 2

at start

sometimes aggro rips on the ogre

[coarse bay]

Yes

Me too

[frosty mango]

Not really

Er

Replied to the wrong k e

One

[frosty mango]

This one! Not really

If you work in software four months is a long long time

Ui design isn’t really labor intensive when the backend is already there (it is)

Compliance and fit n finish is usually the lift there

Literally all the game data is there for something like a damage meter, it should be simple enough for them to make it work - the effort is making it customizable

[dusky canopy]

I don’t care what it looks like as long as I can move it, resize it, and the information is accurate

[frosty mango]

I’ll also admit I am not super well versed in wows underlying architecture so I can’t speak to the performance of internal “addons” but I suspect they would be more performative than what we have today

Just because they can leverage direct APIs instead of wierd workarounds that a lot of addon devs make today

Also good thing wow doesn’t need to be section 508 compliant, they’d never release anything

[ornate flint]

Have you tested the new talent "Power through Adversity" that grants damage reduction based on danage taken stacking to 40%? Does it make you feel substantially and noticeably more durable? I have never played prot and I am wondering how durable they get in PVP. Looking at your talents you must be pretty much totally immortal in 1v1 duels?

[shrewd grove]

Is this a Midnight talent?

[frosty mango]

You’d have to ask in the pvp channel

[ornate flint]

it is a pvp talent (not midnight)

[frosty mango]

Don’t think many of us pvp

#pvp

[dry skiff]

all my icons are circled with Masque addon, i dont think blizzard will bring circle icons

[frosty mango]

Doubt masque will stop working

If it did I’d be surprised

[dry skiff]

i thought all addons were going to be blocked

[frosty mango]

They aren’t blocking any addons they are blocking a lot of the underlying functionality addons use - mostly centered around combat and logic

Something like masque is literally just changing an icon visual - I don’t think it would be impacted

[fleet flicker]

They're limiting the things that addons can communicate with in terms of API

Masque should still be fine

[lament osprey]

What about plater :C

[unreal yarrow]

Plater will definitely have reduced functionality, but will hopefully still exist

[fleet flicker]

Scripts won't exist anymore at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQTBBoGt08

[sharp merlin]

Crocs onto Duo boss, and I don't mean the shoes, any thoughts?
I can pull them from below, but the threat table is weird when they teleported onto the boss as I pulled.

[gray mirage]

What’s the haste break point for MT? Or what’s a good percent to be for haste?

[dusky canopy]

Exactly 42.069%

[dry skiff]

i found out that in order to do a better parse, phase 2 of loomithar had to be long so i could execute more. so i didnt move the boss at all xD 99 in the bag eveyrone else died

i can not be trusted to hold any kind of power over people

🐒

[sweet summit]

[dry skiff]

i dont even wanna show you the party chat

[coarse bay]

You need to wait awhile while healer and dps take care to not take aggro. I stopped pulling them because of how long it takes to do it safely

[nocturne spindle]

you pull them basically when you have one shredder alive

gives you time to stabilize them before the boss starts

but everyone on your team has to be aware thats happening and basically be ready to cc/run

(mostly the healer cause when theyre all buggy they do healer agro things)

[coarse bay]

Ya theyre immune for a few seconds and ive had them hit someone more than once

[fleet flicker]

that's a pretty standard pull

people just need to be a bit careful of the threat

[merry umbra]

is there a legion remix channel somewhere, wanna ask if there is a way to farm infinite power somewhere 😄

[neat stirrup]

Hey all, I'm probably thinking about it too much, but just curious about some build stuff for Legion Remix. I do main warrior (fury and prot about equally) and am generally comfy playing prot in TWW, but I'm curious about maximizing damage in Lemix. Wowhead suggests Bloodborne over Sudden Death, even when taking the Execute talents, and Colossus over MT at 70+. Does that all sound right, or is the WH guide perhaps kind of slapped together since the game mode doesn't matter as much?

[nocturne spindle]

theres a guide for lemix?

dont you just like scale forever

[mighty valley]

I mean yeah, the main way to maximize remix damage is to keep upgrading til bosses die in seconds but the retail builds for colossus raid vs. m+ probably still hold up

[nocturne spindle]

oh yea i guess colossus since no tier

i unno probably

[frosty mango]

I am scaled so high on Lemix I broke it

Bc I am ilvl zero

https://tenor.com/view/war-games-joshua-woppr-strange-game-doctor-only-winning-move-is-not-to-play-gif-16198386

[neat stirrup]

haha yeah, I'm just slower at the scaling with my free time, so putting extra thought into the build before even getting to that broken level

[dusky canopy]

For all you 90s guys
the game

[tawdry cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-ok-gif-22896822

[coarse bay]

Biggest damage is the fellspike from artifact wep anyways

[hearty cipher]

early remix is 99% artifact weapons until you get enough vers and honestly I doubt your talent choice will have much impact on your remix dps

[torn gulch]

what would you guys consider the best dungeon trinket, with the following added information:
we're into crit DR

still tome?

[coarse bay]

Brand

[torn gulch]

read the question again

[coarse bay]

Pacemaker maybe, most of the good trinkets are crit. You can always just run a droptimizer sim

[torn gulch]

thank you

[coarse bay]

Other good options are obviously tome and soleah’s. If you dont have it already, heroic brand is still very good

I thought u meant best trinkets for dungeons not from dungeons before

[torn gulch]

I don't raid so my only sources are dungeon trinkets

[coarse bay]

If u can do normal raid, hero brand is worth a dinar

Still outperforms other myth trinkets

[torn gulch]

i am aware of how broken it is
still won't raid for it

[frosty mango]

I would say tome + pace will cover you for the majority of keys

Cursed stone is very good for aoe and I would swap tome for it if you wanna jam aoe

And then look at changing some gear pieces to drop crit/add vers etc - whatever the sim says

[torn gulch]

after i finish all my turbo boost farming i'll look at my final stats and probably change one of my crafted crit/haste rings into vers/haste
we'll see

[frosty mango]

Brand is insanely overpowered but I don’t think it’s so overpowered that it would hold you back in any meaningful way - cursed stone idol and tome are arguably just as good when used properly but it doesn’t show up on details so “brand so good”

[frosty mango]

Just sim your character it will tell you the highest possible dps scenario for each type of sim and just make your decisions based on those

[torn gulch]

i will do so
my warrior is giga with 12% leech

i don't know why but i love leech

give me all the leech

[undone beacon]

Leech suck, we’re speed gamers

Speed best tert

[lament osprey]

Fake

[dusky canopy]

Speed gamer

[plush tendon]

speed is unironically useful in a lot of places

like in Eco Dome to dodge Sentinal Frontals

gives a bit more leeway

[urban vortex]

anyone got tips on surviving braunpyke in PSF? I keep getting chunked on this 17

[plush tendon]

lust, rotate defensives?

he hurts, but shouldnt be untankable

[urban vortex]

Yeah... must be rotating defensives suboptimally. Pain point for me rn

[plush tendon]

make sure you log it

next time you attempt it

so we can see where its going wrong

[kind urchin]

It doesn't even move my health bar in a 15 so I'm not losing damage to get out of it.

[plush tendon]

well, key level does matter

it hurts on a 18

and its totally avoidable damage

[sinful copper]

How do u dodge them? Just strafe backwards from it?

[torn gulch]

yes

you can leap one

backwards

[nocturne spindle]

is double shredder in pull one of floodgate cooked

[frosty mango]

I don’t think so

Why would it be

That’s functionally the same pull as the one before the first boss

[nocturne spindle]

trying to cook out triple demolitionist pull

cause i hate it

[frosty mango]

Floodgate in general is ass

[nocturne spindle]

this is what i have that i think i like

[frosty mango]

I love the dungeon I just wish they moved some mobs

Or made the big lightning guys worth more

They do not give nearly enough percent for the effort they take

[sinful copper]

What is that pull 3 lol

[nocturne spindle]

its not actually that bad

since the architect just has so much health anyway

basically funnel

[tawdry cloak]

How do y’all manage that pull 2? Pull it all at once or chain?

[sinful copper]

I usually chain the bombs and the river divers in when things get low and architect still high

But everything on platform at once

Needs 2 kicks on surveyors though

[frosty mango]

If you wanna get real spicy you can combine 11 and 12 with lust and make your healer play “will
It die before I run out of dispels”

It would never work past like a 12 though I dont think lol

But I full send it on carry keys

I’d never do it in a real key, unless I really hated my healer

[sinful copper]

Your poor healer

[lofty warren]

Why

[frosty mango]

how do you accurately determine aug damage on the fly

we cant because those hooks are currently not working properly

blizz should not have that problem

[coarse sable]

hey

can someone check my log why i do so much shit damage?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z4X8yHNBCrK6pLj7?fight=22&type=damage-done

[mighty valley]

this isn't bad for dawnbreaker, it's not a good dungeon for super high overall

gotta press execute if you want the biggest damage though

[coarse sable]

but there are better logs? i have 18 log

when execute ..

im so short on rage

[mighty valley]

here's a dawnbreaker 17 from sense, execute is his 2nd highest damage source https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AWbMa2jmx4nqkgyQ?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=3

[coarse sable]

is the with sudden death?

[mighty valley]

yeah you can check his talents, he has sudden death and execute cleave

but no massacre or red right hand

[coarse sable]

hm

idk maybe i rock wrong talents

[mighty valley]

you should at least start pressing it on bosses instead of revenge, no reason not to

[coarse sable]

ok

[coarse sable]

can u maybe send a talent build

[mighty valley]

you can just do wowhead weekly build and swap massacre for bsv if you want it

[coarse sable]

can u tell me what bsv means?

playing warri since 1 week

[mighty valley]

battle scarred veteran, bottom talent

[coarse sable]

hell na my cheat death is so needed 😄

[mighty valley]

yeah, so swap out massacre for it

[warm plinth]

I think red right hand is a better drop than massacre personally. Massacre lets you execute basically twice as often. That's better than 15% more damage

[coarse sable]

so this ? and when do i need rend damage? i see many guys playing it

[warm plinth]

Only reason I'd drop massacre is if you want to have more rage to spend on ip at the end of a pull (at which point you would be executing less anyway)

Rend is not ever specifically cast; it's applied by thunder clap via blood and thunder talent in the class tree. But you have to have it talented

[coarse sable]

ye

i know

but when do i take sudden death and when bloodborne?

[warm plinth]

You never take bloodborne

Sudden death can be taken in a high key build for some prio damage (or just free executes if you're still using exe cleave)

[coarse sable]

Why are top rio Players take bloodborne ?

[warm plinth]

Probably because it's just a passive damage increase. Who knows

[frosty mango]

i wish they wouldnt

[chilly brook]

Because they somehow think that a very small damage increase is worth a much larger defensive loss

[frosty mango]

tbf - to them it is

[chilly brook]

I doubt it’s worth it

[warm plinth]

So my theory for why they e.g. drop massacre in favor of Red Right Hand is that they WANT to execute less so they can use more rage on Ignore Pain later in pulls. And then at that point, they're deciding between an active talent (sudden death) that requires them to press Execute randomly, or they play Bloodborne which is just +damage

[chilly brook]

The numbers don’t add up

[frosty mango]

they're in a highly controlled group environment and they are not in danger of dying, so the offensive value is better than no value

i can understand the mindset

[chilly brook]

It’s not no value

[frosty mango]

i dont agree

but I understand the logic

[chilly brook]

And the offensive value is….questionable

[warm plinth]

It depends on what you're replacing with Bloodborne

[frosty mango]

also for like 99% of people its just an objectively wrong choice

[warm plinth]

Like idk what sudden death equates to, especially if you're not running any other exe talents

[frosty mango]

boss dps

bout it

not much of it

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I don't know that either talent is a massive dps gain in that instance, hence my theory that it's just a passive vs active decision

"That instance" being that they are not running any other execute talents

[coarse sable]

Guys

Can u send me your Build

Everywhere is something Else

[nocturne spindle]

double shredder indeed worked for floodgate

died on swampface though

tragic

[frosty mango]

Rip

[warm plinth]

Just run the weekly build or the push build on wowhead and you'll be fine

[frosty mango]

Scuffed dps or healer couldn’t do it

[nocturne spindle]

started swamp at 19:50 too

woulda been fine on time

[warm plinth]

None of the random one-off points that you see changing on high key builds matter

[nocturne spindle]

uhhh

2 deaths to healer and then people died to seaforium

[frosty mango]

Wew

They were cranking

[warm plinth]

So that's what, like 13 1/2 minutes?

[frosty mango]

That’s quick

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[warm plinth]

That's pretty solid

I assume you're skipping last 2?

[frosty mango]

Wait 19:50 left or 19:50 into the key

[nocturne spindle]

19:50 into the key

[frosty mango]

It’s. 32 min timer right

[nocturne spindle]

mhm

yea we were cranking until that point

[frosty mango]

Ok so that’s still solid.l but I thought you meant 19:50 remaining I was like wew them boys pumping

[nocturne spindle]

19:50 left on an 18

would be crazy

[warm plinth]

Flood is 33

[nocturne spindle]

thats like world first pace

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s why I was shocked because that would be like 15m overalls

[frosty mango]

Are you sure?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[frosty mango]

Thought it was the same as priory

[grim pilot]

It is

33

[frosty mango]

Is that 33 too?

[grim pilot]

Priory is 32:30

[warm plinth]

Prio is 32:30

yeah

[frosty mango]

Man what am I smoking

[lofty warren]

If wcl can figure it out then blizz can do it too

They have the data

[nocturne spindle]

game just has to do the math of what your abilities would hit for unbuffed

if you have access to everything it wouldnt be hard

[frosty mango]

which in theory should be simple for blizz because the base damage calculation is already a variable

i say in theory bc who knows what kind of bastardized setup they got lol

[plush tendon]

Double shredder into boss?

You don’t pull the stuff around them? I’ve been dragging one on after the first dies

But both on the rip would be spice

[coarse bay]

I think that was double shredder first pull not into boss

Mightve missed parts of the convo tho

[nocturne spindle]

tea

yea*

pull 1 double shredder

[coarse bay]

His goal was to not do the triple demo pull while still skipping last 2

Which actually does sound better lol

[tribal wharf]

pc work is taking place

havent gotten it to a point where i can boot it up, but much of the major work has happened

if it doesnt exploded tomorrow upon attempting to boot, it will be a 9800x3d, which is a socket generation upgrade, 2 generational upgrades, and so i'll finally be able to reach above 50 fps in a raid

[frosty mango]

yes but can it play doom

[tribal wharf]

well, if it explodes, no

[cerulean tusk]

You stole my question straight from my Grey matter

[tribal wharf]

and to answer your question yes

unless its an 8 bit atari

and even then you can argue you can with like janky solutions

[rose furnace]

Has anyone tanking mythic loom'ithar noticed that since last week the webs spawn differently or slightly off? been doing it all season fine and then last week and this week it seems different

[tribal wharf]

someone in another discord im in posted literal just that

so yes, doom runs on fucking everything

not like, kinda like, real

[warm plinth]

@solid sun Most recent char took sub 3 hours

[plush tendon]

I keep noticing I keep getting random avatar procs

theres nothing in our talents/spellbook that does that right??

[grim pilot]

hero talents

[warm plinth]

the capstone of the hero tree

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-surprised-shocked-gif-14609379

[solid sun]

Ooooooooo Lookit this champion galvanizing the road ahead

Pretty soon you’re gonna log in and just be given max level

[plush tendon]

throw in a 17 floodgate, DK says he doesnt have interrupt

instantly turnaround out the dungeon

good thing its resil

[minor lark]

If I'm farming lower keys and am pulling lots of mobs, is this worth it?
Bleed on lots of mobs is surely worth it

[jagged gust]

not really

plus stuff dies fast in low keys, bleeds often don't get the expected value

[minor lark]

True, I wonder what % would make this worth it

[limpid ruin]

Bro needs to read

[plush tendon]

Dont tell

Tony

he'll kick me from my social role

[minor lark]

This is the reccomended remix build from wowhead

Are the bleeds actually worth all that much? I figured the SD build would be much better

[lone current]

Colossus no longer benefits from executes since you don't gain stacks so its kinda not worth

[minor lark]

Ah damn, that'd do it

[forest spruce]

would the H interlooper boots be better the a rando M set

[wraith mulch]

I've been running SD and it's been pumping

[lusty grotto]

you can play whatever you want, its remix

min maxing talents doesnt matter

when player power comes from all the stats youre getting

[wraith mulch]

^

[undone beacon]

No

[sinful copper]

guys how do u survive the big pull during intmerission last boss dawn

even with lust, i hit 99 stacks of wounded debuff

[lusty grotto]

stops + reflect

to reset

and hold a wall just in case ritualist decides to dot you

or prayge the SR gets it

[sinful copper]

reflect will stop the stacks? so if it's 3 sec left, i can cc, then reflect, and i wont get any and the stacks drop?

[fallow fern]

would this belt be better than crafted? 🤔 or should i take socket...?

[ionic nimbus]

Sim

[clever heart]

Hey friends 🙂 Do 717 (heroic) raid Reshii boots beat 730 (myth) boots ?? Asking for M+ keys around 114-15 range.

[jagged pier]

no

[clever heart]

ty <3. I really did not think so. thought stats would be better especially as they convert def + off

[sharp merlin]

Ah but no one ever stops, and then you try and kite and no one knows why and they think you're being a pussy tank

[viscid lantern]

Would you use Antena over Tome in m+?

[sharp merlin]

I use Antenna, because tome is annoying to look after, but that's me

[indigo hawk]

You CC them and run back, reflect can block 1 stack if you missed the move. And come back when stack are away, you can even jump out

[sharp merlin]

But they jump to you if no one CCs or Stops, I might consider using Champ Spear next time

[indigo hawk]

Ah yeah Forget that

[indigo hawk]

Tome is better in mono, so i would say antenna

[coarse sable]

One general question about the Game, if I put to Many things Like potion, trinket and buffs that are off gcd in a Macro, it gets still Stuck Even they are off gcd right ?

Like 5 things

[little ermine]

nope, the maccro will trigger everything that is available

[coarse sable]

Hm ok

[round pendant]

Imagine if they make trinkets like that next expac with addons murdered

tome is only bearable cause I made a WA for it

[night scroll]

the champ spear when playing solo helps a lot, dont have to rely on anyone

[coarse sable]

any advices for streets pulls on the event? last pack destorys my ass

[grim pilot]

kite if you're dry

big dr up at all times when tanking

aka combo of sr + bark/demo or whatever, wall otherwise

[indigo hawk]

I have a question about enemy nameplates: sometimes it looks like they randomly move or create a gap between them, and it's really disturbing when you try to mouse over to kick and the nameplate suddenly jumps somewhere else for no reason.

I’ve attached three screenshots (there’s about one second between each of them) and as you can see, the nameplate moves far up and then goes back to normal.

Why does this happen, and is there any solution to this problem? It’s basically the main reason I miss my kicks...

[grim pilot]

focus kick goes a long way

esp since you have 1 caster in that pack

[indigo hawk]

Yeah I know but it's not really my question because I don't like to focus kick when there is like 3 casters

And this is just for the exemple, I didn't had a problem with this pull

But why does the 3 Fantassin goes so far up ?? Any reason or just Blizzard UI ? Or Nameplate Addon option ?

[dry skiff]

hard to pull this off, and only the first hit is reflected

[warm plinth]

There's no fix for this. And sadly it's much worse on alpha right now

Like, disgustingly worse

[indigo hawk]

Oh shit…

[warm plinth]

@indigo hawk ^

This is how they behave on alpha 🙂

[rough nest]

Time to train your eyes with barrels of fun or Kyveza clones

[solid sun]

What’s wrong with that? It’s like they’re having a party

Let’s get excited for Midnight! Launch party in the brewery!

[lusty grotto]

sirs

arc raider slam beta is out, fellowship is out, battlefield6 is out, pokemon whatever Z is out.... why are we WoWing?

[solid sun]

Idk what arc raider is. I can’t play bf6. Fellowship sucks

Idk what the Pokémon thing is either

[lusty grotto]

arc raiders is what shroud is playing rn

extraction shooter

and basically every shooter streamer

in twitch rn

[solid sun]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

Not a big shooter person and idk what fellowship is beyond that it has m+-like dungeons

[solid sun]

I’m not giving fellowship a fair shake but when I played it the hub was just so dead

Really hurt my enjoyment of it

I also thought the dungeons were a little boring

But it’s probably a lot better now

I’ve never actually played an extrapolation shooter

[lusty grotto]

the only reason im in WoW rn is cause i want to get my keys done asap so i have all weekend to play the 11 games that are out rn

or betas

or w/e

[solid sun]

If I’m playing wow I’m playing remix

Which tbf I’ve had no time to play the last few days

[indigo hawk]

Ahahah look pretty clean to me

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

i did all my dailies yesterday

my teams are on contract limbo at work due to the govt shutdown

so we're doing very minimal work :\

went to the office yesterday to basically look at my screen

well not really, there was some shit i needed to close and i closed it all

i feel like remix after you do all the zone campaigns is a log every couple of days angle

which is pretty good to me tbh

also i havent bought anything yet and i have a bunch of bronze lol

[round pendant]

I realised you need like millions of bronze and I cba

so I stopped caring

[lusty grotto]

pretty easy to get

[warm plinth]

I have like 300k+ on every toon just from leveling them

I'm sure if you actually do real content it's pretty easy to get more than enough

[lusty grotto]

yeah

feels like it

[solid sun]

I’ve done lfr but I haven’t tried raids on the bigger difficulties

[warm plinth]

Haven't done mythic but heroic is literally no different than how dungeons are run on remix. You go straight through the trash to bosses and kill them in 30 seconds with not a single thought to a mechanic

[coarse bay]

Mythic is the same as well

All difficulties are just zug for less than 30 seconds

[warm plinth]

Makes sense

I think nighthold comes out next week so I'm excited because I'll be done leveling by them

Then

[lusty grotto]

man there's a lot of

creatures

in 12s

[jagged pier]

yeeeeeep

[lusty grotto]

on me VDH

these guys kept pulling pactspeakers for some fucking reason

2.8k io andies btw

the mage did good though

at least

its been a weekly thing on vault keys for DH

i swear to christ

at least one group has these critters

i just /abanadoned after the lock said bad tank

🤷‍♂️

[mighty valley]

mage playing well and being the voice of reason... it really is spooky season

[lusty grotto]

we were like 2 pulls away from last boss too

so in hindsight maybe i should have completed fuck it

but idk didnt feel like it after that

[shut glen]

how does shield block work

it says blocks all but it doesnt block all

or is block just a % of the dmg?

[lusty grotto]

block has a cap

by block all it means your block chance is 100% while its up

the cap is dictated by your block value

which is obtained via your shield

the higher ilvl of the shield, the more block value it has

shield specialization also factors in

so how does it work? you maintain it

and blockable attacks are reduced by a calculation made with your block value and the difficulty of the content (otherwise known as the K value)

the vast majority of melee attacks are blockable, thats it

Sense maintains a list of other attacks in the pins and/or in #protection-faq known as the reflectable/blockable sheet

[frosty mango]

Imagine doing 7m dps overall and thinking you’re some kinda god

[lusty grotto]

last week was also a warlock

that was talking mad shit

idk its a 12 lol

[frosty mango]

TLDR - equip big shield live more

Math is for mages

[warm plinth]

#protection message

Ignore the spell block parts. The rest is still relevant

[shut glen]

🫡

[lofty warren]

A pug hunter was complaining my route bad in 16 flood can someone pls provide good one?

[plush tendon]

post your route and we can highlight what changes you should make

theres really not too much variation in Flood as far as I know

[nocturne spindle]

floodgate has tons of variation

depends on skips/crabs/keylevel

[plush tendon]

this is what I run with the bois

basically the only difference I make when pugging is drop the double demo pack in pull 6 and do the last two homies

[solid sun]

Pepega doing 16s

[plush tendon]

16 is a decent key level for Flood

lots of people stuck on 17 right now (like me)

we are close to getting the 18 timed; either a bit more practice

or we just wait for turbo to give us more dps

[mighty valley]

i've underestimated the power of tier lists...

[solid sun]

Lmao I just assume this is a set up for another troll

[kind urchin]

I was in a Floodgate the other day and somehow people were pulling shit from like half way across the dungeon.

[toxic gyro]

Looks like a good route to me.

Typical huntard complaining.

[warm plinth]

That's not the route of the guy asking.

[plush tendon]

yea, my routes are gold

carfully constructed

[frosty mango]

I’m on 17

I have it in 15 and we’re trying to skip 16

[plush tendon]

17 you dont need to do anything crazy

just lots of damage

though, new thing we are doing

[frosty mango]

But we don’t have a dedicated dps and honestly it’s just so brutal trying to find competent dps

[plush tendon]

when we kill one shredder in the pack before 1st boss, we bring the second shredder into first boss

to finish it off

also, at the end

we chain all of these pulls

once electrians are dead (and the big homie in the second pull)

in 17 we still did the last two, but lust them

but we tried a 18 and wiped there (we were like 30 seconds behind time)

partly due to healer fucking up dispells and dying and not being able to catch up

and those jumpstarters really start to hurt at a 18

if you can pull this pull off efficiently, you prob save a solid 1:00 on the timer

[frosty mango]

My struggle is honestly just getting good dps

Like going into swampface I would expect all dps be to be over 10m overall and that is rarely the case

[cerulean tusk]

Not saying it is the reason, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, if every group seem to be failing at something - especially the DPS output, often it does have to do something about how things are tanked

[plush tendon]

naw, you just have to be able to pump in floodgate

I dont have a log of our timed 17 Flood, but in a depleted ones after swapface dps were well over 10 mill overall

im sitting at 6 mill

[coarse bay]

My route pulls the 2 on previous platform in your pull 2 into 7

[cerulean tusk]

mhm, mhm, so why doesnt that happen in Roids group so consistently tho

[plush tendon]

ive seen that

we do a 'around the world' to grab all the mobs for pull 2 to bring to architect

so I cant really skip them

[plush tendon]

player diff

[cerulean tusk]

Just sayin' just sayin'

[plush tendon]

getting timed floodgate/priory is the stop gate

a 16 flood is like doing a 17 or 18 of another dungeon

but to keep moving up the resil ranks, you gotta time one of them

like my group banged out all the 18s in 1-2 nights on first or second try

now we just need to work on 18 Priory and Flood which will either come on reset or if we just go god mode for a key

[frosty mango]

I’m taking them fine because my dps is well above what you’d expect by that time in the key

It it’s a pretty good indicator to me in floodgate that dps is not to par when you have dps below the tank on any large trash pull

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/himouto-umaru-chan-eat-eating-munch-gif-5130360

[frosty mango]

You have to chain a lot to time floodgate and think a lot of dps struggle with that

Like for example when going from pull 2 to pull 3 you’re generally dragging mobs and a lot of dps will just stand back and kill the two mobs instead of just coming with and opening on a new pack

You are losing a lot of dps efficiency spending globals on 2 mobs instead of 7

[cerulean tusk]

I presume you mean, them not going in after you gathered

[plush tendon]

IDK, theres like two instances of me chain pulling in flood

[cerulean tusk]

Not wanting them to do the DH classic of zooming in with you, hunting the mobs

[frosty mango]

No they like literally stay back and don’t follow

[cerulean tusk]

Ya remember to ping, so they notice?

[frosty mango]

So I’m gathering a pack, it’s gathered - and they’re 30 yards away targeting a single mob

[cerulean tusk]

hms

[frosty mango]

Yeah I ping, I explain where the long chains are on the mdt I link before the run too lol

I have some runs with great dps

Floodgate is just a wierd departure from other keys I think

By far the hardest key to time right now imo

[pallid quiver]

just gear more speed

more fast = faster dungo

it's so ez

[cerulean tusk]

Actually true

just git gear, scrub

[lofty warren]

Been basically just doing the easy route on raider io. Ur pull 6 has mobs that want to stand still, teleport and shoot bs at you how you group then? Dk?

[plush tendon]

we have a DK yea, but people been doing this pull for a while

even without a DK

[plush tendon]

unironically true

the mage in my group is getting 10% ST on reset

and the DK is getting like 6%

just from Dinars and max upgrades

[unreal yarrow]

You can leap up to the left, and pull the two melee packs to move into to pat. Then aoe interrupt to move them.

[heavy sparrow]

rmy god so much this

Pull 2 for example

[frosty mango]

I have a speed set with like 10k speed for tmog runs

Feels so good

[lofty warren]

If i do like 2-3 keys in a row my left hand on the keyboard starts to get numb and I like need to shake it to get blood in.

[heavy sparrow]

@lofty warren

I ended up getting a $3 keyboard from a donation bin at a 2nd hand store

Whenever I'm doing keys, it can be loud. It saves the relationship with the wife

[lofty warren]

My problem is not noise its fingers losing feeljng

[frosty mango]

Ya this is called carpal tunnel

Yall need to invest in proper wrist rests

https://www.gloriousgaming.com/products/ergonomic-wrist-rest-wood

Recommend these for most people

Kinda expensive but they’ll last forever

[heavy sparrow]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08CDB2N36?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B098P8C3BT?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

these are good too

[lofty warren]

Getting old

Which one is better the wood one or one of these Amazon things

[heavy sparrow]

these are for your mouse hand

my wrist after 3 days stopped hurting with this. one is expensive, one is not. the cheaper one had been more comfy

[frosty mango]

Wood will not need to be replaced but takes a little longer to get used to

Don’t swallow any of them, they warn you there not to do that

In case you were tempted

[lofty warren]

I clicked the Amazon link and it asked me such an insulting question. Heck no I dont want to change countries

https://tenor.com/view/team-america-america-hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan-american-flag-gif-14478578

[winged rampart]

does thunder blast have a low crit chance or is it just details being weird

[jagged gust]

weird talent interaction

with details

well, logging

I'm pretty sure in this case it's seismic reverb which cant crit getting lumped together with the main cast

[west ferry]

Whenever I play floodgate people die a lot on the area before the duo boss due to shredders I think can I position them in a way to minimize this?

[warm plinth]

What mechanic are they dying to from the shredders?

[west ferry]

The blades on the ground

At least thats what I think they were dying to, I am pulling that whole area and it might be from the interruptable laser guys

[jagged gust]

shredders spawn under players

and they should have a big bar from a WA that tracks when it's casting

or you can do the skip and avoid that trash altogether

[winged rampart]

ok makes sense ty

[frosty mango]

This is exactly it

If you expand it in details you see the reg blast has a crit rate in line with what you expect

[severe plover]

Yo started playing prot warrior a few weeks ago. Every time on 2nd pull dawnbreaker i end up getting extra casters. does anyone know what it is?

[coarse bay]

Theres a few classes that pull them often if the person doesnt know how to avoid them, like fdk and balance druids

If anyone hits them with some form of frontal or something

Itll pull them into combat

[severe plover]

ok the ritualist in the back is so weird. is there a safe and consistent way to get it down?

[coarse bay]

Or if you get close enough u can probably hit them too with thunderclap

I just pull the middle group and move them over to the middle of the part of the ship that the ritualist starts at

Sometimes it pauses but not too common

[severe plover]

yea but thats the area i end up hitting casters and sometimes the ritualist is up the stairs

quote common in my experience. 50/50

[coarse bay]

Dont get too close to the wall there then maybe

And people need to put back to there and face center of ship

Let the ritualist come down to u

[severe plover]

makes sense

ok sending +17 wish me luck

[coarse bay]

Gl king

[severe plover]

hmm had something pull extra first pull xD

never seen that

[coarse bay]

Dawnbreaker sucks

[severe plover]

yup

[fallow monolith]

my bad if this is the wrong place, but im trying to figure out how to push out more damage on my Prot Warr in keys and in Raid...can link logs but just missing something...

[sinful copper]

Shield slam and clap more

And don't let rage get close to capping. Use ignore pain. Then avatar more with those resets

[fallow monolith]

i can't catch the other tank in Raid and he is a VDH i mean is there something more than SS and Clap and rage cap?

[errant oyster]

Battle stance when you’re not actively tanking

[mighty valley]

logs will always help

[fallow monolith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/goldenriot?partition=2 idk if you wanted to see kills or prog or what, any info would be appreciated

[jagged gust]

O.O

[fallow monolith]

i was testing different shit lmao

when i said im trying everything i meant everything lmao

[mighty valley]

you're overcapping a lot of rage, you're only blocking 70% of hits, and your priority seems off, lots of revenge

think start off by working on those things

[jagged gust]

I'm seeing 1 use of demo shout over an 8 min kill on plexus

[fallow monolith]

i mean defensive wise it didn't feel needed....is that just an L in my brain

[mighty valley]

demo shout provides rage and damage

via Booming Voice

[fallow monolith]

ah yes tanking mythic and don't know basics...understood

thank you for the direction

not being funny either @mighty valley seriosly i appreciate it

[mighty valley]

np! feel free to come back with a fresh log when you've got some of these things down

[fallow monolith]

preciate it!!

[fierce light]

i looooooooveee this spec

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-nose-poke-capy-coconut-gif-1974646734566907144

[jagged gust]

capy's are chill until they aren't

[fierce light]

bro if you get attacked by a capy

idk

you deserve it

[jagged gust]

That person is gonna wake up with a team of hairy gerbil assassins in their bedroom

[heady osprey]

How much vers is needed to solo a +30 key on Remix, anyone know?

[frosty roost]

Hey there is currently a problem with the aggro. I often lose aggro in the dungeon and the mobs run straight to the healer. Even massspot doesn't help.

[nocturne spindle]

Masspot?

If your losing agro to healer your just literally not hitting whatever is running to them

[frosty roost]

Disrupting Shout

[nocturne spindle]

Oh

I mean they're not in range if they're ignoring aoe taunt

[frosty roost]

This is strange, I pull a group and throw everything in and suddenly everyone runs to the healer

[nocturne spindle]

Clap go brrr

You should tclap pretty much everything you pull

[orchid narwhal]

You do not use shield block only as a defensive, it does have a damage component

Increaess shield slam by 30% damage, so theres 30% damage missing right there

[orchid narwhal]

You're also geared enough where you can sit in battle stance the entire fight, no real reason to be in dstance with this boss at your ilvl

You also do not swap youry trinket at the proper times, it should be on crit mode 100% of the fight, seems like you are just pressing it whenever

[fierce light]

should i be thunder clapping in ST to apply rend to not waste rage?

[dry skiff]

Is it normal for Soulbinder to not have all star Points in warcraftlogs ? mine is 0

[tawdry cloak]

what is the weakaura that changes the castbar when a spell is on a warrior that has reflect?

[sharp merlin]

There's two mobs:

• the Architect, especially when he's on the scaffold (FG)
• the Engorged Crawler (AK)
  both have the most messed up hitbox, the Crawler has a HUGE circle around the enemy, but you have to legit be in it's ass to hit it, anyone else finding this sometimes hard? I'm trying to shield slam, but my WA says im out of range

[sinful copper]

hows this route for 17 priory?

[fierce light]

i dont really like ur 4th and 3rd pull

[sinful copper]

3rd is chained with 2nd

4th is just by itself though

[fierce light]

i feel like u can pull the footmen from 4 and do it with 2

or to say it better

thats what i do

[sinful copper]

ooo and skip the pat sharpshooter from 4?

[idle mesa]

Pull 6 is insta wipe with pugs imo

[sinful copper]

i did 6 in a 16, but maybe healer was stronger

[fierce light]

yeah just make up that % somewhere else

i also pull these footmen one sec

im not in game so i cant send my route

but i just think u can have more efficient pulls

[sinful copper]

i see

do you also think pull 6 is too bad?

[fierce light]

personally no

if ur confident in ur group i dont see why itd be bad other than maybe ur healer getting hit by aoe shoot overlap xd

other than like the start ur pulls look like mine

[sinful copper]

what if i did that mini with just the 3 footmen to the left of it? where do i tank it so we can avoid the pat in front of that area?

cuz there's fire puddles to dodge and stuff. do i tank in that area where the mini starts at on the platform?

[fierce light]

wish i wasnt so broke on retail bro. this set is so good

[jagged pier]

making gold is not hard on retail it just take time

[fierce light]

i wouldnt even know where to start

i live off

guild repairs

[serene moth]

How usefull is the ring from Dimensius? Is it just good for Dimensius or would there be any reason to wear a 717 HC Dimensius ring vs a 727 crafted?

[dry skiff]

on how many targets is Volent outburst on TC worth it ?

[mellow bridge]

The effect is not worth dropping ilvl for, no

[oak ivy]

im responsible for solo soak on M NK, rn going into circle with swall, demo shout, block up, and a full stacked IP and it still just procs vet sometimes.. what the fuck

[jagged pier]

just have an immunity with u every time

[oak ivy]

is this real life the strat or do i need to git gud cuz idk what else to do

im even using the soulbinder shield trinky

[fierce light]

just ams it 5head

[jagged pier]

i dont know if just used SW and SR when i ve had to do it

never a problem

but jut have a paladin in bubble or mag ein ice block soak with u

literally no reason not too

[cobalt wagon]

Pull 6 is illegal even if you got lucky and lived it before on a low key. It’s a lot easier to just go watch a YouTube video or check rio for the most common routes

[cobalt wagon]

this is a pretty standard route. you just use taunt or a st ability on the 2 footman in pull 4 and they can be pulled without aggroing the sharpshooter. pull 7 can be split. pull 13 can be split. (you're pretty likely to wipe on pull 13 in a pug if you dont split it because theres 3 mages + 2 light spawn)

[grim pilot]

pull 2 is incredibly inefficient

[cobalt wagon]

It’s been pulled that way in most 20s

[grim pilot]

doesn't seem very true, whose 20s are you referring to specifically?

everybody likes to skip footmans

they have high hp, give shit count and make the pull slower

[cobalt wagon]

I’ve looked up multiple priority routes from multiple teams you can go do the research if you’d like

[grim pilot]

then you must remember at least one of them

because i've done my research and nobody plays it like that

[cobalt wagon]

I even have a screenshot for you where they went even smaller

[grim pilot]

this is literally different to what you posted

and something similar to what i'm doing myself

not to mention this is most likely an outdated route

[cobalt wagon]

We are discussing pull 2 not the whole route. You said it’s inefficient when people have gone even smaller on higher keys

[grim pilot]

because there are more efficient but harder routes out there

no, i said it's inefficient to pull that many footmans

i never said it's bad the pull is "small"

[cobalt wagon]

Oh that’s fair. Yeah you can pull that sharpshooter + caster + footman pack by the stairs instead. Little more execution for a pug but still easy. Very small time difference though so idk that I would call the one I sent inefficient.

[cobalt wagon]

Okay sorry I was wrong. Looks like this isn’t a common pull at all but I promise you I saw one of the top teams trying this pull on stream a couple weeks ago.

It’s a small variation though so that’s why I said it’s been done in most 20s. My mistake

[nocturne spindle]

this was my 18 route

wait

idk why the lats pack wasnt clicked

but this

[west ferry]

Is there a way for me to sim my survivability?
Or am I stuck just simming for dps

[warm plinth]

No, there is no way to sim survivability.

Beyond having a minimum of 21k haste when running Into the Fray, stats do not have a meaningful impact on survival beyond just wanting stats; having x amount of a stat will never be the reason you die.

[sinful copper]

Yolo 350k per token

[warm plinth]

speaking of tokens, they updated the store recently. Looks pretty cool

[sinful copper]

Oooh that's cool. Where do u fight pull 2? Right where those footmen are?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[torn gulch]

good evening
i need prot pala grim batol one shot gif

does somebody have it?

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484849157140512778/1311479247956873257/protpaladin.gif

[torn gulch]

thank you very much

[cold radish]

best items to spend cartel chips on if not mythic raiding?

[frosty mango]

We don’t know what’s on the vendor yet

But sim all your options and pick what’s best

If you don’t mythic raid then it would likely be a m+ trinket, tome or pacemaker

[coarse sable]

my damage is still trash .. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gR2VA8QjY1XxPqBz?fight=14&type=damage-done&source=65 can someone check?

[frosty mango]

you're playing bloodsurge instead of shield spec - technically a dps increase but I don't think many people here would recommend it.

you sent 33 thunder claps with violent outburst, which is a massive damage loss, which leads me to believe you are not tracking violent outburst

your shield slam cpm is a little lower than I would expect for your ilvl, I would expect 18-19

you cast one execute the entire dungeon, which probably correlates to your boss damage being low

youre wasting 6% of your rage. not as egregious as some examples but its still a sizable amount of rage (1454) over the key which equates to roughly 35 extra executes and 5-6 extra outburst procs

your comp is not really aligned to your damage. No sham = no parse, for the most part.

[coarse sable]

hmm i track it but i dont pay much attention to it tbh.. i play warri since 2 weeks so im a bit overwelmed and holy press basic rotation - def have to work on it!

thx for indept feedback!

[cobalt wagon]

bored and trying to make a full dps talent page for turboboost, is red right hand more dmg than whirling blade/ravager if im playing every other execute talent? ill sim it later but thought id ask too

i guess wowhead answers that it looks like i should just drop enduring alacrity for red right hand instead

[grizzled nova]

Biggest problem is just your avatar uptime is low, should be near 60%, some of that is the rage overcap, some of that is not prioritizing rage generation.

The only time it's worth holding the rotation at all for shield slam on VO is pure single target, or if you don't have a TB available.

Once you're in 2+ targets, sending vo on tb is the right thing to do for dps, which is gonna be like 80% of your vo in m+

Try not to overcap tb, but if you're in the middle of a triple bop slam then you might and that's whatever, but use every tb you can, shield slam as much as you can, focus on never overcapping rage.

Looking at your avatar uptime is the easiest way to track how you're improving with your rotation, better/more correct play = higher avatar uptime.

The real trick to maximum parse m+ pad is just being extremely aware of vo's timing going into having 4pc buff up, which you always always send on tclap, even in st.

[frosty mango]

Also having a shaman

Skyfury adds so much it’s really kind of unreal

[coarse sable]

Ok so you guys send Avatar on cd?

Most of the time

[pallid quiver]

The more Avatar is on CD, the more cooldown reduction you can use

meaning you get more Avatar time overall, since you get more Avatars

And every time you press Avatar, you get an extra bit of rage

That fuels the next avatar and outburst

which that outburst gives more rage

which fuels the next avatar and outburst

Holding Avatar is pretty much never the play unless you're going straight into a long period of downtime as Prot War because of how often our rage sources dip into each other

[coarse sable]

Ok will work on that also

Thank you guys for the advices

[sinful copper]

Only time I've ever held avatar was in arakara last room for the stupid slowing guys

[fierce light]

can i macro charge and impending together

since i cant charge in melee

i wanna free up my action bars a little

[sharp merlin]

Wot

[warm plinth]

Yes

[fierce light]

are there any other similar macros?

[warm plinth]

Nope, unfortunately not

[pulsar epoch]

guys i need simple omicd profile cds and some defensives to track. Is there any profile like smtg free ?

currently i have naowh profile but someclass cds not showing

[rancid tiger]

Prob dont waste time

On something we cant use next expansion

[warm plinth]

Decided to see if I could solo my key on remix (wasn't sure what kind of gear and shit you needed).

It was pretty fun

[stuck basin]

there is still 4 months of tww - dont be mad to people who try to improve right now

[zenith sierra]

Hey big gamers, good night

How its going on? I had a question, which trinket for m+ being prot are better right now? assuming Mythic track level, Was thinking DH raid boss trinket and Astral antena, but assuming not raiding, which ones would be the best? Tome of light/Seaforium + Brand of ceaseless fire ?

[stuck basin]

check out quazii he has good free profiles for all those addons - plater omnicd etc

[rancid tiger]

Not mad at all

Just saying having to unlearn is rough🥲

Quazii is great

Both his guides and his wa's

[coarse sable]

can someone explain me how shield specialization works? i have max block chance with shieldblock no?#

[warm plinth]

You don't use it for the block chance

You use it for the block value

You take approximately 7% more damage from blockable attacks if you do not run Shield Spec

[coarse sable]

SO itrs BIIIIIG talent?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[coarse sable]

never played it..

taking rage on deep wounds talent thing

[warm plinth]

We only get block value from shield and a couple of talents, so not taking one of those talents is silly when block value makes the thing that makes us very strong, stronger. And the extra silly part is that the folks giving it up are giving it up for very very lackluster talents like Enduring Alacrity or Bloodborne. While both grant a small amount of damage, there are a lot better talents you could pick if you wanted damage (and better talents to drop for that damage). And neither are better than Shield Spec for survival.

[coarse sable]

hmm can u show your talents?

[warm plinth]

I use the weekly build on wowhead

[coarse sable]

ok

[livid hill]

Hello guys. I need your help, i have 3 trinkets and dont know which 2 of those will be best for my prot. I know that Ritual Mud is on down of bloodmalet list but it gaves me alot of versa which my prot is missing a little i think and its a myth item. Tome and peacemaker are hero .

[lime urchin]

use pacemaker and tome in all your m+, switch tome for mud in rougher prot warr dungeons like floodgate / priory when you notice you need help on certain bosses
dont look too much at vers

[livid hill]

we have another prot in our guild which is stacking versa, hes got something around 30 i think O_o and hes doi n realy good dps

[arctic marten]

Something i've noticed from looking at Protection logs in the log review channel is that most of the logs have Thunder Clap above Revenge in CPM.
Why does this happen, and what causes it?

[livid hill]

you mainly use revenge as fishing for shield slam i think

and your main dmg abbilities are Shield slam and thunder slam/blast i think ?

in top of that you have set bonus for TB

But i may be wrong

[fierce light]

yk

i just found out u dont even press slam

heh.

[molten mirage]

Would anyone be kind enough to review a log for me? Just picked up Prot. Killed a boss last week with 708 ilvl and got a better log than I did this week at 719

[orchid narwhal]

Sure

Post it in logs channel and somebody will take a lok at it

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto are you giga op in remix yet?