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frosty mango
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Not with that attitude you can’t

indigo hawk
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Because some people have more fun from minmaxing than playing. It make use brain and not mechanic and we are just primate that love using brain

dusky canopy
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I enjoy optimizing my character

plush tendon
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not with that attitude!

dusky canopy
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I’m specifically loot driven

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In this game

frosty mango
dusky canopy
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I actually get bored of the game when my character is as powerful as it can possibly be

frosty mango
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It’s like building a race car and then just driving it in a circle on your driveway, what’s the point?

dusky canopy
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I’ve gotten full bis twice in my wow experience

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Both times I instantly lost my “drive” to play ngl

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I live for the loot grind

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And min maxing

frosty mango
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I never really hit true bis because we finish prog far before that ever happens lol

plush tendon
indigo hawk
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People pay 4k€ for a gamer pc to play LoL… people like to spend time and money on useless thing

plush tendon
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so you can do both

frosty mango
plush tendon
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the min max part hits that RTS/Strat game part of my brain

frosty mango
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But bis is largely a factor of time played

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Like you will always get bis if you put enough time bc crests get unlocked so why not just full send every week

indigo hawk
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For a exemple I got a friend that take hours to build an UI for class he gonna never play in his Life… we can’t use Logic when it come to why people do something instead of other thing

plush tendon
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building UIs for different specs and classes is dumb

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I go full standerdized on my UIs

frosty mango
plush tendon
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if it aint literally the same on all my toons, I riot

frosty mango
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I’m not one to say anyone is playing wrong bc you can’t really - I just don’t understand why

plush tendon
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though the extra I level will for sure help

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from last reset to this reset 18s are now free, 17s are a joke

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so now we working on the 19s

dusky canopy
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Big fan of the full package ui from Naowh

frosty mango
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I think you underestimate the skill level of the average wow player

dusky canopy
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I don’t have to spend my own time tinkering with it

frosty mango
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Who struggles in 12s

dusky canopy
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It’s neat and provides all information I could ever need

plush tendon
frosty mango
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If I join a pug key below a 13 with people of key level IO (2500-2700) 95% of the time I’m outdpsing them as the tank and have five times the stops

plush tendon
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still my favorite

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frosty mango
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And that’s fine becuase they’re playing at their level

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But just saying 17s are certainly not free for most people, the opposite - completely out of reach lol

plush tendon
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I was talking specifically for my group

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the extra I level has certaintly helped us

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next week will be the big one though

indigo hawk
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17 are free with a good Group sadge

frosty mango
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I just want dimensius to die so I can quit until February

plush tendon
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our FDK will finally replace his normal netherprism

frosty mango
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I thought I was gonna get lucky and get to sit on Salad king alas the universe is cruel

plush tendon
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idk, its a good wow season

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dungeons are fun

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I didnt mythic raid this tier

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and legion remix is pretty good

frosty mango
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We stopped at 16s, we’ll push prob to 18-19 during turbo boost but I don’t wanna

dusky canopy
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Bench riding is wild to me

frosty mango
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If I’m playing past November I’ll be sad

frosty mango
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I love prog, I wanna be in on prog

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Farm is boring

dusky canopy
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Idk man maybe I’m just a raid fiend but I want to be in every single raid night if I can

frosty mango
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If I was on dps maybe

indigo hawk
frosty mango
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But you can’t really parse farm as a healer unless you duo or solo heal and if you’re reclearing before prog no one wants to do it

dusky canopy
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And slows

frosty mango
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Overhealing reclear is misery

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Tanking raid is misery in general, lol

indigo hawk
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When 23059 murlocs run away and you only got 2 grips critcake

frosty mango
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You can stun them

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And they stop running

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They don’t run again after they get stopped

indigo hawk
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Really ?

plush tendon
frosty mango
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Pretty sure

indigo hawk
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Is this black magic ?

plush tendon
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the murloks are fine

frosty mango
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I play triple stormbolt for that key and just bolt the stragglers and then once it wears off they just run back

plush tendon
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its the dudes going to the second boss in halls

frosty mango
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Im not sure on those bc thats a debuff they get

indigo hawk
frosty mango
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I also don’t pull those

plush tendon
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and we use all of our stops on the Obliterators

frosty mango
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Only pull one trash pack there before going to boss

plush tendon
plush tendon
south wing
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am i allowed to post logs and ask for feedback here? I need help figuring out why im doing low DPS for my ilvl in raid

lusty grotto
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oops wrong one

indigo hawk
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That pull 3 is pure suicide

lusty grotto
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no its not

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cause healing cds are up

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thats why its pull 3

frosty mango
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this is what ive been doing lately

lusty grotto
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hunter on hound, 2 caster kicks, they get burned with funnel anyway

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either way i dont do that one

frosty mango
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I combine 5+6 if the group is good

indigo hawk
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I don’t Even take the 2 caster anymore, so much deplate here so with 3 caster… critcake

lusty grotto
plush tendon
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slasher on 3rd boss is spicey

frosty mango
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why

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it doesnt do anything

lusty grotto
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a lot of people are doing slasher on that boss

plush tendon
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really

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hmmmmm

lusty grotto
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it does an aoe

frosty mango
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its got a frontal you control, and an aoe shout every so often

lusty grotto
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but you can time it right

plush tendon
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I shall experiment with this

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also means I can drag the puppies from the pull before more easily

indigo hawk
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Yeah this big bat with boss look so hard for healer

plush tendon
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I also dont pull the two oblis in your pull 3

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I just pull the shard away now

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and do it with the remainder of your pull 2

frosty mango
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and you can natty heal the shout

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you cd if theres an overlap bt ghost/shout

frosty mango
indigo hawk
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Because too many kick with not dodgeable aoe

lusty grotto
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what

plush tendon
indigo hawk
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So if a single kick is miss, it’s a kill

frosty mango
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wdym too many kicks

lusty grotto
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its one kick

frosty mango
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you personally have 18 seconds of stops there

plush tendon
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its 2 oblis and a collector

frosty mango
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shockwave the first set of casts, sync them, aoe disrupt

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then kick a wicked

lusty grotto
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oh we're talking about pull 1

frosty mango
plush tendon
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pull 1 is one kick

indigo hawk
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I swear i did it like 15 time on 17 and I did it when I changed this pull

plush tendon
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yea, im on team pulling it away

indigo hawk
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I got so many death because people don’t kick

plush tendon
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besides, dont really need that count

indigo hawk
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Easy pack in Group, horrible in pugs

plush tendon
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I also try to plan to pull stuff on bosses for our arcane mage

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hes very happy when i do

lusty grotto
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what pull are we talking about

indigo hawk
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Pull 3

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The big rock with 2 casters

lusty grotto
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wdym ive done that pull in pugs easily

frosty mango
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you can lock down the two oblits by yourself completely for 18 seconds

plush tendon
frosty mango
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if they are alive after 18 seconds

lusty grotto
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people know they should tunnel and focus kick oblits by now

frosty mango
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the problem isnt kicks its dps

lusty grotto
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if you wipe to kicks, just go next key, that group aint shit

indigo hawk
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This pull give me PTSD from bad pug, and now so easy without those caster

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Ah no sorry it’s 3 caster, not 2

lusty grotto
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its 2 oblits

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collectors dont do shit

orchid narwhal
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That pull is really hard for pugs, youre better off doing it in a split

lusty grotto
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they stop their cast with a stop

orchid narwhal
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Any overlap in any place

lusty grotto
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nah

orchid narwhal
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18 seconds of cc in a pug is not realistic

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Nobody is letting you get that much cc off alone in a pug

frosty mango
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for 18 seconds

orchid narwhal
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ur shaman hits cap at start

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u get overlap kick

frosty mango
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youre getting there before your sham

orchid narwhal
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literally anything happens

frosty mango
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with shockwave

orchid narwhal
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you dont get 18 sexonds

frosty mango
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you know they're gonna cast immediately

indigo hawk
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If they cc at the moment you aoe kick

frosty mango
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you disrupt

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thats 10 seconds right there

lusty grotto
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demo?

frosty mango
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disrupt

indigo hawk
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Sorry don’t know name in english

orchid narwhal
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10 seconds isnt long enough to survive that pull

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idk this is super unrealistic

frosty mango
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you have a kick coming right out of that, and a storm bolt

indigo hawk
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After this 10 second, it’s vietnam

orchid narwhal
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^

frosty mango
lusty grotto
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nobody is making you guys do this

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all youre doing here is showing you have no balls

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cause we do it fine

indigo hawk
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People do it in high key

orchid narwhal
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laughing

frosty mango
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wicked bolts are gonna murder past like 16/17 anyway

indigo hawk
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I don’t find this idea from my Little head

frosty mango
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imo past that its all the same to the healer

lusty grotto
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🤷‍♂️

frosty mango
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either it gets kicked and you live or it doesnt and you die

indigo hawk
frosty mango
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if a bolt gets off in a 16, its the same as a bolt getting off in a 20

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it will result in a death

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so to the healer, its the same

indigo hawk
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Ah yeah right

frosty mango
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so if you can heal the aoe

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which you already are

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there is zero functional difference other than execution

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i would not consider it to be a high risk pull like I would the ara kara first pull

indigo hawk
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3 casters is all time a hard pull without coordination

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On every dungeon

frosty mango
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its really only two though

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the collector cast doesnt do anything

indigo hawk
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Yeah but they spam the shit

frosty mango
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so?

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it gets a little more health, you drag it into the next pull

indigo hawk
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Well we talk in circle, but I really struggled here in 17 and when i stoped that I did it in one try, just a tips because I don’t think i’m the only one

frosty mango
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Im all for changing a route to reduce scary kick requirements, but imo 2 casters is just standard pull

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id say more than 3 youre getting into sketchy territory

indigo hawk
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But if you succed with pug, good to you

lusty grotto
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doing safe pulls will only get you so far

indigo hawk
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Some pull with 6 casters in Ecodome are simplier than this one

frosty mango
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imo what it casts is more important than the fact that it casts

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arcane bolts in eco dome are largely inconsequential, its the arcing zap that gets you

indigo hawk
frosty mango
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but wicked bolts in hoa are deadly

lusty grotto
mellow bridge
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it's not even the bolts, it's the dispell that gets you

lusty grotto
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you "really started to go high key" when you got DPS to make up for the probably inefficient routing

lusty grotto
mellow bridge
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i mean youre advocating for an inefficient pull where you want dps to tunnel the oblits instead of the shard

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that's just bad advice

lusty grotto
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also 17s arent high

frosty mango
orchid narwhal
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Nim outta curiosity whats the highest halls key youve done

undone beacon
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7

indigo hawk
lusty grotto
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i mean

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im not wrong

orchid narwhal
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Well just asking, what is the highest key youve done in halls

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Crazy how fast that went quiet

lusty grotto
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i mean

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i can recognize where this is going

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so i dont have to answer it

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try arguing instead?

indigo hawk
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You can’t say 17 is not high, to go 17 in pugs you need a lot of hours and knowledge

orchid narwhal
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Well idk you argue really hard for practicality but if you havent done the key? what do you know about practicality

lusty grotto
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because i have

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done the key

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am i gonna get rio checked?

indigo hawk
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Yeah 22 is high for you ok but so only the 0,0001% is good and other are trash… I really don’t like why gamer see world like that

frosty mango
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pretty sure the top end keys for halls are pulling a bunch of trash into second boss and doing a massive pull after the first boss

and also pretty sure the highest end keys skip the 2 oblits on pull 3 completely in favor of taking a gargoyle ahead of the second boss

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but I dont think they skip the oblits bc of kick requirements

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they skip them at the bleeding edge because overlapping dispels fucks you

mellow bridge
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the main reason to skip double oblit with shard is the dispell

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as you cant dispell both necessarily and it going off during the aoe is a death

lusty grotto
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isnt that what hes saying

indigo hawk
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Oh yeah i forgot that part

mellow bridge
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the double oblit pull after 1st boss can be ok as there arent any overlaps with dispells as long as you can kick well

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but even then a lot of groups start skipping that one

frosty mango
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and that is not true

mellow bridge
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as it still requires a defensive right after doing double anklebiters where you need all

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and right before 2nd boss where you need all

indigo hawk
lusty grotto
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its not rude

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its the truth

mellow bridge
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it started as that ye, but there were a lot of diff, questionable statements

lusty grotto
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yeah idk disco is still stuck 2 hours ago apparently

frosty mango
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I pull the double oblit there because its unlikely pugs will die in a 17/18 to that but its highly likely they will die and asspull if I pull gargs and runners into the pull after the first boss to account for skipping those mobs

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pulling trash from across the instance into the triple reaver pull is asking for trouble in a pug

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a lot more than expecting a few kicks

indigo hawk
# lusty grotto its the truth

I started playing in TWW for m+ and really started to hit good rank when i stoped with impossible pull and I was asking myself « wtf dps just don’t kick », I just simplified some route and it worked

frosty mango
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splitting them is inherently less risky with kicks but my primary point was imo kicks are not (and should not) be an issue on that pull because you can control them on your own for a considerable time

lusty grotto
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im talking in general

frosty mango
lusty grotto
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stop thinking im targetting you here

frosty mango
indigo hawk
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But you don’t think im aware that more ilvl mean more level of key ?

lusty grotto
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i... what?

indigo hawk
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No he just Said something that I experiented is false, you need good ego to say that

lusty grotto
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roid

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can you translate

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i dont know where this is going

frosty mango
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no i wanna see you fight

lusty grotto
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fight what

frosty mango
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each other

lusty grotto
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but i dont understand

frosty mango
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i need you both to meet outside org

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and 1v1

indigo hawk
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Man you are rude with me and after acte has a victim… ok I see what kind of dialogue is this

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You are rude, you get answer, happen

lusty grotto
frosty mango
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pretty sure disco is not american

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and not capturing the nuance of your statements

indigo hawk
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How can you not target me if you tag me in the comment ?

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Yeah sorry French baguette is hard

lusty grotto
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can you point to the statements

frosty mango
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i would guess european, maybe nordic or french

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heyyy i was right

torn gulch
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french 100%

frosty mango
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we need more french people, disco you make two

dusky canopy
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@sharp gale French is requested!

frosty mango
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french people make good food - i am down with France

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especially bread

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which I love

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bc carbs are awesome

indigo hawk
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For the last time… I Said that I really did big progress as tank when i started to stop trying impossible pull from top pusher, and you Said me « no you don’t», so i just say yes I did, now think like you want but it’s weird ton answer like that and saying after « I’m not targeting you »

cerulean tusk
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Did I miss fight vs rat? 🐁 🤠

indigo hawk
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Or this is some wow attitude im not used

lusty grotto
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ok i see what youre saying

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and thats why you said ilvl

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that makes more sense now

frosty mango
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so we have assigned you as his lawyer

indigo hawk
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I don’t speak baguette here but it would be more easy

cerulean tusk
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Awww, I came in as it was resolved

lusty grotto
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my point was that safe pulling is doable with better players

cerulean tusk
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Nim u wrong tho

frosty mango
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funky and disco bout to come in swinging (with baguettes)

lusty grotto
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ive seen a mile of a difference between the same route from player skill in the same week

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so if you press W, you can time easily with high dps

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the point of the key is to time it so it works

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thats not a bad thing

indigo hawk
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Water is weat

lusty grotto
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now whos being rude

frosty mango
cerulean tusk
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If the argument is: Pull based on yours and others skill level, playing it safe = more completions
I agree.

cerulean tusk
indigo hawk
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okayge 🥖

frosty mango
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what if dry is really wet and wet is dry and youve been lied to your entire life

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and water was really dry

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/yogi

lusty grotto
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anyway moving on

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from "thats not a bad thing"

cerulean tusk
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What if water itself isnt wet, but water can make other things wet

lusty grotto
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which is why i said

indigo hawk
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The thing is, you can’t control how many dps you gonna have in pugs, but as a tank you can control if they gonna survive from your pull or not, and that’s my point

lusty grotto
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its a fact

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im just clarifying why you did better

cerulean tusk
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I mean, disco is right about his point tho

lusty grotto
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listen

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if you ask for a route

indigo hawk
lusty grotto
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and then complain about the pulls in that route

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while drawing it out in this bullshit conversation

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bring out the cat to troll

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and all that shit

cerulean tusk
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You should have an adaptable route

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Wtf u on about

lusty grotto
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maybe you shouldnt have asked for the route to begin with

cerulean tusk
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???

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I didnt

lusty grotto
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fuck off cat

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im not talking to you

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im adressing Disco

indigo hawk
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I didn’t too

cerulean tusk
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Hydrate u r tho

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Oooo, the plot thiccens

lusty grotto
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oh true it was Augusto

plush tendon
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oh no, I did

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I like to see what people do

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and ask questions

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and get new ideas

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thinking about Garg on 3rd boss now

cerulean tusk
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Nim wrong on so many levels atm, oh no

plush tendon
lusty grotto
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nah im not

plush tendon
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still dont like his 2nd shard pull, but thats ok

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some other good stuff in there im gonna steal

lusty grotto
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they can not like a certain pull

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and not use the route

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thats it

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or do what Augusto is saying and modify it

plush tendon
cerulean tusk
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I said modify it

lusty grotto
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nobody is talking to you

cerulean tusk
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You always talk to me

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❤️

plush tendon
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I wonder if my race change will work tonight

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I want to be a dwarf with all my friends

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so we can match

cerulean tusk
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But why

plush tendon
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
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Meld tho

plush tendon
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dwarf gang

cerulean tusk
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1% dodge

lusty grotto
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we really need a route channel so its completely gone from this one

plush tendon
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not a fan of NElf Warrior

lusty grotto
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is there not a routing discord or some shit

plush tendon
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Nelf is more for my VDH and Bear

frosty mango
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There is no nuance

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Only love and hate

cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
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also a remix channel

frosty mango
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And a food channel

cerulean tusk
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Nah, remix is general

plush tendon
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oh, @frosty mango in Eco are you backing away from Sents to dodge frontal

lusty grotto
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absolutely a food channel

plush tendon
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or do you eat the frontal

lusty grotto
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wait no, this is the food channel

plush tendon
cerulean tusk
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PvP is good for gains tho

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All the creatin

frosty mango
cerulean tusk
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Disco disco fun fun

frosty mango
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But for all the rest I back out

plush tendon
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I legit hate that trash in Eco

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the phaseblades teleport so fucking much

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and I swear they are getting back shots on me

frosty mango
plush tendon
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when I walk away

frosty mango
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If you charge it’s so dumb

plush tendon
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yea, I charge the none phaseblades

indigo hawk
plush tendon
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im more of less talking about when I dodge sent frontal

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imagine if I had Spell Block

frosty mango
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Ikr

unreal yarrow
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You can dodge sentinels frontal? Is it like the bug things where it stops the xast or do you just back far enough that you out range it?

cerulean tusk
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
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yeah you can stand far enough back

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or leap away

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whichever

unreal yarrow
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Oh ok

cerulean tusk
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You got time to straferun

lusty grotto
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its in Sense's pinned sheet btw

cerulean tusk
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Not to backpeddal

plush tendon
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its a bit tight

lusty grotto
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backpedal*

plush tendon
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but I got good move speed

cerulean tusk
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Wohaaaa

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Angry rat

plush tendon
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I even put on move speed boot enchants

lusty grotto
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hmmm i actually thought you did the "backpeddle" thing

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good bait

plush tendon
cerulean tusk
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I love as much speed as possible

plush tendon
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Speed is great

cerulean tusk
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Just makes gameplay so much better

lusty grotto
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BDK mains

plush tendon
lusty grotto
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what can you do

cerulean tusk
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AMS

plush tendon
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stand your ground

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and pop purg

lusty grotto
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i meant the two of you

cerulean tusk
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Purg popped on the 1stauto

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I went from 100 to 99%,better pop purg

undone beacon
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Oh fuck I’m gonna purggggg

lusty grotto
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🫡

cerulean tusk
plush tendon
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Purg vs BSV is so funny

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a lot of times I plan to have BSV pop

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for a pull or boss mech

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but once I lose purg, my heart rate increases on my BDK till I have it back

undone beacon
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Imagine having a cheat

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This post was brought to you by Bear

cerulean tusk
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Purg = no more hearthstone

plush tendon
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I cant get into bear

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Ive gotten 3k on mine

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hes still super undergeared... its just missing something for me

undone beacon
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EC or DOTC?

plush tendon
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EC.... prob should try DoTC

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Im still a new bear

undone beacon
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DoTC is the spice that bear needs, EC is reliable but jesus fuck its boring

plush tendon
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yea..... EC is really fucking boring

#

do you shapeshift in M+ as DoTC?

#

so you can kitty?

undone beacon
#

Theres a bit more thought involved with ripweaving, and you dont really lose much defensively because of retaining ironfur in cat form

#

If you want to do damage then yeah you catweave

plush tendon
#

hmmm, I gotta try that

undone beacon
#

Ripweave on bosses and high prio targets, or if you're a gamer you can optimize to fish for ravage procs

cerulean tusk
#

Does it do actually good dam tho?

plush tendon
#

I alread shapeshift into kitty sometimes

#

but that because I hit it accidentently

undone beacon
#

If you're ripweaving it does big damage, if you're not catweaving at all it does about the same (or sometimes less) as EC

cerulean tusk
#

Is it 8m...Or is it kittyweave to do 3m overall

plush tendon
#

my 704 Bear does like 2 mill and change overall right now

#

IDK, rather just play warrior tbh

undone beacon
#

I mean its not going to beat prot warr numbers but it'll do substantially more than EC if played right

#

If you're playing bear and dont want to fall asleep at the wheel then I'd say give DoTC Ripweaving a try

cerulean tusk
#

Meh, then it aint worth the effort. I will just continue to heartstrike spam

undone beacon
#

Gross

plush tendon
#

im with you

undone beacon
#

BDK

plush tendon
#

just gonna BDK

undone beacon
#

I'm also just a BDK hater

cerulean tusk
#

Why

plush tendon
undone beacon
#

I find it incredibly unfun to play lol

#

Any tank with a ground effect is on my shitlist right away

cerulean tusk
#

Fair, it is the perfect chill tank in my head

lusty grotto
#

i was on the same boat but bdk isnt that bad

cerulean tusk
#

I just do what i do

plush tendon
#

yea, BDK is chill to me

lusty grotto
#

ppal is still my most hated tank due to consecrate though

plush tendon
#

Prot Pal is fun.... sometimes

#

othertimes I want to throw my CPU through a wall

undone beacon
#

See bear is my chill tank, BDK stresses me out and just isnt fun

#

If I'm pushing I'll go on my warr but if im just vibin ill go bear and thrash

#

(Also im in bear jail for prog anyways)

plush tendon
#

my bear is reserved for Monday night keys

cerulean tusk
#

BDK stresses you, eh? Guess you looking at your Health bar

lusty grotto
#

if ppal had consecration removed (or reworked), i would enjoy it a fuckload more for sure

plush tendon
#

when people log in and need a weekly

#

they get the bear

undone beacon
#

No I'm just inexperienced at rotating CDs and utilizing runic power properly and I don't really enjoy the spec so I'm not going to put myself through the paces to learn it when I could play a tank I enjoy

#

I know you care about your runic not your health but I just... dont fuck with it

cerulean tusk
#

Fair again, tho

U missing out

lusty grotto
#

this is fine bear

undone beacon
#

I geared my BDK in S1 for Broodtwister prog and hated every second of it

cerulean tusk
#

Raid tank BDK is abysmal boring tho

undone beacon
#

Raid tank is abysmal boring tho

cerulean tusk
#

M+ is all about minmaxing health bar bounce, that is neat

undone beacon
#

See my tank power fantasy is being the unbreakable wall with a healthbar that doesnt move lol

cerulean tusk
#

Yeh, raid tanking ain't fun on anything

#

Pull 539 of DPS #3 200th death, gets old

No matter what

#

First 1-100 pulls tho, while you learn the fight is fun tho

#

Then it is all downhill

undone beacon
#

"Three deaths, wipe it"

#

We're STILL on Araz

#

I hate it here

lusty grotto
#

what are you wiping to

#

you should have the dps easily by now

jagged pier
#

i just got quoted 12k for a recraft

#

what ahs happend to the crafting scene

lusty grotto
#

:\

jagged pier
#

i mean not like i did it but still i was amazed

frosty mango
frosty mango
#

Your raiders either can do mechanics or can’t

#

If they aren’t mechanics gamers - all of them

#

You gonna be there forever lol

undone beacon
#

People just cant stay alive yeah

frosty mango
#

Orbs?

undone beacon
#

We have the damage but people loooove dropping silence puddles on the group

#

or eating the discs

#

or eating beams in intermission

frosty mango
#

yeah cant help that

undone beacon
#

Exactly

lusty grotto
#

have you been soaking discs as the tank?

undone beacon
#

I have

lusty grotto
#

and having your DKs do it too

frosty mango
#

even if they aren't its impossible to die if you use your head

lusty grotto
#

yeah agreed

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

but it helps

undone beacon
#

I'm eating so many fucking discs and people STILL die to them

frosty mango
#

one pylon always goes first, run INTO that pylons safe zone, then turn around and the other two are free

#

one of them will be blocked by the tank, the other you just sidestep

undone beacon
#

See now you're getting into advanced gamer strats that would make their heads spin

#

./s

frosty mango
#

i dont understand people who stand in melee and die repeatedly "well the tank didnt block"

#

as if the orbs dont come from three directions

undone beacon
#

Luckily nobody has thrown that accusation out lol

#

We just have backpacks that die early every pull and not enough firepower to carry multiple people through the boss

frosty mango
#

i am omega big brain on that fight

#

when I heal

#

i just go stand behind the pylon

#

no orbs to dodge

undone beacon
#

One of those backpacks was on bench last week, got mad about being on bench, refused to come in when we asked her to, and instead hopped in her friends raid, got carried through an araz kill, and then left the guild lmao

#

Was pretty epic

frosty mango
#

why doesnt details have a blur name feature

sharp merlin
#

Is it possible to make a weak aura, which states:

Shield Slam is on CD
TClap is on CD
and you have enough rage for Revenge?

If so: Glow revenge

frosty mango
#

yes

#

at least until prepatch

undone beacon
#

Too bad theyre killing WAs

sharp merlin
#

The higher I get, the more I'm noticing that I'm losing aggro to DK/DH who are just smashing it, and I can't hit either SS or TC

frosty mango
#

on initial pull or moving between pack to pack

sharp merlin
#

Pack to pack, if SS / TC is not available

#

I can scream at them to hold it

#

but you know, le zug be zugging

lusty grotto
#

whats your weapon ilvl

#

is it myth and maxed?

sharp merlin
#

Maxxed Crafted

lusty grotto
#

pack to pack seems

#

strange

frosty mango
sharp merlin
#

like maybe 5-7 sec into the pack

#

if they are targetting something I am not

#

I can lose aggro slightly

lusty grotto
#

so technically thats "initial pull"

frosty mango
#

you should never move into a new pack without a thunderblast proc

lusty grotto
#

and not "pack to pack'

frosty mango
#

if you do you will lose threat to dps with brains

#

i usually chain pull as the previous pack is dying, ill bank up a charge with shield slam if avatar isnt off cooldown then jump off

#

but if you dont have a blast proc you will 100% lose threat to competent dps - especially demon hunters who love to eyebeam shit .000001 seconds into a pull

#

does ionizing strike hit one target 5 times if only 1 target is present

#

or is it up to 5 targets

indigo hawk
#

I try to save Thunder roar for pull, idk if it build a lot of aggro but i have no problem with aggro

sharp merlin
#

In that moment, I had just enough rage to Revenge, and maybe snipe a free SS reset

indigo hawk
#

Ah I think you press to much IP

#

So you did like 2/3 sec without spell

jagged pier
#

u sit on 2 stacks of TB for 3 seconds

indigo hawk
#

Yeah, never use something else if you got 2 stack of TB

frosty mango
#

you didnt lose him so much as you never got him

nocturne spindle
#

you lose him because you never hit him

#

lmao

indigo hawk
#

And try to demo at the start for the dmg amp

nocturne spindle
#

hes the prio mob and your focuising a diver

plush tendon
#

put some damage into that homie

frosty mango
#

here I would have immediately shield slammed him as he was coming out of the stand

#

and if the DH had eye beam up id have held a blast

#

if eye beam was down the shield slam should be enough

#

but in that scenario you know a few things:

  • you know the architect is immune until the scaffold is down
  • you know everyone is aoeing
  • you know the architect will come out of the scaffold into the aoe

so it stands to reason you will lose threat as soon as the scaffold is killed unless you taunt or shield slam - so you hold something for it

sharp merlin
#

Alright - good to know 😄

sharp merlin
#

Cause pugs don't kick

#

luckily this one did

nocturne spindle
#

you need to invest in focus and mouseover kicks my friend

lusty grotto
#

agreed

#

this is not a "WA for revenge" issue

nocturne spindle
#

but regardless

#

this is kind of a unique situation

frosty mango
#

this part of your ui is also covering like 30% of your visible play area and nameplates

image.png
#

you should move it

sharp merlin
#

I like it

lusty grotto
#

nah its not

#

roid is wrong there

#

cause i use naowh too

nocturne spindle
#

because you are focusing "him" but its just his scaffolding which doesnt give agro to him once it breaks

#

which is this specific mob only basically

frosty mango
#

yea ive used it too but you can see its literally covering half the nameplates on this pull

#

you could easily move them a slight amount and free up a lot more real estate

lusty grotto
#

let me see

#

shrug

frosty mango
lusty grotto
#

thats just him not looking at where hes supposed to

#

i dont like ultrawides

#

and i def dont have one

#

so its even more pressed

sharp merlin
#

😄 haha I love my ultrawide

frosty mango
#

just play in 4k

lusty grotto
#

thats just a not looking at the right thing issue

frosty mango
#

lots of free real estate

lusty grotto
#

sure

#

but fuck UW

kind urchin
#

I play on UW

lusty grotto
#

a lot of people do 🙂

frosty mango
#

a lot of people also don't

#

those are the facts

lusty grotto
#

i just dont like them

#

thats it

#

lol

sharp merlin
#

Majority of the time, the nameplates are right where I need them to be

#

the info I need, is in my eyeline of where I need it to be

lusty grotto
#

yeah but

#

youre not actually paying attention to it

frosty mango
#

what goes here

image.png
#

in this giant ass empty space

sharp merlin
#

Nothing, because I don't want to look down there

#

I want my focus in the middle of the action

frosty mango
#

do you need to look at your party frame

lusty grotto
#

why are your bars showing

frosty mango
#

or your action bars

sharp merlin
#

No reason

lusty grotto
#

naowh default hides bars

#

except for bar 1

sharp merlin
#

its normally mouseover

lusty grotto
#

this is how it should look like

frosty mango
#

i put my party frames down there and just track their cds separately

#

i have interrupts in a similar place

#

actually your UI is very similar to mine sans that big ugly party frame

sharp merlin
#

but here's the thing about UI's, if it works for you, why would you change it?

lusty grotto
frosty mango
#

"my rotation works for me, why change it?"
presses slam and whirlwind

lusty grotto
#

so why are the bars showing on yours?

#

do you have a need to look at them?

sharp merlin
#

Nope

#

Like I said, it's normally hidden

lusty grotto
#

uhh

sharp merlin
#

I changed a keybind or two recently and forgot to hide them

lusty grotto
#

wait

#

you have a weird mix of

#

UIs

#

cause those are naowh party frames

#

but the rest aint

sharp merlin
#

Indeed, I made my own UI based on many UIs

frosty mango
#

my UI is the same as poms except the map is in the bottom right and I put party frames at the bottom when im tanking

lusty grotto
#

i see

sharp merlin
#

I took the best of many world's and combined them, in a way where my eye level is where it needs to be

lusty grotto
#

yes but

#

again

#

youre not paying attention

#

to what you should be

#

like jakey said you had 2 TBs saved

#

but youre focusing on revenge?

#

the architect isnt immune btw Roid

#

you can jump and troar

#

and also execute cleave hits it

frosty mango
lusty grotto
#

right

sharp merlin
#

I had 2TBs, saved for 2 seconds, yes correct

#

that was a misplay

lusty grotto
#

but that doesnt mean you shouldnt apply bleeds

sharp merlin
#

not a UI issue

frosty mango
#

yeah but youre gonna do that regardless

lusty grotto
#

dynamic buffs

frosty mango
#

you still gotta send on it when the scaffold dies

frosty mango
#

so im convinced UIs are just smoke and mirrors

#

lol

lusty grotto
#

yeah thats my point

sharp merlin
#

Oh 100%, a UI isn't gonna have me in the MDI, I'm nowhere near that level

#

and I'd be concerned for my health if I was

cerulean tusk
#

UI works as long as it gives you as a user the information you want/need

Just create your own, then chill

plush tendon
#

i like to put details in the middle of my screen

#

so I know how much im blasting

lusty grotto
#

thats a baller move

cerulean tusk
#

I got details bottom right of my screen, hidden away, as every time I peek at it, I get ashamed

plush tendon
#

I also hide enemy nameplates

#

but I keep friendlies on

#

so I know where my friends are

sharp merlin
#

I got another example you can roast me on

#

and the surveryor

frosty mango
#

few things

#

the DH was in meta and probably focusing it

#

you also had super shitty rng there

#

you went through 5 shield slams before you got a blast proc

mighty valley
#

yeah those two mobs are dropping really fast, being prio'd for some reason

frosty mango
#

but you also could have revenged here

#

to try to fish slam reset

#

as soon as the video starts you send a slam then a clap and you get no procs

#

i cant tell what you push there but it isnt revenge and it should be

mighty valley
#

oh yeah crazy, you just kinda skip 2-3 globals

#

revenge even has a free proc lol

unreal yarrow
#

Sounds like he needs a weak aura to help with revenge

empty saddle
#

New to prot warrior, and sorry if this is an obvious or common question but I couldn't find anything in either icy veins or wowhead guides that gave a clear answer..

When do we use Shield Block, on CD? If so, are there any exceptions to this

mighty valley
#

just a sticky note on the screen that says PRESS BUTTONS

sharp merlin
frosty mango
#

you can stack it up to 3x its duration, so you have a lot of wiggle

mighty valley
frosty mango
#

but the goal is to keep it up

frosty mango
sharp merlin
#

Push talents, I’m not good enough yet

frosty mango
#

yeah so just sending the revenge

#

its kind of nuanced because of how the warrior feedback loop works with tier

#

but failing to capitalize on shield slam resets (either driving them or using them) just slowly cascades you into lower damage and thus threat

lusty grotto
#

push talents arent really gonna save you, save for BSV

#

if anything

sharp merlin
#

Really?

#

Hmm.. I might try it

#

You son of a bitch, I’m in

mighty valley
#

they save you from having to think about execute lol

lusty grotto
#

alacrity is for SB due to haste, and bloodsurge is for rage gain so you have more to IP

mighty valley
#

but yeah, bsv is the only sizeable defensive gain

sharp merlin
#

I’ll try it out

lusty grotto
#

technically you only need BSV, if youre not at the level where you need to think about keeping stuff up or cycling rage so you get wall resets faster than usual

#

that being said

sharp merlin
#

Thanks! Really appreciate the roasts, it helps me improve

mighty valley
#

then next time someone inexplicably bursts down a random mob, you'll have a fat execute to regain threat

lusty grotto
#

you can still run that build if youre comfy with it

#

im just clarifying that it shouldn't be overvalued

frosty mango
#

push build is also not -that- much less dps than execute

#

ive done over 6m overalls with both

sharp merlin
#

But roid, you’re an absolute unit

frosty mango
#

its four buttons

#

just press them faster

#

and most of my keys are like 5m

#

so im only a partial unit

#

all fridge no freezer

lusty grotto
#

im honestly running alacrity/bsv/SD/execleave

frosty mango
#

I play push build and swap bsv for massacre except for dawnbreaker

lusty grotto
#

just for shits and giggles

frosty mango
#

dawnbreaker v scary

empty saddle
#

So, the uptime of shield block is the import thing to watch, ignore pain is just a rage dump?

lusty grotto
#

<@&257983573498265600>

lusty grotto
frosty mango
#

nooooo

idle needle
frosty mango
#

i got the codes tho

#

big fan of the king of the hill ai artwork

mighty valley
#

i missed king of the hill ai artwork??

#

i would've given my bank account to have that

restive jackal
#

Hello, shield from vault crit mastery or keep myne shield crafted crit haste and get the 6 tokens = a socket ?

image.png image.png
lusty grotto
#

myth shield always

dusky canopy
#

PAWN!!

indigo hawk
restive jackal
#

can u have a good argument why to pick myth shield? because i simt it at max and compare them without embelish or crafted one and is bad

lusty grotto
#

ilvl means more block value

#

which you cant get anywhere else

#

it has more strength

#

and it has more armor

#

and it has more stamina

restive jackal
lusty grotto
#

you cant sim Shield upgrades

#

you always go ilvl > all

#

the secondaries are not important

jagged pier
#

wellu can u put the emblishment on something else

lusty grotto
#

yeah on belt

#

and bracers

#

like our guides tell you to do

indigo hawk
restive jackal
#

So I go for shield 100% and put embelish or bracer or waist ?

lusty grotto
#

bracer AND waist

#

did you read the guides?

restive jackal
#

aa no

#

where?

lusty grotto
#

wowhead and icyveins

sharp gale
restive jackal
#

I have 1 embel on weapon and 2nd on shield

lusty grotto
#

remove the embelish from weapon

#

we dont run those

dusky canopy
sharp gale
#

D'accord.

frosty mango
#

omlette du fromage

dusky canopy
#

Frappe mortelle!!

frosty mango
dusky canopy
restive jackal
#

So is better to go with 2 embelish with 2 crit or versa then ascendance ?

sharp gale
#

Tempête de lames

undone beacon
#

le ouef

lusty grotto
#

and you put whichever of the two sims best

dusky canopy
#

No you sim!

#

Nim loves it when you DM him your /simc text so that he can find all your upgrades for you while he’s supposed to be working

lusty grotto
#

as a matter of fact, i do sim

#

no, DMs from Skyhold are auto declined

chilly brook
#

I'll make sure to send my next vault sim string to Nim so he can decide for me

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

i swear if i get one single DM

#

im gonna find you both

#

and put legos underneath your bed

dusky canopy
chilly brook
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
#

MAC BOOK DETECTED

indigo hawk
chilly brook
dusky canopy
#

Maybe so I actually have no idea I’ve never owned or read much of anything about Mac really

chilly brook
#

speaking of, I need to see what kinda deal I can get for the new iphone

#

I think waiting 5 generations is long enough before upgrading lmao

sharp gale
dusky canopy
#

This, guy, is, the, coolest, French, person, I, know

indigo hawk
sharp gale
#
  • they have stupid rules about adjectives place, sometime it can make it weird
indigo hawk
#

And the auto corrector is really not kind with us sadge

sharp gale
indigo hawk
#

Everybody should talk French, much easier gladge

sharp gale
#

this one is really annoying auto correct

indigo hawk
#

Mine put some random Maj on some random word

frosty mango
dusky canopy
#

Bro is that the declaration!?

frosty mango
#

Nah that’s my sim string

#

-# for every character I’ve ever created

lusty grotto
dusky canopy
#

I made it into all raid nights two weeks in a row! Think they like me Nim 🤞

#

Even asked if I have friends searching

frosty mango
dusky canopy
#

I mean yes and no, non HoF CE guild

frosty mango
#

Can I raid for like the first 4 weeks and then never show up again

dusky canopy
#

I have no idea haha not like anybody can stop ya!

charred ivy
#

is soleah good for us?

coarse bay
#

It’s decent and simmable

#

Hard to go wrong with a 100% uptime stat stick

charred ivy
#

i used signet of priory. soleah sim better tho

undone beacon
#

Sims are accurate

nocturne spindle
#

Soleah basically = pacemaker assuming you can get a crit friend

#

||its technically better accounting for the itty bitty stat you give dps but everyone here hates that opinion||

frosty mango
#

Soleah is just free stats

#

Can’t possibly be bad

#

Maybe not Bis but definitely an excellence baseline trinket

undone beacon
coarse bay
#

Technically signet helps other signet users too 🙂

nocturne spindle
undone beacon
#

good

#

up to interpretation

mint sand
#

Eco has to be one of the hardest tank dungeons, between phaseblades, creepers, and sentinels I'm always fightin for my life

#

Just got my 17 timed, nervous about 18

frosty mango
#

I find it the easiest

#

You know you can just walk out of the sentinel slash right?

mint sand
#

Yea I do that if I have nothing

frosty mango
#

Or just do it every time

#

And use your wall on other stuff

mint sand
#

If I have enough I usually stand in it, so my dps can stay on mobs

#

But yea maybe I have to run out every time

frosty mango
#

Phaseblades wont go behind you if you’re against a wall

#

Also makes it easier

mint sand
#

Mm good idea

#

What do you have it timed on?

frosty mango
#

17

#

15 on the war

tardy sequoia
#

when was battle shout cooldown removed? ò_ò

frosty mango
#

But tanking a 15 or a 17 is functionally the same, if you’re gonna eat the slashes you can park yourself on a wall and prevent phases from going behind you

lusty grotto
#

this season's patch

#

so 11.2

tribal wharf
mint sand
#

How do you all track tank busters? I've been adding sound queues in bigwigs but thats the extent of it

jagged pier
#

honestly just muscle memory

#

bosses dont change and u taunt always at the same time/mechanic

lusty grotto
#

its just natty bigwigs

mint sand
#

Mostly for adds, bosses are easier

lusty grotto
#

and littlewigs

zealous dagger
#

Yo hello everyone, i have one qustion, idk what to use as second trinket, first and i have Brand, but as second trinket should i use Hero Pacemaker or mythic Ara kara sacbroo?

lusty grotto
#

whichever sims better

zealous dagger
#

Shit, then i need to learn how to sim 😄

lusty grotto
#

and then swap these values in raidbots depending on content type:

Single target: 1 Target Patchwerk 3 mins (5 mins also works)

AOE/Keys: 5 Target Patchwerks 1:30 mins

Use 5 mins only for Brand related sims

dusky canopy
#

I’ll swap ure values!!

lusty grotto
zealous dagger
#

Sooo?

#

Brand not good? 😄

heavy sparrow
#

Looks good

indigo hawk
#

What we think about Yoda siming 1 target 8 minutes for m+ ?

heavy sparrow
#

Who's Yoda?

dusky canopy
#

Yoda deez

strong forum
#

This is yoda

heavy sparrow
#

Ahh kk I thought so

zealous dagger
strong forum
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Pacemaker

zealous dagger
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Or should i use longer sim fight?

strong forum
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Consistently good, egg is pure rng

zealous dagger
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ok

heavy sparrow
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Pacemaker 717ilvl is pretty good. It's outsimming my 723 signet now

zealous dagger
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Yeah i was thinking that pacemaker could be better, but ara kara is bigger ilvl soo you know

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Anyways, thank you for help gentleman 🙂

lusty grotto
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oh i thought you werent gonna sim brand

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it is what it is

zealous dagger
lusty grotto
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i edited a brand note in, just in case someone links to that

zealous dagger
lusty grotto
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there you go

zealous dagger
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Ty 🙂

safe jolt
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Looks like the apex talents have been data mined. Am I alone in thinking they are... ehh?

lusty grotto
jagged pier
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they always were gunna be

safe jolt
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K sorry

neon elk
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Yo guys, are graphics/video settings per char or per acc ?

warm plinth
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Account

neon elk
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Damn then, having some weird visual issues on remix that i dont have on retail and cant realy rule out whats causing it

coarse bay
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Remix is just laggy and buggy lol

lusty grotto
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ive had 0 issues

coarse bay
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I havent had any visual problems either but it wouldnt surprise me

heavy sparrow
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Remix is 100% glued popsicles private server

lusty grotto
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no its not

neon elk
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Thing is nobody else i talk with have such issues, yet its only on remix for some reason

warm plinth
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Issues like what

shrewd grove
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I have a buddy who cannot access the Hunter class hall no matter what he does. Which is hilarious, honestly

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He's tried everything anyone can suggest, and even put in a ticket about it. No class hall.

warm plinth
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Can't access it? How so?

neon elk
# warm plinth Issues like what

On random ocasions , but always on xavius fight in EN, how there is that dark fog/mist in that boss area, i have some weird blue lines , dont have photo , but it looks like if shadows were casting bright blue light

warm plinth
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weird

neon elk
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Playing with shadow setting doesnt change thing tho, and like i said it works fine on retail on that same place

jagged grove
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Yo, working on +12/13s and was wondering if the talent impenetrable wall was better than defenders aegis for shield wall uptime?

lusty grotto
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no

jagged grove
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A guy i met in a pug recommended it to me for soulbinder myhtic and felt better so i was wondering for m+ too

jagged grove
lusty grotto
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that guy is wrong

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IW was only good before s2

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s2 nerfs made it worse

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and only in Midnight will it see play and recommendations

nocturne spindle
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||its not terrible or anything||

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||its fine tbh these guys are haters||

lusty grotto
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its objectively worse for uptime

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its not about hating

cerulean tusk
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I agree with dog

frosty mango
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You nonconformist

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gestures

frosty mango
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We have bi-partisan support

cerulean tusk
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United we stand, vote for Funky for next #off-topic president and yellow 🟡

nocturne spindle
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it is probably less uptime on any few minute long fight

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to lazy to math when the breakpoint for it being more uptime is

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probably like 8-9 minutes?

lusty grotto
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it has nothing to do with time in a fight

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at 19 cpm you have roughly a 66s wall

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vs having 2 at 60s

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-114s every minute

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if youre unlucky with SS procs, and/or arent at 19 cpm, which is something a LOT of people struggle with... its even worse

nocturne spindle
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your saying 66s between walls???

lusty grotto
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on average thats the cd of wall with it with 19cpm

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im not counting AM because it factors into both