#protection
frosty mango
they include the miss sims
chaotic nethergate big gaming
for aoe
imo pacemaker just an all around better choice than antenna which drops a lot when you sim it realistically
lofty warren
Always better to get the better 5 target trinket for m+ instead of st? Guess rhere aren't anymore "tryanical weeks" but just checking
frosty mango
depends on your comp and needs
I generally play brand + pace or brand + tome
but for most keys I will play brand and tome
because aoe damage is really not lacking
bosses is where you get held up
lofty warren
For pug comp
grizzled nova
stone idol is my mvp trinket for the season
no conditions, main stat, fat on use damage, fat on use secondary proc
it's good at everything
coarse bay
Its just hard to make use of it midpull sometimes
Using it at the start/gather is easier
grizzled nova
use it after everything is grouped
smash everything for 3 million damage seems good
coarse bay
Well ya, but you can fall over in that 1 second in higher keys if not played right
grizzled nova
It's like a 0.5s channel with haste, and I'm pretty sure it's still block whitelisted?
coarse bay
I just use tome or pace instead, less headache
grizzled nova
Tome is giga useless in m+
coarse bay
You cant block during channel
There are lots of useless trinkets, wouldn’t categorize tome as that tho
frosty mango
Its just hard to make use of it midpull sometimes
Unlikely you die
Any pull you’re using it you are also walling
lusty grotto
Tome is giga useless in m+
you need to stop saying that
say it all you want in Hammer of Wrath but not here
but also we've had trinkets with unblockable cast times
beacon, grieftorch
and they were 2s instead of 1s
1s is no probs
you still wont run it when pushing
coarse bay
I think i just hate the channel more than anything 😄
lusty grotto
so the entire conversation is kind of irrelevant
grizzled nova
you need to stop saying that
Sorry I'll be more politic about it
In a list of all the trinkets that are available, and the ones that you might want to intentionally use in m+, tome is very far down the list
dusky canopy
Something something doom
tribal wharf
doom is boring get some fps culture man
its like a steak
is always very good
comes in many shapes all that, but it raarely tastes differently
demons, shot gun, rocketlauncher, bfg..... armor.... zzzttt im falling asleep
proud nimbus
cant really complain about repetative content when this game is just smashing your face in m+
same 8 dungeons for 6 months
lusty grotto
lol
imagine
imagine saying that
while hot on the heels of the same 8 - 10 dungeons for an ENTIRE expansion
only 2.25 expansions ago!
solid sun
How long until, "Every week should have a new dungeon pool to push keys."
undone beacon
maw of souls this week lads cancel date night
make your wife hold in the baby for one more week its push week
solid sun
"It's push week. No, not that push week!"
south zealot
tribal wharf
that guy was pretty annoying in that video
lofty warren
.
tribal wharf
err it was the other recent video there was interview and the guy was super annoying lol
lofty warren
whoops wrong disc 🦞
grizzled nova
guys
it's literally like 6th
in a list of very easy to acquire trinkets
about to be literally purchaseable from a vendor trinkets
tome is an objectively bad choice for m+
telling people otherwise is misinformation
solid sun
It's gotta be at least in the top 3 or 4
Brand, Pace, Antenna, Tome
And if memory serves those are the four that are all ranked "s tier" in the wowhead guide
idk where this 6th is coming from. I do recognize we're talking about specifically m+ and not both raid and m+ but what's the other trinket you're rating ahead of it? Idol?
lusty grotto
well lets just add idol and mud because they are situationally good
grizzled nova
Brand, Idol, Antenna, Seaforium, shit I'd take soleahs before tome.
Idol is situational but tome isn't in m+?
THat's an actual joke.
lusty grotto
you keep putting idol there but
lusty grotto
yes its situational
just like you can run a tome for Prio/ST, you can run an idol for mass aoe
thats literally the definition of "situational"
round pendant
I feel like people don't appreciate prio damage
lusty grotto
its cause we have so many funnel classes
solid sun
I love me some good prio
shrewd grove
Fucking love prio damage specs
solid sun
Have y'all seen this phone commercial where everyone except the one person rocking a Google phone is holding soft serve ice cream cones
It doesn't make me want their phone at all. But it does make me want a dadgum ice cream cone, though
lusty grotto
ive rocked pixels/nexus since
pretty much forever
its been the only smartphone i buy
if thats what you mean by google phones
solid sun
Yeah I think it’s a google pixel 10 they’re advertising?
jagged gust
last 2 pixels i owned got wayyyy too hot
lusty grotto
the early ones had an issue like that but
ive had problems with overheating
after the cpu change they did with their inhouse thing
it only gets hot if im tethering
round pendant
I only use my phone to browse reddit in bed and talk to my buds on discord
it's like 7 years old at this point
frosty mango
its been the only smartphone i buy
Yall need to get on the true American path
You just take what’s free
iPhone, pixel, watch
Who cares if it’s got buttons and internet
lusty grotto
sure
i just like unlocked phones
in case i wanna swap carriers
and the pixels and nexus are easy to get unlocked via google
warm plinth
I don't know of a carrier that doesn't just have an unlock option on their website these days
lusty grotto
they do but sometimes the phones they get are some weird versions that have problems swapping
gentle violet
@solid sun @lusty grotto This isn’t top 6 but I do find it underrated which is the all-devouring nucleus. (Cheat death trinket) Specifically for very high keys. Nice to be a little extra sturdy and It does 3-4% of my damage every key. I have timed big keys while having cheated death. Obviously this is from Dimensius so most people will only have Heroic but it’s really not too bad.
frosty mango
I see nucleus having use in bleeding edge keys
Or in anything above a 12 if you’re a bdk
warm plinth
Or in anything above a 12 if you’re a bdk
Like you said, bleeding edge keys
frosty mango
Like you said, bleeding edge keys
round pendant
they need to fix bdk tbh
warm plinth
I think they're the only tank left (as of Midnight) that still has a target cap on their primary aoe spell
sinful copper
chat is this shield block uptime good
fair sonnet
No, obviously you want less so you generate more rage from damage taken
indigo hawk
Why use shield block when you already have a shield in your hand ?
heavy sparrow
Why use shield block when you already have a shield in your hand ?
Christ so true
sick sentinel
Is prot warrior a good tank for a first tank?
paper stump
Is prot warrior a good tank for a first tank?
You gonna love it.
indigo hawk
But I think for first tank he is great, the rotation is easy and you almost fell invinsible in low key
sick sentinel
Thank you ^^ That is great, I wanted to pick a tank so that I can maybe start tanking for some people I run with because we're always searching for a tank xD
elfin elk
Or in anything above a 12 if you’re a bdk
Except I'm pretty sure the interaction of that trinket with purgatory is so cringe it's not worth using 
shadow basalt
How do people handle the push (Protocol Purge) on Mythic Plexus Sentinel when it goes off directly after Obliteration Arcanocannon? As a protection warrior if I use heroic jump to place it in one of the far back corners, then I am not in range afterwards to charge the boss (where it was tanked in a PuG I attended (in the "top" right corner)) Or is the main problem that the boss should be tanked so that it is in range for charge afterwards?
In a non-PuG setting it would be easier to coordinate some external movement ability, but it is harder to coordinate in PuGs (even when communicated).
When playing VDH or BDK, this is trivial, since they have more movement options.
shadow basalt
Thanks for the quick answer Jakey! 👍
true shuttle
Heya for any Remixers, what kinda stats are bis? like whats the cap of haste you should get
true shuttle
im at 80% crit, 64% haste, and 140% mast. Im thinkin i should stack some more mast, but not sure
why is haste good in the first place? would 64% more than cover that need and not benefit from more?
hardy snow
How do people handle the push (Protocol Purge) on Mythic Plexus Sentinel when it...
you can also use your back for movement, there is quite of time until the wall comes, in general back can be used through out the fight for additional movement, just remember it have CD, so it must be ready when wall comes
jagged pier
its good in the context of retail
in lemix is doesnt matter as much as everything dies in 30 seconds
true shuttle
Yea tru, im tryna optimize so i can help out guildies get the 30 key achievement. I managed to do it for a group already but it wasnt as easy as i'd like. Bosses still take a while
Just farmin out vers now tho, gear comes anyway tryna make the best choice
hardy snow
Yea tru, im tryna optimize so i can help out guildies get the 30 key achievement...
there is no need to "optimize", just grind more gear and infinite power
paper stump
How do people handle the push (Protocol Purge) on Mythic Plexus Sentinel when it...
I asked this before and got many ideas, but the one I liked and used in pugs is i leap and move as far. Now you got 2 options (Intervene) someone near you if any or just use your Special Cloak Ability and get out of that debuff. In that case you wont miss a lot of your damage and you can come back quickly. Regarding the wall, just use defensives I mean it wont even hurt you.
ocean smelt
Yeah I just come back with cloak, usually you can time it so that either there is no wall coming for a while or if there is a wall you can use the cloak to get out of both the poo effect and the wall in the same cast
And worst case scenario if you fail the wall is likely not gonna kill you 🤣
spice anchor
can you spell reflect gloom bite from the creepers in eco dome?
warm plinth
can you spell reflect gloom bite from the creepers in eco dome?
No, but you can just step back
spice anchor
No, but you can just step back
yeah was just looking for more damage wasnt sure sicne it was shadow
proven mantle
just pop and tank it like a man, if u got no demo/sr/wall then step back
dusky canopy
jagged pier
toxic pewter
solid sun
sick parcel
warm plinth
jagged pier
dusky canopy
😂
keen star
it is a haste stat stick
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto splain yourself!!
#protection message
keen star
and if u communicate with the healer it can have non-zero value
undone beacon
its gonna be a quiet vault day since no vaults in lemix smh
Also once again I do 1 key on my surv hunter and get bis in vault
the universe wants me on surv
@lusty grotto bear vault, socket week
echo egret
Open for review : I want to do more damage.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tzYLCrfa1dA8FxJh?fight=last
dull olive
Is brew the only tank that can solo conquer on mythic nexus king ?
mighty valley
Open for review : I want to do more damage.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...
Some weird talent choices, you gotta take Unstoppable Force as Thane
And with 32k haste you can definitely switch to Into The Fray... also sim your gear, you'll get more out of other stats
dusky canopy
Is brew the only tank that can solo conquer on mythic nexus king ?
Yeah I’m just that good
mighty valley
Heavy Handed will do more for you than Best Served Cold, especially since you've taken the other execute talents
jagged pier
Is brew the only tank that can solo conquer on mythic nexus king ?
no any tank can
shrewd grove
And with 32k haste you can definitely switch to Into The Fray... also sim your g...
Fun fact. 32k haste is actually fully haste capped .75s GCD lol
Man is playing with lust active 24/7. His poor wrists
jagged pier
your loosing damage in other places running that much haste
shrewd grove
Oh absolutely. I'm sure his stat weights look insane on a sim
echo egret
In fact, the last simming I did was suggesting an itme with less haste
mighty valley
yep, you're def overkilling on haste, the sim is correct
jagged pier
i dont know how but u have the same blocked hits i do
and i have 21k haste and run ITF
u should be at like 98%+
frosty mango
are either of these trinkets not poop for fury
cerulean tusk
Prism could be fun, to try to do silly things with
stone moat
Surely poop for fury tho right
frosty mango
i have mythic arcanocore and a sacbrood/soleahs
solid sun
I forgot to run keys because I played remix all week
frosty mango
im tempted to take the araz to do silly avatar things
stone moat
In raid it’s prob useable to cheese damage amps I guess
Didn’t think fury was in the burst department rn
jagged pier
just take a trinket for upgrade tracks
echo egret
u should be at like 98%+
do I hear "you're being hit in the back or you're letting shield block go down"
jagged pier
both
i didnt really look into it
but with 32k haste and HR u should be close too 100%
frosty mango
just take a trinket for upgrade tracks
Yea that’s what I did
harsh pulsar
LF someone who can help me understand prot warrior and its rotation better in keys/raid. Just shoot me a DM, thanks.
pulsar epoch
guys can we roll normal to astral antenna while we choose prot loot ?
or we roll as offspec
coarse bay
guys can we roll normal to astral antenna while we choose prot loot ?
I believe it’s considered offspec if you roll as prot
errant wagon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QQb3ERj5z7vY8rDshcusf
Is there a reason why Mastery is simming so well for DPS for me?
of all my rings same ilvl, it's saying signet (Mastery++/Haste) is the best dps wise even though i have lots of crit/haste rings.
this puts me at like 14k mastery which seems like a ton relative to what everyone else runs.
Does mastery just sim weird? lol
frosty mango
your stats are relative to your gear
as your stats increase and approach DR breakpoints, the relative value of the other stats increase
so if you have 12 mastery and 50000 crit, then a sim would likely tell you to drop crit
hollow vapor
What stat cutoffs are we looking for as prot? Iv been heavy into haste/vers with some haste crit crafts. Curious if we have a goal stat weight we want for any reason. Working through +18s trying to optimize
errant wagon
so if you have 12 mastery and 50000 crit, then a sim would likely tell you to dr...
totally understood, thing is i'm at like 18k haste, 13k crit, 14k mastery if I do as the sim says
which just feels off, like no big breakpoints there
frosty mango
a sim is going to tell you to drop haste because haste will be less dps
but you need to keep haste for sb
errant wagon
roger roger
frosty mango
i believe raidbots removed the stat weight filter
there used to be advanced filter to let you set a stat at a min value
mighty valley
guys can we roll normal to astral antenna while we choose prot loot ?
yes, it's on the prot loot table
errant wagon
So if I were to play ignorant and just not care about shield block uptime, we do sim nicely for damage with heavy mastery it seems tho?
frosty mango
this is also a 6 target 90s sim so its going to value crit/mastery
frosty mango
So if I were to play ignorant and just not care about shield block uptime, we do...
yes and no, youd lose considerable amounts of st damage if shield block uptime dipped
errant wagon
ah, very good point
frosty mango
safest bet is sim ST patchwerk, maintain a reasonable amount of haste (21-26k ish) and then gear towards the sim
errant wagon
Thank ya much!
frosty mango
if you absolutely want to do gross aoe dps yes what it says is "technically" best but
you will find you do far less overall when youre dying because shield block fell off
grizzled nova
this puts me at like 14k mastery which seems like a ton relative to what everyon...
Because
100 x 1.5 x 1.1 = 165
100 x 1.3 x 1.3 = 169
Mathematically, spreading all your fixed secondary points as evenly as possible among a fixed number of multipliers produces the largest outcome.
errant wagon
are you saying the math math's out???
mighty valley
i think we all need to follow ghash's lead and rename ourselves Mastery Is Not A Bad Stat until the belief subsides
errant wagon
i think we all need to follow ghash's lead and rename ourselves Mastery Is Not A...
I'm always so skeptical of stat weights, I just was looking at Archons "high key" filter and looking at the stat break down. These guys have virtually 0 mastery: https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/protection/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/high-keys/all-dungeons/this-week
errant wagon
it's just statistics of the player though so it's not really subjective
not saying I agree with it either but can't argue stats
mighty valley
it's an objective look at subjective behavior lol
errant wagon
yaya
solid sun
^
errant wagon
haha
solid sun
Andy changed his build and streamed something different than what archon showed
Talked it up
And then his viewers changed to his new build
And it spread
Changing archon
Just to prove how easily it’s influenced
errant wagon
i personally have been just stacking vers and not really caring and I just hit my resil 18's yesterday with like 15k vers 10k mastery
just been blindly following sim damage lol
grizzled nova
just been blindly following sim damage lol
Which is the right answer
Haste until you have 100% uptime with itf, then everything else literally doesn't matter whatever the highest ilvl is
The rest of secondaries will change how you deal damage and survive and how it feels to play the spec precisely 0
errant wagon
do we know what the exact haste % is for 100% uptime with itf?
cus I definitely do not have 100%
but just been filling the void with cc / shield wall etc lol
mighty valley
it's impractical to get literal 100% uptime with ITF, it's just about making the gaps line up with traveling or nonscary situations
coarse bay
Afaik archon, murlok, and the other info sites take the gear etc that the player last logged off with. Not necessarily what theyre doing that content with
errant wagon
Gotcha harrow
mighty valley
people throw around 26k as a decent point to hover around
don't know how scientific that is
grizzled nova
people throw around 26k as a decent point to hover around
26400 haste is the end of the first haste dr
mighty valley
yeah makes sense
quiet jetty
how is warpclaw simming better than pacemaker? It's barely better, but I'm still very surprised it's even that close.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8CPS8T6MUJm81Sq2Y7m8n5
grizzled nova
how is warpclaw simming better than pacemaker? It's barely better, but I'm still...
If you already have a shitton of crit then it's gonna get dr'd and you're adding to your largest multiplier which means it represents a smaller partial percentage benefit
If you regeared to high(er) mastery/vers and then use all the crit proc trinkets you'll be doing more damage/get more value out of the trinkets
frosty mango
As long as you have enough haste
It doesn’t matter
The difference is largely negligible
Yes you can sim if you wanna min max but if you have 20000 vers and 5k crit or 20000 crit and 5k vers you’re really not gonna see a major difference over the long term
You will see a far greater return putting effort into your play
grizzled nova
I just mean the 20k verse/5k crit is gonna sim higher with crit proc trinkets everytime, just cause of partial percentages, but yeah your actual performance is gonna be governed much more on correct play/static strike rngesus blessings
lofty warren
https://www.wowhead.com/news/bolstering-is-back-legion-remix-mythic-affixes-378871
Bolstering is not allowed in wow anymore I thought
dry skiff
does battle stance have any noticable difference in raid ?
frosty mango
does battle stance have any noticable difference in raid ?
Nuanced answer
But at the very top end - yes
For most people - no
Battle stance is effectively adding 3% rng to your dps capability
dry skiff
i'll take it
frosty mango
What I generally say is
If you’re not dying there’s no reason not to run it
But for keys just stay in d stance
That’s my opinion
jagged pier
U can run it up to demon hunters
After that d stance
In mythic anyway before that do what u want
frosty mango
After that d stance
Ngl I tanked frac in battle stance because I forgot to change lol
jagged pier
Frac is before hunters
frosty mango
I play d stance bc im always scared the other tank gets out of range and I get clapped
jagged pier
Did u prog hunters first or fract?
dry skiff
how big of a damage are the orbs at dimensius p2 ? i cant find them and it's the only boss that i cant seem to deal good damage
frosty mango
I think it’s 5% per orb? It’s not small
grizzled nova
Orbs don't count for your damage either way
dry skiff
i could see some purple orbs from far but they were gone when i reached them
is it first come first served ?
grizzled nova
Yes, but again, wcl won't assign that damage to you
dry skiff
Orbs don't count for your damage either way
in log you mean ?
grizzled nova
Yeah, using an orb won't get you a better parse
Well, it might insofar as the boss goes faster
But the orb itself doesnt
dry skiff
hmmmm i'll try again. overaggroed last phase with no ignore pain and shield block and i had 30%. will try again to do better
boss slapped the shit outta me
grizzled nova
hmmmm i'll try again. overaggroed last phase with no ignore pain and shield bloc...
Even if you're not actively tanking you should always have shield block up, it makes your shield slam do 30% more damage
dry skiff
Even if you're not actively tanking you should always have shield block up, it m...
i thought it was only when you get melee
that one's easy to fix thank you 😛
aa i didnt see the . in the description
icy haven
i cant remember last season, does dinar have raid rings and armor too?
or is it just wep + trink from raid
lofty warren
Did all 8 m+ dungeons i better get mythic shield
lone hemlock
Hey. What's the mechanic behind the "War machine" talent in M+ content ? do you have to actually get the killing blow, or just dmg a mob right before its death ?
as in "take part in a kill"
coarse bay
i cant remember last season, does dinar have raid rings and armor too?
It had cantrip items, and should this season as well as far as we know. It didnt have regular rings and weapons
lofty warren
Kb I believe
orchid narwhal
But for keys just stay in d stance
the only caveat to this
i think
is hit bstance on boss fights
if the boss doesnt have a tankbuster
which is a lot of them
stray mason
Is prot warrior the highest apm tank?
lofty warren
Brew probavky
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html actually those shows guardian has highest apm
mellow bridge
yes pepega, im sure the fixed gcd class that runs out of its resource is the highest apm
coarse bay
😂
frosty mango
if the boss doesnt have a tankbuster
fair, but I think most of us have 1 brain cell and would forget to go back to d stance
frosty mango
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html actually those shows guar...
only because of ironfur
which i dont count
coarse bay
Id also say its boosted up because of incarn windows, its a bit slower outside of it
frosty mango
well ironfur much like ip is off global, but unlike ip druids can just hammer it with no brain
lofty warren
yes pepega, im sure the fixed gcd class that runs out of its resource is the hig...
Who is gcd fixed class? Brew?
mellow bridge
yes
lofty warren
But aren't their brews (their ignore pain) off gcd? Maybe its not the high apm that brew has but the million different buttons that's the issue
coarse bay
But aren't their brews (their ignore pain) off gcd? Maybe its not the high apm t...
Youre not hitting them nearly as much as other tank’s active mitigations, they do have a lot of buttons though
lofty warren
Why ppal such high apm? They only have paladin ignore pain
coarse bay
Just high haste and sotr being off gcd
orchid narwhal
Why ppal such high apm? They only have paladin ignore pain
just a very spammy class
lusty grotto
pepega just farming pepegas
lofty warren
Feel like with pwar I'm constantly pushing shield block, ip, and avatar plus normal gcd abilities so that's why I thought pwar would be higher
nocturne spindle
lusty grotto
and he keeps farming pepegas!
stoic lion
What do i take here? Only did one +10 last week. Myth trinket gives me 50k dps but idk if its better to take socket for the long run
lusty grotto
do you have a myth trinket
stoic lion
No
stoic lion
Fair point
lament osprey
How does one get mythic ring in vault 
lusty grotto
i just wouldnt pass up a free myth track
lusty grotto
How does one get mythic ring in vault <:sadge:820202363359854633>
like this
except no bueno cause i needed myth gloves
plate and trinkets are banned from dropping to us by John Blizzard
dusky canopy
Sick ring
lusty grotto
ive been simming constantly
dusky canopy
Turbo next week you’ll replace it surely
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/tigger-sad-bye-leaving-gif-12259711
are you the GM of smoothbrains?
by any chance
lament osprey
Jes
lusty grotto
have you been looking for diznots
lofty warren
are you the GM of smoothbrains?
lament osprey
have you been looking for diznots
That is our priest, not doing well
lusty grotto
yeah hes an RL friend
dusky canopy
lament osprey
He doing better?
lusty grotto
hes been MIA
lament osprey
Understandable
lusty grotto
anyone that reads that entire exchange will think we're memeing each other
lament osprey
Very true
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> bear vault, socket week
seen
let me see what i get on the alt
not bad not bad
2 myth gloves this week
dusky canopy
last useful socket this week 😄
lusty grotto
all ive wanted for the last 2-3 weeks is an arcanocore
we've had 0
nada
zilch
dusky canopy
thats not real
undone beacon
arcanocore? in this house we arcanocrystal
@frosty mango
tardy sequoia
where is everyone? there's noone to get in keys / i can get in no keys
legion remix's fault?
xD
tardy sequoia
remix + bf6
i'm eu ç_ç
lusty grotto
eu also gets those two
gritty relic
Need help.
I have hero track gloves.
Myth soulbinder neck
And I have a mythic ire & mythic arcano core
Is this gloves route?
lusty grotto
why wouldnt it be
gritty relic
Didn't know if gambit trinket was Uber better than arcano core
lusty grotto
that trinket isnt better than tier gloves
gritty relic
Thats what I figured but I wanted to be sure
lusty grotto
unless you regularly clear soulbinder
and have prio on gloves
wait until raid honestly
if you get gloves from soulbindy, you can pick between neck and soleah's
gritty relic
With dinars next week ill probably just grab an antenna and call it good
lusty grotto
sure but the neck is pretty fucking good
round pendant
I guess we're not getting a triple threat chieve this season huh
frosty mango
<:monkahmm:1382590600439664751> <@228540157333078016>
I thought this only happened when you died lol
frosty mango
I’m playing brewmaster in delves I don’t think I could die if I tried
warm plinth
Never brained off and got killed by the nemesis lady or something?
It could be from any point in the season as far as I know too
mortal cypress
I’m playing brewmaster in delves I don’t think I could die if I tried
Go and try, I believe in you.
frosty mango
Never brained off and got killed by the nemesis lady or something?
No she dies in like 3 seconds
Brann does like 5m dps when you’re tank
Nothing lives long enough to touch you
I literally run thru the entire delve spamming spinning crane kick and then brann volley/haterangs everything to death in 4 seconds
frosty mango
Go and try, I believe in you.
@lusty grotto what delve was it in - I ran three today for the first time in weeks
Fungal folly, talk rethan, the sinkhole
warm plinth
Roid died in a delve
dusky canopy
bro they sneak up on you some times!
frosty mango
Roid died in a delve <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
Untrue
I was very much a livelier
lofty warren
https://youtu.be/9aBEx0-x53k?si=j1do9Nw4DCBj5oTf
I found this midnight healer tier list but can't find one for tanks has anyone found a tank one? If so pls link
lusty grotto
farm still going
mighty valley
the masses hunger for content
frosty mango
lol gaming mana for the voidglass bonus is so dumb on monk
cloak and weap doing like 15% of my healing passively
60% of myhealing just overheal
coarse bay
Ill do it if im not holding boss or if i can position so that it wont shift the boss
round pendant
yeah that's what I've been doing
frosty mango
have to soak during plexus in mythic
I will soak the second one if I am not actively tanking
coarse bay
If its a pug and theyre struggling on certain soaks, ill let the boss move and get in
Pugging can be brutal sometimes with the people therr
coarse bay
Yup
Plexus pug can be one pull, or one hour
Ill usually tell within first few pulls if its worth staying. Last few weeks i just host my own though
round pendant
this kill we wiped cause the DK we took for the job of pulling an add
did not do that job
and it was in such a wack spot
coarse bay
Ya i forgot to get a dk the other week because im so used to a ton of dks being around
round pendant
I've only done soulbinder once on heroic, don't you just take to the cannisters and chill til they're broken and then move next?
coarse bay
Its doable though
coarse bay
Ya only change is the puddles you leave
So dont charge boss on knockback
Until u land and leave the puddle
lofty warren
Currently best tank is vdh and bdk
really? and i was the dummy who made the pwar. how much worse is it than the good ones?
round pendant
2nd shield phase on plexus is brutal
but ig people just aren't focusing the adds and moving quick enough
swift steppe
on logs why does it not count all my shield charge casts? it says iv used it 2 times when iv clearly used it more
round pendant
that bug's still a thing I guess
mighty valley
really? and i was the dummy who made the pwar. how much worse is it than the goo...
it’s remix who would ever care
warm plinth
on logs why does it not count all my shield charge casts? it says iv used it 2 t...
There's a bug with logs where it can only register casts of Shield Charge that were done from range (e.g. casts that actually caused you to move). You can check your Shield Charge damage events for a rough idea of your casts.
frosty mango
I've only done soulbinder once on heroic, don't you just take to the cannisters ...
Don’t need to do that on heroic
If everyone is moderately geared you can literally just stand in the middle and blow her up
Adds will pop, hit lust, nuke them, finish boss
toxic pewter
it’s remix who would ever care
Tanks are the top specs now but even in remix prot warriors aren’t being invited I was denied like 4 times today LOL the meta chasing never ends
mighty valley
just become busted and make your own group
round pendant
Don’t need to do that on heroic
yeah was talking about mythic
doesn't matter tho cause still haven't killed plexus
got it to 30% two attempts in a row and half the raid leaves
instead of just locking in
tank was griefing me the entire time too
frosty mango
Tuesday nights and Friday nights
round pendant
yea lol
frosty mango
Your best chance
round pendant
well, wednesday for me since eu
my friend got in a group without me few hours ago and got em
frosty mango
I pug it every week on 3 chars but outside of reset day and patch day it’s always a show lol
round pendant
😔
I don't have 2/8M yet so I can't get into the nice groups
doesn't really matter tho, was only doing it cause bored
oak ivy
What does the defensive rotation look like for solo soaking on saladbar myth
is it truly just "if it's not on CD send it"
lusty grotto
you SR the frontal to take 0 damage
and you wall the soak with an external
that's it
there's nothing else to it
you absolutely need an external
lusty grotto
priory
lusty grotto
thats why im the best mouse
plush tendon
we decided on floodgate
lusty grotto
i believe
graceful mason
anybody got suggestions for negating the knock on mythic dimmie
it always seems like leap just can fail if im too slow
lusty grotto
charge
graceful mason
Do you get knocked straight back?
im standing in the side and then im with all the melee
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
you get knocked away from the other tank did you not do him in heroic?
tribal wharf
thats an interesting shield design, surprised it got through like that
slender river
Hello! I'm new to prot warrior.
If I have a myth track Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker in my vault and an lfr track Astral Antenna in my bags, how would I know which is better to equip? Is there a chart I should consult?
mighty valley
Sim your character at www.raidbots.com
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear now with real link
slender river
Sim your character at www.raidbots.com
If I sim my character, doesn't that only tell me how much damage I do? How do I know if one makes me more tanky? or does that kinda not matter?
mighty valley
Damage correlates pretty strongly to survivability tbh
slender river
roger, thank you!
mighty valley
We generally just want to prioritize haste for shield block uptime and then every other decision we sim for
slender river
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear now with real link
I got a warning "Unreliable fight style!". Is that just normal for a tank?
lusty grotto
Hello! I'm new to prot warrior.
If I have a myth track **Improvised Seaforium Pa...
what track is the antenna
also link your sim
aka the results
slender river
what track is the antenna
lusty grotto
bruh
antenna vs myth track?
you dont even need a sim for that
err veteran vs myth track
we dont run Dungeon slice #1
ST: 1 target 3 min / 5 min PATCHWERK
AOE: 5 target 1:30 min PATCHWERKS
our APL is not optimized for dungeon slice
thats why youre getting that error
also vet track is like LFR dude
of course myth track will blow it away
no sim needed
jagged gust
idk antenna is pretty good compared to a lot of mythic trinkets
slender river
ST: 1 target 3 min / 5 min PATCHWERK
Lots of questions sorry
- does 3/5 min mean i need to run once on 3 min and once on 5 min, or just pick one of the two
- is myth trinket always better than non-myth trinket? or are you saying i should normally sim, but this instance was very obvious to you
lusty grotto
Lots of questions sorry
1) does 3/5 min mean i need to run once on 3 min and onc...
pick 1
for the 2nd question, have you looked at our guide?
in wowhead or icyveins?
also typically yes vet track is so far under
its FOUR tracks under
myth > hero > champ > vet
jagged gust
Yeah nim's right, I was thinking of the wrong spec when i talked earlier
lusty grotto
ilvl > (typically) all
jagged gust
there are always exceptions but that's usually a case where like, the trinket does absolutely nothing or has stamina on it
slender river
thank you for the help! if i mostly m+ should i care more about the aoe sim or the single target sim primarily? (if they differ)
jagged gust
they tend to point to the same direction but i do both and make a judgement call, usually trinkets are the only thing that changes
like if a trinket is giving a 5% dps increase in aoe but a -1% in ST, you should probably take the 5% increase
all damage is important
also personally I don't bother swapping gems/enchants, dealing with margin of error type gains at that point
orchid narwhal
anybody got suggestions for negating the knock on mythic dimmie
just have to leap faster
charge creates issues
depends on wihch knockback it is
humble relic
Is there a certain amount of crit and haste we want before we start leaning towards vers more?
warm plinth
No. You want haste to minimum 21k rating and up to your comfort level from there, and then from that point you just follow sims as long as they don't put haste below your comfort level (but certainly not below 21k)
humble relic
awesome ty trying to decide on a mythic haste vers ring tyvm
fallen marlin
Gm guys,i just wanna ask ring from last boss is it good for m+ at all ? I got myth hands and that ring on hc in my vault
dry skiff
timewalking drops spark ?
void slate
both bis shield and axe dropped. What to pick?
lusty grotto
Gm guys,i just wanna ask ring from last boss is it good for m+ at all ? I got my...
if its myth track only, otherwise nah other myth rings beat it
you should pick myth hands
lusty grotto
both bis shield and axe dropped. What to pick?
shield first
fallen marlin
Ty @lusty grotto
coarse sable
I have BiS haste/Vers Ring in vault and loomie shield- but I have 727 crafted, what is more worth to take ?
lusty grotto
shield
coarse sable
Really
lusty grotto
is your shield upgraded
coarse sable
I will lose one embelishment
coarse sable
Is 3 ilvl on shield that big ?
lusty grotto
bigger than a ring yes
the block value is way more than whatever the ring will give you in secondaries
and so is the strength and armor
mint breach
Vault question:
+10 ilvl on a shield or +20ilvl on Belt with Speed?
lusty grotto
10 ilvls on shield is huge
tertiaries arent worth considering
over a whole 10 ilvls on shield
its not even close
in fact, tertiaries like speed are not worth considering at all...
ilvl > all
mint breach
Aight ty mate
fallen marlin
Nimcip i have neck crit haste with leach but i rly wanna use one from gambit haste verse but i am not sure ia it worth to drop leach ?
mint breach
also why havent you crafted a belt
i rerolled prot late in the season so crafting shield had prio and since then crests been kinda tight
dry skiff
hmmm i might be missing something. the other tank has more thunderblast damage with less 11 less casts and 10 less hits, it was a 3 taget fight https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nF9rj6a2XtczCRPW?fight=31&type=damage-done
can someone find out why
jade valve
What the value of SH boot for us ? i mean antenna vs boot ?
lusty grotto
Nimcip i have neck crit haste with leach but i rly wanna use one from gambit has...
you use whichever sims best
leech doesnt matter
on accessories you want ilvl > all
both of those necks are good, but i prefer the streets one
just sim for the better pick
solid forge
Morning,
I got the "luck" to have weapon and shield in my vault ... considering both of mine are crafted, which one should I pick?
lusty grotto
fallen marlin
Nimp is batman for prot warriors 🤣
I never use sim as tank but i guess i need to start doing that
cursive grotto
Can choose pacemaker or legs to catalyst in vault. Currently have champ tome and hero brand. Is it more worth to take legs and just buy trinket from vendor with dinar later? I don't mythic raid
sinful copper
can i do pull 10 during intermision of last boss? is that the one they normally do?
next island
can i do pull 10 during intermision of last boss? is that the one they normally ...
Sjeles team Are doing pull 9 with BL during intermision
sinful copper
oh
next island
Yday i did 18 3 min under and played 10 during intermision
next island
Up to you, imo playing that harder pull (9) during intermision with BL is better but on 17 you will spank it anyway
dry skiff
what's the execute hitbox like ? can i hit boss behind with me Heavy Handed ?
median geyser
does anyone know / can point me in the right direction for high keys do people care about specific stats more e.g. vers/haste than just simming for max dps and if so what i need to know about what the optimal choice is? im guessing unless im finding myself struggling to live i just keep going for max dps?
but just wondering in case theres a worthwhile tradeoff for max defense with minimal dps loss
next island
You will extremely rarely brick key because your tank dmg being lower. You have high chance of bricking key if you flop
fleet flicker
but just wondering in case theres a worthwhile tradeoff for max defense with min...
Not really, even at r1 keys you just keep simming
royal rune
should i be stating haste/crit at 16/17 m+
if my haste is 41% and crit 28
mast is 28 and vers 11
royal rune
are we simming for dmg
jagged pier
surivibility comes from play and group cordination
not stats
so yes u sim for damage
royal rune
always? up to 22?
jagged pier
yep
royal rune
gotcha
indigo hawk
In fact, stat give you tankiness, and with the diminishing return of stat, siming for dmg is a bit siming for tankiness. But like they Said, you don’t Die because of stat, you Die because of miss play
sharp merlin
can i do pull 10 during intermision of last boss? is that the one they normally ...
Yes you can, but be sure dps kick, cause.. I got melted, no one CC'd and I had 2 beams. Also ensure you as the tank, kick when you land back at boss
royal rune
what embellish for my crafted belt
heavy sparrow
Boogers and hamstring curls
indigo hawk
royal rune
are people using personal space amp as another cc?
fleet flicker
No
Shares a cd with potions, so either you're cucking your damage or you can't use it
main thistle
how do you guys open up the artifact appearance window in lemix?
paper stump
how do you guys open up the artifact appearance window in lemix?
Get storyline done and go to your weapon and shift+ right or left lick on it dont remember.
main thistle
that opens up just the artifact power window..
jagged pier
my guess is in the order hall where it alwas been
main thistle
well they removed the table for remix
paper stump
They also removed the missions aswell. Just follow your storylines and complete each zone quests to gain some extra exp %.
round pendant
I quit
they just don't want me to have haste
if I take that I have to either craft a ring or swap to HR
game sucks
jagged pier
u must have 21k haste
round pendant
jagged pier
21k is enough
jagged pier
its around its never binary
cold radish
strong forum
simming for tanks is really easy
you only sim for single target for raid
for m+ you just follow the stat prio and equip the trinkets accordingly to general usefulness
fleet flicker
u must have 21k haste
How come
jagged pier
nah im just saying u have to go out of youre way not to be close to 21k haste
at this point
fleet flicker
I'm a warrior I can't spell
fleet flicker
Not even that sometimes
strong forum
disability
strong forum
fleet flicker
strong forum
warframe update in like 2hrs
jagged pier
strong forum
fleet flicker
strong forum
me when taking responibility for my life
fallen marlin
Anyone elsee have problem like me,i have 24% haste and sometimes i have problem where i dont have SB on and cd coming in 2 sec
But that is so rare and i am not sure why is that
covert atlas
is it normal to be popping shield wall on pull? i play rogue main but as prot warr in higher keys i am scared for my life until i have SB&IP up
unreal yarrow
I use it to gather whenever possible
unreal yarrow
Yep, and a chance at a backshot
covert atlas
cool, makes sense ty
strong forum
But that is so rare and i am not sure why is that
ITF stacks vary based on how many friendlies/enemies are in range
so your haste and thus SB CD also varies
fathom oasis
Anyone elsee have problem like me,i have 24% haste and sometimes i have problem ...
How much rating?
Idk if 24% is high or low
Sounds low
fathom oasis
Ok, that sounds more reasonable
You shouldnt have much of a problem maintaining shield block
Unless you are overpressing it and leaving pulls at 8+ seconds remaining
fallen marlin
Yea i guess i am doing that
toxic sierra
Does anyone know of a WeakAura that beeps something loud to let you know that the Tempered Potion is available for use?
lusty grotto
have you searched wago
its easy to make anyway
so im sure there's a fuckton of them in wago
plush tendon
If you had to put a I level value on the cantrip boots, how valuable would you say they are?
dusky canopy
plush tendon
the only cantrip boots worth it are myth track
dats sort of the question
with the dinars coming up
still rocking 704 champ track boots
like a pleb
lusty grotto
what is the question
do you have myth track cantrips?
if the answer is no
then they are NOT worth
dusky canopy
I have been debating this for quite some time now
Technically boots are the biggest immediate dps increase
dusky canopy
But I think a myth track version of the ticking sack is what I’m going to pick first
Boots can wait
plush tendon
I got pretty swag trinkets
mythic atenna, mythic pace, a hero brand
really all I need now is myth brand and dem booties
lusty grotto
if you can get myth boots, you'd get myth brand first
lusty grotto
brand first
dusky canopy
Boots are really good in the sense of ilvl though
lusty grotto
like i said
plush tendon
I could craft though
plush tendon
I may just craft 727 booties
dusky canopy
I still think I’d take trinket first
lusty grotto
you should
dusky canopy
Specially from tank perspective
lusty grotto
hello?
lusty grotto
no, you wouldnt
dusky canopy
The amount of value you get from no brand > brand for example
plush tendon
I guess the heal it give is kind of meh
lusty grotto
augusto
dusky canopy
Is way more than hero trinket > myth trinket
Or hero boots > myth boots
plush tendon
I have a hero brand
lusty grotto
and crafting boots meanwhile give you a discount for them so
plush tendon
lusty grotto
its still worth to do so
plush tendon
unless I want to troll some keys as fury
lusty grotto
unless if you have myth track non-cantrips already
plush tendon
lusty grotto
but if i was only focusing on prot then it would be brand > boots > whatever the fuck else because i have everything
plush tendon
feels bad to use first dinar on first boss trinket
lusty grotto
well dude
we just dont fucking get em
oh btw
week 8 of no heroic reclear brand btw
plush tendon
I got my first brand as warbound gear
and then my friend traded me a heroic version
kind of wish we could use dinars on other pieces to
like rings and stuff
my 3rd dinar is actually turbo useless
plush tendon
I think its only the Demi one
lusty grotto
maybe, you might be right
plush tendon
that one has too much haste for me
I need other stats
I was also gonna race change back to Dwarf to finish the season
but the race change thing aint working
doing keys and all my friends are dwarves
and then theres me being a stupid tall human
dusky canopy
Omega pls
lusty grotto
bro
i swear to christ this season...
they must have done something to drop rates in general
in raid specifically
dusky canopy
Yeah man idk last season I got spoon fed full best in slot with very little reclear
This season all dogshit myth items
lusty grotto
yeah
frank surge
boots here right? or am i missing an angle with turbo coming next week (i dont raid)
lusty grotto
i have not seen such a bad luck spell in expansions
lusty grotto
boots here right? or am i missing an angle with turbo coming next week (i dont r...
bro you have a champ brand
plush tendon
boots here right? or am i missing an angle with turbo coming next week (i dont r...
you take the boots
if you arent gonna mythic raid
first dinar on hero brand
just go do normal soulhunters
lusty grotto
he has a champ brand...
plush tendon
thats fine
plush tendon
why would him having champ brand change vault choice?
its like Soleahs, haste/mastery neck, and boots
lusty grotto
because he can craft boots
and get a free myth track upgrade on trinkets
plus an immediate upgrade
if he picks soleahs
frank surge
pov mom and dad arguing
plush tendon
crests are uncapped next week; id just grab boots
buy brand next week with dinars
upgrade everything next Tuesday
and then send a craft on a ring or neck instead
not sure what # of crafts we at yet
frank surge
im sitting on 2 sparks and will have a 3rd next week ye
lusty grotto
crests are uncapped is missing the point that you still have to grind for them
frank surge
so i was gna upgrade my last items after
frank surge
crests are uncapped is missing the point that you still have to grind for them
np i will nolife it in half a day
im king of m10 gambit
15min runs
plush tendon
this is a fun tool
so you can see how many gilded you can convert for next week
I can insta get 250 gilded on reset
and I got 2k valorstones plus 550 from items in bag
lusty grotto
YOU can
plush tendon
he might to!
IDK how many runed hes got lying around
or the other two
but lets you plan and get super pumped
frank surge
i just wanna know what item im better off taking by next week when ive fully nolifed all items to full
i was thinking myabe i just buy a myth tome?
plush tendon
if he takes soleah, hell have to craft boots
lusty grotto
uh huh
plush tendon
and the soleah is just gonna sit in bags once tuesday hits
plush tendon
cause hell have brand and pace
but he'll need to spend 90 gilded on craft boots
like, regardless, crests are gonna get spent
plush tendon
if he takes a 707 soleah now, he spends 75 gilded to get to 623
and itll be trashed later anyways
lusty grotto
HES NOT WASTING ANYTHING
ITS FREE UPGRADES ON WHAT HES GETTING AFTER
who cares if its stashed
plush tendon
hell be better off taking boots he'll use then soleah to try and save a handful of crests
and not use once tuesday hits
plush tendon
crests save are inconsequential
dusky canopy
Make crests purchases in whatever order gives the most dps
Since you can’t do 25 dungeons in an hour
And as far as choosing between items during turbo boost pick whatever gives the most dps long term since you will eventually cap crests anyway if you care at all about performance (and can afford the time) you’ll be capped by the end of next week