protection

[round pendant]

people are literally braindead in pugs

3.2k tank applying to a 2.2k host +10 with a 0 rated healer

declined

does it not stand to reason that my premade healer probably knows what they're doing

[fathom oasis]

I've been that healer in a pretty similar scenario not too long ago, and I'm ngl i was still quite shit at healing

It's all a gamble

[frosty mango]

I invite people like this all the time lol

[round pendant]

Yeah cause you actually possess neurons

[mellow bridge]

guess im stupid because i probs wouldnt

[proud nimbus]

its all well and good until you invite a demon

[solid sun]

My group always vetoes any duos

[coarse sable]

is there any heal reduction to take as prot warri for halls mini boss?

[warm plinth]

No

[mellow yarrow]

AntennaBrand or PacemakerBrand all myth?

[warm plinth]

Antenna/Brand

[round pendant]

dpsdps duos yeah

healer tank? nah they're usually good enough

trios are usually a red flag

[frosty mango]

Nah I’m just impatient

Healer tank combo is almost always a husband wife or bf/gf combo

One of them is always terrible, that’s the rule

Obviously has exceptions but for the most part if a couple is rolling one is good and one stinks

[round pendant]

good thing it doesn't matter if a tank or healer sucks in a 10

[median kayak]

do we even use revenge as tank warri actually ? ... just with proc ?

[grim pilot]

regardless of proc

@warm plinth rate first pull floodgate

still missing tons of crests ngl

stuck at 720

[warm plinth]

Nice! My best so far is 37.6

[frosty mango]

Must be nice when your dk and sham doing 30m are getting gapped

[grim pilot]

this was first pull on a 20

we depleted on big momma because nobody kicked

also on 20 we played smaller pull since not resi and we didn't know how much g10 hits the tank and didn't wanna test it

[orchid narwhal]

def not

anytime i see a healer/tank duo i instantly decline

if ur a tank/healer duo, n u cant climb/list or own key, its either cuz

A: you suck (most likely)
B: you're looking for a very specific key (lot less likely)

[round pendant]

how is b not very likely

the vast majority of applicants are looking for a specific key

[frosty mango]

I frequently queue with a healer

But we’re both 33/3400

Always get invited instantly

[solid sun]

You've never once requested to join one of my groups

[frosty mango]

Maybe I have

How would you know

But I am a tank and you are a tank so I suspect we may be two ships

Passing in a sea of queues

Or maybe we could be like the yachts that have their own little mini yachts

[thin minnow]

question about wrecking throw. if you spec into wt for plexus sentinel, do you only use it on shield phase?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, there's no reason to ever use wrecking throw NOT on a shield

[frosty mango]

what if youre coming back from the tank bomb and you have a free GCD

thats when I send mine

[warm plinth]

whatever floats your boat; you can send whatever you want during times like that, though if it fucks up being able to have it on a shield then it's not worth

[solid sun]

i'm doing h dimmy as fury in pugs and it sure is interesting

[lament osprey]

I need rings in vault 🥹

[solid sun]

I am happy to report that aotc was achieved

[orchid narwhal]

sorta cute

[frosty mango]

fire

[orchid narwhal]

mmm idk, anytime i see somebody with a lower io signing up to a key with a friend with much higher io, u can pretty safely assume its a carry

beside theres just really no reason to take that risk right, i list a 10-12 rn ill get a few people that are 3k+ done the key, geared, to sign up right

no reaosn to take a chance over...just a guy u know can do the key

[solid sun]

lol wow

I have a 55 mage and a 12 druid

am i doing good, pop pop

[warm plinth]

I'm proud of you

I'm at almost 200% bonus experience

[solid sun]

crazy

My druid is named Tomatobisque

So I'm pretty happy about that one

[warm plinth]

Tomatobisque is a pretty solid name

[frosty mango]

what are you gonna do when midnight rolls around and mastery is terrible

no one is gonna know who you are

[warm plinth]

I was creative for most of my toons but now I'm just doing my username and a spell

[warm plinth]

wat

[frosty mango]

It could happen

[solid sun]

Don't worry

You have like 6 months to think about a new discy name

[warm plinth]

No I just don't really know what that means

Like what does your druid's name and mastery have to do with anything

[solid sun]

oh lol

well our new mastery is going to be about the culinary arts

so my name is risky

[warm plinth]

wait what lol

[solid sun]

I'm just memeing

[warm plinth]

Why tf is the druid mastery about culinary arts

[solid sun]

I think Roid just replied to your message about my name to ding you

[frosty mango]

I did

But I just pinged you in reply to his message

Now all is fixed

I was saying if mastery is bad for prot wars in midnight you gotta change your name and then we’re all gonna be like who dat

[warm plinth]

Oh, my warriors aren't named like that anyway

[frosty mango]

In discord!

[warm plinth]

Oh, that's just a nickname. I change it to fit the moment.

[frosty mango]

[warm plinth]

Just haven't found something worth changing it yet

It was Stop Using Barbaric Training for all of last expansion

Because Barbaric Training sucked (it doesn't now)

[lusty grotto]

what is happening

its bf6 weekend gang!

FUCK i gotta do keys

[orchid narwhal]

question

does colossus reuqire higher haste

i find it a bit harder to maintain shield block for some reaosn, might just be cuz im used to mt where u dont run out of rage

[warm plinth]

No, there's no difference at all

[orchid narwhal]

ty

[frosty mango]

Probably a byproduct of you spamming revenge and rage starving yourself

[orchid narwhal]

yea i just did another key

was fin

e

[jagged gust]

Ive managed to get one toon to level 46 so far

[plush tendon]

guys is LFG broken?

Im a 3600 tank queing for 10s... why am I getting declined

[lament osprey]

To big of pulls and elitist

[plush tendon]

I thought I was just smelly

[lament osprey]

nice comfy alt at 3200 is just right

[humble relic]

Is there a good place to get routes to import to MDT?

[warm plinth]

[dry skiff]

alright after a few years of winging it i now have to ask, what is the difference between Alert, info and warning in bigwigz? i tried asking in their own channel but didnt get an answer

[celest mesa]

Back playing prot after a considerable amount of time away (Cata)... How do you check if you are doing things right on Warcraftlogs? Ignore Pain and Sheild block uptime? Currently doing 10s

[warm plinth]

Post here or #1347646810457636974 and ask someone to look at them for you. Things I normally look for when I review logs are:

• Talent build
• Casts per minute of various abilities to ensure proper usage
• Percentage of blocked hits
• Percentage of blocked hits with Shield Block active (to identify being hit in the back)
• Rage waste
• Damage done during Violent Outburst (to identify what spell Outburst is mainly being sent on)

[daring bay]

I see allot of people take

is it defensivly better than?

[warm plinth]

No, but it's offensively much better. And defensively neutral for all typical scenarios as long as you have 21k+ haste rating.

[strong forum]

technically speaking it is defensively better once you have enough to cover SB uptime

[sharp merlin]

Is this pull mathematically possible?

And if not, what is the best way, pace wise to pull this? Emberlanz with the Footman, Priest + Lynx pack -> Chain -> Knight pack?

[coarse bay]

usually that's done without the lynx and sharpshooter pack

at the corner where the priest is

so that knight can be LOS

[sharp merlin]

So I can take Emberlanz, the Knightpack together?

As long as people LOS?

[coarse bay]

ya

[sharp merlin]

SICK

Can you take the Lynxs onto boss?

[coarse bay]

ya, if u do its usually done while ccing one of the sharpshooters

havent seen many routes that do it this season though

[sharp merlin]

it's just pacing wise - the pulls are too chained in this area, and I wanna try rush it more

[coarse bay]

thats how i do it

[rain cloak]

Hey guys - I still use revenge too often.

Playing Mountain Thane, in theory, I should only use Revenge if I have a free proc, or if I have nothing else to press to reset Shield Slam, right?

[coarse bay]

even if you have a free proc, only if you need to fish for reset

[rain cloak]

ahh okay

makes sense

[sharp merlin]

How do you miss the patrol? Are you not worried they get pulled in? (patrol before Damien)

[coarse bay]

just wait for them to be either left or right side and run on edge or middle

[sharp merlin]

hmm okay

I'll try it, cheers!

[oak ivy]

Is there a parry cap in remix? I have 106% Parry on stat sheet but i'm still getting meleed by mobs in front of me

[warm plinth]

I would probably not trust the parry stat on Remix. You don't get parry from crit %, only rating (you can even hover over crit and see that it provides 0 parry). You have a 12.5% base chance to parry, which is likely the parry you're seeing. I don't know if they've done something to increase that amount or not, but I would say probably not.

[solid sun]

I've been informed that the m+ "meta" in remix is 5 tanks

lol

I'm sure you can just kinda do whatever you want but it still made me laugh

[warm plinth]

Yeah, because no one else can live the mechanics but tanks

[solid sun]

Nice

Playing range sucked anyways

[warm plinth]

But that being said, solo runs have been done up to like +30something

[oak ivy]

Do you just become immune at 200% vers due to the 100% reduce damage taken 🤔

[warm plinth]

No, DR caps at 85%

[oak ivy]

ooh gotcha, that's still insane

[warm plinth]

Besides, getting to that much vers would take an extraordinarily long time

[oak ivy]

have seen multiple people already with above that somehow xd

some bug or hyperspawn prob

[warm plinth]

Hm, does the infinite power requirement not scale?

for the final node ranks

[oak ivy]

no it's 50k every time

[warm plinth]

Oh, then that would do it

I was operating under the assumption that it scaled per level

[solid sun]

Ghash you know how for the most part our general rule is to accumulate ilvl

Like when you're at the start of a season, we tend to recommend just gaining ilvl and worry about stats later

[tribal wharf]

in wow keystones, they talked about i forget what the term is i think resilient.
what about toxic keystones for toxic keystone players

now your keystone is cursed

i think thats a good idea

[warm plinth]

yes

[solid sun]

Is that how dps specs work too

I haven't really dps'd in years and most of my friends keep saying things like, "Well that's an ilvl upgrade but it's the wrong stats so I'm not gonna equip it"

[warm plinth]

Most dps specs still prioritize main stat, but some do not

BM hunter for example, agility is their lowest prio stat

So bad secondaries could potentially mean you don't use the item

[solid sun]

rip

the healers quit

[undone beacon]

I queue healer as a shadow priest

Havent seen a group need healing yet

[solid sun]

Well just the role i guess

I don't really ever see any actual healing once a group is formed either

[plush tendon]

omg we twinning!

I do that to!

[deft mortar]

I love when DPS and Healers think I am not pulling big out of concern for myself

Not their fragile, unable to interrupt/CC/use defensive asses

There isn't anything that's a threat for tanks in this game ngl

[frosty mango]

Remember when blizz was like “tanks will need more healing and there will be less unavoidable aoe”

That was a crazy expansion

Wait…

[deft mortar]

LMAO

bros out here unable to reliably interrupt 2 casters with 3.2K scores

I guess that is not unavoidable dmg

[shrewd grove]

Looking at you Halls of Atonement, specifically, lol

[coarse bay]

🙏

[fossil mountain]

I keep getting clapped by x2 of the long leg walker things on streets (in the market). Any tips?

I guess apart from not taking two at a time

[nocturne spindle]

your almost certainly geting murdered by the strong arm guy most likely

which spawns with them

and unfortunately they suck and you just kite

[frosty mango]

I use wall here to give dps uptime and then once it falls off I leap off

Doesn’t matter what cds you have up, if you stand there and face tank it you will eventually die unless the healer is dropping a lot on you

And tbh it’s easier to just kite like weesh said

[fossil mountain]

Tyty

[shrewd grove]

SW>Healer External>SW will give you enough time to kill it up until about 18s.

They just hit hard

[grim pilot]

SR on cd, at some point you need to have big def at all times (bark + demo/demo + sr/bark + sr or just sw) if it's high enough (up to you to decide when) can ask healer/dps to help with vortex/binding so u don't run around while kiting

[warm plinth]

The overseers aren't CCable are they?

[coarse sable]

can someone explain me this shit?

[warm plinth]

Terrifying Slam hits for both physical and shadow.

[coarse sable]

but bro

i never die to this

i took the first 5 like a real man only ip and then this

on 18 fyi

[coarse bay]

Why not use a defensive?

[coarse sable]

The First Hits didnt Even matter to me

I didnt Expect the oneshot

[coarse bay]

Its the only thing that hurts for awhile, might as well use defensives on slams

Actually nvm not only thing lol

[warm plinth]

Idk I use defensives on that even at my key level

[coarse bay]

I had to double check the name i thought it mightve been the mini

Idk thats the only thing to use defensives on there

[lament osprey]

I forget to push shield wall there once in awhile.

[coarse bay]

If youre curious about the double hit, maybe check a log to see if it’s consistent with the other times you got hit

[warm plinth]

It always hits twice

Because the shadow and physical portions are two separate hits that happen simultaneously

I feel like you've just been getting lucky with demo shout being active naturally and having IP stacked up tbh because that spell trucks

Like idk what to tell you; it's literally a tank buster, idk why you wouldn't defensive it

[stray mason]

Hello, i primary play dps classes and healers, would u say prot pally out of all tanks plays the most like a dps?

I like lots of offensive buttons.

[undone beacon]

I dunno about prot pally

This is prot warr land

[stray mason]

I meant prot warrior, omg im so sorry

[coarse bay]

You can play most tanks like a dps

What classes are you looking for similarities to?

Tanking tends to be simpler rotationally than dps

[sharp merlin]

What’s a defensive!!!

[frosty mango]

This was you not pressing a mit

For the physical portion

[stray mason]

Thats hard to say, i play lock,priest,monk and dk

[coarse bay]

I'd suggest try bdk since you have one, otherwise warrior is a good one to try

[coarse sable]

mit?

[warm plinth]

Mitigation

Defensive

[round pendant]

can the cd manager do:

1. Buffs tracking on the same icon as the spell that gives it (for example, Avatar being active makes my avatar (spell) tracker glow and have the duration of the buff visible on it too?)
2. Set Icons to only show when they're ON cd, not always

anyone know?

or if it's planned?

[warm plinth]

1. Already a thing, shows CD once the buff is gone

2. You can't do that currently, but I believe it's planned.

[round pendant]

is 1 toggleable?

[warm plinth]

The only options for visibility right now are "Always Visible", "Combat", and "Hidden"

No, you can toggle whether the actual time shows, but that's it

[round pendant]

Damn imagine if there was like a system that allowed players to implement their own functionality on UI elements to get it just how they like

But anyway 2 gives me hope

[warm plinth]

These are also universal settings, though you can determine which abilities are on the CD manager in general.

[round pendant]

concerned about VO tracking too

but yeah as long as 2 gets fixed I can probably use it

[warm plinth]

VO is tracked; it's in the 2nd image at the top

[indigo hawk]

So Proxy Strike can be parried ?? Didn’t know that

[warm plinth]

yerp

Parry parry parry parry OH GOD parry parry OH GOD

[indigo hawk]

But it’s full luck no ?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[indigo hawk]

Ok so def will be up and my ass smashed

[round pendant]

what does that look like tho

is it an icon with stacks that just goes up to 100?

or is it just when you've charged one it pops up

I kinda forgot this is ingame now so I can just test it myself right

[mighty valley]

i don’t think the live version has all of the alpha features

[warm plinth]

I don't know if it does or not; the screenshots I shared are all from live

[warm plinth]

In that image, you have both. Seeing Red is the second which would have the stack count. And Violent Outburst is the first that would appear when you hit the required stacks.

[round pendant]

I'm gonna throw up

[stray mason]

I like high apm

[round pendant]

I completely forgot they're two separate buffs lmao

my bar just carries me

[obsidian spear]

Hey, noob prot warrior has a rotation question. When do you press rend as part of the rotation in ST and AOE?

[lusty grotto]

never

thunder clap applies it

[warm plinth]

You just need it talented. It does not need to be on your bar.

[obsidian spear]

ty

[orchid narwhal]

I wish they'd just replace redundancies like that

[warm plinth]

Well good news

[lusty grotto]

they are

[warm plinth]

They are next expansion

[orchid narwhal]

I thikn the worst part of WoW is learning new classes and having to figure out the redundancies urself LOL

Yea but for another 4 months I will struggle thru learning classes kekw

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

I think I'm coming to the realisation that DF talent trees were a mistake

[restive oak]

they just made them to realize why they removed them in the first place

[grim pilot]

oh it's me

[grim pilot]

wall + sr/demo + sr for every hit

and topped IP

and make sure your shield block didn't fall off just before

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-old-man-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-14669627

i give up trying to help people lol

[lusty grotto]

what happened

[dark barn]

The kick at end of the key after some meaningless critics... such a classic

[lusty grotto]

i mean

you shouldnt give advice to people that dont ask for it

that will happen 500% of the time

[orchid narwhal]

^

Yea I don't help people in WoW usually unless they explicitly ask

WoW players in particular hate unwanted help

Even if it is genuinely in good intent and helpful

[mellow bridge]

Has been my opinion since the df beta

[dark barn]

They turned the borrowed power in permanent talents and after two expansions we're already in a total bloat of talents situation (most of them passives)

[lusty grotto]

100% disagree

the class tree looks very good in Midnight

the spec trees def need more work

and way more iterations

[mighty valley]

I think there are upsides and downsides

I just kinda think “we’re removing borrowed power” was kind of disingenuous

when they’re always gonna have to add stuff for novelty and trim for bloat

[frosty mango]

Yes but they did ask for it

The leader booted me as I was answering lol

[undone beacon]

Man I wish they would take these complicated talent trees an simplify them so we take one out of three talents every 10 or so levels

It would be mistical

Talk about making choices matter again am I right fellas???

[warm plinth]

😮‍💨

[frosty mango]

I remember a game like that

It had pandas

[solid sun]

Don’t need talents

Just be talented

[lament osprey]

My talent is being bad 🥹

[round pendant]

when I was miserably trying to pug aotc (I gave up)

some pwar tank saw me doing double his damage

he whispered me and asked what my prio was

I gave him a quick rundown and he instantly gained like 60-80% more dps

and then he kicked me from the group after the kill cause it was a guild run and blahblahblah

didn't even say thanks

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[sinful copper]

He was the lead?!?!

[round pendant]

Yeah

[sick parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/psychology-south-park-gif-10340524

[round pendant]

good, that man will go on to become a legend in his dogshit guild

[nocturne spindle]

freeedommmmmmmmmm

[frosty mango]

That 18 isn’t centered

Clearly ai generated lies

[solid sun]

why are you lying to us

weeshy

[spice anchor]

for tanking m+ would myth track boots beat normal soulhunter boots?

[nocturne spindle]

is that just a thing tha details does

why is it not centered lmao

[nocturne spindle]

probably yea

unless you are dieing

[sinful copper]

100%

[sinful copper]

But do u have 18 ara too?!

[nocturne spindle]

yea

i am just in floodgate jail now

[sinful copper]

Oh dang

[viscid lantern]

Yep, like legion

[frosty mango]

Gl worst one imo

[fair sonnet]

rookie centering mistake

the edge of the characters is placed along the center line

[sharp merlin]

More like, no Mono, no money

[sharp merlin]

Doing a 17 Streets tonight, on first pull (the mini boss), I normally wall just as the fight starts, but do I basically just need SR / Wall for each TB?

[fringe lava]

When looking at logs for improving in m+ what are you looking for? Ive so far looked at rage and seem to waste on avarage 1-2% over the entire run. What is the next big thing to look for?

[indigo hawk]

What is TB ? I’ve done it in 17 yesterday but don’t remember having surviving problem on this mini boss, the only scary shit is Proxy strike

[indigo hawk]

Just go for a +20/21 of a Warrior prot on a key and put on half window or other screen your best log on this key.
Look at his cast, and see if they match yours. If not, ask yourself why and how you can improve to look like it. You can look at dmg done too but I really prefer cast. Don’t look at how many cast they have done (because you will prob don’t have the same haste) but more the shape of those lignes.
After that you can see cast by cast and how the guy manage his rotation but the rotation is a bit simple on prot Warrior. And you can look at a moment when you where « oh shit I almost died » and look how he manage to survive this moment on a very high key

[fringe lava]

This is very good, thank you!

[sharp merlin]

Tank Buster

Which is Proxy strike 😄

[indigo hawk]

Ahah yeah so you need to SW on every one

Or pray to parry it but good luck with the god of luck

[sharp merlin]

Even the ones from the Armoured Overseers?

[indigo hawk]

Or you can demo+SR

[sharp merlin]

I'll try keep Reflect in my backpocket for it

[indigo hawk]

This is really the only time you can easly die in this dungeon, there is not really danger after that in 17

[indigo hawk]

I like to use SR for Hard Light Baton, that hit hard and can be reflected

But idk if it’s optimal

[rain cloak]

Aloha - I'm still missing the Soulhunter Boots... was too lazy so far to farm them on Heroic and our Guild will never every kill them on Mythic.. So how important are they actually? 😄 Would the Heroic Version still be more valuable than fully upgraded Myth Track Boots?

Comparing my logs with logs from others with the boots, the effect seems very underwhelming

[indigo hawk]

Not really important for tank, myth boot > hero soulhunter boot

Surviving is not a big issue for prot Warrior if you rotate fine your defensive

[rain cloak]

Okay ty 🙂

[idle copper]

How's Prot in remix compared to the other tanks? Mainly just want to be solo farming stuff

[jagged pier]

u can solo farm stuff as any spec

[shy python]

What does this mean? What would a prot warrior cast?

[jagged pier]

well if u have storm surger u can remix on the move

it doesnt really matter tho

[shy python]

Alright

[jagged pier]

<@&257983573498265600>

[strong forum]

i deleted

didnt ban tho

[ionic fern]

[frosty mango]

Thanks if it wasn’t for these sick deals I’d be broke by now

[solid sun]

Roid are you gonna be a housing main

Really show off your dad abilities in game

[dry skiff]

i dont know why i get so few SS resets. in raid i prioritize Free execute > 2x TB stack > SS > TB > Execute > TC ( not counting procs ). i do this but i often notice i dont have anything to press, sometimes even revenge instead of IP because i literally dont have anything rdy

do i get more SS resets with haste ? devastate or something, is it even noticable ?

[indigo hawk]

Pressing revenge is not really bad, look at this, it’s the first Warrior prot dps on sentinel

He casted a lot of revenge

[frosty mango]

This doesn’t necessarily mean anything

His kill time is low so the relative cpm will be higher

He had good tierset rng and good execute crit rng

Both of those contributed to his parse a lot more than pressing revenge

[dry skiff]

i know, i'm copying them. i always revenge when i have nothing else ready. i cant get SS rdy with IP

my issue is not having things to press for a while

[frosty mango]

That’s not to say pressing revenge is bad (it’s not - ideal in the right conditions) but looking at a single parse and making a conclusion about what is and isn’t right is misleading

[frosty mango]

I am big on casual shit

You know I’ll be decorating

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

We will have to check out each others houses for sure

[dry skiff]

i know that, just saying it could be pure luck but i barely see players finding themselves in that situation. i even leap away and charge for a little bit of rage but still nothing else to press

[jagged pier]

if u have nothing too press u are overspending on ip

or under pressing generators

or both

[frosty mango]

Its unlikely you’d have that happen frequently

Imo you’re either overusing ip or not pressing buttons fast enough

Do you have a log?

Jakey fingers of fire

[dry skiff]

this is my 13th world :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nWJmrF3NA4HtjMCy?fight=21&type=casts&source=46

this is something around 400 : i was fighiting salhadar with multiple execute windows, still i had nothing else to press instead of TC, not even revenge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cq6gKwMARzkFXcTp?fight=1&type=casts&source=15

i only have 1 kill tho, cant compare boss with boss. i was in a learning curve and low ilvl back then

i still play with 1x embelish only and i waste 3x crafts, wondering if more haste can fix it

here Fractilius had no movement, very few TCs but still not a competitive damage :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MZv29yzBGK3cmdDq?fight=43&type=casts&source=420

i only held cd one time for 10 sec so i could line up everything for execute bursts

[jagged pier]

your casts are low

also

your SB uptime is terribole

[dry skiff]

i know that, i didnt want to spend rage on it

[jagged pier]

your also sending VB on TB and TC

in raid

on these logs

[jagged pier]

it increases your damage

are u insane?

[dry skiff]

shield block ?

[jagged pier]

yes

[dry skiff]

what

[jagged pier]

READ YOUR TALENTS AND SPELLS

[frosty mango]

Your soulbinder parse is largely pad - I wouldn’t drive your decision making based on that

[indigo hawk]

My point was really not « look at him, he is the best and do exactly like him », I just said that you can press revenge, because the first point of the guy asking was surprised of pressing revenge. But it’s really normal to press revenge on raid rotation. That’s all

[frosty mango]

That’s fair and I agree

[jagged pier]

being number in raid is one factor

rng

did u proc 1000s more ionzing strikes

yes

congrats

rank1

[dry skiff]

everyone on top already padded on soulbinder -.-

[frosty mango]

Jakey this feels like you dislike rng

I’m sensing trauma

[jagged pier]

i fucking hate it

[indigo hawk]

I took rank 1 because it’s the first I saw on wowlogs, I shouldn’t Even said if was rank 1, Forget about it

[jagged pier]

i nearly quit last tier because of the tier sets

[dry skiff]

i dived deep into my talents and passives a while ago, but i have fish-capacity memory. gimme a hint, where does it say SB leads to more damage ? xD

left, middle, right

[indigo hawk]

My point could be less important if I Said «  look, it’s a normal raider parsing 10, do like him »

[jagged pier]

literally says it on the spell tooltip

so u didnt read

took me less than 10 seconds after logging in

[indigo hawk]

You can read as a Warrior main ? Is this black magic ??

[dry skiff]

T______T, i thought i was sleek surviging without shield block and defensive stance

[frosty mango]

If you could give me a percentage, how much of that 10 seconds was finding the spell and how much was reading it

[jagged pier]

80% of the time

[frosty mango]

“Is it a or is it b”
Jakey: “yes”

[jagged pier]

divide by 2

there u go

anyway back to the topic

u are still underpressing buttons such as TC

your normal TC casts are giga low

SB we have discussed

u also dont track VB

so are not sending it on SS

which is pretty much all u do in raid

[dry skiff]

which boss ? if it's Fractilius i dont know, but i prioritize TC last, all the way to the bottom

[jagged pier]

your trinekts are also dudu for raid

[dry skiff]

that was a 1 time thing, i thouight if i'm not tanking the boss, maybe that would be better

[jagged pier]

on salabar u sent it on tc 3 times

and on fract 4 times on TB

[frosty mango]

On your frac log you also had jacked up talents

[dry skiff]

Violent outburst ? yea i've been meaning to fix the weakaura, the one i'm using right know surprises me " GOTTA Bi*CH "

[frosty mango]

You are taking aoe execute over execute +dmg

[jagged pier]

hes got execute damage

[dry skiff]

i didnt ditch that, coldnt find anything to replace AOE

[jagged pier]

yer

its yellow

[frosty mango]

Oh it’s visible there

[jagged pier]

its been selected

[frosty mango]

Doesn’t show up on mobile browser lol

[dry skiff]

forget about that, you want me to use more TC ? what do i prioritze it over

[frosty mango]

Revenge

[jagged pier]

if u have a generator

as

thane

it needs to be pressed

before anything else

arguable during execute phase too

but thats more a vibe

[dry skiff]

weird then, i was trying to copy the top guy who parsed. he would only TC when he had no rage and nothign else to press left

[jagged pier]

thats revenges job

not TCs

also relys on how many procs u get i suppose cause it will turn the TCs into TB casts

[frosty mango]

But you are fundamentally misunderstanding why he parsed

[dry skiff]

i have very distinguished weakaura for my shield slam, i dont think i spent much not pressing it

[elfin elk]

How do you prioritize in execute phase, I tend to prioritize execute pretty highly after SS and TB but not sure if thats optimal

[indigo hawk]

If you want to be optimal, use execute exactly the same as IP, you use it to not overcap in rage, after that you do the same rotation. But be careful because you gonna be less tanky

[frosty mango]

Execute would largely replace revenge and depending on health safety - ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

you play execute like colossus

is what roidberg is saying

[frosty mango]

Imo very few places in raid where you need ignore pain

Dimensius p1 is all that really comes to mind

[dry skiff]

i replace IP revenge with execute, but i still generate before that, with the exception of having a debuff or something on boss that i wanna dump damage to

until now i wouldnt use shield block thinking i;m saving rage xD

[lusty grotto]

😬

yikes

[dry skiff]

normal encounter for me, i swap between bunch of unknown classes and spec each season. hard to avoid mistakes like this

[indigo hawk]

Shield block on cd Exept if you want to min/max on execute phase

[frosty mango]

Not reading your spells pretty basic mistake tho

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt call it a mistake, SB is our bread and butter

thats just massively fucking up

[frosty mango]

You’ll be a god now tho

[dry skiff]

i did read them, i just missed the shield block xD

[indigo hawk]

I learned that we got a spell to cancel fear after 1 year of high mythic+ so you are not alone

[lusty grotto]

our entire secondary priority is related to SB and SB uptime

the whole class revolves around it

and no

[dry skiff]

but i still dont know why i get a almost 4 seconds window of not having SS, TB, execute with 40 rage sometimes

[lusty grotto]

"SB on cd" is not the correct way

you just maintain it

[elfin elk]

Soloing Nexus king soaks without externals is doable with a full bar of IP

Makes for a fun minigame

[indigo hawk]

Because Thunder clap and revenge are part of the rotation

[frosty mango]

Why tho 🫠

[dusky canopy]

On Cd MaInTaInS iT

[frosty mango]

You think we bring ret pals to raid for their dps?

[elfin elk]

You guys have ret pallies?

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk, why the fuck wouldnt you use externals

[elfin elk]

I don't trust any of my dps and it lessens healer cognitive load

[lusty grotto]

unless they are talking about Saladbar that isnt myth

which would be wild in itself cause why would you want to solo soak under myth diffy

[elfin elk]

Plus it gives me something to concentrate on while everyone else learns ghosts

[frosty mango]

The entire spec revolves around creating a feedback loop between thunder blast and shield slam with tier and hero procs

[elfin elk]

No it's myth

[frosty mango]

Not pressing shield slam enough leads to not having shield slam

Misplaying will eventually lead you to a place where you don’t have buttons to press

If you don’t have buttons to press it’s because you aren’t pressing your buttons

[lusty grotto]

not spending shield slam leads to not getting TBs

[frosty mango]

How’s that for circular logic

[dry skiff]

i get that part, i try hard focusing on not overcapping TB stacks and not wasting anytime using SS. i dont know what you checked when these gentlement told me i have low cast on them. i dont have it to use T_T

[lusty grotto]

CPM

[cerulean tusk]

Cats per mile

[lusty grotto]

fractillus cpm is fine

saladbar is not

are you just not maintaining uptime or something

youre also starving yourself

the saladbar log is nuked due to platform bug anyway

[frosty mango]

Capybaras per monkey imo

[cerulean tusk]

[dry skiff]

total casts or specific ability ? if i want to guess i'd say i wouldnt use shield block if i thought i would live, i couldnt leap back and charge because boss has fast movement speed and the the other tank had it i wasnt starving. then we had portal intermisson, so there was a wwalk there. the rest i dont know. what do you mean i'm starving myself ? rage ? probably because i was priortizing revenge over clap

[dry skiff]

we couldnt

[lusty grotto]

you couldnt what

the log is nuked

[dry skiff]

we coudnt skip the portals

[lusty grotto]

you went the opposite platform from the guy that logged

[lusty grotto]

thats not what im saying

so we're missing that chunk of data

[dry skiff]

i thought you said we nuked the boss

[solid sun]

Good morning nimchip

[lusty grotto]

THE LOG is nuked

aka saladbar log bug

thats why we dont like saladbar logs for gameplay reviews

[lusty grotto]

and thus, anyone going the opposite platform loses that chunk of data

[frosty mango]

TLDR not prioritizing thunderclap means you are generating less rage overall, less shield slam procs (even more less rage), less violent outburst procs

So you eventually get to a place where you don’t have a shield slam reset, you can’t execute, can’t revenge, so you press clap finally > but that’s not enough rage so you now have no buttons to press for a second until shield slam is back up

[dry skiff]

oooooo, i went right side. didnt know there was a bug, that was my first attempt at boss

[lusty grotto]

its not a bug

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide has a great rotation section that explains the rotation

[lusty grotto]

we call it that

but the truth is, its just how combat logging works - its distance based

[dry skiff]

anyway the only time i think i didnt use SS was when i either had 2x TB stacks or i had a free execute or i wanted to maximize damage during a debuff on boss

[frosty mango]

Every week we have a discussion about “top log/yoda/kira do x so I am doing x why is damage bad/am I dying”

“You’re playing incorrectly here’s examples”

“No I’m definitely not playing incorrectly”

[lusty grotto]

read what roid just said above my picture

[cerulean tusk]

Tells me you guys really are argumentive

[frosty mango]

It’s 9am in a wow class discord we take what we can get

[dry skiff]

maybe there is a language barrier xD i'm not insisting i did everthing correctly. i'm saying i was careful not to let SS sit rdy, might have missed i dont know

[lusty grotto]

yes hes not talking about SS

just disregard anything said about the saladbar log, its missing data

[lusty grotto]

in ST you cannot stop prioritizing rage generators

in AOE/keys you can get away with it since youre generating a fuckload of rage anyway (but you shouldn't anyway)

but in ST, you gotta send those generators, which are two

TC generates rage and resets your SS

[dry skiff]

got it thanks, yea i spent a while understanding what you're telling me

yesterday i ran into a problem, when i get free avatar with lighting strike, using avatar cd extends it's duration ? do i save my avatar for when that one's over ?

[jagged pier]

no

[dry skiff]

no to both ?

[jagged pier]

u dnt save avatar

ever

[lusty grotto]

no, you dont hold

[indigo hawk]

Like shield block, the up time add up

[mint sand]

Hey, who's a good tank (pref warr) resource to watch to help learn pulls? I'm at athe 16-17 range and I'm occasionally getting trolled for following the "Easy" Pug routes on keystone guru

[frosty mango]

https://raider.io/news/694-new-mythic-plus-heatmaps

This will show you the general pathing and heat map

There’s not really any creators with videos on routing afaik but if there’s a specific key you’re looking for I’m sure folks can link their routes

Nothing in the keystone routes look particularly egregious though, which one were you getting issues with?

[mint sand]

Floodgate / Priory mostly. Dunno whether to play it safer or do massive pulls that seem to brick a lot of groups.

[lusty grotto]

at that range you cant really play it safe

[mint sand]

I've done this route in floodgate, and an arcane mage was not happy about pull 2
https://keystone.guru/route/operation-floodgate/xq45Zcd/pug-friendly-raiderios-weekly-route/1

[lusty grotto]

but do note certain mobs that are just not doable

yeah pull 2 is not good

[mint sand]

So I've started pulling entire platform, then all divers with the next architect and it seems to brick some keys

[lusty grotto]

dont pull divers with that platform

just do entire platform thats it

[mint sand]

Next platform*

[lusty grotto]

pull divers / crabs to architect

if people die to pull 3

with bombs + divers

thats not on your route

or on you

[mint sand]

Kk Ill keep working through that one then

[lusty grotto]

thats just the group sucks and go next key

[limpid ruin]

Nah, I have to stand next to bomb as it times out. Its too alluring

[lusty grotto]

yeah at that range the group should know how to manage those mobs

kicking harpoons, funneling and prioring architect/scaffolding and stay the fuck away from bombs

the only thing you can do is kick harpoons and move away from bombs if they go out and arent stopped

also at 16/17 you def wanna start melding last two jumpstarters

[last lotus]

Hey! Any advice hwo to deal with overseers in Streets? I never had a problem but since I am playing them with boss on 17 I get one shot quite often (the moment I am out of walls/ shout. Their proxy strike hitting for 16m each is too much to take - Feels like I am doing sth really really wrong there. Do I take tank buster from boss natty? Would really appreciate some advices

[nocturne spindle]

Does the boss have a tank buster???

Either way send all CDs on proxy none on whatever the boss does

[coarse bay]

Ya def on only proxy, boss shouldnt hurt you

[last lotus]

ye boss does a slash but seems like it doesn´t hurt too much. Gonna try it out tho. Thank you, guys

[frosty mango]

Hm

Did something change on streets?

Proxy has always hurt but there’s been a suspicious increase in this specific question since last reset

[lusty grotto]

nah

its been pretty consistent throughout the season

people rerolling that dont press cds

[frosty mango]

Feel like it’s been pretty amped up for the past week or two

[lusty grotto]

holding wall for next key etc

[mint sand]

I've been having a lot more success when I'm low on CDs to let BSV proc, and use CDs next one

[lusty grotto]

i havent seen any difference roid

[mint sand]

Just timed a 17 and it felt pretty safe

[frosty mango]

I haven’t seen any change in streets only the amount of people asking about it

The overseers cast proxy strike at the same cadence and can be pulled individually

I just pull one, wait 10 seconds or so, pull the other

Problem solved

If you pull them both at the same time you’re gonna eat 2 proxy strikes at the same time - I actually do those guys with the boss too lol

[mint sand]

Maybe at higher keys, but right now I like both of them going off at the same time and I double on CDs. 1 - Wall + Shout 2- BSV 3 - Wall + Shout

And wouldn't spell reflect work since it's arcane damage?

[lusty grotto]

no

[mint sand]

(just for the dr)

[lusty grotto]

and why would you count on BSV

[mint sand]

At a certain point I believe it should be part of your rotation

Gives your CDs time to come back

[lusty grotto]

you use rage for that

you have wall for every single one

[jagged pier]

our shield wall has less than a minute cd

what u mean need time for cds to come back

[lusty grotto]

but yes the MDR in SR does work

[last lotus]

so you just pull them both and wall each proxy ig - shout isn´t up for every proxy strike right?

[lusty grotto]

wall is up for every proxy

[mint sand]

Idk if I look down and double proxy is going out sometimes I let BSV proc, there's nothing else dangerous for awhile in that dungeon

If you let BSV proc by accident, you kinda messed up imo

[lusty grotto]

no

thats what BSV is for

especially in streets, what the fuck else do you need BSV for

[mint sand]

Like what is going to kill you after double overseer + boss

It's a pretty easy tank buster dungeon

Maybe mail room pull

[lusty grotto]

which is like 15 mins after that pull

[mint sand]

Yea so just let it proc

[lusty grotto]

it wont proc if youre walling proxy

[mint sand]

Idk sometimes I feel like I'm low on wall charges if I'm aggressive in that room

[frosty mango]

This is why I just split them by like 10 seconds

Then there is no danger because you are never taking two at once

I reflect one and wall the other

Which also catches a baton

[last lotus]

I actually tried to taunt just one but other followed - didn´t know you can actually split them, might try it out. Thanks

[frosty mango]

I just heroic throw one from the corner during the boss fight

And then the other

[last lotus]

does reflect dr count on them?

[frosty mango]

Yes it’s arcane

[frosty mango]

It was cooler when I said it apparently

[grim pilot]

U can’t reflect overseers

U want them somewhat synced so you can pop all walls at once

[frosty mango]

That was not what he asked

And not what I said

[last lotus]

Ye I got that you can´t reflect but that DR works

[mint sand]

I like em synced too, but seems like it's dealers choice as long as you can live lol

[grim pilot]

It doesn’t change my answer that you want them synced

Not desynced

One somewhat natty gets very deadly higher key lvls

[frosty mango]

IMO taking two synced just increases the incidence of your death because you are taking a single large damage event at the same time as batons and potentially boss.

Desyncing them by a few seconds splits the two damage events while still letting you cover both

[grim pilot]

I never said to keep them synced down to double hit, u just don’t want them desynced

Within a second is usually good

[frosty mango]

They are either synced or desynced

[grim pilot]

1-3 sec

[frosty mango]

There is no “somewhat” desynced lol

[grim pilot]

There are levels to their desync

You said 10 seconds

There is no way you’re living higher key that way

[frosty mango]

You either pull them together or you don’t

[grim pilot]

When you’re taking one with sr and one with wall

[frosty mango]

What would you qualify a higher key

[grim pilot]

I don’t know lol like 19 or something

[frosty mango]

I’m 100% doing this in a 17 that I continually brick for other reasons (thanks dps who can’t do mail boss) and it’s never an issue

[grim pilot]

That doesn’t mean it’s optimal

Just because it works on a 17

When people are timing this on 21

[lusty grotto]

myrtu

[frosty mango]

Yeah those people are also not running shield spec

[lusty grotto]

this is a warrior disc

[frosty mango]

Is that optimal?

[lusty grotto]

not a 20 keys disc

[grim pilot]

What does that mean

[frosty mango]

What people are doing in 21s is completely irrelevant for like 99% of the playerbase lol

[grim pilot]

That you should make your life harder on purpose?

If it works in 21 it works in 12 and 15

[lusty grotto]

no

[grim pilot]

Since it’s something you have total control over

[lusty grotto]

but they need to learn how to play

[frosty mango]

My point is shifting them by like 10s gives you coverage and reduces the likelihood of you getting clapped in a pug because the damage is spread over multiple smaller events

[lusty grotto]

maybe you dont have to myrtuu, but most people that come in here do need to learn how to play

[frosty mango]

Nowhere did I say it was optimal or best

[grim pilot]

What does it matter pug or not

Pug has no control over you pressing shield wall

[grim pilot]

Sure but that’s kinda irrelevant to the argument no?

[lusty grotto]

its not because you said this:

[grim pilot]

Okay

[frosty mango]

This isn’t true and this is why you get tons of bricked 10 and 12 keys with people trying to do stuff they are not ready for/do not know how to execute

[lofty warren]

Sometimes I am getting so much rage that I'm literally spamming ip after using all the shield blocks

You too?

[warm plinth]

Don't do it

Don't respond to him

[grim pilot]

Which is why i said you have total control over this and i also explained how to do it

It’s not something that requires group coordination or some level of skill

[frosty mango]

I love you pepega, never change

[warm plinth]

If it required skill then you wouldn't be doing it 😏

Jkjk

[frosty mango]

You got the best one liners

[lusty grotto]

also btw

[frosty mango]

Just nothing but net

[lusty grotto]

i do like them synced

🙂

[frosty mango]

Well that’s bad and you’re bad and you should be ashamed

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-hiding-soda-gif-22750647

[warm plinth]

I gotta give myrt shit because he's in MPF and it's in my job description.

[frosty mango]

We need a good smoked meat post to get us all back on topic

[solid sun]

Is MPF doing swell

[lusty grotto]

syncing batons is

https://tenor.com/view/meme-danker-meme-gif-26161845

so i sync proxies too

sync everything

[solid sun]

I hope we can have a smoker pit in our housing that lets you cook stuff

[lusty grotto]

Syncs of tazavesh

[frosty mango]

What is mpf, mega potato foundation?

[lusty grotto]

yes

speaking of which, its lunch time everybody

[frosty mango]

Monster poop farts

[solid sun]

Martinis por favor

[warm plinth]

Idk. It's not really quantifiable. We hold steady around 45kish people give or take

[warm plinth]

Mythic Plus Friends

[frosty mango]

I have some smoked chili with a honey jalepeno cornbread and some rellenos

[warm plinth]

I need to find somewhere that sells that Amish pepper jelly

[solid sun]

I made a shrimp fettuccini dish yesterday that I’m eating for leftovers

[solid sun]

45k sounds like a lot of people tbh

[warm plinth]

It's like 1/5 of the number of people in here

Or 1/4 idk, math hard

[solid sun]

It’s way more than my silly guild discord

I still have to tell them I’m done raiding leading

I hope they don’t hate me

[frosty mango]

Have you tried Amish people

I live near Amish country and have like 4 jars in my fridge

[solid sun]

Can you send me one

[dry skiff]

never thought i'd be so excited about indestructable shield

[dusky canopy]

@solid sun I tried skrewball for the first time yesterday

Peanut butter whisky

[warm plinth]

We have it in some stores around here. Just haven't bought any in several years and I don't live near the store I used to use.

[solid sun]

Love skrewball

[dusky canopy]

I’m told it’s on the lower end of quality but I actually really enjoyed it

[frosty mango]

So funny story I am literally in an Amish market

Right now

[dusky canopy]

Works for me cause it’s cheap 😆

[frosty mango]

If it sucked it wouldn’t be popular

Well actually now that I think about it

They sell a lot of popov

[solid sun]

I’m not much of a snob when it comes to anything. If it’s cheap I’ll learn to love it

Lobster started out as poor people food. Now look at it

It’s like being a trend setter for the generations to come

[dusky canopy]

Today I learned I had no idea lol

[solid sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

Grab me some ty

[frosty mango]

Tbf in most of the world it’s still poor people food

Imo there’s no poor foods

Food is what you make it

[lusty grotto]

rice was poor people food

also

[solid sun]

Yeah ideally there isn’t “poor people food” but you know what I mean

Lobster expensive now.

[lusty grotto]

well yeah not anymore

ramen maybe

well, not restaurant ramen

but the ones you buy as a college student lol

[solid sun]

But if I come over to your house and you serve me ramen I’ll just be grateful you thought of me lol

I feel the same about like keystone or Busch

I’ll drink whatever you’re offering

[lusty grotto]

fuck that ill bring the good stuff

[solid sun]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

but yeah ill drink busch or natty

if theres nothign else lol

[fading tide]

How do I use twisted crusade in remix? Do I cast gel spike asap or wait until crusade gets to under 5 seconds then spike?

[lusty grotto]

technically this isnt a remix channel

ask in #general or something

[dusky canopy]

Nim lmao

[fleet sun]

Hello guys, im fairly new at prot warrior and im having a bit of trouble here. First of all, i read the wowhead guide and it suggested that i use some macros for m+, do you think they are helpful? Do i lose on value if i have them ? For example the shield slam + ignore pain one, this way it feels like im only spending rage on ignore pain and im affraid that i wont have rage for revenge if i opt to do more damage or even shield block

[fading tide]

Plz help I’m on the side of the road and I’m stuck

[frosty mango]

I would never offer a guest natty

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-kick-no-stay-down-there-nope-gif-17913274

[lusty grotto]

did you read what it said about it?

thats not a macro you use when learning the class

and especially NOT if you didnt read what it says

[frosty mango]

…..which you didn’t. Because that’s not how you use it

[fleet sun]

I didnt quite understand what it said to be honest

[lusty grotto]

you dont use it to SS

you use it to IP, you need a separate bind for SS, which you hit regularly

[frosty mango]

You would use that macro to replace your ignore pain button - but you don’t use it to replace shield slam

[dusky canopy]

You add shield slam to your ip bind so that you snipe resets that happen faster than you could react otherwise because you’re already in the process of doing the ignore pain keystroke
You still have a separate keybind for just shield slam

[solid sun]

Keystroke deez

[frosty mango]

And that works because ignore pain is not on the gcd, so you can technically press both buttons at the same time

[sharp merlin]

Mouse up and down

Nah don’t do that 😂

[frosty mango]

But you do not want to use it to replace shield slam as a button because you will rage starve yourself

[fleet sun]

Ok that makes sense, thank you

[vagrant merlin]

which hero talent tree is currently doing more dmg on M+? Colossus or thane?

[fleet sun]

Thane

[lusty grotto]

thane only with 4pc

if you dont have 4pc, you go colossus

that also includes remix

[potent wren]

Hey fellas

[potent wren]

It was said that it is a protection meta again, is that true?

[lusty grotto]

shrug

we're not here to analyze the meta

this is a protection warrior channel to answer questions about the class

you can find out that info in raider.io or something like that

[lofty warren]

In remix are there any cosmetics locked behind higher difficulty? Like I'm only lvl 30ish and bought all the cosmetics I wanted

[lusty grotto]

but yes there is shit locked behind achievements, you can literally see it on the vendor

turn on your monitor

and read

[lofty warren]

A lot say "available something something" is that like a time gated phase or behind achieve?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[grizzled nova]

time gated

blizzard is opening the raids piecemeal, some of the cosmetics/mounts aren't avaiable until their respective raid tier is available

[lofty warren]

Thx. Also found this list where some cosmetics are behind quest line and other bs completion too https://www.wowhead.com/guide/legion-remix-rewards-mounts-transmog

[jaunty musk]

What is ideal % for vers for a 30 in remix anyone know?

[toxic gyro]

~70%

[jaunty musk]

cool ty

[solid sun]

When you’re progging a boss and wipes tend to be like 2-4 minutes in

Do y’all swap off brand

[lusty grotto]

no

cause your prog kill will be 4+ mins anyway

[solid sun]

Okie dokes

[covert pagoda]

trying to learn prot warrior on remix and confused on which guide i should be following

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck

[covert pagoda]

you seem nice

[coarse bay]

To learn prot warrior, read the regular wowhead guide. On the wowhead guide is a remix guide that offers a build to use in remix

[covert pagoda]

thank you!

[sharp merlin]

When dinars come out, would you recommend boots over brand or vice versa?

[lusty grotto]

no

[sharp merlin]

I’m not having issues surviving, but I haven’t hit 19s yet

I prob won’t hit 19s 😂 my pre-made is struggling with 16s atm and I’m the only one seemingly interested in trying to at least get 17 resi when we’re not playing

[coarse bay]

I dont think dinar recommendations will be made until dinars come out

[lusty grotto]

we can talk about them

but boots just dont go over anything

they are dead last if anything

and only myth tracks

hero tracks are not worth a dinar

the only item worth a dinar @ hero track is strictly brand

the rest aren't worth

if you dont raid: hero brand, myth pacemaker/tome, and lastly whatever piece youre missing @ myth track

if you have cleared myth hunters then: myth brand, myth antenna, myth boots

mix and match depending on what you've cleared

[lofty warren]

Can you buy myrhic non trinkets with dinars without raiding?

[lusty grotto]

no

did you not play last dinar?

[lofty warren]

I did but I was hoping it changed

[lusty grotto]

unless they make a change, then no

and no change has been announced

[lofty warren]

Ur saying that instead of getting 2x myrhic trinkets I should get a hero brand for dinars as nonraid?

[lusty grotto]

thats pretty much the only item you want with hero track yes

everything else = no

[lofty warren]

Wild that it as a hero item is still better than all other mythic trinkets

[lusty grotto]

its a very good trinket

[sharp merlin]

Are the first two bosses on Mythic easy?

[lusty grotto]

first one isn't a push over

[lofty warren]

If I say f that and just get 2x myrhic trinkets how much worse am I in m+ compared to getting heroic brand?

[lusty grotto]

2nd one, which is soulbinder in mythic is very easy

[coarse bay]

Pugging makes plexus feel like a prog every time

[lusty grotto]

loomi is 3rd

in mythic

and its a step up

and every boss after is a step up

except for fractilus

[lusty grotto]

dunno im doing fine without a brand so far

but i wouldn't sleep on dropping a dinar on a hero track version

[lofty warren]

On wowhead there are 4 in s tier and 2 are m+

[lusty grotto]

yes

[coarse bay]

Theyre all good

[lusty grotto]

and i mentioned both

[lofty warren]

Is brand is that much better shouldn't it be like higher tier

[lusty grotto]

no

because if it was, youd get it on a champ track or lower

and thats not the case

[lofty warren]

Hero brand > mythic tome when I would treat brand as S and tome as a

[lusty grotto]

hero track or better only

[coarse bay]

Maybe if you only had a single trinket slot it would be ranked different idk

[lusty grotto]

the reason why im saying use a dinar on hero track is because the other two you can farm in 6+

you only have 1 shot at brand a week

pacemaker and tome, you have unlimited tries

so why would you drop a dinar on those

specifically at hero track

its not that brand is so far ahead, is that the others you can reliably farm

[lofty warren]

But with dinars the question becomes "what are the best 2 trinkets you can equip for mythic + without having the ability to buy mythic brand?"

[lusty grotto]

hero brand

[lofty warren]

Aka you can buy myrhix tome and pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

yes

those only require resil 12

[coarse bay]

You could even get all 3, idk what else youll want with dinars, maybe antenna

[lusty grotto]

not at hero track you dont

not when you have a myth pace

[coarse bay]

Oh ya not hero

[lofty warren]

What do the sim m+ results look like with hero brand + myrhic tome or pacemaker vs myrhic tome and pacemaker?

Ik simming m+ is always a questionable topic which is why I ask

[lusty grotto]

it sims exactly what im recommending you buy

im not sure what youre trying to get out of these questions

i gave you a tl;dr isnt that what you like? tier lists?

[lofty warren]

Ohh in the past I did a sim and it was like really close but it didnt align with the recommended thing so they said to run sim again bc it was margin of error results for me when I ran it again it gave results that matched recommended

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[sharp merlin]

Crests uncapped next week?

[lusty grotto]

21st

[coarse bay]

21st

[sharp merlin]

Mother…

[lusty grotto]

so yes next week

or in 2 resets

[lofty warren]

Good sir can I look at the sim results I want to see if its like +0.1% or +5%

[sharp merlin]

There really is so need to rush start of season

[coarse bay]

It doesnt feel as bad if you stay caught up

[lusty grotto]

here you go, 5 target

single target

[sharp merlin]

So many people who had hopes to push this season, I know, are already burnt out

[lusty grotto]

so again

tl;dr (IF YOU DONT RAID):

1. Hero Brand
2. Myth Pacemaker
3. Myth Tome

if you have any of them, slap a myth idol in

that's it

end of story

[lofty warren]

Brand looks like the best one

And cursed idol too. Wowhead only says idol is a+ tier

[coarse bay]

You cant block during the channel

Kinda cursed

[lusty grotto]

the reason why idol isnt higher is that you cant block while channeling

so it requires you to "know how to play"

and its only good in high AOE

[lofty warren]

Cant block gtfo

[coarse bay]

Ive gotten myth idol on multiple of my tanks, and i hate using it

[lusty grotto]

i would love to have it for vault keys

but i aint dropping a dinar on it

[lofty warren]

End of orange for antena in 5 targets is still longer than myrhix pacemaker or am I reading it wrong?

[lusty grotto]

have you used an antenna?

[lofty warren]

No

[lusty grotto]

cause if you dont grab the orbs, its not gonna do that much

[coarse bay]

Youd also want myth one to be better than pace myth

[lusty grotto]

and the orbs are pretty fucking hard to see in keys

yeah Cammy is correct

[lofty warren]

Omg is it like monk bubble that you have to run over to get effect? Fckkkk that

[coarse bay]

They come to you, but sometimes u gotta move a little

[lusty grotto]

kind of, they slowly gravitate towrads you

[coarse bay]

And if youre moving/pulling you can leave orbs behind

[lusty grotto]

pacemaker is much much easier to use

by a mile

[lofty warren]

Yea nty. I guess hero brand and pacemaker it is.

[sharp merlin]

Wait you have to grab the orb?

TIL 😂

[lofty warren]

I already have myrhoc pacemaker so that's kind of a waist I can only buy 1 item that benefits me

[frosty mango]

liquid armory has better trinket sims imo

[coarse bay]

You can get options and change them around, not locked to just 2 trinkets