protection

[round pendant]

so I'm just done

[strong forum]

When looking for end boss pugs

Apply to groups where leader has CE or 6/8M

[round pendant]

They won't take me cause I haven't even done it yet myself lmao

[strong forum]

Bah, just have ilvl

And 3k+ score

That should be plenty

[frosty mango]

Just find a guild doing it

Join their group

You don’t need to be in a guild

I find guild groups with pug slots open most tuesdays

[round pendant]

last week I was 5/8

joined a guild group, they kicked everyone after we killed 6th

joined another guild group for saladbar, same thing

lmao

but yeah my issue is that I'm not familiar with p2 or p3 dimensius

and I really cba finally getting a good enough group just for me to fuck up and then go back to square 1

[frosty mango]

Have you used Warcraft made easy

[solid sun]

Is that for raids, too?

[frosty mango]

I mean people meme on them but it is a very good way to get into that type of content in a structured mostly not-toxic way

Yes

[solid sun]

For some reason I assumed that was just m+

[frosty mango]

Yeah they run raids

[harsh trellis]

Is there a way on raider IO to filter prot warrior runs at a certain key level?

I want to see routes people are using

[round pendant]

https://mythistone.com/pages/routes

you can try this site

I've not used it and I'm pretty sure it's vibe coded slop

[sinful copper]

Yeah I use them for m+ when I gear my alts. They're pretty chill

[solid sun]

I don't feel any motivation to play alts and learn dps specs because it's all changing so much next expansion lol

[warm plinth]

Tank for my alts ezpz

[solid sun]

lol

ez

[warm plinth]

My alt is like 3.2k almost though

We doing 15s bois

[solid sun]

Your alt is higher than my main

[warm plinth]

It's higher than my main too kek

[solid sun]

is your hunter the alt

[warm plinth]

yeah

[sinful copper]

Tears falling for dr nerfs

[warm plinth]

I don't play DR anyway so I'm good XD

[solid sun]

OH

dark ranger

I was like what in tarnation are we talking about rn

[nocturne spindle]

wew

finally hit 6 overall

but its cheating cause priory

[undone beacon]

Question

Do people pull the architect pack at the bottom of the steps by duo into boss

Or was this a fluke

[lusty grotto]

in lower keys sure

in higher keys no

[undone beacon]

I dont even know how it happened

[lusty grotto]

wait

[undone beacon]

I blame the dk

[lusty grotto]

INTO the boss?

LMAO

[undone beacon]

in the MIDDLE of the boss

[lusty grotto]

yeah no i thought you were talking about "on the way" to the boss

[undone beacon]

lmfao yeahhh somehow we managed to snag that pack in the middle of the fight lmao

Honestly was kinda turbo efficient

[lusty grotto]

why blame the DK

when its very likely the ret's fault

sending the dumb divine storm in that direction

ive had it happen on HoA

[nocturne spindle]

No

[lusty grotto]

where the houndmaster under gets pulled up

[nocturne spindle]

It's actually the dk

There something they can press that glitchy pulls that pack

[lusty grotto]

i havent watched the vid its stilll loading for me

[nocturne spindle]

Not like them being stupid

Like it's a bug

I didn't either

I just know it's a thing with architect and duo boss

[lusty grotto]

i mean breath can pull

[nocturne spindle]

Yea it might just be breath

But it can pull like even with them just on the boss arena

[undone beacon]

In the clip it looks like the DK does a frost wave thing

through the wall towards the pack

I mean we killed the pack and timed the key no issue, just a 14 so

Architect didnt do shit cuz it never got LOS on anyone to nail em

[lusty grotto]

oh

thats just empowered rune spenders

[late surge]

Does veteran proc not care for ignore pain?

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

for the heal amp?

no

since its technically a partial absorb

and has a cap

[late surge]

here 21 eco dome. im 85% HP and my ignore pain is at 75%. I proc through wall here.

so in this scenario does it matter at all whether I have ignore pain up or not? would the result be the same at full ignore pain or none?

[lusty grotto]

IP is a partial absorb

its not a full absorb

and it comes last

on the damage check

DR first so both wall and BSV

and whats left is whatever you cannot block or armor mit

thats what IP mits

at a cap

at a bsv proc i dont think it would matter but you still use it cause you want to spend rage

so hopefully that answers your question

[late surge]

okay so since wall was not enough to prevent dipping below 30% hp it procced veteran. it would've procced regardless of ignore pain level since iIP is calculated after the proc already.

correct?

[lusty grotto]

oh i understand what youre asking now

yeah it doesnt care about IP to proc usually

[late surge]

yeah that was the question. thanks for the answer.

[rancid hemlock]

Do we use revenge in 3+ targets over non-procced shield slam and thunderclap(not thunderblast)? I feel like im doing something wrong

[lusty grotto]

no

target amounts dont matter for revenge its dead last in prio

you only use it if SS or TC/TB are on cd

and if the mobs dont have deep wounds

you never use it outside those 2 cases which are pretty minimal

[rancid hemlock]

That is what I thought

[frosty mango]

Your ui gives me heartburn

Seeing overlapping ui elements makes my ocd intensify

[carmine spade]

anyone know the new chat tech with the big icons?

[vital vale]

and yet he's the one doing 21s. we should be asking him questions not the other way around

[frosty mango]

his ui making me OCD has no correlation to his skill

if youre doing 21s you could probably play on an etch a sketch and be better than 99% of the community

[vital vale]

who knows, maybe that's the secret

[late surge]

im ngl 99% of the community won't like my UI 😂

[frosty mango]

yeah well like he said you're doing 21s so we can sit out here and convulse while you lap us

[lusty grotto]

key level doesnt matter, ui is subjective

people are allowed to dislike

and he is alowed to like his own thing

so your take is cooked

[round pendant]

the fuck?

can you at least set up the nameplates so they don't overlap with buffs

[frosty mango]

Don’t worry

Blizzard will solve this problem for us in 60-90 days

[severe olive]

any tips for tanking big mama? Im getting wrecked by her

[sharp merlin]

SR and wall every tank buster

SR is your best friend

[shrewd grove]

This UI is cooked af but it's very easy to see why it's built this way, at least. It makes sense, it's just ugly as a one eyed chihuahua

[ionic fern]

Arms?

[paper stump]

Make sure you have slam max stacked at all times. Also, I would always hold shield wall for her tank buster and shield charge aswell. If anything else, IP and other defs timing your rotation.

[sharp merlin]

Was doing dawn 15 last night and the party lead proceeded to aim the orb at the wall and blamed the tank and heal. Anyone in pugs even enjoy playing this game?

Even if you time keys everyone just feels bitter 😂

[sinful copper]

It's not too bad. U either play as DPS and wait an hour in queue to brick key in first pull, or u play tank and get to do keys constantly and have fun

U have higher chance to time keys if you're actually a good tank too

So u get more reps in with higher success rate

[sharp merlin]

Oh trust me, it’s fine for me, I play with a pre-made who push

Just when I pug, everyone just seems angry and hate the game 😂

[severe olive]

@sharp merlin @paper stump thanks boys

[fervent thorn]

They shoulda ran far far away, their own fault tbh

/s

[paper stump]

Man pug life is a disaster. I think I perviously mentioned if am super lucky I will get 1 good group player out of 10-15 runs. Never had a premade in my whole life playing this game since 2005, but I dont care cus i always have been a casual player and AOTC / 3k+ are enough for me.

[fathom oasis]

Less skilled players are progressing further and further by virtue of brute forcing the keys

We are at that point in the season

Many good players are also likely just chilling and waiting for turbo/crest cap removal

[paper stump]

In my humble experience through the years and at the start of every season, good players will start pushing immediately ( premades / great solo players with tons of experience and high rio joining some 2s and 3s premade) and both gonna get so get so high in a way they wont look down to lower keys (14s / 15s / 16s). Here we get the next round of less good players where they try to push and see some silly deaths / not playing mechs right / 0 kicks …. Etc. in the past few years i started this methodology where i play couple of classes I really enjoy and have fun with (not following the meta) and its hard for me to push them as the solo class players. in conclusion, if you do not catch the first train, you will end up with those 2nd or maybe 3rd raw players which I am suffering from.

[sharp merlin]

What spec are you playing?

[paper stump]

Prot thane

Used to be fury. And it is my first time trying prot war just this season and first time playing war was back in DF S4 sonce 2005 playing wow 😁

[vital vale]

those are the most enjoyable parts of pug life ngl

I love the circus feel

its like opening a loot crate

premades get too samey

for my taste

[paper stump]

Man i dont have the time to spend a whole day trying to time a key. Its no fun at all.

[sharp merlin]

Oh 100%, I also think it makes you a better tank

cause you see a world where 'shit happens' and makes you react to shit happening

[vital vale]

yeah and also i don't mind being blamed when I know for a fact its not my fault

makes it funnier

I wouldnt enjoy it as much if getting into a group took forever tho, but since im a tank

the blunders just add to the experience

[paper stump]

“ Time is of the essence “ i love this phrase since the beginning of time playing wow. When you get to 40s and have RL stuff you will know its not fun anymore.

[vital vale]

its not about time its about managing expectations my friend

we all have RL stuff

but if you queue expecting nothing you will not see a disband as a time loss

if every key was a smooth win, I think m+ would be boring 😎

[paper stump]

So whats the point of playing a game? Its to have fun and achiev something / enjoy chilling with friends (maybe) . If youre not doing anything mentioned above then why wasting time? I agree with you that we expect something might go wrong / some challenges would occur, but not spending a whole day going over and over and over to time a key / fill a vault.

[fathom oasis]

If every key was timed it would mean there is no difficulty to it. The sense of accomplishment comes from actually achieving something

Also, filling a vault takes a whole 3 hours tops

Which isn't that much if you spread it over a week

Less so if you already timed some higher keys that week

[paper stump]

The reason i get frustrated and the feel of wasting time is because i play with 4 chars that I enjoy every single one of them and they all at 3.2k+-. I wanna spend minimal time to get them all having vault slots /raid. On the other hand, got my real life stuff 9 hours a day at work, wife, kids… its all around.

[sinful copper]

really quickly, how hard does mystic lash hit for on mythic?

[paper stump]

413208 arcane damage

[fathom oasis]

If you just wanna fill vaults, that's about 3 hours per character (and that's assuming younget into groups quickly). If you have such a busy life maybe maintaining 4 characters just doesnt align with the time allotment you have

[paper stump]

What can I say, I am a gamer and it seems I always will be. I just enjoy this game for a long time. But you are right, I could just take it easy and go stressless.

[sinful copper]

ok yeah that did like no damage. shield wall + spell reflect with some IP for each mystic lash and my health bar didnt even move. i was worried for nothing

[paper stump]

Dont be as long as you guys swap each 6 stacks .

[lyric summit]

N -> Prot
It's the best arms build

[ionic fern]

It does have arms..so can't argue with that.

[fathom oasis]

Mythic Soulbinder is widely regarded as pretty much just another Heroic difficulty boss

Fwiw

[queen bobcat]

So I realized that the prot APL is very out of date (stuff like old barbaric training in it) and decided to write a new one and did a lot of testing. It's not really a major gain in ST but it's pretty big in AoE (~10% dmg increase on 5 boss sim). Try it out, if you like.

actions.precombat+=/battle_stance,toggle=on

actions=auto_attack
actions+=/charge,if=time=0
actions+=/use_item,name=tome_of_lights_devotion,if=buff.inner_resilience.up
actions+=/use_items
actions+=/avatar,if=buff.thunder_blast.down|buff.thunder_blast.stack<=2
actions+=/shield_wall,if=talent.immovable_object.enabled&buff.avatar.down
actions+=/blood_fury
actions+=/berserking
actions+=/arcane_torrent
actions+=/lights_judgment
actions+=/fireblood
actions+=/ancestral_call
actions+=/bag_of_tricks
actions+=/potion,if=buff.avatar.up|buff.avatar.up&target.health.pct<=20
actions+=/ignore_pain,if=rage.deficit<=20
actions+=/last_stand,if=(target.health.pct>=90&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|target.health.pct<=20&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled)|talent.bolster.enabled|set_bonus.tier30_2pc|set_bonus.tier30_4pc
actions+=/ravager
actions+=/demoralizing_shout,if=talent.booming_voice.enabled
actions+=/champions_spear
actions+=/demolish,if=buff.colossal_might.stack>=3
actions+=/thunderous_roar
actions+=/shield_charge
actions+=/shield_block,if=(buff.shield_block.remains<=10&rage>=60|buff.shield_block.remains<=4)
actions+=/call_action_list,name=generic

actions.generic=thunder_blast,if=(buff.thunder_blast.stack=2&buff.burst_of_power.stack<=1)|buff.severe_thunder.up
actions.generic+=/shield_slam,if=(buff.burst_of_power.stack=2&buff.thunder_blast.stack<=1|buff.violent_outburst.up&active_enemies<=2)|rage<=70&talent.demolish.enabled
actions.generic+=/execute,if=talent.heavy_handed.enabled&active_enemies<=7|active_enemies<=3&(rage>=60|(rage>=50&cooldown.shield_slam.remains)|buff.sudden_death.up)
actions.generic+=/thunder_blast,if=spell_targets.thunder_blast>=3&buff.violent_outburst.up
actions.generic+=/shield_slam
actions.generic+=/thunder_blast
actions.generic+=/revenge,if=buff.revenge.up
actions.generic+=/thunder_clap
actions.generic+=/revenge,if=active_enemies*0.75>active_dot.deep_wounds
actions.generic+=/execute
actions.generic+=/revenge
actions.generic+=/devastate

[fervent dune]

may i respectfully ask how you guys approach this part of the dungeon if the healer doesnt dispell? what ways do we have to cleanse the slow from the drones? Avatar and leaping out of the circles?

[paper stump]

In my way, I would take the prio target along either both sides + 1st drones patrol. Once prio target is down i will take the right pack clap and start moving/ leaping to the left side along with the 2nd pack of drones patrol and get packs as needed and move on.

After all, play with what you comfortable with and evaluate your team to know what can you pull and whats not and of course keep an eye on your team’s GCDs.

[fervent dune]

Is this generated by AI?

chatgpt ass response lmfao

[paper stump]

?

[torn gulch]

if the healer does not dispell then he is inting and if you die after you used leap once then the problem is his

[viscid lantern]

worst trash ever

[torn gulch]

tbh is more manageable than season 1 arakara

there you were locked at 3 stacks and only things that removed roots worked

using avatar as a root removal was kekw

[round pendant]

Don't give us anti-clankers a bad name by accusing anyone who says something that doesn't make sense of using chatgpt

[untold tangle]

God dammit I thought I did something wrong on that part of the dungeon and should be able to avoid the slow debuff stacking too high, but turns out it's not my fault.

[lyric summit]

You do another route

I ain't ever done that part of the dungeon

[cosmic olive]

Hey, I have not been on in a long time. Just redid some of my action bars to bring the gaps in. Trying to figure out where all the banners are at?

[shut summit]

in mop classic

[kind urchin]

There are no banners

[fathom oasis]

actually true lmao

[cosmic olive]

Okay, what do I want to use in replacement of the missing 4 banners? Also cannot find Bezerking stance on Prot. (playing retail)

[fathom oasis]

sir, can i interest you on reading one of the pinned guides in the #protection-faq channel:
Wowhead Protection Guide
Icy Veins Protection Guide

[frosty mango]

Wtb better meme roster

In seriousness you don’t replace them. Those skills have all been pruned

-# thank god they left spell reflect /s

[undone beacon]

Make sure you bind spell block

[cosmic olive]

I've not played since legion was on endgame

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[cosmic olive]

bind?

[undone beacon]

good news legion remix is today

Pick up where you left off and play more legion

[cosmic olive]

Yeah, not building up another one just to start over without the legendaries this guy has had

[undone beacon]

Good thing legendaries in both modes are useless!

#bringbacktimelessstratagem

[fathom oasis]

imagine having last played vanilla warrior and trying to adapt those binds to the mop skillset

[cosmic olive]

They really removed a lot of ways to generate threat..

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1412494540849414258/image.png?ex=68b87f8d&is=68b72e0d&hm=5d270068a12d1c4021dc742da1c0de96ac84e7d8869e05d6bfa87212f0934f29&

[undone beacon]

Did y'all know heroic leap resets taunt CD

gaming

who is ready to remix on they legion

[unreal yarrow]

Threat is not really a major issue nowadays

[jolly bough]

First boss in ara kara, do you try to move boss near eggs or no? I read about the cleaving but pugs just train spiders onto boss then i get yelled at lol

[little ermine]

yes, it's too big of a loss not to do it, if everyone stands betweend the boss and the eggs, it's ok

[undone beacon]

The most efficient way to do it is get boss decently close to eggs and have EVERYONE stand between boss and eggs, so spiders never reach boss. However pugs are dumb and dont respect it half the time

Its kind of a hard pass/fail mechanic check lol

[jolly bough]

At least its early in the dungeon

[dusky canopy]

I would do it the efficient way people should be expected to learn that by now honestly

[plush tendon]

post a route and make it the title

its what I do for all my dungeons

like my Dawnbreaker route is called "we are doing trash during third boss intermission! Follow me!'

or my Halls Route is "Dont Interrupt 3rd boss; Spell Reflect Stonks!!"

[frosty mango]

This way also lets you do fat thunder blast dps

You can basically solo a pack of adds with good procs and avatar

Though the mage in my key last night doing eight million dps on that boss was ruining all my fun

Some people, I tell ya

[undone beacon]

what a jerk

[dusky canopy]

Wow 8 million!

Mediocre

[solid sun]

I had a situation where the spiderlings could target my BM hunter’s pets

So I had to turn the boss so that the pets were next to the spiders which meant I couldn’t do fat thunder blasts

[tardy sequoia]

playing on higher keys has exposed me on a misplay habit I have, I mean on the first dungeon pull, which is usually big and involves getting 4-5 packs, sometimes either I can't keep aggro and someone dies or I die before getting aggro of all packs (example on a wider area like the first pull of floodgate). to avoid this, is it ok to pull walk / chain pull instead of running from one pack to another?

[plush tendon]

which pull specifically are we referring to

[solid sun]

I think different pulls get handled in different ways tbh

I don’t handle the first pull of floodgate in the same manner that I orchestrate the first pull of AK

[plush tendon]

you pull this fast

you dont chain this

[tardy sequoia]

like, mounted or by leap?

[nocturne spindle]

Leap

[tardy sequoia]

ok and then on a say +13 drop immediately a shield wall?

[nocturne spindle]

The trick to it is kinda that the (in picture) top left and bottom left groups just slowly walk into the group

[plush tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMquaeeQNTA&t=1333s

[nocturne spindle]

You don't have to go out of your way to try and get them just make sure to have a clap or roar when they get to you

[plush tendon]

watch the first 30 seconds

thatll give you a idea of how it should be done

[tardy sequoia]

ok i'll tell my mates to wait till I get aggro?

[plush tendon]

they should wait before sending regardless

their dps will increase if they start sending damage once things are grouped

[tardy sequoia]

cause i'm pugging my way, its a bit harder than premade xD

[plush tendon]

if a pug dies because of aggro while you gather, thats a them problem

[solid sun]

And don’t let ‘em gaslight you

[plush tendon]

its whatever, just continue the pull

[tardy sequoia]

sometimes it still happen, not a lot but sometimes happens

like "tank wouldn't you mind keeping aggro?" and then disband cause chain dying

[plush tendon]

you also have challenging shout

regardless, just watch how Kira does it and practice it

should be very fluid once you get comfortable

you can also send a SW while you gather

[tardy sequoia]

yeah but I literally don't have time, sometimes they just attack immediately.. but yes I guess it's their fault nonetheless

[tardy sequoia]

yeah will do, thanks

[plush tendon]

again, thats a them problem

[dusky canopy]

If you are only heroic throwing one mob in a pack and running off to the next to gather and a dps starts to attack the first pack and they get aggro and die

That’s them being stupid

Don’t sweat that

[tardy sequoia]

no i'm still grouping the mobs while leaping, by the time i'm coming back they already have aggro of the first pack

[plush tendon]

the leap is just to get over the wall

[dusky canopy]

You could try to play around it by adjusting how you gather but still like mentioned above the dps need to be patient if you’re pulling 4 packs like that

[tardy sequoia]

mounted is a nono right? even if fast

what are the risks? dying immediately?

[dusky canopy]

I don’t like mounted gathering

Healer always gets threat instantly

[finite lava]

Can someone explain how to pull packs efficiently, like floodgate first pull. As a noob

[tardy sequoia]

i find mounted good when the route is long, like on sacred flame or ara kara

[unreal yarrow]

A youtuber named topicx has a few really good videos on how to do first pulls. It helped me a ton.

[plush tendon]

again, If I were you, I would literally watch how top tanks do first pulls

and emulate

like, the answer sheet is right there on youtube

see what they pull, what buttons they press

and if you need to slow it down a bit, do that

[finite lava]

thanks

[plush tendon]

mounted pulling is risky

since you arent generating any threat, healer will prob get aggro if they have hots on

a good way around this is using shocking disclosure potion

[unreal yarrow]

Can't dodge or block when mounted either, right?

I could be making that up

[warm plinth]

The only time you can even remotely start a pull mounted is ara kara

[plush tendon]

another good idea is in that first pull, stop at X

[warm plinth]

Any other pull is just going to destroy you

[plush tendon]

establish threat before moving onto the big guy

[warm plinth]

Realistically if you stop there, you might as well stay there. The top mobs won't even be there for you to get threat on by the time most of it is dead

[unreal yarrow]

I've been dismounting there at the '1' then leaping to the 'x'

[plush tendon]

for a 12, its probably safest to just do in 2 pulls

[warm plinth]

Either plan to stop there or go all the way

[plush tendon]

but in a 18, those little dudes are still really healthy

and no one is sending any dps

soooo

[warm plinth]

I can't imagine dps are twiddling their thumbs while you thunder clap for 20 seconds

[plush tendon]

can also do this

[plush tendon]

im not standing there for 20 seconds

but its worth to slow it down

give the mage a second to poly his mob, get aggro off healer then go

by establish threat, I just mean making sure people are safe enough to get into position

and that the mobs arent just meleeing someone to death

heck, in a 17 we had someone fall off and we waited for them before going XD

the last thing you want to do is make a made sprint to the miniboss, have his casts start, have attendent casting, healer getting meleed by little mobs and dps still getting their footing

[toxic sierra]

I would like to know what are the ideal configurations for distributing secondary attributes, is there anything about this here, my dear friends?
Including at what point it is no longer worth investing in Haste.

[undone beacon]

[undone beacon]

Only sims can tell you that is it varies on the gear you're wearing

There is no "ideal configuration"

[tribal wharf]

dont you guys just hate it when you need a keyboard and there it is but its imprisoned by green lightning
||(im going to smack you if you say it is doom)||

[toxic sierra]

Nice! What about the haste CAP?

[coarse sable]

Guys any advices for big pulls like first ara kara, priory or eco dome? To get good Aggro on the run and dont die

[undone beacon]

There is no reachable haste cap. Past a certain point you get DR but theres no a reachable cap

[undone beacon]

Leverage thunderous roar, disrupting shout, heroic throw, etc. Pop defensives as needed like Shield Wall. If DPS attack while you gather thats on them

[warm plinth]

Sims can and will have you deviate from haste sooner than you should; be aware of that.

[dusky canopy]

It’s doom

[harsh trellis]

Also you may want to use ravager instead of the passive.

[undone beacon]

You want to aim for 21k-23k haste rating (depending on who you ask) so you can swap from HR to ITF but past that, its all sims all the time

[toxic sierra]

I've been playing with 24k Haste. But I see logs from the global top players, they play with 26/28, I'm missing that because there are times when I lose my shield. I'm closing my resil 18.

[warm plinth]

@coarse sable to add on to this, be clear about what pull you're doing before the key starts

[harsh trellis]

And your job, is always the fear on the spider

thats it

[tribal wharf]

technically, its powerslaved: exhumed

[harsh trellis]

above all else

[warm plinth]

You'll always have micro gaps if you chain pull, but it shouldn't be more than a second or two

[tribal wharf]

egyptian build engine

[warm plinth]

We can't get enough haste realistically to not ever have gaps

(unless you're playing Heavy Repercussions, but you lose a ton of damage using that talent if you don't have to)

[undone beacon]

Or you take a hit to your damage and run Heavy Repercussions

[toxic sierra]

Use mouseover for Taunt and Heroic Throw; it helps a lot. My key tip is to avoid using your avatar to chain Thunder Claps; you need it to tank the big starter pack!

[harsh trellis]

Also what key are you running?

[toxic sierra]

I had a habit of using my avatar to perform Thunder Clap sequences. This was breaking my damage output and making it very difficult to tank early on for big pulls.

[warm plinth]

What do you mean thunder clap sequences? You should be fine using Avatar during the gathering of a pull

[toxic sierra]

I was using my avatar to secure Thunder Clap sequences to spawn Threat on mobs scattered around the room. This is really bad! After I stopped doing this, my performance improved significantly.

[frosty mango]

+1 This is really good advice

[warm plinth]

idk what you mean by thunder clap sequences

Like you can press other buttons besides TC during Avatar

[frosty mango]

I’m generally not a big video guy but watching specific pulls and movement/directionality can be helpful

[frosty mango]

There’s nothing wrong with sending avatar to get blasts up for long pull chains - for example the first pull of priory

[harsh trellis]

topicx is pretty fun to watch

[coarse sable]

Im new to warri but on my pala I do 16/17

[frosty mango]

You will still have roar and procs for sustain threat

[median gazelle]

Hi, help me find a WeakAura that shows in the chat or somehow else that I pressed Reflect.

[warm plinth]

And Avatar will recover quickly with proper play

[frosty mango]

Don’t waste your time it won’t matter

[warm plinth]

You can find one on wago I imagine, but it's not really useful. People don't read chat during keys

[frosty mango]

But if you want one just go to wago.io and search spell reflect, there are many

[warm plinth]

Even if they do, it's easy to miss among all the addon messages

[harsh trellis]

You can press spell reflect and pugs will kick

so

[jagged pier]

just play around their intuprts

[unreal yarrow]

You could just macro /say something with your spell reflect

[jagged pier]

that what i do

[jagged pier]

they dont care

[frosty mango]

I can say in discord “don’t kick” and they will still kick so I just wait until they’re on cd lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah, same. Just watch their interrupts. When they don't have kick, you use SR

[jagged pier]

they will still kick

[harsh trellis]

You can press spell reflect in floodgate on the flamethrowers and they cant kick that 🙂

[undone beacon]

I'd just be happy to be seeing pugs kick

[frosty mango]

Shroëdingers kicks

[warm plinth]

I also use it at the last second so I can at least try to hold it if someone kicks late

[frosty mango]

They don’t kick when you tell them do

They do kick when you tell them not to

8 hour maint, what’s the chances midnight was vibe coded

[jagged pier]

well and maint is for turbo and legion remix

[warm plinth]

They used copilot to help

[jagged pier]

i dont think midnight being vibe coded would matter

[warm plinth]

But yeah, legion remix is pretty big I guess

Would be surprised if it was actually 8 hours

[undone beacon]

more like legion peemix

haha gottem

[harsh trellis]

legion remix is the new wow killer

[warm plinth]

We get it in 5 hours, then we beta test for 3 hours for EU

[jagged pier]

its got too many end game tmogs in it

the cloaks espically

[undone beacon]

its got housing items

i need

[unreal yarrow]

The new end game

[harsh trellis]

whut?

legion remix has housing what?

[undone beacon]

Housing items. For player housing

Decorations

[warm plinth]

It does?

[undone beacon]

Yee

[harsh trellis]

I missed that

[warm plinth]

That's weird as shit

[harsh trellis]

yeah

thats really strange

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-details-housing-decor-rewards-from-legion-remix-378701

[harsh trellis]

dont go posting truth

[warm plinth]

That's so fuckin weird lol

[harsh trellis]

let us speculate

[undone beacon]

Its mostly riders on achievements lol

[warm plinth]

riders?

[undone beacon]

stop questioning all the words i use dammit

Additional rewards lol

[warm plinth]

I see

[undone beacon]

Same way they're adding stuff to legacy content. You have this achieve that gave a title? Well NOW it ALSO gives a chair

[jagged pier]

thats not weird at all, thats how housing is gunna work

tbh

[warm plinth]

Sure but unlocking things for content that doesn't exist yet is weird

[undone beacon]

I mean, housing drops dec 2, during legion remix so

./shrug

gonna fill my house with legion torture racks and cages

[frosty mango]

For as much as player housing is touted as a big thing

It’s been in ff14 forever and no one gives a shit

I expect wow will be similar, novel then nothing

If they can get it integrated into guilds really well I do think that would be awesome

[undone beacon]

I think its gonna be huge for a lot of players but the people who spend their time on spec discords are prob not the target audience

Most of my guild is over the moon for housing

And I would be lying if I said I wasnt super excited

Its nice to have some of the RPG in the MMORPG

[jagged pier]

bro its amssive in FF, and permanantly impossible to get a lot to have a house

there are casinos, parties etc etc

that all happen in FF

[frosty mango]

Yeah I know I play it

[jagged pier]

so something is impossible to get into, is something no one cares about

[undone beacon]

I dont touch FF14 so I have no frame of reference other than stories from Drama Time but im just happy wow is finally doing it

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

But by and large that is a separate community, of people who treat the game like a life simulator, and yeah by and large i would say most people who play are not super passionate about housing

The people who are though are omega into it

And housing scarcity there isn’t really an indicator because the available amount of housing is far less than the amount of players

Which is dumb on square but what are you gonna do

You go to any housing ward in ff14 and unless you’re on Balmung you’ll see no one

Entire wards are ghost towns

[warm plinth]

Yeah housing is not a thing for me. But I can appreciate the cool shit other people make

It's the same for me in survival games where some people build these huge elaborate bases

and mine is like, a one room building with everything crammed into it

[undone beacon]

The nice thing is housing is enough of a seperate entity that if thats how you feel, you never have to touch it

I, however, will spend copious amounts of time in there because im a freakin loser

[frosty mango]

I think it could be super cool in wow

[undone beacon]

And after yelling at a struggling mythic raid team for three hours a night i want to go rearrange some furniture

[frosty mango]

But not if they copy ff

They need to make it alive

[undone beacon]

Hopefully the little community events and stuff will lend themselves to that

[warm plinth]

Anyone know why So'leah starts p2 with not 100% HP sometimes? MS doesn't seem to be the cause...

[frosty mango]

Ive only ever had it happen a few times, when she went into p2 very low

Like people were blasting her before phase

[warm plinth]

Yeah that doesn't seem to track either from the videos I've checked

Like yoda's team in 22 got her to 38.something and she started p2 with 92.1

[frosty mango]

She phases at 40 right?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Another team got her to 35.2 and she started p2 with 95.3

[frosty mango]

My guess is it’s something to do with dots or queued damage bypassing the immune phase but that’s just a theory

[warm plinth]

In my vod, we got her to 35.5 and she started at 100

Yeah, maybe

[frosty mango]

So she “starts” at 100 and then when her health is unlocked it snaps to the expected value

Which should be 100 but some race condition can cause it to go sideways

[warm plinth]

I did try to see if she even flicked at 100% though and she seems to just spawn in with the lowered HP

[solid sun]

The fact that more people want a house but they can’t get it speaks to the popularity of housing

The number of people involved in it would be a lot bigger if there were more houses available

[warm plinth]

That more speaks to the fact that there's just not as many houses as there are players, no?

[solid sun]

It’s not either/or. it’s both/and

[tardy sequoia]

is a rio above 3200 realistically obtainable only pugging or one risks losing his sanity?

[frosty mango]

If you think about it logically the phase would be something like

Boss.damageimmune(true)
Boss.sethealthpercent(100)

But if they reverse that

[frosty mango]

I’m almost 3400 and I really only pug

And I don’t really push too hard

[warm plinth]

I pretty much always play with one friend, so I don't fully pug since I have the one friend. But there have been people who pug title so

[frosty mango]

If you fall behind the curve you will struggle in the 12-14 range towards the latter part of a season

[warm plinth]

That's not to say they remained sane in doing so though

[frosty mango]

For example trying to pug 13s right now is probably not a great experience

[jagged pier]

nah its still about the same chars tbh

in the cutoff

[frosty mango]

Most players who can run that content comfortably are all on resil 15/16 and will just do 10s for weekly so anything between 12-14 range is struggle

Because it’s all of the people who are at the top of their skill ceiling

[warm plinth]

I know a dude who pugged it last season who pugged the whole way. So it does happen. Not saying it's common but he didn't ask if it was common.

If someone can pug title then "above 3200" is definitely realistically obtainable via pugging

[mental scarab]

Except people can’t interrupt

[frosty mango]

3200 is like 13s and 14s that’s not only realistic, it’s common

[warm plinth]

I'm not 3200 quite, and I have all 14s with one 15

I'm like 3197

[mental scarab]

All my prio keys brick for missed kicks

[warm plinth]

Prio is really important to have the right comp

Like more than any other dungeon

If you can't stop the random casts, you will have a lot of trouble

[frosty mango]

If you want an easy priory key bring two death knights

[warm plinth]

And going left in higher keys is probably suicide without some level of coordination

[frosty mango]

Double dk makes left a lot easier and gives you a lot of grips for sharpshooters

Sharpshooters are the number one killer there, not really kicks

But stops

[warm plinth]

idk, I always die to kicks in my level of keys

Either a taener fireball goes off or you get machinegunned by a conjurer or priest

[frosty mango]

Yea but typically that’s a symptom not a cause in priory imo

If you look at the stray deaths almost always it’s a kick combined with a potshot or a shoot

[warm plinth]

Idk, different experiences I guess

[frosty mango]

Taener is taener tho lol

You eat one of those you’re going down

[warm plinth]

yeah even at 14/15 he just 1-shots you

[toxic pewter]

what class u guys playing in remix first

and wat race

[warm plinth]

I'm still trying to decide, but probably will only do one toon regardless

[frosty mango]

I’m not playing remix

[toxic pewter]

?

Legion remix

[warm plinth]

I already have 50 billion toons so leveling more doesn't make much sense.

[toxic pewter]

it starts today

[frosty mango]

It’s not appealing at all, I think there’s something wrong with me

[toxic pewter]

wat in the world

[jagged pier]

your too deep in the m+ world

[frosty mango]

Like objectively I see how it should be fun

[warm plinth]

You don't want to do the world first +80 key Roid?

[toxic pewter]

I cant understand h ow people do m+ literally every week of a season

[frosty mango]

But whenever I try to play it just isn’t lol

[toxic pewter]

theres m+ in legion remix apparently

at least roll 1 character u may like i t

[warm plinth]

Yes, to a ridiculous degree

[frosty mango]

I don’t run many keys, I run 8 a week on my main and then 2-4 on my two alts

And then after turbo I’ll run 2-3 push keys a week

[toxic pewter]

so like what do you do in the main game right now

like what else is there to do BUT remix is way i see it

[warm plinth]

Like there's achievements to do +30 and +40 keys

[frosty mango]

I log on and raid

And then I log off

lol

[toxic pewter]

i see

[warm plinth]

So why do you play? Seems boring

[frosty mango]

I enjoy prog

[warm plinth]

That's fair

So when it stagnates you just maintain

[toxic pewter]

yah at least you know what you like

[warm plinth]

I didn't play MoP remix. I wasn't playing at the time, and probably wouldn't have played anyway since I didn't care for MoP

But I loved Legion so I figure it's worth a shot

[frosty mango]

Yeah basically

I’ll play other games

[warm plinth]

I wanna try dying light: the beast

Looks awesome

[frosty mango]

I played borderlands

[warm plinth]

And I loved the first two games

[frosty mango]

And outer worlds is about to come out

[warm plinth]

Don't forget the other amazing game coming out Roid

Escape Simulator 2

[frosty mango]

So I’ll do turbo boost keys admins try to finish my season out at 3650 ish

And then do outer worlds

[warm plinth]

You mean Escape Simulator 2

I agree

[frosty mango]

[warm plinth]

Hey don't knock it til you try it; the first one was super good

[frosty mango]

Actually farming simulator is coming out with a big update

[warm plinth]

If you like puzzles, it's a fantastic game

and has some great community content too

[solid sun]

My group wants to do at most 8 keys but usually only 4. They only want to raid one night a week for at most 3 hours because they can’t handle more than that. They don’t want to do housing. They don’t PvP. They don’t like the weekly quests like timewalking or pet battles. They don’t like delves

[frosty mango]

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[solid sun]

I’ve come to the realization they just don’t like wow but keep playing it lol

[frosty mango]

I’m waiting for this if it would ever come out

[warm plinth]

It's very common tbh

[frosty mango]

Your friends are just chronic disenjoyers

They do something they don’t enjoy in the name of progress but the lack of enjoyment also impedes progress which just means more lack of enjoyment

This is why I just stop doing content when it stops becoming engaging lol

[warm plinth]

I'm considering another break right now. Hoping remix is fun and tides me over a bit

[frosty mango]

I think a lot of wow players have big fomo because that’s really the psychological lever blizzard puts in front of us

It took me a long time in my life to break that

[warm plinth]

friends aren't playing much, or at least not at the same time as me, so it's not enjoyable. I don't enjoy the game by myself

[solid sun]

We all need to invade pash’s group

It could be the unofficial skyhold guild

[frosty mango]

It’s really an interesting thing to examine psychologically how blizz continues to keep people on the hook when they are clearly not happy or getting enjoyment

They are fomo masters

[warm plinth]

While you're at it, check out the Dead by Daylight playerbase. Those people straight up hate themselves.

and everyone else in the community for that matter

[solid sun]

That game just looks like trash to me lol

I’ve never thought of it as appealing at all

[warm plinth]

It's such a good game, but the community has killed it for me.

[frosty mango]

I mean we all know the people right?

How many of you have heard something like “oh turbo boost, guess I’ll run the same keys 500 more times to upgrade gear I already have”

And then they go do it, despite clearly not wanting to or enjoying it

[warm plinth]

It's gotta be competing with League of Legends levels of toxicity at this point

[solid sun]

I saw my friend’s wife streaming it one evening so I popped in and everyone was bitching about how the killer was playing

Just turned it off lol

[warm plinth]

There are entire genres of YouTube content for DbD that are videos about unhinged players telling other people to off themselves or hoping their kids get cancer. It's insanity.

[frosty mango]

Karma will get those people

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have a couple of friends who are like that. When I play with them, I'm constantly having to be like "they didn't even do what you're mad at them for doing, stfu"

But I haven't played since the end of August and I uninstalled it a few days ago. Just can't deal with it anymore.

Wish it was better because it really is a fun game, but the community is just garbage

[grizzled nova]

Ah yes the cosmic force that makes sure that people who do bad things get whats coming to them, the entirety of recorded human history definitely reaffirms that bad people are always punished for doing bad things.

[plush tendon]

yea, they are weird

werid people all over the place

game is in a great spot; good raid, good M+ season

[warm plinth]

I think they're even right here, among us

coughRoidcough

Weird ass mofo

[strong forum]

[frosty mango]

Well more so in this specific context, those types of people can’t help themselves and eventually they consequences of their actions do come back to get them

[plush tendon]

im so ready for today though

[solid sun]

Yeah lots of weirdos

[plush tendon]

I got my alts ready to hit the gilded achievement

so I can pump up my warrior on a discount

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[solid sun]

I wish we would have killed H Dimmy last week

[grizzled nova]

yeah feels bad if you were close

now you get it for free

[warm plinth]

Oh are the Dimensius nerfs for both heroic and mythic?

[solid sun]

No we won’t

[grizzled nova]

oh h dim nevermind lol

[frosty mango]

Yes you will, I believe

[solid sun]

We will still struggle and I won’t be able to play remix all night collecting my stuff

[frosty mango]

Yes you will

Offline mode exists

[warm plinth]

Truuuue

[frosty mango]

“Sorry can’t raid tonight”
appear offline

[undone beacon]

My remix chars are not joining my guild that’s for sure

[frosty mango]

I appear offline all the time

[solid sun]

lol

[frosty mango]

Very freeing

[solid sun]

Why

[warm plinth]

So how does Remix work? Is it a different server or are the characters just flagged or something?

[undone beacon]

So they can’t pull me out of remix to tank more vault keys

[frosty mango]

“Wanna tank my 7?”
“Sorry can’t at the moment, have some things to do”
appear offline

[warm plinth]

"Sorry, currently tanking a 77 on Remix"

[grizzled nova]

Just a different mode altogether like plunderstorm

[warm plinth]

Oh okay

[frosty mango]

If there was a guild appear offline I’d use that shit too

Daily

[undone beacon]

I’m pretty sure mop remix was on the same servers, just a character flag essentially

Like all mine were on Zul’jin and when the event ended they just were kicked out of remix content

I actually still have mop remix characters I haven’t logged back in to

[warm plinth]

How fast is the leveling is the real question

[undone beacon]

They show up with the time runner icon on the warband screen

[plush tendon]

People still do 7s? (in your guild)

[solid sun]

Yes

[plush tendon]

sorry, meant it more targeted at Roid

[frosty mango]

Yes

[warm plinth]

I'd spam 7s on my alts, if spamming 7s was something that was realistic

[frosty mango]

I only keep my raid char in my raid guild but otherwise I’m in a casual guild

[plush tendon]

ah, got it

[warm plinth]

hero gear and gilded crests with no brain power required

[plush tendon]

I cant do keys below like a 12

even on my fresh alts

its too brainless and legit feels like im going through the motions

and the affix is a nuisance

honestly, tanking some 12 keys on a like a fresh 680 toon

[undone beacon]

All my vault keys are 12s cuz i cant be fucked in 10s

[plush tendon]

so much fun

[grizzled nova]

yeah any xal affix makes me want to end it

Of all the things that blizzard was excessively wrong about "affixes are necessary to keep dungeons fresh!" was the most wrong

[plush tendon]

Im in a CE raiding guild.... and I hate when the raid guildies are just spamming 10s for vault

like, we can be doing 12s (or better yet, lets do some of my resil keys)

I get it, technically the affix makes it faster

but like... come on

https://tenor.com/view/i-mean-come-on-jimmy-valmer-south-park-krazy-kripples-s7e2-gif-22105812

[grizzled nova]

It just messes the timings for everything up, and the one that gives cdr makes me hate the game, and the one that makes you use CC on raz sparks makes me hate myself

[frosty mango]

This is literally me

[warm plinth]

Eh, not everyone can do 12s on alts. Would rather time the dungeon than struggle for the principle of not having an affix

[frosty mango]

Doing 10s for vault with CE geared players is easy tho

[plush tendon]

I did get some guys to do some of my resil keys with me

actually did a 18 Streets with them

the havoc died like 7 times

but we still timed

[frosty mango]

Like we ran 4 10s last week on mains and it took like 20 mins a key

[plush tendon]

if im going to do 10s... you gotta pay me

[frosty mango]

I think I ended priory at like 6.4m dps bc nothing was alive and I pulled like 7 packs at once lol

[solid sun]

I’ll do any key people wanna do

[plush tendon]

yea, damage is so low in low keys

[solid sun]

Maybe I can encourage them to keep gaming

[frosty mango]

I will too within reason

[plush tendon]

you wanna see big overalls? do big keys

so things live

im hoping to get resil 18 done this week

[frosty mango]

But I don’t wanna tank 6s for you for hours on end

[plush tendon]

and start nudging my guildies to try some 18 keys

[frosty mango]

I’ll gladly bring you to my 10

[plush tendon]

since they will be resil

[frosty mango]

In my experience good raiders don’t always make good key runners

[plush tendon]

idc

[frosty mango]

The opposite, actually

[plush tendon]

its resil

let em get reps

and we have a good time

[frosty mango]

Pure raiders are usually tunnelers who don’t kick, I’m always yelling at them to kick lol

[plush tendon]

and, honestly, its usually the opposite for me

[solid sun]

I feel like when I move into a bigger guild I’ll have a rough time getting invited into keys lol

[plush tendon]

pure raiders translate better into M+

[frosty mango]

Nah

[grizzled nova]

yeah keys are like bosses, just requires a lot of repeat to map out expectations for cds/prio/cc

[frosty mango]

If you’re a tank you will never have issues

[plush tendon]

pure M+ dont translate well into raid

[frosty mango]

Getting into any key

Especially in raid guilds

[solid sun]

I might be dpsing though

[frosty mango]

Yea just tank keys

Though

[plush tendon]

raiders are generally good in keys if you can shot call

and alert them to whats happening

[frosty mango]

None of my raid chars tank yet I basically always have to tank keys

[grizzled nova]

I think the only reason is that in m+ you virtually never have to sac dps for mechanics, you basically can't cause you're riding the timer, raiders have to sac for mechanics all the time

[plush tendon]

since Im aware of whats happening ill just say 'we got a bad overlap here, you got something healer?'

[grizzled nova]

m+ brain doesn't hold dps ever

[plush tendon]

like on first boss Dawn

[solid sun]

@dusky canopy are we excited about arms in alpha

[plush tendon]

or call out aoe stops

in order

though I usually just call a class like 'mage, do your stops'

[warm plinth]

Mage in alpha: "I have stops?"

[plush tendon]

they still have their stops

I dont think mage util got touched that much

just defensives

[frosty mango]

Shit we excited about arms now

Turbo boost gonna make arms great again

I don’t know how but I believe

[solid sun]

Why

[frosty mango]

The power of positive thinking

[plush tendon]

arms aint bad

but fury just much better

[frosty mango]

Which makes it……relatively speaking bad?

lol

[plush tendon]

its viable

just not bis

[frosty mango]

Jokes aside imo it’s not even remotely close to as bad as people say

[plush tendon]

if someone is a gamer arms warrior and not good at fury

Id rather they play arms

[heavy sparrow]

Can confirm. Seen the dumbest things as a raid leader in season 1 & 2 for mythic raid for vaults

[plush tendon]

its especially true for healers

knew some great M+ healers

who are actually incapable of raid healing

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hats-off-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-stressed-disappointed-tim-robinson-gif-8148325755886612027

[undone beacon]

Our GM used to recruit people for the myth raid team out of pugging M+ and then wonder why they sucked in raid even though they were great in keys

It took a lot of explaining to break him of that

[frosty mango]

M+ healing is about burst windows and raid healing is about blasting constantly

I find key healers tend to have bad mana management in raid but that’s kinda what I’d expect

I’ve never had one not get where they need to be quickly

[dusky canopy]

Promising since jug is gone and cs is the big cooldown now

More iteration will tell

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1402663520029511872/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[dusky canopy]

Pray for CS apex talent

[solid sun]

If blizzard really does port wow to consoles

Would that be a bad thing

[dusky canopy]

I’m all for it

[solid sun]

It’s probably totally fine and just adds more gamers right

[dusky canopy]

I can totally see myself doing the easy grind content on my couch with a beer ||and my hot ass wife reading next to me||

W feature

[chilly brook]

Works for FFXIV

[solid sun]

Yeah like if I can build my house in the living room and get my daughter involved

It’s like a huge W

She knows the best places for yard flamingos

[opal hound]

that's a great idea

[chilly brook]

I mean you could do that now tbh

Just cast your desktop to your TV and use a controller with that controller addon

[solid sun]

That sounds like some kinda wizardry

[dusky canopy]

Imagine how much more fun bgs will be with the controller crowd joining

Ez pickings

[opal hound]

I still find it easier to do fine motion with mouse & keyboard

[proud nimbus]

all the joystick turners smh

[chilly brook]

I mean pvp will be more fun in general

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[dusky canopy]

Indeed even just considering the simplification of the specs

[chilly brook]

Actually I think the biggest benefit to the pruning is how much it will make pvp approachable and less frustrating in general

[opal hound]

and I'm paranoid about Bluetooth peripherals disconnecting at a bad time.

[dusky canopy]

Jinx

[chilly brook]

Also should reign in the power of healers a bit too

[dusky canopy]

[solid sun]

Maybe this is the ideal moment to learn healing

When everything becomes more simple

[frosty mango]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1425159042631729182

please shred my log, looking to improve on the smaller things now

more eyes is always good eyes

I already know I ate a ton of back hits, I wasn't particularly concerned with that in a 15

[solid sun]

Why were you not concerned

I feel like when I take back shots in a 13 my life is nearly over

[frosty mango]

very little in ara kara that is dangerous from a melee perspective other than the trash between first and second boss

i dont care if the trash wails on me while I gather the first pull

id rather make sure I gather it properly

that is not good general advice

but for me in this particular scenario I know what I can/can't take - and that I could def play it a lot safer

[solid sun]

I think I hit impending victory more than you

But idk if that means I’m bad or you just don’t need it so don’t care

[undone beacon]

Roid is your name Roidberg or Roidburg

[dusky canopy]

Dinkleberg

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/fairlyoddparents-dinkleberg-gif-4141833

dont tinkle with the dinkle

[frosty mango]

neither of those are my legal name

[frosty mango]

I only hit it when im feeling scared

so like im below 50, or theres a mech where I need to clear something - like swampface, or affix

[undone beacon]

This is why i ask, its bugging me

[frosty mango]

Oh

its both

lol

there are two roidburgs

one is berg, one is burg

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[frosty mango]

they are both me

[undone beacon]

inside of you there are two roids

one is berg and the other is burg

[frosty mango]

my monk is rollburg

lol

[frosty mango]

i kinda view victory as a health pot, I dont want to send it when im at 80% health because doing so would basically just mean overheal elsewhere, but if im in death range I think its high value

that could just be me playing into a fallacy, but generally im cautious on it because unlike mit it can actually save my life, lol (not that mit doesnt save my life...but holding it vs not holding)

[undone beacon]

Its worth noting that victory also resets on mob kills so there can be a bit more thought there

If mobs are going down you can victory back to back pretty fast

[frosty mango]

every time I rely on this I get burned, I feel like

[undone beacon]

Or throw it mid pull and it'll reset for next

[frosty mango]

thats a good call

[undone beacon]

why are medical networks the worst thing in the world

[frosty mango]

because they have insanely high SLAs and insanely low budgets

tell me im wrong

[undone beacon]

I'm trying to purge exceptions from this network that are just blatant security risks and every step forward I take theres three people yelling at me about why they need that implemented (they dont know what they're talking about)

Makes me head hurt lol

[vital vale]

i just realized with the changes to stun DR in midnight, tauren racial probably gonna be one of the best racials in the game for m+

[undone beacon]

Isnt it still hard capped at 5?

Highmountain stays winning

[vital vale]

does it only stun up to 5 targets?

then highmountain yeah

well highmountain is not a stun so i guess it doesnt DR anyway on live

[undone beacon]

highmountain
stays
winning

[vital vale]

winds be at your back

[plush tendon]

Tauren Racial will be better then it is

though I wouldnt put it on the same level as like Dwarf, Nelf or Human

[undone beacon]

It wont matter everyone will be playing haranir anyways

[plush tendon]

I wont

[solid sun]

No pangolin form

Dead race

[undone beacon]

I said everyone

[solid sun]

Well they won’t be as bad as Drakthyr or mechagnomes

[undone beacon]

Haranir are like the most customizable race

its crazy

[solid sun]

They’re be probably top 5 or top 6 if I hadn’t been baited into believing there was gonna be a pangolin Druid form

[undone beacon]

Thats all haranir

[vital vale]

pandaren was the most graphically impressive race when they came out and then next expansion everyone else surpassed them

maybe the same will happen with haranir

[solid sun]

Yeah the customization is really neat

[idle mesa]

I’m surprised where vault questions it’s Tuesday

[undone beacon]

Servers are still down for the patch

[cedar egret]

idk if it's over yet in NA but it's longer because they are adding legion remix

[undone beacon]

Supposed to be down for a few more hours

[grizzled orbit]

any better build for weeklys as prot? for more DPS increase*

[shrewd grove]

The wowhead build for weeklies. You can pump 5mil+ on that build

[undone beacon]

The weekly key build on wowhead :P

[grizzled orbit]

can some one link :p

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank

[grizzled orbit]

Colossus?

[undone beacon]

"Mountain Thane Weekly Key Build"

[frozen berry]

how do you log into remix when it launches? it is from the normal WoW client?

[undone beacon]

Yep

[grizzled orbit]

for weekly build its same play style or somethiung extra? 😛

[undone beacon]

You just hit execute more

[prisma crane]

if its the same as MoP i think its just an option in your main screen the same way plunderstorm was

[solid sun]

Same playstyle as what

[prisma crane]

top left or something

[solid sun]

I worry because you mentioned colossus and thane doesn’t play like colossus

[coarse bay]

Should i take the raid slot, or 3rd dungeon slot in my vault? For context i dont have a 3rd dungeon slot on my warrior

[nocturne spindle]

i mean

that depends on your loot?

[frosty mango]

For what it’s worth you can do 6m on the push build as well, I have, it’s just not as easy

Executing is big dam tho

Just saying because I don’t want people to feel like if they play the push build they will do “bad” dps

[undone beacon]

Mans is so desperate for vault discussion hes asking about hypotheticals

[frosty mango]

Which is not what you said

Guys should a delve slot or a mythic raid slot. I have 50% haste and my boots are purple. Also I had a hot dog for lunch.

Help me please

[undone beacon]

im gonna ask chatgpt to generate protection warrior themed riddles to keep y'all entertained

[coarse bay]

Instructions unclear, warrior deleted

[undone beacon]

"Nice — tanky brain-teasers incoming. Here are 10 Protection-Warrior themed riddles with answers. I mixed mechanics, lore vibes, and tanking humor. Try them on your raid team. 🛡️"

"I’m round and heavy, hold at arm’s length — I stop your death and prove my strength. For a short, brief, defensive while, I cut the incoming damage by a mile. What am I?"

[round pendant]

[coarse bay]

Erm

Shield

[undone beacon]

WRONG

Shield WALL

[coarse bay]

I was kinda thinking that but wasnt sure the type of answers

Whats next

:3

[frosty mango]

This is terrible please stop 🤣

[dull jungle]

Hi, i can't find anything online about it. Can i use avatar pre pull in a key?

[coarse bay]

Anything with a 2 minute cd, but whether or not it actually lasts long enough after 10 second timer to matter is a different thing

[dull jungle]

Thank you!

[wraith scaffold]

hey where can i look up the list of deleted spells for prot war in midnight?

[sinful copper]

In arakara, do u guys dismount from the very top of stairs to start getting threat, or do you run down the stairs on mount and then dismount to start charging, clapping, slamming towards mini?

[frosty mango]

I run until I hit the elites at the bottom, then leap

Charge twice

If people get eaten due to threat they are dumb and deserve to die

[coarse bay]

You can prepot a potion of shocking disclosure

[sinful copper]

Run on mount right? That's what I was doing

[frosty mango]

Yes

Ret paladins are the worst

Just hammering divine storm as you’re gathering

I just let them die

[heavy sparrow]

The Lord's work

[sharp merlin]

When you do the skip pack intermission on DB, last boss, when I interrupt him, I get booped back - is there any way to not do have that happen? I went out of range and the boss did something which wiped us

[orchid narwhal]

If youre getting there after gim it shouldnt be booping you

That means youre there before he gets there

in whcih case just stand st range and charge in afteru interrupt

He takes a second ir tw o begore he starts meleeing oeople

[sharp merlin]

Alright, just make sure I have charge then

Gim? What’s gim?

[frosty mango]

Him

Gim is how people with big thumbs type him

Source: me

Lassitude is def a dude with big thumbs using an iPhone id recognize that chop anywhere

[sinful copper]

Press charge, leap, shield charge. U can't leave melee for that long

[sharp merlin]

Hahahaha

[orchid narwhal]

im laaughing

i was in the shower typing man

[frosty mango]

but it is an iphone

and you do have big thumbs

[orchid narwhal]

it is true

[frosty mango]

tell me im wrong

[orchid narwhal]

it is also true

LOL

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nailed-it-ron-swanson-parks-and-recreation-success-gif-4232665

[solid sun]

Messaging skyhold

from the shower

wet fingers

wet phone

[frosty mango]

thats dedication

[solid sun]

Super commitment

[frosty mango]

iphones are milspec they'll be ok

[orchid narwhal]

I cant play wow so I have to type about WoW

[solid sun]

"Honey when are you going to get out of the shower so you can cook the steaks for tonight?"

[frosty mango]

we should all go back to nokia bricks

[solid sun]

"BABE SKYHOLD NEEDS ME"

[orchid narwhal]

no literally

look

laughing

[solid sun]

loooooooooooool

I've definitely had some similar moments

"Hey you didn't tell Steve what he's doing today."

"Listen this dude is asking about IP, Steve has to wait"

"... whats IP"

[bleak breach]

Was the belt nerfed today? Or is that later on?

[frosty mango]

today

[lusty grotto]

servers up

[solid sun]

good comms

[lusty grotto]

quick vault then remix

[solid sun]

remix characters get crazy boosted so basically everything works right

Even the "bad" specs are gonna blast I imagine

[mighty valley]

it's all goofin' time

play what looks fun

[solid sun]

heck yeah

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i wonder where the dinar guy is

[lament osprey]

I thought that was the 21st

Did I read wrong

[lusty grotto]

oh true

im an idiot

[mellow yoke]

Dinars is 21st

[lusty grotto]

i fucking knew it and still adhd'd it out

[lament osprey]

Wait wtf is open this week?

[lusty grotto]

track extensions

and remix

[lament osprey]

Uncapped crest?

[lusty grotto]

no

[mellow yoke]

Thats 21st too

[lament osprey]

I hate this game

[mellow yoke]

Aug matrix is 30 crests right

[lusty grotto]

but you can def upgrade, as much as your the cap allows you to

should be 20

but ill double check

[lament osprey]

It’s zero upgrades

[lusty grotto]

huge

[lament osprey]

lol 😂 I got blocked by bot

[solid sun]

Big uppies

[gloomy solar]

Absolute trash

If only I needed three chest pieces

[solid sun]

I got a 2h so I can play arms now if I wanna

[lusty grotto]

you can play fury too

just craft a 2h

also dw i got 4 chests and a cosmic hunt trinky on my DH

[gloomy solar]

oh, so it's everyone~
the tariffs enter azeroth

[lusty grotto]

[mellow yoke]

I gotta kill 3rd boss for antenna

To buy with dinars

[oak ivy]

Hey guys i main fury for raid but prot for M+, what's the move for upgrading weapons/shield without wasting any crests

[jagged grove]

Hey, i play only prot but want to open vault as dps spec since i already got tome, what dps loot spec should i go for?

[oak ivy]

do you have a myth 1h

[jagged grove]

No, thats one of the thing i would really want

[oak ivy]

Fury then

[jagged grove]

But i can get two-handers too right? Cause warrior dps uses that?

[oak ivy]

fury can loot both 1 and 2 handers

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[oak ivy]

cuz smf for some reason

[mellow yoke]

U need to roll on prot for shield and 2H and ire

[solid sun]

Do you have a shield already

[jagged grove]

Have only killed first 3 mythic