go as high as you can
#protection
lusty grotto
sim the rest of the stats
the sim basically stops caring about haste at around 20k, which is not realistic and can fuck you on SB uptime
not realistic because youre very likely simming a very short window in combat and/or it assumes perfect play
errant wagon
I'm doing 5-man 2min patchwork to simulate dungeon sims, been my go to usually
lusty grotto
the one thing you want to absolutely have is 21k MINIMUM to use Into The Fray, if you DONT have 21k, you talent Heavy Repercussions
dungeon sims are not optimized for our APL
dont use that
errant wagon
i don't, 5target patchwork
lusty grotto
1 target 3 mins or 5 mins for ST
5 target 1.5 mins for AOE
2 mins is nah
we're a 90s class
errant wagon
🫡 ok i was doing 2min usually, but yea even with 1.5m it still just could not care about my haste and it's like Vers as high as you can!!!
but your points make sense
lusty grotto
yea, just equip all the haste
and then just stop when SB management does not yield huge gaps
errant wagon
sim the rest of the stats
regarding this, I guess... how? Just ignore sims telling me to take off haste, but acknowledge the sim lines that add on other stats?
Is there a methodical way to do this
lusty grotto
you just sim haste pieces
thats it
pretty common sense
throw and vendor anything that doesnt have haste
errant wagon
what's like a perfect SB uptime nowdays I guess.
I hit 75% block rate doing this 15k haste build in a 17 priory yesterday lol
lusty grotto
thats bad
errant wagon
never felt like I was about to die 🤣
lusty grotto
link log
errant wagon
lusty grotto
cause that doesnt really seem like its likely
errant wagon
pumpin too 93% 😎
lusty grotto
you didnt have 75% block rate
errant wagon
oh wait what I'm stupid
lusty grotto
shoot blocks are a low but
lusty grotto
melee HITS
errant wagon
oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
lusty grotto
not the line
errant wagon
dungeon snapshotted me with 19k haste cus of chaos but i'm at 16.9 base
so yea idk it didn't seem THAT bad
lusty grotto
play heavy rep
not ITF
and then youll get it up easily
also face the sharpshooters
you cant block them otherwise
errant wagon
I guess I would be concern if I was actually dying but I'm literally just not anywhere close to dying even playing like this. But all acknowledged
lusty grotto
I guess I would be concern if I was actually dying but I'm literally just not an...
you procced BSV 5 times
so i wouldnt say you "werent close to dying"
BSV is saving you
errant wagon
Doing it's job!
errant wagon
Haha, very fair
soft dragon
hello, sorry to bother, i just kill nexus king M and i'm "only" at 60 on log, i know that my stats are not the best (to much vers not enough crit/mastery) and i don't have the execute talent that make it dealing aoe damages. But do you have any other idea why i deal 600 to 800k less than other wars p^lease ?
lusty grotto
fuck i cant deal with EU people calling Myth difficulties MM
soft dragon
yeah
lusty grotto
marksman warrior
deft mortar
bro why is this healer crying about
that 4 darkcaster pull after the orb miniboss in dawnbreaker
not my fkn problem we have a feral who doesnt interrupt
4 dark casters is not a problem wtf
esp since stun interrupts their beams
???
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8hZqvF14jz6XADxr?fight=41&type=damage-done&...
nexus king has issues with logs
if your log person isnt in YOUR platform
that entire damage window disappears
also damage amp phase is pretty massive
but that shouldnt have log issues cause everyone is in the same main platform
deft mortar
Like this pull 9 here
soft dragon
nexus king has issues with logs
damn
polar pelican
his log doesnt have the issue i dont think
the first big spike is during platform right
its hard to tell je ne comprends pas francais
lusty grotto
theres a translate button
soft dragon
is plateform
polar pelican
ya
soft dragon
and 4:30 is amp
mellow bridge
Is that 4 darkcasters + a ritualist? That's a horrible pull lmao
lusty grotto
i think its mostly an RNG angle
kinda feels like youre either not getting or not using tier procs
proud nimbus
imagine, warrior, but with avengers shield to tag mobs
soft dragon
kinda feels like youre either not getting or not using tier procs
hmmm, idk, maybe i overcaped but i feel that, comparing to others warrior stats, im not pressing my buttons
frosty mango
that 4 darkcaster pull after the orb miniboss in dawnbreaker
This is the exact pull the guy I was memeing on yesterday flipped about
The 3 casters and 2 melee dudes
With an all melee comp
Broke 6m in eco dome finally
On to dawnbreaker
This one will be hard or impossible I think
Or I just need a dk and bm doing 10m+ overall to carry me
sinful copper
Or I just need a dk and bm doing 10m+ overall to carry me
bring me along with u, papa
thin nymph
hey guys, ive been looking at logs trying to see where i can improve in keys on my warr and it seems like my cpm for SS is quite low compared to other people. i try to prio it when its off cd any ways i can keep getting better and get my cpm up do i need to revenge more to try and fish for procs?
warm plinth
Can you share a log?
warm plinth
I can't look at it; it's private
lusty grotto
you dont revenge more to get more SS procs
lets get that out of the way first
and i assume youre thane
you do press revenge when both TC and SS are on cd
but nothing more than that
the log is still private
thin nymph
i think i changed it, im new to logging / reviewing logs. i havent really taken this game seriously but i just want to improve and do well so i wanted to reach out and get some help
lusty grotto
youre rage starving yourself way too much
youre just spamming IP
dont spam IP
use it at 70+ rage
where is shield slam here
youre just not pressing it
thats why its low CPM
thin nymph
okay awesome ill defiantly try and get that in the back of my mind, so i dont need a full ip shield always
lusty grotto
your blocks are low
youre not playing the weekly vault build
but thats fine since its an 18
thin nymph
how do i get my blocks up ?
thin nymph
right
lusty grotto
dont spam it
thin nymph
just better up time on block i think i do fuck up and over lap it
lusty grotto
always have it up, hit SC to cover and on cd
thin nymph
then im dry and probs poor game play
sinful copper
How do u see blocked hits vs hits?
sinful copper
It can extend to 3x duration so it's fine
U want like 95% blocked hits or something?
lusty grotto
90%+
thin nymph
okay so bascially tldr will be , use IP at 70 rage, work on my shield block up time and acatully press ss
there some things i defaintly need to work on
sinful copper
SS is highest priority on ST and TB is highest on AOE, but they're both just used immediately
thin nymph
theres no time limit on my procs hey, so if i get 2 ss procs and 2 tb procs and im nearly capping rage i can hit IP then ss then tb then ip right
frosty mango
Ip is ogcd
thin nymph
like it wont time out or anything like that hey ? sometime i think i just int myself and overlap my shit
frosty mango
You’d press them at the same time
frosty mango
In that scenario you’d ss+ip, tb+ip most likely if you were truly that close to capping
thin nymph
kk sweet, so just work on the flow some more and im assuming thats going to smooth out my exp in keys, but yeah defiantly need to work on not rage starving myself by spamming ip
frosty mango
you weave it
But this essentially
thin nymph
do i jsut want to keep enough rage to apply SB?
frosty mango
Remember since ip is not on the global it can be pressed between or with other skills
lusty grotto
do i jsut want to keep enough rage to apply SB?
you just hit IP at 70 rage and that takes care of that
never rage starve is essentially us saying what you just said
never cap, never rage starve
thats warrior 101
and it takes care of things like having enough rage for SB, etc
and AM/Outburst management
thin nymph
okay cool keep that fine line in between, roger i think ill defiantly go into my next key with that mind set, i can see how me rage starving myself is probs cucking me cause theres time where i get an am proc but my SS is down and i have no rage to bascially do anything but TC
then im kinda wasting my AM proc which is less rage right
cause you want to spend them on SS or TB for the extra rage and dmg?
lusty grotto
an AM proc?
frosty mango
Think he means outburst
thin nymph
sorry outburst
lusty grotto
wdym an AM proc
o
in keys just dont worry about it
just send it on TB
its only on bosses you have to worry about when there's no funnel fodder around
anyway that's going away in Midnight, since it only improves SS there
so yeah in keys the amount of pure ST situations you have are very limited
thin nymph
well thanks everyone thats looked at the log, means a lot. im really trying to push myself and just not happy with how im playing. a few little things for me to work on and i think itll make a huge difference! just need to press SS lol and stop spamming IP
round pendant
I don't understand
sinful copper
round pendant
I think I really underestimate myself on wow and don't even try to push as high as I could
cause I keep seeing people do what I consider high keys while playing worse (numbers-wise)
is that the real tankxiety
lusty grotto
having a team helps em
and friends that just do high keys in general
guildies etc
thats it
doing 18s in pugs right now is not really that friendly
round pendant
yeah I also don't like playing full pugs and my friends burn out around 14s
thin nymph
doing 18s in pugs right now is not really that friendly
100% that gambit was a pug and it was rough
round pendant
but I don't have a consistent 5 man of all good players 
lusty grotto
if youre not in player's circles in the past..
youre gonna have an even worse time
doing 18s and 19s right now means you literally go into keys with streamers
its not a grass is greener thing either
pugging a key at the 18-20 range means you get to sit in group finder for hours
round pendant
yeah I ain't interested in the tippy top
lusty grotto
strictly pugging
round pendant
but the keys I've done this season were all incredibly easy but then I get anxiety when it's uncharted territory
lmao
lusty grotto
i get it too
its very normal
there's no going around it though
just gotta send it
but it does make people hesitate
people like us i mean
round pendant
the +15 eco dome I did was so free (I know it's a ez key) but only cause I just happened to get 2 pumper dps doing 8-9m overall
but I've had 13s where I barely timed it cause everyone's barely doing 5-6m or some shit
not even my fault but I just know if that shit bricks I'll get blamed lmao
plush tendon
undone beacon
made out like a brandit tonight
warm plinth
made out like a brandit tonight
taking both brands is devious lol
frosty mango
I don’t think you can unless someone masterloots it
undone beacon
Yeah we lootcouncil our alt night because people cant behave
warm plinth
Pash didn't even invite me to alt night smh
undone beacon
You trialing with us? >:3
warm plinth
Could not find gif, but my mind immediately went to the scene where he meets the only black guy in town in Snow Dogs
"If I say yes, do I get a discount?"
Why do I remember this shit
undone beacon
you do but not on brand
warm plinth
D:
undone beacon
as many prot warrs as we can cram into one group
when are we having the official Skyhold Prot Warr All Prot Warr Heroic Raid Night of Fun and Power?
Otherwise known as the SPWAPWHRNoF&P
undone beacon
Soul Hunters
warm plinth
Oh so that's like 5th boss huh
solid sun
I’ve really been getting hyped up about the upcoming SPWAPWHRNoF&P
warm plinth
yeah
undone beacon
It’s an easy boss to pug for heroic but you’re up against a bunch of people who want it unless you make and curate the group yourself
lusty grotto
i mean
nobody is gonna buy a boost for heroic lol
that shit is easy
and you dont need the heroic kill to buy it anyway
warm plinth
I saw a video of demensius, and i think I did first wing in LFR
But that's all the raid I've done
undone beacon
Oh I wasn’t saying for boost I was just sayin in general lol
Gamba on a drop
Save a dinar
lusty grotto
warm plinth
ezpz
round pendant
5 mil for soul hunter boost D:
genuinely don't know how anyone affords this
warm plinth
lots of disposable income
round pendant
Are you telling me people are still funded by their garrisons in 2025
or are they literally buying 10+ wow tokens for a single boss carry
solid sun
I’m down to 2k on my warrior
solid sun
Buying enchants for fury was probably a mistake
undone beacon
There are people that play this game primarily to gold farm
our guild crafter is gold capped on 3 toons
warm plinth
or are they literally buying 10+ wow tokens for a single boss carry
this
warm plinth
Yes
round pendant
Yeah but the economy just hasn't deflated from wod so it's really curious where all the gold is even coming from
gold farms (that actually generate gold) cap out very very low
warm plinth
When I was advertising for boosts back in SL, had many times where people were like "ok waiting for tokens to sell"
solid sun
That’s so wild to me
round pendant
yeah in legion I had a guy who kept buying boosts for +15s from me and my friends
and he just bought tokens each week and effectively gave it to us
I felt like I was robbing the guy
lusty grotto
im still living off BFA boosts
warm plinth
I buy a few every couple paychecks, but I give most of it to friends
round pendant
yeah 1 token isn't enough for a whole expac for me
round pendant
I buy a few every couple paychecks, but I give most of it to friends
can we be friends
frosty mango
People doing boosts usually one of 3 categories
undone beacon
The only time ive ever owned a wow token was when two were given to me by a guild so I could server change and join their myth guild lolol
I'm coasting off BFA crafting and errant BOEs
Up to 3.5mil
frosty mango
People who rmt
People who craft ( a lot)
People who sell boosts themselves and are lazy/impatient
round pendant
yeah but my question is where does the GOLD come from?
lusty grotto
tokens
solid sun
I guess I should pay more attention to crafting
frosty mango
A lot of the buyers I get are like 3500 IO gigs gamers
lusty grotto
its all tokens
round pendant
tokens don't generate gold so I'm asking why the economy hasn't deflated since they deleted garrisons
it's only worse
tho, my conspiracy theory is that tokens do just generate gold
solid sun
I’m too dumb to make gold
bright oyster
There are quite a lot of raw gold farms
frosty mango
Blizz will never admit it but gold farmers generate a lot of raw gold
lusty grotto
and world quests are 800g a pop too
round pendant
it dropped to 400k and it hadn't sold, yet 24 hours later I get a mail with my 480k
explain that
lusty grotto
so it all adds up
bright oyster
and world quests are 800g a pop too
My buddy tracks gold-given wqs and does them on 10 toons like a psychopath
warm plinth
it dropped to 400k and it hadn't sold, yet 24 hours later I get a mail with my 4...
When you auction tokens, you are guaranteed to get what it was selling for when you listed it, no matter what
lusty grotto
i can see that happening
frosty mango
You also have to consider trickle up
round pendant
When you auction tokens, you are guaranteed to get what it was selling for when ...
Yeah exactly, so it's generated gold?
So blizzard themselves are maintaining the inflation
warm plinth
Of course
frosty mango
The number of people generating gold is far greater than the number amassing it
warm plinth
No, the value of tokens is determined by how many are being purchased
frosty mango
Much like American capitalism gold tends to move upward and wealth is concentrated
round pendant
Except they guarantee the sale so it generates gold into the economy whenever the price fluctuates down
which gives people more gold to spend
which goes to people who'll maybe buy a token
warm plinth
It's all generated gold
Every bit
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are referring to idk
solid sun
I wish alchemists could transmute dungeon score to gold and let me just re-earn the score
round pendant
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are referring to idk
If the price drops after I list and it sells anyway, where did that extra gold come from?
cause the gold SHOULD be coming from another player (who's buying the token for gold)
frosty mango
I wish I could just mine gold directly
solid sun
I wish I could steal gold from inactive players
frosty mango
I wish I could steal
Gold from active players
solid sun
No I don’t wanna be mean
I just wanna be able to repair my gear and maybe buy some three star consumables
It’s hard out here on these azerothian streets
warm plinth
cause the gold SHOULD be coming from another player (who's buying the token for ...
I would assume it just comes from the pool. No gold needs to be added or subtracted unless the pool literally runs out of gold
solid sun
Hey Ghash
round pendant
Yeah I guess it could be a pool
solid sun
Are you a housing enjoyer
warm plinth
Not even sort of
solid sun
Really
warm plinth
Yeah it's not my thing
round pendant
I don't think the concept of housing lights up even a single neuron for me
warm plinth
I'll enjoy what other people make if it's like out in the public area that you're typically in
But I wouldn't go out of my way to do anything housing related
round pendant
I've not done a single key this week
warm plinth
Nimchip has seen the quality of keys I offer and goes invis every time I log in
solid sun
We did a key too
warm plinth
jkjk
solid sun
Hey Nimchip I did fury today!
lusty grotto
i need 5 keys for vault but im on a 16 gambit rn
solid sun
It’s not my fault though. Pash wouldn’t let me restealth
warm plinth
Restealth? Lol
solid sun
I was just giving him a hard time
round pendant
I wonder if I could get in a key at 3am on my rogue
or if I should just do something on pwar
warm plinth
My friends don't really play often so I have had less and less keys each week
lusty grotto
you want overwhelmed on anything you're hitting as slayer
warm plinth
I don't play unless I got at least one person to play with
lusty grotto
also dont target swap
round pendant
yeah I'm basically the same
but I've been playing a lil alone when peak bored lately
mostly on my rogue
tf there's literally only 2 keys up
and I got in one
3am meta
round pendant
flood 13 (on me rogue)
warm plinth
I believe in you
round pendant
Me too
warm plinth
Don't have a lot of faith in the rest
round pendant
Me neither
warm plinth
rip
solid sun
Ghash I’m always down to game
round pendant
could be worse ig
frosty mango
Love the zero dam sham
round pendant
no fucking idea why we abandoned
Just couldn't time it after 1 wipe ig eh
god that's annoying what a waste of time lmao
solid sun
I just DM'd you my btag
warm plinth
Cool
warm plinth
Just couldn't time it after 1 wipe ig eh
Happens a lot in the 12-14 range. 1 tiny thing goes wrong, insta-abandon lol
Like why
solid sun
"You skipped that haste pylon!" vote to abandon
round pendant
I was pumping too considering how the whole dungeon was just a chain pull
warm plinth
No shot you time without the 10% haste buff
round pendant
just goes to show restealth is fuckin irrelevant
warm plinth
where did they abandon at?
round pendant
Demo duo wipe cause healer dc'd
warm plinth
oof
did a 13 the other day and the pug didn't abandon once
which was surprising because it was brutal
Our Big MOMMA fight was 4:45 with 0 deaths
solid sun
holy guacamole
warm plinth
And before you ask, I honestly have no idea how
solid sun
4:45???
round pendant
or never abandon even tho we're gonna be 10 minutes over
warm plinth
Yeah, almost 5 fucking minutes lol
warm plinth
I think it had to just be bad boss damage, but I couldn't tell because we pulled like 2 packs into her
So probably inflated numbers
round pendant
nice another dc into abandon
this pull is fuckin brutal btw
should I just split it
round pendant
healer issue?
round pendant
everyone kinda died instantly
lusty grotto
instantly?
then thats not a healer issue
well
i guess healer should have played a cd
round pendant
well just very fast
round pendant
yeah and then they killed everyone
lusty grotto
then all danger is done outside of the oblit
frosty mango
Yeah don’t do that
lusty grotto
sync'ed?
frosty mango
Stunning them all at once means they will sync and then someone will get clapped if they don’t have a personal rolling
round pendant
it's ok cause we had a dc'd dps anyway
I don't think I even hit them all with my shockwave
but yeah I'll keep that in mind
frosty mango
So I usually gather both stacks, then shockwave half of them
round pendant
wtf is going on
frosty mango
The healer still needs to personal there though even with lust
As sham I’ll usually link there so I can dps so it’s never an issue
Chain light go brr
round pendant
healer wasn't very good anyway he was struggling like hell on the shards
frosty mango
On monk I just rop on top of melee and lol at them
frosty mango
Prob one of the easiest keys imo
round pendant
It just feels so fuckin slow
frosty mango
There’s nothing really dangerous now after the trash changes
round pendant
I wonder what time is comfy after 2nd boss
lusty grotto
hmm i dont feel that way with dawn but then again i do last trash while rash is flying
its a hard dungeon nonetheless but still
lusty grotto
not as hard as priory
round pendant
The last 3 hoa 14s I've attempted
first one, dh just runs back and forth on 3rd boss, wiping us
second one, dk does the same
round pendant
3rd one, dc on that pack + wipe
lusty grotto
people not LoSing knights/suley
round pendant
can I just get a solid team
lusty grotto
thats the one constant ive seen on failed ones
sinful copper
this pull is fuckin brutal btw
Did they lust?
lusty grotto
yeah thats what i said
round pendant
yeah I just ran it back
and the anklebiters died in like 3 seconds
ezpz
I keep taking backshots in that dungeon tho
the fucking dogs and groundskeepers just can't stay still
It still surprises me how much different dungeons feel when you have people who actually prio mobs (and funnelers) and kick things
quiet jetty
In m+, if you are not running the execute talents, is it better to prioritize execute or thunder clap/blast below 20%?
vast agate
do u taunt nexus king during the cast for vanquisher combo
round pendant
I've only done it on heroic but yes
you gotta taunt pretty quickly after the cast starts
vast agate
does it always do two conquers two vanquishers vice versa
or can it be conquer vanquish conquer vanquish
I guess it doesnt matter if u can just taunt after each mechanic each time
round pendant
it'll never do anything that isn't solved by just alternating taunts afaik
so just taunt every time it casts on your co-tank
ezpz
plush tendon
In m+, if you are **not** running the execute talents, is it better to prioritiz...
in what scenario
generally speaking, if im fighting like one mob we need to finish to move on, then I execute
if some mobs are still heathy, I focus on hitting other mobs
livid helm
antenna or tome?
quiet jetty
in what scenario
both scenarios, on a boss fight and on prio target in a medium pull
plush tendon
you can for sure execute on a boss
id be remiss to say you should in aoe
even if its a prio target
especially without any execute talents
but you should always be pressing generators first
then spenders
fair beacon
Heyo! Had a question guys, notably for those who have done the soul hunters on mythic. We killed it once but the whole macro to call for the dispells and stuff caused a bit of a hassle for people to get used to on the Northern Sky WA. Heard the Liquid WA actually may have automated the process. is that true?
fair beacon
did? past tense?
frosty mango
It got rid of the pinging but it doesn’t really automate it in a functional way imo
The learning curve is still steep
It relies on say bubbles and they disappear if you’re not near your group
fair beacon
yeah imma encourage them to stick to the northern sky then, they already gotten somewhat used to it
thanks mate
fair beacon
kinda reminds me of the "breakout rooms" that some oneline ADOBE CONNECT classes had during the pandemic, shoved a few in them at a time to hash stuff out 😄
frosty mango
The only important calls are at the third intermission
fair beacon
yeah, we got burned on that one a few times cause of the whole "always go left" so-called cheese method 😄
frosty mango
You could alternatively have them mute everyone but their group and the RL and have everyone else mute them
So they’d technically be in the same channel and could hear the RL but no one could hear them
That’s how I personally felt it was easiest
I wish discord had a temporary “ignore user” option where you can’t hear them and they can’t hear you
Would make shit like this much easier
round pendant
waiting for discord to support that mumble feature where you can be in a sub channel and still hear the higher ones and communicate back and forth if you have to, but your normal voice is just within that subchannel
rancid knot
yo! Quick question
I am closing up on resi 17. And are trying to see what different prot warriors are running for different keys.
I am having a hard time understanding why we pick the tallent shield spesification.
dont we already block like all of are male hits?
or is this tallent for blocking tank hits, like the first admiral in priory?
jagged pier
becuase it reduces the damage u take from blocked attack by another 16% its massive survivibility gain
rancid knot
there are also some differens in blood surge. sudden death and bloodborn.
Any takes on when thos tallen should and should not be played
jagged pier
blood surge
if u arent running the other execute talent and i mean all of them sudden death is worthless
bloodbnorune is 1% damage its pointless
blood sruge is rage gen
rancid knot
bloodbnorune is 1% damage its pointless
rav is higher i would asume
- the rage gain i guese
indigo hawk
bloodbnorune is 1% damage its pointless
I did the math and it’s more like 3/4% total dmg so not really pointless for me
indigo hawk
You can just run it in dungeon and do bleed dmg x 0.25
I got 3,5%
Mmmh im doing it wrong
It’s x0.2
So more like +2,8% total dmg
But still good I think
rancid knot
becuase it reduces the damage u take from blocked attack by another 16% its mass...
i am prob a bit dented. but dont i just imune mele dmg with block? 
jagged pier
bro your doing 17s
rancid knot
rancid knot
i just press buttons
jagged pier
u only reduce damage by blocking
based on the block value of your shield
its about 40% with a max shield
not takign shield spec is basically saying
i want to run a 700 ilvl shield
over a 723 shield
rancid knot
guese this is why am not doing 18s 
indigo hawk
You have 100% chance to block the dmg from auto to 40% (or 80% on crit block)
And without Shield block you have x% shield block chance with your mastery, that why we don’t like it because we want 100% up time on shield block
rancid knot
You have 100% chance to block the dmg from auto to 40% (or 80% on crit block)
so i do imune 100% of mele hits, unless it crits?
indigo hawk
You are never immune with shield block
rancid knot
jagged pier
So more like +2,8% total dmg
based on my damage value it is just 2% increase
that is not worth it over a 16%
DR
on blockable damage
indigo hawk
A murloc make you 1000 dmg with is hand, if you shield block (so 100% chance to block the auto) you will take 600 dmg or 200 if you crit block
indigo hawk
based on my damage value it is just 2% increase
Those blood dmg are pretty low compared to me… I was at 9% with rend and 5% with deepwound (with the talent ON)
jagged pier
then your playing incorrect not press buttons enough
the better you play the less bleeds do
rancid knot
based on my damage value it is just 2% increase
wait you are running the first boss trinket? is that woth for prott? over like the priory one for keys
rancid knot
isee, yea i have the mythic arcan but just hc tome. might try the arcan then
jagged pier
Those blood dmg are pretty low compared to me… I was at 9% with rend and 5% with...
i dunno looking at all my recent runs, its litterally like that for break down
this is the onlyu reason ppl run BB its 180k more damage on 5 targets in sims
over not having shield spec
it is not worth it
indigo hawk
That’s my last +16 eco dome (I’m not russian)
And this is the top world eco dome
You can see that rend is really high on both
indigo hawk
Yes probably
jagged pier
That’s my last +16 eco dome (I’m not russian)
u gained 157k dps in this log
rancid knot
since rest is target capped
jagged pier
from bloodbourne
indigo hawk
I got a road with a lot of mob for every pull
rancid knot
if i had a myth tome
btw i hered somone say that tome is just a singel target trinket? due to the stacks ticking to fast on aoe? is that bull or truth?
indigo hawk
It’s still 3,4%
jagged pier
id have to the the whole logs
indigo hawk
But yeah i agree with you it’s not the best talent but 3,5% is not pointless for me
But the more you do big pull, the more bleed with do dmg
So for bigger key, it can be useful
jagged pier
sure, but better than shield spec? no
better than bloodsurge? probably
thats the swap it looks like
not for shield spec
indigo hawk
The problem is that I already fell like I spam IP to dodge rage cap without bloodsurge…
But this is probably the way
bleak scaffold
indigo hawk
bleak scaffold
I prefer mando sorry
indigo hawk
round pendant
I have never in my life seen Rend that high up
for me it's usually
tblast > execute > shield slam > ionizing strike > lightning strike > rend
indigo hawk
Because you do probably smallest pull, the bigger they are, the bigger bleed dmg increase
jagged gust
that doesn't sound right
indigo hawk
Why ?
Execute, shield slam, ionizing strike are mono target, so the more target you take, the less dmg overall they gonna do
jagged gust
well I guess relative to everything else getting target capped it'll do more damage
indigo hawk
Bleed don’t have real target cap because you spam it
jagged pier
tblast > execute > shield slam > ionizing strike > lightning strike > rend
Hes not running the execute build
So his execute wont be high
round pendant
Yeah I know but still, rend that high up is wild to me
God I wanna play Colossus again
fathom oasis
With very high mob counts, I guess it's only natural that rend gains a lot of damage in comparison with most single/limited target skills, such as Shield Slam or Execute
indigo hawk
Yeah, it’s just normal
round pendant
Nah I'm pretty sure that's not true
You're not getting any more damage from rend by pulling two packs at once vs doing them separately
🤔
indigo hawk
We talk about all % dmg overall
Yes, if you take only rend, the dmg will not increase, but if you look at all your dmg, if you take 4 mob and the 4 mob or 8 mob at once, rend will get more % dmg overall than your solo target abilities
Because you gonna normally kill the 8 mobs faster if you take them all at once
fathom oasis
You're not getting any more damage from rend by pulling two packs at once vs doi...
Think of it this way: if you fight 5 mobs over 1 minute vs 20 mobs over 1 minute, your number of SS casts are going to be very similar and their damage does not increase with higher number of mobs.
On the opposite side, rend damage will be x4 times in the second scenario vs the first
This is an exaggerated scenario where 20 mobs and 5 mobs take the exact amount of time to die, which is not entirely realistic, but it gives you a rough idea of what happens if your pulls grow in mob size
sharp merlin
Any ya'll got any good dawnbreaker routes
round pendant
Think of it this way: if you fight 5 mobs over 1 minute vs 20 mobs over 1 minute...
Rend DPS will be 4x, not the total damage
But I guess seeing people do 800m with rend is mostly the key levels being higher meaning the mobs live longer
jagged gust
a pull only needs to last like 20 seconds for full rend value
in the end the true villain, as always, is target caps
indigo hawk
But I guess seeing people do 800m with rend is mostly the key levels being highe...
Not really because people have more dps
bleak scaffold
TC applies rend on 5 targets no ?
TC damage are reduce if there is more than 5 but the rend is caped to 5 though, I don't know how it spreads to all if you have more, would it apply to target that don't have, or the closest anyway or ..
coarse sable
Hey im new to prot warri, is Stance dancing a thing or are you playing def stance all the time ?
indigo hawk
Yes it apply to target that don’t have it
coarse sable
Or do you Swap if you have def cd Rolling?
indigo hawk
Hey im new to prot warri, is Stance dancing a thing or are you playing def stanc...
Def all the time, don’t worry about it
Even best pusher don’t dance
coarse sable
Def all the time, don’t worry about it
Ok 👌🏽
Why tf is warri so tanky ? Playing Pala in 16-17 keys and I feel like paper
indigo hawk
TC damage are reduce if there is more than 5 but the rend is caped to 5 though, ...
If you got a spell that say « Ability without target cap that apply X on Y enemies » the spell will apply the next X on the one without it for the next cast
indigo hawk
Why tf is warri so tanky ? Playing Pala in 16-17 keys and I feel like paper
Because we don’t have safe heal, so we need to block dmg before they hit us
coarse sable
Ye but warri is Not Even close to dying when im dying often as pala
Big Momma so chill
indigo hawk
Yeah that why we all like it eheh and the dmg
coarse sable
But how does it work with warri against swapface? He give big heal reduce
indigo hawk
The only problem is that you need to know in advance when big hit gonna come instead of other tank, so you need to learn a bit more about mechanics and dungeon
bleak scaffold
Because war is the prot! PAL is just praying for light to save him. There are too many light can’t help all at the same time 😉
coarse sable
The only problem is that you need to know in advance when big hit gonna come ins...
As pala you need to know every tankbuster aswell
bleak scaffold
If you got a spell that say « Ability without target cap that apply X on Y enemi...
The text from wowhead talent calculator states : "Thunder Clap affects 5nearby targets with Rend." so it's not clear on exactly whom will be affected.
mental scarab
Any ya'll got any good dawnbreaker routes
I took kirawarriors rout from a stream almost 2 chest my first 14 with it
bleak scaffold
As pala you need to know every tankbuster aswell
On any tank anyway. To a certain degree on prot war you have such absorption you can handle tank busters without CD. But the whole purpose of tank buster is to use CD so, you need to know when they comes for any tanks 🙂
sharp merlin
I took kirawarriors rout from a stream almost 2 chest my first 14 with it
do you have to pay for it?
mental scarab
Nha i was pausing the video on YouTube and klicked the trash
Maybe I can do one on me phone
bleak scaffold
Try to search on discord here, there might be routes shared, it happens quite often
mental scarab
Give me a min
indigo hawk
Ex: https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/141133634...
This is the Kira road
bleak scaffold
It was just a an example of search result quick :x
sharp merlin
omg he plays without SS
indigo hawk
Yeah like a lot of top pusher because they want to min/max dmg output and they got good teammate (not like use )
indigo hawk
« Pull big plz ! We sleep… Zzz »
- died 3 sec after the big pull from a cast not kicked
bleak scaffold
Hey! you get the same pugs as i get !
sharp merlin
Nah but imagine it in discord vc
complaining and yapping, not letting you actually gather
and then dying cause someone didn't kick despite the tank asking for a kick and knowing that the person had a kick available
mellow bridge
omg he plays without SS
Wdym without SS
bleak scaffold
OMG it's been a while I didnt looked a video of such high keys.
First pull of dawnbreaker, he is not targeting the 1st caster, he's not even considering kicking it.... the DPS does .. this makes me cry a bit 😢
indigo hawk
The fact that at this level, a single cast not kicked is 100% death
indigo hawk
Wdym without SS
He didn’t toke Shield Specialization talent
vital vale
can someone tell me what the hell is up with Rift Claws in 2nd boss Eco? first rift claws take me down to 60% hp and procs my Veteran and fully consumed my IP when it was fully stacked, then the second rift claws does 0 damage to me when i have Shield Wall up and takes my IP down from 100 stacks to 70.
There is no way that the lack of 40% DR of shield wall from the first rift claws made the difference between an attack that would have brought me down to 30% hp to proc veteran, and an attack that couldnt even break my cloak's absorb
also if veteran is meant to also 80% DR the attack the triggered it, it still taking me down to 60% is crazy, and if it isnt, then why did veteran proc in the first place
indigo hawk
Veteran work strangly, I tried to understand it with a lot of logs but couldn’t really understand how it work
vital vale
it was bugged in DF i know, but from what i understood they fixed it
indigo hawk
They fixed a thing, but not everything
vital vale
so is veteran proccing there unintended you think?
dapper venture
It might - most common bug was that it procced based on unmitigated damage before iirc?
So veteran thinks u dropped below 30 when in reality that was damage that u mitigated
strong forum
its supposed to work like wotn
meaning its supposed to work on the part of the damage that would bring you below 35% hp
reducing that damage by 80%
in theory
but theres many fucky things quirks with that calculation
vital vale
yeah thats what i thought, but theres no way it reduced by 80% the attack that brought me down to 60% with full IP
indigo hawk
Yeah in theory but when you look at logs, he don’t
strong forum
it worked on parts of the hit
which let you end up at 60% instead of dead
that would be my presumption
vital vale
if this was midnight it would have procced my last stand too xD
indigo hawk
The thing we know is that the game detected that you would go under 30% hp and reduced X% of that dmg by 80%, but how many is x is not really know
strong forum
yea
effects like wotn also double and triple dip with certain things
causing many many weird interactions
bleak scaffold
Wait, what you are describing is not what it's mention in the talent ...
vital vale
whats wotn
bleak scaffold
The text of the talent is wrong ?
strong forum
will of the necropolish from bdk
vital vale
aha
bleak scaffold
"it's not a bug, it's a feature" ...
strong forum
its not a bug its spaghetti math
indigo hawk
can someone tell me what the hell is up with Rift Claws in 2nd boss Eco? first r...
Why you got IP icon on your SS and TC ?
indigo hawk
Ah ok not bad
vital vale
good bye personal customization in midnight :(
vital vale
yeah true
vital vale
its not like any tank has an interesting rotation anyway
the fun part of tanking is the death balling and stuff, at least to me
strong forum
yeah but REDUCING engagement for tanks
is not gonna go well for me
pwar has been utterly boring since DF
literal autopilot brainrot
vital vale
as long as there will be an obvious different between a good tank and a bad tank, i think tank players will still enjoy the rush. but if you make tanking braindead easy and all you gotta know is the route then its gonna reduce engagement
vital vale
until we have our apex talents and new hero talents revealed, im just gonna assume warrior in general is still on the drawing board for them at blizzard and expect more changes
bleak scaffold
I mean it doesn't really change anything because you are already in god mode ...
vital vale
i legit couldnt feel the difference in tanking between a 15 and a 29 in DF
s2 colossus tho was really fun imo
tier set was fun too in s2
bleak scaffold
Everything is easy when you are good at it 😄
indigo hawk
Colossus was good but the Colossus ability was trash… not moving and casting as mele was meh
And not being able to cancel it
Exept with jump but it’s not really good QoL
vital vale
that was more of an issue as arms, youd get yourself killed with it sometimes
but i didnt mind it as prot tbh
and i could control the mob grouping
so made using it more satisfying
unlike a tank that might move the mobs while im channeling it as arms
lol
indigo hawk
Yeah as arm it was really sad
The ability could be so much better if you could move during it
vital vale
yeah
bleak scaffold
You can parry so it make sense.. or is it ? :x
dapper venture
Heyo can we buy reshi boots with dinars when it drops?
I see they're listed on wowvendor for what can be bought, but without the effect - surely a tooltip error on the website, no?
indigo hawk
Yeah error of the site
I got baited too
But it was at the start of the season, strange wowhead didn’t fixed it yet
bleak scaffold
I love the animation with the big moves of the weapon :x
Demolish S2 was feeling good to play indeed and there was not so many issue with the immobilisation, just need not to do it right as there is a move to do :x
Never happened to me, it was a friend :x
frosty mango
Colossus was ass to play in keys imo
It was great for low keys when you could outskill your dps but playing it at a high level was miserable because of gather
sharp merlin
Unless you had a belt which boosted you 😄
frosty mango
Just bring back titanic throw but remove the damage components and remove the cd
What are we gonna do, spam it? Oh no I’m doing 6000 dps! Quick, nerf me!
Either that or give us aoe revenge
bleak scaffold
like wirlwind ? :x
frosty mango
Or thunderclap?
bleak scaffold
I knew you'd like it 😄
frosty mango
Giving colossus a talent that turns revenge into a 360 skill and renaming it and giving it a cool animation would go a long way to making it feel good to play in keys
Without really changing the play or balance of the spec
Directionality for damage is stupid in 2025
indigo hawk
Warrior really needs aoe heroic throw on the class tree
I dream of that every day… 
solid sun
I just hope everyone continues to have fun
pallid quiver
this is wow, fun banned
indigo hawk
We don’t want fun in life, we want RIO
bleak scaffold
Just go to Brazil ? :x
indigo hawk
Ok you got me ahah
bleak scaffold
Fun and RIO are not easy to combine indeed, you can have fun though, try to play none META class/spec but ones you find actually fun and play with people can tchittchat along the way you'll see
pallid quiver
he hates the city of rio
solid sun
Why do you hate the city of Rio
bleak scaffold
I better call a lawyer
dusky canopy
indigo hawk
Yeah, moutain can be a bit boring
I really like the visual and sound effect, they did a great job here but the rotation…
solid sun
I like both
lusty grotto
top o' the morning to ya
jagged pier
solid sun
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
lusty grotto
indigo hawk
It’s just because we like it. I did very too much Excel on Garen in LoL with big theorycrafting when I could just tourbillol and do exactly the same
lusty grotto
its a copy pasta, dont take it seriously
indigo hawk
Ah
blazing shuttle
It’s just because we like it. I did very too much Excel on Garen in LoL with big...
Tourbilol
Fellow French detected?
indigo hawk
Tourbilol
Fellow French detected?
🥖
bleak scaffold
undone beacon
solid sun
It’s bring your daughter to work day
bleak scaffold
"being your daughter" ?
solid sun
So I’m getting a sick song about how Halloween is a great holiday
bleak scaffold
So you are just scrolling tiktok all day ?
solid sun
Bring
bleak scaffold
😉
bleak scaffold
So what's is so great about Halloween ? teach us poor european peasant we are :x we don't have bring your daughter to work day either (thanksfully)
Only candy gets me sick on halloween ...
solid sun
She just thinks people trying to scare her is funny
Unless it’s too scary and then it isn’t funny at all
It has to be just the right amount of scary
bleak scaffold
that make sense, i guess
zenith elbow
Dumb question, can prot and fury use the same gear other than weapon/shield?
lusty grotto
as long as it has haste, sure
zenith elbow
Seems like stat priority is the same unless I misread it.
lusty grotto
we're not mastery heavy
or vers heavy
haste > crit
but you'll be fine with haste/mastery
zenith elbow
Thanks 🙂
Just wondered if I needed to roll an additional character or stick with one and ezmode it. 😄
solid sun
My fury warrior attempt did less overall damage in a 12 streets than my pwar did in a 12 ED
urban portal
hmm
zenith elbow
I really thought I was gaming too
And was that separate character?
zenith elbow
Brand to Sac? Sorry, I am very new to prot warrioring.
solid sun
Brand is a tank trinket off demon hunters
lusty grotto
My fury warrior attempt did less overall damage in a 12 streets than my pwar did...
did you do what i tell you
always have a bladestorm for every pull
you need all targets with overwhelmed
solid sun
No your advice came after my attempt
lusty grotto
oh
undone beacon
I really thought I was gaming too
you were gaming, just not gaming hard enough
lusty grotto
ye baby steps
undone beacon
He graciously went fury so I didnt have to sandbag as boomkin
Im gods worst boomkin
bleak scaffold
Problem with Fury is you need 2 2H ...
lusty grotto
fury has few abilities, but there's some nuance on how to play it
slayer especially
bleak scaffold
I tried 1 710 and 1 691 on mannequin, I'm sure I wasn't great, not sure how much the weapons affect it
frosty mango
Eventually arms will get buffed
And when it does, I’ll be a god
So much muscle memory
undone beacon
I play arms in keys because I dislike fury
Simple as
I mean I'd rather play prot in keys but when i must
mellow bridge
I tried 1 710 and 1 691 on mannequin, I'm sure I wasn't great, not sure how much...
MH big impact, OH low as always
frosty mango
I play arms in keys because I have to fish for brand in my vault 15 years into the season
Allowing loot spec rolls in raid is dumb
Losing a trinket to gray parsing offspec people for months on end is infuriating
Getting two mythic 2 handers is misery
bleak scaffold
MH big impact, OH low as always
Ok, dully noted .. getting back to my corner :x
bleak scaffold
Losing a trinket to gray parsing offspec people for months on end is infuriating
At least being activ on role and same loot spec should have priority
Or no effect at all since you can roll cupid on everything that is playable by any spec of your char
zenith elbow
@lusty grotto ,
These are my stats as of now, on my fury
zenith elbow
Okay lol 😄 No worries.
lusty grotto
just slap a shield and a 1hander and go tank dungeons
zenith elbow
Yessir 🙂
lusty grotto
and if youre under 21k haste, then swap into the fray (talent Heavy Repercussions with under 21k haste)
thats it
bleak scaffold
activate your prot spec talent too
zenith elbow
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
bleak scaffold
You might not DPS as much but you'll be fine !
zenith elbow
Appreciate the advice! 🙂
zenith elbow
Ha! This is all a process to figure out what'll be more fun to go in to Midnight with.
bleak scaffold
Difficult to say with all the changes
plush tendon
quick question, if I upgrade a 2h wep to upgrade a 1h wep is free right?
does that also include shield or no
plush tendon
cool
just planning out my crest spends tommorrow
ill have 3 toons hitting 720
so I can game it so my War gets 10 gilded upgrades across the board
scarlet copper
could I get some advice on this route? I want to try going mid in the last room and this is how I see it happening
bleak scaffold
I'm not sure about the 2 groups of flying critter in the last room, I know for sure 1 you can aggro on boss, and since they drop blood and jump on others it can be messy if you don't have awake players with you. If the % is good this way then that 's fine 🙂 I'm going middle, then boss, then a last pack on the side lately, because i'm going right before second boss so I have less %
undone beacon
Avoiding 2nd set of flyers is a pain in the ass, I would just route them in
More likely they'll be pulled and you'll go over %
plush tendon
could I get some advice on this route? I want to try going mid in the last room ...
what key level is this for?
scarlet copper
what key level is this for?
ideally 15 and higher
also for pull 1 I'll likely chain in the second caster
plush tendon
this is how i do it
you cc the far attendent in pull 1
you dont do him
pull 6 is full focus on Bloodguard; once dead you pull into the scarab
pull 7 is also a chain; try to keep it to 1 caster at most with bloodguard and try not to fight bloodguard and scarab at same time
same with pull 8; kill scarab+casters then chain into the two scarab+webmage
you can go through the hut and leap in the boss room to skip the bloodguard pull; you start boss, face him away from where you came from to bait first frontal and your group will be pulled in
scarlet copper
interesting okay
nocturne spindle
one min
plush tendon
last room is pretty straightforward; watch stacks (hopfully healer dispells at high stacks) and you need 1 range kick per caster
nocturne spindle
you can pull more stuff in the beginning for free
and clear up %
let me get my route
if you truly wanted to go middle and do the skip
i would do this
7-11 are all chains but
thats kinda how you grab them
plush tendon
double attendent at the start seems like a bad time
nocturne spindle
they die fast
you always CC one dk grip it after ones dead
but its still in that pull
nocturne spindle
yea it works fine
plush tendon
cool beans
though Im not sure if its saves me much time in my route
since we dont pull that second attendent from first pull
I still gotta do a pull after boss
(I also dont go down center)
I could be a mad lad and do this
bleak scaffold
Center in the last room is easy, you nuke the big one (bloodguard ?) and then the 2 casters are ez
plush tendon
that pull 10 is spicey
bleak scaffold
It also depends on your group, if your route relies on DK grab and you don't have one then it's difficult.
plush tendon
its about speed tbh
a bloodguard is worth 6 little dudes
pull 12 and 13 are worth the same
bleak scaffold
Yes it could be quicker on 12 you are correct 🙂
I have bad experiences right/left on this with dispells so ..
pug life ^^
plush tendon
this is for 15+
well for me Im looking to do a 18 of this place; but the poster is looking for 15+
bleak scaffold
I timed it in 20min (+10 key) via middle instead of 11 and then going 12 after the boss. I had crazy DPS this time ...
a DK at 7.5M overall it played a good role in that lol
plush tendon
DK just pressing his buttons
idk, 7.5 is kind of low in a 17
this just live longer
bleak scaffold
if you ramp up to +17 with your route I guess +15 will be fine for timing 🙂
plush tendon
Ive already done a 17
IDC about a 15 tbh
legit just W through the place
if the middle pull is doable, it would be interesting (takes a lot of stress off me 100%)
but I think the swarm+the bats attacking dps will kill someone
and thats rip
bleak scaffold
I do the flying thing and the workers up the staris with the first caster. Then move downstairs to get the trio only
it was just according to his plan to go middle 🙂
I don't know for the clock though, if it's quicker to go side ways then it's better at this level indeed 🙂
plush tendon
its probably fine in a 15; idk, Im like 95% sure most groups are not doing middle
I could be wrong
but I think speed+healer stress is prob why they wouldnt
bleak scaffold
You have options now Varyk 😄